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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Scott and Marisa are joined by KQED’s Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez to talk about the trial and verdict in the case of David DePape, who is accused of attacking Paul Pelosi with the hammer. Then, KQED politics and government correspondent Guy Marzorati joins to talk about protestors shutting down the Bay Bridge, Biden’s successful meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping and Guy’s weekend plans: covering the state Democratic Convention in Sacramento.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey, everyone. From KQED Public Radio, this is Political Breakdown. And I’m Marisa Largo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m Scott Shafer. Today on The Breakdown, a guilty verdict in the case of the man who attacked Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, after breaking into their San Francisco home last year.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our very own Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez is here to update us on the conviction of David DePape and fill us in on the details of that trial, which he’s been in court for for the past couple of weeks. We will also chat with Guy Marzorati about his exciting weekend plans. He’s heading up to Sacramento for the state Democratic Convention. Thanks, Guy. But first, Joe, welcome back. Thank you for being here.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for having me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey Joe. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So under the wire, made it back in time for this taping. And, you know, we should say this guilty verdict came out today very shortly after the prosecutors had rested their case. Explain what he’s been convicted of exactly.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, sure. So it’s not as straightforward as you would expect as an attack with a hammer would be. These specific federal charges rely on Pelosi as a federal officer. It’s attacking the family member of a federal officer — assault, I should say — and attempted kidnapping of a federal officer in retaliation for her duties. So that makes this a lot different than what folks might expect.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And we saw DePape did take the stand in his own defense earlier in the week. I mean, did he talk about his intent? I mean, it was kind of surprising to some that that he actually, you know, was there to sort of help himself, but he didn’t really say anything that would seem to help him.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I you know, it’s it’s an interesting choice because it really isn’t common to see the accused up there on the witness stand, right? But again, it has to do with these very specific charges. What the defense really was trying to get at is, why did he target Pelosi? What was his reason for going after Pelosi? In the defense’s arguments, they essentially were trying to say, well, if it was not because of her federal duties, like because she took a vote that they didn’t, that he didn’t like, or because she took funding away from a program that he didn’t like, if it wasn’t related to that and it was something outside of that, then actually this federal statute, this very particular and unique federal statute should not apply. So they got him up there and he’s telling way more details than we had heard before. He had an inflatable unicorn costume that he wanted to wear on video while breaking the speaker’s kneecaps and then potentially wheeling her out in the Congress. How he gets from her home to Congress, I can’t tell you. But what I will tell you is that was part of his plan. And then to lure someone that the court called Target One, who is an academic in queer theory to Pelosi’s home. That was the fascinating part. Pelosi wasn’t even his main target. His main target was this academic who he accused, quite erroneously, completely ridiculous of being a pedophile.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m still stuck on inflatable unicorn. Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They held it up in court. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, he had it. He had it in his possession?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They had it on his backpack in his person. Had it on his back in his purse. No, no. Not one, two. You have to have a backup.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And those things aren’t cheap. I know. I bought my kids them for Thanksgiving or for Halloween, rather. So I do want to back up, though, Joe, because a lot of the things you’re talking about sound pretty crazy, I think, to your average citizen. And but they do track, I think when you think about it with some of the conspiracy theories we’ve heard particularly Q Anon, when you talk about, you know, targeting someone like Pelosi, part of the whole Q Anon belief system is that Democrats are pedophiles and there’s a lot of sort of obsession with, I think, the queer community and LGBT rights. So what, I mean, can you just explain a little bit more about what the defense said, what he said about his own thinking? Because I think, you know, one thing I hope we can do is, I don’t know, maybe take some lessons from all of this about the kind of moment we live in. And is there anything that we heard that could push back against a lot of those conspiracies?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So DePape had a very, I would say, a sad and and hopeful and then sad again tale. He was a homeless man for a long while. But then when, you know, he started hatching his plan against Pelosi, he had found a home. Someone had let him live in their garage. He didn’t have a bathroom. He didn’t have a shower. He didn’t have a bed. He had a futon. We saw pictures of his futon that was slid up against the wall. A neighbor let him shower at her house. But, you know, there wasn’t other support for him. And here he was alone in this garage playing video games all day. And he described on the stand how he became radicalized. He would listen to right wing YouTubers and podcasters spewing all of this hate for hours. He would listen to it all weekend from start to finish, from when he woke up until he went to sleep and that radicalized him. And to the things you’re talking about, the pedophiles, the ideas that Democrats are helping pedophiles or that academics who study sex theory are pushing for molestation, all these crazy ideas. And that’s where he descended. There are groups doing this work. I talked to some folks at a group called Peril, which studies extremists, and there are ways to help people and deprogram them. But they are not easy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, you know, we call them crazy ideas. And, you know, Marisa, you alluded to sort of this moment we’re in in our politics. I mean, just the other day, Donald Trump was in New Hampshire, he called Nancy Pelosi a crazed lunatic. And then he says, what the hell was going on with her husband? Let’s not ask. I mean, this guy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, he said similar things when I saw him speak in Anaheim.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. So he’s like, fueling this stuff. And I have to say, it’s not quite related to the trial, but it’s beyond me. How folks can think that is the kind of mindset you want in the White House.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Honestly, it’s very related to the trial because, and I’ll tell you, because on the witness stand to have talked about how he wanted Nancy Pelosi to admit the lies she had told about Trump with Russiagate — this is the accusation about pornographic tapes with Trump in Russia, and he wanted her to confess to her lies about it. He had her YouTube videos that said that she lied about it. The YouTube videos told him that Trump was innocent and the left wing media was making up lies about Trump. And that is what radicalized — he went into tears was crying on the stand when he thought about the times when he was against Trump until he saw the light.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wow. Well, I’m curious how prosecutors responded to like this sort of novel legal defense that, yes, he did this horrific act, but it was not directly related to Pelosi’s official duties. What how did the you know, federal prosecutors kind of counter that in the courtroom and just talk about the vibe to like during all of this. What was the audience thinking? What were the court officials, you know, what were their faces looking like?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: T\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">lking about vibe? The most shocking moment in this whole trial, I think, and we saw some pretty horrific stuff was when the defense first gave their argument. Because when the defense first gave their argument, they started out by straight up listing DePape’s crazy conspiracy theories with no qualifiers that the Jodi Linker, the federal public defender for the northern district, she starts by saying, Tom Hanks has raped a young girl and such and such a person is a pedophile. They start listing off these crazy things to the point where I think everyone in the room thought, Wow, do you believe this? Did DePape get you to say this? What’s happening here? And then she pivoted and says, Well, these are the crazy things DePape believes. You think they’re crazy. I think they’re crazy. But this case is not a whodunit. It’s a why done it. But the prosecutors, as you noted, as you’re asking about, prosecutors don’t really address that at all. 80% of the case, they never poked a hole in it. They never really went to it. Instead, they hammered home. So sorry, poor choice of words. They really pushed hard on the idea that he planned this meticulously for weeks, that he planned it through paying and purchasing for online services to find the addresses for his targets. And he had a long target list and that he meticulously purchased things that he knew would get him into the home and studied the home to get in. And that must have found purchase with the jury because they eventually came to the verdict they did.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. And they deliberated, I think, about 8 hours. And I don’t know, you know, it was a fairly short trial, so I don’t know if that seems like a lot of time or a little time. But it would have been shocking, though, wouldn’t it, given that all of this was on tape, you know, the hammer attack and him lying in a pool of blood, even though the federal charges kind of you know, as you say, they required intent, proving intent. But it must have been hard for the jurors, I would think, to separate out, you know, what he did versus why.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think this is a testament to how strong the defense’s case was, how strong they presented their case, I should say, because going into it, the experts I talked to said this should be a really open and shut thing. This should be really easy. And those are the ones where prosecutors sometimes fail. Right, Because it seems so easy. The defense really came out with all guns blazing. And I got to tell you, just as a layperson sitting in the gallery, like the prosecutors didn’t seem, it didn’t seem as immediately compelling, you had to think more about it. You had to think a lot more about really worked through the logic of what they were saying. Whereas if you just went off of how you felt in that moment, the defense really was very convincing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What was Paul Pelosi’s testimony like? He did take the stand. And I mean, I don’t know if all of our listeners have watched that horrible video, but he’s been through quite a bit. And it sounds like he, I don’t know, you characterize what it was like.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So he came in and I have to say there was a kind of a hush over the courtroom because we had been hearing all about the horrific things that happened to him. We had seen it from multiple angles. We had seen video that hadn’t been released to the public of him laying in a pool of his own blood and his what they call agonal breathing, which is like the death rattle when you’re trying to get more oxygen to your brain to save your brain. And it was absolutely horrific and frightening. And then here he is finally in person. And he described fear. You know, DePape burst into the room, surprising him as he was asleep on the third floor of his home. He described DePape repeatedly as like a bigger man. And DePape is quite tall, especially compared to Paul Pelosi. And how he had tried to escape. First, he tried to escape to the elevator, which is there’s an elevator door across from their bedroom and he couldn’t make it to kind of shut him off. And then he described how he hatched the plan to call 911 and kind of signal to them surreptitiously that he was in trouble without angering DePape.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he’s very lucky. But it’s really extra showed extraordinary composure on his part to be able to the fact that he’s alive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, my God. Talk about composure. He was so composed and he was so diplomatic with DePape, that DePape on the stand said, I had a good rapport with Paul Pelosi. I think we were getting along. Then the interesting thing about DePape is he’s the kind of person who, if you talk to him for five minutes about something completely innocuous, you would never know that he had a unfortunately twisted mind.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he did apologize, right. To to Paul Pelosi.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He did. He did. He said, you know, Paul Pelosi was never my intended target. He only got in my way of pursuing evil, is what he said.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So former Speaker Nancy Pelosi was not in court. I know one of her daughters, Christine Pelosi, was there supporting her father.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every day. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What has been the reaction from the Pelosi family and what was it like, you know, having them in court, do you think, for all the various players in this?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, the family really focused on Paul. They they you know, they called him Pop in their statement and said that he had incredible composure both that night in order to get himself safe, and on the stand. Which, you know, is very true. You heard him on the stand talk about how he lost his hair and wasn’t able to grow it back for nine months. You saw him on the stand while we looked at a photograph of his skull, depressed in the front from the hammer blow. And and you see all that and you’re watching all that while you know Christine is just behind you in the back row and thinking about what their family must be thinking. It’s quite a harrowing thing for all of them to go through. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. Of course, this was a federal trial with federal charges. There are also pending charges from D.A. San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins. Any sense of where that’s going to go now that we have a guilty verdict?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Absolutely. Jenkins released a statement right away saying, hey, we’re pursuing those charges. We’ve got a pretrial hearing on the 29th of this month where they’re going to set a trial date. And he faces again up to life in prison for these state charges as well.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I guess I’m just curious before we let you go, Joe, like what’s your takeaway from this in terms of, like I mentioned earlier, just the bigger politics here, This was clearly, you know, a horrific event for the Pelosi family, for the city of San Francisco. I don’t know. Do you have any any hope that we can we can have better a better sort of dialog moving forward?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, it’s not lost on me that, you know, a big central part of the case was the radicalization of David DePape, the kind of conspiracy theories around Nancy Pelosi that led to this. And those have not stopped. She she continues to hear them every day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, well, not only her. And, you know, you wonder what impact that there’s been a lot of convictions in the January 6th cases as well. Same kind of radicalization happening. And you don’t, you know, you would hope that it would send a signal to people like, hey, maybe this isn’t the best, you know, route to go. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, and, you know, as they talked about on the stand of Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley was talking a lot about this statute that was tried under the one about federal duty, specifically, this was used in the January 6th insurrection. This was used the same statute for the insurrectionists, and it may need some updating. There’s a lot of debate about the intent of the statute, and it seemed there were some loopholes that may have been possible for the defense to drive through. I mean, we saw a day’s worth of deliberation.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right. Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez, KQED politics reporter, thank you so much for your time on this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you both. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks, Joe.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right. We’re going to take a short break. When we come back, Guy Marzorati is going to join us to talk about all the other news this week. You might have heard there was a conference here in San Francisco. You are listening to Political Breakdown from KQED Public Radio. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome back to Political Breakdown. I’m Marisa Lagos here with Scott Shafer. And Guy Marzorati, our trifecta of politics. Guy, welcome back. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey there. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to the other side of the glass.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Good to be here.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it was a bit of a raucous we here in the Bay Area, ya’ll. We’re taping this Thursday afternoon. Thursday morning, protesters fully shut down the Bay Bridge for hours. Some of them allegedly threw their keys into the bay to, you know, to prevent their cars from moving. We saw a protest most days. President Biden was down at this beautiful estate south of San Francisco, meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Governor was here, vice president. I don’t know. Broad takeaways, guys, what do you think?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well you know, I think it’s not quite over yet, but it seems from San Francisco’s perspective, they got a lot out of it. You know, it looked good on TV.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even the protests. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even the protests and the protests were, you know, they didn’t get out of hand. This wasn’t like the Democrats convention in Chicago. You know, in 1968, it was you know, they got a chance to make their point. The police seemed to\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It did seem a little on the edge yesterday.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was on the edge, yeah, it was on the edge. But I think, you know, in some ways and people will talk about the summit with, you know, Biden and Xi Jinping. But I think in some ways, you know, when you have events like this, what the long term takeaway is more the connections that are made between people, you know, from different parts of the world, whether they’re talking about climate change or trade or whatever, immigration, whatever it might be. And I think those are that’s really the value of conventions generally, those those connections you make.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, going into this, I think given the stakes of the US-China relationship, it seem like there is no way that Biden’s meeting with Xi could be overshadowed by anything. But it almost was. I mean, I think the takeaway for a lot of people living in the Bay Area who may not have been involved in APEC might be the Bay Bridge shutdown and the and the protests over Gaza that were happening there. And even Biden’s press conference yesterday, I think, you know, there was so much focus on on his description of Israeli Israel’s attack on the hospital in Gaza that I think almost that news and that issue itself in some ways overwhelmed what the real purpose of of this convention was and certainly the summit between those two leaders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although you could argue maybe that’s not the worst thing diplomatically. I think that, you know, the relationship between China and the U.S. was so bad going into this. I mean, our military is haven’t even been talking in the last few years. And, you know, I think Biden went in with very clear goals. He wasn’t going to make best friends with Xi. Right. He was going to try to reestablish those relationships, make sure that when something goes wrong, that they can, you know, pick up the phone, you know, and and it was funny, though, I say that they’re not best friends, but he I think he said they met for 68 hours at one point when they were both vice presidents or \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They spent a lot of time together. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So they do know each other. But yeah, I mean, I do think that obviously in general, what is going on in Israel, in Gaza is the sort of biggest news right now. And that is a huge part of this. And to your point, I mean, we heard him, I think very forcefully sort of restate his support for Israel this week, but and allude to this idea that, I mean, he kind of hinted that he thinks they’re making progress on the hostages and he definitely backed up Israeli defense and intelligence over this question of whether there is Hamas operating out of this hospital.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And kind of a split screen moment with Biden’s comments and then the protests we see on the Bay Bridge on something that you’ve been looking into, which is how local congressional delegation here in the Bay Area is responding to this. And it’s an issue in which you do see daylight between our congressional delegation, all kind of all Democrats in this region, daylight between them and the kind of activist wing of the Democratic Party.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And even their staff in some cases. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You talked to Ro Khanna this week.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I did. So I’ll just tease. I have an episode dropping tomorrow on our podcast, The Bay here at KQED. So I looked pretty deeply at where all roughly ten members of the Bay Area delegation, you can, you know, grab some and takes them out depending on where you sort of put that. But nine out of ten of them are not calling for a cease fire, which is exactly what the protesters on the Bay Bridge were asking for. Barbara Lee is the only one who has called for that. And yeah, I had a phone call with Ro Khanna, who had a staff member depart pretty publicly over his refusal to call for a cease fire. And, you know, Khanna was very blunt about the fact that he just doesn’t feel like that that is the right diplomatic move right now. But he also was very, you know, sort of strong on his feeling that there’s no justification, you know, that killing one Hamas fighter cannot justify killing 500 civilians. And he had very kind words actually, for his former staff staffer. He said it was a very civil conversation. It sounds like they both left it respecting each other. This young man just didn’t feel like he could work for Khanna over this issue.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, and I think that these protesters and world leaders, too, who have been talking about this. The U.N., for that matter, they’re making their point. They’re being heard. I mean, there’s no question that the president and secretary of State, Blinken, they’re pivoting, they’re recalibrating their position on this. They’re talking more about Palestinians and a two state solution that must happen. The fact that Israel cannot occupy Gaza after this is all over, Israel has yet to come up with the solid evidence that there was, in fact, a military base under that, you know, hospital. So, you know, I think, you know, to your point about the press conference, Guy, with Xi and Biden, I mean, there are really more questions about Israel and Hamas than there were about the talks that had just happened with the two leaders. And I think in some ways, you know, if you’re the White House, if you’re the presidential campaign, that’s not such a bad thing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s what I’m saying. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, and and I think, too, they’re probably just grateful there were no huge gaffes. You know, and it’s funny because when you when you watch the president, you know, you’re just waiting. He doesn’t have that command that you would hope a president would have. You know, he didn’t make any mistakes. But, you know, you kind of you’re kind of waiting.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is funny because I think we all blame that on Joe Biden’s age. But let’s face it, like that’s been Joe Biden for a long time. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Joe Biden brand.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I agree. I think that in some ways, in these diplomatic, very tense talks, like no news is good news in a weird way, like, no, you know, nothing upsetting the applecart, so to speak.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And also, you know, the kind of news cycles we have now, the two big breakthroughs on fentanyl and reconstituting the military communication between the two countries. Like that came out like a day before, you know so it’s all kind of like old by the time the press conference happened for sure.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I do think I mean the fentanyl thing I think is worth mentioning, given where we’re sitting, that that is a huge issue for the U.S. And I think that, you know, it’s not going to solve it. But but China has a lot of power here to disrupt the flow of these precursor chemicals. And I think that, you know, any opening in that is something that is good from a public health perspective and potentially is going to be good for politically for for Biden. Okay. Before we wrap this show, let’s talk about your exciting weekend ahead, Guy. Heading down to Sacto. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Heading to the Democratic convention, the organizing and endorsing convention of the state Democratic Party. So these are all the, you know, the party faithful, the delegates from all corners of California descending on Sacramento. I kind of, so the big highlight, I think we’ll be hearing from the Democratic Senate candidates who are going to have to address delegates now that there’s not, you know, an imminent government shutdown. This feels like Barbara Lee’s moment. This or to put it another way, this kind of feels like Barbara Lee’s last stand. Right. You know, the issue environment that exists with what’s happening in Gaza, she is is this kind of seems tailor made for really her career and kind of the moral authority that she’s held on on foreign policy issues dating back to her historic vote, being the only member of Congress to vote against the authorization of force for Afghanistan. It kind of feels like, you know, she needs to draw the contrast, certainly with Adam Schiff, also with Katie Porter to some extent, and really make herself the candidate for, you know, the people that are in the streets protesting right now, you know, pushing for a cease fire, which, as you said, she’s been the only member of Congress here in the Bay Area.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But she\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">hasn’t been out there pushing\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She hasn’t been out there. And, you know, even, you know, the super PAC that’s supporting her, they put out a million dollar ad buy. I think they’re feeling that pressure right now, like we need to, you know, really up her in the polls before it gets too late. And even that it relied a lot on her really incredible life story, but it didn’t draw that really sharp contrast that I think she needs to be drawn at this moment.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think the most important thing that any of the Senate candidates could get would be an endorsement from the party. But that seems completely out of reach. You need a 60% vote. So Barbara Lee is not going to get that, even though this, you know, this party is to the left, even of the, you know, the base of the Democratic Party in a lot of ways in California, we’ve said before they didn’t endorse Dianne Feinstein, you know, six years ago or five years ago when she was running against Kevin de Leon. But what else is happening, Guy? Because, you know, there will be an endorsement, but there’s also some talk about Rusty Hicks, the party chair, and what’s going to happen with him. He may run for the state assembly.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. He’s now moved up to the north coast. So he’s in this second assembly district that Jim Wood, who is, you know, held for a number of years, says he’s not going to be running again in 2024. So that’s created a lot of speculation. Well, maybe Rusty Hicks is going to leave the party chair and run for this assembly seat. There’s going to be a lot of, you know, endorsement fights, I think, happening in districts even here in the Bay Area, state Senate districts in which we have multiple Democrats running. Again, this endorsement thing, basically there’s a pre-convention process that happens if you get within a certain threshold that then goes to the convention. So you’re going to see some districts where literally the party endorsement is at stake this weekend. And I think it means a lot in a thing in an assembly race or in the Senate race, especially with the timeline that we’re talking about here before the March primary. Voters just aren’t going to have a lot of information to work with. Voting starts at the beginning of February. We are, you know, literally getting within months of that. And so for in a lot of these races that Democratic Party endorsement means a lot. And that’s why it’s going to be, you know, a lot of fighting happening on the floor in Sacramento this weekend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m interested to hear afterward like how much some of these looming ballot measure fights could also play here. I know I have already talked to some consultants who are working against big oil to defend the setbacks that the legislature passed, you know, requiring oil and gas operations to be a certain distance from schools and homes and things like that. There’s this huge fight looming over this business roundtable measure we’ve talked about before that would essentially cut off local governments and the state government at the knees around tax increases.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or even an issue like rent control that divided the Democratic Party in each of the last few times it’s been on the state ballot. Again, as Scott alluded to, this base of delegates is to the left of the electorate, the Democratic electorate. And so you have seen the party support these efforts for rent control in the past, even when leading Democrats in the state, like the governor have not backed it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But that one’s more complicated anyway because of who’s sponsoring it, the AID’s health care foundation, there’s a big take out today in the L.A. Times looking at the that organization and Michael Weinstein, who leads it and the sort of horrific conditions at some of their low income housing and the evictions that they have undertaken. So that ones like that, there’s a lot going on with that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, well, and coming back to the Middle East, too, I mean, Palestine, Hamas, Israel, I mean, I’m imagining that’s going to be a big topic. Protests and, you know, topic of conversation. You know, depending on what Rusty Hicks does, there could also be a fight for party chair. We’ve seen that be pretty heated in the past between him and Kimberly Ellis a few years ago. Any sense of you know, that? I mean, let’s just face it, we care about that and maybe five other people.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not a big —\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The timing would be would be interesting, though, right, to to make this move for the assembly now —\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As we head into 2024.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As we head right into this election in 2024, when really like the organizing of the party does need to be on point, especially in these kind of swing districts where you need that kind of grassroots structure, infrastructure.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, you wonder if people might just want him to stay there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. Less than a minute left, guys. But we got to mention the fact that Kevin McCarthy got accused of — \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kidney punch\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kidney punching another member of Congress\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">An NPR reporter was there and witnessed it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> We had the Draymond head lock. We had the Kevin McCarthy elbow. People need to — \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My kids are wrestling\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He didn’t get suspended, though. Unlike Draymond\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It feels like things are going a little off the rails in Congress, ya’ll.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, absolutely. And there was also kind of also a confrontation in the Senate between two Republican senators you know this \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And a Republican senator threatening a union boss, both of them saying they’re going to fight. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Calm down, deep breath. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back to the top of the show, yeah, everybody deep breath, it’s politics not MMA. All right, we’ll keep an eye on that. You know, McCarthy, there’s a thought he may not run again, so we’ll have to see.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Gotta right wing challenger. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right. Thanks, Guy. Thanks so much for coming in. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My pleasure. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Have fun in Sacramento weekend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That is going to do it for this edition of Political Breakdown. We are a production of KQED Public Radio.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our engineer today is Jim Bennett, our producers Guy Marzorati and Izzy Bloom. I’m Scott Shafer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m Marisa Lagos. Happy Thanksgiving. We will have a show on Thanksgiving. So hope to see you then. If not, have a great week.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bye bye.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-content post-body\">\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey, everyone. From KQED Public Radio, this is Political Breakdown. And I’m Marisa Largo.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m Scott Shafer. Today on The Breakdown, a guilty verdict in the case of the man who attacked Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul, after breaking into their San Francisco home last year.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our very own Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez is here to update us on the conviction of David DePape and fill us in on the details of that trial, which he’s been in court for for the past couple of weeks. We will also chat with Guy Marzorati about his exciting weekend plans. He’s heading up to Sacramento for the state Democratic Convention. Thanks, Guy. But first, Joe, welcome back. Thank you for being here.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for having me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey Joe. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So under the wire, made it back in time for this taping. And, you know, we should say this guilty verdict came out today very shortly after the prosecutors had rested their case. Explain what he’s been convicted of exactly.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, sure. So it’s not as straightforward as you would expect as an attack with a hammer would be. These specific federal charges rely on Pelosi as a federal officer. It’s attacking the family member of a federal officer — assault, I should say — and attempted kidnapping of a federal officer in retaliation for her duties. So that makes this a lot different than what folks might expect.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And we saw DePape did take the stand in his own defense earlier in the week. I mean, did he talk about his intent? I mean, it was kind of surprising to some that that he actually, you know, was there to sort of help himself, but he didn’t really say anything that would seem to help him.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I you know, it’s it’s an interesting choice because it really isn’t common to see the accused up there on the witness stand, right? But again, it has to do with these very specific charges. What the defense really was trying to get at is, why did he target Pelosi? What was his reason for going after Pelosi? In the defense’s arguments, they essentially were trying to say, well, if it was not because of her federal duties, like because she took a vote that they didn’t, that he didn’t like, or because she took funding away from a program that he didn’t like, if it wasn’t related to that and it was something outside of that, then actually this federal statute, this very particular and unique federal statute should not apply. So they got him up there and he’s telling way more details than we had heard before. He had an inflatable unicorn costume that he wanted to wear on video while breaking the speaker’s kneecaps and then potentially wheeling her out in the Congress. How he gets from her home to Congress, I can’t tell you. But what I will tell you is that was part of his plan. And then to lure someone that the court called Target One, who is an academic in queer theory to Pelosi’s home. That was the fascinating part. Pelosi wasn’t even his main target. His main target was this academic who he accused, quite erroneously, completely ridiculous of being a pedophile.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m still stuck on inflatable unicorn. Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They held it up in court. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, he had it. He had it in his possession?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They had it on his backpack in his person. Had it on his back in his purse. No, no. Not one, two. You have to have a backup.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And those things aren’t cheap. I know. I bought my kids them for Thanksgiving or for Halloween, rather. So I do want to back up, though, Joe, because a lot of the things you’re talking about sound pretty crazy, I think, to your average citizen. And but they do track, I think when you think about it with some of the conspiracy theories we’ve heard particularly Q Anon, when you talk about, you know, targeting someone like Pelosi, part of the whole Q Anon belief system is that Democrats are pedophiles and there’s a lot of sort of obsession with, I think, the queer community and LGBT rights. So what, I mean, can you just explain a little bit more about what the defense said, what he said about his own thinking? Because I think, you know, one thing I hope we can do is, I don’t know, maybe take some lessons from all of this about the kind of moment we live in. And is there anything that we heard that could push back against a lot of those conspiracies?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So DePape had a very, I would say, a sad and and hopeful and then sad again tale. He was a homeless man for a long while. But then when, you know, he started hatching his plan against Pelosi, he had found a home. Someone had let him live in their garage. He didn’t have a bathroom. He didn’t have a shower. He didn’t have a bed. He had a futon. We saw pictures of his futon that was slid up against the wall. A neighbor let him shower at her house. But, you know, there wasn’t other support for him. And here he was alone in this garage playing video games all day. And he described on the stand how he became radicalized. He would listen to right wing YouTubers and podcasters spewing all of this hate for hours. He would listen to it all weekend from start to finish, from when he woke up until he went to sleep and that radicalized him. And to the things you’re talking about, the pedophiles, the ideas that Democrats are helping pedophiles or that academics who study sex theory are pushing for molestation, all these crazy ideas. And that’s where he descended. There are groups doing this work. I talked to some folks at a group called Peril, which studies extremists, and there are ways to help people and deprogram them. But they are not easy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, you know, we call them crazy ideas. And, you know, Marisa, you alluded to sort of this moment we’re in in our politics. I mean, just the other day, Donald Trump was in New Hampshire, he called Nancy Pelosi a crazed lunatic. And then he says, what the hell was going on with her husband? Let’s not ask. I mean, this guy.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, he said similar things when I saw him speak in Anaheim.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. So he’s like, fueling this stuff. And I have to say, it’s not quite related to the trial, but it’s beyond me. How folks can think that is the kind of mindset you want in the White House.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Honestly, it’s very related to the trial because, and I’ll tell you, because on the witness stand to have talked about how he wanted Nancy Pelosi to admit the lies she had told about Trump with Russiagate — this is the accusation about pornographic tapes with Trump in Russia, and he wanted her to confess to her lies about it. He had her YouTube videos that said that she lied about it. The YouTube videos told him that Trump was innocent and the left wing media was making up lies about Trump. And that is what radicalized — he went into tears was crying on the stand when he thought about the times when he was against Trump until he saw the light.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wow. Well, I’m curious how prosecutors responded to like this sort of novel legal defense that, yes, he did this horrific act, but it was not directly related to Pelosi’s official duties. What how did the you know, federal prosecutors kind of counter that in the courtroom and just talk about the vibe to like during all of this. What was the audience thinking? What were the court officials, you know, what were their faces looking like?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: T\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">lking about vibe? The most shocking moment in this whole trial, I think, and we saw some pretty horrific stuff was when the defense first gave their argument. Because when the defense first gave their argument, they started out by straight up listing DePape’s crazy conspiracy theories with no qualifiers that the Jodi Linker, the federal public defender for the northern district, she starts by saying, Tom Hanks has raped a young girl and such and such a person is a pedophile. They start listing off these crazy things to the point where I think everyone in the room thought, Wow, do you believe this? Did DePape get you to say this? What’s happening here? And then she pivoted and says, Well, these are the crazy things DePape believes. You think they’re crazy. I think they’re crazy. But this case is not a whodunit. It’s a why done it. But the prosecutors, as you noted, as you’re asking about, prosecutors don’t really address that at all. 80% of the case, they never poked a hole in it. They never really went to it. Instead, they hammered home. So sorry, poor choice of words. They really pushed hard on the idea that he planned this meticulously for weeks, that he planned it through paying and purchasing for online services to find the addresses for his targets. And he had a long target list and that he meticulously purchased things that he knew would get him into the home and studied the home to get in. And that must have found purchase with the jury because they eventually came to the verdict they did.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. And they deliberated, I think, about 8 hours. And I don’t know, you know, it was a fairly short trial, so I don’t know if that seems like a lot of time or a little time. But it would have been shocking, though, wouldn’t it, given that all of this was on tape, you know, the hammer attack and him lying in a pool of blood, even though the federal charges kind of you know, as you say, they required intent, proving intent. But it must have been hard for the jurors, I would think, to separate out, you know, what he did versus why.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think this is a testament to how strong the defense’s case was, how strong they presented their case, I should say, because going into it, the experts I talked to said this should be a really open and shut thing. This should be really easy. And those are the ones where prosecutors sometimes fail. Right, Because it seems so easy. The defense really came out with all guns blazing. And I got to tell you, just as a layperson sitting in the gallery, like the prosecutors didn’t seem, it didn’t seem as immediately compelling, you had to think more about it. You had to think a lot more about really worked through the logic of what they were saying. Whereas if you just went off of how you felt in that moment, the defense really was very convincing.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What was Paul Pelosi’s testimony like? He did take the stand. And I mean, I don’t know if all of our listeners have watched that horrible video, but he’s been through quite a bit. And it sounds like he, I don’t know, you characterize what it was like.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So he came in and I have to say there was a kind of a hush over the courtroom because we had been hearing all about the horrific things that happened to him. We had seen it from multiple angles. We had seen video that hadn’t been released to the public of him laying in a pool of his own blood and his what they call agonal breathing, which is like the death rattle when you’re trying to get more oxygen to your brain to save your brain. And it was absolutely horrific and frightening. And then here he is finally in person. And he described fear. You know, DePape burst into the room, surprising him as he was asleep on the third floor of his home. He described DePape repeatedly as like a bigger man. And DePape is quite tall, especially compared to Paul Pelosi. And how he had tried to escape. First, he tried to escape to the elevator, which is there’s an elevator door across from their bedroom and he couldn’t make it to kind of shut him off. And then he described how he hatched the plan to call 911 and kind of signal to them surreptitiously that he was in trouble without angering DePape.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he’s very lucky. But it’s really extra showed extraordinary composure on his part to be able to the fact that he’s alive.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, my God. Talk about composure. He was so composed and he was so diplomatic with DePape, that DePape on the stand said, I had a good rapport with Paul Pelosi. I think we were getting along. Then the interesting thing about DePape is he’s the kind of person who, if you talk to him for five minutes about something completely innocuous, you would never know that he had a unfortunately twisted mind.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And he did apologize, right. To to Paul Pelosi.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He did. He did. He said, you know, Paul Pelosi was never my intended target. He only got in my way of pursuing evil, is what he said.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So former Speaker Nancy Pelosi was not in court. I know one of her daughters, Christine Pelosi, was there supporting her father.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every day. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What has been the reaction from the Pelosi family and what was it like, you know, having them in court, do you think, for all the various players in this?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, the family really focused on Paul. They they you know, they called him Pop in their statement and said that he had incredible composure both that night in order to get himself safe, and on the stand. Which, you know, is very true. You heard him on the stand talk about how he lost his hair and wasn’t able to grow it back for nine months. You saw him on the stand while we looked at a photograph of his skull, depressed in the front from the hammer blow. And and you see all that and you’re watching all that while you know Christine is just behind you in the back row and thinking about what their family must be thinking. It’s quite a harrowing thing for all of them to go through. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. Of course, this was a federal trial with federal charges. There are also pending charges from D.A. San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins. Any sense of where that’s going to go now that we have a guilty verdict?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Absolutely. Jenkins released a statement right away saying, hey, we’re pursuing those charges. We’ve got a pretrial hearing on the 29th of this month where they’re going to set a trial date. And he faces again up to life in prison for these state charges as well.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I guess I’m just curious before we let you go, Joe, like what’s your takeaway from this in terms of, like I mentioned earlier, just the bigger politics here, This was clearly, you know, a horrific event for the Pelosi family, for the city of San Francisco. I don’t know. Do you have any any hope that we can we can have better a better sort of dialog moving forward?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, it’s not lost on me that, you know, a big central part of the case was the radicalization of David DePape, the kind of conspiracy theories around Nancy Pelosi that led to this. And those have not stopped. She she continues to hear them every day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, well, not only her. And, you know, you wonder what impact that there’s been a lot of convictions in the January 6th cases as well. Same kind of radicalization happening. And you don’t, you know, you would hope that it would send a signal to people like, hey, maybe this isn’t the best, you know, route to go. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, and, you know, as they talked about on the stand of Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley was talking a lot about this statute that was tried under the one about federal duty, specifically, this was used in the January 6th insurrection. This was used the same statute for the insurrectionists, and it may need some updating. There’s a lot of debate about the intent of the statute, and it seemed there were some loopholes that may have been possible for the defense to drive through. I mean, we saw a day’s worth of deliberation.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right. Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez, KQED politics reporter, thank you so much for your time on this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you both. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks, Joe.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right. We’re going to take a short break. When we come back, Guy Marzorati is going to join us to talk about all the other news this week. You might have heard there was a conference here in San Francisco. You are listening to Political Breakdown from KQED Public Radio. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome back to Political Breakdown. I’m Marisa Lagos here with Scott Shafer. And Guy Marzorati, our trifecta of politics. Guy, welcome back. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey there. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to the other side of the glass.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Good to be here.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it was a bit of a raucous we here in the Bay Area, ya’ll. We’re taping this Thursday afternoon. Thursday morning, protesters fully shut down the Bay Bridge for hours. Some of them allegedly threw their keys into the bay to, you know, to prevent their cars from moving. We saw a protest most days. President Biden was down at this beautiful estate south of San Francisco, meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Governor was here, vice president. I don’t know. Broad takeaways, guys, what do you think?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well you know, I think it’s not quite over yet, but it seems from San Francisco’s perspective, they got a lot out of it. You know, it looked good on TV.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even the protests. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even the protests and the protests were, you know, they didn’t get out of hand. This wasn’t like the Democrats convention in Chicago. You know, in 1968, it was you know, they got a chance to make their point. The police seemed to\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It did seem a little on the edge yesterday.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was on the edge, yeah, it was on the edge. But I think, you know, in some ways and people will talk about the summit with, you know, Biden and Xi Jinping. But I think in some ways, you know, when you have events like this, what the long term takeaway is more the connections that are made between people, you know, from different parts of the world, whether they’re talking about climate change or trade or whatever, immigration, whatever it might be. And I think those are that’s really the value of conventions generally, those those connections you make.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, going into this, I think given the stakes of the US-China relationship, it seem like there is no way that Biden’s meeting with Xi could be overshadowed by anything. But it almost was. I mean, I think the takeaway for a lot of people living in the Bay Area who may not have been involved in APEC might be the Bay Bridge shutdown and the and the protests over Gaza that were happening there. And even Biden’s press conference yesterday, I think, you know, there was so much focus on on his description of Israeli Israel’s attack on the hospital in Gaza that I think almost that news and that issue itself in some ways overwhelmed what the real purpose of of this convention was and certainly the summit between those two leaders.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although you could argue maybe that’s not the worst thing diplomatically. I think that, you know, the relationship between China and the U.S. was so bad going into this. I mean, our military is haven’t even been talking in the last few years. And, you know, I think Biden went in with very clear goals. He wasn’t going to make best friends with Xi. Right. He was going to try to reestablish those relationships, make sure that when something goes wrong, that they can, you know, pick up the phone, you know, and and it was funny, though, I say that they’re not best friends, but he I think he said they met for 68 hours at one point when they were both vice presidents or \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They spent a lot of time together. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So they do know each other. But yeah, I mean, I do think that obviously in general, what is going on in Israel, in Gaza is the sort of biggest news right now. And that is a huge part of this. And to your point, I mean, we heard him, I think very forcefully sort of restate his support for Israel this week, but and allude to this idea that, I mean, he kind of hinted that he thinks they’re making progress on the hostages and he definitely backed up Israeli defense and intelligence over this question of whether there is Hamas operating out of this hospital.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And kind of a split screen moment with Biden’s comments and then the protests we see on the Bay Bridge on something that you’ve been looking into, which is how local congressional delegation here in the Bay Area is responding to this. And it’s an issue in which you do see daylight between our congressional delegation, all kind of all Democrats in this region, daylight between them and the kind of activist wing of the Democratic Party.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And even their staff in some cases. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You talked to Ro Khanna this week.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I did. So I’ll just tease. I have an episode dropping tomorrow on our podcast, The Bay here at KQED. So I looked pretty deeply at where all roughly ten members of the Bay Area delegation, you can, you know, grab some and takes them out depending on where you sort of put that. But nine out of ten of them are not calling for a cease fire, which is exactly what the protesters on the Bay Bridge were asking for. Barbara Lee is the only one who has called for that. And yeah, I had a phone call with Ro Khanna, who had a staff member depart pretty publicly over his refusal to call for a cease fire. And, you know, Khanna was very blunt about the fact that he just doesn’t feel like that that is the right diplomatic move right now. But he also was very, you know, sort of strong on his feeling that there’s no justification, you know, that killing one Hamas fighter cannot justify killing 500 civilians. And he had very kind words actually, for his former staff staffer. He said it was a very civil conversation. It sounds like they both left it respecting each other. This young man just didn’t feel like he could work for Khanna over this issue.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, and I think that these protesters and world leaders, too, who have been talking about this. The U.N., for that matter, they’re making their point. They’re being heard. I mean, there’s no question that the president and secretary of State, Blinken, they’re pivoting, they’re recalibrating their position on this. They’re talking more about Palestinians and a two state solution that must happen. The fact that Israel cannot occupy Gaza after this is all over, Israel has yet to come up with the solid evidence that there was, in fact, a military base under that, you know, hospital. 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And I think that, you know, any opening in that is something that is good from a public health perspective and potentially is going to be good for politically for for Biden. Okay. Before we wrap this show, let’s talk about your exciting weekend ahead, Guy. Heading down to Sacto. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Heading to the Democratic convention, the organizing and endorsing convention of the state Democratic Party. So these are all the, you know, the party faithful, the delegates from all corners of California descending on Sacramento. I kind of, so the big highlight, I think we’ll be hearing from the Democratic Senate candidates who are going to have to address delegates now that there’s not, you know, an imminent government shutdown. This feels like Barbara Lee’s moment. This or to put it another way, this kind of feels like Barbara Lee’s last stand. Right. You know, the issue environment that exists with what’s happening in Gaza, she is is this kind of seems tailor made for really her career and kind of the moral authority that she’s held on on foreign policy issues dating back to her historic vote, being the only member of Congress to vote against the authorization of force for Afghanistan. It kind of feels like, you know, she needs to draw the contrast, certainly with Adam Schiff, also with Katie Porter to some extent, and really make herself the candidate for, you know, the people that are in the streets protesting right now, you know, pushing for a cease fire, which, as you said, she’s been the only member of Congress here in the Bay Area.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But she\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">hasn’t been out there pushing\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She hasn’t been out there. And, you know, even, you know, the super PAC that’s supporting her, they put out a million dollar ad buy. I think they’re feeling that pressure right now, like we need to, you know, really up her in the polls before it gets too late. And even that it relied a lot on her really incredible life story, but it didn’t draw that really sharp contrast that I think she needs to be drawn at this moment.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think the most important thing that any of the Senate candidates could get would be an endorsement from the party. But that seems completely out of reach. You need a 60% vote. So Barbara Lee is not going to get that, even though this, you know, this party is to the left, even of the, you know, the base of the Democratic Party in a lot of ways in California, we’ve said before they didn’t endorse Dianne Feinstein, you know, six years ago or five years ago when she was running against Kevin de Leon. But what else is happening, Guy? Because, you know, there will be an endorsement, but there’s also some talk about Rusty Hicks, the party chair, and what’s going to happen with him. He may run for the state assembly.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. He’s now moved up to the north coast. So he’s in this second assembly district that Jim Wood, who is, you know, held for a number of years, says he’s not going to be running again in 2024. So that’s created a lot of speculation. Well, maybe Rusty Hicks is going to leave the party chair and run for this assembly seat. There’s going to be a lot of, you know, endorsement fights, I think, happening in districts even here in the Bay Area, state Senate districts in which we have multiple Democrats running. Again, this endorsement thing, basically there’s a pre-convention process that happens if you get within a certain threshold that then goes to the convention. So you’re going to see some districts where literally the party endorsement is at stake this weekend. And I think it means a lot in a thing in an assembly race or in the Senate race, especially with the timeline that we’re talking about here before the March primary. Voters just aren’t going to have a lot of information to work with. Voting starts at the beginning of February. We are, you know, literally getting within months of that. And so for in a lot of these races that Democratic Party endorsement means a lot. And that’s why it’s going to be, you know, a lot of fighting happening on the floor in Sacramento this weekend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m interested to hear afterward like how much some of these looming ballot measure fights could also play here. I know I have already talked to some consultants who are working against big oil to defend the setbacks that the legislature passed, you know, requiring oil and gas operations to be a certain distance from schools and homes and things like that. There’s this huge fight looming over this business roundtable measure we’ve talked about before that would essentially cut off local governments and the state government at the knees around tax increases.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or even an issue like rent control that divided the Democratic Party in each of the last few times it’s been on the state ballot. Again, as Scott alluded to, this base of delegates is to the left of the electorate, the Democratic electorate. And so you have seen the party support these efforts for rent control in the past, even when leading Democrats in the state, like the governor have not backed it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But that one’s more complicated anyway because of who’s sponsoring it, the AID’s health care foundation, there’s a big take out today in the L.A. Times looking at the that organization and Michael Weinstein, who leads it and the sort of horrific conditions at some of their low income housing and the evictions that they have undertaken. So that ones like that, there’s a lot going on with that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, well, and coming back to the Middle East, too, I mean, Palestine, Hamas, Israel, I mean, I’m imagining that’s going to be a big topic. Protests and, you know, topic of conversation. You know, depending on what Rusty Hicks does, there could also be a fight for party chair. We’ve seen that be pretty heated in the past between him and Kimberly Ellis a few years ago. Any sense of you know, that? I mean, let’s just face it, we care about that and maybe five other people.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not a big —\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The timing would be would be interesting, though, right, to to make this move for the assembly now —\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As we head into 2024.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As we head right into this election in 2024, when really like the organizing of the party does need to be on point, especially in these kind of swing districts where you need that kind of grassroots structure, infrastructure.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, you wonder if people might just want him to stay there.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. Less than a minute left, guys. But we got to mention the fact that Kevin McCarthy got accused of — \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kidney punch\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kidney punching another member of Congress\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">An NPR reporter was there and witnessed it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> We had the Draymond head lock. We had the Kevin McCarthy elbow. People need to — \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My kids are wrestling\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He didn’t get suspended, though. Unlike Draymond\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It feels like things are going a little off the rails in Congress, ya’ll.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, absolutely. And there was also kind of also a confrontation in the Senate between two Republican senators you know this \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And a Republican senator threatening a union boss, both of them saying they’re going to fight. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Calm down, deep breath. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back to the top of the show, yeah, everybody deep breath, it’s politics not MMA. All right, we’ll keep an eye on that. You know, McCarthy, there’s a thought he may not run again, so we’ll have to see.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Gotta right wing challenger. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right. Thanks, Guy. Thanks so much for coming in. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Guy Marzorati: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My pleasure. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Have fun in Sacramento weekend.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That is going to do it for this edition of Political Breakdown. We are a production of KQED Public Radio.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our engineer today is Jim Bennett, our producers Guy Marzorati and Izzy Bloom. I’m Scott Shafer.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Marisa Lagos: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m Marisa Lagos. Happy Thanksgiving. We will have a show on Thanksgiving. So hope to see you then. If not, have a great week.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Scott Shafer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bye bye.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>"
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"content": "\u003cp>A jury found David DePape guilty Thursday morning of federal charges involving his attempt to kidnap former U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his brutal assault on her husband with a hammer last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The jury’s unanimous verdict was returned after roughly eight hours of deliberations following a whirlwind four-day trial in San Francisco. DePape, 43, was specifically found guilty of attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assaulting a federal official’s family member.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This verdict sends a clear message, regardless of what your beliefs are, what you cannot do is physically attack a member of Congress or their immediate family for the performance of their job,” U.S. Attorney Ismail Ramsey said during a brief press conference Thursday afternoon. Ramsey went on to thank the jury and wish Paul Pelosi a full recovery.[aside label=\"More DePape trial coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]“Speaker Pelosi and her family are deeply grateful for the outpouring of prayers and warm wishes for Mr. Pelosi from so many across the country during this difficult time,” a spokesperson for Nancy Pelosi said in a written statement released shortly after the jury read its verdict. “The Pelosi family is very proud of their Pop, who demonstrated extraordinary composure and courage on the night of the attack a year ago and in the courtroom this week.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966865/defense-focuses-on-conspiracy-theories-in-first-day-of-trial-over-attempted-nancy-pelosi-kidnapping\">DePape’s defense\u003c/a> was a mystery leading into the trial, in part because of overwhelming evidence against him, captured on video and audio recordings that had already reached the public. He also admitted his plans to kidnap Nancy Pelosi to a San Francisco police lieutenant shortly after his arrest. He later called a KTVU reporter from jail and apologized for failing in his plans and “not getting more” of his targets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And perhaps most blatantly, video footage shows DePape savagely attacking Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, in the head with a hammer at least three times in front of two San Francisco police officers, shortly after the officers arrived at the Pelosi’s San Francisco home in the early morning hours of Oct. 28, 2022. The officers’ body cameras recorded the assault, after which they immediately tackled DePape and arrested him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense strategy, led by Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker, quickly emerged as the trial unfolded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker and her defense team argued that \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument\">federal charges were inappropriate\u003c/a> because those charges required DePape to have been motivated by Pelosi’s “official duties” in Congress. DePape said on the witness stand that he was instead motivated by extremist conspiracy theories that also led him to target Tom Hanks, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, and gender theory academic Gayle Rubin, among other well-known figures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967737\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of two women standing up and consoling a large man who is seated, as a judge and court reporter sit in the background. \" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967737\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-800x450.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1020x574.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-160x90.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1536x864.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal public defenders Angela Chuang (left) and Jodi Linker console defendant David DePape (seated) after hearing the jury’s guilty verdict in a San Francisco courtroom on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967180/tremendous-shock-paul-pelosi-testifies-in-trial-of-his-attacker-david-depape\">who testified on Monday\u003c/a>, described the “tremendous shock” of being awoken in his third-floor bedroom by a “very large man with a hammer in one hand and some [zip] ties in the other” who demanded, “Where’s Nancy?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Paul Pelosi told DePape that his wife was in Washington, D.C., and wouldn’t be home for several days, DePape said he would “tie me up and wait for her,” Pelosi testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi told the court about the cryptic 911 call he made while DePape watched. And he described how he convinced DePape to move to the first floor, hoping police would arrive there soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the witness stand on Tuesday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi\">DePape revealed never-before-heard details of his plan\u003c/a>, including his intention to wear an inflatable unicorn costume while interrogating Nancy Pelosi on video about “Russiagate,” a conspiracy theory about purported pornographic tapes of President Donald Trump. DePape testified that if she had lied during his planned interrogation, he would have broken her kneecaps and wheeled her before Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape intended to force his various targets to confess their crimes and then “unify” the country by forgiving them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct,” DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The sentencing phase of the case will come next, with an initial hearing set for Dec. 13.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape also still faces state charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary, false imprisonment and threatening the life or serious bodily harm to a public official, which collectively could carry a sentence of life in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n",
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He later called a KTVU reporter from jail and apologized for failing in his plans and “not getting more” of his targets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And perhaps most blatantly, video footage shows DePape savagely attacking Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, in the head with a hammer at least three times in front of two San Francisco police officers, shortly after the officers arrived at the Pelosi’s San Francisco home in the early morning hours of Oct. 28, 2022. The officers’ body cameras recorded the assault, after which they immediately tackled DePape and arrested him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense strategy, led by Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker, quickly emerged as the trial unfolded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker and her defense team argued that \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967427/depapes-motivation-for-trying-to-kidnap-nancy-pelosi-is-key-defense-says-in-closing-argument\">federal charges were inappropriate\u003c/a> because those charges required DePape to have been motivated by Pelosi’s “official duties” in Congress. DePape said on the witness stand that he was instead motivated by extremist conspiracy theories that also led him to target Tom Hanks, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, and gender theory academic Gayle Rubin, among other well-known figures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967737\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of two women standing up and consoling a large man who is seated, as a judge and court reporter sit in the background. \" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967737\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console.jpeg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-800x450.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1020x574.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-160x90.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/console-1536x864.jpeg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal public defenders Angela Chuang (left) and Jodi Linker console defendant David DePape (seated) after hearing the jury’s guilty verdict in a San Francisco courtroom on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967180/tremendous-shock-paul-pelosi-testifies-in-trial-of-his-attacker-david-depape\">who testified on Monday\u003c/a>, described the “tremendous shock” of being awoken in his third-floor bedroom by a “very large man with a hammer in one hand and some [zip] ties in the other” who demanded, “Where’s Nancy?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Paul Pelosi told DePape that his wife was in Washington, D.C., and wouldn’t be home for several days, DePape said he would “tie me up and wait for her,” Pelosi testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi told the court about the cryptic 911 call he made while DePape watched. And he described how he convinced DePape to move to the first floor, hoping police would arrive there soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the witness stand on Tuesday, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967247/david-depape-on-witness-stand-details-grand-plan-to-violently-interrogate-nancy-pelosi\">DePape revealed never-before-heard details of his plan\u003c/a>, including his intention to wear an inflatable unicorn costume while interrogating Nancy Pelosi on video about “Russiagate,” a conspiracy theory about purported pornographic tapes of President Donald Trump. DePape testified that if she had lied during his planned interrogation, he would have broken her kneecaps and wheeled her before Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Federal prosecutors and defense attorneys made closing arguments Wednesday in the trial of David DePape, the man facing life in prison for attempting to kidnap former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulting her husband, Paul Pelosi, last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The jury began deliberating late Wednesday morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The four-day trial in a San Francisco courtroom focused on DePape’s failed plan to kidnap Nancy Pelosi by breaking into her San Francisco home early in the morning on Oct. 28, 2022. He found the former speaker of the House was not home, which he said was not part of his plan. He held Paul Pelosi hostage until police officers arrived, then bludgeoned him in the head with a hammer in front of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was not a very well-thought-out plan,” DePape’s attorney, Assistant Federal Public Defender Angela Chuang, told the jury in her closing argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense attorneys do not dispute that he hit Paul Pelosi with a hammer or that he planned to capture Nancy Pelosi. Rather, the defense argued that he was motivated by outlandish conspiracy theories, not Pelosi’s official position at the time as House speaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a key distinction in considering both federal charges against DePape, which require that the suspect had the “intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere” with a federal official’s duties or “on account of” those duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That strategy echoes ones used by attorneys defending Jan. 6, 2021 insurrectionists earlier this year, including arguments that focused on defendants’ conspiratorial leanings and portrayed them as unaware of the “official duties” of their targets. Those tactics have \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/15/paul-pelosi-jan-6-riot-00127267\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/15/paul-pelosi-jan-6-riot-00127267\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">reportedly largely been unsuccessful\u003c/a>, although at least one Jan. 6 defendant \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/judge-finds-jan-6-defendant-who-breached-senate-chamber-not-guilty-of-obstruction-00077971\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/13/judge-finds-jan-6-defendant-who-breached-senate-chamber-not-guilty-of-obstruction-00077971\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">did face lesser charges\u003c/a> after making such an argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11967451\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11967451\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg\" alt=\"A watercolor sketch of a woman standing at a lectern in a courtroom, speaking to a faceless jury, with a judge observing.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/closing-arguments-2-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Displaying a photo of Paul Pelosi lying in a pool of his own blood, Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert delivers the prosecution’s closing argument to the jury in the case against David DePape on Wednesday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The ‘why’ matters here,” Chuang said. “This case isn’t about whether they proved beyond a reasonable doubt if Mr. DePape went to the Pelosi’s home that night and hit Mr. Pelosi on the head with a hammer. Of course, he did.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Throughout the case — including during DePape’s testimony on Tuesday — the defense attempted to demonstrate that he targeted Nancy Pelosi for her politics, not for her congressional duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But during the prosecution’s closing argument, Assistant U.S. Attorney Helen Gilbert dismissed that argument as a “made-up distinction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors spent much of the trial breaking down the savage hammer attack that, in real-time, lasted only moments. Police witnesses, photographs, slow-motion video, and testimony from Paul Pelosi himself highlighted the brazenness of DePape’s entry into the Pelosi home, in which he struck a glass door with his hammer more than a dozen times, and emphasized the shocking way in which he ultimately wielded that hammer to fracture Paul Pelosi’s skull.[aside label=\"More DePape trial coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]The images of Paul Pelosi’s injuries were particularly horrific. The front half of his skull appeared flattened in one photo, and in another, his face and hands were bathed in blood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Chuang, the federal defender, on Wednesday, urged the jury not to be distracted by those images.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was awful and horrible,” she said, but “the government wants you to be so appalled by what happened that you will be swayed on this case. They want you to be so moved by the blood and the violence, and you won’t think about the charges.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shocking the jurors, however, wasn’t the prosecution’s only strategy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors also highlighted DePape’s “grand plan,” as he called it, in great detail. The jury saw photographs of the small Richmond garage he called home, summaries of the research he conducted into accessing the Pelosi residence and the homes of other targets in his web history, a catalog of those targets’ addresses on his hard drive, and surveillance footage of his late-night, two-and-a-half hour BART and Muni trips that brought him to the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution highlighted how DePape, in a recorded interview with police after his arrest, infamously called Nancy Pelosi the “leader of the pack” among those telling Democratic lies, and how he kept his research on Pelosi in a folder on his computer labeled “favorite politicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilbert, the U.S. attorney, told jurors that it was telling when DePape admitted to police investigators that his plan involved donning an inflatable unicorn costume, interrogating Nancy Pelosi on video, then breaking her kneecaps and wheeling her out onto the floor of Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He didn’t say he’d wheel her out to the [Democratic National Committee],” she said. “No, he said ‘Congress.’ We didn’t put those words in his mouth. He said that on the day he did this.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. District Judge Jacquline Scott Corley indicated in hearings on Tuesday, while the jury was not present that there are various scenarios in which the federal charges against DePape would not apply. One hypothetical she raised involved someone assaulting a federal official in a fit of road rage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution agreed that the charges against DePape would “absolutely not” be appropriate in that example. But in her closing argument on Wednesday, Gilbert said the charges absolutely apply in this case because of DePape’s own statements about his intent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the center of the ‘evil’ and of the lies and corruption the defendant is talking about,” Gilbert argued. “He tells you: It’s Congress.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilbert relied heavily on DePape’s statements to speak for themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was “right in front of cops, too,” DePape said to a paramedic on a recording from the night of the attack that Gilbert played for the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cops watched me do it. You guys need evidence? There’s no denying what I did. 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He held Paul Pelosi hostage until police officers arrived, then bludgeoned him in the head with a hammer in front of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was not a very well-thought-out plan,” DePape’s attorney, Assistant Federal Public Defender Angela Chuang, told the jury in her closing argument.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s defense attorneys do not dispute that he hit Paul Pelosi with a hammer or that he planned to capture Nancy Pelosi. Rather, the defense argued that he was motivated by outlandish conspiracy theories, not Pelosi’s official position at the time as House speaker.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a key distinction in considering both federal charges against DePape, which require that the suspect had the “intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere” with a federal official’s duties or “on account of” those duties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That strategy echoes ones used by attorneys defending Jan. 6, 2021 insurrectionists earlier this year, including arguments that focused on defendants’ conspiratorial leanings and portrayed them as unaware of the “official duties” of their targets. 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"content": "\u003cp>Just over a year ago, David DePape of Richmond broke into the San Francisco home of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with plans to don an inflatable unicorn costume, interrogate her in her own home on camera about a right-wing conspiracy concerning President Donald Trump called “Russiagate,” then break her kneecaps, and have her wheeled into Congress to expose what he called “lies” told by the “ruling class,” a “cabal” of politicians, academics, celebrities and more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That is the “grand plan” DePape, 43, revealed to a jury on the third day of the federal trial against him in San Francisco on Tuesday morning, over the course of more than an hour’s worth of questioning from his federal public defenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"David DePape\"]‘That was the grand end of my plan, to get Joe Biden to pardon all the criminals for all their criminal conduct.’[/pullquote]DePape, accused of bludgeoning Paul Pelosi and attempting to kidnap Nancy Pelosi, faces life in prison for charges of attempting to kidnap a federal officer and assaulting a family member of a federal official. He has pleaded not guilty. Court proceedings began on Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape occasionally broke into tears, blew his nose and held the bridge of his nose as if in pain during various parts of his testimony, including recalling when he used to have “strong anti-Trump vibes,” views that changed after he began a steady diet of far-right-wing media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape told jurors on Tuesday that his plan included luring one of his highest targets, a sexuality and gender academic named Gayle Rubin, known to the court as “Target 1,” to Pelosi’s home using the speaker’s celebrity as a draw, then continuing on to target Gov. 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"content": "\u003cp>Paul Pelosi testified Monday afternoon in the federal criminal trial of David DePape, who is charged with assaulting him during a home invasion last year and attempting to kidnap his wife, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi told the court he had been asleep in his third-floor bedroom early in the morning of Oct. 28, 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The door opened, and a very large man came in,” Pelosi testified in the San Francisco courtroom, pausing to take a deep breath, “with a hammer in one hand and some ties in the other hand.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And he says, ‘Where’s Nancy?’ I think that woke me up,” he continued. “It was a tremendous shock to recognize someone had broken into the house. I recognized I was in serious danger.”[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]Pelosi’s testimony comes on the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966865/defense-focuses-on-conspiracy-theories-in-first-day-of-trial-over-attempted-nancy-pelosi-kidnapping\">second day of the highly anticipated trial\u003c/a>, in which DePape faces life in prison for charges of attempting to kidnap a federal officer and assaulting a family member of a federal official. Court proceedings began on Thursday when a jury heard opening statements and testimony from several key witnesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prior to Pelosi’s appearance in the courtroom Monday, jurors had been shown several graphic videos from the incident, including slow-motion footage of DePape striking the then 82-year-old multiple times in the head with a hammer and a subsequent clip of Pelosi laying on the floor in a pool of his own blood. Other footage showed Pelosi breathing nasally, which one police officer identified as “agonal breathing,” referring to when someone is gasping for air and not receiving enough oxygen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Footage taken by emergency personnel showed Pelosi being lifted into a gurney wearing only the boxers he had been sleeping in, his face and hands covered in blood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi testified that early in the interaction, he had tried to get into an elevator near his bedroom, but DePape blocked the door.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He was going to tie me up and wait for her,” Pelosi said, recounting how he then managed to walk into the bathroom where his cell phone was charging and called 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi said he chose his words carefully during that call, the audio of which was \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11939421/sf-court-releases-911-call-and-sfpd-body-cam-recordings-of-paul-pelosi-attack\">released to the public in January\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was trying to convey information without aggravating him,” Pelosi testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi said he had intended to lead DePape downstairs and described convincing him to move to the first floor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My only shot was, if we go down the stairs, it would be easier for them to arrest him. God knows what he would’ve done if we were up on the third floor and the police were banging on the door downstairs,” he testified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi recalled how DePape, likely suspecting police were on the way, then told him something like, “It’s over for me. I’m going to have to take you out.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I said, ‘No, the police aren’t going to come,’” Pelosi testified. “And then they were at the door.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In court, U.S. Assistant Attorney Laura Vartain Horn asked Pelosi what his first thought was when the police arrived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I thought, ‘Thank God the police were here.’ There’s this huge guy with a hammer in his hand,” Pelosi said. “I didn’t know what would happen next.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s when Pelosi said he tried to get his hand on the hammer DePape was holding, demonstrating to the court how he had put his left hand over his right to try to stop the attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Then he just pushed me aside and whopped me on the head,” Pelosi continued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What’s the next thing you remember?” Vartain Horn asked him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Waking up in a pool of blood,” Pelosi said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi said the rest of the incident is largely a blur. He vaguely remembers being carried into the ambulance, speaking to paramedics and arriving at San Francisco General Hospital.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the attack, Pelosi testified, he tried to put the incident even further out of his mind. He didn’t initially talk about it with his family and avoided viewing any of the footage from that night or listening to his 911 call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’ve made the best effort I possibly can to not relive this,” Pelosi said.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Paul Pelosi\"]‘And he says, ‘Where’s Nancy?’ I think that woke me up. It was a tremendous shock to recognize someone had broken into the house. I recognized I was in serious danger.’[/pullquote]But Pelosi described how, for many months after the attack, he would frequently suffer from headaches and dizziness due to his head injuries. Doctors, he added, told him to avoid bright lights or loud sounds and not to watch news on TV — but said sports were OK.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Until recently, Pelosi said he also couldn’t grow hair on the parts of his head where he had been struck, so he wore “beanies and hats” for more than eight months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I can still feel dents and lumps,” said Pelosi, whose hair was combed across the right side of his forehead in court on Monday. He lifted his hand and ran it from the front to the back of his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re not as sensitive to the touch, so it’s getting better,” he added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Earlier Monday, jurors heard testimony from a special agent with the FBI, who described surveillance footage documenting DePape’s overnight journey from his East Bay home in Richmond to the Pelosi home in San Francisco’s Pacific Heights, which he reached around 2 a.m. Other witnesses for the prosecution on Monday laid out DePape’s internet search history as he sought addresses for Nancy Pelosi and a host of other targets, including actor Tom Hanks, U.S. Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff and President Biden’s son Hunter Biden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Only a few witnesses remain on the prosecution’s witness list, including a neurosurgeon at San Francisco General Hospital, who is expected to testify Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 5:30 p.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>David DePape, the man accused of attacking Paul Pelosi, allegedly paid for a subscription service to find details about public figures he intended to target and saved personal information about former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — who he variously referred to as evil, a liar and “the leader of the pack” — in a folder labeled “favorite politicians.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That ominous electronic trail is among the steps DePape took in the week before he rode BART from the East Bay, boarded a San Francisco Muni bus, and arrived at the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights home in the early hours of Oct. 28, 2022, federal prosecutor Laura Vartain Horn told the jury in her opening statement Thursday in a San Francisco courtroom.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Jodi Linker, federal public defender\"]‘This is not a whodunnit. But what the government fails to acknowledge is the why-dunnit. And the why matters. The why is what makes this a federal case.’[/pullquote]DePape, she said, would go on to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11939421/sf-court-releases-911-call-and-sfpd-body-cam-recordings-of-paul-pelosi-attack\">break into the home\u003c/a> and, when he discovered Nancy Pelosi wasn’t there, hold her 82-year-old husband, Paul Pelosi, hostage before striking him in the head with a hammer in front of two San Francisco police officers, who captured the attack on video.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you stop me from going after people, you will take the punishment instead,” was one of the threats DePape made to Paul Pelosi, Horn told the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The defendant unleashed his plan of violence on the next closest thing to the speaker, her husband, Paul,” Horn said as she displayed photos of Paul Pelosi lying in a pool of his own blood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecution’s case, Horn said, would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that DePape intended to retaliate against Nancy Pelosi “because of her job.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Conspiracy theory as defense\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But DePape, who faces life in prison for two felony counts, including attempted kidnapping of a federal officer and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official, does not dispute anything about what happened that night, said Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker, the suspect’s attorney, in her opening statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is not a whodunnit,” Linker told the jury. “But what the government fails to acknowledge is the why-dunnit. And the why matters. The why is what makes this a federal case.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966971\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966971\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg\" alt=\"a watercolor sketch showing a judge behind a bench and various people seated while a standing person speaks\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/LinkerOpening-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Federal Public Defender Jodi Linker (pointing), David DePape’s attorney, gives her opening statement in a San Francisco courtroom on Thursday. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The defense strategy has \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11966378/federal-trial-set-to-start-for-man-who-attacked-nancy-pelosis-husband-with-a-hammer\">largely been a mystery in the weeks leading up to the start of the trial\u003c/a>. That strategy, Linker’s initial arguments suggest, is to convince the jury that DePape’s beliefs are “wholly unrelated to Nancy Pelosi’s official duties.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker began her statement by reciting a litany of DePape’s extremist conspiracy theories: accusing actor Tom Hanks of raping a child, nodding to George Soros’ perceived control of mainstream media, calling out Gov. Gavin Newsom for “trampling on all our constitutional rights.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Hunter Biden is so blatantly corrupt, there is simply no end to what he will do,” Linker said, listing more of DePape’s baseless theories. “Adam Schiff abuses children.”[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]It was revealed in court Thursday that Schiff, the U.S. Democratic congressman from Burbank, was among those DePape planned to attack.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Nancy Pelosi is a culture warrior, the face of the Democratic Party,” Linker added to her recitation. “Her army is the Democratic National Committee and her weapon is the mainstream media. … That is tyranny. That is corruption. That is killing the tree of liberty.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Members of the jury, many of us do not believe any of that,” Linker concluded. “You may think it’s bogus. You may think they’re harmful lies, lies you think are destroying the country. But the evidence in the trial will show Mr. DePape believes these things. He believes them with every ounce of his being.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape developed these beliefs via a steady diet of video games, “listening to podcast after podcast and watching YouTube video after YouTube video … that fed him lies and prompted him to reveal the truth,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both of the charges against DePape presume he was motivated by Pelosi’s official position, not by the outlandish conspiracy theories that drove his actions, Linker argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Pelosi home was only the first stop on DePape’s intended journey, Linker added, and had he not been arrested there, he would have then tried to track down Tom Hanks, Hunter Biden, George Soros, and gender-theory academic Gayle Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rubin, who will likely testify in the trial next week, had until now only been identified in court filings as DePape’s “Target 1” — the person he could get to by first kidnapping Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why? Because of her writings,” Linker said. “Because he believes she is promoting child molestation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Linker said the jury will hear from Target 1, “and she is going to say this is all completely false, that she believes no such things. But David believes it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You will also note this is not a very well thought out plan,” Linker added, underscoring that DePape didn’t make it very far down his target list.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>In DePape’s own words\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Testimony on the first day of the trial, which stretched into the afternoon, included video and audio of DePape explaining his motivations and admitting to his plan to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and then go after more politicians and academics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point on video captured by a police body camera, DePape even expressed remorse for hitting Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I didn’t really want to hurt him, but, you know, this was a suicide mission,” DePape said. “The shit going on in Washington, D.C. — it’s so fucking sick. I’m not just going to stand here and do nothing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added: “There’s no denying what I did. 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DePape could be sentenced to life in prison if convicted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jury selection in the trial starts this week, with opening statements scheduled for Nov. 9.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But arguments during the trial may go beyond the straightforward legal debate of whether DePape is guilty of bludgeoning Paul Pelosi with a hammer in his San Francisco home last year as part of a plot to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and other left-leaning public figures.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Rachel Goldwasser, Southern Poverty Law Center\"]‘I think the biggest fear is that people who are following it with a conspiratorial view become angrier and even more hostile toward Nancy Pelosi, her family and other politicians as well.’[/pullquote]DePape’s alleged act of political violence last year followed a steady drumbeat of villainization against Pelosi in national right-wing media, and there are concerns that the suspect, who appears to have been motivated by his belief in far-right conspiracy theories, could turn the witness stand into a pulpit to evangelize his beliefs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys, who are federal public defenders, have attempted to keep their courtroom strategy a secret. However, according to pretrial motions, they do not intend to argue insanity. There’s even a chance DePape may take the stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The damning evidence against DePape includes surveillance video of him breaking into the Pelosi home and police body-camera video of him attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer. After his arrest, DePape told officers he intended to kidnap Nancy Pelosi, the first among the several public figures he planned to target. Police found zip ties, a roll of duct tape, rope and gloves in his backpack.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Message of extremism’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>But DePape and his legal team may not care about winning a not-guilty verdict, Loyola Law School professor Laurie Levenson told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“His greatest goal may be to spread his message of extremism,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trial comes at a potential cost to at least one secret witness, another of DePape’s alleged targets whose safety could be at risk if asked to testify, the witness’s attorney has argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. District Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley ruled recently that an unnamed person, referred to in court documents as “Target 1,” could be compelled to testify. Target 1 is identified in a federal indictment as a high priority on DePape’s list of targets — the person whom he allegedly sought to lure by first taking Nancy Pelosi hostage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In San Francisco Superior Court last year, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/san-francisco-nancy-pelosi-government-and-politics-3a0ec4302ee4f11c612678038997c0d7\">a San Francisco police lieutenant said\u003c/a> DePape’s target list included Gov. Gavin Newsom, Hunter Biden (President Joe Biden’s son), actor Tom Hanks and sex and gender-theory academic Gayle Rubin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Corley also permitted federal prosecutors to use audio of a Jan. 27 phone call DePape made from his jail cell to a local TV news reporter. During the call, DePape apologized for failing in his alleged plans to target government officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The tree of liberty needs watering,” he said. “We need men of valor, patriots willing to put their own lives on the line to stand in opposition to tyranny.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That message has a receptive audience in an ever-growing community of conspiracy theorists, said Rachel Goldwasser, an analyst for the Southern Poverty Law Center. DePape’s trial, she said, could galvanize people already sympathetic to QAnon and similar anti-government perspectives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think the biggest fear is that people who are following it with a conspiratorial view become angrier and even more hostile toward Nancy Pelosi, her family and other politicians as well,” Goldwasser said. “The threats have gone up quite a lot in the last few years, and it doesn’t look like they’re going to reduce any time soon.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Radicalized in recent years\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>DePape didn’t always traffic in conspiracy theories.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His one-time girlfriend, the nudist Gypsy Taub, who recently served time for attempting to abduct a minor, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/ex-girlfriend-of-suspect-in-paul-pelosi-attack-17545968.php\">told the San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/a> that DePape “didn’t know anything about politics” when they met in Hawaii in 2000. Only later did a combination of mental illness and drug use cause him to lose grip on reality, she said.[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]Years later, DePape, a Canadian-born carpenter living in the East Bay city of Richmond, published blog posts trafficking in QAnon conspiracy theories, railing against space aliens, communists, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11930523/conspiracy-theories-and-qanon-posts-shed-light-on-suspect-in-assault-at-pelosi-home\">religious minorities and transgender people\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement to police after he was arrested, DePape characterized Nancy Pelosi as the “leader of the pack” telling Democratic Party lies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape is accused of breaking into the Pelosi’s Pacific Heights home in San Francisco at around 2 a.m. on Oct. 28, 2022. The federal indictment recounts key events: He smashed through their glass side door with a hammer, woke Paul Pelosi from bed and told him he was looking for Nancy Pelosi. Paul Pelosi got hold of a cell phone in his bathroom and managed to signal for help by calling 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By 2:31 a.m., a pair of police officers arrived, their body cameras recording as they knocked on the door. Paul Pelosi and DePape answered the door, both of them with one hand on a hammer. When an officer ordered DePape to “drop the hammer,” he said, “Um nope,” pulled his hammer back and swung at Pelosi’s head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi underwent surgery to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11930397/nancy-pelosis-husband-assaulted-in-san-francisco-break-in\">repair a skull fracture\u003c/a> along with medical treatment for severe injuries to his hand when he tried to block the hammer blow. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11964329/nancy-pelosi-on-israel-and-the-house-speaker-fight\">Nancy Pelosi told KQED\u003c/a> during a live interview last month that her husband is still recovering, and he may be fully healed by the end of this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Judge considers allowing key evidence\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors and defense attorneys have sparred in pretrial motions over what evidence will be shown to the jury, including a January in-custody phone call from DePape to KTVU reporter Amber Lee and photos and video showing a bloodied Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.ktvu.com/news/depape-in-bizarre-phone-call-to-ktvu-says-he-should-have-been-more-prepared\">In that call\u003c/a>, DePape said, “I want to apologize to everyone. I messed up. What I did was really bad. I’m so sorry I didn’t get more of them. It’s my own fault. No one else is to blame. I should have come better prepared.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added, “Liberty isn’t dying, it’s being systematically killed,” and that “people killing it have names and addresses, so I got their names and addresses, so I could pay them a little visit and have a heart-to-heart chat about their bad behavior.” He called for “men of valor, patriots willing to put their own lives on the line to stand in opposition to tyranny.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003cbr>\nThe defense argued in a pretrial motion that the call did not touch on Nancy or Paul Pelosi “or prove any of the necessary elements of the offenses charged.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They argued that the call would be inflammatory to a jury and unduly sway them through emotion instead of evidence. Corley ultimately ruled that federal prosecutors could present excerpts from the call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Stanford Law professor Robert Weisberg said the phone call is particularly damning for DePape and a gift to prosecutors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Was that gold wrapped as a present to the U.S. government? Was it the government’s birthday? Was it July Fourth?” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys have also sought to limit how much video footage of the hammer attack prosecutors are allowed to show the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assistant U.S. Attorney Laura Vartain Horn told Judge Corley late last month that the video shows Paul Pelosi lying on the floor “in his own blood.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It shows a different angle. You hear Mr. Pelosi’s breathing, which is difficult,” Horn said, and it shows emergency personnel attempting to stop his blood flow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal public defender Angela Chuang argued the video is shocking and would wrongly sway the jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is prejudicial. There’s no question about that. That’s just the nature of what happened,” Corley said in response. “A picture is worth a thousand words.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Mysterious Target 1 to take witness stand\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Corley cleared the courtroom when DePape’s attorneys argued at a hearing late last month that subpoenaing the unnamed witness identified in the federal indictment as Target 1 was crucial to the defense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Corley ruled after the closed-door hearing that Target 1 would testify, a ruling that came over the objections of Target 1’s attorney, Ed Swanson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Swanson said DePape’s “call to arms” in his phone call to KTVU endangered his client. He said that since she was named as one of DePape’s targets, she was forced to make “fundamental changes” in her family life and professional life to guarantee their safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are people out there who are particularly worrisome to my client and her employer, who have gone to great lengths to do everything possible to make my client safe,” Swanson argued. “This will make my client less safe.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Laurie Levenson, Loyola Law School professor\"]‘Cases that look easy, you have to be careful because jurors will have high expectations,” she said. “In high profile cases, unusual things can happen.’[/pullquote]Corley apologized to Swanson and his client but said the worry right now is a “generalized concern” instead of a specific one and erred on the side of honoring DePape’s right to a fair trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We get threats just being a judge in a video game case,” Corley said. “It’s a crazy, terrible world.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court is aiming to keep Target 1’s name under wraps, though those in attendance will be able to see the person’s face. Corley has said Target 1’s testimony is expected to be public. That could change as further hearings on Target 1 are expected this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson, of Loyola Law School, said there may be good reasons to keep Target 1’s identity hidden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It may be that DePape is out of commission, but the court has to worry whether he has followers out there who will take up the mantle, the mission for him,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Legal defense remains a mystery\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>DePape’s attorneys have noted in an October court filing that they’re trying to avoid “prematurely revealing details of defense trial strategy and theory.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that strategy remains a mystery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Weisberg, from Stanford Law School, said it makes sense that DePape doesn’t plan to argue insanity as a defense as it’s an “incredibly hard” legal bar to clear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You have to prove that because of your incapacity, you had no ability to even know what you were doing was wrong,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The defense’s witness list is brief: one redacted name who may be Target 1, Pelosi’s chief of staff, Daniel Bernal, Elizabeth Yates, \u003ca href=\"https://humanrightsfirst.org/library/yates-testifies-on-extremist-threat-to-americans-and-democracy/\">an extremism and antisemitism researcher\u003c/a>, federal public defender Catherine Goulet and DePape himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The prosecutors’ witness list, in contrast, is two pages long, sporting 15 names, most of whom are police officers, federal agents and various emergency responders. Paul Pelosi is also named as a potential witness. Nancy Pelosi is not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At an October pretrial hearing, Corley shot down the defense bid to ask jurors for their voting histories, calling the move “invasive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It will reduce faith in our system. I’m just not going to allow it,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson, from Loyola Law School, said finding even one juror who finds conspiracy theories plausible could be key for the defense.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“All they frankly need is one sympathizer, one person who says, ‘I don’t like DePape, but his message is one that I relate to,’” Levenson said. “If that happens, then you might not get the unanimous verdict that the prosecution has to get.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levenson cautioned against assuming the case will be an easy win for prosecutors, even in light of what she called “strong evidence” showing DePape’s attack, demonstrating his motivations and communicating his desire to continue his mission even after his arrest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Cases that look easy, you have to be careful because jurors will have high expectations,” she said. “In high profile cases, unusual things can happen.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Correction (Nov. 8): An earlier version of this story listed David DePape’s age as 42 years old. 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The tape ends after less than two minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"paul-pelosi\"]Pelosi, 82, was taken to San Francisco General Hospital, where he underwent surgery for a skull fracture. He remained there for almost a week, before being released. He is still recovering from the attack but has recently been seen at several events with his wife, including a visit to the White House.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hours after the release of the footage, Nancy Pelosi said she had not watched any of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I have absolutely no intention of seeing the deadly assault on my husband’s life,\" she said, adding that she would not comment any further on the incident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court also \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/01/Interview-with-DePape-clip.mp3\">released an audio recording\u003c/a> of a female police officer interrogating DePape after the incident. 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His next court appearance is scheduled for Feb. 23, when a trial date is expected to be set.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In asking the court to release the audio and video footage shown earlier in open court, attorneys for the media coalition cited the First Amendment and the right to public access.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In opposing the motion, the San Francisco Public Defender's Office said graphic footage of the attack would be \"used, manipulated and altered\" in ways that would \"irreparably harm\" DePape's right to a fair trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The San Francisco District Attorney’s Office also opposed the release of the recordings, warning they would only fuel more unfounded theories about the brutal assault on Pelosi. And they were not alone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jon Lewis, a research fellow with the Program on Extremism at George Washington University, said he shares those concerns. 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The 911 dispatcher has been widely credited with sending two officers to the couple’s home despite limited information.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In November, \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/nancy-pelosi-house-future-plans-updates-3839ff31c605efa0ec1ee4ff004b72d2\">Nancy Pelosi said she will step down\u003c/a> as the Democrats' leader after 20 years as the party's head. Paul Pelosi, her husband of nearly 60 years, drew a standing ovation earlier this month when the couple \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-music-concerts-george-clooney-fe565e3a80c6b486bd79bea2709d6f1c\">attended the Kennedy Center Honors\u003c/a> — his first public appearance since the assault. Christine Pelosi, a Democratic operative and attorney, is considered to be a potential successor when the speaker retires, though she has never held elected office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape (pronounced \"dih-PAP\") \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/california-san-francisco-nancy-pelosi-government-and-politics-paul-985a574966438975ec9ccdc39061d83c\">told police he was on a “suicide mission”\u003c/a> and had plans to target other California and federal politicians, court documents say. Authorities have said he was drawn to conspiracy theories.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape allegedly smashed his way into the Pelosis' home, confronted Paul Pelosi, who was sleeping in boxer shorts and a pajama top, and demanded to know where “Nancy” was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape allegedly then told Paul Pelosi that if Nancy Pelosi told him the \"'truth,' he would let her go and if she 'lied,' he was going to \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/twitter-inc-san-francisco-conspiracy-theories-nancy-pelosi-congress-e2d8fc90553c24b5e5162e02e6378321\">break her kneecaps\u003c/a>,\" the criminal complaint alleges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paul Pelosi was eventually able to call 911 to summon San Francisco police. 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Paul Pelosi was knocked unconscious by the hammer attack and woke up in a pool of his own blood, the filing said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, San Francisco District Attorney Brooke Jenkins said, \"This was a targeted attack. This was not a random residential burglary. He specifically sought out their home. He sought out the speaker.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Court documents revealed that without being questioned, DePape told officers and medics at the scene that he was sick of the \"lies coming out of Washington, D.C.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I didn't really want to hurt him, but you know this was a suicide mission,\" said DePape to officials. \"I'm not going to stand here and do nothing, even if it cost me my life.\"[aside postID=\"news_11930397,news_11930668,news_11930523\" label=\"Related Posts\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He allegedly also told Paul Pelosi, \"Well, she's No. 2 in line for the presidency, right?\" referring to Speaker Pelosi. He added, \"We've got to take them all out.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape allegedly told first responders he had other targets, including a local professor as well as several prominent state and federal politicians and members of their families. The filing did not name any potential targets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wearing orange jail clothing and with his right arm in a sling, DePape spoke during his arraignment only to tell Judge Diane Northway how to pronounce his last name (dih-PAP'), and that he agreed to waive his right to a speedy trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Judge Northway set Friday as a date to consider whether or not DePape is eligible for bail, and to set subsequent hearing dates. On Tuesday, Jenkins also sought, and was granted, a protective order to keep DePape away from Nancy and Paul Pelosi and their household, in case DePape is released on bail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the hearing, DePape's public defender Adam Lipson said he looks forward to providing him with a \"vigorous legal defense.\" He said his client's shoulder was dislocated during the arrest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We're going to be doing a comprehensive investigation of what happened. We're going to be looking into Mr. DePape's mental state, and I'm not going to talk any further about that until I have more information,\" Lipson said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lipson mentioned the public speculation about DePape's \"vulnerability to misinformation,\" referring to revelations of DePape's blogs that embrace right-wing conspiracy theories like QAnon and said it's something he is \"going to look into.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/FitzTheReporter/status/1587567085789454341\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He later said he was pleased that Paul Pelosi was improving and urged the public not to pass judgment on what he called \"a complicated situation.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The attack on 82-year-old Paul Pelosi sent shock waves through the political world just days before the hotly contested midterm elections. Threats against lawmakers and election officials have been at all-time highs in this first nationwide election since the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the Capitol, and authorities have issued warnings about rising extremism in the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape faces state charges of attempted murder, burglary and elder abuse. He also faces federal charges including attempted kidnapping of a U.S. official.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While prosecutors have not offered a timeline of events preceding the Friday attack, Jenkins previously said that the attack appeared premeditated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This was not something that he did at the spur of the moment,\" she told The Associated Press on Monday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court filing said DePape smashed his shoulder through a glass window early Friday in the back of the Pelosi's Pacific Heights home and awakened a sleeping Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Are you Paul Pelosi?\" DePape said, standing over him around 2 a.m. holding a hammer and zip ties. He repeatedly asked, \"Where's Nancy?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi told DePape that his wife was not home and would be gone for several days. 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Jenkins has said the assault was captured on the officers' body cameras.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Speaker Pelosi was in Washington, D.C., at the time and under the protection of her security detail, which does not extend to family members. She quickly returned to San Francisco, where her husband was hospitalized and underwent surgery for a skull fracture and other injuries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Washington, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger provided an update on Tuesday of security protocols for members of Congress.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/FitzTheReporter/status/1587575417791283200\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Manger said that although many improvements have been made since the Capitol attack, including a goal to hire nearly 280 officers by the end of this year, \"there is still a lot of work to do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We believe today's political climate calls for more resources to provide additional layers of physical security for members of Congress,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Manger said the attack on Pelosi's husband was \"an alarming reminder of the dangerous threats elected officials and public figures face during today's contentious political climate.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED's Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez and Associated Press writers Lisa Mascaro and Michael Balsamo contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca id=\"anchor\">\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003cem>Nov. 2: An earlier version of this report erroneously named San Francisco Superior Court Judge A. 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