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So it is interesting and like kind of ironic that the county has been at the center of this animal welfare debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:26] \u003c/em>This story in particular is really centered around this activist named Zoe Rosenberg. Tell me a little bit more about Zoe and and who this person is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:36] \u003c/em>So Zoe is twenty three years old. She is currently a student at UC Berkeley and she was born in the Bay Area, but she mostly grew up in San Luis Obispo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:48] \u003c/em>I’ve always really loved animals and cared about animals and I grew up surrounded by them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:54] \u003c/em>And she’s just one of those people who has always loved animals, like from a very young age. 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Like every single one of her posts is about chickens, about cows, just like it’s about her activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:23] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe is really active on social media. I think that’s how she’s garnered a lot of attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:31] \u003c/em>Here are five basic rights that all animals deserve to have the right to not be exploited, abused, or killed by humans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:38] \u003c/em>And if you go to her Instagram she has hundreds of thousands of followers and she posts multiple times a day, her you know, with different animals in her life, chickens, cows, goats. She very clearly Loves animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:56] \u003c/em>The right to be free or have a guardian. Take action for animals. 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They film themselves stealing animals, whether that’s chickens, cows, other livestock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Direct Action Everywhere Video: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:55] \u003c/em>Hopefully you know people who are watching this also feel inspired to take similar action because we’re not any we’re not special. We are just ordinary people who realize that there’s extreme violence happening all around us and today we’re doing something about it\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:10] \u003c/em>But you might also remember a pretty high profile protest of theirs from twenty twenty two, when actually Zoe herself ran onto the court at an NBA game and tried to super glue herself to a basket.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:24] \u003c/em>Another Minnesota Timberwolves game, another protester on the court. It’s almost becoming a regular occurrence now after another animal rights protester stormed the court during the Timberwolves and Memphis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:36] \u003c/em>That was in protest of the owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves who also owned an egg farm that Direct Action Everywhere says was abusing animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:48] \u003c/em>I mean that’s that’s pretty intense stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:50] \u003c/em>Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:53] \u003c/em>Well let’s talk about the trial, Dana, because this trial centered on an incident that happened at a Sonoma County poultry facility in twenty twenty three. What happened exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:05] \u003c/em>So this was one of their quote unquote open rescues, like I mentioned. So in this instance in particular, on June 13th, 2023, Zoe and a few of her fellow activists broke into Petaluma poultry in the middle of the night, and they took four chickens off a trailer and placed them into buckets, and then they left with them. They filmed the whole thing, they shared that video with me, and it shows Zoe dressed in protective gear. She has a hard hat on and she has a mask on, and she’s sifting through these crates of chickens that are loaded up onto a truck bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:47] \u003c/em>She’s in really bad shape. She keeps closing her eyes. She seems to be in a lot of pain when I touch her…\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:54] \u003c/em>She inspects a couple of them and then places four of them into red buckets. And Zoe told me that she chose those specific chickens because they were covered in scratches and bruises.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:09] \u003c/em>We have repeatedly reported criminal animal cruelty at Petaluma Poultry, and law enforcement have repeatedly failed to act. And we know that they aren’t going to help her. So we will.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:24] \u003c/em>And I should also note that that isn’t the only incident upon which this trial was based. Zoe was also charged with you know, in the lead up to that incident, going through the farm’s paperwork, computers, and even affixing GPS monitors onto twelve different farm delivery vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:47] \u003c/em>Oh wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:53] \u003c/em>It seems like Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere really had their sights set on this specific poultry facility. why? Why is that? Like what does Zoe and this group say that they were saving the chickens from exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:09] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere have been investigating Petaluma poultry for a really long time, like more than five years. They say that they’ve accumulated evidence over that time that shows widespread neglect and, you know, again, they say generally horrific conditions for chickens there. Things like chickens suffering from a disease that causes their legs to swell up. They also say they have evidence of chickens being boiled alive there as a result of like rapidly moving slaughter lines. I also want to note Petaluma Poultry and its owner, Purdue Farms, have denied all of these claims and any evidence of wrongdoing there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:58] \u003c/em>What was the reaction to this this action at the time, especially among farmers and and I guess maybe the community in Sonoma County that felt very targeted by direct action everywhere?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:10] \u003c/em>Yeah, I would say generally farmers in Sonoma County are just really fed up with this group, honestly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:18] \u003c/em>The activists want to tell a different story that we’re here to torture, we’re here because we’re cruel people. That couldn’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:27] \u003c/em>I talked to one farmer in particular, Mike Weber, who had his farm broken into actually by Zoe and other direct action everywhere activists in a totally separate incident. I think for him it’s more than just a nuisance. He really views it as endangering his animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:46] \u003c/em>We had hundreds of people run onto our farm here, pry the doors open to our chicken houses, run through them, grabbing chickens, coming out, holding the chickens in a way that would be a direct animal welfare violation. They weren’t supporting them properly, so the chickens are gasping for air.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:02] \u003c/em>These activists are breaking and entering. And I think, you know, a lot of farmers are also just scared to talk publicly about this. I’ve honestly had a hard time getting anyone to talk to me about this. And I think that’s for fear of being targeted by this group next.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:23] \u003c/em>And I imagine it feels, I I mean it is a direct threat to his livelihood, what they’re trying to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:29] \u003c/em>Yeah. Absolutely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:36] \u003c/em>There isn’t a widespread problem as has been alleged by these activists here. They are targeting us because we’re convenient for them. They’re forty minutes from Berkeley. They do not want to go to where the real problems are in other parts of the nation or even in other places in the state. They believe that by targeting us in a a pretty progressive county, that they can convince people that there are animal abusers here and it’s widespread. And that can’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:08] \u003c/em>We’ll have more with KQED’s Dana Cronin right after this. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:08] \u003c/em>So then how does this all sort of spiral into a trial?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:14] \u003c/em>So ultimately, Zoe was charged with four counts, the most serious of which was felony conspiracy. So, in their complaint, the Sonoma County District Attorney’s Office said that Zoe unlawfully conspired to trespass onto the farm on multiple occasions. The other three charges were all misdemeanors. Those included trespassing and damaging or tampering with a vehicle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:42] \u003c/em>What is the trial about exactly? What what is the central question?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:47] \u003c/em>So the prosecution’s case was pretty straightforward. Zoe broke these laws and she should be held accountable. It’s interesting because the central question of this trial was never really whether Zoe did these things, but why?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:06] \u003c/em>I don’t believe that what I did was a crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:09] \u003c/em>Zoe admits to doing these things. I mean, they took the video of the whole thing. So her lawyer tried to convince the jury that Zoe’s breaking of the law was justified because of the animal cruelty that they say was taking place at Petaluma Poultry, which again, Petaluma Poultry denies. Zoe and her defense team also tried to submit that evidence that they say shows animal welfare violations at Petaluma Poultry, but the judge denied that request. How long does this trial last? The jury actually came to their decision very quickly. So the trial started on September 15th. And then on October 29th, the jury convicted her on all counts. The felony and all three misdemeanor counts. She is set to be sentenced today, and she’s facing up to almost five years in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:15] \u003c/em>I remember it being really shocking, like the headline this animal rights activist is a convicted felon. What is the reaction to all this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:25] \u003c/em>Obviously, the district attorney was, of course, happy with the outcome, basically saying that Zoe got what she deserved, and that no one is above the law, no matter their beliefs or their justification for breaking the law. Petaluma Poultry and Purdue Farms have been pretty quiet. I reached out to both of them for interviews throughout my reporting, and they never agreed to one. They have released public statements. They call Direct Action Everywhere an extremist group. They say Zoe’s actions were extreme and that she deserves to be put on trial. They’ve said this is not about silencing speech. It’s about holding people accountable for unlawful activity. And that obviously wasn’t the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:43] \u003c/em>When she was convicted, what was her reaction? Was she sad? Was she scared? 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It’s a bizarre story that’s garnered national attention with animal welfare in Sonoma County at the center of it all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:50] \u003c/em>This has just kind of boiled up into this moment and this trial, and and and it might not be the last.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:59] \u003c/em>Today, the Berkeley animal rights activist turned convicted felon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:08] \u003c/em>Well, Dana, first off, I I just have been like thinking about this story, how wild it is, but also how it just seems like I feel like we’ve really been talking a lot about animal welfare in Sonoma County in particular in the last few years. Is it just me or does it feel like that really has sort of been the case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:30] \u003c/em>I think that definitely is the case, especially here in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:35] \u003c/em>Dana Cronin is a reporter for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:39] \u003c/em>Which is interesting because Sonoma County is also heralded as like one of the most humane places where animals are farmed. You’ve seen the cows grazing in like rolling green hills, white picket fences. Like it’s very picturesque. And most farmers there farm organically, and California holds them to really strict animal welfare laws, more strict than almost any other state in the country. So it is interesting and like kind of ironic that the county has been at the center of this animal welfare debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:26] \u003c/em>This story in particular is really centered around this activist named Zoe Rosenberg. Tell me a little bit more about Zoe and and who this person is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:36] \u003c/em>So Zoe is twenty three years old. She is currently a student at UC Berkeley and she was born in the Bay Area, but she mostly grew up in San Luis Obispo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:48] \u003c/em>I’ve always really loved animals and cared about animals and I grew up surrounded by them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:54] \u003c/em>And she’s just one of those people who has always loved animals, like from a very young age. Her mom is a veterinarian, so she’s always been around them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:04] \u003c/em>People were always showing up at our house when I was a kid with sick animals or if animals they found abandon on the street asking for my mom’s help. And she also got involved in animal activism at a really young age. I became an organizer for Direct Action Everywhere when I was 12 years old, about a year after I started Happy and Animal Sanctuary. She\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:26] \u003c/em>Says she learned about the group, Direct Action Everywhere, on social media, and they really inspired her to get involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:35] \u003c/em>I saw videos of people doing protests and talking about what’s happening to animals and I was so inspired and I knew I wanted to do activism like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:46] \u003c/em>And then she ultimately went to UC Berkeley and then became even more involved with Direct Action Everywhere since they’re based in Berkeley. And now she’s an organizer with the group and has participated in and led a lot of protests for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:05] \u003c/em>And I actually like looked through Zoe’s social media and she really is like a diehard animal rights activist. Like every single one of her posts is about chickens, about cows, just like it’s about her activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:23] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe is really active on social media. I think that’s how she’s garnered a lot of attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:31] \u003c/em>Here are five basic rights that all animals deserve to have the right to not be exploited, abused, or killed by humans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:38] \u003c/em>And if you go to her Instagram she has hundreds of thousands of followers and she posts multiple times a day, her you know, with different animals in her life, chickens, cows, goats. She very clearly Loves animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:56] \u003c/em>The right to be free or have a guardian. Take action for animals. Go to directactioneverywhere.Com.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:04] \u003c/em>Tell me a little bit more about this group that she is part of, direct action everywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:11] \u003c/em>Yeah, so this is a pretty controversial group. Like I said, they’re Berkeley-based, and their stated goal is to completely ban animal agriculture. They are most known for their attention grabbing protests. They call them quote unquote animal rescues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Direct Action Everywhere Video: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:35] \u003c/em>So today we had a successful action where we were able to rescue four birds and we’ve shut down this slaughterhouse for now. We have four activists locked to a box.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:45] \u003c/em>This is where they break into farms. They film themselves stealing animals, whether that’s chickens, cows, other livestock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Direct Action Everywhere Video: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:55] \u003c/em>Hopefully you know people who are watching this also feel inspired to take similar action because we’re not any we’re not special. We are just ordinary people who realize that there’s extreme violence happening all around us and today we’re doing something about it\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:10] \u003c/em>But you might also remember a pretty high profile protest of theirs from twenty twenty two, when actually Zoe herself ran onto the court at an NBA game and tried to super glue herself to a basket.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:24] \u003c/em>Another Minnesota Timberwolves game, another protester on the court. It’s almost becoming a regular occurrence now after another animal rights protester stormed the court during the Timberwolves and Memphis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:36] \u003c/em>That was in protest of the owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves who also owned an egg farm that Direct Action Everywhere says was abusing animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:48] \u003c/em>I mean that’s that’s pretty intense stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:50] \u003c/em>Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:53] \u003c/em>Well let’s talk about the trial, Dana, because this trial centered on an incident that happened at a Sonoma County poultry facility in twenty twenty three. What happened exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:05] \u003c/em>So this was one of their quote unquote open rescues, like I mentioned. So in this instance in particular, on June 13th, 2023, Zoe and a few of her fellow activists broke into Petaluma poultry in the middle of the night, and they took four chickens off a trailer and placed them into buckets, and then they left with them. They filmed the whole thing, they shared that video with me, and it shows Zoe dressed in protective gear. She has a hard hat on and she has a mask on, and she’s sifting through these crates of chickens that are loaded up onto a truck bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:47] \u003c/em>She’s in really bad shape. She keeps closing her eyes. She seems to be in a lot of pain when I touch her…\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:54] \u003c/em>She inspects a couple of them and then places four of them into red buckets. And Zoe told me that she chose those specific chickens because they were covered in scratches and bruises.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:09] \u003c/em>We have repeatedly reported criminal animal cruelty at Petaluma Poultry, and law enforcement have repeatedly failed to act. And we know that they aren’t going to help her. So we will.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:24] \u003c/em>And I should also note that that isn’t the only incident upon which this trial was based. Zoe was also charged with you know, in the lead up to that incident, going through the farm’s paperwork, computers, and even affixing GPS monitors onto twelve different farm delivery vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:47] \u003c/em>Oh wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:53] \u003c/em>It seems like Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere really had their sights set on this specific poultry facility. why? Why is that? Like what does Zoe and this group say that they were saving the chickens from exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:09] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere have been investigating Petaluma poultry for a really long time, like more than five years. They say that they’ve accumulated evidence over that time that shows widespread neglect and, you know, again, they say generally horrific conditions for chickens there. Things like chickens suffering from a disease that causes their legs to swell up. They also say they have evidence of chickens being boiled alive there as a result of like rapidly moving slaughter lines. I also want to note Petaluma Poultry and its owner, Purdue Farms, have denied all of these claims and any evidence of wrongdoing there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:58] \u003c/em>What was the reaction to this this action at the time, especially among farmers and and I guess maybe the community in Sonoma County that felt very targeted by direct action everywhere?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:10] \u003c/em>Yeah, I would say generally farmers in Sonoma County are just really fed up with this group, honestly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:18] \u003c/em>The activists want to tell a different story that we’re here to torture, we’re here because we’re cruel people. That couldn’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:27] \u003c/em>I talked to one farmer in particular, Mike Weber, who had his farm broken into actually by Zoe and other direct action everywhere activists in a totally separate incident. I think for him it’s more than just a nuisance. He really views it as endangering his animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:46] \u003c/em>We had hundreds of people run onto our farm here, pry the doors open to our chicken houses, run through them, grabbing chickens, coming out, holding the chickens in a way that would be a direct animal welfare violation. They weren’t supporting them properly, so the chickens are gasping for air.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:02] \u003c/em>These activists are breaking and entering. And I think, you know, a lot of farmers are also just scared to talk publicly about this. I’ve honestly had a hard time getting anyone to talk to me about this. And I think that’s for fear of being targeted by this group next.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:23] \u003c/em>And I imagine it feels, I I mean it is a direct threat to his livelihood, what they’re trying to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:29] \u003c/em>Yeah. Absolutely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:36] \u003c/em>There isn’t a widespread problem as has been alleged by these activists here. They are targeting us because we’re convenient for them. They’re forty minutes from Berkeley. They do not want to go to where the real problems are in other parts of the nation or even in other places in the state. They believe that by targeting us in a a pretty progressive county, that they can convince people that there are animal abusers here and it’s widespread. And that can’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:08] \u003c/em>We’ll have more with KQED’s Dana Cronin right after this. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:08] \u003c/em>So then how does this all sort of spiral into a trial?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:14] \u003c/em>So ultimately, Zoe was charged with four counts, the most serious of which was felony conspiracy. So, in their complaint, the Sonoma County District Attorney’s Office said that Zoe unlawfully conspired to trespass onto the farm on multiple occasions. The other three charges were all misdemeanors. Those included trespassing and damaging or tampering with a vehicle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:42] \u003c/em>What is the trial about exactly? What what is the central question?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:47] \u003c/em>So the prosecution’s case was pretty straightforward. Zoe broke these laws and she should be held accountable. It’s interesting because the central question of this trial was never really whether Zoe did these things, but why?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:06] \u003c/em>I don’t believe that what I did was a crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:09] \u003c/em>Zoe admits to doing these things. I mean, they took the video of the whole thing. So her lawyer tried to convince the jury that Zoe’s breaking of the law was justified because of the animal cruelty that they say was taking place at Petaluma Poultry, which again, Petaluma Poultry denies. Zoe and her defense team also tried to submit that evidence that they say shows animal welfare violations at Petaluma Poultry, but the judge denied that request. How long does this trial last? The jury actually came to their decision very quickly. So the trial started on September 15th. And then on October 29th, the jury convicted her on all counts. The felony and all three misdemeanor counts. She is set to be sentenced today, and she’s facing up to almost five years in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:15] \u003c/em>I remember it being really shocking, like the headline this animal rights activist is a convicted felon. What is the reaction to all this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:25] \u003c/em>Obviously, the district attorney was, of course, happy with the outcome, basically saying that Zoe got what she deserved, and that no one is above the law, no matter their beliefs or their justification for breaking the law. Petaluma Poultry and Purdue Farms have been pretty quiet. I reached out to both of them for interviews throughout my reporting, and they never agreed to one. They have released public statements. They call Direct Action Everywhere an extremist group. They say Zoe’s actions were extreme and that she deserves to be put on trial. They’ve said this is not about silencing speech. It’s about holding people accountable for unlawful activity. And that obviously wasn’t the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:43] \u003c/em>When she was convicted, what was her reaction? Was she sad? Was she scared? 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They were the ones behind that ballot measure that you may have heard of last year, Measure J, which would have banned large farms in the county. That measure was overwhelmingly defeated by voters there. But Direct Action Everywhere garnered a lot of attention for their effort in promoting it. This group has certainly shown no sign of slowing down. In fact, I think this trial has garnered them even more attention. And as Sonoma County farmers are increasingly frustrated with these tactics, this is an example of that tension sort of coming to a head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:32] \u003c/em>Such a wild, wild story, Dana. Thank you so much for breaking it down for us. I appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:38] \u003c/em>Of course.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Erica Cruz Guevara and welcome to the Bay, local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:00:05] Your adorable beanie baby beanie hat is so cute with the little bouncy thing on top of your headphones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:13] This is my colleague Sasha Khokha. She’s the host of the California Report magazine, a weekly show bringing in-depth storytelling and documentaries about our beautiful state. 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(laughs)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:00] The series Love You for You features six conversations between trans and non-binary kids and their loved ones. And today we’re gonna talk with Sasha about being a fly on the wall to these conversations as the trans community is under attack. That’s coming up right after the break.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:32] We’re talking about your series for the California Report magazine. I wonder if you can actually just start by walking me through the the thinking behind your series, the why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:02:43] The thinking was there’s a lot out there about trans kids being in the crosshairs of the Trump administration right now. But I think what’s really missing are stories of what it looks like when kids have love and support from their families and because of that are insulated a little bit from what’s happening in the outside world. That’s not to say that backdrop doesn’t exist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:12] Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:03:13] But I think there’s a lot of power in hearing from parents, from grandparents, from elders who love and support transgender and nonbinary kids so they can thrive, so they can find joy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:31] And these were essentially sort of like StoryCorps style episodes where you’re not in it but you just hear these kids talking with these people who are important in their lives about who they are and why they love them and just these very sweet conversations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:03:50] Right, and that’s part of why we wanted to do these as conversations that could unfold naturally without me as the journalist coming to their house and sticking a microphone in their face and getting a sound bite or two from a kid. And we also really wanted to give these kids agency so they picked the adults or the other people they wanted to be in conversation with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:17] With can you explain the range of people that we hear from in this series?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:04:23] So we start off with an eight year old non-binary kid in conversation with their mom. I like took this sock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:04:31] I like to play soccer and read, and my family’s from Asia like Vietnam and Taiwan and my pronouns they them and I’m eight years old.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:04:43] And that was actually the first conversation we recorded. And it was kind of hard because the kid was really shy and was only eight and was a little bit soft spoken on the microphone. It was a little bit stuffed up, so it was like a little bit hard to understand them. And their voice is so cute. Yeah, and I thought, oh my gosh, how’s this gonna go? Like, how are we gonna do all of these? But honestly, I think once they got warmed up and their mom really made them feel comfortable, it was quite a sweet conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:05:15] What are you most proud of about me?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:05:19] That you knew when you were very young. You were only about four years old and you just kinda told me that you weren’t sure that you fit being either a boy or a girl, and you felt maybe like you were neither or both. And that was something for us to learn because we didn’t think kids that young knew that about themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:05:47] And especially about navigating pronouns with their Vietnamese and Taiwanese relatives because in some of their families’ home languages there are not gendered pronouns. And so it was just a really interesting conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:06:03] And so for them everybody’s a they or they mix they mix he’s and she’s a lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:06:09] Maybe like the future could just be like people accept they them or trans just as like would they accept she or he right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:06:28] In some cases the kids chose actually to bring in someone who was not blood related to them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hunter Stoval \u003c/strong>[00:06:33] Beyond you being my aunt, you’re one of my closest friends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:06:37] One of the conversations was with sixteen year old Hunter Stoval, who decided to talk with his special auntie, whose name’s Shirin Amini. She actually came out as a lesbian in the nineteen nineties, and the first person she came out to was Hunter’s mom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Shirin Amini \u003c/strong>[00:06:56] I think honestly, that your mom was the most supportive person in my life that was kind of a rock, like my rock of Gibraltar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:07:11] And so it was just a really lovely sort of full circle conversation and it got at some of the queer and trans history that these kids also wanted to know about from their elders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hunter Stoval \u003c/strong>[00:07:22] I think everyone should have a shrine in their life. Like an older role model who’s also your friend who you can tell anything and you know they won’t tell your parents unless you ask them to and call you when you need anything. And just having that mentor-friend combination is just so perfect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:07:47] The last two episodes are actually young people in conversation with transgender elders in their seventies who have seen the long arc of transgender history here in California and who have been through a lot and had a lot of wisdom to share with young people. And I think those are some of the most touching conversations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:15] I mean, were there any themes that really emerged from the conversations in this series?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:08:22] I mean, I think one of them is just intergenerational exchange.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:08:26] America teaches us not to really care about our old folks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:08:31] I’m thinking of a conversation with Andrea Horne, who is she says she’s a woman of a certain age. She didn’t want to give her age. But she is a transgender elder here in San Francisco. She came to San Francisco from LA when she was fifteen to get away from her very unsupportive family. She was an actress, a model, a performer. She hung out with Sylvester in the 70s. And now she’s a historian who’s writing a book called How Black Trans Women Changed the World.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:06] But before World War II, we were considered just part of the community. Mm-hmm. As long as you stay in your lane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Zen Blossom \u003c/strong>[00:09:14] And what were those lanes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:15] The lanes were hairdresser.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Zen Blossom \u003c/strong>[00:09:17] Okay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:18] Sex work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Zen Blossom \u003c/strong>[00:09:19] Okay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:20] Work in a bar of some sort. A show girl and housewife. 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I’d do anything for her and she knows that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:10:31] She was so funny and vivacious and great. And again, I was worried, how’s a ten year old gonna do in this studio with all these microphones? And she’s an actor and she’s a performer. And at one point in the interview sh as we were wrapping up, she’s like, By the way, if there are any agents out there listening and you need somebody to cast\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Younger sister \u003c/strong>[00:10:51] If I really want to be a child actor, if there’s any agents listening, hello, I’m here. Hi. But another thing is I would love to like this, I love how I get to like share knowledge to other people that might not know about being trans or stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:11:12] And another thing she did that was really surprising is when she was asked, you know, what do you do when you get bullied, she actually just burst into song.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Younger sister \u003c/strong>[00:11:19] They’re just doing it because they’re insecure about yourself and they just want to tear you down even though you’re a confident, amazing person and they’re not. So just walk away and say I’m better than you and sing your way out. That’s what I do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:11:39] So I guess what was most surprising to me was just how joyful and funny some of these kids were and their self-confidence. Sometimes transgender and non-binary kids, gender-expansive kids have to grow up a little bit faster because they’ve got to face the world that sometimes is hostile to them. Sometimes they have to make choices about gender-affirming care. A lot of decisions that sometimes make them have to, you know, have a level of maturity that we might not always see in other kids their age.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:16] Right. Like an awareness of of who you are. I don’t I don’t think I was that fully formed when I was ten, for example. 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And also how people who may not have much connection with trans people at all are hearing the joy and the courage in these kids’ voices and really feeling moved by it.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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And I really wanted to talk with Sasha, who’s been thinking a lot lately, about trans kids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:00:35] You know, I have a lot of amazing trans and non-binary kids in my life, and talking to those kids and talking to their families, I heard a lot of frustration that the media coverage of trans kids right now often doesn’t even include the voices of trans kids. And often flattens kids into just one dimension of their identity, which is their gender.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:03] For Sasha, these kids are so much more than that. They’re students, athletes, dancers, and siblings. And some are also thriving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:01:15] I think there’s a lot of power in hearing from parents, from grandparents, from elders who love and support transgender and non-binary kids so they can thrive, so they can find joy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:33] So Sasha and her colleagues spent months putting together this series called Love You for You. Conversations between trans kids and the people who love them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:01:47] Thanks for letting me be who I am.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:01:49] Yeah. And thank you for letting me be your parent and for letting me love you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:01:56] You’re welcome. (laughs)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:00] The series Love You for You features six conversations between trans and non-binary kids and their loved ones. And today we’re gonna talk with Sasha about being a fly on the wall to these conversations as the trans community is under attack. That’s coming up right after the break.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:32] We’re talking about your series for the California Report magazine. I wonder if you can actually just start by walking me through the the thinking behind your series, the why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:02:43] The thinking was there’s a lot out there about trans kids being in the crosshairs of the Trump administration right now. But I think what’s really missing are stories of what it looks like when kids have love and support from their families and because of that are insulated a little bit from what’s happening in the outside world. 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It was a little bit stuffed up, so it was like a little bit hard to understand them. And their voice is so cute. Yeah, and I thought, oh my gosh, how’s this gonna go? Like, how are we gonna do all of these? But honestly, I think once they got warmed up and their mom really made them feel comfortable, it was quite a sweet conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:05:15] What are you most proud of about me?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:05:19] That you knew when you were very young. You were only about four years old and you just kinda told me that you weren’t sure that you fit being either a boy or a girl, and you felt maybe like you were neither or both. 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