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But company decisions to roll out the technology are often happening at high-level meetings behind closed doors without much worker input, which fuels mistrust, he said.[aside postID=news_12072837 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/02/020926_KAISERSTRIKE_8137B-KQED.jpg']“It’s connected to the broader anxiety that we just don’t know where all this is going,” said Horwitz, who studies how digital technologies, including AI, can improve access to care. “Across industries, there’s a lot of like, ‘Well, wait a minute, having these AI things definitely makes money for people at the top at the expense of workers doing the jobs. Why are we all getting in line to just try to keep propelling this forward without having a thoughtful approach to it?’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday morning, therapists walked off their jobs and headed to picket lines outside Kaiser facilities in Oakland, Sacramento, Santa Rosa, Santa Clara and Fresno.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Oakland, Harimandir Khalsa, 55, said her team of clinicians who screen patients seeking mental health services in the Walnut Creek area has been reduced by two-thirds. Instead, Kaiser is increasingly using telephone operators and online surveys or questionnaires that use AI to screen patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have seen firsthand patients who were screened by a telephone service operator and sent to an external referral network. In some cases, they were self-harming … they should never have been sent out, they should have talked to a clinician to assess risk, to come up with safety planning and get them a more urgent appointment,” Khalsa told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This latest walkout comes about a month after the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12074265/widespread-kaiser-strike-to-end-after-4-weeks-with-no-deal-yet\">end of a four-week strike\u003c/a> that initially involved up to 31,000 nurses, physician assistants, physical therapists, optometrists and other health care employees in California and Hawaii. Those workers are currently voting on whether to ratify tentative agreements the union said included wage increases, as well as staffing and AI protections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2022, therapists at Kaiser represented by the same union \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11923034/were-drowning-why-kaiser-mental-health-workers-are-striking\">went on strike for 10 weeks\u003c/a>, over concerns about patient care delays, workloads, understaffing and other issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12076877\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12076877 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mental health workers strike at the Kaiser Oakland Medical Facility in Oakland on March 18, 2026. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Kaiser has agreed to multimillion-dollar settlements with state and federal regulators in recent years related to long wait times for patients seeking mental health services. 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The company unilaterally replaced many trained clinicians with unqualified telephone operators and an online questionnaire with AI to make recommendations on next steps, according to the union, which considers the move an unfair labor practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12076882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12076882\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED-1536x1025.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mental health workers strike at the Kaiser Oakland Medical Facility in Oakland on March 18, 2026. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Federman, the therapist in San Leandro, said the new system is missing high-risk patients, making them wait longer than recommended to see a provider.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m seeing a lot of people, where it’s like, ‘wow, they’re really acute,’ and by the time triage [sends them], it’s been a month that they’ve waited — and that’s really dangerous,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The therapists’ contract with Kaiser ended last September. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s really sad that this is how they are choosing to behave,” said Leemore Federman, a Kaiser therapist in San Leandro who specializes in post-traumatic stress disorder and anxiety and is part of the union’s bargaining team. “If Kaiser wanted to, they have abundant resources to make the mental health department at Kaiser the best, and instead they’re doing everything to make it the worst.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Oakland-based health care giant, which has been under pressure to improve timely access to mental health and substance use disorder services, denies that AI makes any medical or care decisions or is being used to replace therapists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kaiser said it has invested nearly $2 billion since 2020 to expand mental health facilities, hire and train clinicians, and grow its provider network so its more than 9 million California health plan enrollees can get care faster.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12076878\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12076878\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-02-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-02-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-02-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-02-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mental health workers strike at the Kaiser Oakland Medical Facility in Oakland on March 18, 2026. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We are growing our workforce, not shrinking it, and our commitment to building a pipeline of trained therapists is unquestionable,” the company said in a statement. “We see technology — and AI, in particular — as a way to support our clinicians in managing their practice and provide them with tools that facilitate greater access to care and connection with patients — all to achieve the best possible outcomes for our patients.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We believe AI can be helpful when it supports clinicians — by reducing administrative work or improving efficiency — but it does not replace clinical judgment or human assessment,” Kaiser said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the AI boom advances with few guardrails, workers in health care and other industries are feeling anxiety about how their employers may use the technology, said Adam Horwitz, an assistant professor at the University of Michigan’s Department of Psychiatry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So far, health care companies have introduced AI tools mostly for administrative support tasks, such as note-taking during appointments or patient scheduling, rather than direct patient care. But company decisions to roll out the technology are often happening at high-level meetings behind closed doors without much worker input, which fuels mistrust, he said.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“It’s connected to the broader anxiety that we just don’t know where all this is going,” said Horwitz, who studies how digital technologies, including AI, can improve access to care. “Across industries, there’s a lot of like, ‘Well, wait a minute, having these AI things definitely makes money for people at the top at the expense of workers doing the jobs. Why are we all getting in line to just try to keep propelling this forward without having a thoughtful approach to it?’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Wednesday morning, therapists walked off their jobs and headed to picket lines outside Kaiser facilities in Oakland, Sacramento, Santa Rosa, Santa Clara and Fresno.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Oakland, Harimandir Khalsa, 55, said her team of clinicians who screen patients seeking mental health services in the Walnut Creek area has been reduced by two-thirds. Instead, Kaiser is increasingly using telephone operators and online surveys or questionnaires that use AI to screen patients.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have seen firsthand patients who were screened by a telephone service operator and sent to an external referral network. In some cases, they were self-harming … they should never have been sent out, they should have talked to a clinician to assess risk, to come up with safety planning and get them a more urgent appointment,” Khalsa told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This latest walkout comes about a month after the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12074265/widespread-kaiser-strike-to-end-after-4-weeks-with-no-deal-yet\">end of a four-week strike\u003c/a> that initially involved up to 31,000 nurses, physician assistants, physical therapists, optometrists and other health care employees in California and Hawaii. Those workers are currently voting on whether to ratify tentative agreements the union said included wage increases, as well as staffing and AI protections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2022, therapists at Kaiser represented by the same union \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11923034/were-drowning-why-kaiser-mental-health-workers-are-striking\">went on strike for 10 weeks\u003c/a>, over concerns about patient care delays, workloads, understaffing and other issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12076877\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12076877 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-01-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mental health workers strike at the Kaiser Oakland Medical Facility in Oakland on March 18, 2026. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Kaiser has agreed to multimillion-dollar settlements with state and federal regulators in recent years related to long wait times for patients seeking mental health services. Last month, the U.S. Department of Labor \u003ca href=\"https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ebsa/ebsa20260210\">announced \u003c/a>the company will pay a $2.8 million penalty, and at least $28.3 million to reimburse patients who sought out-of-network care after Kaiser delayed or improperly denied care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2023, the state’s largest health plan said it would invest $150 million over five years to improve behavioral health for its patients and pay a $50 million fine to resolve a California Department of Managed Health Care \u003ca href=\"https://wpso.dmhc.ca.gov/enfactions/docs/4367/1697136977902.pdf\">investigation\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A spokesperson for the agency, which oversees mental health services in the state, said it is monitoring Kaiser’s progress and investigating a union \u003ca href=\"https://nuhw.org/wp-content/uploads/NUHW-Complaint_DMHC_NorCalTriageServices_2025.docx-1.pdf\">complaint\u003c/a> alleging that Kaiser is flouting a state law requiring licensed health care professionals to initially assess patients to determine what care they need.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNHW maintains that beginning in 2024, Kaiser changed how it screens patients when they call or go online seeking care. The company unilaterally replaced many trained clinicians with unqualified telephone operators and an online questionnaire with AI to make recommendations on next steps, according to the union, which considers the move an unfair labor practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12076882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12076882\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/03/260318-KAISER-MENTAL-HEALTH-STRIKE-MD-06-KQED-1536x1025.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mental health workers strike at the Kaiser Oakland Medical Facility in Oakland on March 18, 2026. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Federman, the therapist in San Leandro, said the new system is missing high-risk patients, making them wait longer than recommended to see a provider.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m seeing a lot of people, where it’s like, ‘wow, they’re really acute,’ and by the time triage [sends them], it’s been a month that they’ve waited — and that’s really dangerous,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The therapists’ contract with Kaiser ended last September. During bargaining, the company has sought to eliminate current workload limits that allow therapists to have enough time to care for existing patients, Federman said. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The health care industry has often been slow to adopt new technology — but not when it comes to AI. And as Kaiser Permanente’s mental health clinicians in Northern California negotiate their latest contract with the company, they’re looking for reassurance that AI isn’t coming for their jobs.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Links:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1999553/will-ai-replace-your-therapist-kaiser-wont-say-no\">Will AI Replace Your Therapist? Kaiser Won’t Say No\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC3808554854\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco-Northern California Local.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted. So I went to the doctor’s the other day, and as expected, the nurse asked some pretty basic questions. How tall am I? Do I exercise? Any history of cancer in the family? Then, when the doctor walked in, she asked a pretty surprising question. Would it be okay if they used some sort of automated transcriber to take notes on my visit? An automated transcriber, as in AI, I asked. Turns out AI is everywhere, including in the doctor’s office. Some in the healthcare industry say AI is making their lives easier. But others, like the mental healthcare workers at Kaiser are also worried that it could replace them entirely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:01:05] A lot of our members are afraid that it’s going to shift into full-blown therapy, right? That there are going to be new technologies that allow Kaiser to provide, you know, chat-based mental health care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:20] Today, will AI replace your therapist? And why the debate at Kaiser is worth watching.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:01:38] Health care is an industry that is usually pretty slow to adopt new technology, but the experts that I talk to say that AI is different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:49] April Dembosky is a healthcare correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:01:52] Health systems are really excited about the potential that AI has primarily in this moment to improve diagnostics, but also to cut down on paperwork and administrative tasks. So if you go see a medical doctor at Sutter or Kaiser right now, very likely you have been or very soon will be asked if it’s okay for the doctor to use an AI note taker where they will use their cell phone. To record the interaction and then the AI will summarize and write notes for your medical chart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The Pitt \u003c/strong>[00:02:29] I have an app on my phone that can listen to our conversation and the details of my physical exam and write it all up in your medical record. Wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:02:39] If folks out there are watching The Pitt, this actually came up in episode two. So the episode that just came out last week. So there’s a new doctor in the ER and she’s introducing the residents to the concept of AI note takers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Doctor (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:02:55] What do you think?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Medical Student (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:02:56] Well, I don’t think it’s a cardiac.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Doctor (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:02:58] I mean, what do you think of the app?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Medical Student (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>00:03:00] I mean, it’s hard to say without seeing the full thing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Doctor (The Pitt)\u003c/strong> [00:03:02] Take a look.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Medical Student (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:03:04] Oh my God, do you know how much time this will save?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:03:07] And so she takes out her cell phone in the exam room and tells a patient, you know, it’s going to record their interaction. And afterward they walk out, they walk over to a computer and the AI has already written a summary of the exam in the patient’s chart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Medical Student (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:03:24] Well, excuse me, it says here she takes risperdol and antipsychotics. She takes restoril when needed for sleep, so is that, um…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Medical Student (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:03:31] AI, almost intelligent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Doctor (The Pitt)\u003c/strong> [00:03:34] You must always carefully proofread and correct the minor errors. It’s excellent, but not perfect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:03:44] That’s one of the ways that AI is most present in our healthcare right now. I mean, I have friends in the Bay Area who work in healthcare who, you know, I saw some for dinner a little while ago and you know they said, I am here tonight because of the AI note taker. You know, like because the AI notetaker like did my charting for me, I am able to be here and hanging out with you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:12] Wow, that is so interesting. And yeah, I mean, we’re wrestling with the role of AI in our healthcare and popular culture, but also in real life right now. I know this is a big, big question that is especially relevant for mental healthcare workers in Northern California right now, specifically at Kaiser. Can you explain? April, why this is such a relevant conversation among mental health care workers right now in particular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:04:44] Sure, so mental health clinicians at Kaiser are in contract negotiations right now. They’ve actually been in bargaining for this next contract for about six months now. So it’s been kind of dragging along. And one of the sticking points is actually around AI. So, mental health workers, they know that AI is here to stay in health care, but when it comes to mental health care they want some simple guardrails. They want to make sure that they are part of seeing that AI is rolled out responsibly in a way that protects patients’ privacy, but also in a ways that protects their own jobs. And so one of the things that they’ve asked for in their contract is language that says specifically any introduction of new AI tools will be used only to assist therapists, but it will not be used to replace them. To them, I think this sounds like a really reasonable ask, but they were really surprised when Kaiser said no.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:06:00] So again, they want flexibility to increase their use of AI.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:06:06] I talked to Ilana Marcucci-Morris. She’s a clinical social worker at Kaiser. She works in the intake department, and she’s a member of the union that is bargaining this contract. It’s called the National Union of Health Care Workers, NUHW.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:06:22] When we ask that AI not replace us, they will not put that language in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:06:28] And when I talk to her, she says, I’m a millennial, I love gadgets, I love tools, you know, I get it. We just want some simple protections here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:06:37] A lot of our members are afraid that it’s going to shift into full blown therapy, right? That there are going to be new technologies that allow Kaiser to not just skip the licensed triage, but to provide, you know, chat based mental health care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:06:54] One of the reasons they’re surprised is because their sister union in Southern California had asked for the same language and Kaiser agreed to it. And that contract was signed last May. And so basically, you know, a month or so after signing a contract that included this language, Kaiser was backing off saying, we don’t wanna commit to that anymore.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:07:20] I mean, they’ll say, no, that’s not our intention. But when we say, hey, can you put that it’s not your intention in the contract? Well, we can’t predict the future. We need to maintain flexibility.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:38] So it sounds like these mental health care workers are afraid for their jobs, but some of this technology is already being used. What is it about these tools that they are so concerned about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:07:54] Basically, Kaiser is excited about getting clinicians to use this note-taking software so that it will free them up to see more patients in a day. But clinicians are really worried about this. I think they’re worried about the privacy and data security, where are these recordings going, how long are they kept, how well are they protected, who else can see them. But specifically, I think they’re also really concerned about how this technology could influence the patient interaction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:08:27] I wouldn’t want a recording of my disagreements with a family member or my trauma.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:08:34] And so what Ilana says is talking to your doctor about a fever or a skin condition, it’s really different from talking to your therapist about really vulnerable, really emotional things that are going on in your life. And they’re concerned that patients, if they know they’re being recorded, that it might cause them to hold back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:09:00] A big part of our work is that human connection and rapport.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:09:08] So Kaiser clinicians are basically saying, look, you know, right now this technology is optional for us to use, but we’re really worried that Kaiser is going to, you know, try to force us to use it, perhaps even in clinical situations where we think it could be harmful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:09:27] Having a human being in your court that is trained and is a professional giving you warmth and encouragement and evidence-based direction is something that technology just can’t replace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:09:44] AI has already taken roles that people used to have at Kaiser, like doing intake for mental health care. Patients now have the option of doing an e-visit through the app, where you click through a series of questions and the algorithm comes up with a score and recommends where you go next. So far, there isn’t a Kaiser therapist chatbot. Though it hasn’t stopped a lot of people from seeking help for their problems outside of the healthcare system altogether. And April, we’re also in an environment where many people are seeking out mental health help through chatbots, including teenagers. Are patient preferences around this changing as well? And how do mental health experts respond to that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:10:40] In the last few years, we’ve seen a huge rise of consumer facing chatbots and these are not therapists to be clear, but people are starting to use them as therapists. This is a trend that is already taken off because they are available immediately. You can tell them how to interact with you and they are always there. There are clinical psychologists who have. You know, been working on a verified evidence-based, widely tested kind of AI chat bot for therapy for at least six years now. And what they will tell you is it takes a really, really long time to develop a proven product like that, that, you know actually conforms to the standards of delivering therapy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jodi Halpern \u003c/strong>[00:11:33] We cannot institute any of this on a large scale population level without studying it first and making sure it’s safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:11:42] Jodi Halpern is a bioethics professor at UC Berkeley. 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And why the debate at Kaiser is worth watching.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:01:38] Health care is an industry that is usually pretty slow to adopt new technology, but the experts that I talk to say that AI is different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:49] April Dembosky is a healthcare correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:01:52] Health systems are really excited about the potential that AI has primarily in this moment to improve diagnostics, but also to cut down on paperwork and administrative tasks. So if you go see a medical doctor at Sutter or Kaiser right now, very likely you have been or very soon will be asked if it’s okay for the doctor to use an AI note taker where they will use their cell phone. 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And afterward they walk out, they walk over to a computer and the AI has already written a summary of the exam in the patient’s chart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Medical Student (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:03:24] Well, excuse me, it says here she takes risperdol and antipsychotics. She takes restoril when needed for sleep, so is that, um…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Medical Student (The Pitt) \u003c/strong>[00:03:31] AI, almost intelligent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Doctor (The Pitt)\u003c/strong> [00:03:34] You must always carefully proofread and correct the minor errors. It’s excellent, but not perfect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:03:44] That’s one of the ways that AI is most present in our healthcare right now. I mean, I have friends in the Bay Area who work in healthcare who, you know, I saw some for dinner a little while ago and you know they said, I am here tonight because of the AI note taker. You know, like because the AI notetaker like did my charting for me, I am able to be here and hanging out with you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:12] Wow, that is so interesting. And yeah, I mean, we’re wrestling with the role of AI in our healthcare and popular culture, but also in real life right now. I know this is a big, big question that is especially relevant for mental healthcare workers in Northern California right now, specifically at Kaiser. Can you explain? April, why this is such a relevant conversation among mental health care workers right now in particular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:04:44] Sure, so mental health clinicians at Kaiser are in contract negotiations right now. They’ve actually been in bargaining for this next contract for about six months now. So it’s been kind of dragging along. And one of the sticking points is actually around AI. So, mental health workers, they know that AI is here to stay in health care, but when it comes to mental health care they want some simple guardrails. They want to make sure that they are part of seeing that AI is rolled out responsibly in a way that protects patients’ privacy, but also in a ways that protects their own jobs. And so one of the things that they’ve asked for in their contract is language that says specifically any introduction of new AI tools will be used only to assist therapists, but it will not be used to replace them. To them, I think this sounds like a really reasonable ask, but they were really surprised when Kaiser said no.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:06:00] So again, they want flexibility to increase their use of AI.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:06:06] I talked to Ilana Marcucci-Morris. She’s a clinical social worker at Kaiser. She works in the intake department, and she’s a member of the union that is bargaining this contract. It’s called the National Union of Health Care Workers, NUHW.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:06:22] When we ask that AI not replace us, they will not put that language in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:06:28] And when I talk to her, she says, I’m a millennial, I love gadgets, I love tools, you know, I get it. We just want some simple protections here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:06:37] A lot of our members are afraid that it’s going to shift into full blown therapy, right? That there are going to be new technologies that allow Kaiser to not just skip the licensed triage, but to provide, you know, chat based mental health care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>April Dembosky \u003c/strong>[00:06:54] One of the reasons they’re surprised is because their sister union in Southern California had asked for the same language and Kaiser agreed to it. And that contract was signed last May. And so basically, you know, a month or so after signing a contract that included this language, Kaiser was backing off saying, we don’t wanna commit to that anymore.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ilana Marcucci-Morris \u003c/strong>[00:07:20] I mean, they’ll say, no, that’s not our intention. But when we say, hey, can you put that it’s not your intention in the contract? Well, we can’t predict the future. 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"content": "\u003cp>Three years ago, California leaders passed legislation that promised \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/health/2020/08/california-leader-mental-health/\">the most dramatic expansion \u003c/a>of mental health and addiction care coverage in decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the state’s residents struggled with the stress and trauma of a raging pandemic and a record wildfire season, mental health advocates used words like “groundbreaking” to describe the new law. Finally, they said, California was poised to become a national leader in mental health.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Their optimism about that law, Senate Bill 855, has been fraying ever since. Advocates say health plans routinely fail to ensure enough mental health providers accept their coverage, making patients wait too long before being seen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Case in point: Last week, the Department of Managed Health Care unveiled news of a historic $200 million settlement with Kaiser Permanente for failing to provide patients with\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/health/2023/10/kaiser-permanente-california-behavioral-health-settlement/\"> timely mental health appointments\u003c/a>, among other issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Such issues will take center stage on Wednesday at a \u003ca href=\"https://www.senate.ca.gov/mental-health-and-addiction\">special oversight hearing\u003c/a> of the Senate Select Committee on Mental Health and Addiction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic state Sen. Scott Wiener of San Francisco, chair of the committee and author of the California Mental Health Parity Act, says he shares many of the mental health advocates’ concerns. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco\"]‘We know the plans have a long history of finding ways not to cover mental health treatment. The whole purpose of this law is to put an end to that.’[/pullquote] “We know the plans have a long history of finding ways not to cover mental health treatment,” he told CalMatters. “The whole purpose of this law is to put an end to that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the passage of the 2020 law, the state only required health plans to cover medically necessary treatment of nine serious mental illnesses. For years, mental health advocates have tried and failed to \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/projects/california-mental-health-care-parity/\">expand that list\u003c/a>. With Wiener’s law, they were finally triumphant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Beginning in January 2021, the state has required plans to pay for treatment of a much more extensive array of mental health issues, along with substance use disorder and addiction. This state law is separate from a \u003ca href=\"https://www.apa.org/topics/managed-care-insurance/parity-law-resources\">federal mental health parity\u003c/a> law passed in 2008. The concept of “parity” refers to requiring insurers to treat mental and physical health conditions equally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Health plans say they “have been diligently working in good faith” to comply with these laws while facing industry-wide challenges like workforce shortages. They say they are navigating guidelines that are ambiguous and uneven while waiting for the Department of Managed Health Care to finalize regulations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This creates a situation of moving goalposts for plans, providers, and our enrollees,” said Mary Ellen Grant, spokesperson for the California Association of Health Plans, in an email.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Mental health parity investigations\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Mental health advocates have also long criticized the Department of Managed Health Care, which oversees health plans in the state that receive monthly fees to provide health care for their members. And they, too, are concerned that it’s taking so long for the official rules to be decided.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This summer, more than a dozen advocacy groups signed a letter of concern to the department, questioning its commitment to enforcing some aspects of\u003ca href=\"https://steinberginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Comments-to-DMHC-on-BH-Investigations_DRAFT.pdf\"> the new state parity law\u003c/a>. The organizations want the department to publish and publicize its investigations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s still a relatively secret process,” said Lauren Finke, a policy director at The Kennedy Forum, a national organization that cosponsored California’s parity legislation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11964805\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11964805\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231004-KAISER-STRIKE-MD-03-qut-1-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Kaiser workers on strike in front of a building.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231004-KAISER-STRIKE-MD-03-qut-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231004-KAISER-STRIKE-MD-03-qut-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231004-KAISER-STRIKE-MD-03-qut-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231004-KAISER-STRIKE-MD-03-qut-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231004-KAISER-STRIKE-MD-03-qut-1.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kaiser workers strike in front of the Kaiser Permanente Oakland Medical Center in Oakland on Oct. 2, 2023. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Department of Managed Health Care declined to make anyone available to speak with CalMatters until later this fall. In an email, a representative said the department “is committed to ensuring enrollees have appropriate access to behavioral health care when they need it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response to advocates’ critiques that the department isn’t adequately analyzing and publicizing how well plans are complying with state parity law, the department said in a statement that it is evaluating health plans’ compliance in other ways; including that analysis in the behavioral health investigations would slow them down too much, the statement said. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Meiram Bendat, attorney and psychotherapist, Santa Barbara\"]‘The historic network inadequacy around the state and the lack of meaningful fines, that’s a real failure on the part of the department.’[/pullquote] Meiram Bendat, a Santa Barbara attorney and psychotherapist who focuses on mental health parity, says that the three-year-old state law has improved patients’ ability to receive mental health care by creating a uniform definition of what is considered “medically necessary.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But when it comes to ensuring that health plans maintain adequate provider networks, he said, the department is “failing miserably.” Too often, plans offer their members only outdated lists of providers who then prove to be unavailable, Bendat said. The Department of Managed Health Care hasn’t adequately held plans accountable for this and other problematic practices, he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The historic network inadequacy around the state and the lack of meaningful fines, that’s a real failure on the part of the department,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Kaiser mental health settlement\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Finke, of The Kennedy Forum, called the Kaiser settlement “long overdue” and “a very important first step in the Department holding plans more accountable for their performance [or lack thereof].” The settlement includes a $50 million fine and corrective action plan as well as a commitment by Kaiser to invest an additional $150 million over five years to improve behavioral health services. [aside label='More on Around California' tag='california-law'] But Finke and others also said the settlement itself provides evidence of the department’s failures to enforce a previous \u003ca href=\"https://wpso.dmhc.ca.gov/enfactions/docs/2895/1500394196511.pdf\">settlement agreement\u003c/a> with Kaiser from 2017.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Will DMHC do its job going forward? That’s the big question,” asked Fred Seavey, research director for the National Union of Healthcare Workers. The union represents 2,000 Kaiser mental health workers in Northern California who undertook a 10-week strike last year over heavy clinician workloads and long wait times for appointments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He said he wrote complaints to the Department of Managed Health Care earlier this year, saying that Kaiser in Southern California has been illegally restricting the scope of behavioral health services.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kaiser said, in an emailed statement, that “any accusation that we intentionally limit or restrict needed care is untrue.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Southern California Kaiser members receive a wide range of behavioral health clinical offerings, the statement said. Despite a statewide shortage of clinicians, Kaiser is “doing all that we can” to expand its network of mental health providers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cp>On Friday, the fifth day of an open-ended strike by Kaiser Permanente mental health workers across Northern California, some 200 employees and supporters marched to the health care giant’s Oakland headquarters, demanding that management increase staffing and resources.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They were among the roughly 2,000 Kaiser therapists, social workers and other mental health care staffers across Northern California — represented by the National Union of Healthcare Workers — who formed picket lines outside Kaiser facilities this week, after negotiations with management ended without resolution last weekend. Those striking said employee morale is dangerously low and patient care has become substandard due to long wait times for treatment. 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A company representative declined to participate in an interview, citing ongoing negotiations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">But in a statement issued Friday, Deb Catsavas, senior vice president of human resources at Kaiser Permanente Northern California, reiterated the company’s stance that the strike and “disruption to patient care” were unnecessary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">“While [the National Union of Healthcare Workers] claims it is fighting for increased access to care, its primary demand is for union members to spend less time seeing patients,” said Catsavas. “Our patients cannot afford a proposal that significantly reduces the time available to care for our patients and their mental health needs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The strike comes amid what the White House has described as an unprecedented mental health crisis among Americans of all ages.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Why are Kaiser mental health care workers striking?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“We’re striking because it’s demoralizing to work for a company that actively does things to capitalize on burnout,” Naomi Johnson, an associate clinical social worker for Kaiser, told KQED Forum. “We’re really working very hard as clinicians to try to see patients as frequently as we can, and to provide the care that we’re trained [for] and good at providing. And we’re not supported in doing that by the company.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kaiser tells patients that “if you have any sort of concerns or you want to come to therapy, please reach out,” added Johnson. “And then as providers, we’re told, ‘Only treat people who meet medical necessity.’ So it’s really difficult because we have this huge influx of people trying to seek services, but there aren’t enough of us to actually meet the demand, so we’re just completely overwhelmed. … We’re drowning, as clinicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11923078\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11923078\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\" alt=\"a protest\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kaiser mental health care workers rally before a march from Oakland Kaiser Medical Center to Kaiser’s corporate headquarters on Friday, Aug. 19, 2022, the fifth day of an open-ended strike. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>How does understaffing affect patients seeking treatment?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“There are currently 2,600 Kaiser patients for every mental health worker in (the) Northern California Kaiser system,” Ilana Marcucci-Morris, a licensed clinical social worker in Kaiser’s psychiatry department in Oakland, told Forum. That means the average Kaiser therapist sees between seven and 12 patients per day, while someone in private practice might see between three and six. After a series of initial intake calls, the majority of Kaiser patients calling with a “nonurgent” need wait between two and three months to see a therapist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The National Union of Healthcare Workers points to \u003ca href=\"https://nuhw.org/more-than-2000-kaiser-permanente-mental-health-clinicians-to-start-open-ended-strike-august-15/\">internal Kaiser documents illustrating\u003c/a> that “patients who received an initial mental health assessment on June 13 weren’t scheduled for follow-up appointments for a month in San Francisco, more than two months in Sacramento and three months or more in other parts of Northern California.” That length of time, experts say, does a disservice to those who have already taken the often-difficult first step of seeking support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The goal is to help people get better and terminate,” said Marcucci-Morris. “But the system within Kaiser does not allow for that. It’s the opposite. People are waiting longer, and deteriorating to where they either give up and pay [for therapy] out of pocket, which sets up a system for folks who have those resources to pay a private practice therapist and get better.” She said people who can’t afford private therapy and insurance premiums aren’t able to get better. “They get worse and they stay in Kaiser and they just stay sick,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11923083\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11923083\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\" alt=\"protestors reflected in a bus window\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kaiser mental health care workers and supporters hold signs on the picket line outside Oakland Kaiser Medical Center. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>What is causing the understaffing?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Kaiser administrators point to what they describe as a nationwide staffing shortage. “Across the country, there are not enough mental health care professionals to meet the increased demand for care,” said Kaiser’s Catsavas in an Aug. 15 statement. “This has created challenges for Kaiser Permanente and mental health care providers everywhere.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Company administrators say they have worked to combat the shortage by hiring new mental health clinicians, including nearly 200 new clinicians since January 2021; improving mental health care access through virtual care; and launching a $500,000 initiative to recruit new employees.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Ilana Marcucci-Morris, Kaiser psychiatrist\"]‘There isn’t a shortage of clinicians. There’s only a shortage of clinicians that want to work for Kaiser.’[/pullquote]But those on strike said the severity of the shortage is specific to Kaiser, and that burnout and poor working conditions are contributing to low retention of existing employees, and making it difficult for the company to recruit new ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There isn’t a shortage of clinicians. There’s only a shortage of clinicians that want to work for Kaiser,” said Marcucci-Morris. “We get into this field to help people, and it’s hard to recruit therapists when Kaiser’s reputation is known to make people wait so long for therapy sessions. It’s really, really not ethical. And I personally have a handful of colleagues and friends who are therapists with time in their schedules who I’ve tried to recruit for Kaiser. But the reputation is just so poor.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s more appealing, said those striking, for qualified therapists to work for a private practice. “Workers just don’t want to work for Kaiser anymore, and that’s the real crisis we’re facing,” said Marcucci-Morris.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The union said the rate at which mental health clinicians are leaving Kaiser nearly doubled in the past year, with 668 clinicians leaving between June 2021 and May 2022, compared to 335 clinicians the previous year. In a union survey of 200 of those departing clinicians, 85% said they were leaving because their workload was unsustainable or because they felt they did not have enough time to complete the work, and 76% said they were unable to “treat patients in line with standards of care and medical necessity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need to grow the mental health workforce, there’s no doubt about that,” California state Senator Scott Wiener told KQED Forum. “It is also the case that the shortage is not as severe right now as the health plans say … health plans can take steps to expand their workforce, including paying better, providing better reimbursements to private providers, and those are investments that they should be making that they have not made.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t think it’s the case that they can just throw up their hands and say, we have some challenges with the workforce, and so therefore, we’re going to make people wait three months,” he added. “We have real shortages of physical health care providers, but we don’t tolerate around physical health what we have long tolerated around mental health, which is effectively denying people access to lifesaving care.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11923080\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57907_044_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11923080\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57907_044_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\" alt=\"a baby in a stroller as part of a protest \" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57907_044_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57907_044_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57907_044_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57907_044_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57907_044_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kaiser mental health care workers carry signs on the picket line outside Oakland Kaiser Medical Center on Friday, Aug. 19, 2022, the fifth day of an open-ended strike. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Has California passed any recent laws to address this shortage?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB221/\">Senate Bill 221\u003c/a>, which passed in 2021 and went into effect July 1, 2022, said that “health plans, including Kaiser, must provide timely access to mental health and addiction treatment,” Senator Wiener told Forum. “And that means a prompt first visit.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The law codifies existing regulations from the Department of Managed Health Care and the Department of Insurance that require a health care service plan or an insurer to ensure that “for an enrollee requesting a non-urgent appointment with a non-physician mental health care provider … appointments are offered within 10 business days of the request for an appointment.” Follow-up visits have to happen within two weeks, added Wiener.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billVotesClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB858\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Senate Bill 858\u003c/a>, which recently passed on the California State Assembly floor and will now move to Gov. Gavin Newsom’s desk, would update the way health insurance companies are fined for violations, something that hasn’t been updated or even adjusted for inflation since the 1970s, said Wiener. Currently, the maximum fine possible stands at $2,500 per violation; the bill, if passed, would increase that amount to $25,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We think that will create a much larger incentive to actually follow the law and provide people with timely and appropriate access to health care,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What exactly are the strikers asking for? What’s the current status of negotiations?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In negotiations that led up to the strike, the National Union of Healthcare Workers accepted Kaiser’s wage-increase offer. But the union held fast on its demand that nine hours per week — up from the current six hours — be allotted for administrative work. Kaiser rejected that demand, arguing it would not leave adequate time to see patients. The company’s counteroffer, of an additional 1.2 hours for that work, was flatly rejected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We wouldn’t be striking right now if money was the primary [issue],” said Marcucci-Morris, pointing to burnout, retention issues and poor morale — as well as what the union describes as the lack of a clear plan for how the company is going to meet the requirements laid out by SB 221.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s not going to fix the problems to buy the therapists out and pay us more,” she said. “What good is more pay when you’re drowning and can’t come up for air?”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How is the strike affecting patients in need of care?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Kaiser is legally obligated to continue providing care for its members during a labor strike.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Beginning this week, our patients will receive care from those mental health clinicians who choose patient needs over the strike, as well as from our psychiatrists, clinical managers, and other licensed professionals,” said Catsavas in a statement on the first day of the strike, while noting that “some nonurgent appointments may need to be rescheduled” and that patients whose appointments might be affected “will be directly contacted prior to the date of the appointment to ensure they receive the care they need.”\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp> Kaiser officials have called the strike unethical to patients and counterproductive, pointing to the shortage of mental health professionals nationwide. A company representative declined to participate in an interview, citing ongoing negotiations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">But in a statement issued Friday, Deb Catsavas, senior vice president of human resources at Kaiser Permanente Northern California, reiterated the company’s stance that the strike and “disruption to patient care” were unnecessary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">“While [the National Union of Healthcare Workers] claims it is fighting for increased access to care, its primary demand is for union members to spend less time seeing patients,” said Catsavas. “Our patients cannot afford a proposal that significantly reduces the time available to care for our patients and their mental health needs.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The strike comes amid what the White House has described as an unprecedented mental health crisis among Americans of all ages.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Why are Kaiser mental health care workers striking?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“We’re striking because it’s demoralizing to work for a company that actively does things to capitalize on burnout,” Naomi Johnson, an associate clinical social worker for Kaiser, told KQED Forum. “We’re really working very hard as clinicians to try to see patients as frequently as we can, and to provide the care that we’re trained [for] and good at providing. And we’re not supported in doing that by the company.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kaiser tells patients that “if you have any sort of concerns or you want to come to therapy, please reach out,” added Johnson. “And then as providers, we’re told, ‘Only treat people who meet medical necessity.’ So it’s really difficult because we have this huge influx of people trying to seek services, but there aren’t enough of us to actually meet the demand, so we’re just completely overwhelmed. … We’re drowning, as clinicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11923078\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11923078\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\" alt=\"a protest\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57886_021_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kaiser mental health care workers rally before a march from Oakland Kaiser Medical Center to Kaiser’s corporate headquarters on Friday, Aug. 19, 2022, the fifth day of an open-ended strike. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>How does understaffing affect patients seeking treatment?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“There are currently 2,600 Kaiser patients for every mental health worker in (the) Northern California Kaiser system,” Ilana Marcucci-Morris, a licensed clinical social worker in Kaiser’s psychiatry department in Oakland, told Forum. That means the average Kaiser therapist sees between seven and 12 patients per day, while someone in private practice might see between three and six. After a series of initial intake calls, the majority of Kaiser patients calling with a “nonurgent” need wait between two and three months to see a therapist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The National Union of Healthcare Workers points to \u003ca href=\"https://nuhw.org/more-than-2000-kaiser-permanente-mental-health-clinicians-to-start-open-ended-strike-august-15/\">internal Kaiser documents illustrating\u003c/a> that “patients who received an initial mental health assessment on June 13 weren’t scheduled for follow-up appointments for a month in San Francisco, more than two months in Sacramento and three months or more in other parts of Northern California.” That length of time, experts say, does a disservice to those who have already taken the often-difficult first step of seeking support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The goal is to help people get better and terminate,” said Marcucci-Morris. “But the system within Kaiser does not allow for that. It’s the opposite. People are waiting longer, and deteriorating to where they either give up and pay [for therapy] out of pocket, which sets up a system for folks who have those resources to pay a private practice therapist and get better.” She said people who can’t afford private therapy and insurance premiums aren’t able to get better. “They get worse and they stay in Kaiser and they just stay sick,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11923083\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11923083\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg\" alt=\"protestors reflected in a bus window\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2022/08/RS57866_005_KQED_KaiserStrikeOakland_08192022-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kaiser mental health care workers and supporters hold signs on the picket line outside Oakland Kaiser Medical Center. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>What is causing the understaffing?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Kaiser administrators point to what they describe as a nationwide staffing shortage. “Across the country, there are not enough mental health care professionals to meet the increased demand for care,” said Kaiser’s Catsavas in an Aug. 15 statement. “This has created challenges for Kaiser Permanente and mental health care providers everywhere.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Company administrators say they have worked to combat the shortage by hiring new mental health clinicians, including nearly 200 new clinicians since January 2021; improving mental health care access through virtual care; and launching a $500,000 initiative to recruit new employees.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>But those on strike said the severity of the shortage is specific to Kaiser, and that burnout and poor working conditions are contributing to low retention of existing employees, and making it difficult for the company to recruit new ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There isn’t a shortage of clinicians. There’s only a shortage of clinicians that want to work for Kaiser,” said Marcucci-Morris. “We get into this field to help people, and it’s hard to recruit therapists when Kaiser’s reputation is known to make people wait so long for therapy sessions. It’s really, really not ethical. And I personally have a handful of colleagues and friends who are therapists with time in their schedules who I’ve tried to recruit for Kaiser. But the reputation is just so poor.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s more appealing, said those striking, for qualified therapists to work for a private practice. “Workers just don’t want to work for Kaiser anymore, and that’s the real crisis we’re facing,” said Marcucci-Morris.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The union said the rate at which mental health clinicians are leaving Kaiser nearly doubled in the past year, with 668 clinicians leaving between June 2021 and May 2022, compared to 335 clinicians the previous year. 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Gavin Newsom’s desk, would update the way health insurance companies are fined for violations, something that hasn’t been updated or even adjusted for inflation since the 1970s, said Wiener. Currently, the maximum fine possible stands at $2,500 per violation; the bill, if passed, would increase that amount to $25,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We think that will create a much larger incentive to actually follow the law and provide people with timely and appropriate access to health care,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What exactly are the strikers asking for? What’s the current status of negotiations?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In negotiations that led up to the strike, the National Union of Healthcare Workers accepted Kaiser’s wage-increase offer. But the union held fast on its demand that nine hours per week — up from the current six hours — be allotted for administrative work. Kaiser rejected that demand, arguing it would not leave adequate time to see patients. The company’s counteroffer, of an additional 1.2 hours for that work, was flatly rejected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We wouldn’t be striking right now if money was the primary [issue],” said Marcucci-Morris, pointing to burnout, retention issues and poor morale — as well as what the union describes as the lack of a clear plan for how the company is going to meet the requirements laid out by SB 221.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s not going to fix the problems to buy the therapists out and pay us more,” she said. “What good is more pay when you’re drowning and can’t come up for air?”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How is the strike affecting patients in need of care?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Kaiser is legally obligated to continue providing care for its members during a labor strike.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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