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So amidst the protests and public outrage, how exactly are our Bay Area representatives weighing their stance in Congress?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today I talk with KQED political correspondent Marisa Lagos about where the Bay Area’s representatives in Congress stand on the situation in Gaza. So, Marisa, we sent you on a little journey to see where the Bay Area’s elected leaders and our congressional delegation stands on Israel and Palestine and what’s happening in Gaza. And one person that you wanted to talk to to sort of get inside the minds of these electeds was Congressman Ro Khanna. Remind us who he is and why did you want to talk to him?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, one, because he’s willing to talk honestly. He is one of our most accessible public officials in the Bay Area. And it’s not just that he’ll jump on the phone with you. It’s that he’s unusually sort of willing to be open about his thought processes and like answer tough questions, I would say. When he started his career, he was very much aligned with the sort of Bernie Sanders wing of the party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But over the years in Congress, we’ve seen him become a pragmatic progressive. There’s thoughts that he might want to run for president one day. He represents Silicon Valley, and I think he often is taking a little bit of a less sort of reflexive, progressive stance, one that’s more nuanced and one that at times might sort of alienate some of his constituencies, quite frankly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, how does he describe the politics around this particular issue in this moment? This seems to be one of those thornier ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, we talked a couple of days ago, right after he had actually talked to the head of the United Nations agency that assist Palestinian refugees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>Well, it’s one of the most morally complex issues I’ve had to deal with in my seven years in Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he described the October 7th attack by Hamas against Israeli citizens as brutal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And hostages were take it said, what had to be some response to that, to hold that Israel perpetrated that act of terror accountable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I think that, you know, he was very clear in his feeling that while Israel has a right to, you know, defend itself, you cannot rationalize 500 civilian casualties in order to get to one Hamas fighter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>It’s just heartbreaking to watch that devastation. I’m fighting in Gaza, 1.5 million people displaced. Today I hosted a member’s briefing with the commissioner general open where he said 60 squirrels had been hit with bombs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So I do think that he, you know, is starting this needle and is definitely, on a personal level, very empathetic and and sort of watching very closely what is happening in Gaza to civilians there. You know, I think pretty strong language from a member of Congress. That.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They shouldn’t be bombing on their schools. They shouldn’t be bombing mosques, churches, hospitals. And if they married Hamas terrorists, they’re off with 500 civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Strong language. But that being said, what has his official position been on this issue?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He opposes a cease fire like most members of Congress. He says that he cannot make that argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>That’s the biggest trauma for the state of Israel since its founding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he says that Israel needs to be responding in a way that does protect civilian life. But he has pretty much rejected flatly outright calls for an actual cease fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>I mean, the United States may have agreed to a cease fire after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So what we’re hearing from folks who are protesting is that they want a cease fire now. They want an end to the shelling, the fighting. They want Israel to essentially withdraw and engage in diplomatic talks. The argument, obviously, from folks who want a cease fire is that you have more than 11,000 civilians who have been collateral damage in this horrific assault and that that is sort of the only option for actually saving lives. On the other side, you have a lot of politicians like Ro Khanna saying, no, that’s not reasonable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They’re starting to understand that. Just psychologically, Pat And I told her, Sam said I spoke with them. It is just very. You can’t take any action against this terrorism that just happened to you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Why is that? Marisa, like, how does someone like Ro Khanna, who is seeing what’s happening in Gaza and is pretty horrified by it, then how does he come to that sort of political calculation? Like what are all the things that he’s weighing here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, I think he’s thinking about. Both his sort of personal beliefs around this. I think he’s thinking about what a cease fire means. Obviously thinking about, you know, what’s happening in Gaza, but also from the perspective of the Israeli government and the citizens there. And, you know, how horrifying what happened on October 7th was. And so I think that he is thinking about this, you know, in the context of like how we might respond to a terror attack at home here in the U.S..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I imagine he’s also thinking about his constituents and the needs of his particular district. How does he talk about that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I mean, I think he’s definitely. Listening both to constituents who are calling and writing and protesting in the streets. I think to be clear, it’s not to say that for someone like him, he’s only hearing from constituents calling for a cease fire. Right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And certainly a constituent feedback has an impact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He also, as we mentioned, represents Silicon Valley. I think that there are business, tech, military interests that align here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>There’s obviously play a role that the army military ties with Israel and it certainly has ties to Silicon Valley. Intel in my district is the largest private sector employer in Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He sits on committees. He’s getting briefings that we’re not privy to likely like, those are the things that I think a lot of members of Congress are talking about that goes into this. It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, zooming out here, how does Roxana’s stance on this issue, which is to oppose a ceasefire, how does that square with the rest of the Bay Area’s congressional delegation? Are most Bay Area representatives pretty much on the same page on this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>We’ve actually seen a number of joint statements from folks like Nancy Pelosi, zoe lofgren, from the peninsula, Anna Eshoo, who also represents, you know, parts of San Jose, Silicon Valley. Many of them have made comments similar to Khanna’s, talking about the need to protect civilian life. They all have called for some sort of humanitarian pause or pauses in order to allow civilians to escape Gaza. But they almost entirely and in unity, have spoken very powerfully and strongly in support for Israel and, you know, its ability to defend itself. In some cases, it’s sort of obligation to defend itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I was sort of surprised. I mean, we do live in one of the most progressive regions in the United States. We have, compared to many parts of the country, a much larger both Jewish and Arab Muslim populations. And so this is definitely something that people here care about and are thinking about. We’ve seen protests there. There’s one going on as we tape this Thursday morning blocking the entire Bay Bridge. But there is not a lot of daylight between what our representatives are saying or our senators, for that matter, and the position, the official position of the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, why most Bay area congressmembers oppose a ceasefire in Gaza. All except for one. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, can you maybe tick through some of the notable folks and the range of their stances on this, Marisa? And especially like the folks who are opposed to a cease fire. Why? Why is that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I mean, Nancy Pelosi called a cease fire a gift to Hamas. Other than Joe Biden, I feel like she has spoken most personally about this issue. They’re both Catholic. They’ve spent time in the region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>Mike Pappas was their head of interfaith council. And he said that that Christians, Catholics, everyone, every religion was mourning for the Israelis and sending their support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She was on stage with us in October here at KQED and has been just absolute in her support for Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>I mean, I’m not a big fan of the current government of of Israel. And all that you say is a concern. But none of it none of it makes any difference when when military force comes in and starts killing civilians and kidnaping and the rest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Other members of Congress are maybe sort of less personally attached to this or just don’t have the kind of history that somebody like Nancy Pelosi does. Kevin Mullane, for example, on the peninsula, a relatively new member of Congress, he has also supported Israel defending itself. He has called for Unitarian pause. These members, whatever they’re doing, and they are steadfast in their support for the Israeli position at this point, or at least Israel’s, you know, ability to defend itself are definitely getting their own sort of incoming from their constituents. And I think, yeah, I think it’s a tough one. I think it’s a tough one for all of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Okay. So for the most part, California’s congressional delegation is pretty lockstep on this, as you say. But there is one huge exception, and that’s Representative Barbara Lee, who represents parts of the East Bay, including Oakland. And she’s kind of a lone wolf in terms of her position on the conflict compared to the rest of the California delegation. Right. Tell me about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is the one member of our delegation from the Bay Area who has called for a cease fire and actually co-sponsored a resolution in Congress calling for that. You know, this fits with not just her district, but Barbara Lee is sort of historic positioning when it comes to conflict.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>Mr. Speaker, members, I rise today really with a very heavy heart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is probably best known as the only member of Congress who voted against military authorized resolution right after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>September 11th changed the world. Our deepest fears now haunt us. Yet I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States. 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But one thing I find really interesting is that there are so many things, Marissa, that I feel like divide Democrats and Republicans, but this issue doesn’t seem to divide them all that much at all. But the divide that I feel like I am seeing is happening within the Democratic Party specifically. Is that an accurate way to think about this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>100%, I mean, when you look at the actual voters, if you look at the public, Democrats are pretty split. So NPR, PBS actually put out a poll just this week. When you just ask about their sympathies in the conflict, it was evenly split between Israel and Palestinian groups. Even more striking is that you have more than half of Democrats saying that Israel’s response so far has been too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>That’s 56%. And Democrats, meanwhile, around 52% of Republicans say it’s been about right. I think that in general policy in the U.S. since essentially Israel’s founding, has been in support of Israel. I mean, since essentially 1948, we have seen in general a pretty strong sort of American policy towards not just supporting Israel from a diplomatic perspective, but giving it money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>When I was in Washington and long before that, that Israel pretty much enjoyed bipartisan support for sure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I talked to Janine Zacharia. She’s a Stanford lecturer. She is a former Washington Post Jerusalem bureau chief. 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That’s not to say nobody will take this into account and choose to change their vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But I haven’t seen any like, you know, real, you know, challenging from sort of well-funded, serious candidates to any of these people. I think for Joe Biden, it’s an open question. And I think this gets back to sort of this question of like, does it all matter? Does the protests matter? Does the calling of your representative matter? We have seen the language of even President Biden shift significantly over recent weeks as Israel’s response has gotten more intense and has caused so many civilian casualties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>You have a circumstance where the first war crimes being committed by Hamas, by having their headquarters, their military hidden under a hospital. And that’s a fact. That’s what’s happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Just Wednesday night in the Bay Area. The president defended Israel’s assault on a hospital in Gaza. But he’s also talking very forcefully about, in the long run, a two state solution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>But I can tell you, I don’t think it all ends until there’s a two state solution. I made it clear to the Israelis, I think it’s a big mistake for them to think they’re going to occupy Gaza and maintain Gaza. I don’t think that works. And so I think you’re going to see first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Everyone I talked to from, you know, the congressmen to these experts at Stanford said that is in part because of what the public is saying and doing. Right. Like, I don’t think they’re going to change the American position towards Israel overnight. But I do think that if you are in elected office, you are looking around and seeing where the public is. And you’re going to, if not switch your position immediately, at least be taking that into account as things moves forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Marissa, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>My pleasure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Marisa Lagos, a political correspondent for KQED and co-host of the Political Breakdown podcast. By the way, KQED has got a whole guide on how to call your representative. You can find it at kqed.org/explainers. This 35 minute conversation with Marisa was cut down, edited and produced by Maria Esquinca. I pitched this episode, scored it, and added all the tape. 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You’ll hear demands for a ceasefire and calls to bring home the Israeli hostages. You’ll also hear cries to call your reps. So amidst the protests and public outrage, how exactly are our Bay Area representatives weighing their stance in Congress?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today I talk with KQED political correspondent Marisa Lagos about where the Bay Area’s representatives in Congress stand on the situation in Gaza. So, Marisa, we sent you on a little journey to see where the Bay Area’s elected leaders and our congressional delegation stands on Israel and Palestine and what’s happening in Gaza. And one person that you wanted to talk to to sort of get inside the minds of these electeds was Congressman Ro Khanna. Remind us who he is and why did you want to talk to him?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, one, because he’s willing to talk honestly. He is one of our most accessible public officials in the Bay Area. And it’s not just that he’ll jump on the phone with you. It’s that he’s unusually sort of willing to be open about his thought processes and like answer tough questions, I would say. When he started his career, he was very much aligned with the sort of Bernie Sanders wing of the party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But over the years in Congress, we’ve seen him become a pragmatic progressive. There’s thoughts that he might want to run for president one day. He represents Silicon Valley, and I think he often is taking a little bit of a less sort of reflexive, progressive stance, one that’s more nuanced and one that at times might sort of alienate some of his constituencies, quite frankly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, how does he describe the politics around this particular issue in this moment? This seems to be one of those thornier ones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, we talked a couple of days ago, right after he had actually talked to the head of the United Nations agency that assist Palestinian refugees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>Well, it’s one of the most morally complex issues I’ve had to deal with in my seven years in Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he described the October 7th attack by Hamas against Israeli citizens as brutal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And hostages were take it said, what had to be some response to that, to hold that Israel perpetrated that act of terror accountable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I think that, you know, he was very clear in his feeling that while Israel has a right to, you know, defend itself, you cannot rationalize 500 civilian casualties in order to get to one Hamas fighter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>It’s just heartbreaking to watch that devastation. I’m fighting in Gaza, 1.5 million people displaced. Today I hosted a member’s briefing with the commissioner general open where he said 60 squirrels had been hit with bombs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So I do think that he, you know, is starting this needle and is definitely, on a personal level, very empathetic and and sort of watching very closely what is happening in Gaza to civilians there. You know, I think pretty strong language from a member of Congress. That.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They shouldn’t be bombing on their schools. They shouldn’t be bombing mosques, churches, hospitals. And if they married Hamas terrorists, they’re off with 500 civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Strong language. But that being said, what has his official position been on this issue?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He opposes a cease fire like most members of Congress. He says that he cannot make that argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>That’s the biggest trauma for the state of Israel since its founding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, he says that Israel needs to be responding in a way that does protect civilian life. But he has pretty much rejected flatly outright calls for an actual cease fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>I mean, the United States may have agreed to a cease fire after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>So what we’re hearing from folks who are protesting is that they want a cease fire now. They want an end to the shelling, the fighting. They want Israel to essentially withdraw and engage in diplomatic talks. The argument, obviously, from folks who want a cease fire is that you have more than 11,000 civilians who have been collateral damage in this horrific assault and that that is sort of the only option for actually saving lives. On the other side, you have a lot of politicians like Ro Khanna saying, no, that’s not reasonable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>They’re starting to understand that. Just psychologically, Pat And I told her, Sam said I spoke with them. It is just very. You can’t take any action against this terrorism that just happened to you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Why is that? Marisa, like, how does someone like Ro Khanna, who is seeing what’s happening in Gaza and is pretty horrified by it, then how does he come to that sort of political calculation? Like what are all the things that he’s weighing here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Well, I think he’s thinking about. Both his sort of personal beliefs around this. I think he’s thinking about what a cease fire means. Obviously thinking about, you know, what’s happening in Gaza, but also from the perspective of the Israeli government and the citizens there. And, you know, how horrifying what happened on October 7th was. And so I think that he is thinking about this, you know, in the context of like how we might respond to a terror attack at home here in the U.S..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I imagine he’s also thinking about his constituents and the needs of his particular district. How does he talk about that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I mean, I think he’s definitely. Listening both to constituents who are calling and writing and protesting in the streets. I think to be clear, it’s not to say that for someone like him, he’s only hearing from constituents calling for a cease fire. Right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>And certainly a constituent feedback has an impact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He also, as we mentioned, represents Silicon Valley. I think that there are business, tech, military interests that align here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ro Khanna: \u003c/strong>There’s obviously play a role that the army military ties with Israel and it certainly has ties to Silicon Valley. Intel in my district is the largest private sector employer in Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>He sits on committees. He’s getting briefings that we’re not privy to likely like, those are the things that I think a lot of members of Congress are talking about that goes into this. It’s not just what is my sort of emotional reaction to what’s happening in Gaza. It’s the broader diplomatic, political, economic and military picture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, zooming out here, how does Roxana’s stance on this issue, which is to oppose a ceasefire, how does that square with the rest of the Bay Area’s congressional delegation? Are most Bay Area representatives pretty much on the same page on this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>We’ve actually seen a number of joint statements from folks like Nancy Pelosi, zoe lofgren, from the peninsula, Anna Eshoo, who also represents, you know, parts of San Jose, Silicon Valley. Many of them have made comments similar to Khanna’s, talking about the need to protect civilian life. They all have called for some sort of humanitarian pause or pauses in order to allow civilians to escape Gaza. But they almost entirely and in unity, have spoken very powerfully and strongly in support for Israel and, you know, its ability to defend itself. In some cases, it’s sort of obligation to defend itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>And I was sort of surprised. I mean, we do live in one of the most progressive regions in the United States. We have, compared to many parts of the country, a much larger both Jewish and Arab Muslim populations. And so this is definitely something that people here care about and are thinking about. We’ve seen protests there. There’s one going on as we tape this Thursday morning blocking the entire Bay Bridge. But there is not a lot of daylight between what our representatives are saying or our senators, for that matter, and the position, the official position of the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, why most Bay area congressmembers oppose a ceasefire in Gaza. All except for one. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, can you maybe tick through some of the notable folks and the range of their stances on this, Marisa? And especially like the folks who are opposed to a cease fire. Why? Why is that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I mean, Nancy Pelosi called a cease fire a gift to Hamas. Other than Joe Biden, I feel like she has spoken most personally about this issue. They’re both Catholic. They’ve spent time in the region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>Mike Pappas was their head of interfaith council. And he said that that Christians, Catholics, everyone, every religion was mourning for the Israelis and sending their support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She was on stage with us in October here at KQED and has been just absolute in her support for Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nancy Pelosi: \u003c/strong>I mean, I’m not a big fan of the current government of of Israel. And all that you say is a concern. But none of it none of it makes any difference when when military force comes in and starts killing civilians and kidnaping and the rest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Other members of Congress are maybe sort of less personally attached to this or just don’t have the kind of history that somebody like Nancy Pelosi does. Kevin Mullane, for example, on the peninsula, a relatively new member of Congress, he has also supported Israel defending itself. He has called for Unitarian pause. These members, whatever they’re doing, and they are steadfast in their support for the Israeli position at this point, or at least Israel’s, you know, ability to defend itself are definitely getting their own sort of incoming from their constituents. And I think, yeah, I think it’s a tough one. I think it’s a tough one for all of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Okay. So for the most part, California’s congressional delegation is pretty lockstep on this, as you say. But there is one huge exception, and that’s Representative Barbara Lee, who represents parts of the East Bay, including Oakland. And she’s kind of a lone wolf in terms of her position on the conflict compared to the rest of the California delegation. Right. Tell me about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is the one member of our delegation from the Bay Area who has called for a cease fire and actually co-sponsored a resolution in Congress calling for that. You know, this fits with not just her district, but Barbara Lee is sort of historic positioning when it comes to conflict.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>Mr. Speaker, members, I rise today really with a very heavy heart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>She is probably best known as the only member of Congress who voted against military authorized resolution right after 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee: \u003c/strong>September 11th changed the world. Our deepest fears now haunt us. Yet I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States. This is a very complex…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, she explicitly said that what happened was horrific, but she did not believe that our action was going to make it less likely that somebody would attack us again. You could sort of superimpose that argument on to what is happening now that folks who support a cease fire believe that what the Israeli military is doing in Gaza is actually sort of making the situation more dynamic, more likely to cause harm to civilians, and that she just does not, you know, see that as the right call from a military diplomatic perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, it’s so interesting to sort of get a sense of all the different ways our representatives are sort of weighing their decisions and how they’re making them and how they’re navigating it. But one thing I find really interesting is that there are so many things, Marissa, that I feel like divide Democrats and Republicans, but this issue doesn’t seem to divide them all that much at all. But the divide that I feel like I am seeing is happening within the Democratic Party specifically. Is that an accurate way to think about this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>100%, I mean, when you look at the actual voters, if you look at the public, Democrats are pretty split. So NPR, PBS actually put out a poll just this week. When you just ask about their sympathies in the conflict, it was evenly split between Israel and Palestinian groups. Even more striking is that you have more than half of Democrats saying that Israel’s response so far has been too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>That’s 56%. And Democrats, meanwhile, around 52% of Republicans say it’s been about right. I think that in general policy in the U.S. since essentially Israel’s founding, has been in support of Israel. I mean, since essentially 1948, we have seen in general a pretty strong sort of American policy towards not just supporting Israel from a diplomatic perspective, but giving it money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>When I was in Washington and long before that, that Israel pretty much enjoyed bipartisan support for sure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>I talked to Janine Zacharia. She’s a Stanford lecturer. She is a former Washington Post Jerusalem bureau chief. And she talked about the fact that there is a real sea change, particularly among Democrats, when we talk about this issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>And she didn’t have anybody so forcefully or really at all saying that this was a kind of a legitimate resistance the way that you had after the October 7th massacres.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Young people, people who are not white people who are under the age of 45 are far more likely to say that Israel’s response has been too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Janine Zacharia: \u003c/strong>On the Democratic side, there has become a splintering on this issue. That feels new.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, what is this all going to mean moving forward, Marissa, that we are seeing some of these fissures and these splits among Democrats on this issue, especially with the election?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>You know, I don’t see that this issue is going to threaten any individual member of Congress in the Bay Area. Like everything in politics, these folks are going to be defending their record on a wide variety of issues from the economy, how they’re dealing with issues here at home, homelessness and affordability, all those things. In general, people are not one issue voters for, you know, that type of office. That’s not to say nobody will take this into account and choose to change their vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>But I haven’t seen any like, you know, real, you know, challenging from sort of well-funded, serious candidates to any of these people. I think for Joe Biden, it’s an open question. And I think this gets back to sort of this question of like, does it all matter? Does the protests matter? Does the calling of your representative matter? We have seen the language of even President Biden shift significantly over recent weeks as Israel’s response has gotten more intense and has caused so many civilian casualties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>You have a circumstance where the first war crimes being committed by Hamas, by having their headquarters, their military hidden under a hospital. And that’s a fact. That’s what’s happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Just Wednesday night in the Bay Area. The president defended Israel’s assault on a hospital in Gaza. But he’s also talking very forcefully about, in the long run, a two state solution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Biden: \u003c/strong>But I can tell you, I don’t think it all ends until there’s a two state solution. I made it clear to the Israelis, I think it’s a big mistake for them to think they’re going to occupy Gaza and maintain Gaza. I don’t think that works. And so I think you’re going to see first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>Everyone I talked to from, you know, the congressmen to these experts at Stanford said that is in part because of what the public is saying and doing. Right. Like, I don’t think they’re going to change the American position towards Israel overnight. But I do think that if you are in elected office, you are looking around and seeing where the public is. And you’re going to, if not switch your position immediately, at least be taking that into account as things moves forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Marissa, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/strong>My pleasure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Marisa Lagos, a political correspondent for KQED and co-host of the Political Breakdown podcast. By the way, KQED has got a whole guide on how to call your representative. You can find it at kqed.org/explainers. This 35 minute conversation with Marisa was cut down, edited and produced by Maria Esquinca. I pitched this episode, scored it, and added all the tape. Guy Marzorati was our editor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The rest of our podcast team at KQED includes Jen Chien, art director of podcasts. Katie Sprenger, our podcast operations manager, Cesar Saldana, our podcast engagement producer, Maha Sanad, our podcast Engagement Intern. And Holly Kernan, our Chief Content Officer. And I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thank you so much for listening this week. Hope you all have a restful weekend. Peace.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>"
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 11:50 a.m. Thursday: \u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nAll westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge are now open, \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/CHPSanFrancisco/status/1725241638354661858?s=20\">according to the California Highway Patrol\u003c/a>, while the westbound approaches and toll plaza remain temporarily closed while the backup clears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original story:\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nDemonstrators calling for a cease-fire in the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza blocked all westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge early Thursday, instantly causing a major commute tie-up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The protesters blocked all traffic on the upper deck of the eastern span of the bridge shortly before 8 a.m., unfurling banners demanding an immediate cease-fire in the conflict that has cost the lives of \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-11-14-2023-6c346be5bc9246902792a228ccf4ecff\">more than 11,000 Palestinians and about 1,200 Israelis\u003c/a>, according to Gazan and Israeli health officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/_chrisalam/status/1725183671706194244?s=20\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The action marks an escalation of the ongoing Bay Area protests against Israel’s bombardment and invasion of Gaza, which followed the Hamas attack in southern Israel early last month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a press release, protest organizers said more than 200 people participated in Thursday’s action, which included a “die-in,” with demonstrators lying on the bridge deck and covering themselves with white sheets and placards reading “11,000 dead” and “stop the genocide.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967614\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967614\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A person lays on a paved road with a sheet over them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters taking part in Thursday’s Bay Bridge shutdown staged a ‘die-in’ on the deck of the bridge. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The demonstration was largely directed toward President Joe Biden, who is in San Francisco today for the ongoing Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) conference, already the target of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967349/thousands-call-for-gaza-ceasefire-as-global-leaders-arrive-for-apec-in-san-francisco\">numerous other protest actions\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What would you do if this was your people, your family, your cousins? Every Palestinian I know from Gaza has lost so much family,” Oakland resident Sabrin Amtair, with the Arab Resource and Organizing Center and Palestinian Youth Movement, which helped organize the protest, told KQED while on the bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We can’t continue and act like this is not happening when Joe Biden is in town.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967622\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967622\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A person in a wheelchair holds a protest sign with a line of police on the left and behind them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A demonstrator holds a sign reading ‘ceasefire now!’ while facing a line of CHP officers during a protest that shut down all westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge Thursday morning. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Just before 9 a.m., California Highway Patrol officers in riot gear arrived at the scene and issued a call for the demonstrators to disperse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Officers then formed a line facing the demonstrators, many of whom had their hands raised as they chanted, “Peaceful protest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967616\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967616\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A person raises their arms wearing a reflective vest with a line of police in front of them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A protester raises his hands in front of a line of CHP officers during a demonstration demanding a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza which blocked all westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge Thursday morning. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement officers from both the CHP and the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department, with buses staged on the other side of the demonstration, then began arresting demonstrators and towing their vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967563\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967563\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Law enforcement officers with California Highway Patrol and the San Francisco Sheriff’s Dept. escort arrested protesters to buses on the upper deck of the Bay Bridge’s eastern span Thursday morning. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>At around 10 a.m., Ezery Beauchamp, CHP’s Golden Gate Division chief, said approximately 50 people had been arrested so far and that more arrests were expected. He also indicated it would take some time to remove demonstrators’ vehicles from the bridge because keys to those vehicles had been tossed into the bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We could still have 5, 10, 15 more cars to tow each time we work our way through the next set of vehicles,” Beauchamp told reporters on the bridge. “We’re finding abandoned cars and more protesters. We estimate another 25 to 50 arrests could be made today.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967611\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967611\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A woman speaks into a megaphone with a group of protesters surrounding her.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters demanding a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza speak into a megaphone after blocking all westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge Thursday. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Beauchamp \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/CaltransD4/status/1725188131669028912?s=20\">advised commuters to seek alternate routes\u003c/a>, as the demonstration continued, and did not give an estimated reopening time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the other side of Treasure Island, the upper deck of the bridge’s west span was eerily empty during the normally crammed peak commute hour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967547\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1512px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967547\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1512\" height=\"1402\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound.jpg 1512w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound-800x742.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound-1020x946.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound-160x148.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1512px) 100vw, 1512px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">All lanes of the upper deck of the Bay Bridge’s western span were empty Thursday morning just after 8 a.m. as demonstrators shut down all traffic east of Treasure Island. \u003ccite>(KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story has been udpated.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Christopher Alam, Beth LaBerge, Dan Brekke and David Marks contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a press release, protest organizers said more than 200 people participated in Thursday’s action, which included a “die-in,” with demonstrators lying on the bridge deck and covering themselves with white sheets and placards reading “11,000 dead” and “stop the genocide.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967614\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967614\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A person lays on a paved road with a sheet over them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-011-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters taking part in Thursday’s Bay Bridge shutdown staged a ‘die-in’ on the deck of the bridge. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The demonstration was largely directed toward President Joe Biden, who is in San Francisco today for the ongoing Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) conference, already the target of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967349/thousands-call-for-gaza-ceasefire-as-global-leaders-arrive-for-apec-in-san-francisco\">numerous other protest actions\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What would you do if this was your people, your family, your cousins? Every Palestinian I know from Gaza has lost so much family,” Oakland resident Sabrin Amtair, with the Arab Resource and Organizing Center and Palestinian Youth Movement, which helped organize the protest, told KQED while on the bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We can’t continue and act like this is not happening when Joe Biden is in town.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967622\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967622\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A person in a wheelchair holds a protest sign with a line of police on the left and behind them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-015-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A demonstrator holds a sign reading ‘ceasefire now!’ while facing a line of CHP officers during a protest that shut down all westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge Thursday morning. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Just before 9 a.m., California Highway Patrol officers in riot gear arrived at the scene and issued a call for the demonstrators to disperse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Officers then formed a line facing the demonstrators, many of whom had their hands raised as they chanted, “Peaceful protest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967616\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967616\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A person raises their arms wearing a reflective vest with a line of police in front of them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-019-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A protester raises his hands in front of a line of CHP officers during a demonstration demanding a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza which blocked all westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge Thursday morning. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement officers from both the CHP and the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department, with buses staged on the other side of the demonstration, then began arresting demonstrators and towing their vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967563\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967563\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/DSC_5559-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Law enforcement officers with California Highway Patrol and the San Francisco Sheriff’s Dept. escort arrested protesters to buses on the upper deck of the Bay Bridge’s eastern span Thursday morning. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>At around 10 a.m., Ezery Beauchamp, CHP’s Golden Gate Division chief, said approximately 50 people had been arrested so far and that more arrests were expected. He also indicated it would take some time to remove demonstrators’ vehicles from the bridge because keys to those vehicles had been tossed into the bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We could still have 5, 10, 15 more cars to tow each time we work our way through the next set of vehicles,” Beauchamp told reporters on the bridge. “We’re finding abandoned cars and more protesters. We estimate another 25 to 50 arrests could be made today.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967611\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967611\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A woman speaks into a megaphone with a group of protesters surrounding her.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231116-BayBridgeShutdown-006-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters demanding a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza speak into a megaphone after blocking all westbound lanes of the Bay Bridge Thursday. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Beauchamp \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/CaltransD4/status/1725188131669028912?s=20\">advised commuters to seek alternate routes\u003c/a>, as the demonstration continued, and did not give an estimated reopening time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the other side of Treasure Island, the upper deck of the bridge’s west span was eerily empty during the normally crammed peak commute hour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967547\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1512px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967547\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1512\" height=\"1402\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound.jpg 1512w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound-800x742.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound-1020x946.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/WestBound-160x148.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1512px) 100vw, 1512px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">All lanes of the upper deck of the Bay Bridge’s western span were empty Thursday morning just after 8 a.m. as demonstrators shut down all traffic east of Treasure Island. \u003ccite>(KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story has been udpated.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Christopher Alam, Beth LaBerge, Dan Brekke and David Marks contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Thousands of protesters calling for a cease-fire in Gaza rallied outside the Powell Street BART station in downtown San Francisco on Tuesday evening, as dozens of world leaders and CEOs, including President Joe Biden, gather in the city for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) conference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tuesday’s demonstrations, organized by a coalition that includes the Palestinian Youth Movement and the Bay Area chapter of the Party for Socialism and Liberation, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967074/as-apec-kicks-off-protestors-are-descending-on-san-francisco-heres-what-you-need-to-know\">follow a steady drumbeat of actions\u003c/a> across the Bay Area in recent weeks urging an end to U.S. military aid to Israel, and an end to Israel’s attacks on Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“APEC is a really big deal. Just the fact that tons of heads of state from all over the world are coming here today to meet with Biden and negotiate policies that we know … play a role in expansion of neoliberal policies that affect theft of land and resources all over the world,” Suzanne Ali, a San Francisco-based organizer with Palestinian Youth Movement, told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Protesters at the event condemned Biden’s ongoing support for Israel, which launched a ground invasion of Gaza on Oct. 27 after weeks of heavy air strikes. Israel’s attacks followed the Oct. 7 Hamas incursion from Gaza into Southern Israel, when militants killed at least 1,200 people and took more than 230 hostages, according to Israel’s Foreign Ministry. More than 11,100 civilians in Gaza have been killed since Oct. 7 by Israeli attacks, largely airstrikes, according to Gaza’s health ministry. As of last week, \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/middleeast/palestinian-israeli-deaths-gaza-dg/index.html\">nearly half of them were children\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Demonstrators at Tuesday’s rally demanded an end to the invasion and to the rising death toll of Palestinian civilians in Gaza. An energetic crowd of hundreds of protesters quickly grew to approximately 3,000, many carrying signs and waving Palestinian flags outside the Powell Street BART station just after 5 p.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967362\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967362\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY.jpg\" alt=\"Blue and yellow protest signs are held above a group of people while a man waves a Palestinian flag on scaffolding above them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Demonstrators rally on Market Street during a protest calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in San Francisco on Nov. 14, 2023, during arrivals by world leaders to the APEC summit. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Amid chants of “cease-fire now” and “money for jobs and education, not for war and occupation,” speakers took to megaphones to decry the use of U.S. taxpayer dollars for what they called “Israeli genocide” and directed many remarks directly at Biden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Despite the millions of us that have been in the streets for Gaza and for Palestine, Joe Biden and his administration continue to ignore the people,” Sanika Mahajan, an organizer with the Party for Socialism and Liberation, told the crowd.”This is our chance because Joe Biden is here in San Francisco. This is our chance to tell Joe Biden where the people stand.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some protesters wanted Joe Biden and other world leaders attending APEC to heed their message about the importance of prioritizing domestic issues such as health care and education as they demonstrated on Market Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jose Carlos Riquelme, a resident of Hayward, and Delia Calderon of San Francisco, both Peruvians, said Peruvian President Dina Boluarte – whose administration \u003ca href=\"https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/peru-youth-indigenous-protests-dina-boluarte/\">has been blamed for the deaths of dozens of pro-Democracy demonstrators over the last year\u003c/a> – needed to hear such a message as well. Boluarte is also in San Francisco for APEC.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[Boluarte] has to listen… She and everyone has to hear that what the world needs is peace, money for education and not the killing of other brothers and sisters [in the global south],” Calderon told KQED in Spanish.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are here for all of humanity, for all the people who have been murdered, segregated, marginalized, disabled, exposed to poverty, condemned to poverty… We are here because we want that to change. This generation is struggling more than ever and we want this to stop now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967370\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967370\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY.jpg\" alt=\"A group of about 100 people walk on a city street while holding protest signs.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Demonstrators march on Market Street during a protest calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in San Francisco on Nov. 14, 2023. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Around 6 p.m., the crowd began marching east along Market Street, snarling traffic and \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/SFMTA_Muni/status/1724608696167358574?s=20\">backing up Muni buses\u003c/a>, to demonstrate outside a campaign fundraiser event scheduled to be attended by Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to the Palestinian Youth Movement, other groups organized and supported Tuesday’s rally in San Francisco, which brought together activists from across the Bay Area, including organizers from the ANSWER Coalition, the U.S. Palestinian Community Network, San Francisco State University General Union of Palestine Students, and Stanford Students for Justice in Palestine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966423/thousands-of-protestors-rally-in-san-francisco-calling-for-immediate-cease-fire-in-gaza\">protests calling for a cease-fire\u003c/a> have been happening across the Bay Area in recent weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, \u003ca href=\"https://oaklandside.org/2023/11/14/jewish-protest-oakland-ceasefire-gaza/\">hundreds of Jewish protesters and supporters occupied the Oakland Federal Building,\u003c/a> also demanding a cease-fire in Gaza. That event, which culminated in numerous arrests, has been recognized as one of the largest Jewish civil disobedience actions in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label='Related Coverage' tag='israel-hamas-war']Organizers of Tuesday’s demonstration said they are working in solidarity with other groups protesting this week’s global leaders summit in San Francisco. That includes groups like No to APEC, a broad coalition of human rights advocates, climate activists and anti-capitalist organizations. A protest that No to APEC organized earlier this week aimed to call out CEOs, heads of state and other dignitaries attending the event for workers’ rights violations, climate degradation and more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sponsors of APEC include major U.S. consumer corporations like Amazon, as well as weapons manufacturers like Boeing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Millions of people in the U.S. and around the world have been protesting relentlessly in the streets in support of Palestine,” said Party for Socialism and Liberation organizer Saul Kanowitz in a press statement announcing Tuesday’s San Francisco protest. “While the majority of Americans support a cease-fire, the Biden administration and Congress have ignored our demands and continue to enable Israel.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967374\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967374\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY.jpg\" alt=\"A woman is highlighted by a light at night wearing a Palestine scarf and hijab.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lnmia Zahi participates in Tuesday evening’s protest calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in downtown San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nearly half of U.S. Democrats (46%) disapprove of how President Biden is handling the Israel-Hamas conflict, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-apnorc-poll-biden-democrats-42b195c5a577a40ff981d26afbff9997\">according to a recent poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research\u003c/a>. A similar number of Democrats (44%) said the U.S. is too supportive of Israel, and not supportive enough of Palestinians, according to the poll. A slightly higher number of Democrats (45%) said U.S. support of Israel is “about right.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Right now, it’s a critical moment. Over 66% of voters support the demand for a cease-fire,” said Ali of the Palestinian Youth Movement, referring to findings from a recent poll from Data for Progress. “This being a world event is really important for us to have this opportunity to make our demands clear.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A majority of Democrat and Republican lawmakers in Washington have continued to voice their support for Israel. But a small group of congressional lawmakers, including East Bay Rep. Barbara Lee, has \u003ca href=\"https://jayapal.house.gov/2023/10/17/jayapal-casar-lee-mcgovern-castro-escobar-garcia-release-statement-calling-for-ceasefire/\">supported calls for a cease-fire\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story has been updated.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Protesters at the event condemned Biden’s ongoing support for Israel, which launched a ground invasion of Gaza on Oct. 27 after weeks of heavy air strikes. Israel’s attacks followed the Oct. 7 Hamas incursion from Gaza into Southern Israel, when militants killed at least 1,200 people and took more than 230 hostages, according to Israel’s Foreign Ministry. More than 11,100 civilians in Gaza have been killed since Oct. 7 by Israeli attacks, largely airstrikes, according to Gaza’s health ministry. As of last week, \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/middleeast/palestinian-israeli-deaths-gaza-dg/index.html\">nearly half of them were children\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Demonstrators at Tuesday’s rally demanded an end to the invasion and to the rising death toll of Palestinian civilians in Gaza. An energetic crowd of hundreds of protesters quickly grew to approximately 3,000, many carrying signs and waving Palestinian flags outside the Powell Street BART station just after 5 p.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967362\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967362\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY.jpg\" alt=\"Blue and yellow protest signs are held above a group of people while a man waves a Palestinian flag on scaffolding above them.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-02-JY-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Demonstrators rally on Market Street during a protest calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in San Francisco on Nov. 14, 2023, during arrivals by world leaders to the APEC summit. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Amid chants of “cease-fire now” and “money for jobs and education, not for war and occupation,” speakers took to megaphones to decry the use of U.S. taxpayer dollars for what they called “Israeli genocide” and directed many remarks directly at Biden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Despite the millions of us that have been in the streets for Gaza and for Palestine, Joe Biden and his administration continue to ignore the people,” Sanika Mahajan, an organizer with the Party for Socialism and Liberation, told the crowd.”This is our chance because Joe Biden is here in San Francisco. This is our chance to tell Joe Biden where the people stand.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some protesters wanted Joe Biden and other world leaders attending APEC to heed their message about the importance of prioritizing domestic issues such as health care and education as they demonstrated on Market Street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jose Carlos Riquelme, a resident of Hayward, and Delia Calderon of San Francisco, both Peruvians, said Peruvian President Dina Boluarte – whose administration \u003ca href=\"https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/peru-youth-indigenous-protests-dina-boluarte/\">has been blamed for the deaths of dozens of pro-Democracy demonstrators over the last year\u003c/a> – needed to hear such a message as well. Boluarte is also in San Francisco for APEC.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[Boluarte] has to listen… She and everyone has to hear that what the world needs is peace, money for education and not the killing of other brothers and sisters [in the global south],” Calderon told KQED in Spanish.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are here for all of humanity, for all the people who have been murdered, segregated, marginalized, disabled, exposed to poverty, condemned to poverty… We are here because we want that to change. This generation is struggling more than ever and we want this to stop now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967370\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967370\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY.jpg\" alt=\"A group of about 100 people walk on a city street while holding protest signs.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-06-JY-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Demonstrators march on Market Street during a protest calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in San Francisco on Nov. 14, 2023. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Around 6 p.m., the crowd began marching east along Market Street, snarling traffic and \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/SFMTA_Muni/status/1724608696167358574?s=20\">backing up Muni buses\u003c/a>, to demonstrate outside a campaign fundraiser event scheduled to be attended by Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to the Palestinian Youth Movement, other groups organized and supported Tuesday’s rally in San Francisco, which brought together activists from across the Bay Area, including organizers from the ANSWER Coalition, the U.S. Palestinian Community Network, San Francisco State University General Union of Palestine Students, and Stanford Students for Justice in Palestine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966423/thousands-of-protestors-rally-in-san-francisco-calling-for-immediate-cease-fire-in-gaza\">protests calling for a cease-fire\u003c/a> have been happening across the Bay Area in recent weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, \u003ca href=\"https://oaklandside.org/2023/11/14/jewish-protest-oakland-ceasefire-gaza/\">hundreds of Jewish protesters and supporters occupied the Oakland Federal Building,\u003c/a> also demanding a cease-fire in Gaza. That event, which culminated in numerous arrests, has been recognized as one of the largest Jewish civil disobedience actions in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Organizers of Tuesday’s demonstration said they are working in solidarity with other groups protesting this week’s global leaders summit in San Francisco. That includes groups like No to APEC, a broad coalition of human rights advocates, climate activists and anti-capitalist organizations. A protest that No to APEC organized earlier this week aimed to call out CEOs, heads of state and other dignitaries attending the event for workers’ rights violations, climate degradation and more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sponsors of APEC include major U.S. consumer corporations like Amazon, as well as weapons manufacturers like Boeing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Millions of people in the U.S. and around the world have been protesting relentlessly in the streets in support of Palestine,” said Party for Socialism and Liberation organizer Saul Kanowitz in a press statement announcing Tuesday’s San Francisco protest. “While the majority of Americans support a cease-fire, the Biden administration and Congress have ignored our demands and continue to enable Israel.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967374\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967374\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY.jpg\" alt=\"A woman is highlighted by a light at night wearing a Palestine scarf and hijab.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231114-APECProtest-07-JY-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lnmia Zahi participates in Tuesday evening’s protest calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in downtown San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nearly half of U.S. Democrats (46%) disapprove of how President Biden is handling the Israel-Hamas conflict, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-apnorc-poll-biden-democrats-42b195c5a577a40ff981d26afbff9997\">according to a recent poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research\u003c/a>. A similar number of Democrats (44%) said the U.S. is too supportive of Israel, and not supportive enough of Palestinians, according to the poll. A slightly higher number of Democrats (45%) said U.S. support of Israel is “about right.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Right now, it’s a critical moment. Over 66% of voters support the demand for a cease-fire,” said Ali of the Palestinian Youth Movement, referring to findings from a recent poll from Data for Progress. “This being a world event is really important for us to have this opportunity to make our demands clear.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A majority of Democrat and Republican lawmakers in Washington have continued to voice their support for Israel. But a small group of congressional lawmakers, including East Bay Rep. Barbara Lee, has \u003ca href=\"https://jayapal.house.gov/2023/10/17/jayapal-casar-lee-mcgovern-castro-escobar-garcia-release-statement-calling-for-ceasefire/\">supported calls for a cease-fire\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story has been updated.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Thousands of protesters and activists rallied in downtown San Francisco Sunday in opposition to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.apec.org/\">Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation\u003c/a> summit, which brings together heads of state and over a thousand CEOs from 21 APEC member states from\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11965942/from-street-closures-to-security-checks-what-to-know-about-sf-apec-2023\"> Nov. 11-17\u003c/a>. The APEC summit has drawn an estimated 20,000 people and put San Francisco on the world stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The “mass mobilization” on Sunday kicked off a week of protests organized by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/no2apec/\">No to APEC Coalition\u003c/a>. Here’s a guide to help you understand who the activists are, why they are protesting the APEC summit, and what they have planned in the coming days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Who are the activists?\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11965942,news_11966968,news_11966960\" label=\"Related Stories\"]The No to APEC Coalition is incredibly diverse and represents over \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VvZ_NCXd5sIS1N7F4QSbfmWKJOY5npGKbMeOg-Rpc9s/edit\">100 grassroots community action organizations\u003c/a> nationwide, active in the fields of migrant and immigration rights, indigenous rights, human rights, labor rights, climate and environmental justice groups, women’s rights groups and more. Activists are also protesting the Israel-Hamas war, joining the growing international calls for a cease-fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Area climate organizer Nik Evasco describes it as “a very broad intersectional coalition that touches on diaspora peoples from the Global South, labor and the climate bloc … anti-militarist groups … and people who are really focused on certain opposition to certain particular world leaders like Xi Jinping or [Bongbong Marcos].”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967111\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967111 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL.jpg\" alt='A young woman holds a sign that says \"your missiles will never be stronger than our spirit\" in a crowd of people.' width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zayna Elkarra protests alongside thousands of demonstrators in downtown San Francisco on Nov. 12, 2023, in opposition to the APEC international economic summit. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Suzanne Ali from the Palestinian Youth Movement took part in the action Sunday to protest the Israel-Hamas war.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We gather to declare to the U.S. government and to the whole world that the masses here and the masses all over the world stand on the side of justice, of dignity, of liberation, and on the side of Palestinian people,” Ali said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mwezi Odom, a member of the African People’s Socialist Party, said APEC represents colonialism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When we say ‘shut down APEC,’ we mean shut down colonialism,” Odom said. “Because colonialism takes on all these different forms, and we begin to lose sight of what was the root cause of the oppression of the people of the world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967103\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967103 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL.jpg\" alt='An older woman uses a walker with a sign that says \"free Palestine\" in a large crowd.' width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lovinia Alfaris marches in downtown San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>San Francisco resident Brandon Lee was among the protesters on Sunday who were concerned about environmental issues and workers’ rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>“\u003c/b>I spent nine years working with the Igorot indigenous people of northern Luzon [in the Philippines], and they protested APEC because APEC’s policies, like the Mining Act of 1995, opened up the mining industry,” said Lee. “That mining industry really exploited the indigenous people’s land and destroyed the environment, displacing the indigenous people. And when the indigenous people protested, they’re met with violence.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Why are they protesting at APEC?\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In their \u003ca href=\"https://mailchi.mp/00b4b06d1eac/wfblockparty-15106304?e=4d32bf2590\">media advisory\u003c/a>, the coalition said that companies sponsoring the summit, such as Amazon and Microsoft, have a legacy of causing environmental harm and that APEC’s free trade agenda harms millions of workers, women, and migrants in the U.S. and across the Asia-Pacific. Spokesperson Rhonda Ramiro said the coalition aims to “expose APEC’s false solutions and build a movement to address the very real crises of climate change, economic crisis, and militarization.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967098\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967098 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL.jpg\" alt=\"People holding flags and signs face a stage with people standing in front of microphones behind a large sign.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Speakers kick off a rally at the Embarcadero Plaza in opposition to the APEC international economic summit. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In the days leading up to the summit, the coalition and other activists have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/apec-asia-pacific-conference-18442936.php\">protesting the attendance of heads of state\u003c/a> whom they consider responsible for human rights abuses, including China’s Xi Jinping, Philippines President Bongbong Marcos and Peru’s Dina Boluarte.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the media advisory, Brandon Lee of the International Coalition for Human Rights in the Philippines describes APEC as“ a tool of big business and the ruling elite to increase their profits at the expense of people and the planet,” adding that “APEC will not be epic. It will be a waste of millions of taxpayer dollars, and it will only result in further worker exploitation and environmental destruction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>APEC leaders have been promoting the organization — along with President Biden’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-launches-new-trade-deal-with-indo-pacific-nations-warns-long-haul-for-inflation-recovery\">Indo-Pacific Economic Framework\u003c/a> — as a better way to connect global economies and peoples and to create clean and green economies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967104\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967104 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A young woman wearing a red and white head covering and a black shirt raises her arm in the air among a crowd of people holding signs.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Amaani Cassim marches in downtown San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But climate activist Nik Evasco said what they’ve seen happening is “giveaways to corporations, deregulation of countries, particularly in the global South, and the opening up of natural resources for exploitation … resources that tend to often be in lands that are in indigenous communities or in environmentally precious areas.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you have world leaders representing a huge portion of the global economy and of the world population meeting with CEOs from ExxonMobil to Lockheed Martin to big tech and security, it doesn’t take a cynic to think that maybe the trade that’s being negotiated really isn’t in the best interest of the people,” Evasco said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>What protests and actions are planned?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The coalition started with a counter-summit at San Francisco State University on Saturday, Nov. 10.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Sunday, the “mass mobilization” began at Harry Bridges Plaza in the Embarcadero and made its way to Moscone Center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Demonstrators gave speeches that lasted nearly three hours at the plaza before the crowd headed down Market Street. The protesters shut down Howard and Fifth streets in the afternoon near the security perimeter set up by law enforcement near the Moscone Center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967114\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967114 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A large group of people hold signs behind a barrier in the street.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Thousands of demonstrators march on Market Street. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Protests are expected to continue throughout the week, including at the APEC CEO Summit on Wednesday, Nov. 15, and more protests planned for the CEO meetings from Nov. 14-16.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nik Evasco said they would focus particularly on the CEO summit, which he referred to as “one of the biggest causes for concern of the entire negotiations,” and said they would plan street protests to “shut down the CEO summit.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the people like the CEO of ExxonMobil have literally direct access … to people like Joe Biden or [Bongbong] Marcos from the Philippines or [Xi] Jinping,” Evasco said. “That type of unfettered access to world leaders when they’re negotiating a framework that could dictate how trade is done for decades to come is just unacceptable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Attila Pelit, Annelise Finney, Dana Cronin, Rachael Vasquez, and Spencer Whitney contributed reporting to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Thousands of protesters and activists rallied in downtown San Francisco Sunday in opposition to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.apec.org/\">Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation\u003c/a> summit, which brings together heads of state and over a thousand CEOs from 21 APEC member states from\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11965942/from-street-closures-to-security-checks-what-to-know-about-sf-apec-2023\"> Nov. 11-17\u003c/a>. The APEC summit has drawn an estimated 20,000 people and put San Francisco on the world stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The “mass mobilization” on Sunday kicked off a week of protests organized by the \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/no2apec/\">No to APEC Coalition\u003c/a>. Here’s a guide to help you understand who the activists are, why they are protesting the APEC summit, and what they have planned in the coming days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Who are the activists?\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The No to APEC Coalition is incredibly diverse and represents over \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VvZ_NCXd5sIS1N7F4QSbfmWKJOY5npGKbMeOg-Rpc9s/edit\">100 grassroots community action organizations\u003c/a> nationwide, active in the fields of migrant and immigration rights, indigenous rights, human rights, labor rights, climate and environmental justice groups, women’s rights groups and more. Activists are also protesting the Israel-Hamas war, joining the growing international calls for a cease-fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Area climate organizer Nik Evasco describes it as “a very broad intersectional coalition that touches on diaspora peoples from the Global South, labor and the climate bloc … anti-militarist groups … and people who are really focused on certain opposition to certain particular world leaders like Xi Jinping or [Bongbong Marcos].”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967111\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967111 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL.jpg\" alt='A young woman holds a sign that says \"your missiles will never be stronger than our spirit\" in a crowd of people.' width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-65-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Zayna Elkarra protests alongside thousands of demonstrators in downtown San Francisco on Nov. 12, 2023, in opposition to the APEC international economic summit. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Suzanne Ali from the Palestinian Youth Movement took part in the action Sunday to protest the Israel-Hamas war.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We gather to declare to the U.S. government and to the whole world that the masses here and the masses all over the world stand on the side of justice, of dignity, of liberation, and on the side of Palestinian people,” Ali said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mwezi Odom, a member of the African People’s Socialist Party, said APEC represents colonialism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When we say ‘shut down APEC,’ we mean shut down colonialism,” Odom said. “Because colonialism takes on all these different forms, and we begin to lose sight of what was the root cause of the oppression of the people of the world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967103\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967103 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL.jpg\" alt='An older woman uses a walker with a sign that says \"free Palestine\" in a large crowd.' width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-54-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lovinia Alfaris marches in downtown San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>San Francisco resident Brandon Lee was among the protesters on Sunday who were concerned about environmental issues and workers’ rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>“\u003c/b>I spent nine years working with the Igorot indigenous people of northern Luzon [in the Philippines], and they protested APEC because APEC’s policies, like the Mining Act of 1995, opened up the mining industry,” said Lee. “That mining industry really exploited the indigenous people’s land and destroyed the environment, displacing the indigenous people. And when the indigenous people protested, they’re met with violence.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Why are they protesting at APEC?\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In their \u003ca href=\"https://mailchi.mp/00b4b06d1eac/wfblockparty-15106304?e=4d32bf2590\">media advisory\u003c/a>, the coalition said that companies sponsoring the summit, such as Amazon and Microsoft, have a legacy of causing environmental harm and that APEC’s free trade agenda harms millions of workers, women, and migrants in the U.S. and across the Asia-Pacific. Spokesperson Rhonda Ramiro said the coalition aims to “expose APEC’s false solutions and build a movement to address the very real crises of climate change, economic crisis, and militarization.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967098\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967098 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL.jpg\" alt=\"People holding flags and signs face a stage with people standing in front of microphones behind a large sign.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-07-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Speakers kick off a rally at the Embarcadero Plaza in opposition to the APEC international economic summit. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In the days leading up to the summit, the coalition and other activists have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/apec-asia-pacific-conference-18442936.php\">protesting the attendance of heads of state\u003c/a> whom they consider responsible for human rights abuses, including China’s Xi Jinping, Philippines President Bongbong Marcos and Peru’s Dina Boluarte.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the media advisory, Brandon Lee of the International Coalition for Human Rights in the Philippines describes APEC as“ a tool of big business and the ruling elite to increase their profits at the expense of people and the planet,” adding that “APEC will not be epic. It will be a waste of millions of taxpayer dollars, and it will only result in further worker exploitation and environmental destruction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>APEC leaders have been promoting the organization — along with President Biden’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-launches-new-trade-deal-with-indo-pacific-nations-warns-long-haul-for-inflation-recovery\">Indo-Pacific Economic Framework\u003c/a> — as a better way to connect global economies and peoples and to create clean and green economies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967104\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967104 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A young woman wearing a red and white head covering and a black shirt raises her arm in the air among a crowd of people holding signs.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-57-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Amaani Cassim marches in downtown San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But climate activist Nik Evasco said what they’ve seen happening is “giveaways to corporations, deregulation of countries, particularly in the global South, and the opening up of natural resources for exploitation … resources that tend to often be in lands that are in indigenous communities or in environmentally precious areas.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you have world leaders representing a huge portion of the global economy and of the world population meeting with CEOs from ExxonMobil to Lockheed Martin to big tech and security, it doesn’t take a cynic to think that maybe the trade that’s being negotiated really isn’t in the best interest of the people,” Evasco said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>What protests and actions are planned?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The coalition started with a counter-summit at San Francisco State University on Saturday, Nov. 10.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Sunday, the “mass mobilization” began at Harry Bridges Plaza in the Embarcadero and made its way to Moscone Center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Demonstrators gave speeches that lasted nearly three hours at the plaza before the crowd headed down Market Street. The protesters shut down Howard and Fifth streets in the afternoon near the security perimeter set up by law enforcement near the Moscone Center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967114\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11967114 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL.jpg\" alt=\"A large group of people hold signs behind a barrier in the street.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/231112-APECProtest-66-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Thousands of demonstrators march on Market Street. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Protests are expected to continue throughout the week, including at the APEC CEO Summit on Wednesday, Nov. 15, and more protests planned for the CEO meetings from Nov. 14-16.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nik Evasco said they would focus particularly on the CEO summit, which he referred to as “one of the biggest causes for concern of the entire negotiations,” and said they would plan street protests to “shut down the CEO summit.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the people like the CEO of ExxonMobil have literally direct access … to people like Joe Biden or [Bongbong] Marcos from the Philippines or [Xi] Jinping,” Evasco said. “That type of unfettered access to world leaders when they’re negotiating a framework that could dictate how trade is done for decades to come is just unacceptable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">View the full episode transcript.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Foster City is home to one of the\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13934383/palestine-cultural-day-foster-city\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> largest annual gatherings of Palestinians \u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">in the Bay Area. It’s also where Councilmember Sam Hindi holds office as one of the few elected officials of Palestinian heritage in California. Today, we talk with Hindi about how the war in Gaza has affected him — as an elected official, as a father, and as a Palestinian-American.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"card card--enclosed grey\">\n\u003cp id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC6577254913&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, and welcome to The Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. For 36 years, one of the largest Palestinian celebrations here in the Bay Area had been held in San Francisco’s Hall of Flowers. People from all over the region flocked to this yearly celebration, and eventually the hall’s capacity of 3000 people just couldn’t fit the amount of people showing up to this celebration every year. So, in 2018, the Palestine Day Cultural Festival was moved to Foster City, a community of about 33,000 people in San Mateo County. That same year, a man by the name of Sam Hindi had been elected mayor of Foster City, becoming only the second Palestinian American to hold elected office in the state of California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>My name is Ericka, I’m here to interview Sam Hindi:. And we’re in the lobby. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Ericka? Hi, Ericka. A pleasure to meet you. Pleasure. Thank you for coming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Maria Esquinca: \u003c/strong>Hi. Maria. Nice to meet you\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Nice to meet you, Maria.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Maria, Alan, and I recently went to Foster City to talk with Sam Hindi. We took an elevator up to his office on the second floor of City Hall, which revealed a perfect view of the San Mateo Bridge in the distance. The bridge looks amazing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That’s really cool.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Yeah, yeah. I mean, this whole area here. Yeah. This used to be light industrial, And this year we have added so much needed housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Usually, Councilmember Hindi talks about stuff you’d expect from a local politician in the bay. Things like housing, public safety, access to parks. But we visited him to discuss his unique perspective as one of just a few Palestinian-American elected officials in the country. First Councilmember, I’ll have you just introduce yourself as your first and last name and then tell us what you do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Sure. My name is Sam Hindi – last name H-I-N-D-I. I am a current councilmember here in Foster City. I used to be mayor and 2018-2019. My family’s story really begins with my grandparents from both my mom’s side and my dad’s side becoming refugees in 1948. They come from a town on the northern coast of what used to be Palestine. At the time it was called Akka. In English, it was called Acre, and my grandfather from my dad’s side, he let his family kind of go to Lebanon and he stayed behind, fighting for his village and for his country until he got injured and he had to evacuate and followed the family to Lebanon. You know, I’m someone who grew up in Lebanon during the civil war. So I understand I firsthand experience impact of war. My family basically ended up being scattered all over the world. I still have family in Lebanon. I still have family in Palestine. We grew up with Palestine in our mind. Our people has been subjected to colonization and occupation for 75 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What brought you to Foster City specifically?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I immigrated in 1983 to the United States, and I was in Southern California. I went to college in Long Beach State, and that’s where I pursued my education. And while I was in college, I started a family business along with my brothers. And we had a career service. And then in 1992, we expanded from Southern California to Northern California. I actually stumbled over Foster City. I didn’t know that Foster City existed. I was shopping at a Middle Eastern store and started the conversation, and I told them I was thinking of moving to Burlingame and they said, ‘Well, you work in Union City. Why don’t you check out Foster City?’ I said, ‘Where is that?’ And I came to Foster City in 1992, fell in love with it. The community is such a great, diverse community that welcomes everybody. And after that, I got married and raised my children. My children were born in Foster City and went to Foster City schools. So, this is home for us. I’ve been here for so many years now, since 1992.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And what about your family? Are your brothers in Foster City as well? Are they still in Southern California?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>You know, Palestinians end up being everywhere and scattered everywhere because we are homeless. That’s really what we are. We are stateless. So, I have two brothers in Southern California. I have one brother in Canada. I have one sister in New York. I have one sister still in Lebanon. And if I could tell you about my extended family, there’s some in Germany, some I mean, all over Europe, some in Dubai, Saudi Arabia. It’s just wherever you can make a living, wherever you could go, because, you know, wherever you are, the concentration of the Palestinian community in Lebanon or Syria or Jordan and the camps is not really a future to have a economic and financial future. So, you end up taking the opportunities wherever you can in this large world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>On October 13th, Councilmember Hindi posted on his personal Facebook page saying, “The attacks by Hamas on Israeli civilians, including killing, injuring and kidnaping, are reprehensible and war crimes.” He went on to write that “destroying and flattening entire neighborhoods in Gaza could not be justified or explained as self-defense. The footage from Gaza of civilian casualties is horrifying and beyond description.” For weeks now, Hindi has been glued to Al-Jazeera and sharing social media posts from the ground in Gaza. And he also believes very strongly that the U.S. is complicit in the killing of civilians in Palestine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>As the U.S. government, we are guilty of genocide just as much as Israel is guilty of genocide. There is no question in my mind about this. After October 7, people were talking about, well, especially elected official in the Western world and here, you know, Israel has a right to defend itself. I think every nation has a right to defend itself. Not just Israel. That goes without saying. Let me ask these questions: is laying a siege on 2.2 million civilians, not allowing food, water, medical supplies to come in, is that defending yourself? Is bombarding homes defending yourself? Is bombing mosques and churches defending yourself? Is killing over 9000 civilians – over 3000 of them are children – defending yourself? I cannot fathom how anyone, and mainly our US administration – how do you think what is happening, by having this genocide being committed, by the suffering of so many people, by shattering the lives of so many people, gonna get us closer to peace or security? I argue that it does completely the opposite. I say it will harden more people. You will have more militant because the scars of war do not to you in one day or two. I, for one, was one of those who was hopeful for a two-state solution. And I have a lot of reservations on the Oslo Accord, but I’m talking about the principle of coexistence, the principle of making peace, the principle of living together. Unfortunately, what has happened and transpired since: the constant land theft of Palestinian land in Jerusalem and the West Bank and expanding the settlement enterprise, taking the indigenous people, kicking them out of their homes, stealing the land and building settlement on it, and all the violations of human rights and all the crimes that has been committed against the Palestinian people. Israel has been getting away with it with impunity. Unfortunately, from our country, the United States and the rest of the Western world, most of the Western world, not all of them. So I don’t see how that could happen. It’s really – and it’s kind of ironic that you hear Biden and his administration we are for a two state solution. Either they are disingenuous or they don’t know what they are talking about. And I don’t think they don’t know what they are talking about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>After the break, Sam Hindi talks about what role he thinks local elected officials in the Bay Area can play in this international conflict. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I want to ask you how you’re thinking about your role in this moment as a city councilor, as an American, as a Palestinian-American. What have your conversations been like?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>So, that’s a very important question. I mean, I have different hats and I wear those different hats and different roles. My job as a city council member is to be representing my entire community, not just a Palestinian communities, and not just my personal views as a Palestinian American. My job is to make sure the well-being of my entire community, those on either side or those who are not even involved, that they are being respected, that we are careful how people on the other side in our community are mourning as well. We have civilians in Israel who got killed as well. And I mourn all civilians. I represent the residents of Foster City equally. But with that being said, you ask me, what do I do? I continue to reach out to our congressional representatives to share with them the perspective and the feelings of the Palestinian-Arab-Muslim community, and quite frankly, our allies, who most of them are Jewish. Jewish Voice for Peace [and] Not In Our Name: those two organization are advocating for a cease fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Have you had a chance to actually get on the phone with some of these congressional representatives you’ve reached out to?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I have. Our congressional representative for our district is Kevin Mullin. But we’ve been reaching out to other issues and not just our local representative. Obviously, you know, our community is in a lot of pain. Our children in school are scared and being called terrorists. They’re being singled out. We make sure we reach out to the attorney general of the state of California, Rob Bonta, to make him aware of these things. We continue to be anxious, continue to be scared, and we feel abandoned quite, quite frankly, by our leadership in Washington. We feel betrayed by the Biden administration, and he better be careful. He is losing, if not already lost a lot of votes, not just from Palestinians, not just from Arabs, not just from Muslims, but also from our allies. Actions have consequences and hopefully that will be reflected on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>You are a city councilor of this one particular city. But we have seen Richmond, California, you know, pass a resolution standing in solidarity with the people of Palestine. I’m curious how you see your role in that way. Are there any conversations happening in Foster City, for example, about that kind of thing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>That’s a very tough and important question. And just to be clear, a resolution of any kind on international policy is symbolic, although it’s important sometimes to be symbolic. I’m not dismissing the importance. It’s very important. Basically, what Richmond said, in essence, we don’t want to be silent and we’re speaking out to what we see is wrong as crime. Others have reservations. I think it was an important move for the Richmond City Council to articulate their values for human rights and for freedom. Here in Foster City, I have not approached it. And…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Would you like to see something like that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I do. You know, on the city council. I’m one of five. To get anything done, you need at least two more people. I don’t think we’ll have three, so I weigh, is it worth going through the exercise and have the divisiveness in the community and not having the outcome? Because, you know, you’re going to open the debate and you’re going to have the divisiveness. For that reason, you way. What’s the point? What’s the value? I’m not here to divide my community. Yes, I’m here to lead. And I would love my community to see the injustice and to say that. To be fair to my colleagues, I have not approached them. I’m not suggesting that they are not or they are. I don’t know. But my gut feeling is I don’t have three.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What are the conversations that you’re having with your kids right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>So my kids are at an age now that they really understand everything on their own.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>How old are they?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I have a 26, 24, and 21. My wife and I never kind of put them in and really drilled in them the Palestinian issue. They organically have seen because, unfortunately, what we are seeing now is this is like what, the fourth time at least, in Gaza. So, they grew up experiencing these things just from far away from the United States. But it’s organically had the connection they did on their own. My parents actually, the one thing that they drilled in our mind, me and my siblings, is we don’t have a problem with the Jewish religion and the Jews. This is about Zionism and the theft of Palestine. So, that is what my parents drilled in our heads. Be careful when you speak and be careful who you target with your speech. This is not a religious war. This is about colonialism and settlement and occupation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Thank you so much for taking the time and for speaking with us and sitting down. 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That same year, a man by the name of Sam Hindi had been elected mayor of Foster City, becoming only the second Palestinian American to hold elected office in the state of California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>My name is Ericka, I’m here to interview Sam Hindi:. And we’re in the lobby. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Ericka? Hi, Ericka. A pleasure to meet you. Pleasure. Thank you for coming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Maria Esquinca: \u003c/strong>Hi. Maria. Nice to meet you\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Nice to meet you, Maria.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Maria, Alan, and I recently went to Foster City to talk with Sam Hindi. We took an elevator up to his office on the second floor of City Hall, which revealed a perfect view of the San Mateo Bridge in the distance. The bridge looks amazing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That’s really cool.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Yeah, yeah. I mean, this whole area here. Yeah. This used to be light industrial, And this year we have added so much needed housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Usually, Councilmember Hindi talks about stuff you’d expect from a local politician in the bay. Things like housing, public safety, access to parks. But we visited him to discuss his unique perspective as one of just a few Palestinian-American elected officials in the country. First Councilmember, I’ll have you just introduce yourself as your first and last name and then tell us what you do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Sure. My name is Sam Hindi – last name H-I-N-D-I. I am a current councilmember here in Foster City. I used to be mayor and 2018-2019. My family’s story really begins with my grandparents from both my mom’s side and my dad’s side becoming refugees in 1948. They come from a town on the northern coast of what used to be Palestine. At the time it was called Akka. In English, it was called Acre, and my grandfather from my dad’s side, he let his family kind of go to Lebanon and he stayed behind, fighting for his village and for his country until he got injured and he had to evacuate and followed the family to Lebanon. You know, I’m someone who grew up in Lebanon during the civil war. So I understand I firsthand experience impact of war. My family basically ended up being scattered all over the world. I still have family in Lebanon. I still have family in Palestine. We grew up with Palestine in our mind. Our people has been subjected to colonization and occupation for 75 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What brought you to Foster City specifically?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I immigrated in 1983 to the United States, and I was in Southern California. I went to college in Long Beach State, and that’s where I pursued my education. And while I was in college, I started a family business along with my brothers. And we had a career service. And then in 1992, we expanded from Southern California to Northern California. I actually stumbled over Foster City. I didn’t know that Foster City existed. I was shopping at a Middle Eastern store and started the conversation, and I told them I was thinking of moving to Burlingame and they said, ‘Well, you work in Union City. Why don’t you check out Foster City?’ I said, ‘Where is that?’ And I came to Foster City in 1992, fell in love with it. The community is such a great, diverse community that welcomes everybody. And after that, I got married and raised my children. My children were born in Foster City and went to Foster City schools. So, this is home for us. I’ve been here for so many years now, since 1992.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And what about your family? Are your brothers in Foster City as well? Are they still in Southern California?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>You know, Palestinians end up being everywhere and scattered everywhere because we are homeless. That’s really what we are. We are stateless. So, I have two brothers in Southern California. I have one brother in Canada. I have one sister in New York. I have one sister still in Lebanon. And if I could tell you about my extended family, there’s some in Germany, some I mean, all over Europe, some in Dubai, Saudi Arabia. It’s just wherever you can make a living, wherever you could go, because, you know, wherever you are, the concentration of the Palestinian community in Lebanon or Syria or Jordan and the camps is not really a future to have a economic and financial future. So, you end up taking the opportunities wherever you can in this large world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>On October 13th, Councilmember Hindi posted on his personal Facebook page saying, “The attacks by Hamas on Israeli civilians, including killing, injuring and kidnaping, are reprehensible and war crimes.” He went on to write that “destroying and flattening entire neighborhoods in Gaza could not be justified or explained as self-defense. The footage from Gaza of civilian casualties is horrifying and beyond description.” For weeks now, Hindi has been glued to Al-Jazeera and sharing social media posts from the ground in Gaza. And he also believes very strongly that the U.S. is complicit in the killing of civilians in Palestine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>As the U.S. government, we are guilty of genocide just as much as Israel is guilty of genocide. There is no question in my mind about this. After October 7, people were talking about, well, especially elected official in the Western world and here, you know, Israel has a right to defend itself. I think every nation has a right to defend itself. Not just Israel. That goes without saying. Let me ask these questions: is laying a siege on 2.2 million civilians, not allowing food, water, medical supplies to come in, is that defending yourself? Is bombarding homes defending yourself? Is bombing mosques and churches defending yourself? Is killing over 9000 civilians – over 3000 of them are children – defending yourself? I cannot fathom how anyone, and mainly our US administration – how do you think what is happening, by having this genocide being committed, by the suffering of so many people, by shattering the lives of so many people, gonna get us closer to peace or security? I argue that it does completely the opposite. I say it will harden more people. You will have more militant because the scars of war do not to you in one day or two. I, for one, was one of those who was hopeful for a two-state solution. And I have a lot of reservations on the Oslo Accord, but I’m talking about the principle of coexistence, the principle of making peace, the principle of living together. Unfortunately, what has happened and transpired since: the constant land theft of Palestinian land in Jerusalem and the West Bank and expanding the settlement enterprise, taking the indigenous people, kicking them out of their homes, stealing the land and building settlement on it, and all the violations of human rights and all the crimes that has been committed against the Palestinian people. Israel has been getting away with it with impunity. Unfortunately, from our country, the United States and the rest of the Western world, most of the Western world, not all of them. So I don’t see how that could happen. It’s really – and it’s kind of ironic that you hear Biden and his administration we are for a two state solution. Either they are disingenuous or they don’t know what they are talking about. And I don’t think they don’t know what they are talking about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>After the break, Sam Hindi talks about what role he thinks local elected officials in the Bay Area can play in this international conflict. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I want to ask you how you’re thinking about your role in this moment as a city councilor, as an American, as a Palestinian-American. What have your conversations been like?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>So, that’s a very important question. I mean, I have different hats and I wear those different hats and different roles. My job as a city council member is to be representing my entire community, not just a Palestinian communities, and not just my personal views as a Palestinian American. My job is to make sure the well-being of my entire community, those on either side or those who are not even involved, that they are being respected, that we are careful how people on the other side in our community are mourning as well. We have civilians in Israel who got killed as well. And I mourn all civilians. I represent the residents of Foster City equally. But with that being said, you ask me, what do I do? I continue to reach out to our congressional representatives to share with them the perspective and the feelings of the Palestinian-Arab-Muslim community, and quite frankly, our allies, who most of them are Jewish. Jewish Voice for Peace [and] Not In Our Name: those two organization are advocating for a cease fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Have you had a chance to actually get on the phone with some of these congressional representatives you’ve reached out to?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I have. Our congressional representative for our district is Kevin Mullin. But we’ve been reaching out to other issues and not just our local representative. Obviously, you know, our community is in a lot of pain. Our children in school are scared and being called terrorists. They’re being singled out. We make sure we reach out to the attorney general of the state of California, Rob Bonta, to make him aware of these things. We continue to be anxious, continue to be scared, and we feel abandoned quite, quite frankly, by our leadership in Washington. We feel betrayed by the Biden administration, and he better be careful. He is losing, if not already lost a lot of votes, not just from Palestinians, not just from Arabs, not just from Muslims, but also from our allies. Actions have consequences and hopefully that will be reflected on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>You are a city councilor of this one particular city. But we have seen Richmond, California, you know, pass a resolution standing in solidarity with the people of Palestine. I’m curious how you see your role in that way. Are there any conversations happening in Foster City, for example, about that kind of thing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>That’s a very tough and important question. And just to be clear, a resolution of any kind on international policy is symbolic, although it’s important sometimes to be symbolic. I’m not dismissing the importance. It’s very important. Basically, what Richmond said, in essence, we don’t want to be silent and we’re speaking out to what we see is wrong as crime. Others have reservations. I think it was an important move for the Richmond City Council to articulate their values for human rights and for freedom. Here in Foster City, I have not approached it. And…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Would you like to see something like that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I do. You know, on the city council. I’m one of five. To get anything done, you need at least two more people. I don’t think we’ll have three, so I weigh, is it worth going through the exercise and have the divisiveness in the community and not having the outcome? Because, you know, you’re going to open the debate and you’re going to have the divisiveness. For that reason, you way. What’s the point? What’s the value? I’m not here to divide my community. Yes, I’m here to lead. And I would love my community to see the injustice and to say that. To be fair to my colleagues, I have not approached them. I’m not suggesting that they are not or they are. I don’t know. But my gut feeling is I don’t have three.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What are the conversations that you’re having with your kids right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>So my kids are at an age now that they really understand everything on their own.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>How old are they?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>I have a 26, 24, and 21. My wife and I never kind of put them in and really drilled in them the Palestinian issue. They organically have seen because, unfortunately, what we are seeing now is this is like what, the fourth time at least, in Gaza. So, they grew up experiencing these things just from far away from the United States. But it’s organically had the connection they did on their own. My parents actually, the one thing that they drilled in our mind, me and my siblings, is we don’t have a problem with the Jewish religion and the Jews. This is about Zionism and the theft of Palestine. So, that is what my parents drilled in our heads. Be careful when you speak and be careful who you target with your speech. This is not a religious war. This is about colonialism and settlement and occupation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Thank you so much for taking the time and for speaking with us and sitting down. I really appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Sam Hindi: \u003c/strong>Well, thank you so much for reaching out and really for providing me the medium to share.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Sam Hindi, a city council member in Foster City. This conversation was pitched and produced by me. It was cut down and edited by senior editor Alan Montecillo and Maria Esquinca, who scored this episode. The Bay is a production of member-supported KQED in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thanks for listening. Talk to you next time.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>"
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"content": "\u003cp>Palestinian people and their allies are continuing calls for a ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hamas. Thousands of people filled San Francisco’s Civic Center on Saturday, joining nationwide rallies calling for an end to the fighting and for the U.S. to stop sending aid to Israel. The rally was the biggest so far in the Bay Area since the war began on October 7, and one of numerous actions in other cities, including a massive demonstration in Washington, D.C., with \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/ProtestmarchesbythousandsinEuropedemandhalttoIsraelibombingofGazaunderpolicewatch/193a9aaca97df2c5c6a515f756a40a34/text?Query=Palestine%20protests&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=31¤tItemNo=1\">other demonstrations\u003c/a> taking place across Europe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966446\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966446\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A woman waves a Palestinian flag amid a crowd of protesters.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A woman waves a Palestinian flag at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally in front of City Hall in San Francisco on Nov. 4, 2023. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I am optimistic about the unbelievable outpouring. Just coming here on BART this morning, half the car was people with signs,” said Seth Morrison, a member of the national board of Jewish Voice for Peace Action, at the rally. “I’m seeing all over the country our JVP chapters, our actions are bigger than ever.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966449\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966449\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut.jpg\" alt=\"An older white man in a blue and white cap and a Palestinian flag draped around his neck looks away with a blurred crowd in the back.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Seth Morrison, 72, attends the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally. Morrison, who lives in El Cerrito, has been organizing with Jewish Voice for Peace since 2011. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Suzanne Ali, an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement Bay Area Chapter, says she hopes the marches happening across the country draw attention to the thousands of Palestinians that have been killed in Gaza since the war began.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we’re seeing today is a shock to the human conscience. People need to focus on the real root issue of violence which is Israeli settler colonial occupation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966451\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1708px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966451\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510.jpg\" alt=\"A young Palestinian-American woman speaks to reporters.\" width=\"1708\" height=\"1260\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510.jpg 1708w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-800x590.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-1020x752.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-160x118.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-1536x1133.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1708px) 100vw, 1708px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Suzanne Ali, 25, speaks with reporters at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally. Ali of San Francisco is an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Andrea Muir said she has family in Gaza that have been displaced from their home, and that one of her cousins has died as a result of the fighting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It doesn’t feel right to sit at home,” said Muir.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s been a month since Hamas launched an unprecedented cross-border attack into Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking approximately 240 hostages, according to the Israeli government. In the weeks since, Israel’s unrelenting attacks on Gaza have killed \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/LiveupdatesPalestiniansreportdeadlyIsraeliairstrikesincludinginsouthernGaza/5f45787afc214e279f2ec4b160b7a910/text?Query=Washington%20DC%20&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=128¤tItemNo=1\">more than 9,400 people\u003c/a>, at least 3,600 of whom were children, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033\">Health Ministry in Gaza\u003c/a>. Over \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/ThesenumbersshowthestaggeringtolloftheIsrael-Hamaswar/5c9dc40bec95a8408c83f3c2fb759da0/text?Query=Israel&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=685¤tItemNo=0\">1.4 million people have been displaced\u003c/a>. Calls for a cease-fire, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/03/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/blinken-expected-to-push-netanyahu-for-humanitarian-pauses-in-military-operations?smid=url-share\">including a call for a humanitarian pause from U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Friday\u003c/a>, have so far been rebuffed by Israel, as supplies of food, water and medicine in Gaza run dangerously low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area has seen a series of vigils and rallies in recent weeks. Last Saturday \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13937170/the-art-of-protest-in-san-francisco-5-messages-from-the-gaza-rally\">an estimated 15,000 protesters marched up Market Street in downtown San Francisco and onto the Highway 101\u003c/a>. The following day, hundreds attended a tightly guarded pro-Israel rally in downtown San Francisco at Yerba Buena Gardens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966448\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966448\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of people on the lawn in front of San Francisco City Hall in the background.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Thousands gather at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally in front of City Hall. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Dozens of Bay Area residents traveled to Washington D.C. this weekend, joining the march there calling for an end to U.S. aid to Israel, an end to the siege of Gaza, and for an immediate ceasefire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have to do what I can in this moment and onwards to ensure that more Palestinians aren’t displaced from their lands, like my grandparents, using U.S. taxpayer dollars,” said Rami Abdelkarim, an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement in the Bay Area. “I want to join the people who refuse to sit idly by while our country funds the destruction and the displacement of my ancestors and my people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966456\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966456\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of protesters hold signs.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Thousands showed up to attend the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>San Francisco rally attendee Kisae Hussein said she feels a moral obligation to protest because her country, the United States, is spending tax dollars to support Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s hard not to feel despair when there’s all these marches and our representatives are still doing what they’re doing,” she said. “But if there’s enough pushback, if we boycott, divest, sanction, if we keep moving forward with these actions I think we have to have hope that something will happen despite how impossible it may seem.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966454\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966454\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A young boy with a Palestinian flag looks into the camera as protesters chant and hold signs behind him.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Adam Shain, 6, attends the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally with his mom Faten, who says they currently have family in Jordan and Palestine. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The response to the protesters’ calls by California politicians has been mixed. \u003c/span>California’s leading Senate candidates, running to fill the late Senator Dianne Feinstein’s seat, have largely \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/california-senate-israel-18429179.php\">expressed support for Israel’s response to the Hamas attacks. \u003c/a>Meanwhile, East Bay Rep. Barbara Lee is \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/1714466926032744879\">calling for a cease-fire\u003c/a> and is stressing that Israel must respond “\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/1712925097042853891\">within the framework of international law\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the White House has not called for a cease-fire thus far, President Biden on Wednesday did \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/BidencallsforhumanitarianpauseinIsrael-Hamaswar/422ed95081e5fe224dd9f0ed7920c4e8/text?Query=Biden%20Israel&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=218¤tItemNo=25\">call for a humanitarian pause\u003c/a> in Gaza, at a time of mounting pressure from human rights groups, and even members of his own Democratic Party. But a majority of the U.S. Congress continues to support the Israeli military. The House of Representatives recently \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/Houseapprovesnearly145billioninmilitaryaidforIsraelBidenvowstovetotheGOPapproach/b7bfe528b12ac5954cfd5c034f11320d/text?Query=Israel&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=673¤tItemNo=3\">approved $14.5 billion in military aid\u003c/a> for Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Thursday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966303/san-francisco-law-firm-sues-biden-administration-in-push-to-immediately-evacuate-palestinian-americans-stuck-in-gaza\">a San Francisco law firm sued the Biden administration\u003c/a> in a push to evacuate Palestinian-Americans trapped in Gaza, saying that while some American citizens have been evacuated, the administration has so far failed to bring Palestinian-Americans home to safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966460\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966460\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of protesters with signs and Palestinian flags gathered on the steps of San Francisco City Hall.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Attendees at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally in front of City Hall call for the Israeli military to cease fire in Palestine. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area’s Jewish Community Relations Council CEO Tyler Gregory said the JCRC and the Jewish Community are calling on the Biden administration to do everything to provide humanitarian aid and work with Israelis to minimize loss of life. But, he added, Israel would not live with a cease-fire until the hostages are returned and Hamas is “no longer ruling the Gaza Strip.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We think that it’s reasonable that Israel has the right to self-defense and to try to reclaim its hostages,” Gregory said on Friday. “And we know that the United States would do the exact same thing. There is a lot of hypocrisy going around by those that are denying Israel the right to finish this.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-running-out-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-ceasefire-prevent-genocide-0\">United Nations experts are warning\u003c/a> that Gaza is “running out of time” and are calling for an immediate cease-fire “to prevent genocide.” Amnesty International has referred to Israeli governance of Palestinians as “oppressive and discriminatory” and “a system of apartheid.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Organizers are planning more actions in the weeks ahead, including a protest at the Oakland Federal Building on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s Juan Carlos Lara, Annelise Finney, Attila Pelit, David Marks and Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story has been updated. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Palestinian people and their allies are continuing calls for a ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hamas. Thousands of people filled San Francisco’s Civic Center on Saturday, joining nationwide rallies calling for an end to the fighting and for the U.S. to stop sending aid to Israel. The rally was the biggest so far in the Bay Area since the war began on October 7, and one of numerous actions in other cities, including a massive demonstration in Washington, D.C., with \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/ProtestmarchesbythousandsinEuropedemandhalttoIsraelibombingofGazaunderpolicewatch/193a9aaca97df2c5c6a515f756a40a34/text?Query=Palestine%20protests&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=31¤tItemNo=1\">other demonstrations\u003c/a> taking place across Europe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966446\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966446\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A woman waves a Palestinian flag amid a crowd of protesters.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_018-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A woman waves a Palestinian flag at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally in front of City Hall in San Francisco on Nov. 4, 2023. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I am optimistic about the unbelievable outpouring. Just coming here on BART this morning, half the car was people with signs,” said Seth Morrison, a member of the national board of Jewish Voice for Peace Action, at the rally. “I’m seeing all over the country our JVP chapters, our actions are bigger than ever.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966449\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966449\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut.jpg\" alt=\"An older white man in a blue and white cap and a Palestinian flag draped around his neck looks away with a blurred crowd in the back.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_004-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Seth Morrison, 72, attends the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally. Morrison, who lives in El Cerrito, has been organizing with Jewish Voice for Peace since 2011. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Suzanne Ali, an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement Bay Area Chapter, says she hopes the marches happening across the country draw attention to the thousands of Palestinians that have been killed in Gaza since the war began.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we’re seeing today is a shock to the human conscience. People need to focus on the real root issue of violence which is Israeli settler colonial occupation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966451\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1708px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966451\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510.jpg\" alt=\"A young Palestinian-American woman speaks to reporters.\" width=\"1708\" height=\"1260\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510.jpg 1708w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-800x590.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-1020x752.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-160x118.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_001-qut-scaled-e1699144666510-1536x1133.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1708px) 100vw, 1708px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Suzanne Ali, 25, speaks with reporters at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally. Ali of San Francisco is an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Andrea Muir said she has family in Gaza that have been displaced from their home, and that one of her cousins has died as a result of the fighting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It doesn’t feel right to sit at home,” said Muir.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s been a month since Hamas launched an unprecedented cross-border attack into Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking approximately 240 hostages, according to the Israeli government. In the weeks since, Israel’s unrelenting attacks on Gaza have killed \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/LiveupdatesPalestiniansreportdeadlyIsraeliairstrikesincludinginsouthernGaza/5f45787afc214e279f2ec4b160b7a910/text?Query=Washington%20DC%20&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=128¤tItemNo=1\">more than 9,400 people\u003c/a>, at least 3,600 of whom were children, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033\">Health Ministry in Gaza\u003c/a>. Over \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/ThesenumbersshowthestaggeringtolloftheIsrael-Hamaswar/5c9dc40bec95a8408c83f3c2fb759da0/text?Query=Israel&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=685¤tItemNo=0\">1.4 million people have been displaced\u003c/a>. Calls for a cease-fire, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/03/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/blinken-expected-to-push-netanyahu-for-humanitarian-pauses-in-military-operations?smid=url-share\">including a call for a humanitarian pause from U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Friday\u003c/a>, have so far been rebuffed by Israel, as supplies of food, water and medicine in Gaza run dangerously low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area has seen a series of vigils and rallies in recent weeks. Last Saturday \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13937170/the-art-of-protest-in-san-francisco-5-messages-from-the-gaza-rally\">an estimated 15,000 protesters marched up Market Street in downtown San Francisco and onto the Highway 101\u003c/a>. The following day, hundreds attended a tightly guarded pro-Israel rally in downtown San Francisco at Yerba Buena Gardens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966448\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966448\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of people on the lawn in front of San Francisco City Hall in the background.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_022-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Thousands gather at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally in front of City Hall. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Dozens of Bay Area residents traveled to Washington D.C. this weekend, joining the march there calling for an end to U.S. aid to Israel, an end to the siege of Gaza, and for an immediate ceasefire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I have to do what I can in this moment and onwards to ensure that more Palestinians aren’t displaced from their lands, like my grandparents, using U.S. taxpayer dollars,” said Rami Abdelkarim, an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement in the Bay Area. “I want to join the people who refuse to sit idly by while our country funds the destruction and the displacement of my ancestors and my people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966456\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966456\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of protesters hold signs.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_007-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Thousands showed up to attend the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>San Francisco rally attendee Kisae Hussein said she feels a moral obligation to protest because her country, the United States, is spending tax dollars to support Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s hard not to feel despair when there’s all these marches and our representatives are still doing what they’re doing,” she said. “But if there’s enough pushback, if we boycott, divest, sanction, if we keep moving forward with these actions I think we have to have hope that something will happen despite how impossible it may seem.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966454\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966454\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A young boy with a Palestinian flag looks into the camera as protesters chant and hold signs behind him.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_013-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Adam Shain, 6, attends the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally with his mom Faten, who says they currently have family in Jordan and Palestine. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The response to the protesters’ calls by California politicians has been mixed. \u003c/span>California’s leading Senate candidates, running to fill the late Senator Dianne Feinstein’s seat, have largely \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/california-senate-israel-18429179.php\">expressed support for Israel’s response to the Hamas attacks. \u003c/a>Meanwhile, East Bay Rep. Barbara Lee is \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/1714466926032744879\">calling for a cease-fire\u003c/a> and is stressing that Israel must respond “\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/1712925097042853891\">within the framework of international law\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the White House has not called for a cease-fire thus far, President Biden on Wednesday did \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/BidencallsforhumanitarianpauseinIsrael-Hamaswar/422ed95081e5fe224dd9f0ed7920c4e8/text?Query=Biden%20Israel&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=218¤tItemNo=25\">call for a humanitarian pause\u003c/a> in Gaza, at a time of mounting pressure from human rights groups, and even members of his own Democratic Party. But a majority of the U.S. Congress continues to support the Israeli military. The House of Representatives recently \u003ca href=\"https://newsroom.ap.org/detail/Houseapprovesnearly145billioninmilitaryaidforIsraelBidenvowstovetotheGOPapproach/b7bfe528b12ac5954cfd5c034f11320d/text?Query=Israel&mediaType=text&sortBy=arrivaldatetime:desc&dateRange=Anytime&totalCount=673¤tItemNo=3\">approved $14.5 billion in military aid\u003c/a> for Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Thursday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966303/san-francisco-law-firm-sues-biden-administration-in-push-to-immediately-evacuate-palestinian-americans-stuck-in-gaza\">a San Francisco law firm sued the Biden administration\u003c/a> in a push to evacuate Palestinian-Americans trapped in Gaza, saying that while some American citizens have been evacuated, the administration has so far failed to bring Palestinian-Americans home to safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966460\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966460\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of protesters with signs and Palestinian flags gathered on the steps of San Francisco City Hall.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2030/11/KSM_PalestineRally_016_TONED-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Attendees at the International Day of Solidarity: Free Palestine rally in front of City Hall call for the Israeli military to cease fire in Palestine. \u003ccite>(Kathryn Styer Martínez for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area’s Jewish Community Relations Council CEO Tyler Gregory said the JCRC and the Jewish Community are calling on the Biden administration to do everything to provide humanitarian aid and work with Israelis to minimize loss of life. But, he added, Israel would not live with a cease-fire until the hostages are returned and Hamas is “no longer ruling the Gaza Strip.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We think that it’s reasonable that Israel has the right to self-defense and to try to reclaim its hostages,” Gregory said on Friday. “And we know that the United States would do the exact same thing. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Update, 1 p.m. Saturday\u003c/strong>: An 81-year-old Palestinian-American woman from the San Francisco Peninsula, who had been stuck in Gaza since the Israel-Hamas war erupted last month, was able to cross safely into Egypt on Friday through the Rafah border crossing, the attorney representing her family \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/gshamiehesq/posts/pfbid0rrFzPjMnqgZxdhk1onV2bokBHnGM4bxe7ba5CLjzgTrgh3b1JYPmmAttw2YPUcFhl\">said in a social media post\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Original story, 4 a.m. Friday\u003c/strong>:\u003cbr>\nA San Francisco law firm this week sued the Biden administration for failing to quickly evacuate several Palestinian-Americans who are among the hundreds of U.S. citizens still trapped in the war-torn Gaza Strip.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The lawsuits, filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, name U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin as defendants, claiming the government has not upheld its constitutional duty to bring American citizens home from a war zone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are asking, we are demanding, that the United States implement an emergency evacuation order and evacuate all U.S. citizens from Gaza immediately and safely,” said Ghassan Shamieh, an attorney with the firm Shamieh, Shamieh, and Ternieden, which is representing the families of two Palestinian-American women.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are here to make sure that our government knows that we will hold them accountable for the safety of every single one of its citizens until they are evacuated safely,” he told reporters early Thursday afternoon, in front of the Phillip Burton Federal Building in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Ghassan Shamieh, immigration attorney, Law Offices of Shamieh, Shamieh & Ternieden\"]‘We are asking, we are demanding, that the United States implement an emergency evacuation order and evacuate all U.S. citizens from Gaza immediately and safely.’[/pullquote]Shamieh said that the women, one of whom is an 81-year-old grandmother from the San Francisco Peninsula, had unsuccessfully tried multiple times in the last two days to enter Egypt through the Rafah border crossing, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/01/israel-hamas-war-gaza-injured-egypt-rafah-crossing\">which was just reopened on Wednesday\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This legal action, Shamieh said, is among at least seven similar suits spearheaded by the Michigan-based Arab American Civil Rights League on behalf of U.S. clients stranded in Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have no doubt that the United States, the most powerful country in the world, could obtain clearance for all of its citizens,” Shamieh said. He noted that he would withdraw the legal challenges if his clients are immediately evacuated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That, at least partially, came to pass just hours later, when Shamieh announced late Thursday afternoon that the younger of the two women had successfully crossed into Egypt, even as the 81-year-old was still stuck in Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We consider this a clear legal victory for our client, and we attribute this victory to the mounting legal and public pressure the US government is currently facing,” Shamieh said in a subsequent press release.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The evacuated woman’s grandson, who joined Shamieh at his early afternoon press event, said he had received a Facetime call from his grandmother in Gaza the previous week, after being unable to reach her for days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“‘This may be the last time that I’ll see you,’” Asher Rous, the grandson, said his grandmother told him. He recounted her saying that the bombings were getting worse and that she didn’t know what was going to happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“‘I just wanted to say my goodbyes,’” his grandmother told him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"Related Stories\" postID=\"news_11964576,forum_2010101894698,arts_13937170\"]The news of her safe passage comes as hundreds of civilians with foreign passports are poised to leave Gaza for the first time since Israel began its relentless missile attacks some three weeks ago in its resolve to destroy Hamas. The bombardment, in retaliation for Hamas’s brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israel that killed more than 1,400 people, has obliterated huge swaths of Gaza. As of Thursday,\u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-2-2023-6a398d4aeba979aef24960efc31eb772\"> more than 9,000 Palestinians\u003c/a> had so far been killed in the three-week bombing campaign, the Gaza Health Ministry said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The State Department has been in contact with about \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210094192/more-foreign-citizens-including-about-400-americans-are-set-to-depart-gaza\">400 American citizens trying to flee Gaza\u003c/a>, according to the State Department, and President Biden said “74 American folks” had been able to leave Gaza on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller declined to comment on the pending litigation, but stressed that the Biden administration “has no higher priority than getting those American citizens out of Gaza, getting them out as soon as possible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s been a difficult process. … when you have Hamas controlling one side of the border and just not being willing to let anyone go,” Miller added. “That said, we continue to work on it, we have made progress, and I hope that we can get them out in the coming days.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The news of her safe passage comes as hundreds of civilians with foreign passports are poised to leave Gaza for the first time since Israel began its relentless missile attacks some three weeks ago in its resolve to destroy Hamas. The bombardment, in retaliation for Hamas’s brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israel that killed more than 1,400 people, has obliterated huge swaths of Gaza. As of Thursday,\u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-2-2023-6a398d4aeba979aef24960efc31eb772\"> more than 9,000 Palestinians\u003c/a> had so far been killed in the three-week bombing campaign, the Gaza Health Ministry said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The State Department has been in contact with about \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210094192/more-foreign-citizens-including-about-400-americans-are-set-to-depart-gaza\">400 American citizens trying to flee Gaza\u003c/a>, according to the State Department, and President Biden said “74 American folks” had been able to leave Gaza on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller declined to comment on the pending litigation, but stressed that the Biden administration “has no higher priority than getting those American citizens out of Gaza, getting them out as soon as possible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s been a difficult process. … when you have Hamas controlling one side of the border and just not being willing to let anyone go,” Miller added. “That said, we continue to work on it, we have made progress, and I hope that we can get them out in the coming days.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Israel continues to respond to Hamas’ unprecedented attack on its people, bombarding Gaza and preparing for a ground offensive. Humanitarian groups and some foreign leaders are calling for a cease-fire. But what are the prospects for long-term peace? [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"President Joe Biden\"]‘In our view, it has to be a two-state solution. And that means a concentrated effort for all the parties — Israelis, Palestinians, regional partners, global leaders — to put us on a path toward peace.’[/pullquote]President Biden \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQv_L-NBiNg\">said Wednesday\u003c/a> that there is no going back to the status quo before Oct. 7 — meaning in part that when the crisis is over, there must be a view of what comes next.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In our view, it has to be a two-state solution,” he said, \u003ca href=\"https://sv.usembassy.gov/president-bidens-statement-during-his-visit-to-tel-aviv/\">reiterating a comment\u003c/a> he made during his visit to Israel. “And that means a concentrated effort for all the parties — Israelis, Palestinians, regional partners, global leaders — to put us on a path toward peace.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two-state solution calls for establishing an independent state for Palestinians alongside that of Israel. 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And its prospects now seem dimmer than ever, in light of Hamas’ attack on Israel and Israel’s response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dennis Ross, who was the chief U.S. negotiator at the 2000 Camp David summit between Israeli and Palestinian leaders, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207243717/23-years-ago-israelis-and-palestinians-were-talking-about-a-two-state-solution\">told NPR\u003c/a> that as heartbreaking as the situation is in the Middle East right now, eventually “there needs to be a day after.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have to understand: Israelis aren’t going anyplace, and Palestinians aren’t going anyplace,” Ross said. “Somehow, given that, we have to find a way towards coexistence, and obviously, we’re not there now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where did the two-state solution come from?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is long-running and complex but primarily rooted in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-us-policy-israeli-palestinian-conflict#chapter-title-0-1\">dispute over land\u003c/a> with immense historical and religious significance to Jews and Muslims (as well as Christians).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jewish proponents of the Zionist movement began moving to Ottoman Palestine — which was predominantly Arab — in the late 19th century, seeking safety from European antisemitism in their ancient homeland. Many more followed suit after the Holocaust. [aside postID=news_11965403 hero='https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231019-GazaRally-011-BL-qut-1020x680.jpg']Tensions grew between the two groups. Britain — which had governed Palestine since 1922 — referred the issue to the United Nations. The U.N. General Assembly voted in 1947 to divide Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181\">partition plan\u003c/a> was rejected by the Arab community, in part due to concerns about how much land and access to resources it would get. But the plan was embraced by the Jewish community as legal justification for the establishment of Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Israel \u003ca href=\"https://www.un.org/unispal/timeline/#:~:text=MAY%201948%3A%20Great%20Britain%20terminates,Nakba%20(%E2%80%9Ccatastrophe%E2%80%9D).\">declared independence\u003c/a> in May 1948. Five Arab nations \u003ca href=\"https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war\">immediately invaded\u003c/a> the new country, prompting a major Israeli offensive and many months of fighting. That resulted in the permanent displacement of thousands of Palestinians, which some refer to as \u003ca href=\"https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/\">the Nakba\u003c/a>, meaning “catastrophe” in Arabic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another major turning point came in 1967, with Israel’s decisive victory in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/event/Six-Day-War\">Six-Day War\u003c/a> against Egypt, Syria and Jordan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Israel gained territory \u003ca href=\"https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-1967-six-day-war\">four times its original size\u003c/a>, taking control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those territories have been a major point of contention and \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206720312/biden-israel-palestinians-presidents-mideast-peace\">peace negotiations\u003c/a> ever since. The U.N. \u003ca href=\"https://peacemaker.un.org/middle-east-resolution242\">issued a resolution\u003c/a> in 1967 calling for Israeli troops to withdraw from areas it captured, though the resolution’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-242\">meaning has been disputed\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That set up the current occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, which are collectively \u003ca href=\"https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-west-bank-and-gaza/west-bank-and-gaza/#:~:text=Section%20I.-,Religious%20Demography,Gaza%20Strip%20(midyear%202022).\">home to some 5 million Palestinians\u003c/a>. (Israel pulled troops and settlers \u003ca href=\"https://embassies.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Israels%20Disengagement%20Plan-%202005.aspx#:~:text=With%20the%20implementation%20of%20the,settlements%20in%20Samaria%2C%20was%20completed.\">out of Gaza \u003c/a>in 2005, but it’s still considered an occupied territory because the withdrawal was done without any agreement and Israel still \u003ca href=\"https://www.unicef.org/mena/documents/gaza-strip-humanitarian-impact-15-years-blockade-june-2022\">exerts control\u003c/a> over it.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two-state solution was baked into Israel’s creation but didn’t necessarily play out as planned, says Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What started off in the U.N.’s mind as a 50-50 split of Mandatory Palestine, after the 1948 war — which was initiated by the Arab armies — it was more than 50 percent for Israel. After 1967, it was 100 percent-plus for Israel,” he says. “And now Israel is, I think, the only country that’s hard to draw on a map.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Has the two-state solution ever come close to reality?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>U.S. President Bill Clinton brought Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin together in 1993 to negotiate the agreement that came to be known as the \u003ca href=\"https://history.state.gov/milestones/1993-2000/oslo\">Oslo Accords\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In it, Israel officially recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people and a partner in future negotiations, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The deal raised expectations for a two-state solution. But it quickly \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206720312/biden-israel-palestinians-presidents-mideast-peace\">began to unravel\u003c/a> after a series of events, including a 1994 attack on a mosque in Hebron by an American Jewish settler and Rabin’s assassination in 1995 by an Israeli settler opposed to the agreement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Almost immediately after the Oslo Accords were signed, Israel enhanced its policy of fragmenting Gaza from the West Bank and East Jerusalem, says Atalia Omer, a professor of religion, conflict and peace studies at the Keough School of Global Affairs at the University of Notre Dame.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, Israeli settlements continued to proliferate in the West Bank — on occupied land that the Palestinians hoped would be part of their state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that has continued in the years since. The population of Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, grew from 520,000 to more than 700,000 between 2012 and 2022, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/03/human-rights-council-hears-current-israeli-plan-double-settler-population-occupied\">U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Settlements continue to eat into Palestinian spaces,” Omer says. “And over the course of the 30 years since the Oslo Accords — signed in the White House in September 1993 — the settlements completely prevented the possibility of a contiguous sovereign Palestinian state within that two-state framework.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What are the other obstacles?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Discussions of a two-state solution center on a number of core issues, as the \u003ca href=\"https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-us-policy-israeli-palestinian-conflict#chapter-title-0-1\">Council on Foreign Relations\u003c/a> explains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One is how exactly the borders would be drawn. Most international diplomacy favors Israel reverting to a version of its pre-1967 borders, without a consensus on how that would account for the Palestinians living within those borders or the Jewish Israelis beyond them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Israel has annexed the whole city of Jerusalem as its capital, while Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of their state — which makes for another logistical question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s also the major question of Palestinian refugees of the wars of 1948 and 1967. The survivors and their descendants live mostly in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria and claim the right to return to Israel based on a 1948 \u003ca href=\"https://www.unrwa.org/content/resolution-194#:~:text=The%20United%20Nations%20General%20Assembly,not%20to%20return%20and%20for\">U.N. General Assembly resolution\u003c/a>. Israel views that right to return as a threat to its existence as a Jewish state and believes those refugees should go to the Palestinian state instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Security looms large, too. Israel views certain Palestinian militant groups as existential threats — including Hamas, which governs Gaza and whose \u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103\">founding charter\u003c/a> called for the obliteration of Israel — and wants them to disarm. Israel wants to maintain the ability to act in Palestinian areas against security threats. Palestinians want an end to Israel’s military occupation and full control over their own security.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both sides want recognition of their respective states by the other and the international community. Palestinians also want acknowledgment of and redress for their forced displacement, Omer says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There needs to be a recognition and kind of naming, and then put in place mechanisms to redress — how can Palestinians be compensated for historical injustice they experienced — and then figure out ways of respecting Jewish citizens in the space through principles of equality and democracy,” Omer says.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where did peace negotiations stand before this war?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There has been little progress since the turn of the millennium. The collapse of the 2000 peace process fueled the \u003ca href=\"https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080066/israel-palestine-intifadas-first-second\">Second Intifada\u003c/a>, a major Palestinian uprising in the Israel-occupied Palestinian territories and Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It ended in 2005 with some 1,000 Israelis and 3,200 Palestinians dead, along with heightened skepticism of the peace process on both sides. Those feelings seem to have prevailed in the years since, which have been marked by terrorist attacks, military raids, rocket fire, border clashes and \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/07/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict-timeline.html\">other incidents\u003c/a>. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Jon Alterman, director, Middle East Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies\"]‘As a fundamental proposition, it’s hard to have productive peace talks when no side sees either urgency or necessity to reach an agreement.’[/pullquote]“As a fundamental proposition, it’s hard to have productive peace talks when no side sees either urgency or necessity to reach an agreement,” says Alterman, of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says that from an Israeli perspective, security was improving, Palestinian demands were diminishing and it would be politically divisive to make concessions to them. Palestinians, meanwhile, had a sense that they couldn’t make an agreement with the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/07/24/1189720508/israel-politics-netanyahu-judiciary\">right-wing government\u003c/a> of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and that it wasn’t worth giving up rights when demographics were in their favor in the long run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All the while, support for a two-state solution has shrunk considerably among \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/live-updates/biden-israel-gaza-hamas-palestine#palestinian-and-israeli-support-for-a-two-state-solution-is-shrinking-polls-show\">both Israelis and Palestinians\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication#:~:text=Generational%20Divide%20on%20the%20Two,Palestinians%20aged%2046%20and%20older.\">Gallup poll\u003c/a> released last week — conducted before Hamas’ attack on Israel — found that just 24% of Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem supported a two-state solution. That figure is down from 59% in 2012.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/26/israelis-have-grown-more-skeptical-of-a-two-state-solution/\">Pew Research Center poll\u003c/a> released in September found that only 35% of Israelis think “a way can be found for Israel and an independent Palestinian state to coexist peacefully,” a decline of 15 percentage points since 2013.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A decent number of Israelis and Palestinians have come to conclude that it’s not a solution, that the nature of Israeli behavior, especially in the West Bank, makes a Palestinian state unviable,” says Alterman, noting that many members of the Israeli government want to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/06/14/875593140/as-israel-vows-annexation-palestinian-leaders-embark-on-risky-form-of-protest\">annex the West Bank \u003c/a>altogether.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says it’s too early to say where the current conflict will go, though many Israelis believe Israeli politics are more likely to move to the right than the left in the wake of Hamas’ attack, which killed some 1,400 people in Israel and resulted in more than 220 hostages taken.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When I talk to Israeli officials, I don’t get any sense that part of the strategy is providing a political horizon for Palestinians,” he added, “which is what a peace agreement would ostensibly be.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That doesn’t mean Israeli citizens aren’t pushing for peace at all. Sally Abed is a member of \u003ca href=\"https://www.standing-together.org/about-us\">Standing Together\u003c/a>, an organization that aims to improve Arab-Jewish relations within Israel, and she’s also a Palestinian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I really don’t want to think that we needed to endure such loss, such atrocities here in Israel,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/21/1207763482/peace-activists-in-israel-speak-about-their-hopes-for-the-end-of-war\">she told NPR\u003c/a>. “But maybe now I really hope that from this dark corner, we can have this shift in the paradigm on how we actually look at these wars and how, actually, we look at the Israeli control over Gaza and over the West Bank, and really have a different outlook on what our leadership actually should look like.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What are the alternatives?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There are alternatives to a two-state solution — including a one-state solution, a confederation, annexation and maintaining the status quo — at least in theory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA725-1.html\">Rand Corp. focus groups\u003c/a> conducted in 2018 and 2019 found that none of those was acceptable to a majority of both Israelis and Palestinians, underscoring the deep complexities and emotions involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alterman says one of the biggest challenges for Israelis is balancing the need for a Jewish state and a democratic state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a one-state solution that gives citizenship to all of the natural-born residents of Mandatory Palestine — which includes Gaza and the West Bank — you don’t have a Jewish majority,” he explained. “A substantial line of thought [in Israel] is that it’s more important that Israel be Jewish than democratic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In contrast, most Americans — 73% — would choose a democratic over a Jewish Israel, according to a \u003ca href=\"https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/americans-opt-for-a-democratic-israel-not-a-jewish-state/\">University of Maryland and Ipsos poll\u003c/a> conducted this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Omer is one of many who see the current reality as that of a single state. She points to the exclusionary practices and annexationist policies of the right-wing Netanyahu government, like a \u003ca href=\"https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/7/19/israel-passes-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law\">2018 law that demoted Arabic\u003c/a> as one of Israel’s official languages, and the recent findings of human rights groups \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/956020789/israeli-human-rights-group-says-the-country-pursues-nondemocratic-apartheid-regi\">in and beyond Israel\u003c/a> that its practices toward Palestinians \u003ca href=\"https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/\">amount to apartheid\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says some Israeli and Palestinian activists support a one-state solution, but in \u003ca href=\"https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080094/what-are-the-two-state-solution-and-the-one-state-solution\">different formats\u003c/a> and for different reasons. [aside postID=news_11964835 hero='https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/10/231008-Pro-Palestine-March-in-San-Francisco-21-AC-KQED-1020x680.jpg']Some leftists and Palestinians support the creation of a democratic, secular country in which Arab Muslims would outnumber Jews. But some rightists and Israelis would prefer to see Israel annex the West Bank — either forcing out Palestinians or denying them the right to vote — \u003ca href=\"https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2020/06/israeli-annexation-parts-palestinian-west-bank-would-break-international-law-un\">which is illegal\u003c/a> under international human rights law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some activists, like the group \u003ca href=\"https://www.alandforall.org/english/?d=ltr\">A Land for All\u003c/a>, argue that solutions based on separation have failed in the past, and they are instead pushing for a \u003ca href=\"https://www.alandforall.org/english-program/?d=ltr\">confederal framework\u003c/a>, with two sovereign states sharing the capital of Jerusalem and an open border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Omer says there are “historical examples of life together in this space that is not within the paradigm of domination.” She acknowledges that it’s hard to imagine those kinds of possibilities in this moment but says the need for change is clear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we can see depends on, also, an expression of how the paradigm that had been there before Oct. 7 is completely collapsing,” she says. “And all these contradictions just cannot be sustained anymore.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Tensions grew between the two groups. Britain — which had governed Palestine since 1922 — referred the issue to the United Nations. The U.N. General Assembly voted in 1947 to divide Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181\">partition plan\u003c/a> was rejected by the Arab community, in part due to concerns about how much land and access to resources it would get. But the plan was embraced by the Jewish community as legal justification for the establishment of Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Israel \u003ca href=\"https://www.un.org/unispal/timeline/#:~:text=MAY%201948%3A%20Great%20Britain%20terminates,Nakba%20(%E2%80%9Ccatastrophe%E2%80%9D).\">declared independence\u003c/a> in May 1948. Five Arab nations \u003ca href=\"https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war\">immediately invaded\u003c/a> the new country, prompting a major Israeli offensive and many months of fighting. That resulted in the permanent displacement of thousands of Palestinians, which some refer to as \u003ca href=\"https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/\">the Nakba\u003c/a>, meaning “catastrophe” in Arabic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another major turning point came in 1967, with Israel’s decisive victory in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/event/Six-Day-War\">Six-Day War\u003c/a> against Egypt, Syria and Jordan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Israel gained territory \u003ca href=\"https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-1967-six-day-war\">four times its original size\u003c/a>, taking control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those territories have been a major point of contention and \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206720312/biden-israel-palestinians-presidents-mideast-peace\">peace negotiations\u003c/a> ever since. The U.N. \u003ca href=\"https://peacemaker.un.org/middle-east-resolution242\">issued a resolution\u003c/a> in 1967 calling for Israeli troops to withdraw from areas it captured, though the resolution’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-242\">meaning has been disputed\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That set up the current occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, which are collectively \u003ca href=\"https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/israel-west-bank-and-gaza/west-bank-and-gaza/#:~:text=Section%20I.-,Religious%20Demography,Gaza%20Strip%20(midyear%202022).\">home to some 5 million Palestinians\u003c/a>. (Israel pulled troops and settlers \u003ca href=\"https://embassies.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Israels%20Disengagement%20Plan-%202005.aspx#:~:text=With%20the%20implementation%20of%20the,settlements%20in%20Samaria%2C%20was%20completed.\">out of Gaza \u003c/a>in 2005, but it’s still considered an occupied territory because the withdrawal was done without any agreement and Israel still \u003ca href=\"https://www.unicef.org/mena/documents/gaza-strip-humanitarian-impact-15-years-blockade-june-2022\">exerts control\u003c/a> over it.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The two-state solution was baked into Israel’s creation but didn’t necessarily play out as planned, says Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What started off in the U.N.’s mind as a 50-50 split of Mandatory Palestine, after the 1948 war — which was initiated by the Arab armies — it was more than 50 percent for Israel. After 1967, it was 100 percent-plus for Israel,” he says. “And now Israel is, I think, the only country that’s hard to draw on a map.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Has the two-state solution ever come close to reality?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>U.S. President Bill Clinton brought Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin together in 1993 to negotiate the agreement that came to be known as the \u003ca href=\"https://history.state.gov/milestones/1993-2000/oslo\">Oslo Accords\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In it, Israel officially recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people and a partner in future negotiations, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The deal raised expectations for a two-state solution. But it quickly \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206720312/biden-israel-palestinians-presidents-mideast-peace\">began to unravel\u003c/a> after a series of events, including a 1994 attack on a mosque in Hebron by an American Jewish settler and Rabin’s assassination in 1995 by an Israeli settler opposed to the agreement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Almost immediately after the Oslo Accords were signed, Israel enhanced its policy of fragmenting Gaza from the West Bank and East Jerusalem, says Atalia Omer, a professor of religion, conflict and peace studies at the Keough School of Global Affairs at the University of Notre Dame.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, Israeli settlements continued to proliferate in the West Bank — on occupied land that the Palestinians hoped would be part of their state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that has continued in the years since. The population of Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, grew from 520,000 to more than 700,000 between 2012 and 2022, according to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/03/human-rights-council-hears-current-israeli-plan-double-settler-population-occupied\">U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Settlements continue to eat into Palestinian spaces,” Omer says. “And over the course of the 30 years since the Oslo Accords — signed in the White House in September 1993 — the settlements completely prevented the possibility of a contiguous sovereign Palestinian state within that two-state framework.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What are the other obstacles?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Discussions of a two-state solution center on a number of core issues, as the \u003ca href=\"https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-us-policy-israeli-palestinian-conflict#chapter-title-0-1\">Council on Foreign Relations\u003c/a> explains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One is how exactly the borders would be drawn. Most international diplomacy favors Israel reverting to a version of its pre-1967 borders, without a consensus on how that would account for the Palestinians living within those borders or the Jewish Israelis beyond them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Israel has annexed the whole city of Jerusalem as its capital, while Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of their state — which makes for another logistical question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s also the major question of Palestinian refugees of the wars of 1948 and 1967. The survivors and their descendants live mostly in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria and claim the right to return to Israel based on a 1948 \u003ca href=\"https://www.unrwa.org/content/resolution-194#:~:text=The%20United%20Nations%20General%20Assembly,not%20to%20return%20and%20for\">U.N. General Assembly resolution\u003c/a>. Israel views that right to return as a threat to its existence as a Jewish state and believes those refugees should go to the Palestinian state instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Security looms large, too. Israel views certain Palestinian militant groups as existential threats — including Hamas, which governs Gaza and whose \u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103\">founding charter\u003c/a> called for the obliteration of Israel — and wants them to disarm. Israel wants to maintain the ability to act in Palestinian areas against security threats. Palestinians want an end to Israel’s military occupation and full control over their own security.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both sides want recognition of their respective states by the other and the international community. Palestinians also want acknowledgment of and redress for their forced displacement, Omer says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There needs to be a recognition and kind of naming, and then put in place mechanisms to redress — how can Palestinians be compensated for historical injustice they experienced — and then figure out ways of respecting Jewish citizens in the space through principles of equality and democracy,” Omer says.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where did peace negotiations stand before this war?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There has been little progress since the turn of the millennium. The collapse of the 2000 peace process fueled the \u003ca href=\"https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080066/israel-palestine-intifadas-first-second\">Second Intifada\u003c/a>, a major Palestinian uprising in the Israel-occupied Palestinian territories and Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It ended in 2005 with some 1,000 Israelis and 3,200 Palestinians dead, along with heightened skepticism of the peace process on both sides. Those feelings seem to have prevailed in the years since, which have been marked by terrorist attacks, military raids, rocket fire, border clashes and \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/07/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict-timeline.html\">other incidents\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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Palestinians, meanwhile, had a sense that they couldn’t make an agreement with the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/07/24/1189720508/israel-politics-netanyahu-judiciary\">right-wing government\u003c/a> of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and that it wasn’t worth giving up rights when demographics were in their favor in the long run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All the while, support for a two-state solution has shrunk considerably among \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/live-updates/biden-israel-gaza-hamas-palestine#palestinian-and-israeli-support-for-a-two-state-solution-is-shrinking-polls-show\">both Israelis and Palestinians\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication#:~:text=Generational%20Divide%20on%20the%20Two,Palestinians%20aged%2046%20and%20older.\">Gallup poll\u003c/a> released last week — conducted before Hamas’ attack on Israel — found that just 24% of Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem supported a two-state solution. That figure is down from 59% in 2012.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/26/israelis-have-grown-more-skeptical-of-a-two-state-solution/\">Pew Research Center poll\u003c/a> released in September found that only 35% of Israelis think “a way can be found for Israel and an independent Palestinian state to coexist peacefully,” a decline of 15 percentage points since 2013.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A decent number of Israelis and Palestinians have come to conclude that it’s not a solution, that the nature of Israeli behavior, especially in the West Bank, makes a Palestinian state unviable,” says Alterman, noting that many members of the Israeli government want to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/06/14/875593140/as-israel-vows-annexation-palestinian-leaders-embark-on-risky-form-of-protest\">annex the West Bank \u003c/a>altogether.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says it’s too early to say where the current conflict will go, though many Israelis believe Israeli politics are more likely to move to the right than the left in the wake of Hamas’ attack, which killed some 1,400 people in Israel and resulted in more than 220 hostages taken.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When I talk to Israeli officials, I don’t get any sense that part of the strategy is providing a political horizon for Palestinians,” he added, “which is what a peace agreement would ostensibly be.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That doesn’t mean Israeli citizens aren’t pushing for peace at all. Sally Abed is a member of \u003ca href=\"https://www.standing-together.org/about-us\">Standing Together\u003c/a>, an organization that aims to improve Arab-Jewish relations within Israel, and she’s also a Palestinian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I really don’t want to think that we needed to endure such loss, such atrocities here in Israel,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/21/1207763482/peace-activists-in-israel-speak-about-their-hopes-for-the-end-of-war\">she told NPR\u003c/a>. “But maybe now I really hope that from this dark corner, we can have this shift in the paradigm on how we actually look at these wars and how, actually, we look at the Israeli control over Gaza and over the West Bank, and really have a different outlook on what our leadership actually should look like.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What are the alternatives?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There are alternatives to a two-state solution — including a one-state solution, a confederation, annexation and maintaining the status quo — at least in theory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA725-1.html\">Rand Corp. focus groups\u003c/a> conducted in 2018 and 2019 found that none of those was acceptable to a majority of both Israelis and Palestinians, underscoring the deep complexities and emotions involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alterman says one of the biggest challenges for Israelis is balancing the need for a Jewish state and a democratic state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you have a one-state solution that gives citizenship to all of the natural-born residents of Mandatory Palestine — which includes Gaza and the West Bank — you don’t have a Jewish majority,” he explained. “A substantial line of thought [in Israel] is that it’s more important that Israel be Jewish than democratic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In contrast, most Americans — 73% — would choose a democratic over a Jewish Israel, according to a \u003ca href=\"https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/americans-opt-for-a-democratic-israel-not-a-jewish-state/\">University of Maryland and Ipsos poll\u003c/a> conducted this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Omer is one of many who see the current reality as that of a single state. She points to the exclusionary practices and annexationist policies of the right-wing Netanyahu government, like a \u003ca href=\"https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/7/19/israel-passes-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law\">2018 law that demoted Arabic\u003c/a> as one of Israel’s official languages, and the recent findings of human rights groups \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/01/12/956020789/israeli-human-rights-group-says-the-country-pursues-nondemocratic-apartheid-regi\">in and beyond Israel\u003c/a> that its practices toward Palestinians \u003ca href=\"https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/\">amount to apartheid\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says some Israeli and Palestinian activists support a one-state solution, but in \u003ca href=\"https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080094/what-are-the-two-state-solution-and-the-one-state-solution\">different formats\u003c/a> and for different reasons. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Some leftists and Palestinians support the creation of a democratic, secular country in which Arab Muslims would outnumber Jews. But some rightists and Israelis would prefer to see Israel annex the West Bank — either forcing out Palestinians or denying them the right to vote — \u003ca href=\"https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2020/06/israeli-annexation-parts-palestinian-west-bank-would-break-international-law-un\">which is illegal\u003c/a> under international human rights law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some activists, like the group \u003ca href=\"https://www.alandforall.org/english/?d=ltr\">A Land for All\u003c/a>, argue that solutions based on separation have failed in the past, and they are instead pushing for a \u003ca href=\"https://www.alandforall.org/english-program/?d=ltr\">confederal framework\u003c/a>, with two sovereign states sharing the capital of Jerusalem and an open border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Omer says there are “historical examples of life together in this space that is not within the paradigm of domination.” She acknowledges that it’s hard to imagine those kinds of possibilities in this moment but says the need for change is clear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we can see depends on, also, an expression of how the paradigm that had been there before Oct. 7 is completely collapsing,” she says. “And all these contradictions just cannot be sustained anymore.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Thousands of Palestinians and Israelis have been killed since the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas forces in Israel. Thousands \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-781b3c63af4ae6e51c313a68f314e66d\">more Palestinians have been wounded and displaced during Israeli air raids\u003c/a> — with \u003ca href=\"https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/22/israeli-air-raids-kill-at-least-55-in-gaza-overnight-hamas-says#:~:text=Israeli%20air%20raids%20have%20damaged,time%20in%20nearly%20a%20decade.\">strikes destroying 40% of Gaza’s housing\u003c/a>, according to the United Nations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/middleeast/gaza-water-war-climate-intl-cmd/index.html%20--%20which%20also%20speaks%20to\">Israel also sealed off Gaza for over a week\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/16/1206256497/the-latest-in-gaza-as-power-drinking-water-and-medical-supplies-are-running-out\">halting the entry of food, water, medicine and fuel\u003c/a>. Israel recently allowed 20 trucks to enter Palestine carrying aid — \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trucks-enter-gaza-carrying-medical-supplies-food-hamas-2023-10-21/\">a vast reduction from the hundreds of trucks usually entering Palestine daily\u003c/a>. [aside label='More on Creating Healthy Dialogue with Your Kids' link1='https://www.npr.org/2019/04/24/716704917/when-the-news-is-scary-what-to-say-to-kids, What to Say to Kids When the News is Scary']The population in Gaza is among the youngest in the world, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206479861/israel-gaza-hamas-children-population-war-palestinians\">with nearly half of the people living there under the age of 18\u003c/a>. A 2021 study showed that \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict\">91% of children in the Gaza Strip have post-traumatic stress disorder\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With how connected our world is, it is likely your child in the United States has seen the images and videos coming out of Gaza on the Internet or on TV — which sometimes directly show other young people in distress. The devastation can be difficult to explain to children, who may struggle to comprehend the deaths and political conflict.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hilit Kletter is a child psychologist at Stanford Medicine and \u003ca href=\"https://profiles.stanford.edu/hilit-kletter\">the director of the Stress and Resilience Clinic\u003c/a>. KQED’s Brian Watt spoke to Kletter about how parents and caregivers can approach these tough conversations with children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This conversation has been edited for brevity and clarity.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian Watt: How is speaking with kids about this violence in Gaza different from talking to children about other types of violence? For example, mass shootings here in the United States? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hilit Kletter: It’s not much different. The content and the idea is similar. The only difference might be that, unfortunately, shootings are something that we hear about more commonly here in the States. And war might be a more foreign concept, especially for younger children having a difficult time grasping that the war is not happening \u003cem>here\u003c/em> but is happening somewhere far away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>But shootings also seem more random, even if they are somewhat commonplace, unfortunately, in the United States … and to have less context around them than war, for example. Is there any difference there in how kids process that? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Within the U.S., unfortunately, it’s become commonplace because of the frequency and increase of mass shootings that a lot of the schools now have drills for it. Some kids have experienced lockdowns in their school — so they do have awareness. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Hilit Kletter, child psychologist, Stanford Medicine\"]‘It’s inevitable that your child may hear something about it, whether at school, through their friends, through other adults talking about it.’[/pullquote]The concept of war is a little bit more difficult to explain: What that \u003cem>is\u003c/em>, and — for especially younger individuals — to grasp the abstract idea behind it of what causes war and “Why are two sides fighting?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And you cannot explain it in basic terms for really young kids. I might explain it in terms of: “It’s kind of like when you have an argument with a friend, and you might disagree,” but that doesn’t get at the complexity, right? Then, depending on the developmental level, you’re probably going to provide different explanations for kids around it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>So, what are some other ways to begin this dialogue with children? How can parents start thinking about it? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s inevitable that your child may hear something about it, whether at school, through their friends, through other adults talking about it. And a lot of times, we’re not aware when we are adults conversing amongst ourselves that the kids are nearby and pick up on everything. So, I think as a parent, it is important to pre-empt. Because you want to be the one providing the information and not have this be introduced by someone else to your child. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Hilit Kletter, child psychologist, Stanford Medicine\"]‘We don’t recommend lying to kids or fudging the truth — but tailoring the information according to the age.’[/pullquote]And the way I would begin it is by asking: What do they know, and what have they heard? Because that’s an opportunity to then start the conversation; to gently correct any misperceptions, provide them with information at the appropriate developmental level, and be honest, as much as you can.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We don’t recommend lying to kids or fudging the truth — but tailoring the information according to the age.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>We’ve seen rallies in support of Israel and protests condemning Israel’s response in Gaza and the siege. How should parents approach explaining the response here in the United States? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think the way you can focus on it is what people are trying to do to help. And regardless of what side you’re on, that people are concerned. [aside label='More on the Youth Population in Gaza' link1='https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict, Half of the Population of Gaza is Under 18. What that Means for the Conflict']Some may have loved ones or family over there, and people are doing what they can to help. There’s many different ways that they can go about doing that, whether they volunteer to gather supplies to send to the affected individuals or collect donations to provide to different disaster relief organizations. Or they go to rallies to show their support, or just [come] together as a community to be able to express what you \u003cem>do \u003c/em>think about it and have a source of support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kids will begin to form opinions. Is there a way to talk to them about being sensitive to peers who might be hurt by those opinions? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that’s why it’s important to encourage those conversations within the family at first — to allow them to express how they feel and what they think. To also help them practice because kids may not have the ability like adults to filter information. And currently, there’s \u003cem>so \u003c/em>much information out there. It’s overwhelming, even as an adult. As adults, we can help kids be able to filter that. [pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Hilit Kletter, child psychologist, Stanford Medicine\"]‘It’s important to encourage those conversations within the family at first — to allow them to express how they feel, and what they think.’[/pullquote]I think there’s two approaches. One is — you can view it as an opportunity for discussion. People often don’t agree — and that’s the beauty of the world, that we can have differing opinions, we can express how we feel. And sometimes that can be an opportunity for discussion and learning and growth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other times, when people have very strong opinions, it’s maybe best not to engage and to learn to respect that it’s OK that people will have different opinions. And that you can walk away, and it’s OK to agree to disagree.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What kind of impact can the many graphic images of the war that we are seeing widely shared on social media have on children? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It can impact their sleep. It can impact their sense of safety: Feeling more afraid, having increased anxiety and just general fears. It can sometimes be portrayed in more disruptive behavior — starting to act out, or having temper tantrums or being more defiant. In older kids, you might see them become more withdrawn or isolated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[It’s] also important to remember that kids’ brains are still developing … the prefrontal cortex doesn’t stop developing until age 26. 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They then cast doubt on subsequent evidence suggesting that the hospital was most likely hit by an errant rocket fired by Palestinian militants and that the death toll — while still strikingly high — was significantly lower than initially reported.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While incontrovertible confirmation of who perpetrated this particular tragedy may not come for some time — if ever — it’s clear that the chaotic online discourse around it further inflamed tensions.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Eroding trust\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“It’s not just that there are fraudulent pieces of information out there. When the \u003cem>authentic\u003c/em> pieces of information come out, we don’t know if we should trust it,” said Hany Farid, a UC Berkeley School of Information professor specializing in detecting manipulated media and deep fakes. “And that makes reasoning about what is happening really difficult. Nobody fundamentally knows what’s going on anymore, and that’s insane.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the last year, major social media platforms have \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11932611/with-mass-social-media-layoffs-researchers-warn-of-rise-in-hate-speech\">gutted their content moderation teams, a shift that many say is in part responsible for the proliferation of \u003c/a>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207173798/fake-accounts-old-videos-and-rumors-fuel-chaos-around-gaza-hospital-explosion\">photos and videos\u003c/a> of this war that turn out to be recycled from other conflicts — or are sometimes even clipped from video games.[pullquote align =\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Hany Farid, UC Berkeley School of Information\"]‘People should be angry that when they go online, they are being lied to. They are being manipulated by other people, by state-sponsored actors, and by the very platforms, and we are no longer informed citizens.’[/pullquote]“Let’s start with Twitter. (I refuse to call it X.) 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Last week, her group \u003ca href=\"https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/10/social-media-platforms-must-do-better-when-handling-misinformation-especially\">posted an open letter\u003c/a> calling on social media companies to better handle misinformation, particularly during major international conflicts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These are not new problems,” York said. “We want platforms to ensure that their content moderation practices are transparent and consistent. We want them to sufficiently resource in every location in which they operate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Every researcher KQED spoke to also lamented the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11905230/do-federal-lawmakers-have-the-stomach-to-rein-in-big-tech\">lack of federal regulation\u003c/a> of social media platforms. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Hey, it’s Ericka. Quick announcement. We’re hiring an intern. This is a 16 hour a week paid opportunity that goes from January to June of next year. If you’ve got a passion for local news and podcasts, let’s talk. DEADLINE to apply is November 17th. The link to the app is in our show notes. All right, Here’s the show. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Just hours after Hamas gunmen slipped into Israel from the Gaza Strip, unverified photos and videos began circulating on X, formerly known as Twitter. Old repurposed images of armed conflict were being shared and passed off as new by anonymous accounts that had purchased blue checkmarks under X’s premium subscription service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Davey Alba: \u003c/strong>A lot of misinformers kind of flooded the zone with their own narratives and spread confusion and fear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Twitter has never really been the perfect source for reliable news. But ever since Elon Musk bought the company a year ago, the spread of misinformation on the platform has only gotten worse. And getting accurate news about Israel and Hamas on the platform feels like navigating a minefield today. Why? The Israel-Hamas conflict was a test for Elon Musk’s ex and how it failed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Davey Alba: \u003c/strong>It has been a mess on the platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Davey Alba is a technology reporter for Bloomberg News.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Davey Alba: \u003c/strong>Beyond sort of the initial reports about the attack on Israel, there has been a steady drumbeat ever since of misinformation as Israel has turned its attention to Gaza. There’s a video of supposedly pro Hamas supporters blocking off a highway in New York ahead of the so-called Global Day of Jihad, which is when a former Hamas chief called for protests around the world. That was actually a street racer waving a Puerto Rican flag. There have been videos that sought to undermine the work of real journalists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Davey Alba: \u003c/strong>For instance, a video circulating asserting that CNN staged footage of its news crew under attack in Israel and the audio was manipulated to serve that narrative. And there have been even just awful denials of the atrocities that are actually happening. So it’s a combination of a lot of complicated factors. We are in a fog of war, as a lot of experts have pointed out, and there are real time events and reporting that needs to happen over time before we really know what happens day to day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>As you and your colleagues have reported, the spread of this false information, as we’re seeing in this moment, seems to have increased or gotten worse because of some of these systemic changes. Can you sort of tick through some of these these changes that have led to kind of what we’re seeing now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Davey Alba: \u003c/strong>The company loosened its platforms, rules, cut trust and safety employees after previously saying it would expand the team, reinstated banned accounts and allowed people to pay for a check mark on X. I’ll start with the cutting of the Trust and Safety team. Those are the folks who were focused on making sure that users had a safe experience on the site. And that means limiting, upsetting, offensive, hateful content. One thing that they put into place is a verification system where they had verified thousands of notable people who work in journalism, in media, have official positions, and beside their names there would be a checkmark that showed that Twitter itself had verified those folks in place of that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Davey Alba: \u003c/strong>Anyone can buy a verified checkmark, the blue checkmark, as they call it. Getting the check mark now allows you to possibly reach audiences even more, given the algorithmic boost that Twitter gives the people who purchase this checkmark. And so, you know, if you’re Amazon former, then you might be motivated to sign up for that verification that that X premium program, as they call it. One thing that happened in just the past few days is an account of someone who claimed to be a journalist from Jazeera posted that they had seen a Hamas bomb fall on a hospital in Gaza. This account was verified with a check mark. 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Old repurposed images of armed conflict were being shared and passed off as new by anonymous accounts that had purchased blue checkmarks under X’s premium subscription service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Davey Alba: \u003c/strong>A lot of misinformers kind of flooded the zone with their own narratives and spread confusion and fear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Twitter has never really been the perfect source for reliable news. But ever since Elon Musk bought the company a year ago, the spread of misinformation on the platform has only gotten worse. And getting accurate news about Israel and Hamas on the platform feels like navigating a minefield today. Why? 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