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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and European leaders are in Washington as we speak for a meeting at the White House following President Trump’s Friday summit in Alaska with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Those talks have fueled concerns in Europe that Trump is supporting Russia’s position and will ask Ukraine to cede unconquered territory in a peace deal.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We take a closer look at the impact of the Alaska summit and the stakes for Ukraine and Europe. Joining me first is NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith, who was in Anchorage during the summit. 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He had previously been threatening secondary sanctions and other economic consequences.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, what comes away from this summit is that those consequences are not in place — but also, there was no ceasefire.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">To give you the scene: we were all gathered at Joint Base Elmendorf, just outside of Anchorage, Alaska. The two presidents’ planes arrived at this airbase. Red carpets were rolled out. The presidents met on the red carpet for a handshake. There was a flyover, certainly meant to show strength by President Trump, that included a B-2 bomber — the bomber that dropped bunker-busting bombs in Iran recently.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So there was this big show. They shook hands warmly, then got into the president’s motorcade, into his limousine known as “The Beast,” and drove off for meetings. 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Article Five is the part of the NATO charter that says if there’s an attack on one, there’s an attack on all. That’s what gives NATO its strength.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ukraine has wanted to become a member of NATO for a long time. NATO countries have resisted that. Obviously, Putin has strongly resisted that and seen it as a threat — even blaming Ukraine’s desire to join NATO, and Ukraine’s closeness with the West, for his invasion more than three years ago.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mina Kim:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> And as you’ve reported, after that summit, Trump sat on Air Force One making phone calls to Zelenskyy and European leaders, then announced Zelenskyy would come to the White House today. 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The question is, will it go better?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The fact that all these European leaders have dropped everything to be here shows the stakes.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mina Kim:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Absolutely. And what has Zelenskyy said that he’s hoping to achieve out of this?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Tamara Keith:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Zelenskyy has been measured. He doesn’t want to give up what Putin wants him to give up. But he does want the war to end, and he doesn’t want President Trump to choose Russia’s side.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Zelenskyy is in a very tough place. The U.S. and European countries have been providing significant security assistance. Trump came in skeptical of that support, but NATO countries convinced him they could just buy powerful weapon systems and pass them along to Ukraine — so the U.S. wouldn’t have to pay directly.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was a recent victory for Ukraine and NATO. But support is tenuous. Trump has vacillated between being friendly toward Putin’s position and being more supportive of Ukraine. This is a critical moment. Appeasing Putin could just empower him to try to take more of Ukraine later.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mina Kim:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Tamara Keith, senior White House correspondent and cohost of the NPR Politics Podcast, thank you so much for your time today.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Tamara Keith:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I really appreciate it.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mina Kim:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Joining me now is Anna Nemtsova, Eastern Europe correspondent for \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Daily Beast\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> and a contributor to \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Atlantic\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. 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For many Ukrainians, that struck at their identity — their independence from the Russian empire. As for swapping territories, many say, “They’ll decide this without asking us. We’re probably going to lose some of Luhansk and Donetsk anyway — they’re completely destroyed.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the frustration is that their fate is being decided without them, without their voice. That is painful for many people.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mina Kim:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I imagine so. Recent Gallup polling shows nearly 70 percent of Ukrainians now favor a negotiated end to the war, compared to about 24 percent who favor fighting until victory. That’s the reverse of 2022, when more than 70 percent supported fighting until victory. What’s behind that change?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anna Nemtsova:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> People are very tired of the war. 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