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"content": "\u003cp>On June 7, San Franciscans will decide whether District Attorney Chesa Boudin gets to keep his job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the campaigns for and against his recall in full swing, Boudin joined Senior Politics Editor Scott Shafer and Politics Correspondent Marisa Lagos, hosts of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/podcasts/politicalbreakdown\">KQED’s Political Breakdown\u003c/a>, at The Commons, KQED’s new live event space, on Tuesday evening to field questions about his record as the city’s top prosecutor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It can sometimes seem like Boudin’s opponents have laid every criminal ill in San Francisco at his feet: Recent TV attack ads pillory him for allegedly lax prosecutions of drug dealers in the Tenderloin, \u003ca href=\"https://48hills.org/2022/04/two-misleading-anti-boudin-ads-are-going-to-hit-local-tv-this-week/\">and claim he dissolved a unit in his office that focused on prosecuting car break-ins\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout Tuesday’s event, Boudin pushed back against his critics, accusing them of oversimplifying and generally misrepresenting the issues. Prosecutions of car break-ins, for instance, require broader, multiagency cooperation, he said, as they’re often perpetrated by organized criminal networks. Boudin also faulted the city’s police — who are among his top critics — for consistently low arrest rates in these incidents. And he asserted that drug treatment is far more effective at addressing the crisis in the Tenderloin than are the mass arrests \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11899060/vowing-to-end-reign-of-criminals-destroying-our-city-sf-mayor-breed-announces-latest-tenderloin-crackdown\">his critics have called for\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Watch the whole KQED interview with San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://youtu.be/IGSdY5TuJlM?t=919\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As Boudin defended his tenure and touted criminal justice reform more broadly, a small group of protesters outside the event chanted for his ouster.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Steven Lee, 73, who called himself a lifelong San Franciscan, stood outside KQED’s doors, hoisting a sign that read “RECALL CHESA BOUDIN NOW.” He said that he and many others in the city’s Chinese community simply don’t feel safe with Boudin as DA, amid an uptick in violent incidents against them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Boudin told Shafer and Lagos that his office has taken strides to help the Asian American and Pacific Islander community, from hiring more language-proficient staff to helping “expand services specifically for Asian American crime victims.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11913118\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11913118\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa6-scaled.jpeg\" alt='A long view of a large lobby through the windows to the sidewalk, where about 20 protesters stand with \"RECALL CHESA BOUDIN\" signs in yellow.' width=\"2560\" height=\"1703\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters outside a KQED Live event with SF DA Chesa Boudin at KQED headquarters in San Francisco on May 3, 2022. \u003ccite>(Alain McLaughlin/Special to KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lee, who lives in the Inner Richmond neighborhood and regularly patrols Chinatown to help protect other Asian seniors, said Boudin’s efforts haven’t made him feel any safer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s just lip service,” he said. “If you want to protect Asians, you do something that’s in line with your job, which is to prosecute, vigorously, the perpetrators who are committing the attacks. By saying, ‘Well, we care about victims’ — are we supposed to be impressed by that? Is the Asian community supposed to be impressed by that?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The following excerpts from Boudin’s KQED interview have been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On SFPD not making enough arrests\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>An oft-made complaint against Boudin is that he fails to charge suspects, or under-charges them, allowing people who should be serving time in prison to reoffend. In response, Boudin on Tuesday pointed to what he called the shortcomings of the city’s police force in making enough arrests to begin with.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s a need for the police department to do their job so we can do ours. Let’s take auto burglaries, an issue that we know has plagued the city for at least a decade. Thirty-one thousand auto burglaries were reported in 2017. That was the year they hit peak. We probably had double that number because a lot weren’t reported back then either.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"chesa-boudin\"]Today, police are solving about 1% of reported auto burglaries. We’re either filing new criminal charges or taking some other action to hold people accountable in about 90% of the cases police bring us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But there’s a problem. I don’t care whether you believe in the death penalty or restorative justice, anything in the middle. We can’t hold people accountable using any approach if police don’t make arrests and if you’re only making arrests in 1% of reported auto burglaries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No wonder some people think they can get away with crimes. It has nothing to do with my policies, has nothing to do with what we’re doing in the courts, or are not doing in the courts. If you commit auto burglary in San Francisco, there is a 99% chance, even if it gets reported, that the police will not arrest you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chief [Bill] Scott, in front of the Police Commission a couple of weeks ago, was asked about this, was asked about why clearance rates, the rate at which police are solving crimes that are reported, has declined by about 60% over the last 10 years. They asked about auto burglaries and property crimes. He says most of the time there’s zero follow-up investigation. That’s a problem that’s way upstream. And whoever the district attorney is today, tomorrow, 10 years from now, we can’t solve that problem if police aren’t figuring out how to make arrests.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On how the ‘Great Resignation’ has hit the DA’s office\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>When Boudin first took office, he fired at least seven attorneys. Two other attorneys, who quit, have since \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/She-s-a-progressive-homicide-prosecutor-who-16556274.php\">joined the effort to recall him\u003c/a>. All told, some 40% of deputy district attorneys have left since Boudin took office. Boudin also has come under fire for hiring former public defenders, whom critics claim are inexperienced at criminal prosecution. Boudin on Tuesday sought to recontextualize that turnover.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The other thing that’s important to remember is the recall wants you to focus on a handful of people I hired who are former defense attorneys. What they’re not talking about is the more than a dozen people we’ve hired who are former prosecutors, many of them former prosecutors from within the San Francisco District Attorney’s Office. People who left under prior administrations saw the work that I was doing, saw the leadership of our office team, and wanted to come back and be part of that team. We’ve recruited people back to the office who had left.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11913121\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11913121\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa3-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"A closeup of Chesa Boudin, seated in a red chair, speaking.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1703\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SF DA Chesa Boudin speaking at a KQED Live event on May 3, 2022. \u003ccite>(Alain McLaughlin/Special to KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>And here’s the other thing that’s important: All across the state, all across the country, there’s a phenomenon known as “the Great Resignation.” I just saw a news report on TV this morning that said 47 million people across this country quit their job in 2021, the most on record in any year in American history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re trying to focus on our office for political reasons. Every single district attorney in the state of California right now is having a hard time retaining their staff. When I talk to other elected DAs, some of them, 20 to 30% of their attorney positions are vacant. They can’t hire people. We have people banging down the door to come work for us.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On measuring success\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Traditionally, prosecutors have pointed to conviction rates as a measure of their success in office. But Boudin, who is among a growing group of progressive prosecutors across the country, has emphasized the need to prioritize rehabilitation over incarceration for many people ensnared in the criminal justice system. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conviction rates incentivize individual prosecutors, and prosecutors’ offices, to cut corners, and cutting corners can lead to wrongful convictions. It can lead to withholding evidence. One of the things that I committed to doing in 2019 — we measure success in part based on following through on the commitments that we made to voters — I committed to create a model, independent Innocence Commission. And I did that, led by a professor, a retired judge, forensic experts.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin\"]‘I know that we all get second chances in life. All of us do. And we need them. And I believe in them. I also know that we have to take responsibility for the mistakes that we made.’[/pullquote]And just a couple weeks ago, they identified a man who had been\u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/We-made-it-S-F-man-walks-free-three-17110780.php\"> wrongfully convicted of a murder\u003c/a>, served 32 years in state prison for a murder he did not commit. And a judge in San Francisco reversed that conviction. That’s doing justice not only going forward, but also looking backwards.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We measure success based on the extent to which we can implement policies and practices that are ethical, that are evidence-based, and that make San Francisco safer. I’m particularly interested in more effective ways to hold people accountable and increasing investment in services for victims of crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recidivism, for example, is usually measured in increments that are longer than I’ve been in office. That’s another part of the problem with the recall, right? It’s not about good policy. It’s about politics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re not interested in a conversation about what would actually make us safer. Nobody who’s supporting this recall is looking at evidence-based practices or talking to criminologists. They’re promoting fear. And they’re using the kinds of tragedies that occur in every jurisdiction in this country to undermine policies that are grounded in racial justice, evidence and public safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On protecting the Chinese community\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>With an uptick in hate crimes against members of the Asian American and Pacific Islander community — both locally and nationwide — some pro-recall advocates are claiming Boudin hasn’t sought appropriate charges against suspects accused of such attacks. Earlier this year, one victim’s family \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/asian-american-advocacy-group-plans-to-file-lawsuit-against-san-francisco-das-office/2788636/\">sued Boudin’s office, claiming the DA should have charged the incident as a hate crime\u003c/a>. \u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Boudin on Tuesday pushed back, doubling down on his commitment to the AAPI community.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I am really proud of my record when it comes to crimes against Asian Americans. I have personally gone to the hospital to visit Asian American victims of violent crime. I’ve personally gone to court and argued to detain people who’ve committed violent crimes because I don’t think it’s safe for some of them to be released from custody. And we have a dedicated hate crime specialist in our office who doesn’t only handle hate crimes — every single hate crime that comes into the office — but also is a point of contact with other district attorney offices around the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And through that partnership and that liaison, we’ve been able to file hate crimes in cases that were presented to us by police as a simple assault, because we’ve made the connection, we’ve seen a pattern of behavior, we’ve cooperated and collaborated with other law enforcement agencies. And we’ve been able to do the job the community wants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And look, the leadership in Chinatown, the leadership in the Chinese and Asian American community in San Francisco, they see the work we’re doing, the partnerships we’re forging, the ways in which we are expanding resources for victims of crime, the ways in which we’re increasing accountability for people who cause harm in the community. And you look at who’s opposing this recall in the Asian American community, the Chinese leadership. I am proud to stand with every current and former recently elected Chinese American: former president of the Board of Supervisors Norman Yee, Mabel Teng, Phil Ting, Gordon Mar, Eric Mar, and Sandra Lee Fewer. The Rose Pak Democratic Club. We could go on and on. Folks who see the work that we’re doing every day, who understand the challenges that we face, are saying to voters, reject this recall, vote no on Proposition H.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On the influence of his mom\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11913131\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11913131 size-full\" style=\"background-color: transparent;color: #767676;font-size: 16px\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7.jpg\" alt=\"Three people, Chesa Boudin, Scott Shafer, Marisa Lagos, sit in red chairs on a hardwood stage with the silhouette of a seated audience visible in the foreground.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1277\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-800x532.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-1020x678.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-1536x1022.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin speaking with KQED’s Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer at a KQED Live event on May 3, 2022. On the screen behind them is a photo of Boudin as a young boy with his mother, whom he calls an inspiration for his work. \u003ccite>(Alain McLaughlin/Special to KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kathy Boudin, Chesa Boudin’s mother, who was formerly a member of the leftist radical group The Weather Underground, died Sunday after a years-long fight with cancer. She and Boudin’s father both served decades in prison for their involvement in a 1981 New York robbery, in which three people were killed.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Boudin on Tuesday spoke about his mom’s influence on his life, his work, and his view of the criminal justice system. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don’t remember being 14 months old and them leaving me at the babysitter and never coming back. I don’t remember them getting arrested, or even when the judge sentenced my mother to 20 years to life, and my father 75 years to life. My first memories are waiting in lines at prison gates to go through metal detectors just to be able to give my parents a hug.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And even before I understood what the law was or how the criminal justice system worked or what mass incarceration was, I noticed as a child that the lines at those prisons were almost all women and children of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It affected me because I saw and lived firsthand the failures of this country’s approach to crime and public safety. I saw that we built the system of mass incarceration. We led the world in locking people up. And it wasn’t making us safer. We weren’t rehabilitating people who had committed crimes. We weren’t meaningfully supporting victims of crime. And it was bankrupting local governments, starving our communities of the resources needed to invest in education and housing and mental health or drug treatment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I know that we all get second chances in life. All of us do. And we need them. And I believe in them. I also know that we have to take responsibility for the mistakes that we made. I watched my parents. My mother pled guilty to a crime that she committed, and she served a very serious sentence as a result. She expressed remorse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She lived her life in a way that exemplifies redemption. While she was in prison, she did lifesaving work around HIV/AIDS during the height of the pandemic. She taught literacy and parenting classes to other incarcerated women.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I grew up watching someone who had done a terrible thing that had cost lives, that had destroyed families and ripped a community apart. And I watched the ways in which she reinvented herself to try and make good for all the people around her. I believe that we are all more than our worst mistake. I know because I’ve seen it — that human beings have a capacity to change, and that’s a critical thing we cannot forget when we do this work, any work.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Today, police are solving about 1% of reported auto burglaries. We’re either filing new criminal charges or taking some other action to hold people accountable in about 90% of the cases police bring us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But there’s a problem. I don’t care whether you believe in the death penalty or restorative justice, anything in the middle. We can’t hold people accountable using any approach if police don’t make arrests and if you’re only making arrests in 1% of reported auto burglaries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No wonder some people think they can get away with crimes. It has nothing to do with my policies, has nothing to do with what we’re doing in the courts, or are not doing in the courts. If you commit auto burglary in San Francisco, there is a 99% chance, even if it gets reported, that the police will not arrest you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chief [Bill] Scott, in front of the Police Commission a couple of weeks ago, was asked about this, was asked about why clearance rates, the rate at which police are solving crimes that are reported, has declined by about 60% over the last 10 years. They asked about auto burglaries and property crimes. He says most of the time there’s zero follow-up investigation. That’s a problem that’s way upstream. And whoever the district attorney is today, tomorrow, 10 years from now, we can’t solve that problem if police aren’t figuring out how to make arrests.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On how the ‘Great Resignation’ has hit the DA’s office\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>When Boudin first took office, he fired at least seven attorneys. Two other attorneys, who quit, have since \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/She-s-a-progressive-homicide-prosecutor-who-16556274.php\">joined the effort to recall him\u003c/a>. All told, some 40% of deputy district attorneys have left since Boudin took office. Boudin also has come under fire for hiring former public defenders, whom critics claim are inexperienced at criminal prosecution. Boudin on Tuesday sought to recontextualize that turnover.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The other thing that’s important to remember is the recall wants you to focus on a handful of people I hired who are former defense attorneys. What they’re not talking about is the more than a dozen people we’ve hired who are former prosecutors, many of them former prosecutors from within the San Francisco District Attorney’s Office. People who left under prior administrations saw the work that I was doing, saw the leadership of our office team, and wanted to come back and be part of that team. We’ve recruited people back to the office who had left.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11913121\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11913121\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa3-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"A closeup of Chesa Boudin, seated in a red chair, speaking.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1703\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SF DA Chesa Boudin speaking at a KQED Live event on May 3, 2022. \u003ccite>(Alain McLaughlin/Special to KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>And here’s the other thing that’s important: All across the state, all across the country, there’s a phenomenon known as “the Great Resignation.” I just saw a news report on TV this morning that said 47 million people across this country quit their job in 2021, the most on record in any year in American history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re trying to focus on our office for political reasons. Every single district attorney in the state of California right now is having a hard time retaining their staff. When I talk to other elected DAs, some of them, 20 to 30% of their attorney positions are vacant. They can’t hire people. We have people banging down the door to come work for us.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On measuring success\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Traditionally, prosecutors have pointed to conviction rates as a measure of their success in office. But Boudin, who is among a growing group of progressive prosecutors across the country, has emphasized the need to prioritize rehabilitation over incarceration for many people ensnared in the criminal justice system. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conviction rates incentivize individual prosecutors, and prosecutors’ offices, to cut corners, and cutting corners can lead to wrongful convictions. It can lead to withholding evidence. One of the things that I committed to doing in 2019 — we measure success in part based on following through on the commitments that we made to voters — I committed to create a model, independent Innocence Commission. And I did that, led by a professor, a retired judge, forensic experts.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>And just a couple weeks ago, they identified a man who had been\u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/We-made-it-S-F-man-walks-free-three-17110780.php\"> wrongfully convicted of a murder\u003c/a>, served 32 years in state prison for a murder he did not commit. And a judge in San Francisco reversed that conviction. That’s doing justice not only going forward, but also looking backwards.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We measure success based on the extent to which we can implement policies and practices that are ethical, that are evidence-based, and that make San Francisco safer. I’m particularly interested in more effective ways to hold people accountable and increasing investment in services for victims of crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recidivism, for example, is usually measured in increments that are longer than I’ve been in office. That’s another part of the problem with the recall, right? It’s not about good policy. It’s about politics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re not interested in a conversation about what would actually make us safer. Nobody who’s supporting this recall is looking at evidence-based practices or talking to criminologists. They’re promoting fear. And they’re using the kinds of tragedies that occur in every jurisdiction in this country to undermine policies that are grounded in racial justice, evidence and public safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On protecting the Chinese community\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>With an uptick in hate crimes against members of the Asian American and Pacific Islander community — both locally and nationwide — some pro-recall advocates are claiming Boudin hasn’t sought appropriate charges against suspects accused of such attacks. Earlier this year, one victim’s family \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/asian-american-advocacy-group-plans-to-file-lawsuit-against-san-francisco-das-office/2788636/\">sued Boudin’s office, claiming the DA should have charged the incident as a hate crime\u003c/a>. \u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Boudin on Tuesday pushed back, doubling down on his commitment to the AAPI community.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I am really proud of my record when it comes to crimes against Asian Americans. I have personally gone to the hospital to visit Asian American victims of violent crime. I’ve personally gone to court and argued to detain people who’ve committed violent crimes because I don’t think it’s safe for some of them to be released from custody. And we have a dedicated hate crime specialist in our office who doesn’t only handle hate crimes — every single hate crime that comes into the office — but also is a point of contact with other district attorney offices around the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And through that partnership and that liaison, we’ve been able to file hate crimes in cases that were presented to us by police as a simple assault, because we’ve made the connection, we’ve seen a pattern of behavior, we’ve cooperated and collaborated with other law enforcement agencies. And we’ve been able to do the job the community wants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And look, the leadership in Chinatown, the leadership in the Chinese and Asian American community in San Francisco, they see the work we’re doing, the partnerships we’re forging, the ways in which we are expanding resources for victims of crime, the ways in which we’re increasing accountability for people who cause harm in the community. And you look at who’s opposing this recall in the Asian American community, the Chinese leadership. I am proud to stand with every current and former recently elected Chinese American: former president of the Board of Supervisors Norman Yee, Mabel Teng, Phil Ting, Gordon Mar, Eric Mar, and Sandra Lee Fewer. The Rose Pak Democratic Club. We could go on and on. Folks who see the work that we’re doing every day, who understand the challenges that we face, are saying to voters, reject this recall, vote no on Proposition H.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On the influence of his mom\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11913131\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11913131 size-full\" style=\"background-color: transparent;color: #767676;font-size: 16px\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7.jpg\" alt=\"Three people, Chesa Boudin, Scott Shafer, Marisa Lagos, sit in red chairs on a hardwood stage with the silhouette of a seated audience visible in the foreground.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1277\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-800x532.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-1020x678.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/Chesa7-1536x1022.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin speaking with KQED’s Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer at a KQED Live event on May 3, 2022. On the screen behind them is a photo of Boudin as a young boy with his mother, whom he calls an inspiration for his work. \u003ccite>(Alain McLaughlin/Special to KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kathy Boudin, Chesa Boudin’s mother, who was formerly a member of the leftist radical group The Weather Underground, died Sunday after a years-long fight with cancer. She and Boudin’s father both served decades in prison for their involvement in a 1981 New York robbery, in which three people were killed.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Boudin on Tuesday spoke about his mom’s influence on his life, his work, and his view of the criminal justice system. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don’t remember being 14 months old and them leaving me at the babysitter and never coming back. I don’t remember them getting arrested, or even when the judge sentenced my mother to 20 years to life, and my father 75 years to life. My first memories are waiting in lines at prison gates to go through metal detectors just to be able to give my parents a hug.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And even before I understood what the law was or how the criminal justice system worked or what mass incarceration was, I noticed as a child that the lines at those prisons were almost all women and children of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It affected me because I saw and lived firsthand the failures of this country’s approach to crime and public safety. I saw that we built the system of mass incarceration. We led the world in locking people up. And it wasn’t making us safer. We weren’t rehabilitating people who had committed crimes. We weren’t meaningfully supporting victims of crime. And it was bankrupting local governments, starving our communities of the resources needed to invest in education and housing and mental health or drug treatment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I know that we all get second chances in life. All of us do. And we need them. And I believe in them. I also know that we have to take responsibility for the mistakes that we made. I watched my parents. My mother pled guilty to a crime that she committed, and she served a very serious sentence as a result. She expressed remorse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She lived her life in a way that exemplifies redemption. While she was in prison, she did lifesaving work around HIV/AIDS during the height of the pandemic. She taught literacy and parenting classes to other incarcerated women.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Those living on the east side of San Francisco already are casting their ballots to elect a new Assemblymember to replace David Chiu, who became the new city attorney. The choice can be a tough one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Candidates David Campos and Matt Haney both have cast themselves as progressive Democrats \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11908113/despite-heated-campaign-campos-and-haney-aligned-on-key-legislation\">and support similar measures statewide\u003c/a>. Both enjoyed progressive support during their time on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. Both tout their records on addressing homelessness and on building affordable housing.[aside postID=\"news_11908113\" hero='https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/campos-haney3-1020x661.jpg']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For a voter, finding the distinctions between the candidates can be like divining the differences between brands of laundry detergent — aren’t they all basically the same?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED’s\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/scottshafer\"> Scott Shafer\u003c/a>, filling in for host \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/pclemens\">Priya David Clemens\u003c/a>, brought the Assembly candidates to last Friday’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/kqednewsroom\">KQED Newsroom\u003c/a> to help dig into their records. Campos addressed his controversial Mission moratorium effort to halt all housing construction in the Mission District, and Haney answered calls that he doesn’t roll up his sleeves and burn the midnight oil as a legislator.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both candidates also touted their own leadership styles and how they would pass difficult statewide legislation that has failed previously, including statewide single-payer health care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Time is short for voters — the last day to vote in this runoff election is April 19, and ballots already are hitting mailboxes. Neither candidate garnered enough votes in a February election to become the clear choice, but this runoff election will decide who goes to Sacramento to represent San Francisco in the Assembly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This conversation has been edited for length and clarity. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SCOTT SHAFER: \u003c/b>\u003cstrong>I think in many ways on many issues, the two of you agree there are different shades of where you land on single-payer. You both support it. But let’s talk about that. There was a bill, AB 1400, by Assemblymember Ash Kalra down in the South Bay \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11903440/single-payer-health-care-faces-uphill-battle-in-state-legislature\">to move forward with single-payer health care\u003c/a>. It didn’t even come up for a vote in the committee that it was in.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Would you, if you had been on that committee or if that had been your bill, would you have forced a vote? Would you have forced the members to vote even though you knew you didn’t have the votes? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>CAMPOS\u003c/strong>: Let me say I respect [Assemblymember] Ash Kalra, I think that he should be commended for the work that he has done, but I respectfully and strongly disagree with his decision to not have a vote. And I think that illustrates the problem, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That in some respects, that decision was driven by the fact that maybe they didn’t want to put their colleagues on the spot, the very colleagues that promised to their constituents that they would vote for Medicare for All. You have politicians running for office that say the right things, but take money from the people that are against the very things they’re promising. And when they get elected, you know what happens? They vote for their pockets, not for the people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/Ash_Kalra/status/1488327145113874436\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SHAFER: \u003c/b>\u003cstrong>So if you were to go up to Sacramento, Matt, are you saying, “I’ll get it done, I will get single-payer done”? And how? Why you? This has been voted on up in Sacramento for about 20 years. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>HANEY\u003c/b>: Well, Ash Kalra is the author of the bill, he’s been the biggest champion for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11902591/why-do-so-many-doctors-oppose-single-payer-health-care\">Medicare for All\u003c/a>, and he’s given me his sole endorsement. He believes that I can go up and support him and make sure we get it done next time. I also have the support of the California Nurses Association, who sponsored the bill. And so the reality is that we need to build a broad-based movement all up and down our state and take on the big interests and get this done. We need single-payer. The reality is, we cannot rely on a health care system that relies on profit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We can build the coalition that can actually move this. And that’s why the author of the bill wants me up there as his partner to actually get this done next time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SHAFER:\u003c/b>\u003cstrong>\u003cem> \u003c/em>I want to ask you both to address what critics say about you, and we’ll start with you, David. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You know, a lot of people say, you know, smart guy, good guy. Too ideological, not practical enough, alienates people by not compromising enough. They mentioned single-payer, blaming Sacramento politicians for not getting it passed. Those are the people you’re going to have to work with if you go up there. So how do you address that criticism that you’re more interested in the ideology of things than the practical side of how things work? \u003c/strong>[aside postID=\"news_11909759\" hero='https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/03/camposhaney-3-1020x661.jpg']\u003cb>CAMPOS\u003c/b>: Well, I address it by pointing to the things that I accomplished in San Francisco, not only closing the loophole to, meant to make health care universal in San Francisco, but \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/green-public-power-for-san-francisco-clears-major-hurdle/\">passing CleanPowerSF, 100% renewable energy\u003c/a>, passing the legacy business program, protecting our sanctuary policy, things that require supermajorities of the Legislature here in the city that passed because of me. I think the reason why someone like Toni Atkins, who is the president pro tem of the state Senate, is supporting me, is because she has seen my ability to bring people together. The fact that you try to be collegial and work with people doesn’t mean that you stand, that you don’t stand on principle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SHAFER: \u003c/b>\u003cstrong>Matt Haney, critics of you might say that you’re more of a show horse. Not so much of a workhorse, as David Campos points out. I don’t know if any of your colleagues on the Board of Supervisors are endorsing you. Six are endorsing him. You’re quick to put out a press release, quick to go to a press conference. Maybe not so quick to roll up your sleeves and get hard work done. What’s your response to that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>HANEY\u003c/b>: Well, you know, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11909759/haney-campos-laws\">there’s been analyses of this even done by KQED\u003c/a> that show that I authored and passed more legislation than all but one of my colleagues. I’ve been very effective on the Board of Supervisors in delivering. Passed some of the biggest, most landmark policies over the last number of years, including co-authoring Mental Health [Association of] SF guaranteeing a right to mental health care in our city, building more housing in my district by far than any other, delivering the big and the small things. Creating a new Department of Sanitation, bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars in new funding for affordable housing. These are results. I represent a very tough district and I have delivered on these big issues. And the reality is I have the support of three of my colleagues plus me. So I have four and he has six. So it’s not that big of a difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SHAFER:\u003c/b>\u003cstrong> Let’s move to another issue. A big one for this district is rent, rent control, renters’ rights. Just yesterday, the Legislature passed a bill that would extend renter protections through June 30. It was going to expire today for those who had already applied for rent help. But it also undermined local moratoriums on evictions in San Francisco and in Los Angeles. [State Senator] Scott Wiener and [Assemblymember] Phil Ting, two of the representatives from San Francisco, both voted against it. They were two of the very few. How would you have voted on that bill?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1508553969777328135\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAMPOS\u003c/b>: I would have followed the lead of these two representatives. I think Scott Wiener and Phil Ting are right. I think that we need to protect renters. And I think the reason why Phil Ting is endorsing me in this campaign is because he knows my commitment. And to renters in this race, there is a very clear choice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SHAFER:\u003c/b> \u003cstrong>Matt, I know you’re backed by the YIMBYs [Yes in My Backyard], you’re backed by the builders as well, some of those unions. But how would you have voted on that bill? \u003cb data-stringify-type=\"bold\">Would you have done what David just said [you would do] and just not voted no?\u003c/b>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>HANEY\u003c/b>: I would not have supported that. I would have voted no. I’m the only renter in this race. If you look at Sacramento and you look at representation, about half of households in California, more than half in San Francisco are renters. Yet less than 2%, there are only two out of 120 of our legislators are renters. I would be the third. I live in rent-controlled housing. I’ve defended people in court who are facing evictions. I’ve been a strong champion for and passed just-cause eviction protections for renters here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAMPOS\u003c/b>: Well, the reality is that if you look at Supervisor Haney’s record, it has changed. You know, the amount Haney of a year ago had, that record had all these pro-tenant organizations supporting him. We supported him for supervisor. And what happened is that the moment he decided to run for Assembly, those positions change. He became the person who ran against a YIMBY candidate to now becoming the NIMBY candidate. And what changed, quite frankly, and the voters can decide for themselves, a lot of money has been going to his campaign. Hundreds of thousands of dollars from realtors, from developers, and that position has changed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>HANEY\u003c/b>: I’ve been a tenant champion my entire career, defended people in court. I’ve done that repeatedly. I fought for tenants’ rights and delivered. We extended eviction protections. I authored the law to every tenant in San Francisco and my position on tenants’ rights has not changed. I’ve been consistent. I’ve also been consistently pro-housing, building more housing in my district than any other, including a lot more affordable and supportive housing. And that’s a big reason why I’m running. He’s been against housing, so yes, his position has been consistent. It’s been consistent against housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SHAFER: \u003c/b>\u003cstrong>Let me just ask a specific question about that, because when you [David Campos] were on the Board of Supervisors, you promoted \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/10736006/s-f-proposition-i-missions-future-central-issue-in-moratorium-vote\">a moratorium on building in the Mission District\u003c/a>, one of the neighborhoods you represented. And that was a time we needed more housing. So looking back on that, was that the right thing to do?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAMPOS\u003c/b>: Well, as I’ve indicated, you know, I supported that in response to community concerns for the same reason, by the way, then-Supervisor London Breed at the time supported it. And it’s interesting because, again, I’ve said no. That I’ve learned from that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But what’s interesting here, right, is that Supervisor Haney is attacking me for that very position, even though he himself took that position. But I want to be very clear about housing. The fact that I have said that I am for affordable housing does not make me anti-housing. What the YIMBYs want is to simply give a blank check to developers and to let them build whatever they want. And those of us who want to keep working people and middle-income people in San Francisco are simply saying, yes, we should build all kinds of housing, but we must build housing that is actually affordable for the teachers, for the people who clean our houses, who work at our coffee shops. That’s what I believe. Being for affordable housing, being against simply giving developers a blank check, it’s not against housing, it’s pro-affordable housing. 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