Kyana Moghadam is a senior producer at KQED. Prior to joining KQED, she was an audio producer and editor with Al Jazeera, Jetty Studios, VOX Media, Democracy Now!, and Global Press.
By Kyana Moghadam
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At a recent press conference, members of San Jose’s Japanese American community also spoke out, drawing parallels to the incarceration of Japanese Americans during World War II.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-megaphone wp-block-embed-megaphone\">\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC1862873733\n\u003c/div>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco-Northern California Local.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Episode transcript\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This transcript is computer-generated. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted. Back in April, Rebeca Armendariz got a message from someone in her community of Gilroy. Rumors were spreading of an immigration and customs enforcement facility coming to the city, where about 60% of the population identify as Hispanic or Latino, many of whom are also immigrants.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rebeca Armendariz: \u003c/strong>We have lots of farm workers. We have farm workers that come documented, and we have farm work that migrate from Yuma and Texas and other parts of the Southwest.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Now it’s in this community where immigration and customs enforcement plans to build a 4,000 square foot facility that state and county leaders say will be an ICE detention center. And advocates warn that it could be used to hold immigrants not just from Gilroy, but from across the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rebeca Armendariz: \u003c/strong>This is an issue that is impacting all of us, and that’s why all of us have to come together and fight against this deportation machine.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The state, along with dozens of cities, counties, and multi-ethnic community groups are now fighting to stop the ICE facility from being built. And long-time Gilroy residents like Armendariz say they’re ready for this fight.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rebeca Armendariz: \u003c/strong>We’ve been organizing for decades, for generations, in my community, like my parents before me and others before them. I feel like we are in a place that we’re not fighting this alone, where I have, you know, dozens and dozens of other activists and community members who will also put themselves on the line and to fight back with all we have, right, with all we’ve got.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, the Bay Area’s fight against an ICE facility in Gilroy. So, Joseph, just to start, what do we know so far and at this point about the federal government’s plans for a potential detention center in the city of Gilroy?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>Most of what we know is from documents that are filed as part of a lawsuit against ICE and against the federal government. That’s been brought by Santa Clara County and the state attorney general’s office.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Joseph Geha covers the South Bay for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>And basically what the, what the lawsuit shows is that the federal government, ICE essentially wants to redevelop this 25 acre property on Holsclaw road. It’s a essentially a piece of farmland to, you know, make it an office for ICE operations and it would include concrete reinforced holding rooms for detainees. Santa Clara County and the state are basically alleging that this office would hold about 60 employees and possibly up to 150 detainees.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That’s interesting. So it sounds like the details that we know so far are not necessarily coming from the federal government or the Trump administration itself, but from this lawsuit from Santa Clara County and the state attorney general, essentially suing ICE and the federal government to try and stop this detention center from being built, right?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>That’s correct. The county and the state say they had county investigators kind of taking a look at the property and watching it closely. And it was in late April that they started seeing fences go up. There was demolition taking place. So like, they’re very clear in their lawsuit that the government has started to develop this and started to do work on the site and then, you know, done a lease there and everything all in secret. At a high level, Santa Clara County and the state are arguing that, first of all, this property used to be used recently as an agricultural research facility where pesticides were often being tested. So there’s a lot of hazardous materials at the site and they are worried that that also makes it an inappropriate place for this facility. They’re also saying that the government is violating intergovernmental cooperation laws, essentially saying that federal government started developing this in secret and really told the county and the state nothing about this and that goes against laws where they are you know required to solicit the input of the communities that they’re intending to build or develop in and that this site is inappropriate and not allowed essentially to become a non-agricultural use without you know explicit permission from the county.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Or not an appropriate place to house more than 100 potential people for long periods of time.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>That too, yeah. It’s been reported widely in media and other lawsuits that the Trump administration’s facilities for ICE and detention centers and temporary holding centers and offices have all kind of violated rights of people in their own right. That they’re not providing proper, you know, hygiene facilities, water, food, bathrooms, you know, sleeping sites. So that people are actually being held in very subpar, you cruel conditions. I think the concern from the county and the state is that it would indeed kind of bring that cruelty to their backyard.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And there’s some precedent for that concern, right? Because we have sort of seen the Trump administration in the last two years really beefing up detention centers across not just California, but the country, right.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>That’s right. I mean, the government is and has kind of publicized the fact that it is rapidly expanding its deportation program. And as a part of that is purchasing all kinds of facilities. ICE as an agency has kind of touted from the top down that they are getting more funding and that this should not be a surprise that they’re going to continue to push these operations forward.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Do we know why they’re looking at building this facility in Gilroy specifically?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>ICE itself and the federal government have not said very much about this site until recently. They told the Sacramento Bee in late July that this site is not for a detention center. A spokesperson for ICE said the South Bay facility would be for an ICE office that will support local operations and the enforcement of federal immigration laws. So even when they’re offering a statement, ICE has been pretty vague. But, if you listen to the concern from advocates, you know, they are saying that this is essentially a part of the Bay Area. It’s close to the central coast. It’s in South Santa Clara County, Gilroy within the county. These places are heavily immigrant rich communities, and this is something that has really concerned folks up and down the Bay Area here.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rebeca Armendariz: \u003c/strong>Our local coalition has pulled together folks from Soledad to Stockton, Morgan Hill to Monterey because we know that if they build this gallery processing center and they open the Dublin Detention Center, they will fill it with our people from the Central Coast to the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>But one of the most outspoken folks against this facility and a person who has really stood up for social justice issues in the South Bay is Rebeca Armendariz. She’s a former Gilroy council member and she currently is associated with Working Partnerships USA, which is a nonprofit in the south Bay.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rebeca Armendariz: \u003c/strong>Leaders from Monterey, Santa Cruz, San Benito, and even Marin County have joined a dozen cities and others to sign on to an amicus brief in support of our lawsuit. They know that ICE will raid workplaces, schools, malls, neighborhoods, hospitals, and even places of worship. We see that our community will suffer together as they always have, but that’s why together we will gather, we will strategize, we’ll organize, and continue to fight together so that we will win back our country.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up how the rest of the Bay Area is responding to the ICE facility in Gilroy. By the way, if you appreciate the local deep dives that we bring you here on The Bay, consider becoming a sustaining KQED member. KQED members are the backbone of our journalism here. Join the thousands of people who make it all happen. Just go to donate.kqed.org slash podcasts. We’ll be right back. You have specifically been reporting on the reaction from surrounding communities near and around Gilroy and their response to this potential detention center there. And it seems like the concern has really stretched beyond Gilroy itself.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>The reaction was very strong. I mean, community members from Gilroy, uh, of course, but as well as San Jose and other Santa Clara County residents were coming together to call attention to this, I think a list of something like 25 or more cities and counties have signed onto this lawsuit to say that they, uh also oppose this and we’re talking about, yes, like the entire, you know, Monterey County board of supervisors, along with like small places like the city of Alameda in the Bay. Agricultural cities like Watsonville, but also Sunnyvale where Google and other major companies are based. Also yes, individually in local communities we’re seeing pockets of resistance. One community in particular that I think has really expressed a deep concern and connection to this issue is the Japanese American community in San Jose. So recently I went to a press conference and a rally in Japantown.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Press Conference: \u003c/strong>We will never be defeated!\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What was the idea behind this press conference? Why were folks there to speak out?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>It was like a whole coalition, like basically several different groups of people, but it was led by local Japanese American groups. One of them is called the San Jose Nikkei Resisters and the Neighbors Not Enemy Coalition of San Jose. And they’re drawing connections from the Japanese American community to the past, to the pretty recent past of, you know, the incarceration of Japanese Americans at concentration camps during World War II.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Susan Hayase \u003c/strong>You know, when we see people dragged away, we think of our grandparents and we think of our parents. We feel it deeply.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>One of the main organizers of the San Jose Nikkei Resisters, the co-founder, is this person named Susan Hayase. And Susan is a person who’s been in the fight, I would say, for a long time. 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But today, unfortunately, it’s too late to just say never again. The thing we feared is happening again now. In World War II, there were 75 confinement sites. Today, there are over 200, and there are reports of horrifying subhuman conditions. In World war II, over 125,000 were detained. Today, almost 400,000 have been arrested by ICE. Over 51 have died in ICE custody, and the number of those being shot in the street is growing.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>It was not just Japanese Americans at this press conference. Certainly that was, I think, the focus of the day. But the point drawn by several speakers there is that this coalition, these various groups of people from around the community, were multiethnic, right? Different generations, different ages, different cultural backgrounds, different religions. And they’re all here to kind of say that this is not the right direction for this community.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What is the status of things now?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>With the lawsuit, things right now are kind of in a holding pattern. So part of the ask of the lawsuit the big driving force of the lawsuits to stop this, right? But in the meantime, the county and the state have also filed a request with the courts for a preliminary injunction. Essentially meaning, can we put a court order to hold on everything until this litigation is done? And as part of kind of like a scheduling compromise with the federal government, they have agreed. To halt all operations there, like construction and demolition, until at least September 9th. And that right around then is going to be a court hearing on this request for preliminary injunction. So we may know more by early September about whether or not a court is going to have a favorable view of the lawsuit brought by Santa Clara County and the state.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, one thing I’m thinking about is I feel like we’ve really seen the South Bay, Santa Clara County, really coming out against the Trump administration and ICE since the start of Trump’s second administration. I mean things like bans on masks for ICE in the county, for example. Is it safe to say that this is kind of just like another frontier in the South Bay’s pushback against the trump administration’s policies on immigration?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>I think you hit the nail on the head. Santa Clara County, cities like San Jose and others here that represent a lot of people have, yes, taken steps to signal where their values are, to say that we’re in new territory here. We haven’t dealt with a federal administration like this that has gone after our people so aggressively and in ways that we believe violate myriad laws. So what we’re going to do is set up as many laws, protections, funding apparatus as possible. Within reason to make sure that our community members know that they are supported locally. That this immigrant rich community, city and county are not alone in this fight.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well Joseph, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>Thank you, Ericka. It’s always great talking to you.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Susan Hayase \u003c/strong>I think that sometimes people get used to bad news, you know, they become calloused. But I think in order to make this system work, everybody has to participate. In that same spirit, we can and should protest, object and resist today’s brutal, unlawful ICE, policies. Moi chiro. Let’s do it again.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Crowd: \u003c/strong>Woo!\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Joseph Geha who covers the South Bay for KQED. This episode was cut down and edited by Kyana Moghadam and me. Gabriela Glueck is our producer. She scored this episode and added all the tape. She also conducted the interview that you heard with Rebeca Armendariz. Music courtesy of APM and Audio Network. If you ever want to get in touch with us here at the Bay. You could send us an email at thebay.kqed.org. The Bay is a production of listener-supported KQED public media. Support for The Bay is provided in part by the Osher Production Fund. Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by the Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco, Northern California Local. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thank you so much for listening. 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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>That too, yeah. It’s been reported widely in media and other lawsuits that the Trump administration’s facilities for ICE and detention centers and temporary holding centers and offices have all kind of violated rights of people in their own right. That they’re not providing proper, you know, hygiene facilities, water, food, bathrooms, you know, sleeping sites. So that people are actually being held in very subpar, you cruel conditions. I think the concern from the county and the state is that it would indeed kind of bring that cruelty to their backyard.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And there’s some precedent for that concern, right? Because we have sort of seen the Trump administration in the last two years really beefing up detention centers across not just California, but the country, right.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>That’s right. I mean, the government is and has kind of publicized the fact that it is rapidly expanding its deportation program. And as a part of that is purchasing all kinds of facilities. ICE as an agency has kind of touted from the top down that they are getting more funding and that this should not be a surprise that they’re going to continue to push these operations forward.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Do we know why they’re looking at building this facility in Gilroy specifically?\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>ICE itself and the federal government have not said very much about this site until recently. They told the Sacramento Bee in late July that this site is not for a detention center. A spokesperson for ICE said the South Bay facility would be for an ICE office that will support local operations and the enforcement of federal immigration laws. So even when they’re offering a statement, ICE has been pretty vague. But, if you listen to the concern from advocates, you know, they are saying that this is essentially a part of the Bay Area. It’s close to the central coast. It’s in South Santa Clara County, Gilroy within the county. These places are heavily immigrant rich communities, and this is something that has really concerned folks up and down the Bay Area here.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>But one of the most outspoken folks against this facility and a person who has really stood up for social justice issues in the South Bay is Rebeca Armendariz. She’s a former Gilroy council member and she currently is associated with Working Partnerships USA, which is a nonprofit in the south Bay.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rebeca Armendariz: \u003c/strong>Leaders from Monterey, Santa Cruz, San Benito, and even Marin County have joined a dozen cities and others to sign on to an amicus brief in support of our lawsuit. They know that ICE will raid workplaces, schools, malls, neighborhoods, hospitals, and even places of worship. We see that our community will suffer together as they always have, but that’s why together we will gather, we will strategize, we’ll organize, and continue to fight together so that we will win back our country.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up how the rest of the Bay Area is responding to the ICE facility in Gilroy. By the way, if you appreciate the local deep dives that we bring you here on The Bay, consider becoming a sustaining KQED member. KQED members are the backbone of our journalism here. Join the thousands of people who make it all happen. Just go to donate.kqed.org slash podcasts. We’ll be right back. You have specifically been reporting on the reaction from surrounding communities near and around Gilroy and their response to this potential detention center there. And it seems like the concern has really stretched beyond Gilroy itself.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>The reaction was very strong. I mean, community members from Gilroy, uh, of course, but as well as San Jose and other Santa Clara County residents were coming together to call attention to this, I think a list of something like 25 or more cities and counties have signed onto this lawsuit to say that they, uh also oppose this and we’re talking about, yes, like the entire, you know, Monterey County board of supervisors, along with like small places like the city of Alameda in the Bay. Agricultural cities like Watsonville, but also Sunnyvale where Google and other major companies are based. Also yes, individually in local communities we’re seeing pockets of resistance. One community in particular that I think has really expressed a deep concern and connection to this issue is the Japanese American community in San Jose. So recently I went to a press conference and a rally in Japantown.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>It was like a whole coalition, like basically several different groups of people, but it was led by local Japanese American groups. One of them is called the San Jose Nikkei Resisters and the Neighbors Not Enemy Coalition of San Jose. And they’re drawing connections from the Japanese American community to the past, to the pretty recent past of, you know, the incarceration of Japanese Americans at concentration camps during World War II.\u003c/p>\n",
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"innerHTML": "\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>With the lawsuit, things right now are kind of in a holding pattern. So part of the ask of the lawsuit the big driving force of the lawsuits to stop this, right? But in the meantime, the county and the state have also filed a request with the courts for a preliminary injunction. Essentially meaning, can we put a court order to hold on everything until this litigation is done? And as part of kind of like a scheduling compromise with the federal government, they have agreed. To halt all operations there, like construction and demolition, until at least September 9th. And that right around then is going to be a court hearing on this request for preliminary injunction. So we may know more by early September about whether or not a court is going to have a favorable view of the lawsuit brought by Santa Clara County and the state.\u003c/p>\n",
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So it sounds like the details that we know so far are not necessarily coming from the federal government or the Trump administration itself, but from this lawsuit from Santa Clara County and the state attorney general, essentially suing ICE and the federal government to try and stop this detention center from being built, right?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>That’s correct. The county and the state say they had county investigators kind of taking a look at the property and watching it closely. And it was in late April that they started seeing fences go up. There was demolition taking place. So like, they’re very clear in their lawsuit that the government has started to develop this and started to do work on the site and then, you know, done a lease there and everything all in secret. At a high level, Santa Clara County and the state are arguing that, first of all, this property used to be used recently as an agricultural research facility where pesticides were often being tested. So there’s a lot of hazardous materials at the site and they are worried that that also makes it an inappropriate place for this facility. 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It’s been reported widely in media and other lawsuits that the Trump administration’s facilities for ICE and detention centers and temporary holding centers and offices have all kind of violated rights of people in their own right. That they’re not providing proper, you know, hygiene facilities, water, food, bathrooms, you know, sleeping sites. So that people are actually being held in very subpar, you cruel conditions. I think the concern from the county and the state is that it would indeed kind of bring that cruelty to their backyard.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And there’s some precedent for that concern, right? Because we have sort of seen the Trump administration in the last two years really beefing up detention centers across not just California, but the country, right.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>That’s right. I mean, the government is and has kind of publicized the fact that it is rapidly expanding its deportation program. And as a part of that is purchasing all kinds of facilities. ICE as an agency has kind of touted from the top down that they are getting more funding and that this should not be a surprise that they’re going to continue to push these operations forward.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Do we know why they’re looking at building this facility in Gilroy specifically?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>ICE itself and the federal government have not said very much about this site until recently. They told the Sacramento Bee in late July that this site is not for a detention center. A spokesperson for ICE said the South Bay facility would be for an ICE office that will support local operations and the enforcement of federal immigration laws. So even when they’re offering a statement, ICE has been pretty vague. But, if you listen to the concern from advocates, you know, they are saying that this is essentially a part of the Bay Area. It’s close to the central coast. It’s in South Santa Clara County, Gilroy within the county. These places are heavily immigrant rich communities, and this is something that has really concerned folks up and down the Bay Area here.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rebeca Armendariz: \u003c/strong>Our local coalition has pulled together folks from Soledad to Stockton, Morgan Hill to Monterey because we know that if they build this gallery processing center and they open the Dublin Detention Center, they will fill it with our people from the Central Coast to the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>But one of the most outspoken folks against this facility and a person who has really stood up for social justice issues in the South Bay is Rebeca Armendariz. 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KQED members are the backbone of our journalism here. Join the thousands of people who make it all happen. Just go to donate.kqed.org slash podcasts. We’ll be right back. You have specifically been reporting on the reaction from surrounding communities near and around Gilroy and their response to this potential detention center there. And it seems like the concern has really stretched beyond Gilroy itself.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Geha: \u003c/strong>The reaction was very strong. I mean, community members from Gilroy, uh, of course, but as well as San Jose and other Santa Clara County residents were coming together to call attention to this, I think a list of something like 25 or more cities and counties have signed onto this lawsuit to say that they, uh also oppose this and we’re talking about, yes, like the entire, you know, Monterey County board of supervisors, along with like small places like the city of Alameda in the Bay. 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Why are homicides either up or down?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:00] Abené Clayton is a reporter with the Guardian’s Guns and Lies in America project.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:02:06] And in my mind, I would always think like, well, you’re not gonna have a real answer unless you ask the person who did it. When we talk about crime dynamics, there’s so much analysis and research and commentary that goes into it, but a major sort of missing piece in all of this is talking directly to someone who either did the specific thing or has done something similar, and we don’t do that very often, if at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:44] You reported on a sort of unique program that turns this on its head in a way because this sort of idea of gun violence prevention is actually happening inside of a prison. Tell us about Arms Down out of San Quentin Rehabilitation Center, formerly known as San Quentin State Prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:03:08] So Arms Down is a mutual help group for firearm offenders styled after these sort of self-help rehabilitative programs that exist in prisons. Right now, they have about 120 guys who, one half of them meet on Tuesdays, another half meets on Fridays. And during those sessions, they sit in groups of like eight to 10, 12 guys pretty much share the experiences that led them to prison and to the Arms Down circles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Automated Voice \u003c/strong>[00:03:43] To accept this call, say or dial 5 now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:03:48] It was founded by an incarcerated man named Jemaine Hunter, who is in prison for a 34 years to life sentence. He’s been inside for the last two decades or so.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:04:02] Hi, my name is Jermaine Hunter. I am the founder of Arms Down, a group that’s mutual help for gun offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:16] What is his story?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:04:18] Jemaine is from Fresno. He was born and raised there in the 80s and 90s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:04:24] Fresno, California is like one of them cities back in the, especially back in the eighties, it was like, slow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:04:33] Kind of at the height of the crack, super predator epidemic that we look back on today as a reference point for so many things, whether it’s like tough on crime tactics, what we know today as like community violence, all sorts of things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:04:50] I was pretty much ambitious with the streets, getting out, trying to be my own man, you know, as a kid, wanting to get out and have things that I wasn’t provided in the household.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:05:09] He told me that his first interaction with gun violence was actually a shooting that happened in his home between his grandparents when he was four or five. I think that kind of sets the stage in his mind for what guns were used for.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:05:26] I was out there standing in the street selling drugs, doing whatever it was that us as hustlers and people that’s prone to the street life do. And the firearm was just an essential tool to carry on with that lifestyle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:05:49] And I think this mindset, he carried it with him, right? Until his offense at age 24, that ended in him being convicted of attempted murder and sentenced to 34 years to life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:04] When Jermaine was in prison, he sort of realized that he wanted to start this program Arms Down. Why did he want to start his program? What did he feel like was missing that he really wanted to fill?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:06:22] He had been in a couple other facilities before getting to San Quentin. And all during that time, he was doing the self-help programs, you know what I’m saying, really trying to heal, you know, victims awareness, things, all of this stuff that people will recommend you become a part of if you are incarcerated. But he told me that there was no group that specifically addressed firearms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:06:49] Just talking to other people on the yard or in prison, you know, after doing seven, eight years or whatever their crimes, a lot of them still thought about having a firearm after doing all this time. So I definitely understood that it was a need for this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:07:07] In some of the places he was, firearms were seen as like a footnote, right? It was like, oh, you had all of these other things. You just happen to use a gun. But for him and so many other people in who are incarcerated, guns were like a central part of their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:07:23] All the classes was basically saying that we were having guns just to kill. I had a gun every day of my life. I just committed that crime that one day. So what happened to all those days that I was just packing a gun and not using it? So I felt like it was a need to talk about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:07:51] It was hard for some folks to understand why, without a space that was specifically tailored to those conversations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:01] So how does it work exactly, Abené? Like, what does it actually look like to go through this program?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:08:09] In the earlier parts of the cohort, they start by discussing their first interactions with gun violence. For example, Jemaine may talk about the shooting incident with his grandparents when he was a kid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:08:24] We talk about growing up as kids, what it was that your beliefs were with firearms to try to combat a bunch of faulty beliefs and rumors that you may have heard as a kid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:08:41] They also talk about what they thought guns were for and how those perceptions were shaped by their past experiences and things they were exposed to, whether it’s through television, whether it was through their neighborhoods, et cetera, and they’re really able to dig in there. And they also do an exercise where they talk to somebody who stands in for their victim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:09:08] We talk about the primary, secondary, and tertiary victims, everything from the person that you hurt to the person who shoots a gun off around the school. How does it affect them kids that’s in the playground by just hearing them shot?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:09:29] The arms down participant will have to sort of take accountability, talk about the situation that happened that led them to prison and to the group, and they go through that process as well. So it’s a multi-pronged approach to ultimately getting understanding about what led you to believe that a gun was your only tool in that moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:08] It almost sounds like an alcoholics anonymous group, but for folks who’ve used guns in some sort of crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:10:27] Yeah, I mean, that’s exactly what it is. When I first started talking to Jemaine and Jesse Milo, one of the group’s co-creators, they compared it directly to like alcoholics anonymous, narcotics anonymous, right? Like anger management. They compared it to all of these different things, but specifically for people with what they’ve coined as a firearm addiction. They think about it in the same way. And when Jemaine would describe how he thought about direarms it was in line with that, right, you wake up, you’re like, where is it? How do I get it if I don’t have it? Where is it gonna come from?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:11:06] Firearm addiction is basically you being codependent for a firearm. The chaos, the things that we’ve been through with a firearm, and you still feel like it’s a need or you’re codependant on this same tool, then you’ve got to address that there’s an issue with this firearm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:11:27] You go to prison for it, you lose relationships because of it, but still, you still need that thing. And while that’s a term I’d never heard before, once I heard it, I was like, well, that makes sense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:39] Yeah, and I’ve never heard that phrase either, firearm addiction, until you mentioned it. And I guess I wonder why do you think gun violence prevention hasn’t always considered this as part of the solution? 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What do they have to offer? Honestly, you’re in prison. What can you do to like affect the outside? But as we’re seeing through Arms Down, there’s actually plenty you can do, especially when working in concert with folks who are on the outside who believe in what all you got going on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:13:19] It does sound like there is a sense that what is happening here with Arms Down is a successful model, but of course we are just talking about one program at one prison. And are there efforts happening to expand arms down into other prisons?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:13:38] Yeah, there are. They’ve gotten interest from other guys in prisons throughout the state who are like, man, we want this program here. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:01:47] So, in covering gun violence, people will ask me and ask police, ask officials, why are shootings happening? Why are homicides either up or down?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:00] Abené Clayton is a reporter with the Guardian’s Guns and Lies in America project.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:02:06] And in my mind, I would always think like, well, you’re not gonna have a real answer unless you ask the person who did it. When we talk about crime dynamics, there’s so much analysis and research and commentary that goes into it, but a major sort of missing piece in all of this is talking directly to someone who either did the specific thing or has done something similar, and we don’t do that very often, if at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:44] You reported on a sort of unique program that turns this on its head in a way because this sort of idea of gun violence prevention is actually happening inside of a prison. Tell us about Arms Down out of San Quentin Rehabilitation Center, formerly known as San Quentin State Prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:03:08] So Arms Down is a mutual help group for firearm offenders styled after these sort of self-help rehabilitative programs that exist in prisons. Right now, they have about 120 guys who, one half of them meet on Tuesdays, another half meets on Fridays. And during those sessions, they sit in groups of like eight to 10, 12 guys pretty much share the experiences that led them to prison and to the Arms Down circles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Automated Voice \u003c/strong>[00:03:43] To accept this call, say or dial 5 now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:03:48] It was founded by an incarcerated man named Jemaine Hunter, who is in prison for a 34 years to life sentence. He’s been inside for the last two decades or so.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:04:02] Hi, my name is Jermaine Hunter. I am the founder of Arms Down, a group that’s mutual help for gun offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:16] What is his story?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:04:18] Jemaine is from Fresno. He was born and raised there in the 80s and 90s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:04:24] Fresno, California is like one of them cities back in the, especially back in the eighties, it was like, slow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:04:33] Kind of at the height of the crack, super predator epidemic that we look back on today as a reference point for so many things, whether it’s like tough on crime tactics, what we know today as like community violence, all sorts of things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:04:50] I was pretty much ambitious with the streets, getting out, trying to be my own man, you know, as a kid, wanting to get out and have things that I wasn’t provided in the household.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:05:09] He told me that his first interaction with gun violence was actually a shooting that happened in his home between his grandparents when he was four or five. 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What did he feel like was missing that he really wanted to fill?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:06:22] He had been in a couple other facilities before getting to San Quentin. And all during that time, he was doing the self-help programs, you know what I’m saying, really trying to heal, you know, victims awareness, things, all of this stuff that people will recommend you become a part of if you are incarcerated. But he told me that there was no group that specifically addressed firearms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:06:49] Just talking to other people on the yard or in prison, you know, after doing seven, eight years or whatever their crimes, a lot of them still thought about having a firearm after doing all this time. So I definitely understood that it was a need for this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:07:07] In some of the places he was, firearms were seen as like a footnote, right? It was like, oh, you had all of these other things. You just happen to use a gun. But for him and so many other people in who are incarcerated, guns were like a central part of their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:07:23] All the classes was basically saying that we were having guns just to kill. I had a gun every day of my life. I just committed that crime that one day. So what happened to all those days that I was just packing a gun and not using it? So I felt like it was a need to talk about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:07:51] It was hard for some folks to understand why, without a space that was specifically tailored to those conversations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:01] So how does it work exactly, Abené? Like, what does it actually look like to go through this program?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:08:09] In the earlier parts of the cohort, they start by discussing their first interactions with gun violence. For example, Jemaine may talk about the shooting incident with his grandparents when he was a kid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:08:24] We talk about growing up as kids, what it was that your beliefs were with firearms to try to combat a bunch of faulty beliefs and rumors that you may have heard as a kid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:08:41] They also talk about what they thought guns were for and how those perceptions were shaped by their past experiences and things they were exposed to, whether it’s through television, whether it was through their neighborhoods, et cetera, and they’re really able to dig in there. And they also do an exercise where they talk to somebody who stands in for their victim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jemaine Hunter \u003c/strong>[00:09:08] We talk about the primary, secondary, and tertiary victims, everything from the person that you hurt to the person who shoots a gun off around the school. How does it affect them kids that’s in the playground by just hearing them shot?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Abené Clayton \u003c/strong>[00:09:29] The arms down participant will have to sort of take accountability, talk about the situation that happened that led them to prison and to the group, and they go through that process as well. 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"content": "\u003cp>On a summer day, after morning traffic had eased and the early fog started to burn off, San Francisco’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/castro\">Castro\u003c/a> neighborhood was quiet on the corner of Duboce Avenue and Market Street, where Maitri Compassionate Care Center is located.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to being the city’s only AIDS hospice center, Maitri provides 24-hour medical care and respite services for people currently living with HIV or AIDS. It also provides recovery care for people following gender-affirmation surgeries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It would be easy to miss the entrance to the center if not for a giant red, green and blue mural depicting flowers, stars, cats, dogs and a circle of people holding hands. The mural also features a portrait of a man named Issan Dorsey. Dorsey has been referred to as the “bad drag queen” who changed his life and the lives of many other people when he became a Buddhist Zen teacher and monk. In 1987, he opened the doors of his own home to care for a man dying of AIDS. That act of care nearly 40 years ago was the founding act of Maitri.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We were founded at the height of the AIDS epidemic when people in power refused to say the word AIDS, when people were dying on the streets,” said Tomas Moreno, Maitri’s development director.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What originally began as a small, grassroots effort to provide compassion and care for people in their final days has developed into the robust center it is today because of advancements in medications. “As AIDS and HIV was no longer a death sentence, people came here to get better,” Moreno said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047821\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1999px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047821\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-14-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1999\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-14-BL_qed.jpg 1999w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-14-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-14-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1999px) 100vw, 1999px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Development Director Tomas Moreno (center) speaks with residents and volunteers during a bingo game at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. The center provides residential hospice, respite, and medical care. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In addition to providing care for people living with HIV and AIDS, the center has become a safe recovery space for people undergoing gender affirmation surgeries during a time when the LGBTQ community is under attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most recently, the Trump administration has \u003ca href=\"https://www.hrc.org/news/understanding-executive-orders-and-what-they-mean-for-the-lgbtq-community\">issued executive orders\u003c/a> to dismantle protections for transgender people, including banning access to some gender-affirming care, in particular for people under the age of 19.[aside postID=forum_2010101910322 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/43/2025/06/DSC4552_qed.jpg']“People are being singled out,” Moreno said. “Children are being singled out for being trans on the nightly news, and it’s really, really scary.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With funding through Housing Opportunities for People with AIDS and the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program, as well as the help of private donations and support from the public health department and the city of San Francisco, Maitri has kept its doors open, providing care for lower-income and housing-insecure clients living with HIV or AIDS.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of whom are elderly, as the epidemic is disproportionately affecting older people. A loss in this funding would greatly impact the level of care that Maitri is able to provide to its clients, which is why the center continues to push for sustainable, grassroots funding, including donations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s even expanded its services to include pre- and post-op care for gender-affirmation surgery on a free or sliding scale for people from all across the country and Canada. All of this feels especially important at this moment, and in this particular place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047818\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047818\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">CNA Suki Su picks up a plate of food for a resident at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. The center provides residential hospice, respite, and medical care. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The cost of living in San Francisco is extraordinarily high, and it is home to some of the nation’s highest rates of income inequality. Providing a place to stay, in this case, is a form of health care — and what Maitri provides goes beyond a place to recover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People really do become family here,” Moreno said. “You see Maitri neighbors really pushing each other to quit smoking, to eat less dessert, to have more salad. To just be better together.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wanda O’Connor is one of those people. She came to Maitri through a referral after a spinal injury, and has been in the center recovering for nearly a year and a half.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the time she’s been here, she’s quit smoking cigarettes, undergone top surgery and has plans for bottom surgery, and made amazing friends. She said Maitri has been a blessing, calling it “the best kept secret ever.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047823\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047823\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Residents and former residents play a game of bingo at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. The center provides residential hospice, respite, and medical care. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For her, the attention, care and understanding that Maitri’s staff have given her is beyond what she ever received in the hospital. And it all seems to be effortless. “This place is like a well-lubricated machine,” O’Connor said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The center works hard to keep its clients engaged and feeling a part of a community. There are daily meals, weekly bingo games and art groups, a piano that’s available for playing, and annual holiday parties. Plus, there’s access to ongoing resources, such as on-site therapy and classes or workshops from outside partners or programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a giant ecosystem that Moreno said has continued to grow, so much so that they now have the Branch aftercare center, which enables former clients to stay connected with the people and offerings at Maitri.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047820\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047820\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Volunteer Mark Silva (left) speaks with resident Wanda O’Connor (center) and David Nevarez during dinner at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Branch doesn’t actually stand for anything,” he said, admitting that it’s a play on the center’s name, “Maitree,” which is a Sanskrit word meaning unconditional acceptance and loving friendship. “My tree, my branch,” he said jokingly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it really is a branch, connecting many people who have passed through the center. For O’Connor, her branch takes the form of supporting people who are just arriving at Maitri, and helping to assure them it’s likely a very different experience than where they just were. “I’ll sit down and talk with them about my experience” she said, but “then they find it for themselves.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>O’Connor is such a strong advocate for the center, she said that if she were to choose a place to die, she would choose Maitri. “I’m not gonna die anytime soon,” she said, “but if I had to, this would be the place I want to die.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047817\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1999px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047817\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1999\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed.jpg 1999w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1999px) 100vw, 1999px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wanda O’Connor (right) eats dinner with David Nevarez at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Geary Holst, a former client at Maitri and a member of the Branch program, thought he would be spending his last days living in the center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Holst came to the center after having a heart attack. He was living with HIV, recently diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease, and was fairly confident that when his doctors sent him to Maitri, it was for hospice care. But he bounced back. “It just showed me how to live again,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now Holst lives two blocks down the street from the center, stopping by multiple times a week to see people, sit down for a meal or attend an event. He spends the holidays here, decorating the tree at Christmas, sharing a big Thanksgiving meal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047812\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047812\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-02-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-02-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-02-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-02-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Geary Holst, 80, watches TV in the living room at Maitri Compassionate Care. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047970\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2500px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047970\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Side-by-side-Downpage-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2500\" height=\"833\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Side-by-side-Downpage-3.jpg 2500w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Side-by-side-Downpage-3-2000x666.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Side-by-side-Downpage-3-160x53.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Side-by-side-Downpage-3-1536x512.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Side-by-side-Downpage-3-2048x682.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2500px) 100vw, 2500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Holst is served dinner (left) and eats with David Nevarez (right) at Maitri Compassionate Care. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Halloween is a hoot,” he said, adding that people get dressed up and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a group of drag queen activists and performers, show up and help with the festivities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Holst compares his relationship to Maitri as one would to their “grandma’s house,” because it’s a place people can feel comfortable and accepted — with different personalities all mixing together.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For many, it’s a place not just for receiving care, but for getting a second chance at life, for thriving. And that’s not just for Maitri clients, but staff as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Monique Dupree, Maitri’s head of nursing, and Molly Herzog, the director of client services, joined the Maitri team after careers in nursing and social work, respectively. They’ve both fallen in love with the work they do at Maitri, and in particular, the people they work with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047811\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047811\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An empty room at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“They’re amazing,” Herzog said. She wears a shamrock necklace that a former client made for her, citing it as one of the kinds of tokens the staff receive for the care they give.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She calls it a “community of love,” saying that the staff and the clients care for each other. One such client, she said, would always be sitting in the living room when she came in for work, and every morning he greeted her with “Here comes Molly. She brings sunshine out every morning!” It was a beautiful and special way to start every day, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Dupree, her gratitude for finding a place at Maitri is reinforced every time she thinks about what the center provides. Like the name Maitri suggests, acceptance, friendship and compassion are at the heart of everything they do for clients. “It’s all about being there in people’s most vulnerable moments,” she said, “even if there isn’t anything to say.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“People are being singled out,” Moreno said. “Children are being singled out for being trans on the nightly news, and it’s really, really scary.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With funding through Housing Opportunities for People with AIDS and the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program, as well as the help of private donations and support from the public health department and the city of San Francisco, Maitri has kept its doors open, providing care for lower-income and housing-insecure clients living with HIV or AIDS.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many of whom are elderly, as the epidemic is disproportionately affecting older people. A loss in this funding would greatly impact the level of care that Maitri is able to provide to its clients, which is why the center continues to push for sustainable, grassroots funding, including donations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s even expanded its services to include pre- and post-op care for gender-affirmation surgery on a free or sliding scale for people from all across the country and Canada. All of this feels especially important at this moment, and in this particular place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047818\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047818\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-09-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">CNA Suki Su picks up a plate of food for a resident at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. The center provides residential hospice, respite, and medical care. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The cost of living in San Francisco is extraordinarily high, and it is home to some of the nation’s highest rates of income inequality. Providing a place to stay, in this case, is a form of health care — and what Maitri provides goes beyond a place to recover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People really do become family here,” Moreno said. “You see Maitri neighbors really pushing each other to quit smoking, to eat less dessert, to have more salad. To just be better together.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wanda O’Connor is one of those people. She came to Maitri through a referral after a spinal injury, and has been in the center recovering for nearly a year and a half.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the time she’s been here, she’s quit smoking cigarettes, undergone top surgery and has plans for bottom surgery, and made amazing friends. She said Maitri has been a blessing, calling it “the best kept secret ever.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047823\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047823\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-18-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Residents and former residents play a game of bingo at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. The center provides residential hospice, respite, and medical care. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For her, the attention, care and understanding that Maitri’s staff have given her is beyond what she ever received in the hospital. And it all seems to be effortless. “This place is like a well-lubricated machine,” O’Connor said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The center works hard to keep its clients engaged and feeling a part of a community. There are daily meals, weekly bingo games and art groups, a piano that’s available for playing, and annual holiday parties. Plus, there’s access to ongoing resources, such as on-site therapy and classes or workshops from outside partners or programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a giant ecosystem that Moreno said has continued to grow, so much so that they now have the Branch aftercare center, which enables former clients to stay connected with the people and offerings at Maitri.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047820\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047820\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-13-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Volunteer Mark Silva (left) speaks with resident Wanda O’Connor (center) and David Nevarez during dinner at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Branch doesn’t actually stand for anything,” he said, admitting that it’s a play on the center’s name, “Maitree,” which is a Sanskrit word meaning unconditional acceptance and loving friendship. “My tree, my branch,” he said jokingly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it really is a branch, connecting many people who have passed through the center. For O’Connor, her branch takes the form of supporting people who are just arriving at Maitri, and helping to assure them it’s likely a very different experience than where they just were. “I’ll sit down and talk with them about my experience” she said, but “then they find it for themselves.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>O’Connor is such a strong advocate for the center, she said that if she were to choose a place to die, she would choose Maitri. “I’m not gonna die anytime soon,” she said, “but if I had to, this would be the place I want to die.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047817\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1999px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047817\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1999\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed.jpg 1999w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-08-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1999px) 100vw, 1999px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wanda O’Connor (right) eats dinner with David Nevarez at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Geary Holst, a former client at Maitri and a member of the Branch program, thought he would be spending his last days living in the center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Holst came to the center after having a heart attack. He was living with HIV, recently diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease, and was fairly confident that when his doctors sent him to Maitri, it was for hospice care. But he bounced back. “It just showed me how to live again,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now Holst lives two blocks down the street from the center, stopping by multiple times a week to see people, sit down for a meal or attend an event. 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And that’s not just for Maitri clients, but staff as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Monique Dupree, Maitri’s head of nursing, and Molly Herzog, the director of client services, joined the Maitri team after careers in nursing and social work, respectively. They’ve both fallen in love with the work they do at Maitri, and in particular, the people they work with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047811\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047811\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/250709-MaitriCompassionateCare-01-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An empty room at Maitri Compassionate Care in San Francisco on July 9, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“They’re amazing,” Herzog said. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:00:35] Tyche, you’ve covered immigration for a long time. Based on your conversations with immigration lawyers, advocates, just what we’ve seen in the news, how would you describe the mood right now, especially on college campuses?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:01:30] I would say destabilized. I think there’s a lot of fear. And for university administrations, this is a very tough time. They’re feeling pressure from the Trump administration over DEI policies, over their curricula around Middle Eastern studies and so forth. And real dollars are being withheld. And so they are destabilized and concerned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:01:54] How much of a shift is this and how has the Trump administration justified these actions?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:02:02] So the Trump administration has said, there’s no room for your student activism. They are equating pro-Palestinian activism with anti-Semitism. And Marco Rubio has said we gave you a visa to come here and study. We didn’t give you a visa come here and tear up universities. But in some of these cases, these are students who were not involved in any political activism. But in, some cases, they may have had a minor. brush with the law in their history, and it seems like those things are being targeted as well. You know, student visas do get revoked, but it’s typically if you stop going to class, you know, if your course load falls below the required amount or if you, you know take a job that you’re not authorized to have under your visa or something like that. But this is really, I would say, pretty unprecedented that the government is coming in and sort of terminating people’s student status even when they’ve been in good standing at their schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\n\u003c/p>\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:03:08] What do we know about how many students have had their visas revoked, maybe even face deportation, both nationally and here in the Bay Area, California?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:03:19] The latest numbers that I have at UC Berkeley, there have been 21 students, which includes undergrads, grad students, and also recent graduates who have still permission to be getting some practical experience here after they graduate. 21 of them have had their visas revoked. I would say there’s definitely over 100 in California and the number keeps growing. And there could be, I mean, there’s at least 600 maybe. above, well above a thousand nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:03:56] You’ve also reported on an instance of two students pushing back, two international students pushing back via two separate lawsuits. Who are these students and what do we know about them?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:04:07] We don’t know a lot about them because they are scared that they could be targeted for retaliation, including potentially being arrested by ICE and detained and put into deportation proceedings. So they filed their lawsuits as, you know, Student Doe #1 and Student Doe #2. What we know is that one is at a college in Orange County, another one’s in the Inland Empire in a university there. and that they are both from Muslim-majority countries. They have not been involved in any activism. They each had a misdemeanor traffic issue on their record. I think in at least one of those cases, the government knew about it when they issued the student visa, so it wasn’t a surprise. And so this kind of came out of the blue for these students. And they’ve sued ICE, the Department of Homeland Security in federal court in the los angeles area and they’ve said like this is unlawful that you have terminated our student status when you know there’s no there’s no basis for it we’ve complied with all the terms of our student visas .\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:05:17] What happened to their student visa status?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:05:20] You know, it’s a little complicated system here. But basically, the State Department issues the student visa that says, you have permission to come into our country and go to a university here. And then based on that, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is sort of the police agency within. Homeland Security that’s tracking people inside the country has a big database of students. It’s called SEVIS. And universities have to put information in there to show that the students are complying with the terms of being an international student here. Now, in this case, ICE has come in and terminated their records in this database, basically saying, you don’t have student status. and that then makes them potentially deportable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\n\u003c/p>\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:06:15] Understandably Student Doe #1, Student Doe #2 not talking to the media, but I know you spoke with their lawyer What can you tell me about what he said and what’s being alleged here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\n\u003c/p>\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:06:26] So I spoke with Khaled Alrabe, who is a Berkeley-based attorney with the National Immigration Project. He’s representing both of these students who filed suits. To be clear, these are not class action suits that would cover lots of other people as well. 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They have been in compliance with their student status.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:07:18] And he said, you know, they’re trying to figure out a pattern for who’s being targeted. Some of the students have been, you know, politically active against Israel’s war in Gaza. Some of them have had minor infractions, misdemeanors like these two students. But it seems like a lot of these students are from Muslim-majority countries, the Middle East, South Asia, Muslim- majority countries in Africa. so you know, that’s starting to show up as a pattern that is concerning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:07:50] Have ICE or the State Department said anything about this case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:07:55] I reached out to both, and ICE did not respond to my request for comment. The State Department did send a statement that said they have zero tolerance for non-citizens who violate U.S. laws, quote, those who break the law, including students, may face visa refusal, visa revocation, and or deportation. And they also said that they revoke visas every day and that they do it in order to keep America safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:08:46] Tyche, another part of this story, of course, is the role of universities themselves. What are these schools doing or not doing as their students are having visas revoked or are even facing deportation, possibly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:08:59] Public universities have to comply with California’s law about protecting people’s information, and they are clear that they’re going to do that. They also have legal resources available for immigrant students. But beyond that, they’ve been pretty circumspect, I would say. And they haven’t been willing to talk to me or the press generally because they are under a lot of pressure, Alan. The Trump administration has suspended or halted research grants that are, you know, federal funds that go to a lot of universities. And they’ve initiated investigations of universities, so there’s a lot of pressure on colleges and universities around California and across the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:09:44] So if there’s not strong pushback from universities, what kind of pushback or resistance is out there right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:09:53] I spoke with Zahra Billoo, the executive director of the Bay Area chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Zahra Billoo \u003c/strong>[00:10:00] We have been on watch concerned about more abductions, as we saw with Mahmoud Khalil.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:10:07] She was on her way to Stanford to do a know your rights training with students there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Zahra Billoo \u003c/strong>[00:10:13] So we have been receiving inquiries from other visa holders, as well as, by the way, from U.S. citizens who are asking, could they be next? 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Our advocacy has been to remind people that safety happens in public, safety happens in community, and that for the students who have found the best advocacy nationally, it’s because they remained in public.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:11:11] So Tyche, what happens next with these two students in California who have filed lawsuits against the Trump administration?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:11:20] Their suits are in federal court, the central district of California, which is based in Los Angeles. And they will have hearings, initial hearings, and then their cases will be heard. You know, they may be looking for some kind of a temporary stay or restraining order to be put in place to protect them from deportation while the case goes forward. We haven’t gotten to that point yet. I don’t believe that there’s any hearings calendared so far.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:11:48] Certainly, you know, many immigrants are experiencing this climate of fear that the Trump administration has created. I mean, we’ve talked about this a little bit. The administration is willing to go very, very far in order to deport people that things shouldn’t be here, including even people with green cards. You know, beyond just student visa holders, what do you think the spillover effects of cases like this are having on immigrants of all statuses?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:12:15] Right. These hundreds of student visas that have been revoked and people’s student status is being terminated, this is coming in a bigger context. The Trump administration is sending people to El Salvador, to an intense prison. They’re locking them up without any due process, sending people to Guantanamo without access to attorneys saying, for example, that, you know, they’re not just going after undocumented people, but they’re going after people and trying to take away their green cards, which is their lawful permanent residence status. And so the overall message is, if you’re an immigrant, you’re not safe here. And in many ways, the message is you don’t belong here. And in a state like California, where one in four of us was born in another country and many, many more of us have parents who were born in other country, that’s a pretty chilling message.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:00:35] Tyche, you’ve covered immigration for a long time. Based on your conversations with immigration lawyers, advocates, just what we’ve seen in the news, how would you describe the mood right now, especially on college campuses?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:01:30] I would say destabilized. I think there’s a lot of fear. And for university administrations, this is a very tough time. They’re feeling pressure from the Trump administration over DEI policies, over their curricula around Middle Eastern studies and so forth. And real dollars are being withheld. And so they are destabilized and concerned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:01:54] How much of a shift is this and how has the Trump administration justified these actions?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:02:02] So the Trump administration has said, there’s no room for your student activism. They are equating pro-Palestinian activism with anti-Semitism. And Marco Rubio has said we gave you a visa to come here and study. We didn’t give you a visa come here and tear up universities. But in some of these cases, these are students who were not involved in any political activism. But in, some cases, they may have had a minor. brush with the law in their history, and it seems like those things are being targeted as well. You know, student visas do get revoked, but it’s typically if you stop going to class, you know, if your course load falls below the required amount or if you, you know take a job that you’re not authorized to have under your visa or something like that. But this is really, I would say, pretty unprecedented that the government is coming in and sort of terminating people’s student status even when they’ve been in good standing at their schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\n\u003c/p>\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:03:08] What do we know about how many students have had their visas revoked, maybe even face deportation, both nationally and here in the Bay Area, California?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:03:19] The latest numbers that I have at UC Berkeley, there have been 21 students, which includes undergrads, grad students, and also recent graduates who have still permission to be getting some practical experience here after they graduate. 21 of them have had their visas revoked. I would say there’s definitely over 100 in California and the number keeps growing. And there could be, I mean, there’s at least 600 maybe. above, well above a thousand nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:03:56] You’ve also reported on an instance of two students pushing back, two international students pushing back via two separate lawsuits. Who are these students and what do we know about them?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:04:07] We don’t know a lot about them because they are scared that they could be targeted for retaliation, including potentially being arrested by ICE and detained and put into deportation proceedings. So they filed their lawsuits as, you know, Student Doe #1 and Student Doe #2. What we know is that one is at a college in Orange County, another one’s in the Inland Empire in a university there. and that they are both from Muslim-majority countries. They have not been involved in any activism. They each had a misdemeanor traffic issue on their record. I think in at least one of those cases, the government knew about it when they issued the student visa, so it wasn’t a surprise. And so this kind of came out of the blue for these students. And they’ve sued ICE, the Department of Homeland Security in federal court in the los angeles area and they’ve said like this is unlawful that you have terminated our student status when you know there’s no there’s no basis for it we’ve complied with all the terms of our student visas .\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:05:17] What happened to their student visa status?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:05:20] You know, it’s a little complicated system here. But basically, the State Department issues the student visa that says, you have permission to come into our country and go to a university here. And then based on that, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is sort of the police agency within. Homeland Security that’s tracking people inside the country has a big database of students. It’s called SEVIS. And universities have to put information in there to show that the students are complying with the terms of being an international student here. Now, in this case, ICE has come in and terminated their records in this database, basically saying, you don’t have student status. and that then makes them potentially deportable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\n\u003c/p>\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:06:15] Understandably Student Doe #1, Student Doe #2 not talking to the media, but I know you spoke with their lawyer What can you tell me about what he said and what’s being alleged here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\n\u003c/p>\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:06:26] So I spoke with Khaled Alrabe, who is a Berkeley-based attorney with the National Immigration Project. He’s representing both of these students who filed suits. To be clear, these are not class action suits that would cover lots of other people as well. They’re just in these particular cases, but they want to be restored as students so that they don’t have to fear deportation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Khaled Alrabe \u003c/strong>[00:06:50] We’re the first to file lawsuit is many forthcoming, and this should be viewed in the context of the larger kind of environment we’re in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:06:57] He says, you know, it’s been very alarming, very abrupt all across the country, these student visas getting revoked, and that it really should be a concern for everyone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Khaled Alrabe \u003c/strong>[00:07:09] These terminations are unlawful. They entered on visas, valid visas. They have been in compliance with their student status.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:07:18] And he said, you know, they’re trying to figure out a pattern for who’s being targeted. Some of the students have been, you know, politically active against Israel’s war in Gaza. Some of them have had minor infractions, misdemeanors like these two students. But it seems like a lot of these students are from Muslim-majority countries, the Middle East, South Asia, Muslim- majority countries in Africa. so you know, that’s starting to show up as a pattern that is concerning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:07:50] Have ICE or the State Department said anything about this case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:07:55] I reached out to both, and ICE did not respond to my request for comment. The State Department did send a statement that said they have zero tolerance for non-citizens who violate U.S. laws, quote, those who break the law, including students, may face visa refusal, visa revocation, and or deportation. And they also said that they revoke visas every day and that they do it in order to keep America safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:08:46] Tyche, another part of this story, of course, is the role of universities themselves. What are these schools doing or not doing as their students are having visas revoked or are even facing deportation, possibly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:08:59] Public universities have to comply with California’s law about protecting people’s information, and they are clear that they’re going to do that. They also have legal resources available for immigrant students. But beyond that, they’ve been pretty circumspect, I would say. And they haven’t been willing to talk to me or the press generally because they are under a lot of pressure, Alan. The Trump administration has suspended or halted research grants that are, you know, federal funds that go to a lot of universities. And they’ve initiated investigations of universities, so there’s a lot of pressure on colleges and universities around California and across the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:09:44] So if there’s not strong pushback from universities, what kind of pushback or resistance is out there right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:09:53] I spoke with Zahra Billoo, the executive director of the Bay Area chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Zahra Billoo \u003c/strong>[00:10:00] We have been on watch concerned about more abductions, as we saw with Mahmoud Khalil.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:10:07] She was on her way to Stanford to do a know your rights training with students there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Zahra Billoo \u003c/strong>[00:10:13] So we have been receiving inquiries from other visa holders, as well as, by the way, from U.S. citizens who are asking, could they be next? 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"content": "\u003cp>On Sunday morning, more than 2,000 people from the Bay Area’s Iranian community and their allies gathered on the Golden Gate Bridge to form a human chain across the entire span — 4,200 feet across. Organizers hope the symbolic bridging will bring greater attention to protests in Iran and around the world following the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman who died in police custody September 16 after being arrested for not wearing a proper hijab, or headscarf.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s not just about Iranians. It’s about the freedom of people and humanity,” said Sepehr Khosravi, a college student from Hayward who came to the U.S. from Iran at age 7, escaping religious persecution. “If we don’t come together to build that cohesive love and unity, our world will become a mess, just like how it is right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/KQEDnews/status/1574089699974475776\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Khosravi attended the event with his older sister, Sanaz Khosravi, an artist based in San Francisco. Sanaz stressed the importance of showing images of what’s happening in Iran to the rest of the world to avoid a repeat of the events of 2019, when Iranian authorities shut down the internet during mass protests in response to a hike in gas prices, in part due to harsher U.S.-imposed sanctions on the country. Fifteen-hundred people died during this time, according to Reuters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Sunday event on the bridge came after smaller gatherings, rallies and candlelight vigils throughout the week, including Friday evening in front of UC Berkeley’s Wheeler Hall and Saturday in front of San Francisco City Hall. In Berkeley, hundreds of people showed up, some holding signs written in English, Persian and Kurdish — calling for women’s liberation, justice for Amini and the end of Islamic rule.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/AnaOphLin/status/1573875682521665536\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amini was visiting Tehran from the Kurdistan province in Iran when she was stopped by the capital’s Gasht-e Ershad, otherwise known as the “morality police” — a group of law enforcement whose main purpose is to enforce Iran’s strict dress code. The group is a notorious and powerful one, known for their white patrol vans and access to detainment and “reeducation” centers, where women and men accused of improper attire are held.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the day of her arrest, Amini was accused of wearing an improper hijab, or headscarf, a mandatory part of the nation’s dress code for all women. While still in police custody on September 16, three days later, she died. Iranian authorities say Amini died of a heart attack, due to preexisting conditions, but Amini’s family and supporters say she had no history of health problems, and that her death is the result of police brutality.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Outrage, from Iran to the Bay Area\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Since Amini’s death, protests have erupted in the streets of Iran, igniting outrage over ongoing issues for the nation’s citizens, including women’s rights, the strict dress code and restrictions on personal freedoms, and a suffering economy that’s been made worse under years of international sanctions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In what’s now \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/world/middleeast/iran-protests.html\">the largest anti-government demonstration since Iran’s elections in 2009\u003c/a>, protestors are calling for \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/03/tens-of-thousands-of-people-protested-in-iran-this-week-heres-why/\">major change in the country\u003c/a>. And clashes between security forces and demonstrators have left more than a dozen dead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/alexshams_/status/1571984532064112641\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You feel helpless and you feel so angry that the government is treating its people, people that I’m connected to by blood and history, in a way that is unfathomable to me,” said Nima Rahimi, an Iranian American attorney and community organizer who lives in the Bay Area and one of the organizers of Saturday’s demonstrations at San Francisco City Hall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It breaks my heart that my community on the other side of the world is living under such harsh conditions every day. And a woman who was just at the beginning of her life was killed for such a stupid reason,” Rahimi said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11926719\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1024px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/GettyImages-1243484421.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11926719\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/GettyImages-1243484421.jpg\" alt=\"a person draped in an Iranian flag stands outside San Francisco City Hall\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/GettyImages-1243484421.jpg 1024w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/GettyImages-1243484421-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/GettyImages-1243484421-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/GettyImages-1243484421-160x107.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People gathered outside San Francisco City Hall on Sept. 24, 2022, to protest the Iranian government after the death of a 22-year-old woman under police custody in Tehran. \u003ccite>(Tayfun Coskun/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Rahimi is one of many Iranian Americans and allies who took part in solidarity protests over the weekend, taking to the streets shouting, “Zan! Zendegi! Azadi!,” or “Women! Life! Freedom!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its original form, the Kurdish slogan “Jin! Jiyan! Azadi!” is from the Kurdistan Workers’ Party; it’s a cry for liberation from patriarchy — specifically the combination of the patriarchy, capitalism and the state. It’s since become a central slogan in the global protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Sepehr Khosravi, protestor\"]‘It’s not just about Iranians. It’s about the freedom of people and humanity.’[/pullquote]Rahimi recognizes the bravery of Iranians protesting right now. “I see things like this unfold in the country and see the willingness of the population to put their bodies on the line for their freedoms, basic freedoms, to decide whether you’re going to put a headscarf on your head or not, to have the ability to make that decision,” he said. That bravery, he said, motivates him to use whatever influence he has to raise local awareness so that elected leaders can engage in better, more effective foreign policy with Iran.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sanctions on Iran have been ongoing for decades, limiting international trade and, according to the U.N., exacerbating economic and humanitarian hardships, especially for vulnerable populations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Right now, we’ve got a foreign policy that keeps Iran isolated,” Rahimi said. “There’s a lot of nuances around that, but isolation only empowers the extremists.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Keeping all eyes on Iran\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For many, raising awareness about what’s been going on in Iran goes well beyond the weekend’s protests. Torange Yeghiazarian, who immigrated from Iran right before the \u003ca href=\"https://institute.global/policy/ideology-and-irans-revolution-how-1979-changed-world\">Islamic Revolution in 1979\u003c/a>, says it’s been her life’s work since she settled here in the Bay Area in 1991.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lack of understanding or a misunderstanding of Iran,” she said. “Its history, the history of its relationship with the U.S., and the place of women in Iranian society.” Yeghiazarian is the founding director of \u003ca href=\"https://goldenthread.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Golden Thread Productions\u003c/a>, a theater company that features plays from or about the Middle East to celebrate the people, history and culture of the region while challenging stereotypes and misunderstandings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11926720\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-scaled.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11926720\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"people hold signs during a protest in solidarity with Iran at UC Berkeley\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-2048x1365.jpeg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-1920x1280.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A protest in solidarity with Iran at UC Berkeley on Sept. 23, 2022. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Persis Karim)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It’s ongoing work that Yeghiazarian says does not always get the visibility it needs. “This is just another moment where we’ve become visible, briefly, and have an opportunity to talk about who we are and where we come from. And how strong the Iranian women are,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The internet also plays a key role: It’s super valuable, Yeghiazarian says, when it comes to sharing information — and specifically for spreading the word about what’s going on in Iran, and where people can take action and support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m seeing a lot of compassion and a lot of messages of solidarity from various communities,” Yeghiazarian said. “You realize that you’re part of a global community, that you are not alone, that you’re part of a global solidarity movement for women all around the world to gain their freedom and to gain their respect.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a moment where keeping the momentum going and maintaining international attention is essential, said Hasti, who recently moved to the U.S. from Iran, and prefers to keep her last name anonymous for safety purposes. This includes news coverage and social media mentions — even something as simple as sharing a hashtag, she says, can make a difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If that [social media] momentum dies, that could directly mean more people dying on the streets of Iran, innocent civilians,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the protests erupted, Iranian authorities have \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/22/iran-blocks-capitals-internet-access-as-amini-protests-grow\">cut off the internet in certain regions and blocked access to services such as Instagram and WhatsApp\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a tactic, Hasti says, to limit the information that gets out of Iran. And for her, it always marks a dangerous time. “The last time this happened, I was back in Iran,” she said, referring to the 2019 shutdowns. “Both times it was the feeling of just maddening frustration, because you know that people are getting killed and there’s nothing you can do about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11926721\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-scaled.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11926721\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"an alter with a woman's face in a hijab and flowers and candles\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-2048x1365.jpeg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-1920x1280.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An altar at a protest at UC Berkeley in solidarity with Iran. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Persis Karim)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For many people living in the Bay Area with family and loved ones in Iran, the internet shutdowns invoke a lot of fear and deep worry. It creates a void of silence, Hasti says: With no internet and a lack of international eyes on the situation, the loss of something as simple as a hashtag can correlate to the loss of human life. “They basically violate every human right possible and they will get a free pass to do whatever they want to,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet the images and messages that continue to come from the streets of Iran — as well as the weekend solidarity demonstrations that occurred around the world— also make some hopeful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is a time of change,” said Yeghiazarian. “We have an opportunity to work together and create lasting change, and to realize that women everywhere in the U.S. [and] in Iran are not only equal but, that without women’s rights and without women leading fulfilling lives, society as a whole is paralyzed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Anaïs-Ophelia Lin and Lakshmi Sarah contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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That bravery, he said, motivates him to use whatever influence he has to raise local awareness so that elected leaders can engage in better, more effective foreign policy with Iran.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sanctions on Iran have been ongoing for decades, limiting international trade and, according to the U.N., exacerbating economic and humanitarian hardships, especially for vulnerable populations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Right now, we’ve got a foreign policy that keeps Iran isolated,” Rahimi said. “There’s a lot of nuances around that, but isolation only empowers the extremists.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Keeping all eyes on Iran\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For many, raising awareness about what’s been going on in Iran goes well beyond the weekend’s protests. Torange Yeghiazarian, who immigrated from Iran right before the \u003ca href=\"https://institute.global/policy/ideology-and-irans-revolution-how-1979-changed-world\">Islamic Revolution in 1979\u003c/a>, says it’s been her life’s work since she settled here in the Bay Area in 1991.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lack of understanding or a misunderstanding of Iran,” she said. “Its history, the history of its relationship with the U.S., and the place of women in Iranian society.” Yeghiazarian is the founding director of \u003ca href=\"https://goldenthread.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Golden Thread Productions\u003c/a>, a theater company that features plays from or about the Middle East to celebrate the people, history and culture of the region while challenging stereotypes and misunderstandings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11926720\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-scaled.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11926720\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"people hold signs during a protest in solidarity with Iran at UC Berkeley\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-2048x1365.jpeg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/1B1DE15D-B418-4550-AAC3-5DEA241445BC-1920x1280.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A protest in solidarity with Iran at UC Berkeley on Sept. 23, 2022. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Persis Karim)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It’s ongoing work that Yeghiazarian says does not always get the visibility it needs. “This is just another moment where we’ve become visible, briefly, and have an opportunity to talk about who we are and where we come from. And how strong the Iranian women are,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The internet also plays a key role: It’s super valuable, Yeghiazarian says, when it comes to sharing information — and specifically for spreading the word about what’s going on in Iran, and where people can take action and support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m seeing a lot of compassion and a lot of messages of solidarity from various communities,” Yeghiazarian said. “You realize that you’re part of a global community, that you are not alone, that you’re part of a global solidarity movement for women all around the world to gain their freedom and to gain their respect.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a moment where keeping the momentum going and maintaining international attention is essential, said Hasti, who recently moved to the U.S. from Iran, and prefers to keep her last name anonymous for safety purposes. This includes news coverage and social media mentions — even something as simple as sharing a hashtag, she says, can make a difference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If that [social media] momentum dies, that could directly mean more people dying on the streets of Iran, innocent civilians,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since the protests erupted, Iranian authorities have \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/22/iran-blocks-capitals-internet-access-as-amini-protests-grow\">cut off the internet in certain regions and blocked access to services such as Instagram and WhatsApp\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a tactic, Hasti says, to limit the information that gets out of Iran. And for her, it always marks a dangerous time. “The last time this happened, I was back in Iran,” she said, referring to the 2019 shutdowns. “Both times it was the feeling of just maddening frustration, because you know that people are getting killed and there’s nothing you can do about it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11926721\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-scaled.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11926721\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"an alter with a woman's face in a hijab and flowers and candles\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-2048x1365.jpeg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/09/35BA3EAC-93D7-4A61-9880-CA95B7563187-1920x1280.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An altar at a protest at UC Berkeley in solidarity with Iran. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Persis Karim)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For many people living in the Bay Area with family and loved ones in Iran, the internet shutdowns invoke a lot of fear and deep worry. It creates a void of silence, Hasti says: With no internet and a lack of international eyes on the situation, the loss of something as simple as a hashtag can correlate to the loss of human life. “They basically violate every human right possible and they will get a free pass to do whatever they want to,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet the images and messages that continue to come from the streets of Iran — as well as the weekend solidarity demonstrations that occurred around the world— also make some hopeful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is a time of change,” said Yeghiazarian. “We have an opportunity to work together and create lasting change, and to realize that women everywhere in the U.S. [and] in Iran are not only equal but, that without women’s rights and without women leading fulfilling lives, society as a whole is paralyzed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What are your biggest ideas on how to solve the housing crisis? How has housing shaped your life?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Throughout this season, we wanted to hear from you — the Sold Out audience. We asked you to get in touch, and you came through!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">From voice memos to emails and social media, dozens of listeners reached out and shared stories of housing insecurity and loss, advocacy work, and visions for an equitable housing future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In this bonus episode, hear from seven people for whom housing is at the center of everything. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch5 id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC9285725518&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/h5>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[TRANSCRIPT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>MOLLY SOLOMON: \u003c/strong>Hi! I’m Molly Solomon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ERIN BALDASSARI: \u003c/strong>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m Erin Baldassari. You’re listening to Sold Out: Rethinking Housing in America, and today we’ve got something special for you from producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Take it away, Natalia.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[SOLD OUT THEME MUSIC BEGINS]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11841421\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 451px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-11841421\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"451\" height=\"299\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1020x676.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1536x1018.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 451px) 100vw, 451px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A red for sale sign outside a home with a “sold pending” sticker posted across the front. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA ALDANA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When it comes to the housing crisis, every Californian has something to say about it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Man, it’s like — it’s like the air we breathe. It is literally, like, a fact of life if you live in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>NATALIA: \u003c/strong>We can all point to how it’s impacted us — affected our families, our neighborhoods, and our livelihoods.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Throughout this season of Sold Out, we’ve been asking for your thoughts and experiences when it comes to housing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So many of you got in touch. And today, you’ll hear from seven people whose stories might challenge you, empathize with you, and hopefully, inspire you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC – DECK LOFI]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">First up, we have a listener who wants us to rethink how we live — literally\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">who we share a roof with, and how the \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">way \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">we understand family impacts our housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam Coulter rents an apartment with his partner in San Jose. And Cam thinks the housing system favors homeowners. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM COULTER: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is probably a little hot-take, but I wish I could write off my rent payments as tax-deductible.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam recognizes that tax incentives are meant to motivate homeownership. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And that might work in other parts of the country. But here I feel like it really just punishes the people who can’t afford to buy a home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although rent is not tax-deductible in California — the state does award a $60 renters tax credit for qualifying single filers who earn less than $43,533 a year. Since Cam and I last spoke, \u003ca href=\"https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/californias-renter-tax-credit-has-remained-unchanged-for-43-years-it-could-soon-increase/ar-AAW402s\">a state bill has been proposed that could potentially increase that credit to $500.\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – DECK LOFI OUT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While Cam\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> doesn’t really want to buy a h\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ome, they do want to build equity.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I see the way that the desire to own a home is sort of constructed by the fact that it’s a great way to build wealth and have long-term stability. But I wish there were other ways to achieve that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911686\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 334px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-11911686\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg\" alt=\"A person sits on the grass.\" width=\"334\" height=\"334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1020x1020.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-160x160.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1536x1536.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1920x1920.jpeg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 334px) 100vw, 334px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cam Coulter wants KQED listeners to reimagine who we consider family, and how that might improve the housing crisis. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Cam Coulter)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> As for their other pie in the sky: Cam wants more \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ic.org/what-is-an-intentional-community-30th-birthday-day-13/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">intentional housing or co-housing communities\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I stop and dream about what, like, a beautiful, sustainable, healthy future would look like, I see housing that looks more like this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve lived in intentional community before, and I’d like to do that again in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Live not just with my own, how to say, like, nuclear family, but with other people, and to share space with them, share grocery budgets, do communal activities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would love to live in a co-housing community where my partner and I could have some of our own space but also share common spaces with community. I would love to live in, like, a larger, multi-family home where maybe four to 10 adults, or kids, could comfortably live together without overcrowding.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And this could benefit a lot of multi-generational families who I know are already overcrowded in their small single-family home. I think we have too few of those options.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is nonbinary, and says the connection between queer and trans folks living in found families has probably influenced this perspective.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One thing that makes me frustrated is that so many of the housing units we have are designed for a nuclear family. Or perhaps, you know, you can have maybe grandparents or something, but they’re really designed as like single-family homes or small apartments, or just one or a couple of people. But that’s not really what I want.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the largest barriers to\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">building more co-housing is, no surprise, money. But,\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is cheering on organizations like the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">South Bay Community Land Trust\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which is working on acquiring their \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/capital-campaign-reed-st-acquisition/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">first community-owned house in San Jose\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam believes co-housing can have additional benefits, like boosting our social health.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s like a really big issue these days, is that so many people are isolated. And when I lived in community before, I really loved just constantly having people around. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It did a lot of good for me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – SEARCHING FOR TREASURE]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our next listener knows that\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the housing crisis should be attacked on every single front. So Santa Cruz renter Ernesto Anguiano is setting his sights on a culprit that some might consider a friend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You see… Ernesto wants to see cities change their zoning laws to allow for more multi-family housing. And he wants to see Bay Area cities built denser. 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And the parking one was a unique aspect on it\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When there are parking minimums for housing developments\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, spaces for cars eat up what could be spaces for housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So you’re essentially subsidizing that parking space that you could be building valuable housing in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Ernesto sees it, denser cities create more transit options, so reducing a dependency on cars can help the environment, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and makes it possible to afford a home. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of these changes can help the housing crisis.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, everybody should have the opportunity and the ability to live where they want to live. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you want to have, you know, your single-family home, or your single-family neighborhood, you know, I can respect that. But at the same time, you have to give others the opportunity to live in that same neighborhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ernesto knows folks have a reliance on cars, but he hopes he’s planted the seed for more conversations in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we turn to Eva Hopkins who has a vision for Oakland, her hometown. She has big thoughts on gentrification and ways to address it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA HOPKINS:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You have to at least have one point something million dollars to get a good house, in a good area, in Oakland. And I essentially got priced out of Oakland.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When we spoke Eva had just sold her condo in Emeryville and was preparing to move into her new home in Hercules. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She sees how Oakland has changed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11830938\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11830938\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Single-family homes near MacArthur BART station in Oakland, on Feb. 21, 2020. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All these developers coming in, and I’m going to say, white developers, coming in and kicking us all out, rebuilding stuff, and making it unaffordable for the people that were there before. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Where you could have been paying $1,000 for rent, now you’re paying $4,000 for rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because if you talk about poverty, and stuff like that, you’re pushing us into poverty because we can’t afford this, and people don’t have anywhere to go. So where does that push them? When you push them out, that pushes them on the streets, and there’s poverty right there, right? So it’s basically keeping us from rising on top, and pushing us straight to the bottom.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s really important that when there are major developers coming in and redeveloping places, that they are community-driven. Get those construction companies that are in the community that you’re building in and get those residents working somehow, someway on this project so that they can live in the places that they build.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s not just Oakland\u003c/span>\u003cb> — \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eva works at a non-profit in San Francisco, and points to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://sf-hrc.org/sites/default/files/Dream%20Keeper%20Initiative_One%20Pager.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dream Keeper Initiative\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> as one tool to address gentrification there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a city-wide effort to reinvest $120 million from law enforcement into San Francisco’s Black community. $10 million is allocated for housing and homeownership.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Eva navigated the buyer and seller’s market these past few months, she said similar programs and initiatives really helped her, and she hopes prospective home buyers will take advantage of resources out there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They are making it possible for people of color, and you know us, to buy homes, so take advantage of it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Taking advantage of programs is just one way to stabilize communities. But while that may not have been enough to help Eva own in Oakland, she said she’s proud to live in a Bay Area city and remain near her mom and brother.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC TRANSITION]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> We’re going to take a quick break. Coming up, one listener points to some legislation they think could make waves in affordability, a landlord who considered leaving the business, and someone who shows us the devastating effects of displacement.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MIDROLL – ADVERTISEMENT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean Ripley emailed us wanting to talk about a controversial policy in his city. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Opportunity to Purchase Act, or OPA, would give current tenants, as well as qualifying nonprofits, the first shot at buying certain residential properties.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN RIPLEY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The hope is that this will create housing that has a permanent affordability to it, like the housing preservation that will happen over time.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although OPA has been discussed in the city since \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2018\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, it was first formally considered by the East Palo Alto City Council in \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">October 2021\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — and the disagreements soon followed, through Facebook forums and city protests.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">According to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.noepaopa.com/home\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NO to EPA OPA\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> website, one of the arguments against this ordinance is that it could damage the single-family housing market and property values.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911350\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 332px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11911350 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg\" alt=\"A man smiles at the camera while wearing a bright red jacket, in front of a wall of bright red flowers.\" width=\"332\" height=\"498\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-800x1200.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-160x240.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1024x1536.jpeg 1024w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love.jpeg 1365w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 332px) 100vw, 332px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sean Ripley, seen here posing for a local event, wants KQED listeners to know what’s happening in his city of East Palo Alto. \u003ccite>(Jerry Chang, courtesy of Sean Ripley)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s kind of that part of the conversation, the financial argument on one side, against the kind of, housing and restorative justice aspect on the other side.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean and his wife own a single-family home in East Palo Alto. As a homeowner, he recognizes that his property value could fall, but in the end, he says he wants to see everyone in his community have an equitable opportunity to grow and thrive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do care about the value of my house. But I would be willing to take a hit to that value if I knew that the neighbors around me would be able to be uplifted.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because I know that them being uplifted raises everything, including myself. I don’t have to just focus on my property, in my silo, in my small piece of the world — I live in something bigger. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I spoke to Sean in February, a vote was expected on OPA on March 1st, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03/02/east-palo-alto-tables-considers-diluting-controversial-tenants-rights-ordinance/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">but it’s since been postponed, likely, for up to 10 months.\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This season of Sold Out talked about the loss of small landlords, and how the rise of corporate landlords has led to more evictions. But what makes a small landlord want to stop being a landlord?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny Johnston says so much of being a landlord has changed, and recently, she considered leaving the business.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny lives in a Berkeley duplex she and her husband purchased in 2003, and they started renting it out to help pay their mortgage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back then, she says identifying a tenant was a lot easier. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY JOHNSTON: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And at that time, we interviewed people and we did a background check, and we checked and saw what they were earning. We kind of basically just said, “Well, I don’t know, did you get a good feeling from those people or not?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But now, she says the pandemic’s impacts on the economy, plus the eviction moratorium have made it much more challenging to be a landlord.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11809882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11809882\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg\" alt=\"Two houses, side by side, one with boarded-up windows.\" width=\"800\" height=\"523\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-160x105.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1020x666.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1920x1254.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. Gavin Newsom’s moratorium on evictions came after advocacy organizations and some state lawmakers made repeated calls to the governor to provide protection to renters when residents were told to shelter in place. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The criteria have gotten stricter. I needed to make sure that people had almost like an extra cushion, that they would be able to, you know — and maybe I’m very careful — like, you know, what if somebody was working for a restaurant or a bakery? Well, you know, it could shut down if business wasn’t good, right?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It even made Jenny question whether this was still a sustainable source of income.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If I look back that far and I say, hey, if I had gotten out of this and just put the money into some mutual fund in the stock market or something, I would have actually done better.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, companies own at least two-thirds of apartment buildings nationwide — a big change from the late 80’s when a majority of landlords were considered “mom and pop” shops.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says she knows of other property owners who have stopped renting because the process has become too difficult to manage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I mean, I understand that during the pandemic the government didn’t want people to be kicked out of their housing because of the lack of rent, but I’ve heard of several cases of other friends of mine who have units who just stopped renting them because they didn’t want to rent out without knowing that they had some control over what was happening on their property.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says regulations like eviction protections and rent payment postponement, have made renting more labor-intensive, and financially riskier for her.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She believes a way out of the crisis is to build more housing, rather than placing more restrictions on the limited housing available.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> If you take a number of places that already exist and start to make a lot of rules about how people can offer those, it doesn’t make more places for people to live, it actually makes it harder.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t hear that point of view very often. And I know that, you know, different people see this in different ways and that, you know, some protections are important, but just trying to make people offer their units in a certain way is not going to create new units or places for people to live.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny continues to rent out her place in Berkeley, and says seeing more houses built in her East Bay community gives her hope.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we’ll hear from two organizers — the experiences that brought them to this work, and the issues they’re determined to solve.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX MELENDREZ: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Housing is a human right.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Alex Melendrez lives with his parents in San Bruno, where he pays rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he has a guiding principle for his work.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everyone deserves a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As the son of Mexican and Afghan immigrants, Alex is concerned with how the housing crisis has led to overcrowding in immigrant and refugee communities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many of them will tell you finding permanently affordable housing is the biggest challenge to stabilizing community members who already face large barriers and cultural changes that make adjusting difficult.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not a recipe for success if you do not have a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911688\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 372px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-11911688\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg\" alt=\"A young man stands in the snow.\" width=\"372\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1020x1275.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1229x1536.jpg 1229w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 372px) 100vw, 372px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alex Melendrez wrote to KQED wanting to talk about the effects the housing crisis has had on refugee communities. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Alex Melendrez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Despite all the challenges surrounding the housing crisis, Alex remains hopeful.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As cheesy as it sounds, never underestimate your power to be part of the solution. Sending an email, making public comments, participating in an upcoming housing discussion.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I like to say any good organizer who loves policies or the debates around these conversations knows that policy isn’t what organizes people — it’s stories and impact.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: With that, we turn to our final conversation with someone who has experienced eviction very young — Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Knowing its effects firsthand has been a huge motivation in Margot’s work today, and it gives her a unique perspective on politics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Her story starts in San Jose — the place where she last felt stability during her childhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a two-story house. It was like a white building with, like, blue roofs.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I lived in that house until I was 11. What I really remember about that home was like, it was ours, like, it was ours.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of that started changing around 2007, which is when my dad started receiving lots of calls from the bank.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then finally, in like 2008, I remember one day my dad telling us, we’re going to lose the house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This was during the Great Recession. Without an immediate place to go, her dad put their belongings in a storage unit.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And I remember, like, just staring at a pile of my toys and thinking to myself, like, I’m not going to be able to take all of these with me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a child, Margot says she didn’t understand the foreclosure crisis, or why the things that comforted her were now going away.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She has a strong memory of sitting in her dad’s car.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And like looking up at the sky and being like, I hope to God he finds a house soon. Like, that we can be a family again.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot moved around a lot over the next few years — 4 different cities, 3 different high schools, and many different homes.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She told me about the place they moved into after losing her childhood home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The only house we could get was not equipped for people to be living in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just remember like constantly, like, scratching at my ankles, and like these open sores would be on my ankles for, like, days because of all the flea bites. And we also didn’t have any furniture in that house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Margot says housing instability dominoed into every part of her life.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s largely like a lack of security, a lack of the ability to feel calm, a lack of the ability to relax or, you know, feel confident in your future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That lack of security affected\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s grades and social life. She remembers getting a D in Spanish class, despite being a native speaker.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I remember sitting at the Caltrain and, like, thinking, like, there’s no future for me to go to college or anything like that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Margot remained determined to continue her education.\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In her senior year of high school, she worked 40 hours a week to save enough money for the first few months of rent in the college dorms.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then for my 18th birthday present, my dad bought me a chance to take the S.A.T. and so that was my — I remember that was my 18th birthday present.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s experiences with the housing crisis set her on her life path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911349\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 342px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11911349 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg\" alt=\"A young woman with red glasses takes a selfie while in a room decorated with books.\" width=\"342\" height=\"456\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-800x1067.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-160x213.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1152x1536.jpeg 1152w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1536x2048.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Margot Rinaldo wrote to KQED wanting to share how her childhood shaped her views on housing issues. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Margot Rinaldo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She graduated from Sacramento State in December 2021 with a degree in political science. She now lives in Sacramento and is a community organizer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She’s \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">also\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> a regular at City Council meetings.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you’re a homeowner, you’re listened to when you call into the City Council meetings and you tell them you don’t like the look of unhoused people living near your neighborhood. They’ll go and sweep those people because you’re a homeowner, like, you matter.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s clear to me is, like, certain people’s housing is a priority.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What Margot has learned throughout her childhood, her studies and her involvement in the community is that housing instability and displacement is not a failure of individuals.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a collective failure of our society. Especially for folks who have gone through so much housing insecurity like it’s really important to like, reclaim your sense of self.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As for solutions, Margot has a lot of ideas on how we can begin to chip away at the housing crisis, starting with more action from government leaders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>You know, o\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ur local representatives need to start advocating at the state level. If they are being burdened by state policies that are not allowing them to move quickly enough for renters or for unhoused people, like, they need to start advocating at the state level. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And she’s got some advice on how to get started.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I hope if any young people are listening like you have power — you do have power. It takes a bit to organize and to, like, get to know where your supporters are in your community, but they’re there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not only should you join an organization, but you should also be, like, reevaluating possibly how your individual circumstances are connected to the larger community around you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When I think of home, I think about how every time I go to the Bay now, I take the Amtrak. When I get off the Amtrak, the bus transfer is right in front of the biggest Chase Bank building you’ve ever seen. When I sit across the street from that building, I wonder who is allowed in the highest levels of that building?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know that my view of San Francisco is really different than theirs. And so in those moments, I’m really overcome with, like, bittersweet homesickness. That reminds me of when I was growing up there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like the Bay Area for me has always been an art gallery, where the paintings are placed really high so only the tallest people are ever able to see them. And then as I’ve gotten older, I’ve been able to identify that the place that I’ve always considered home has always seemed to reject me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot has been dedicating her energy on political education, by organizing teach-ins on Sacramento’s history of housing segregation, how housing policies work, and how to inspire greater local advocacy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared their stories with me. That’s Cam Coulter, Ernesto Anguiano, Eva Hopkins, and Sean Ripley, Jenny Johnston, Alex Melendrez, and Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And to the many others who shared their housing experiences — thank you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[THEME MUSIC IN] \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For those of you who haven’t gotten in touch — and still want to — we’re here! Send us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:housing@kqed.org\">housing@kqed.org\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We always want to hear your experiences and your biggest, boldest and wildest idea for the future of housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERIN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Sold Out producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared a tweet, Instagram post, or called and emailed us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sold Out is a production of KQED. Natalia Aldana reported and produced this story. Editing by Kyana Moghadam and Jessica Placzek. 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You’re listening to Sold Out: Rethinking Housing in America, and today we’ve got something special for you from producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Take it away, Natalia.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[SOLD OUT THEME MUSIC BEGINS]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11841421\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 451px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-11841421\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"451\" height=\"299\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-800x530.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1020x676.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut-1536x1018.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/10/RS16247_GettyImages-150582090-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 451px) 100vw, 451px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A red for sale sign outside a home with a “sold pending” sticker posted across the front. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA ALDANA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When it comes to the housing crisis, every Californian has something to say about it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Man, it’s like — it’s like the air we breathe. It is literally, like, a fact of life if you live in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>NATALIA: \u003c/strong>We can all point to how it’s impacted us — affected our families, our neighborhoods, and our livelihoods.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Throughout this season of Sold Out, we’ve been asking for your thoughts and experiences when it comes to housing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So many of you got in touch. And today, you’ll hear from seven people whose stories might challenge you, empathize with you, and hopefully, inspire you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC – DECK LOFI]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">First up, we have a listener who wants us to rethink how we live — literally\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">who we share a roof with, and how the \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">way \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">we understand family impacts our housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam Coulter rents an apartment with his partner in San Jose. And Cam thinks the housing system favors homeowners. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM COULTER: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is probably a little hot-take, but I wish I could write off my rent payments as tax-deductible.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam recognizes that tax incentives are meant to motivate homeownership. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And that might work in other parts of the country. But here I feel like it really just punishes the people who can’t afford to buy a home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although rent is not tax-deductible in California — the state does award a $60 renters tax credit for qualifying single filers who earn less than $43,533 a year. Since Cam and I last spoke, \u003ca href=\"https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/californias-renter-tax-credit-has-remained-unchanged-for-43-years-it-could-soon-increase/ar-AAW402s\">a state bill has been proposed that could potentially increase that credit to $500.\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – DECK LOFI OUT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While Cam\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> doesn’t really want to buy a h\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ome, they do want to build equity.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I see the way that the desire to own a home is sort of constructed by the fact that it’s a great way to build wealth and have long-term stability. But I wish there were other ways to achieve that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911686\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 334px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-11911686\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg\" alt=\"A person sits on the grass.\" width=\"334\" height=\"334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-800x800.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1020x1020.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-160x160.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1536x1536.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter-1920x1920.jpeg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Cam-Coulter.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 334px) 100vw, 334px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cam Coulter wants KQED listeners to reimagine who we consider family, and how that might improve the housing crisis. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Cam Coulter)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> As for their other pie in the sky: Cam wants more \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ic.org/what-is-an-intentional-community-30th-birthday-day-13/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">intentional housing or co-housing communities\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I stop and dream about what, like, a beautiful, sustainable, healthy future would look like, I see housing that looks more like this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve lived in intentional community before, and I’d like to do that again in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Live not just with my own, how to say, like, nuclear family, but with other people, and to share space with them, share grocery budgets, do communal activities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would love to live in a co-housing community where my partner and I could have some of our own space but also share common spaces with community. I would love to live in, like, a larger, multi-family home where maybe four to 10 adults, or kids, could comfortably live together without overcrowding.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And this could benefit a lot of multi-generational families who I know are already overcrowded in their small single-family home. I think we have too few of those options.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – \u003c/b>\u003cb>SUNKISSED]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is nonbinary, and says the connection between queer and trans folks living in found families has probably influenced this perspective.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One thing that makes me frustrated is that so many of the housing units we have are designed for a nuclear family. Or perhaps, you know, you can have maybe grandparents or something, but they’re really designed as like single-family homes or small apartments, or just one or a couple of people. But that’s not really what I want.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the largest barriers to\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">building more co-housing is, no surprise, money. But,\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam is cheering on organizations like the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">South Bay Community Land Trust\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which is working on acquiring their \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://southbayclt.org/capital-campaign-reed-st-acquisition/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">first community-owned house in San Jose\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cam believes co-housing can have additional benefits, like boosting our social health.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CAM: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s like a really big issue these days, is that so many people are isolated. And when I lived in community before, I really loved just constantly having people around. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It did a lot of good for me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN – SEARCHING FOR TREASURE]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our next listener knows that\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the housing crisis should be attacked on every single front. So Santa Cruz renter Ernesto Anguiano is setting his sights on a culprit that some might consider a friend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You see… Ernesto wants to see cities change their zoning laws to allow for more multi-family housing. And he wants to see Bay Area cities built denser. He thinks one way to achieve that is by rethinking parking.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911347\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 536px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11911347 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1020x689.jpg\" alt=\"A man stands on a mountainside with a board.\" width=\"536\" height=\"362\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1020x689.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-800x540.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-160x108.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA-1536x1038.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/ErnestoA.jpg 1818w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 536px) 100vw, 536px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ernesto Anguiano rents in Santa Cruz and wants listeners to consider how their car might impact the housing crisis. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Ernesto Anguiano)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT – SEARCHING FOR TREASURE]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There’s a lot of things that affect your ability to purchase a home. And the parking one was a unique aspect on it\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When there are parking minimums for housing developments\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, spaces for cars eat up what could be spaces for housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So you’re essentially subsidizing that parking space that you could be building valuable housing in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Ernesto sees it, denser cities create more transit options, so reducing a dependency on cars can help the environment, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">and makes it possible to afford a home. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of these changes can help the housing crisis.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERNESTO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, everybody should have the opportunity and the ability to live where they want to live. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you want to have, you know, your single-family home, or your single-family neighborhood, you know, I can respect that. But at the same time, you have to give others the opportunity to live in that same neighborhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ernesto knows folks have a reliance on cars, but he hopes he’s planted the seed for more conversations in the future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we turn to Eva Hopkins who has a vision for Oakland, her hometown. She has big thoughts on gentrification and ways to address it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA HOPKINS:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> You have to at least have one point something million dollars to get a good house, in a good area, in Oakland. And I essentially got priced out of Oakland.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When we spoke Eva had just sold her condo in Emeryville and was preparing to move into her new home in Hercules. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: WURLY REGGAETON]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She sees how Oakland has changed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11830938\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11830938\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/07/RS41536_009_KQED_Housing_Oakland_02212020_3511-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Single-family homes near MacArthur BART station in Oakland, on Feb. 21, 2020. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All these developers coming in, and I’m going to say, white developers, coming in and kicking us all out, rebuilding stuff, and making it unaffordable for the people that were there before. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Where you could have been paying $1,000 for rent, now you’re paying $4,000 for rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because if you talk about poverty, and stuff like that, you’re pushing us into poverty because we can’t afford this, and people don’t have anywhere to go. So where does that push them? When you push them out, that pushes them on the streets, and there’s poverty right there, right? So it’s basically keeping us from rising on top, and pushing us straight to the bottom.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s really important that when there are major developers coming in and redeveloping places, that they are community-driven. Get those construction companies that are in the community that you’re building in and get those residents working somehow, someway on this project so that they can live in the places that they build.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s not just Oakland\u003c/span>\u003cb> — \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Eva works at a non-profit in San Francisco, and points to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://sf-hrc.org/sites/default/files/Dream%20Keeper%20Initiative_One%20Pager.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dream Keeper Initiative\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> as one tool to address gentrification there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: DIZZY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a city-wide effort to reinvest $120 million from law enforcement into San Francisco’s Black community. $10 million is allocated for housing and homeownership.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Eva navigated the buyer and seller’s market these past few months, she said similar programs and initiatives really helped her, and she hopes prospective home buyers will take advantage of resources out there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>EVA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They are making it possible for people of color, and you know us, to buy homes, so take advantage of it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Taking advantage of programs is just one way to stabilize communities. But while that may not have been enough to help Eva own in Oakland, she said she’s proud to live in a Bay Area city and remain near her mom and brother.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC TRANSITION]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> We’re going to take a quick break. Coming up, one listener points to some legislation they think could make waves in affordability, a landlord who considered leaving the business, and someone who shows us the devastating effects of displacement.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MIDROLL – ADVERTISEMENT]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean Ripley emailed us wanting to talk about a controversial policy in his city. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Opportunity to Purchase Act, or OPA, would give current tenants, as well as qualifying nonprofits, the first shot at buying certain residential properties.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN RIPLEY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The hope is that this will create housing that has a permanent affordability to it, like the housing preservation that will happen over time.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although OPA has been discussed in the city since \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2018\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, it was first formally considered by the East Palo Alto City Council in \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cityofepa.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/housing/page/20967/2021.10.05_ppt_epa_opportunity_to_purchase_act_final.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">October 2021\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — and the disagreements soon followed, through Facebook forums and city protests.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">According to the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.noepaopa.com/home\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NO to EPA OPA\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> website, one of the arguments against this ordinance is that it could damage the single-family housing market and property values.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911350\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 332px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11911350 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg\" alt=\"A man smiles at the camera while wearing a bright red jacket, in front of a wall of bright red flowers.\" width=\"332\" height=\"498\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1020x1530.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-800x1200.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-160x240.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love-1024x1536.jpeg 1024w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Sean-Ripley-Day-of-Love.jpeg 1365w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 332px) 100vw, 332px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sean Ripley, seen here posing for a local event, wants KQED listeners to know what’s happening in his city of East Palo Alto. \u003ccite>(Jerry Chang, courtesy of Sean Ripley)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s kind of that part of the conversation, the financial argument on one side, against the kind of, housing and restorative justice aspect on the other side.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sean and his wife own a single-family home in East Palo Alto. As a homeowner, he recognizes that his property value could fall, but in the end, he says he wants to see everyone in his community have an equitable opportunity to grow and thrive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>SEAN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do care about the value of my house. But I would be willing to take a hit to that value if I knew that the neighbors around me would be able to be uplifted.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because I know that them being uplifted raises everything, including myself. I don’t have to just focus on my property, in my silo, in my small piece of the world — I live in something bigger. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When I spoke to Sean in February, a vote was expected on OPA on March 1st, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03/02/east-palo-alto-tables-considers-diluting-controversial-tenants-rights-ordinance/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">but it’s since been postponed, likely, for up to 10 months.\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This season of Sold Out talked about the loss of small landlords, and how the rise of corporate landlords has led to more evictions. But what makes a small landlord want to stop being a landlord?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny Johnston says so much of being a landlord has changed, and recently, she considered leaving the business.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny lives in a Berkeley duplex she and her husband purchased in 2003, and they started renting it out to help pay their mortgage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back then, she says identifying a tenant was a lot easier. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: ALWAYS ON THE UP HIP HOP]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY JOHNSTON: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And at that time, we interviewed people and we did a background check, and we checked and saw what they were earning. We kind of basically just said, “Well, I don’t know, did you get a good feeling from those people or not?”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But now, she says the pandemic’s impacts on the economy, plus the eviction moratorium have made it much more challenging to be a landlord.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11809882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11809882\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg\" alt=\"Two houses, side by side, one with boarded-up windows.\" width=\"800\" height=\"523\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-800x523.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-160x105.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1020x666.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/04/RS612_foreclosure20120511-1920x1254.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. Gavin Newsom’s moratorium on evictions came after advocacy organizations and some state lawmakers made repeated calls to the governor to provide protection to renters when residents were told to shelter in place. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The criteria have gotten stricter. I needed to make sure that people had almost like an extra cushion, that they would be able to, you know — and maybe I’m very careful — like, you know, what if somebody was working for a restaurant or a bakery? Well, you know, it could shut down if business wasn’t good, right?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It even made Jenny question whether this was still a sustainable source of income.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If I look back that far and I say, hey, if I had gotten out of this and just put the money into some mutual fund in the stock market or something, I would have actually done better.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, companies own at least two-thirds of apartment buildings nationwide — a big change from the late 80’s when a majority of landlords were considered “mom and pop” shops.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says she knows of other property owners who have stopped renting because the process has become too difficult to manage.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I mean, I understand that during the pandemic the government didn’t want people to be kicked out of their housing because of the lack of rent, but I’ve heard of several cases of other friends of mine who have units who just stopped renting them because they didn’t want to rent out without knowing that they had some control over what was happening on their property.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny says regulations like eviction protections and rent payment postponement, have made renting more labor-intensive, and financially riskier for her.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PASTIME]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She believes a way out of the crisis is to build more housing, rather than placing more restrictions on the limited housing available.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>JENNY:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> If you take a number of places that already exist and start to make a lot of rules about how people can offer those, it doesn’t make more places for people to live, it actually makes it harder.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t hear that point of view very often. And I know that, you know, different people see this in different ways and that, you know, some protections are important, but just trying to make people offer their units in a certain way is not going to create new units or places for people to live.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jenny continues to rent out her place in Berkeley, and says seeing more houses built in her East Bay community gives her hope.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Next, we’ll hear from two organizers — the experiences that brought them to this work, and the issues they’re determined to solve.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX MELENDREZ: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Housing is a human right.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Alex Melendrez lives with his parents in San Bruno, where he pays rent.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he has a guiding principle for his work.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everyone deserves a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: Lo Fi Fun Rap]\u003c/b>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As the son of Mexican and Afghan immigrants, Alex is concerned with how the housing crisis has led to overcrowding in immigrant and refugee communities.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many of them will tell you finding permanently affordable housing is the biggest challenge to stabilizing community members who already face large barriers and cultural changes that make adjusting difficult.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not a recipe for success if you do not have a stable home.\u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911688\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 372px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-11911688\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg\" alt=\"A young man stands in the snow.\" width=\"372\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-800x1000.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1020x1275.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez-1229x1536.jpg 1229w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/Alex-Melendrez.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 372px) 100vw, 372px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alex Melendrez wrote to KQED wanting to talk about the effects the housing crisis has had on refugee communities. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Alex Melendrez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Despite all the challenges surrounding the housing crisis, Alex remains hopeful.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ALEX: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As cheesy as it sounds, never underestimate your power to be part of the solution. Sending an email, making public comments, participating in an upcoming housing discussion.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I like to say any good organizer who loves policies or the debates around these conversations knows that policy isn’t what organizes people — it’s stories and impact.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">: With that, we turn to our final conversation with someone who has experienced eviction very young — Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Knowing its effects firsthand has been a huge motivation in Margot’s work today, and it gives her a unique perspective on politics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Her story starts in San Jose — the place where she last felt stability during her childhood.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT RINALDO: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was a two-story house. It was like a white building with, like, blue roofs.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I lived in that house until I was 11. What I really remember about that home was like, it was ours, like, it was ours.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All of that started changing around 2007, which is when my dad started receiving lots of calls from the bank.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: PEACEFUL WONDER]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then finally, in like 2008, I remember one day my dad telling us, we’re going to lose the house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This was during the Great Recession. Without an immediate place to go, her dad put their belongings in a storage unit.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And I remember, like, just staring at a pile of my toys and thinking to myself, like, I’m not going to be able to take all of these with me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a child, Margot says she didn’t understand the foreclosure crisis, or why the things that comforted her were now going away.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She has a strong memory of sitting in her dad’s car.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And like looking up at the sky and being like, I hope to God he finds a house soon. Like, that we can be a family again.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot moved around a lot over the next few years — 4 different cities, 3 different high schools, and many different homes.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She told me about the place they moved into after losing her childhood home.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> The only house we could get was not equipped for people to be living in.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just remember like constantly, like, scratching at my ankles, and like these open sores would be on my ankles for, like, days because of all the flea bites. And we also didn’t have any furniture in that house.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Margot says housing instability dominoed into every part of her life.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s largely like a lack of security, a lack of the ability to feel calm, a lack of the ability to relax or, you know, feel confident in your future.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That lack of security affected\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s grades and social life. She remembers getting a D in Spanish class, despite being a native speaker.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I remember sitting at the Caltrain and, like, thinking, like, there’s no future for me to go to college or anything like that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Margot remained determined to continue her education.\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In her senior year of high school, she worked 40 hours a week to save enough money for the first few months of rent in the college dorms.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then for my 18th birthday present, my dad bought me a chance to take the S.A.T. and so that was my — I remember that was my 18th birthday present.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot’s experiences with the housing crisis set her on her life path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11911349\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 342px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11911349 \" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg\" alt=\"A young woman with red glasses takes a selfie while in a room decorated with books.\" width=\"342\" height=\"456\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1020x1360.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-800x1067.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-160x213.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1152x1536.jpeg 1152w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-1536x2048.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/04/IMG_5823-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Margot Rinaldo wrote to KQED wanting to share how her childhood shaped her views on housing issues. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Margot Rinaldo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She graduated from Sacramento State in December 2021 with a degree in political science. She now lives in Sacramento and is a community organizer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She’s \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">also\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> a regular at City Council meetings.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you’re a homeowner, you’re listened to when you call into the City Council meetings and you tell them you don’t like the look of unhoused people living near your neighborhood. They’ll go and sweep those people because you’re a homeowner, like, you matter.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s clear to me is, like, certain people’s housing is a priority.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: NEW INQUIRY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What Margot has learned throughout her childhood, her studies and her involvement in the community is that housing instability and displacement is not a failure of individuals.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s a collective failure of our society. Especially for folks who have gone through so much housing insecurity like it’s really important to like, reclaim your sense of self.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As for solutions, Margot has a lot of ideas on how we can begin to chip away at the housing crisis, starting with more action from government leaders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>You know, o\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">ur local representatives need to start advocating at the state level. If they are being burdened by state policies that are not allowing them to move quickly enough for renters or for unhoused people, like, they need to start advocating at the state level. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And she’s got some advice on how to get started.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I hope if any young people are listening like you have power — you do have power. It takes a bit to organize and to, like, get to know where your supporters are in your community, but they’re there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not only should you join an organization, but you should also be, like, reevaluating possibly how your individual circumstances are connected to the larger community around you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC IN: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MARGOT:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> When I think of home, I think about how every time I go to the Bay now, I take the Amtrak. When I get off the Amtrak, the bus transfer is right in front of the biggest Chase Bank building you’ve ever seen. When I sit across the street from that building, I wonder who is allowed in the highest levels of that building?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know that my view of San Francisco is really different than theirs. And so in those moments, I’m really overcome with, like, bittersweet homesickness. That reminds me of when I was growing up there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like the Bay Area for me has always been an art gallery, where the paintings are placed really high so only the tallest people are ever able to see them. And then as I’ve gotten older, I’ve been able to identify that the place that I’ve always considered home has always seemed to reject me.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NATALIA: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Margot has been dedicating her energy on political education, by organizing teach-ins on Sacramento’s history of housing segregation, how housing policies work, and how to inspire greater local advocacy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared their stories with me. That’s Cam Coulter, Ernesto Anguiano, Eva Hopkins, and Sean Ripley, Jenny Johnston, Alex Melendrez, and Margot Rinaldo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[MUSIC OUT: LEAVING THE CITY]\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And to the many others who shared their housing experiences — thank you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>[THEME MUSIC IN] \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For those of you who haven’t gotten in touch — and still want to — we’re here! Send us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:housing@kqed.org\">housing@kqed.org\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We always want to hear your experiences and your biggest, boldest and wildest idea for the future of housing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>ERIN: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Sold Out producer Natalia Aldana.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you to everyone who shared a tweet, Instagram post, or called and emailed us.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sold Out is a production of KQED. Natalia Aldana reported and produced this story. Editing by Kyana Moghadam and Jessica Placzek. Additional support came from Erika Kelly, Molly Solomon, and me, Erin Baldassari.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>MOLLY: \u003c/strong>Brendan Willard is our sound engineer. And Rob Speight wrote our theme song. Gerald Fermin is our engagement intern.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We couldn’t have made this season without Ethan Toven-Lindsey, Holly Kernan, Erika Aguilar and Vinnee Tong.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>ERIN: \u003c/strong>Thanks so much for listening. That’s a wrap!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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