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Today, California’s wide open governor’s race.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:09] \u003c/em>This is without a doubt the most wide open race for California governor in the 21st century.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:18] \u003c/em>Guy Marzorotti is a politics and government correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:24] \u003c/em>You know, there’s been a lot of consternation about the fact that, oh, we don’t have a natural front runner or there’s a lot of messiness in terms of how this is being sorted out. I see it as kind of exciting, honestly, for Californians. There’s no one who’s been anointed. The special interests in the state have not knighted someone to be our next governor. 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He decided not to with the state’s attorney general that’s typically been like the best launching pad to become governor with the State’s Attorney General Rob Bonta run. He decided not to. I would also say like there’s been a lot else going on. You know, like that is distracted from this campaign playing out. Of course, everything happening at the national level, the kind of day by day whirlwind of the Trump administration, but also a lot here in California. We had a whole statewide campaign last year with Proposition 50, that the gerrymandering effort to redraw our congressional maps that no one really expected. It kind of came out of the blue and dominated California’s political scene. To the detriment and kind of to the exclusion of focus on the governance race.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:28] \u003c/em>That’s a great point. I mean, all the stuff going on with immigration, it’s just our attentions feel elsewhere right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:35] \u003c/em>Right, right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:36] \u003c/em>Can you describe then for me the shape of the race so far now? I mean we have, it sounds like a bunch of people running.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:44] \u003c/em>Yeah. So I think if we break the race down broadly into a category of like top contenders, we currently have eight Democrats and two Republicans. In that top 10, you have eight Democrats, Congressmember Eric Swalwell from the East Bay, former U.S. Representative Katie Porter, who’s from Orange County, Tom Steyer, who is a wealthy investor, Matt Mahan, the mayor of San Jose, Xavier Becerra, the former attorney general, former Health and Human Services secretary, former LA mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the state’s former controller, Betty Yee, and the current state superintendent, Tony Thurmond. So that’s the Democratic field. And then two Republicans, conservative commentator Steve Hilton, and then Riverside County Sheriff, Chad Bianco. And remember the June primary is a top two primary. So everyone appears on the ballot together regardless of party and you can vote for a Democrat, you could vote for Republican, the top two will advance to the general election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:56] \u003c/em>So there’s not one breakout star in this year’s governor’s race, but who is rising to the top right now, especially among voters?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:05] \u003c/em>Yeah, so, you know, I mentioned that 10 candidate field. We are seeing somewhat of a top five in polling where you have the two Republicans, Steve Hilton, this, you know, commentator who has appeared a lot throughout the years on\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Chad Bianco: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:22] \u003c/em>We need change in California. We’ve had one-party rules now 16 years, as I keep pointing out. It’s just a question of balance in our system. I don’t think it’s one party rule is healthy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:33] \u003c/em>Chad Bianco, a sheriff of Riverside County, who’s really heralded his conservative law enforcement credentials. California, the Democrat party, the Democratic agenda, and California is indefensible. And then three Democrats who have kind of risen up in the polls, Eric Swalwell, who made his name in Congress really fighting against President Donald Trump. He served as an impeachment manager in the 2021 impeachment hearings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Eric Swalwell: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:02] \u003c/em>And so as governor, I will make sure that I’m on offense on behalf of Californians so that the most vulnerable are not on defense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:11] \u003c/em>Katie Porter, who also made her name in Congress, both as an opponent of Trump and as someone who kind of became famous for wielding this whiteboard during hearings and having these confrontations with pharmaceutical executives and folks in the Trump administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katie Porter: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:27] \u003c/em>If you’ve seen me in a hearing, you know that I like to eat. Cheating CEOs for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, I am unafraid to take on the rich and powerful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:36] \u003c/em>And then Tom Steyer who made his wealth as a hedge fund manager, but has spent more than a decade now as really a big time political investor and running campaigns, fighting against tobacco companies and others in statewide ballot initiatives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Tom Steyer: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:53] \u003c/em>Why do I think it’s me? I don’t owe any on anything, and I’m willing to take on very well-funded special interests who are not going to like me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:05] \u003c/em>We’ve seen those top five pretty consistently in recent polling, but I should say, even within that, no candidate has gotten even a fifth of the vote reliably. We haven’t seen any of those candidates reliably poll above 20%. So a lot of that polling, I think, at this point in the race, is speaking to name identification, simply who are Californians familiar with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:32] \u003c/em>Among the Democrats, you noted that some of the top contenders so far are Eric Swalwell, Katie Porter, and Tom Steyer. Why do you think those three are sort of rising to the top?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:46] \u003c/em>Yeah, I think a lot of that has to do at this point in the race with simply who are voters familiar with. In the case of Eric Swalwell and Katie Porter, they both made their name in Congress. They’ve only ever ever represented one congressional district, yet they’ve made their name by being, you know, a constant antagonist to the Trump administration. They’ve created these viral moments in congressional hearings, and so they become these congressional superstars with. A name ID that really goes beyond the boundaries of their congressional district. And then that third Democrat I mentioned, Tom Steyer, he’s kind of gotten himself out there in a different way. It’s been through his own spending. He spent about $80 million so far on this campaign, running ads all over the state, seemingly at all hours, and really put himself and his more kind of progressive platform on the radar for a lot of voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:50] \u003c/em>We’ll have more with KQED’s Guy Marzorati right after the break. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:02] \u003c/em>Do we have any idea who could line up behind any one of these candidates on the Democratic side? I mean, have we seen any kinds of big endorsements?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:13] \u003c/em>When it comes to the endorsement question, like who have groups gotten behind, we haven’t seen a lot of consensus. You know, the Democratic Party held a convention. They held an endorsement vote. No one received the endorsements. No one was able to get the 60% of delegates needed. But I think the lack of consensus goes beyond just the Democratic party. Take labor unions, like there is no consensus labor candidate right now, and you can go back 30 years in governor’s races in California, traditionally when the labor community consolidates around a Democrat, that Democrat wins the primary. We’re not seeing that this year. The California Nurses Association endorsed Tom Steyer. We’ve seen the Teamsters support Katie Porter, the Building Trades, Union support Antonio Villaraigosa. And then outside of organized labor, there have been some other groups that have gotten involved and shown a real willingness to spend money. I’m thinking about. A group representing doctors that’s getting behind Eric Swalwell, and then the big one is Silicon Valley, which we’ve seen a lot of prominent tech entrepreneurs, executives and investors give to Matt Mahan. Since he’s jumped in the race, he’s already gotten more than $10 million. He’s basically ahead of everyone in fundraising except Tom Steyer, who’s funding his own campaign largely, and then we’ve seen interest from Silicon Valley. Executives to create outside groups to be able to pour even more money into Mahan’s campaign. So that’s really in the recent weeks where you’ve seen the largest movement financially is Tom Steyer continuing to give tens of millions to his campaign and Silicon valley really lining up behind Matt Mahan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:11] \u003c/em>And I guess a reminder for folks listening that the top two finishers in this June primary will advance to November, regardless of their party. I know there’s been a lot of talk about how the number of choices among the Democrats is just so high that folks are kind of afraid that this actually might end up being a runoff between two Republicans. I mean, how likely is that given the lack of unity among the Democrats.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:43] \u003c/em>Yeah, I mean, this has become an increasing concern for democratic leaders in the state as we’ve seen the field really not narrow much at all. Right now, there’s Paul Mitchell, who’s a voting data expert in California. He put together this simulator that puts in polling and other metrics to figure out what are the chances of that actually happening. Right now it’s hovering somewhere around kind of a one in four chance that we would end up with two Republicans in the general election. And that’s been kind of too close for comfort for a lot of Democratic leaders. So in the last week, you saw the chair of the state party, Rusty Hicks. Call on candidates who he said, look, if you don’t have a path, a viable path to make it to the general election, it’s time to start wrapping up your campaign. We saw his call echoed by Governor Gavin Newsom, the speaker of the state assembly, Robert Revis. So more and more of these leading Democrats say, okay, it’s for some of the lower polling candidates to drop out. And this will be a test of like party strength. Like is that call heated or do we, you know, see this large field continue? Uh… Into may when voting begins\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:55] \u003c/em>Yeah, I mean you mentioned earlier that the top five in the polls right now are sort of writing on a little bit of name recognition, but it does sort of feel like any one of these folks are like maybe just one viral moment away from taking the lead on this thing given how open it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:15] \u003c/em>Yeah, no, I think that’s exactly fair. And when you think about the top Democrats, like I’ve been thinking about this recently, like the path that we’re seeing is something so different from traditional California history, where usually the governor is someone who has previously served in statewide office. That’s how you build up recognition among voters. That is how you build up support from interest groups at the state capitol. We’re not seeing that in this year’s election. Eric Swalwell. Has represented one congressional district. Katie Porter has represented one congressional District yet, they’ve been able to capitalize on what you described viral moments in DC that’s then led to exposure on national cable television. And as we’ve seen more of the nationalization of political media, that’s really played in their advantage. And I would say it’s also put a spotlight on really the ability for Democrats to use Trump. To get their name out. Like we were less than two months from voting getting underway, yet this campaign has not been defined really at all about like policy disagreements. But like, I think a lot of people are attracted to candidates because of their kind of value statements, right? And what they say they stand for versus maybe any specific position. If we don’t have a race in which the party establishment and others are all coalescing around one candidate and basically saying to voters, okay, here’s our pick. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:01] \u003c/em>From KQED, I’m Ericka Cruz Guevara and welcome to the Bay local news to keep you rooted. Political news has been absolutely dominated by President Donald Trump. But whether it feels like it or not, we’ve got a whole governor’s race going on in California right now to replace Gavin Newsom. And the first step is right around the corner in the June primary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:31] \u003c/em>It’s a real test for voters to say, okay, who’s your pick? What are you looking for in a leader?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:38] \u003c/em>Voters have a long list of candidates to choose from, especially if you’re a Democrat. And without a clear standout star in this year’s race, Californians have a lot of options. Today, California’s wide open governor’s race.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:09] \u003c/em>This is without a doubt the most wide open race for California governor in the 21st century.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:18] \u003c/em>Guy Marzorotti is a politics and government correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:24] \u003c/em>You know, there’s been a lot of consternation about the fact that, oh, we don’t have a natural front runner or there’s a lot of messiness in terms of how this is being sorted out. I see it as kind of exciting, honestly, for Californians. There’s no one who’s been anointed. The special interests in the state have not knighted someone to be our next governor. This is truly a wide open race that leaves a lot of really interesting choices for voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:53] \u003c/em>Maybe this is just me, but it actually doesn’t even really feel like we’re having a governor’s race this year. I guess I mean this just in terms of the fact that there isn’t, like, a big name in the race that people are super familiar with. And I’m wondering if you can just talked first about, I mean, who’s not in? In the race and how that has sort of shaped the governor’s race in California this year in many ways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:24] \u003c/em>Yeah I mean I think the vibe that you’re feeling is right on. In many ways this race has been defined for a while about like who’s not in it. First there was a lot of anticipation would Kamala Harris run for governor? She decided not to. Would US Senator Alex Padilla run? He decided not to with the state’s attorney general that’s typically been like the best launching pad to become governor with the State’s Attorney General Rob Bonta run. He decided not to. I would also say like there’s been a lot else going on. You know, like that is distracted from this campaign playing out. Of course, everything happening at the national level, the kind of day by day whirlwind of the Trump administration, but also a lot here in California. We had a whole statewide campaign last year with Proposition 50, that the gerrymandering effort to redraw our congressional maps that no one really expected. It kind of came out of the blue and dominated California’s political scene. To the detriment and kind of to the exclusion of focus on the governance race.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:28] \u003c/em>That’s a great point. I mean, all the stuff going on with immigration, it’s just our attentions feel elsewhere right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:35] \u003c/em>Right, right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:36] \u003c/em>Can you describe then for me the shape of the race so far now? I mean we have, it sounds like a bunch of people running.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:44] \u003c/em>Yeah. So I think if we break the race down broadly into a category of like top contenders, we currently have eight Democrats and two Republicans. In that top 10, you have eight Democrats, Congressmember Eric Swalwell from the East Bay, former U.S. Representative Katie Porter, who’s from Orange County, Tom Steyer, who is a wealthy investor, Matt Mahan, the mayor of San Jose, Xavier Becerra, the former attorney general, former Health and Human Services secretary, former LA mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the state’s former controller, Betty Yee, and the current state superintendent, Tony Thurmond. So that’s the Democratic field. And then two Republicans, conservative commentator Steve Hilton, and then Riverside County Sheriff, Chad Bianco. And remember the June primary is a top two primary. So everyone appears on the ballot together regardless of party and you can vote for a Democrat, you could vote for Republican, the top two will advance to the general election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:56] \u003c/em>So there’s not one breakout star in this year’s governor’s race, but who is rising to the top right now, especially among voters?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:05] \u003c/em>Yeah, so, you know, I mentioned that 10 candidate field. We are seeing somewhat of a top five in polling where you have the two Republicans, Steve Hilton, this, you know, commentator who has appeared a lot throughout the years on\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Chad Bianco: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:22] \u003c/em>We need change in California. We’ve had one-party rules now 16 years, as I keep pointing out. It’s just a question of balance in our system. I don’t think it’s one party rule is healthy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:33] \u003c/em>Chad Bianco, a sheriff of Riverside County, who’s really heralded his conservative law enforcement credentials. California, the Democrat party, the Democratic agenda, and California is indefensible. And then three Democrats who have kind of risen up in the polls, Eric Swalwell, who made his name in Congress really fighting against President Donald Trump. 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A name ID that really goes beyond the boundaries of their congressional district. And then that third Democrat I mentioned, Tom Steyer, he’s kind of gotten himself out there in a different way. It’s been through his own spending. He spent about $80 million so far on this campaign, running ads all over the state, seemingly at all hours, and really put himself and his more kind of progressive platform on the radar for a lot of voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:50] \u003c/em>We’ll have more with KQED’s Guy Marzorati right after the break. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:02] \u003c/em>Do we have any idea who could line up behind any one of these candidates on the Democratic side? 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And then outside of organized labor, there have been some other groups that have gotten involved and shown a real willingness to spend money. I’m thinking about. A group representing doctors that’s getting behind Eric Swalwell, and then the big one is Silicon Valley, which we’ve seen a lot of prominent tech entrepreneurs, executives and investors give to Matt Mahan. Since he’s jumped in the race, he’s already gotten more than $10 million. He’s basically ahead of everyone in fundraising except Tom Steyer, who’s funding his own campaign largely, and then we’ve seen interest from Silicon Valley. Executives to create outside groups to be able to pour even more money into Mahan’s campaign. 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Right now, there’s Paul Mitchell, who’s a voting data expert in California. He put together this simulator that puts in polling and other metrics to figure out what are the chances of that actually happening. Right now it’s hovering somewhere around kind of a one in four chance that we would end up with two Republicans in the general election. And that’s been kind of too close for comfort for a lot of Democratic leaders. So in the last week, you saw the chair of the state party, Rusty Hicks. Call on candidates who he said, look, if you don’t have a path, a viable path to make it to the general election, it’s time to start wrapping up your campaign. We saw his call echoed by Governor Gavin Newsom, the speaker of the state assembly, Robert Revis. So more and more of these leading Democrats say, okay, it’s for some of the lower polling candidates to drop out. And this will be a test of like party strength. Like is that call heated or do we, you know, see this large field continue? 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Has represented one congressional district. Katie Porter has represented one congressional District yet, they’ve been able to capitalize on what you described viral moments in DC that’s then led to exposure on national cable television. And as we’ve seen more of the nationalization of political media, that’s really played in their advantage. And I would say it’s also put a spotlight on really the ability for Democrats to use Trump. To get their name out. Like we were less than two months from voting getting underway, yet this campaign has not been defined really at all about like policy disagreements. But like, I think a lot of people are attracted to candidates because of their kind of value statements, right? And what they say they stand for versus maybe any specific position. If we don’t have a race in which the party establishment and others are all coalescing around one candidate and basically saying to voters, okay, here’s our pick. 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"content": "\u003cp>West Oakland’s 18th Street is one of the city’s most dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers, with wide lanes, hidden stop signs, and virtually nonexistent crosswalks in a residential area. It’s one of many Oakland roads that has not been fixed for decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, improvements are finally coming to 18th Street. \u003cem>The Oaklandside\u003c/em>’s Jose Fermoso joins us to talk about what changes are on the horizon, and how upgrading roads can pave the way for broader changes in the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Links\u003c/strong>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://oaklandside.org/2026/02/13/18th-street-west-oakland-paving-construction-safe-streets-mandela-project/\">18th St. is one of Oakland’s most dangerous. Here’s how the city is fixing it\u003c/a> (\u003cem>The Oaklandside\u003c/em>)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC9733342565&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco-Northern California Local.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"\" title=\"\">\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:36] How would you describe what it’s like to drive or walk or even bike on 18th Street?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:01:56] This is an old arterial road in West Oakland that actually led up to the old Cypress Highway, which obviously, if people remember, before the 1989 earthquake, used to lead from Oakland into San Francisco, and then it fell during the 1989 Earthquake. It’s dangerous less because of the potholes and more because of width of the street. There’s a lot of academic research that says that the wider. A local road is, the more likely it is that people will speed on it just because of psychological and visual reasons. The other thing is that there’s not a ton of traffic slowing infrastructure on it. There’s not modern street lights. You don’t really have bulb outs, which are the little, you know, little corner sections of a sidewalk at an intersection that jut out into the section in the little Sections of it that do have a stop sign. They’re like way on the side. You can’t really see it. People just don’t treat it like a normal street From 2019 to 2023, there were 16 collisions on 18th Street, including three that involved cyclists. I double-checked some of this data, and I didn’t see that any of those collisions were deaths. A few of them were serious injuries. But 18th street, still just because it didn’t lead to any people dying last year, doesn’t mean that it’s not dangerous. Sometimes this means that the community understands how dangerous it is and actually does not try to use it or cross it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:44] Yeah, that’s actually, I’d say something I heard as well from colleagues who live in Oakland is that even if it might be faster for them to take 18th Street to get home, they’re going the longer way, just to avoid walking on that street or driving on it. And if they have to bike on it, they’re biking on the sidewalk. They’re not biking on that actual street itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:04:08] I saw that too yesterday, yeah, I saw a couple of people use the sidewalk as a mini bicycle highway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:17] What kind of changes exactly are they going to make to 18th Street to make it safer?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:04:24] So on 18th Street, we’re going to have new protected intersections, pedestrian safety islands. There’s also going to be a road diet, which means that the road itself is going to narrow. In the map and plans that I’ve seen, I’ve seen all-way stops, which means that they won’t just put a stop red signal on the side of the road, but they will actually put a pole at the top where you see it right as you’re driving. And so it’s right in front of your face. So one of the worst things that they’re trying to figure out all across the city is to figure out how to get people to pay more attention when they’re turning right into the street. A lot of people everywhere will get to a stop sign and even if it’s not their green go, they’ll see a red and then they’ll turn right often while you’re looking to your left. It’s the quick turn, right? Well, what my grandfather used to say, the California turn. You’re not actually stopping, which means that if somebody’s coming from your right side, a lot of are getting hit by that. And so this project has protected intersections where you have this like little V, little concrete portion that is jutting out into the street where you’re literally, it’s physically impossible to do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:54] They have a lot of those on Telegraph Avenue, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:05:57] You’ve had some of them on Telegraph Avenue, yep. I think High Street also has a bunch of them now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:03] I mean, it just sounds to me like they’re adding things on to 18th Street that maybe most of us aren’t even thinking about as we’re driving, but they’re just things that psychologically help us to slow down, drive more safely on a street like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:06:23] And what I would also say is that it’s like science in terms of the encouragement of it, right? So if you have a terrible street, like 18th street, yes, I had the responsibility to look out for these signals, responsibility to drive responsibly. But when the street is not giving me any signals about what to do, then it is also encouraging me to not do the right thing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:57] Coming up, how road fixes could unlock broader improvements to the city of Oakland. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:20] Can you talk about why I guess this is happening? It seems like this has been a long time coming. Where is the money coming from to even do this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:07:24] I believe that this is coming from a affordable housing and sustainable communities grant, which is connected to housing complex development at Mandela station, which is right next to the West Oakland BART station. This is actually happening a lot now, where the Oak Dot transportation department is working with other projects and other departments in the city in order to kind of, you know, I would almost call it like mooch off or like add to their little pile of money of what they’re doing so that the construction and the design of it all becomes cheaper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:02] And it happens all in one go, right? If you’re gonna build a large building and block it all off, you might as well fix this street too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:08:11] That’s right. And what I heard about this project was that they’ve been ready. The planning and design of 18th Street has been ready to go, but they’ve been waiting for this housing part of it to really start going. And that’s going to happen this spring, finally. I think that there’s a lot of positives that are going to come out of this, including I think you probably saw this, that once you have a better 18th street, people will be able to bike from downtown Oakland all the way to Peralta and Campbell and Wood Street in West Oakland, which is now the Oakland Ballers’ stadium. So people are very excited that they’ll be able to take a straight shot from downtown Oakland and just bike to the games.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:57] I mean, how much safer do you think this is going to make 18th Street? Is it is it pretty significant? Are people really hopeful?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:09:04] I think anytime you add new infrastructure to a road that has been basically untouched for decades, it will definitely make a difference. How much of a difference? We don’t actually know, but sometimes it is surprising. I mentioned High Street earlier. That was always a really difficult road. I used to take it as a kid with my grandfather to go to the A’s games and that was always a nightmare and just in the last few years when they added infrastructure there, including speed bumps with the little spaces. If you take that street now, which is in East Oakland, you can see that it literally does feel safer. I never wanted to cross the street on high street and now I feel there’s a couple of really nice restaurants over there, including a Jamaican restaurant that I like. And I’ve actually thought a couple times where I’m like, oh, I want to go to that restaurant and I don’t have this abject fear of having to park across or on the other side of the street to go there. So this might lead to a couple other developments that are unexpected, you know, maybe more people. Might be willing to have small businesses or another grocery store or a restaurant on 18th Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:24] That’s really interesting to think about how improving the road paves the way, if I may use that term, for maybe helping us to think about the potential opportunities in the community. Having more people walking around, I imagine, might encourage other kinds of development, maybe, in this area that didn’t maybe feel possible before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:10:51] Absolutely. And again, this goes back to the Mandela station development. And this is why they kind of need to change this road. Because if you think about a 240 unit, affordable housing complex, then you’re going to have, you know, a thousand more people hanging out in that area. And you can’t have another thousand people at least walking up and down an absolutely dangerous road.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:15] In terms of the timeline, Jose, of this 18th Street project, you mentioned the spring, but I’m wondering about, I guess, the money that it takes to do this kind of stuff and also the political will. How much of a priority would you say this is for the city?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:11:35] Over the last, especially over the last five, six years, the changing of the roads has been a gigantic and important thing that the city has really focused on changing because it got to such a point that it was affecting your daily life. Politicians that pay attention and wanna serve their community and serve their residents in a way that really matters, pay attention to what people say. And so… I think they looked at it and they also were seeing some of the data. Only a couple of Did I actually start to see city council members list out specifically changes in road conditions as one of their top line first page goals of their administration? All this stuff that seems very, very basic, it became such a part of our environment in Oakland to expect nothing. I think at some point people were just like fed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:41] My last question for you, Jose, I mean, we’ve been talking about just this one street in Oakland, but I wonder what this story about 18th Street says about hopes for improving streets and road safety citywide and even across the whole Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:13:00] What I mentioned earlier about the politicians knowing how important this issue is, is something that is replicated across cities, counties, and increasingly across states. People are seeing how much these changes can make to a city. When people come here and they want to see what’s happening, you might hear about and see a lot of these other positive changes. But if your streets are absolutely crap, you’re gonna be like, well, is it really, is Oakland really on the come up? Is it really doing well? But if the streets are doing well, if they’re well-developed and it feels like it’s safe to be there, to walk around in, that just becomes part of the story and it’s feels. A much better positive environment to be in, potentially bring in a new family, you know, with kids and everything.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:13:55] I guess if you see kids on 18th Street, that’s a good sign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:13:58] If you see kids anywhere, that’s a good sign. Yeah, it shows that the infrastructure is better, that there’s good schools and that parents feel comfortable enough.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"\" title=\"\">\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:36] How would you describe what it’s like to drive or walk or even bike on 18th Street?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:01:56] This is an old arterial road in West Oakland that actually led up to the old Cypress Highway, which obviously, if people remember, before the 1989 earthquake, used to lead from Oakland into San Francisco, and then it fell during the 1989 Earthquake. It’s dangerous less because of the potholes and more because of width of the street. There’s a lot of academic research that says that the wider. A local road is, the more likely it is that people will speed on it just because of psychological and visual reasons. The other thing is that there’s not a ton of traffic slowing infrastructure on it. There’s not modern street lights. You don’t really have bulb outs, which are the little, you know, little corner sections of a sidewalk at an intersection that jut out into the section in the little Sections of it that do have a stop sign. They’re like way on the side. You can’t really see it. People just don’t treat it like a normal street From 2019 to 2023, there were 16 collisions on 18th Street, including three that involved cyclists. I double-checked some of this data, and I didn’t see that any of those collisions were deaths. A few of them were serious injuries. But 18th street, still just because it didn’t lead to any people dying last year, doesn’t mean that it’s not dangerous. Sometimes this means that the community understands how dangerous it is and actually does not try to use it or cross it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:44] Yeah, that’s actually, I’d say something I heard as well from colleagues who live in Oakland is that even if it might be faster for them to take 18th Street to get home, they’re going the longer way, just to avoid walking on that street or driving on it. And if they have to bike on it, they’re biking on the sidewalk. They’re not biking on that actual street itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:04:08] I saw that too yesterday, yeah, I saw a couple of people use the sidewalk as a mini bicycle highway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:17] What kind of changes exactly are they going to make to 18th Street to make it safer?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:04:24] So on 18th Street, we’re going to have new protected intersections, pedestrian safety islands. There’s also going to be a road diet, which means that the road itself is going to narrow. In the map and plans that I’ve seen, I’ve seen all-way stops, which means that they won’t just put a stop red signal on the side of the road, but they will actually put a pole at the top where you see it right as you’re driving. And so it’s right in front of your face. So one of the worst things that they’re trying to figure out all across the city is to figure out how to get people to pay more attention when they’re turning right into the street. A lot of people everywhere will get to a stop sign and even if it’s not their green go, they’ll see a red and then they’ll turn right often while you’re looking to your left. It’s the quick turn, right? Well, what my grandfather used to say, the California turn. You’re not actually stopping, which means that if somebody’s coming from your right side, a lot of are getting hit by that. And so this project has protected intersections where you have this like little V, little concrete portion that is jutting out into the street where you’re literally, it’s physically impossible to do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:54] They have a lot of those on Telegraph Avenue, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:05:57] You’ve had some of them on Telegraph Avenue, yep. I think High Street also has a bunch of them now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:03] I mean, it just sounds to me like they’re adding things on to 18th Street that maybe most of us aren’t even thinking about as we’re driving, but they’re just things that psychologically help us to slow down, drive more safely on a street like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:06:23] And what I would also say is that it’s like science in terms of the encouragement of it, right? So if you have a terrible street, like 18th street, yes, I had the responsibility to look out for these signals, responsibility to drive responsibly. But when the street is not giving me any signals about what to do, then it is also encouraging me to not do the right thing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:57] Coming up, how road fixes could unlock broader improvements to the city of Oakland. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:20] Can you talk about why I guess this is happening? It seems like this has been a long time coming. Where is the money coming from to even do this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:07:24] I believe that this is coming from a affordable housing and sustainable communities grant, which is connected to housing complex development at Mandela station, which is right next to the West Oakland BART station. This is actually happening a lot now, where the Oak Dot transportation department is working with other projects and other departments in the city in order to kind of, you know, I would almost call it like mooch off or like add to their little pile of money of what they’re doing so that the construction and the design of it all becomes cheaper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:02] And it happens all in one go, right? If you’re gonna build a large building and block it all off, you might as well fix this street too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:08:11] That’s right. And what I heard about this project was that they’ve been ready. The planning and design of 18th Street has been ready to go, but they’ve been waiting for this housing part of it to really start going. And that’s going to happen this spring, finally. I think that there’s a lot of positives that are going to come out of this, including I think you probably saw this, that once you have a better 18th street, people will be able to bike from downtown Oakland all the way to Peralta and Campbell and Wood Street in West Oakland, which is now the Oakland Ballers’ stadium. So people are very excited that they’ll be able to take a straight shot from downtown Oakland and just bike to the games.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:57] I mean, how much safer do you think this is going to make 18th Street? Is it is it pretty significant? Are people really hopeful?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:09:04] I think anytime you add new infrastructure to a road that has been basically untouched for decades, it will definitely make a difference. How much of a difference? We don’t actually know, but sometimes it is surprising. I mentioned High Street earlier. That was always a really difficult road. I used to take it as a kid with my grandfather to go to the A’s games and that was always a nightmare and just in the last few years when they added infrastructure there, including speed bumps with the little spaces. If you take that street now, which is in East Oakland, you can see that it literally does feel safer. I never wanted to cross the street on high street and now I feel there’s a couple of really nice restaurants over there, including a Jamaican restaurant that I like. And I’ve actually thought a couple times where I’m like, oh, I want to go to that restaurant and I don’t have this abject fear of having to park across or on the other side of the street to go there. So this might lead to a couple other developments that are unexpected, you know, maybe more people. Might be willing to have small businesses or another grocery store or a restaurant on 18th Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:24] That’s really interesting to think about how improving the road paves the way, if I may use that term, for maybe helping us to think about the potential opportunities in the community. Having more people walking around, I imagine, might encourage other kinds of development, maybe, in this area that didn’t maybe feel possible before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:10:51] Absolutely. And again, this goes back to the Mandela station development. And this is why they kind of need to change this road. Because if you think about a 240 unit, affordable housing complex, then you’re going to have, you know, a thousand more people hanging out in that area. And you can’t have another thousand people at least walking up and down an absolutely dangerous road.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:15] In terms of the timeline, Jose, of this 18th Street project, you mentioned the spring, but I’m wondering about, I guess, the money that it takes to do this kind of stuff and also the political will. How much of a priority would you say this is for the city?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:11:35] Over the last, especially over the last five, six years, the changing of the roads has been a gigantic and important thing that the city has really focused on changing because it got to such a point that it was affecting your daily life. Politicians that pay attention and wanna serve their community and serve their residents in a way that really matters, pay attention to what people say. And so… I think they looked at it and they also were seeing some of the data. Only a couple of Did I actually start to see city council members list out specifically changes in road conditions as one of their top line first page goals of their administration? All this stuff that seems very, very basic, it became such a part of our environment in Oakland to expect nothing. I think at some point people were just like fed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:41] My last question for you, Jose, I mean, we’ve been talking about just this one street in Oakland, but I wonder what this story about 18th Street says about hopes for improving streets and road safety citywide and even across the whole Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:13:00] What I mentioned earlier about the politicians knowing how important this issue is, is something that is replicated across cities, counties, and increasingly across states. People are seeing how much these changes can make to a city. When people come here and they want to see what’s happening, you might hear about and see a lot of these other positive changes. But if your streets are absolutely crap, you’re gonna be like, well, is it really, is Oakland really on the come up? Is it really doing well? But if the streets are doing well, if they’re well-developed and it feels like it’s safe to be there, to walk around in, that just becomes part of the story and it’s feels. A much better positive environment to be in, potentially bring in a new family, you know, with kids and everything.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:13:55] I guess if you see kids on 18th Street, that’s a good sign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jose Fermoso \u003c/strong>[00:13:58] If you see kids anywhere, that’s a good sign. Yeah, it shows that the infrastructure is better, that there’s good schools and that parents feel comfortable enough.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The 67 is Muni’s most delayed bus line, snaking through the hills along Alemany Boulevard and Bernal Heights, ending at the 24th and Mission BART station. However unreliable it can be, it still serves an estimated 800 daily riders. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But as SFMTA faces a budget deficit of more than $300 million in July, the 67 and other bus lines are at risk of disappearing if voters don’t approve \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12074874/amid-bid-to-save-bay-area-transit-muni-gets-a-campaign-of-its-own\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ballot measures to fund transit this November.\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Links:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12073883/its-san-franciscos-most-delayed-bus-for-riders-a-frustrating-problem-may-get-worse\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s San Francisco’s Most Delayed Bus. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Ericka Cruz-Gavara and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted. Bay Area transit agencies have drawn up nightmare scenarios if they can’t get enough money to help them close their budget deficits. Those nightmare scenarios include the elimination of the red and green BART lines, no BART or Muni after 9 p.m., and, if you can even imagine it, a San Francisco without cable cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:00:35] If that money isn’t raised, then we could see some really big changes to service in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:43] SFMTA, which is the agency that runs Muni, says it could cut entire bus lines if voters don’t approve ballot measures to fund transit this November. And even though some of those lines aren’t used by a ton of people, cutting them will impact entire neighborhoods. Today, we take you aboard one such bus line in San Francisco, Muni’s most delayed bus to meet the riders who rely on it every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:01:24] People actually call the 67 a rollercoaster because it goes over so many hills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:32] Elize Manoukian is a reporter for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:01:36] It starts at Alemany and then just climbs up to the top of Bernal Heights Park. Beautiful park, has a view of the whole bay and a great view of downtown San Francisco. And then it sort of snakes its way down to 24th Street Mission and then back again. You can ride the whole loop in 25 minutes. It’s also visually kind of funny, it’s only 30 feet long, like about half of a normal bus. It’s diesel powered, because they really have to be chugging up those hills. One of the passengers I talked to for this story, he told me that he puts his backpack on top of his knees so that in case he slides into the seat in front of him, he has a little cushion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:26] And who is riding this bus?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:02:28] It serves a pretty diverse swath of neighborhood residents, everyone from the people who live at the Alemany Apartments, which is a affordable housing complex. It also climbs up through the Bernal Heights hilly neighborhood, which has a lot of single-family homes, a lot of wealthier tech residents in the city. I see a lot of kids take it to school. It serves Paul Revere Elementary and a couple other schools in the mission in Bernal Heights. And then of course it serves the people who live in the Mission right by 24th Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:06] And is it often like a crowded bus? Are people like standing on this roller coaster?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:03:11] Not really. It’s quite, it can get a little busy during the morning commute, but it only gets about 800 riders per day, which is down from half before the pandemic. That’s a pretty low volume route. You know, some of the busses, like the 38, will serve up to 25,000 people a day. It’s a smaller neighborhood route that connects people from neighborhood to neighborhood, as opposed to taking them straight to downtown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:40] And you are someone who frequently uses this bus, is that right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:03:43] Yeah, I’m right off of Courtland Street, and so I take it to get to 24th Street BART all the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:51] Just besides the fact that you ride it, what is so special about the 67? Why did you want to focus on this particular bus line in your reporting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:04:00] Well, I agree. I think it is a very magical line, but yeah, it also is the most delayed bus in San Francisco, which I learned one day when I was trying to take it to BART so I could go see my friend in Oakland on Valentine’s Day. And it never came. And it made me wonder, like, is this a common experience? And I found out that one in 67’s will depart very late.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gil Diaz \u003c/strong>[00:04:27] So if I miss one bus, I could be waiting 20, 30 minutes for the next one, maybe longer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:04:33] I also talked to a guy named Gil Diaz. He also rides the 67 and he gets on at the same stop as me and he takes it to 24th Street and then goes to work from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gil Diaz \u003c/strong>[00:04:44] I just noticed that there’s a gap between pickups. Yeah, I get that anxiety. Like, oh, every minute’s counting because it’s going to affect the next bus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:04:54] You know, the bus runs every 20 minutes, so if one doesn’t come or one is very delayed, then you can be waiting like almost an hour for it to show up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:04] That’s the worst feeling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:05] I know, especially on a cold San Francisco chilly day, you know?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:08] Totally. And then what do you do if you miss the bus? Like what are your options?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:17] You know, there’s always another bus, luckily Muni is really well connected, but you can end up taking a completely different route, having to travel to different corners of the city to get to where you need to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:28] Going up and down those hills on foot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:30] That’s true, you can always take the “chevro-legs” and just climb up the hill, climb up to the top of Bernal Heights and climb down, which is really a workout.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:41] I mean, why is this particular line the most delayed bus in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:48] So I asked SFMTA the same question, and it really does have to do with the steep grades of the route, the very sharp turns that it has to make as it snakes around the Bernal Heights Hill and around these very narrow streets and neighborhoods. I asked if it had to do with a Muni operator shortage or a vehicle shortage, and they told me that there wasn’t one at this time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:17] A lot of people still rely on the 67, it sounds like, but it could actually also go away, right? Can you explain the sort of looming threats to SFMTA and also lines like the 67?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:06:31] So like other transit agencies in the Bay, the SFMTA is in trouble. It’s facing a more than $300 million deficit starting in July. And that number is only projected to grow over the next couple of years because of things like rising costs and lower fare revenue since the pandemic. So the SFMTA, they’re looking at a lot of different scenarios to help them work through this. One of them is a parcel tax on the ballot in November. There’s also a second regional tax that people across the Bay Area can vote on. Part of the revenue raised by that sales tax will go to fund Muni.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:16] As well as BART.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:07:19] Exactly. AC Transit, among others. But, you know, that’s all hypothetical at this point. If that money isn’t raised, then we could see some really big changes to service in San Francisco. And one of the proposed changes would be cutting the 67, which, yeah, like I said, serves a really hilly community and there is no parallel line and 11 other lines like it which also serve hilly neighborhoods, could also be impacted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:51] Is SFMTA doing to try and prove that it is still worth funding? I mean, with these ballot measures going before voters, I imagine they want to make a good case that they’re worth keeping around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:08:07] Definitely. And I will say, the SFMTA actually just released its ridership survey for the year, and it got really, really high reviews from San Francisco residents. I think it was something like 78% said that they had good or excellent experiences with Muni. So I think that people are happy with the service that they’re getting for the most part. But they’re also trying some kind of interesting things, too, to improve their service, especially since the pandemic, when a lot of lines were cut pretty much overnight, but some people still needed to get around the city. So one thing that they did was switch their busier lines, like the 38, the 22, and the 1, they switched those busier lines over to a system that’s called headway. So instead of operating on traditional bus schedules, they switched to intervals. They really focused on making sure that busses were spaced out evenly instead of adhering to a strict schedule. So instead if your bus coming right at 3 p.m., your bus would come every 10 minutes or every five minutes for some of these busier lines. And they said that they were getting really positive feedback from that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brent Jones \u003c/strong>[00:09:26] The whole idea is to stay flexible and nimble and be able to adjust our service with the actual customer needs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:09:34] Brent Jones is the director of transit for SFMTA. He’s been with the agency for nearly three decades. And he was there when they decided to make this switch over from a schedule-based system for the busier lines over to this thing that’s called headway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brent Jones \u003c/strong>[00:09:51] So what we found was that we had less issues with people being upset about their vehicle being late as opposed to, hey, but even if I see it pulling off, I know another one will be there within 10 minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:05] Yeah, I feel like that is something that would help me as someone who’s not really always interested in checking which bus I should take. It’s good to just show up to a bus stop and know that if there’s not one there, there will at least be one in 10 minutes or less, essentially.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:10:22] Yeah, you know that it’s going to come and that you’re not going to see like three busses bunched up and then one doesn’t come for half an hour. It’s going be more regular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:31] And so is this happening with the 67 as well?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:10:36] No, it’s not. Because the 67 is a smaller line and it comes every 20 minutes, it doesn’t make sense for the agency to make this change for all of its busses in circulation. So about half of them are still on schedules and then half of the have switched over to this kind of experimental system. Out of all of these lower volume routes, which are still on schedules, only 56% of them depart on time, which is still not great. But at least they’re trying the headway and it’s getting them some better results for the busier lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:12] There are these efforts like this parcel tax in San Francisco, this region-wide ballot measure to try and prevent these worst-case scenarios where lines like the 67 go away completely. Do we know how helpful some of these efforts might actually be?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:11:30] I think they would be a game changer. I think collectively they would raise enough to be able to allow it to keep operating. And they would for sure stop it from having to make major reductions, not just to service, but also to staff and to some of their other projects, like improving bus stops across the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:51] And saving the 67.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:11:52] And saving the 67.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:55] I mean, if it went away, like, what would that mean for you and all the other folks who rely on it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:12:03] For people who are trying to connect from these hilly neighborhoods to BART, their commutes are gonna be a lot more challenging. For the kids who are trying to get from the Alemany Apartments to their middle school across the street, it’s gonna be, a lot, it’s going to be a really long, difficult walk every morning. So, yeah, it would definitely throw a wrench in people’s mornings. I love the 67 community and I love the bus drivers on it. Shouts out to Hannibal Thompson, who’s one of my favorite drivers. And I hope that they stay, they stick around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:39] Hope it sticks around for you and all those kids. Thank you so much for joining me, Elize. I appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:12:45] Thanks for letting me talk about my bus.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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Those nightmare scenarios include the elimination of the red and green BART lines, no BART or Muni after 9 p.m., and, if you can even imagine it, a San Francisco without cable cars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:00:35] If that money isn’t raised, then we could see some really big changes to service in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:43] SFMTA, which is the agency that runs Muni, says it could cut entire bus lines if voters don’t approve ballot measures to fund transit this November. And even though some of those lines aren’t used by a ton of people, cutting them will impact entire neighborhoods. Today, we take you aboard one such bus line in San Francisco, Muni’s most delayed bus to meet the riders who rely on it every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:01:24] People actually call the 67 a rollercoaster because it goes over so many hills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:32] Elize Manoukian is a reporter for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:01:36] It starts at Alemany and then just climbs up to the top of Bernal Heights Park. Beautiful park, has a view of the whole bay and a great view of downtown San Francisco. And then it sort of snakes its way down to 24th Street Mission and then back again. You can ride the whole loop in 25 minutes. It’s also visually kind of funny, it’s only 30 feet long, like about half of a normal bus. It’s diesel powered, because they really have to be chugging up those hills. One of the passengers I talked to for this story, he told me that he puts his backpack on top of his knees so that in case he slides into the seat in front of him, he has a little cushion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:26] And who is riding this bus?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:02:28] It serves a pretty diverse swath of neighborhood residents, everyone from the people who live at the Alemany Apartments, which is a affordable housing complex. It also climbs up through the Bernal Heights hilly neighborhood, which has a lot of single-family homes, a lot of wealthier tech residents in the city. I see a lot of kids take it to school. It serves Paul Revere Elementary and a couple other schools in the mission in Bernal Heights. And then of course it serves the people who live in the Mission right by 24th Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:06] And is it often like a crowded bus? Are people like standing on this roller coaster?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:03:11] Not really. It’s quite, it can get a little busy during the morning commute, but it only gets about 800 riders per day, which is down from half before the pandemic. That’s a pretty low volume route. You know, some of the busses, like the 38, will serve up to 25,000 people a day. It’s a smaller neighborhood route that connects people from neighborhood to neighborhood, as opposed to taking them straight to downtown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:40] And you are someone who frequently uses this bus, is that right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:03:43] Yeah, I’m right off of Courtland Street, and so I take it to get to 24th Street BART all the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:51] Just besides the fact that you ride it, what is so special about the 67? Why did you want to focus on this particular bus line in your reporting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:04:00] Well, I agree. I think it is a very magical line, but yeah, it also is the most delayed bus in San Francisco, which I learned one day when I was trying to take it to BART so I could go see my friend in Oakland on Valentine’s Day. And it never came. And it made me wonder, like, is this a common experience? And I found out that one in 67’s will depart very late.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gil Diaz \u003c/strong>[00:04:27] So if I miss one bus, I could be waiting 20, 30 minutes for the next one, maybe longer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:04:33] I also talked to a guy named Gil Diaz. He also rides the 67 and he gets on at the same stop as me and he takes it to 24th Street and then goes to work from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gil Diaz \u003c/strong>[00:04:44] I just noticed that there’s a gap between pickups. Yeah, I get that anxiety. Like, oh, every minute’s counting because it’s going to affect the next bus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:04:54] You know, the bus runs every 20 minutes, so if one doesn’t come or one is very delayed, then you can be waiting like almost an hour for it to show up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:04] That’s the worst feeling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:05] I know, especially on a cold San Francisco chilly day, you know?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:08] Totally. And then what do you do if you miss the bus? Like what are your options?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:17] You know, there’s always another bus, luckily Muni is really well connected, but you can end up taking a completely different route, having to travel to different corners of the city to get to where you need to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:28] Going up and down those hills on foot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:30] That’s true, you can always take the “chevro-legs” and just climb up the hill, climb up to the top of Bernal Heights and climb down, which is really a workout.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:41] I mean, why is this particular line the most delayed bus in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:05:48] So I asked SFMTA the same question, and it really does have to do with the steep grades of the route, the very sharp turns that it has to make as it snakes around the Bernal Heights Hill and around these very narrow streets and neighborhoods. I asked if it had to do with a Muni operator shortage or a vehicle shortage, and they told me that there wasn’t one at this time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:17] A lot of people still rely on the 67, it sounds like, but it could actually also go away, right? Can you explain the sort of looming threats to SFMTA and also lines like the 67?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:06:31] So like other transit agencies in the Bay, the SFMTA is in trouble. It’s facing a more than $300 million deficit starting in July. And that number is only projected to grow over the next couple of years because of things like rising costs and lower fare revenue since the pandemic. So the SFMTA, they’re looking at a lot of different scenarios to help them work through this. One of them is a parcel tax on the ballot in November. There’s also a second regional tax that people across the Bay Area can vote on. Part of the revenue raised by that sales tax will go to fund Muni.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:16] As well as BART.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:07:19] Exactly. AC Transit, among others. But, you know, that’s all hypothetical at this point. If that money isn’t raised, then we could see some really big changes to service in San Francisco. And one of the proposed changes would be cutting the 67, which, yeah, like I said, serves a really hilly community and there is no parallel line and 11 other lines like it which also serve hilly neighborhoods, could also be impacted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:51] Is SFMTA doing to try and prove that it is still worth funding? 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So instead of operating on traditional bus schedules, they switched to intervals. They really focused on making sure that busses were spaced out evenly instead of adhering to a strict schedule. So instead if your bus coming right at 3 p.m., your bus would come every 10 minutes or every five minutes for some of these busier lines. And they said that they were getting really positive feedback from that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brent Jones \u003c/strong>[00:09:26] The whole idea is to stay flexible and nimble and be able to adjust our service with the actual customer needs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Elize Manoukian \u003c/strong>[00:09:34] Brent Jones is the director of transit for SFMTA. He’s been with the agency for nearly three decades. 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