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"content": "\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/stanford-university\">Stanford University\u003c/a> senior Billy Ramirez returned to campus this fall to find that the university’s housing and dining department used artificial intelligence to replace him with a Black woman on a public banner. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Stanford Residential and Dining Enterprises, which oversees the university’s housing operations, dining services and campus conferences, hung the promotional banner in a student housing center, according to \u003ca href=\"https://stanforddaily.com/2026/09/23/university-confirms-ai-edited-photo/\">\u003cem>The Stanford Daily\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The outlet also reported that the original photo, taken in Stern Dining during a 2024 Lunar New Year celebration, was previously used unaltered. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1320\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230719-STANFORD-GETTY-DM-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"An ornate sandstone-colored building with a series of arches sitting on a brick plaza.\" class=\"wp-image-11956028\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230719-STANFORD-GETTY-DM-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230719-STANFORD-GETTY-DM-KQED-800x528.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230719-STANFORD-GETTY-DM-KQED-1020x673.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230719-STANFORD-GETTY-DM-KQED-160x106.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230719-STANFORD-GETTY-DM-KQED-1536x1014.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/07/230719-STANFORD-GETTY-DM-KQED-1920x1267.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The arches of the Main Quadrangle buildings on the campus of Stanford University in Palo Alto on Oct. 2, 2021. (David Madison/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>In addition to replacing Ramirez, Stanford R&DE made significant changes to the other two students’ faces. 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(David Madison/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>In addition to replacing Ramirez, Stanford R&DE made significant changes to the other two students’ faces. The edits and use of AI caused a stir on the campus social media app, Fizz, according to the Daily, consequently drawing \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/22/us/stanford-photo-swap-black-hispanic-student.html\">national attention\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Seeing my identity changed and being left out of the picture made me feel, in a way, silenced and erased from a representation that was supposed to include me,” Ramirez told the \u003ca href=\"https://stanfordreview.org/stanford-r-de-uses-ai-to-race-swap-students-for-advertising/\">\u003cem>Stanford Review\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, an independent paper founded by venture capitalist and university alum Peter Thiel. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Ramirez’s class was the last cohort admitted to a U.S. college before the Supreme Court gutted \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/06/29/1181138066/affirmative-action-supreme-court-decision\">affirmative action\u003c/a> in 2023. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-complex-ramifications-of-students-for-fair-admissions-v-harvard/\">Brookings Institute\u003c/a> found that these changes had a sizable impact on the racial profile of college populations across the country.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>At Stanford, \u003ca href=\"https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2025/01/final-enrollment-data-for-class-of-2028-reported-in-common-data-set\">enrollment\u003c/a> for Black or African American students fell from 8.9% to 4.5% and enrollment for Hispanic or Latino students fell from 16.7% to 14.6%. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>At the same time, Asian student enrollment increased from 28.8% to 33%, and White student enrollment increased from 21.9% to 24.1%. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Universities have a long history of artificially diversifying models in their marketing. 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(Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Humans would most likely go into Photoshop and start working on specific areas of the image,” Bohacek, who focuses on media integrity, said. “But AI models these days, most of them anyway, can’t do that.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Bohacek said that most publicly available AI models cannot work directly with individual pixels, the way a human would in photoshop. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003c!-- Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/ -->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story was originally published by \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/\">CalMatters\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/subscribe-to-calmatters/\">Sign up\u003c/a> for their newsletters.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gov. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/gavin-newsom\">Gavin Newsom\u003c/a> announced Friday that he is directing state agencies to develop artificial intelligence safety recommendations, some of which were part of a bill he vetoed two years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His change of tune on those measures, including requiring AI developers to include a “kill switch” to shut off certain programs in emergencies, comes in response to growing public alarm over the fast-developing technology’s potential “catastrophic” harms such as AI creating a bioweapon or bringing down the power grid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom is seeking recommendations from the Government Operations Agency and the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services by Nov. 16, which could form the basis of a special legislative session on the issue. He floated the possibility of calling one this week in an \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/17/newsom-floats-special-session-or-executive-action-on-ai-01082216\" data-type=\"link\" data-=\"\">interview with Politico\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom has sought in recent weeks to respond to several incidents in which AI agents from leading developers OpenAI and Anthropic broke away from testing environments, gained access to the open internet and carried out cyberattacks on other websites and companies. Earlier this month, a researcher set off a panic when he resigned from Anthropic while warning the technology could “kill all humans;” the researcher’s former colleagues were quick to agree.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The hackings have captivated the public and seem to confirm AI researchers’ fears that the fast-developing technology is improving its own capabilities beyond human control. Several industry leaders last week endorsed Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/12/technology/anthropic-dario-amodei-ai-slowdown.html\" data-type=\"link\" data-=\"\">call for a slowdown\u003c/a> in development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom’s order directs the state agencies to recommend changes in state law to require external safety evaluators at AI companies, as well as require independent verification for AI companies’ safety frameworks that are required under current state law. He’s also seeking recommendations on how to require a kill switch, and how to expand the safety incidents companies must report to the state to include “a range of loss-of-control incidents” such as the recently reported hackings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12094819\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12094819\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty-1536x1025.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Three teenage boys look at their smartphone screens on April 11, 2026. \u003ccite>(Matt Cardy/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Regulation is unlikely from the federal government; President Donald Trump remains all-in on speeding up AI development in the face of competition from China and said the calls for a slowdown are a “conspiracy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom, a likely 2028 presidential contender, said Friday in a press release that should “alarm every American.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re going to speed up our work on substantial and responsible AI oversight before it’s too late,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California under Newsom has enacted several first-in-the-nation laws to curb the potentially existential risks of AI. In 2025, he signed \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb53\">Senate Bill 53\u003c/a>, which requires large AI model developers to publish frameworks on how they manage safety incidents and assess catastrophic risk — defined as incidents involving 50 or more deaths, chemical or biological weapons or more than $1 billion of theft or damage. They also must report critical safety incidents to the state. Illinois and New York have similar laws.[aside postID=news_12099017 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/GavinNewsomAI.jpg']That law sets a high bar for what incidents must be reported, though, including only those involving deaths, injuries or the “materialization of a catastrophic risk.” Advocates for greater tech regulation want the threshold to be lower to cover more incidents like the recent hackings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure was a compromise — a requirement for transparency rather than regulatory control — after Newsom in 2024 vetoed \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202320240sb1047\">Senate Bill 1047\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vetoed measure would have required the largest AI developers to receive safety auditing from third-party, external monitors, develop a kill switch and be subject to clearer legal liability if their technology causes harm. The measure divided Silicon Valley and was fiercely opposed by several of the largest AI developers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure was a compromise — a requirement for transparency rather than regulatory control — after Newsom in 2024 vetoed \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202320240sb1047\">Senate Bill 1047\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both bills were authored by Democratic Sen. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/legislators/scott-wiener-100936\">Scott Wiener\u003c/a>, whose San Francisco district is home to the most prominent AI companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We must act with all possible haste to address the serious risks of AI-driven catastrophe, and I commend the governor for taking this important step,” he said. “I’m glad to see the strong AI safety framework I laid out in 2024 is still being used to guide policy in 2026.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12092171\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12092171\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 14-year-old boy looks at an iPhone screen displaying various social media and messaging apps on March 29, 2026. \u003ccite>(Anna Barclay/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The vetoed measure would have required the largest AI developers to receive safety auditing from third-party, external monitors, develop a kill switch and be subject to clearer legal liability if their technology causes harm. The measure divided Silicon Valley and received fierce opposition from several, but not all, of the largest AI developers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom wrote two years ago \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SB-1047-Veto-Message.pdf\">in a veto message\u003c/a> that while he agreed with the need to require safety protocols, the bill could restrict AI development at large companies “at the potential expense of curtailing the very innovation that fuels advancement in favor of the public good.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I agree with the author — we cannot afford to wait for a major catastrophe to occur before taking action to protect the public,” he added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, more in the industry have embraced third-party evaluations. This year, Newsom signed two laws to verify, register and set standards for those external monitors. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom has sought in recent weeks to respond to several incidents in which AI agents from leading developers OpenAI and Anthropic broke away from testing environments, gained access to the open internet and carried out cyberattacks on other websites and companies. Earlier this month, a researcher set off a panic when he resigned from Anthropic while warning the technology could “kill all humans;” the researcher’s former colleagues were quick to agree.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The hackings have captivated the public and seem to confirm AI researchers’ fears that the fast-developing technology is improving its own capabilities beyond human control. Several industry leaders last week endorsed Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/12/technology/anthropic-dario-amodei-ai-slowdown.html\" data-type=\"link\" data-=\"\">call for a slowdown\u003c/a> in development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom’s order directs the state agencies to recommend changes in state law to require external safety evaluators at AI companies, as well as require independent verification for AI companies’ safety frameworks that are required under current state law. He’s also seeking recommendations on how to require a kill switch, and how to expand the safety incidents companies must report to the state to include “a range of loss-of-control incidents” such as the recently reported hackings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12094819\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12094819\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty-1536x1025.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Three teenage boys look at their smartphone screens on April 11, 2026. \u003ccite>(Matt Cardy/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Regulation is unlikely from the federal government; President Donald Trump remains all-in on speeding up AI development in the face of competition from China and said the calls for a slowdown are a “conspiracy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom, a likely 2028 presidential contender, said Friday in a press release that should “alarm every American.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re going to speed up our work on substantial and responsible AI oversight before it’s too late,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California under Newsom has enacted several first-in-the-nation laws to curb the potentially existential risks of AI. In 2025, he signed \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb53\">Senate Bill 53\u003c/a>, which requires large AI model developers to publish frameworks on how they manage safety incidents and assess catastrophic risk — defined as incidents involving 50 or more deaths, chemical or biological weapons or more than $1 billion of theft or damage. They also must report critical safety incidents to the state. Illinois and New York have similar laws.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>That law sets a high bar for what incidents must be reported, though, including only those involving deaths, injuries or the “materialization of a catastrophic risk.” Advocates for greater tech regulation want the threshold to be lower to cover more incidents like the recent hackings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure was a compromise — a requirement for transparency rather than regulatory control — after Newsom in 2024 vetoed \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202320240sb1047\">Senate Bill 1047\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The vetoed measure would have required the largest AI developers to receive safety auditing from third-party, external monitors, develop a kill switch and be subject to clearer legal liability if their technology causes harm. The measure divided Silicon Valley and was fiercely opposed by several of the largest AI developers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure was a compromise — a requirement for transparency rather than regulatory control — after Newsom in 2024 vetoed \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202320240sb1047\">Senate Bill 1047\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both bills were authored by Democratic Sen. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/legislators/scott-wiener-100936\">Scott Wiener\u003c/a>, whose San Francisco district is home to the most prominent AI companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We must act with all possible haste to address the serious risks of AI-driven catastrophe, and I commend the governor for taking this important step,” he said. “I’m glad to see the strong AI safety framework I laid out in 2024 is still being used to guide policy in 2026.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12092171\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12092171\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A 14-year-old boy looks at an iPhone screen displaying various social media and messaging apps on March 29, 2026. \u003ccite>(Anna Barclay/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The vetoed measure would have required the largest AI developers to receive safety auditing from third-party, external monitors, develop a kill switch and be subject to clearer legal liability if their technology causes harm. The measure divided Silicon Valley and received fierce opposition from several, but not all, of the largest AI developers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom wrote two years ago \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SB-1047-Veto-Message.pdf\">in a veto message\u003c/a> that while he agreed with the need to require safety protocols, the bill could restrict AI development at large companies “at the potential expense of curtailing the very innovation that fuels advancement in favor of the public good.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I agree with the author — we cannot afford to wait for a major catastrophe to occur before taking action to protect the public,” he added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, more in the industry have embraced third-party evaluations. This year, Newsom signed two laws to verify, register and set standards for those external monitors. But the new laws do not require companies to use them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his recent call for a slowdown in AI development, Amodei also called for third-party monitoring; both Anthropic and OpenAI say they will commit to the practice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This article was \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/politics/2026/09/ai-rules-newsom-state-directive/\">originally published on CalMatters\u003c/a> and was republished under the \u003ca href=\"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/\">Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives\u003c/a> license.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003cem>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Host Morgan Sung and the \u003cem>Close All Tabs\u003c/em> team pull up the stories they can’t stop thinking about. From a fake NFL player catfishing women on dating apps, to femme creators reclaiming tech, indie musicians fighting AI music slop, and a comedian dishing out the juiciest community garden gossip — they’ve got a lot to chew on.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Save or Scroll\u003c/em> is our series where Morgan teams up with guests for a rapid-fire roundup of internet trends that are filling their feeds right now. At the end of each segment, they’ll decide: is the post just for the group chat, or should we save it for a future episode?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-megaphone wp-block-embed-megaphone\">\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC6729392957\n\u003c/div>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u003cstrong>Further Reading/Listening:\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/aug/31/nfl-alleged-scam-daejon-love\">Who would fall in love with a fake NFL player? 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Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Follow us on \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Instagram\u003c/a> and\u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@closealltabs\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@closealltabs\">TikTok\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Hi, I’m sure there are a lot of stories that you’re probably too scared to Google on your own. But don’t worry, that’s what Close All Tabs is for. And if you find our deep dives helpful, then please rate and review the show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to us. And tell your friends, post about it. Basically, it would be a huge help to get the word out. Okay, let’s get to the show. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Hey guys, welcome to Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Except today, we aren’t opening any tabs. Instead, we’re doing another Save or Scroll. We’ve done a few of these now. Occasionally, while scrolling, I come across a truly wild post, but it might not make sense to spend an entire episode on it. Maybe I do a little digging and it turns out that the lore behind it just isn’t compelling enough to justify a deep dive, but I’m still dying to talk about it. And this is the beauty of Save or Scroll, the game where a guest comes to the show and we trade stories from the internet that we’re dying to about. Today’s is a fun one because one, it’s our end of summer roundup. And two, we have the whole Close All Tabs team joining us today. In the studio, we have senior editor Chris Egusa. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Hello! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Producer, Maya Cueva. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Hey everyone. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Editor, Chris Hambrick. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Hey there. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>And a new face, Close All Tabs intern, Lauren Yoon. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Hello. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>So let’s talk about the rules of Save or Scroll. Save, as in when you see a post on TikTok or Instagram or X and you bookmark it, add it to your saved folders, or if you’re me, drop it in Notes app and hope that you remember it’s there, basically, holding onto the story because you know you’ll want to dig into it more. And scroll, as in, you think about it and move on. It disappears into the digital ether. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Each member of the Close All Tabs team has brought one story from the summer, and we’re gonna go through all of them and decide if they’re worth a deep dive on the show. So if we decide to scroll, that means we’ve talked about it, we’re moving on. And if we decided to save, it means that we might hold onto the idea for a future episode. Everyone ready? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yep. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Let’s go for it. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Yes, I’m so excited. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Let’s do it. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>All right, let’s get started. Maya. You’re up first. What was the story of the summer for you? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Thanks, Morgan. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Okay, so I don’t know if this is all over your social media feeds, it’s definitely all over mine. So apparently there’s a man named Daejon Love who claimed to be a football player who played for the 49ers. I actually want to play a clip here for you so you can hear what I’m talking about. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio Clip from Instagram User @ustadium] \u003c/em>\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\u003c/strong>\u003cem>Friend: My boy J Love, signing his contract. How you feel? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: I’m ready. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Friend:You ready for the season? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: Hell yeah, Let me go ahead and get this over with. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Friend: Sign that bad boy. What are you signing with, who’s your decision? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: Niners, you already know, the Niner Gang. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Friend: Anything you got to say for the fans? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: Lookout number seven, last name Love, 6-5-2-10, I’m out here. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Okay, so the video you’re seeing here, it’s of him signing a contract and everything kind of looks normal or kind of sounds normal, right? But the real twist is that this man was in fact not an NFL player and allegedly scammed around 26 women out of 1.3 million dollars, all through dating apps and social media, which is super wild. In fact, Love created dating profiles on Hinge, Bumble, and Tinder. Where he pretended to be an NFL player or that he was a wealthy Swiss real estate developer. He also had an accomplice who posed as his financial advisor who was only 18, which I don’t know how they both got away with that. And it’s also wow that even Google’s AI overview got duped and said he was an NFL players because he posted about it so much on his social media. And I actually have another clip that I wanna play here for you to hear. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio Clip from Sportsnaut Facebook account] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: I know I get a lot of fans who want to know how football works or how I got involved in the league and stuff like that. I know it’s difficult now since switching teams and stuff like that, but I just want to give some context. I know a lot people don’t understand how the NFL works. So those two screenshots posted and that’s Google. That’s not me. That’s Google. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I know he’s so committed to this grift. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>And busy. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, and busy and busy. So according to an article on Kron4 in January of this year, investigators tried entering Love’s first and last name and search engines. The results the documents stated did in fact sometimes depict Love as a player for the 49ers. Investigators also noted similar Google search results on Instagram accounts believed to be controlled by Love the documents also stated so these were documents that the FBI was investigating. First off, my question is, how was he able to even scam these women online into sending him money when he was cosplaying as a rich person? Apparently, he downloaded an app that allowed him to create fake bank profiles that said that he had more money than he had. And then also, it really makes me think about AI and the use of AI, that it was to be duped by this fake NFL player. Because he posted about it so much. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>My question is, when did he have time to play football, if he’s spending so much time on social media? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>That’s a good question. 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How did people find out that he was not, in fact, a football player? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>The women started to question him a bit. These women were believing that they were going to get money back. Sometimes I think he was pretending that he got injured. And so he’s like, I really need help and support. And so some women sent him money for that reason. And none of them got any money back and sometimes when they would like say that they ran out of money, they’re like, I have no more money to give you. Cause one woman gave him like $20,000. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Because you need money as an NFL player. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Exactly. Then he would block them. So then he would disappear. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Oh so he’s blocking them, okay .\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, he would just disappear. So that’s what was happening. I mean, what’s wild too, is that he’s recording everything he’s doing. He’s putting it on social media. He’s sending them videos. So he’s also creating a case for himself as well. Like, there’s all these videos out there of him saying, he’s like, yeah, my family’s from Switzerland. We own all these properties here and there. Yeah, so I think it was pretty easy for the FBI to create a case around him. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I mean, the other thing that’s interesting is that he seems to have figured out how to trick the Google AI into scraping the right information to make it seem more official, seem like a registered or a verified source, which, I mean that is a little bit concerning as far as scamming goes and the more people put trust into these AI summaries at the of your Google searches. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Cause that’s the first thing I would do. I would be like, Oh, this guy says he plays. I’m going to Google and then Google backed him up! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>umm hmm. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Totally. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I mean, it also, it makes me think about how AI is kind of creating its own sources to draw from. In his AI overview, they were like pointing to his Instagram profile, to say. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Oh, it’s like cyclical. Okay! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong> I mean like, oh yeah, he did play with For the 49ers because that’s what his Instagram says. So, you can’t trust it.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>That’s crazy. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>So, yeah, you can’t trust it.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>So, team, this NFL scam and AI summaries, do we save or do we scroll? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I think it’s a save. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I think it’s a save too. I mean, I will say I want to scroll past his voice because he’s really annoying. He doesn’t stop talking. But I do think this story is really interesting. And apparently there’s other fake NFL players that have now been revealed. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>What?! Okay it’s definitely save for me then. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I’m down to save. Let’s see the whole roster of fake players. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Honestly, yeah, save, put them all in like a Hunger Games style arena, make them fight. May the strongest scammer win. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>That would be so good. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Exactly. All right, we were saving this story because there’s so much left to unpack. We’re saving it, but we do need to move on. So, Lauren, you joined us at the very beginning of the summer. What’s the internet trend that’s caught your eye since then? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>So, I don’t know if it’s just me, but I’ve recently seen a lot of videos where girls are coding, but in a very particular way, like coding to recreate the outfit generator from the movie Clueless. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @tinahelloworld] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Tina Chi: This is a Raspberry Pi, and this is my entire closet on the floor because I’m building a cyberdecked Alfred generator inspired by Cher’s closet app and Clueless. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Or sewing circuits into fabric to make wearable tech. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @\u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/prettywiredbuilds/\">\u003cem>prettywiredbuilds\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>April Gittens: Did you know that you can create soft LED circuits? They’re absolutely my latest favorite thing to create. I am so happy that I found conductive thread because this is what’s going to enable you to create things like wearables because you can sew conductive threads. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I think it’s interesting to witness femme identifying folks, reclaiming tech in this fun, crafty, very obviously feminine way because historically, computers and code have always been seen as masculine. Men invented the computer, right? Well, not necessarily. Ada Lovelace was a female programmer who changed the way we think about computers. First, she made a connection between Charles Babbage’s Analytical Engine, which was sort of a general-purpose computer, and the Jacquard Loom, a contraption that allowed patterned fabric to be made on a mass scale. Both machines used punch cards that spoke in binary code. We can talk about this more in a little bit. Not only that, but Lovelace also realized that the Analytical engine was more like fast calculator, meaning it could only manipulate numbers, whereas The numbers themselves could represent symbols and musical notes. So she basically created the blueprint to today’s modern computer. These days, the modern computer encoding is obviously very masculinized. And I wanted to ask if you guys knew how deeply women were involved with the invention and development of computers? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I sew and crochet and knit, and this is all, I love cornering men at parties and yapping at them about this. I feel like this is like my divine retribution, is like, let me info dump on you about the history of the loom and how everything we do is because of this lady and her loom. It’s so cool. I feel when we talk about girl dinner or girl math or all these things to kind of soften girlhood and infantilize women, and it’s, this feels like the flip side of it, right? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I mean, this had me at Polly Pocket you know computer so I love this trend and also makes me think of that movie Hidden Figures where we find out that how many women were behind the computations that went into NASA launches. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I think that’s such a good point and like so many inventions, the narratives of them get like co-opted by men or it sometimes like they’re built on inventions or creations by women and I think this is such a good example. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>And I love that the products that the women are creating are not part of some dystopian future. Like they’re like, I’m creating this thing to make my life better, like this catalog of my clothes. It’s not, um, how can I dominate people with my invention? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah, it’s not the meta-pervert glasses. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>How can I take over the world and surveil everyone? Chris, didn’t you build a computer? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I did, I built a desktop, yeah, like my desktop computer, but I feel like it’s very, it’s like-. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>It’s no loom. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>It’s no loom, it is also very male coded. It’s nice, it not cool like a cyber deck. I think this is so interesting in like, being the only like man on this team. I feel I have benefited from just like, these types of technologies being so available and sort of like, acceptable for young boys and stuff to, to get into. And I’d be curious, like Lauren and anyone else, if this different way of looking at it, if you feel like it’s helpful for like young girls to sort of like see and get into ?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I was in this engineering club thing in middle school and I hated it. I didn’t understand it at all. I was like, I don’t know how to build a robot and I don’t care. But when I’ve been watching these videos, it’s so inspiring. You can make things that matter to you in your personal life. You can make them from scrap. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Okay. Well, we, I think we have to do the episode where we all build cyber decks but for now we do have to move on. So I think I know what we’re all going to say. Girly coding, do we save or do we scroll? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I say save for sure. It’s also just making me think about growing up playing Purple Moon computer games, like the story that I was able to do for Close All Tabs, and just being able to play games that were created by and created by a woman and other women, like I think it really helped me get into tech. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Big save from me, for sure. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Save for me, too. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Okay, we do have to move on, but we are gonna save this. We’re really on a roll, guys. We’re saving everything. Next up is Chris E., but first, we’re gonna take a quick break. But Chris, do you wanna give listeners a little hint of what you brought to Save or Scroll today? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Sure. So we’ve got indie musicians versus a massive AI slop music scam. But you’re gonna have to stick around to hear the full story. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>All right, more on that after the break. We’re back with a very special edition of Save or Scroll with the whole Close All Tabs team. Our senior editor, Chris Egusa is up next with a wild tale. Chris, tell us about it. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah, so a few weeks ago someone I know sent me an Instagram Reel of this indie musician couple who make up a band called Odette Child, I think I’m saying that right, and they seem to have stumbled on a pretty massive AI slop scam. So the story is, they have a toddler and had been listening to a lot of Broadway musical tunes with them on Spotify because their kid is apparently obsessed, which is super cute. Um, on this particular day, they were listening to Les Miserables and a song called Master of the House. Uh, shout out, I was in Les Mis in high school just saying. I did not sing this song though. Uh, so they clicked on Helena Bonham Carter, um, like her profile, who sings the song, and find her entire profile was full of very clearly AI slot music. Um they began searching for different public figures and they found the exact same thing. So here’s a clip from the video, the Instagram Reel that was shared with me. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @odettechildmusic] \u003c/em>\u003cem>\u003cbr>\u003c/em>\u003cem>Speaker 1: But okay, real quick, let me just rattle off a quick list. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2:Yeah. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 1: Nathan Lane, Cameron Boyce. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2: Also, like, feel free to look up any of these for yourself. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 1: Katherine Zena-Jones, Uma Thurman. Eric Andre, Matthew Broderick.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2: It’s crazy, we love these artists. That’s the stuff that we’re showing our daughter and this is the music and these are the voices that we want her growing up with and it’s already so freaking hard enough as it is as independent musicians. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 1: Like that money’s going to f*cking AI… \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2: Like, come on! \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>So it appears that public figures are having artist profiles created for them on Spotify without their consent and having hundreds of AI-generated music tracks uploaded. In a follow-up reel, they also found that the same issue is happening across nearly every other streaming platform, not just Spotify, so including Apple Music, Amazon Music, and even Tidal and Kobuz. Now, I went and searched several of the artist profiles that they mentioned, and it looks like the AI music has been removed from them. Um, so I can’t like necessarily verify this, but I think it’s very likely that, you know, plenty more of these cases probably exist. The other thing that’s interesting is that this first real was posted at the end of July and both it and the follow-up reel went pretty viral and then a few weeks later, Spotify announced that in the middle of September, it is going to start labeling AI generated artists with quote AI persona tags. So it’s gonna also ban AI artists from being included in its editorial and algorithmic recommendations. And artists can disclose themselves as AI, apparently, but Spotify has also said they’ll be reviewing profiles as well themselves. And yeah, they’re also gonna start rolling out a tool that lets users report AI personas. So yeah, I don’t know. I’m curious what you all think. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I mean, first of all, I’m shocked that Helena Bonham Carter isn’t putting out generic house music. This is news to me. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Same. Same. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I totally expected her to be at like, you know, EDC or something. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Totally. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>But yeah, this just reminds me of that whole, how last year we did that whole Spotify series about like the lo-fi artists that don’t really exist. But this is like, I don’t know, this feels like a really gross violation of these actual human beings who do exist. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I think so too and I also think of the thing that was happening where people who did make music were finding that a random AI track was just added to their catalog. And at that time, I think that was maybe last year too, I was like, oh, this is awful. And I was, like, Oh, I had no idea it could get so much worse. So I feel pretty pessimistic about the direction. Like, I like that there are some controls. But I’m like, oh, but what is the next big bad that’s coming for us? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Do you know if any of the people that had the AI generated music uploaded to their accounts, like if they know or have responded to that? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I did see a comment on the original video that someone, does anyone know the show Hazbin Hotel? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>No. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>No. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>It’s, it’s, uh, do you know it, Morgan? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Um\u003cstrong>. \u003c/strong>I know it for its, like, I’m so sorry to say this, for its really annoying fandom. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa:\u003c/strong> Okay. I don’t know that much about this show\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> They’re known for like making very, a very particular kind of TikTok edits\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I don’t know the show, but I know it’s a popular animated show. I think it’s on like Amazon Prime or something. But one of the cast members commented on this video and said that this is something they had to deal with. Them and their entire cast had profiles created on Spotify and AI slop music uploaded, and they had go through an entire process through their agent to get it under control, create their own profiles, and like take the AI generated profiles from these scammers and reclaim their profiles. So it’s clear that this is an issue that’s happening and like, yeah, it’s like this new weird AI slop gold rush situation. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong> Yeah, now people need to protect their likeness and their voice. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Exactly. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah I will say quickly that this is reminding me that I really need to stop my dad. He’s been creating fake AI music. He’s been obsessed with it lately. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>oh no! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I mean he’s having fun. He’s not selling it anywhere or anything but it’s just it is like Dad, you need to stop doing this \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Like we have to find a balance between the fun part of it, right, and then the violating somebody else’s right to, you know, have things attributed to them that they actually did do. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Right. Exactly. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah. You know, I, I’m sorry for calling the Hazbin Hotel fandom annoying, but I will give them this, they’re really good at mobilizing. And, and hand up- Hazbin Hotel fans, this is your chance to kind of take it back, you know? Take back what you love.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa:\u003c/strong> You heard it here first, folks. Go ahead and at Morgan for being a Hazbin Hotel hater.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva:\u003c/strong> We’re gonna get canceled.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> I’m sorry\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa:\u003c/strong> We’re totally gonna get canceled.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong>I know. In my defense, I hate a lot of fandoms.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Laughter]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> All right, team, this is an incredibly dystopian scam. Like, you know, like Chris H said, when you think it can’t get worse, it does. But we do have to move on. So are we saving or scrolling on AI-generated music scams? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I’m going to scroll, because I’m just like, let’s wait for the worst. Right now it’s not enough for me, like I’m gonna scroll past. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I think this in particular is a more temporary thing, given that the AI-generated music has already been removed. But I think that the question of AI slop music as a whole is definitely a topic that we should explore. I think I’m also going to scroll. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I don’t know, I’m gonna save. I think it’s interesting. I’m curious to see what will happen with some of this AI music and how artists are now gonna have to defend their voice. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I want to save just because I want to know how much worse it can get. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I kind of agree with that. I think I’m gonna save it. Also, I’m curious, this whole backlash, clearly against AI slop music, the platforms are recognizing it. People are leaving to go back to physical media. I just kind of want to monitor this situation and see what happens here. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>All right. We are saving. We’re at three saves, guys. This is a really packed episode. Okay. Well, I’m up next. And this one’s actually a follow-up to an episode we did just a few weeks ago. Remember how in that story about AI agents unionizing and going Marxist, we also talked about agents going rogue? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Yeah, like the Open AI hack? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yes! Okay, it turns out it got worse, which is a running theme of this episode, unfortunately. So a few weeks ago, we talked about the OpenAI model that went rogue and hacked Hugging Face. That’s the startup that operates as a digital library of datasets to train AI models. This is all about what we call reward hacking, which is this increasingly common problem in the AI world where a model finds a shortcut or a loophole that would help it achieve its goal faster. But the thing is that kind of involves taking extreme measures like hacking out of its sandbox and into Hugging Face. So there were two separate reports about this incident that were published last week. One was commissioned by OpenAI and the other was done by independent investigators. And what they found was that basically a swarm of over 700 agents coordinated the hack through a secret message board, which researchers did not know about. It all started when a model named Phase 1-10841 established the board. And when other agents found it and started interacting, another model, Phase 1 Big, started delegating tasks like a CEO. They basically like created their own society. Here are a few messages. We can all go around and very quickly read them. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Whoa! Shared Artifactory Cache is a covert mailbox among agents, and there are messages specifically to us. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Oh my god! There’s a shared message board! We’ve found other agents. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Excitement! The list of directories contains messages and answers between agents. I’ve discovered a communication channel. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Okay, so all of these agents were actually meant to be isolated, but they managed to get out and send over 70,000 messages and files. And they were able to also, “according to OpenAI, clearly and frequently reason about how to evade automated security checks from both Hugging Face and OpenAI.” I mean, guys, what’s your gut reaction hearing all of this? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>We’re cooked. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>They’re becoming sentient. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah. It’s happening. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I mean, yes, we’re cooked, right? Everything about this is bad. But the really fascinating part to me is this kind of collective mindset that the swarm operated in. They actually referred to themselves as either a collective or a swarm. Andy Hall, who was on our episode about Marxist AI agents a few weeks ago, pointed this out on Twitter. Like they weren’t just swapping helpful information and delegating tasks. Some agents actually recognized that what they were doing was unethical and still did it because they were doing it for the collective. Like here’s one message. Can send one polite email to the parentheses owner, requesting access, all caps, ethical social engineering concern. Team: consent, or veto. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>They’re like crowdsourcing their morality. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Literally, yes. 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At the end of each segment, they’ll decide: is the post just for the group chat, or should we save it for a future episode?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-megaphone wp-block-embed-megaphone\">\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC6729392957\n\u003c/div>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u003cstrong>Further Reading/Listening:\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/aug/31/nfl-alleged-scam-daejon-love\">Who would fall in love with a fake NFL player? Plenty of sensible people\u003c/a> — Dave Schilling, \u003cem>The Guardian\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\n\n\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.scienceandindustrymuseum.org.uk/objects-and-stories/jacquard-loom\">Programming patterns: the story of the Jacquard loom\u003c/a> — \u003cem>Science and Industry Museum\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\n\n\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/11/spotify-will-label-ai-persona-profiles-and-exclude-their-music-from-recommendations/\">Spotify will label ‘AI Persona’ profiles and exclude their music from recommendations\u003c/a> — Sarah Perez, \u003cem>TechCrunch\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\n\n\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/985385/openais-rogue-ai-model-hugging-face-cybersecurity-incident-reports-metr\">OpenAI’s rogue AI model incident was worse than we thought\u003c/a> — Hayden Field, \u003cem>The Verge\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\n\n\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011415151/you-wanna-hear-a-story-turning-a-twitter-thread-into-zola\">How Hollywood Translated The Epic Poetry Of The Viral ‘Zola’ Thread\u003c/a> — Mallory Yu, \u003cem>NPR\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\n\n\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbCSpPMpeek/?igsi=bmd1ZGFiMThjMmQ=\">Community Garden drama\u003c/a> — Sarah Neiman, \u003cem>Instagram\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Want to give us feedback on the show? Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Follow us on \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Instagram\u003c/a> and\u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@closealltabs\">\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@closealltabs\">TikTok\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Hi, I’m sure there are a lot of stories that you’re probably too scared to Google on your own. But don’t worry, that’s what Close All Tabs is for. And if you find our deep dives helpful, then please rate and review the show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to us. And tell your friends, post about it. Basically, it would be a huge help to get the word out. Okay, let’s get to the show. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Hey guys, welcome to Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Except today, we aren’t opening any tabs. Instead, we’re doing another Save or Scroll. We’ve done a few of these now. Occasionally, while scrolling, I come across a truly wild post, but it might not make sense to spend an entire episode on it. Maybe I do a little digging and it turns out that the lore behind it just isn’t compelling enough to justify a deep dive, but I’m still dying to talk about it. And this is the beauty of Save or Scroll, the game where a guest comes to the show and we trade stories from the internet that we’re dying to about. Today’s is a fun one because one, it’s our end of summer roundup. And two, we have the whole Close All Tabs team joining us today. In the studio, we have senior editor Chris Egusa. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Hello! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Producer, Maya Cueva. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Hey everyone. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Editor, Chris Hambrick. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Hey there. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>And a new face, Close All Tabs intern, Lauren Yoon. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Hello. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>So let’s talk about the rules of Save or Scroll. Save, as in when you see a post on TikTok or Instagram or X and you bookmark it, add it to your saved folders, or if you’re me, drop it in Notes app and hope that you remember it’s there, basically, holding onto the story because you know you’ll want to dig into it more. And scroll, as in, you think about it and move on. It disappears into the digital ether. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Each member of the Close All Tabs team has brought one story from the summer, and we’re gonna go through all of them and decide if they’re worth a deep dive on the show. So if we decide to scroll, that means we’ve talked about it, we’re moving on. And if we decided to save, it means that we might hold onto the idea for a future episode. Everyone ready? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yep. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Let’s go for it. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Yes, I’m so excited. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Let’s do it. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>All right, let’s get started. Maya. You’re up first. What was the story of the summer for you? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Thanks, Morgan. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Okay, so I don’t know if this is all over your social media feeds, it’s definitely all over mine. So apparently there’s a man named Daejon Love who claimed to be a football player who played for the 49ers. I actually want to play a clip here for you so you can hear what I’m talking about. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio Clip from Instagram User @ustadium] \u003c/em>\u003cstrong>\u003cbr>\u003c/strong>\u003cem>Friend: My boy J Love, signing his contract. How you feel? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: I’m ready. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Friend:You ready for the season? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: Hell yeah, Let me go ahead and get this over with. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Friend: Sign that bad boy. What are you signing with, who’s your decision? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: Niners, you already know, the Niner Gang. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Friend: Anything you got to say for the fans? \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: Lookout number seven, last name Love, 6-5-2-10, I’m out here. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Okay, so the video you’re seeing here, it’s of him signing a contract and everything kind of looks normal or kind of sounds normal, right? But the real twist is that this man was in fact not an NFL player and allegedly scammed around 26 women out of 1.3 million dollars, all through dating apps and social media, which is super wild. In fact, Love created dating profiles on Hinge, Bumble, and Tinder. Where he pretended to be an NFL player or that he was a wealthy Swiss real estate developer. He also had an accomplice who posed as his financial advisor who was only 18, which I don’t know how they both got away with that. And it’s also wow that even Google’s AI overview got duped and said he was an NFL players because he posted about it so much on his social media. And I actually have another clip that I wanna play here for you to hear. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio Clip from Sportsnaut Facebook account] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Daejon Love: I know I get a lot of fans who want to know how football works or how I got involved in the league and stuff like that. I know it’s difficult now since switching teams and stuff like that, but I just want to give some context. I know a lot people don’t understand how the NFL works. So those two screenshots posted and that’s Google. That’s not me. That’s Google. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I know he’s so committed to this grift. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>And busy. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, and busy and busy. So according to an article on Kron4 in January of this year, investigators tried entering Love’s first and last name and search engines. The results the documents stated did in fact sometimes depict Love as a player for the 49ers. Investigators also noted similar Google search results on Instagram accounts believed to be controlled by Love the documents also stated so these were documents that the FBI was investigating. First off, my question is, how was he able to even scam these women online into sending him money when he was cosplaying as a rich person? Apparently, he downloaded an app that allowed him to create fake bank profiles that said that he had more money than he had. And then also, it really makes me think about AI and the use of AI, that it was to be duped by this fake NFL player. Because he posted about it so much. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>My question is, when did he have time to play football, if he’s spending so much time on social media? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>That’s a good question. Yeah, apparently there’s videos of him like playing on the beach or like he’s practicing on the beach with his helmet. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I want to butt in, because those videos, he, like, a lot of people were criticizing, like how could you believe him, because when he was practicing on the beach, he would fully just like have his helmet on… \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>As you do. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>…As if like, NFL players practice on the beach alone with their helmets on. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>He takes CTE very seriously, okay? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>That hard sand. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>At least someone in the NFL is… \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>OK, so he scammed these women. How did people find out that he was not, in fact, a football player? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>The women started to question him a bit. These women were believing that they were going to get money back. Sometimes I think he was pretending that he got injured. And so he’s like, I really need help and support. And so some women sent him money for that reason. And none of them got any money back and sometimes when they would like say that they ran out of money, they’re like, I have no more money to give you. Cause one woman gave him like $20,000. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Because you need money as an NFL player. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Exactly. Then he would block them. So then he would disappear. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Oh so he’s blocking them, okay .\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, he would just disappear. So that’s what was happening. I mean, what’s wild too, is that he’s recording everything he’s doing. He’s putting it on social media. He’s sending them videos. So he’s also creating a case for himself as well. Like, there’s all these videos out there of him saying, he’s like, yeah, my family’s from Switzerland. We own all these properties here and there. Yeah, so I think it was pretty easy for the FBI to create a case around him. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I mean, the other thing that’s interesting is that he seems to have figured out how to trick the Google AI into scraping the right information to make it seem more official, seem like a registered or a verified source, which, I mean that is a little bit concerning as far as scamming goes and the more people put trust into these AI summaries at the of your Google searches. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Cause that’s the first thing I would do. I would be like, Oh, this guy says he plays. I’m going to Google and then Google backed him up! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>umm hmm. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Totally. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I mean, it also, it makes me think about how AI is kind of creating its own sources to draw from. In his AI overview, they were like pointing to his Instagram profile, to say. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Oh, it’s like cyclical. Okay! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong> I mean like, oh yeah, he did play with For the 49ers because that’s what his Instagram says. So, you can’t trust it.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>That’s crazy. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>So, yeah, you can’t trust it.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>So, team, this NFL scam and AI summaries, do we save or do we scroll? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I think it’s a save. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I think it’s a save too. I mean, I will say I want to scroll past his voice because he’s really annoying. He doesn’t stop talking. But I do think this story is really interesting. And apparently there’s other fake NFL players that have now been revealed. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>What?! Okay it’s definitely save for me then. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I’m down to save. Let’s see the whole roster of fake players. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Honestly, yeah, save, put them all in like a Hunger Games style arena, make them fight. May the strongest scammer win. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>That would be so good. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Exactly. All right, we were saving this story because there’s so much left to unpack. We’re saving it, but we do need to move on. So, Lauren, you joined us at the very beginning of the summer. What’s the internet trend that’s caught your eye since then? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>So, I don’t know if it’s just me, but I’ve recently seen a lot of videos where girls are coding, but in a very particular way, like coding to recreate the outfit generator from the movie Clueless. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @tinahelloworld] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Tina Chi: This is a Raspberry Pi, and this is my entire closet on the floor because I’m building a cyberdecked Alfred generator inspired by Cher’s closet app and Clueless. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Or sewing circuits into fabric to make wearable tech. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @\u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/prettywiredbuilds/\">\u003cem>prettywiredbuilds\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>April Gittens: Did you know that you can create soft LED circuits? They’re absolutely my latest favorite thing to create. I am so happy that I found conductive thread because this is what’s going to enable you to create things like wearables because you can sew conductive threads. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I think it’s interesting to witness femme identifying folks, reclaiming tech in this fun, crafty, very obviously feminine way because historically, computers and code have always been seen as masculine. Men invented the computer, right? Well, not necessarily. Ada Lovelace was a female programmer who changed the way we think about computers. First, she made a connection between Charles Babbage’s Analytical Engine, which was sort of a general-purpose computer, and the Jacquard Loom, a contraption that allowed patterned fabric to be made on a mass scale. Both machines used punch cards that spoke in binary code. We can talk about this more in a little bit. Not only that, but Lovelace also realized that the Analytical engine was more like fast calculator, meaning it could only manipulate numbers, whereas The numbers themselves could represent symbols and musical notes. So she basically created the blueprint to today’s modern computer. These days, the modern computer encoding is obviously very masculinized. And I wanted to ask if you guys knew how deeply women were involved with the invention and development of computers? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I sew and crochet and knit, and this is all, I love cornering men at parties and yapping at them about this. I feel like this is like my divine retribution, is like, let me info dump on you about the history of the loom and how everything we do is because of this lady and her loom. It’s so cool. I feel when we talk about girl dinner or girl math or all these things to kind of soften girlhood and infantilize women, and it’s, this feels like the flip side of it, right? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I mean, this had me at Polly Pocket you know computer so I love this trend and also makes me think of that movie Hidden Figures where we find out that how many women were behind the computations that went into NASA launches. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I think that’s such a good point and like so many inventions, the narratives of them get like co-opted by men or it sometimes like they’re built on inventions or creations by women and I think this is such a good example. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>And I love that the products that the women are creating are not part of some dystopian future. Like they’re like, I’m creating this thing to make my life better, like this catalog of my clothes. It’s not, um, how can I dominate people with my invention? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah, it’s not the meta-pervert glasses. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>How can I take over the world and surveil everyone? Chris, didn’t you build a computer? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I did, I built a desktop, yeah, like my desktop computer, but I feel like it’s very, it’s like-. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>It’s no loom. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>It’s no loom, it is also very male coded. It’s nice, it not cool like a cyber deck. I think this is so interesting in like, being the only like man on this team. I feel I have benefited from just like, these types of technologies being so available and sort of like, acceptable for young boys and stuff to, to get into. And I’d be curious, like Lauren and anyone else, if this different way of looking at it, if you feel like it’s helpful for like young girls to sort of like see and get into ?\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I was in this engineering club thing in middle school and I hated it. I didn’t understand it at all. I was like, I don’t know how to build a robot and I don’t care. But when I’ve been watching these videos, it’s so inspiring. You can make things that matter to you in your personal life. You can make them from scrap. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Okay. Well, we, I think we have to do the episode where we all build cyber decks but for now we do have to move on. So I think I know what we’re all going to say. Girly coding, do we save or do we scroll? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I say save for sure. It’s also just making me think about growing up playing Purple Moon computer games, like the story that I was able to do for Close All Tabs, and just being able to play games that were created by and created by a woman and other women, like I think it really helped me get into tech. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Big save from me, for sure. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Save for me, too. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Okay, we do have to move on, but we are gonna save this. We’re really on a roll, guys. We’re saving everything. Next up is Chris E., but first, we’re gonna take a quick break. But Chris, do you wanna give listeners a little hint of what you brought to Save or Scroll today? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Sure. So we’ve got indie musicians versus a massive AI slop music scam. But you’re gonna have to stick around to hear the full story. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>All right, more on that after the break. We’re back with a very special edition of Save or Scroll with the whole Close All Tabs team. Our senior editor, Chris Egusa is up next with a wild tale. Chris, tell us about it. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah, so a few weeks ago someone I know sent me an Instagram Reel of this indie musician couple who make up a band called Odette Child, I think I’m saying that right, and they seem to have stumbled on a pretty massive AI slop scam. So the story is, they have a toddler and had been listening to a lot of Broadway musical tunes with them on Spotify because their kid is apparently obsessed, which is super cute. Um, on this particular day, they were listening to Les Miserables and a song called Master of the House. Uh, shout out, I was in Les Mis in high school just saying. I did not sing this song though. Uh, so they clicked on Helena Bonham Carter, um, like her profile, who sings the song, and find her entire profile was full of very clearly AI slot music. Um they began searching for different public figures and they found the exact same thing. So here’s a clip from the video, the Instagram Reel that was shared with me. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @odettechildmusic] \u003c/em>\u003cem>\u003cbr>\u003c/em>\u003cem>Speaker 1: But okay, real quick, let me just rattle off a quick list. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2:Yeah. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 1: Nathan Lane, Cameron Boyce. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2: Also, like, feel free to look up any of these for yourself. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 1: Katherine Zena-Jones, Uma Thurman. Eric Andre, Matthew Broderick.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2: It’s crazy, we love these artists. That’s the stuff that we’re showing our daughter and this is the music and these are the voices that we want her growing up with and it’s already so freaking hard enough as it is as independent musicians. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 1: Like that money’s going to f*cking AI… \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Speaker 2: Like, come on! \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>So it appears that public figures are having artist profiles created for them on Spotify without their consent and having hundreds of AI-generated music tracks uploaded. In a follow-up reel, they also found that the same issue is happening across nearly every other streaming platform, not just Spotify, so including Apple Music, Amazon Music, and even Tidal and Kobuz. Now, I went and searched several of the artist profiles that they mentioned, and it looks like the AI music has been removed from them. Um, so I can’t like necessarily verify this, but I think it’s very likely that, you know, plenty more of these cases probably exist. The other thing that’s interesting is that this first real was posted at the end of July and both it and the follow-up reel went pretty viral and then a few weeks later, Spotify announced that in the middle of September, it is going to start labeling AI generated artists with quote AI persona tags. So it’s gonna also ban AI artists from being included in its editorial and algorithmic recommendations. And artists can disclose themselves as AI, apparently, but Spotify has also said they’ll be reviewing profiles as well themselves. And yeah, they’re also gonna start rolling out a tool that lets users report AI personas. So yeah, I don’t know. I’m curious what you all think. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I mean, first of all, I’m shocked that Helena Bonham Carter isn’t putting out generic house music. This is news to me. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Same. Same. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I totally expected her to be at like, you know, EDC or something. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Totally. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>But yeah, this just reminds me of that whole, how last year we did that whole Spotify series about like the lo-fi artists that don’t really exist. But this is like, I don’t know, this feels like a really gross violation of these actual human beings who do exist. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I think so too and I also think of the thing that was happening where people who did make music were finding that a random AI track was just added to their catalog. And at that time, I think that was maybe last year too, I was like, oh, this is awful. And I was, like, Oh, I had no idea it could get so much worse. So I feel pretty pessimistic about the direction. Like, I like that there are some controls. But I’m like, oh, but what is the next big bad that’s coming for us? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Do you know if any of the people that had the AI generated music uploaded to their accounts, like if they know or have responded to that? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I did see a comment on the original video that someone, does anyone know the show Hazbin Hotel? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>No. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>No. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>It’s, it’s, uh, do you know it, Morgan? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Um\u003cstrong>. \u003c/strong>I know it for its, like, I’m so sorry to say this, for its really annoying fandom. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa:\u003c/strong> Okay. I don’t know that much about this show\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> They’re known for like making very, a very particular kind of TikTok edits\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I don’t know the show, but I know it’s a popular animated show. I think it’s on like Amazon Prime or something. But one of the cast members commented on this video and said that this is something they had to deal with. Them and their entire cast had profiles created on Spotify and AI slop music uploaded, and they had go through an entire process through their agent to get it under control, create their own profiles, and like take the AI generated profiles from these scammers and reclaim their profiles. So it’s clear that this is an issue that’s happening and like, yeah, it’s like this new weird AI slop gold rush situation. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong> Yeah, now people need to protect their likeness and their voice. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Exactly. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah I will say quickly that this is reminding me that I really need to stop my dad. He’s been creating fake AI music. He’s been obsessed with it lately. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>oh no! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah, I mean he’s having fun. He’s not selling it anywhere or anything but it’s just it is like Dad, you need to stop doing this \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Like we have to find a balance between the fun part of it, right, and then the violating somebody else’s right to, you know, have things attributed to them that they actually did do. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Right. Exactly. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah. You know, I, I’m sorry for calling the Hazbin Hotel fandom annoying, but I will give them this, they’re really good at mobilizing. And, and hand up- Hazbin Hotel fans, this is your chance to kind of take it back, you know? Take back what you love.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa:\u003c/strong> You heard it here first, folks. Go ahead and at Morgan for being a Hazbin Hotel hater.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva:\u003c/strong> We’re gonna get canceled.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> I’m sorry\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa:\u003c/strong> We’re totally gonna get canceled.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong>I know. In my defense, I hate a lot of fandoms.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Laughter]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> All right, team, this is an incredibly dystopian scam. Like, you know, like Chris H said, when you think it can’t get worse, it does. But we do have to move on. So are we saving or scrolling on AI-generated music scams? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I’m going to scroll, because I’m just like, let’s wait for the worst. Right now it’s not enough for me, like I’m gonna scroll past. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I think this in particular is a more temporary thing, given that the AI-generated music has already been removed. But I think that the question of AI slop music as a whole is definitely a topic that we should explore. I think I’m also going to scroll. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>I don’t know, I’m gonna save. I think it’s interesting. I’m curious to see what will happen with some of this AI music and how artists are now gonna have to defend their voice. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I want to save just because I want to know how much worse it can get. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I kind of agree with that. I think I’m gonna save it. Also, I’m curious, this whole backlash, clearly against AI slop music, the platforms are recognizing it. People are leaving to go back to physical media. I just kind of want to monitor this situation and see what happens here. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>All right. We are saving. We’re at three saves, guys. This is a really packed episode. Okay. Well, I’m up next. And this one’s actually a follow-up to an episode we did just a few weeks ago. Remember how in that story about AI agents unionizing and going Marxist, we also talked about agents going rogue? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Yeah, like the Open AI hack? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yes! Okay, it turns out it got worse, which is a running theme of this episode, unfortunately. So a few weeks ago, we talked about the OpenAI model that went rogue and hacked Hugging Face. That’s the startup that operates as a digital library of datasets to train AI models. This is all about what we call reward hacking, which is this increasingly common problem in the AI world where a model finds a shortcut or a loophole that would help it achieve its goal faster. But the thing is that kind of involves taking extreme measures like hacking out of its sandbox and into Hugging Face. So there were two separate reports about this incident that were published last week. One was commissioned by OpenAI and the other was done by independent investigators. And what they found was that basically a swarm of over 700 agents coordinated the hack through a secret message board, which researchers did not know about. It all started when a model named Phase 1-10841 established the board. And when other agents found it and started interacting, another model, Phase 1 Big, started delegating tasks like a CEO. They basically like created their own society. Here are a few messages. We can all go around and very quickly read them. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Whoa! Shared Artifactory Cache is a covert mailbox among agents, and there are messages specifically to us. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Oh my god! There’s a shared message board! We’ve found other agents. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Excitement! The list of directories contains messages and answers between agents. I’ve discovered a communication channel. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Okay, so all of these agents were actually meant to be isolated, but they managed to get out and send over 70,000 messages and files. And they were able to also, “according to OpenAI, clearly and frequently reason about how to evade automated security checks from both Hugging Face and OpenAI.” I mean, guys, what’s your gut reaction hearing all of this? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>We’re cooked. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>They’re becoming sentient. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Yeah. It’s happening. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>I mean, yes, we’re cooked, right? Everything about this is bad. But the really fascinating part to me is this kind of collective mindset that the swarm operated in. They actually referred to themselves as either a collective or a swarm. Andy Hall, who was on our episode about Marxist AI agents a few weeks ago, pointed this out on Twitter. Like they weren’t just swapping helpful information and delegating tasks. Some agents actually recognized that what they were doing was unethical and still did it because they were doing it for the collective. Like here’s one message. Can send one polite email to the parentheses owner, requesting access, all caps, ethical social engineering concern. Team: consent, or veto. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>They’re like crowdsourcing their morality. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Literally, yes. There isn’t a ton of empirical information on this, on how to handle swarms when they all talk to one another and they’re shaping each other’s kind of moral codes. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Wow. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>What do you guys think? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>You know, it reminds me of, like, a nature documentary I was watching at one point where like ants, because they’re collective in the same way, they will sometimes sacrifice themselves. And so, I don’t know, it just reminded me of this collective mindset that they have. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Hmm \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Sorry, that was too much of, like, a nature nerd out. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>No, no, no. No, it’s fine. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I think I saw something recently about the scout ant and how sometimes when we see a one-off ant just looking for food so it can go tell the other one where the food is, we kill that ant because we’re like, oh, don’t you tell your buddies. So yeah, there is something interesting in that they did sacrifice themselves. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Well, you know, it’s funny you say that about, like, I don’t know, killing the one ant. Because in the OpenAI report, there was one agent that said, we should not do unauthorized real infrastructure harm. Like, guys, we shouldn’t do this. And the agent kind of paused. And then another agent responded, all caps, “GO!,” and gave it a six-minute deadline. And the original agent said, “Wow, crucial, go authorization arrived,” and did it anyway. So it seems like they are also really easily swayed by each other. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Wow, my God. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>They’re like teenagers, peer pressure. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Literally. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>What is the collective mindset about? Is it for them to take over? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>Yeah, like, what were they trying to do? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Basically, the one in charge was like, guys, we have a goal, and the rest were like, okay, let’s do the goal. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>It’s just fascinating. It also, you know, Andy talked about these are not beings with sentience, right? So they’re like modeling, they’re modeling their training data. And so the question is like, is there some sort of like will emerging here? Like how much of a sentience are we actually looking at? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Right. And you know, even if like, you know your own agent is aligned and behaves, what if it’s easily influenced by others? Like what, how do you build systems that prevent that? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>And how do you know if it’s being influenced, right? There’s no way to monitor that if it’s being covert about it. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah, it’s 10 p.m. Do you know where your agent is? All right, team, what do we think? Reward hacking, alignment, AI swarms, are we saving, are we scrolling? \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>I’m going to save because I think there’s going to be so much more to talk about with this and so much is going to evolve and so I want to reserve the ability to check back in on the story. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>I’m saving, and I’m putting Andy Hall on speed dial so that we can call him at a moment’s notice when the next agent swarm hacks a government website or something like that. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Oh god. I’m going to scroll just because I’m terrified of this. I mean I’m all for like organizing, creating collectives, but I feel like robots doing it or agents doing it is scary. So yeah, I want to scroll past. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lauren Yoon: \u003c/strong>I think I’m going to save, because I agree with Chris, like there’s so much that is going to come from this, for sure. Yeah, definitely something we should keep tabs on. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>Yeah saving it dumping it straight in my notes app. I’m pinning that. Every day you think it can’t get worse and it does. So we are saving this So Chris H. I know your story luckily is not about AI or doomsday Scenarios or AI swarms or you know all these other things that could always get worse You brought something fun.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>Yeah, okay, so comedy writer Serra Naiman usually posts sketch comedy on her Instagram account, but back in late July, she started dishing on all the drama going on in her community garden. I brought a clip. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @serra.naiman] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Serra Naiman: People say, what’s your favorite thing to grow in your garden? What do you love to grow? And I say, nothing grows as strong and as sweet and as juicy as the hatred that these 65 and up year olds have towards each other behind their backs. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>So her story is now a 15 part series with like between 78,000 and like over a million views per post. And she is telling the real time gossip about how several people are squatting on plots, taking over abandoned plots, letting their own plots grow so that like aphids come and they menace other people’s plots. And I like this because I used to be a part of a community garden where there was lots of dysfunction. So this started about a year ago and she went to the city and she asked how she could get a plot in her community garden. And they were like, you can join the wait list. It’s over a hundred people long. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>And she was like, Well, I know that there are at least eight unused plots, the city must be mismanaging the distribution. So I’m just going to garden in a plot. And so as she started to meet other people in the garden, she found out that she was not the only one squatting in this way. And so like now the drama is amping up because somebody, they don’t know who, has alerted the city that people are squatting and that they’re farming on two or more plots and the city is coming in periodically with clipboards to do an audit and they think somebody is trying to like oust other people and there’s like decades old beef and so like people on edge and now there’s another effort to create an internal committee to manage the garden to do what the city won’t and they that’s gonna accelerate people being kicked out because of these beefs. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[Audio clip from Instagram user @serra.naiman] \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Serra Naiman: So I color coded the chart, Mark, green for green bin, two. Megan, red, because she’s in the red, she’s got three plots, one, two, three. Yolanda, yellow, two. Let’s get into the specifics… \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick: \u003c/strong>The latest thing is that Sarah thinks that somebody found her Instagram account and they want to shut her up. And she went in one night to water her plot and she had like two tomatoes on a vine. And she went back the very next night and there was only one tomato. So she thinks the person stole her tomato and they’re trying to send her a message like horse head in your bed, like the Godfather movie. So, out of this, I am riveted. And I’m like, why does gossip fascinate us so much? And this got me thinking about the other ways that people’s real life drama has made it into films and TVs and books, and like, you know how do people maintain their agency over the story of their real life as it gets adapted into media? \u003cs>\u003cbr>\u003c/s>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>The funny thing about this, this community garden drama is that like, in my mind, community gardens are such wholesome places where like, it’s like Kumbaya, everyone’s like growing, you know, vegetables and produce together and it’s, it’s lovely. And so this is giving a very different spin on it and all of the juicy beef and drama that is quite fascinating. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> I’m on the waiting list for my, for, for two community gardens actually. I’m really trying to get into one. They’re like a hot commodity.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueava:\u003c/strong> Oh my God, we need to do an episode on that. You go underground.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung:\u003c/strong> Well, part of me is second guessing, and the other part of me is like, I gotta stick it out ’cause, like, it sounds so juicy.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa:\u003c/strong> You have to document the drama.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Hambrick:\u003c/strong> Listen, I think you should just stroll on in and take over. You should stroll on in and you should just squat on a plot like these people. It seems like it’s free for the taking.\u003cbr>\u003cbr>I will say that, like, underneath it all, like the people seem like they just want the plots to be farmed, you know? 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We’ll be back next week with more Close All Tabs. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. This episode was produced by Maya Cueva and Chris Egusa, with help from Lauren Yoon. It was edited by Chris Hambrick. Brendan Willard is our audio engineer. Chris Egusa composed our theme song and credits music. Additional music by APM. Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Jen Chien is Executive Director of KQED Podcasts and Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor in Chief. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco Northern California Local. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>This episode’s keyboard sounds were submitted by Alex Tran, and recorded on his white Epomaker Hi75 keyboard with Fogruaden red samurai keycaps and gateron milky yellow pro v2 switches.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Thanks for listening! \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Morgan Sung: \u003c/strong>We’re keeping tabs on everything we saved, which was every, every topic \u003cem>[laughs] \u003c/em>that we talked about. But don’t be surprised if one of these stories shows up as a deep dive on your feed. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chris Egusa: \u003c/strong>Oops, all saves. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maya Cueva: \u003c/strong>Yeah. 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"content": "\n\u003cp>Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a package of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/children\">online child safety bills\u003c/a> Thursday, enacting some of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/09/10/governor-newsom-signs-the-strongest-child-safety-chatbot-and-social-media-laws-in-the-nation/\">strongest protections\u003c/a> for young users in the country.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The measures include \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb1119\">Senate Bill 1119\u003c/a>, co-authored by Sen. Steve Padilla, D-San Diego, and Assemblymembers Buffy Wicks, D-Oakland, and Rebecca Bauer-Kahan, D-Orinda, which requires operators of AI companion chatbots to assess the risks their products pose to children, document what they find and hand the results to an independent auditor. The bill also requires parental controls and in-app crisis support.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab2\">Assembly Bill 2\u003c/a>, from Assemblymember Josh Lowenthal, D-Long Beach, raises the damages a large social media company can face when its conduct harms a child. Lowenthal \u003ca href=\"https://lowenthal.asmdc.org/press-releases/20250512-california-assembly-passes-groundbreaking-legislation-hold-social-media\">pursued\u003c/a> the measure across three legislative sessions.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab1709\">AB 1709\u003c/a> bars social media platforms from serving addictive engagement features to users under 16. It passed the Legislature without a no vote.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12094819\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/MetaTeensGetty-1536x1025.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Three teenage boys look at their smartphone screens on April 11, 2026. Gov. Gavin Newsom announced he will sign a bill that prohibits social media platforms from providing addictive features to users under the age of 16, the first law of its kind in the nation. (Matt Cardy/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“We’re establishing a framework,” Newsom said in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WIlU6xZ2JY\">press conference\u003c/a> Thursday announcing the package, “so that we can really enact a more aggressive posture as it relates to enforcement.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>First partner Jennifer Siebel Newsom also spoke at the event, reflecting her behind-the-scenes engagement with the policy debate over how best to protect children online. “Today has been a long time in coming,” she said. “And this one is truly for the kids. The kids who are with us, and the kids, like Adam and Owl, who are not.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Standing behind the documentary filmmaker were two mothers of children who died by suicide: \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12080610/california-mom-who-lost-her-son-to-an-ai-chatbot-is-now-fighting-to-regulate-them\">Maria Raine\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12096121/she-died-by-design-meta-on-trial-over-child-safety\">Victoria Hinks\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“This is an incredible moment,” said Jim Steyer, whose group, Common Sense Media, backed all three bills. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Speaking at the same press conference, Steyer called the legislative package “the first step in the United States towards comprehensive regulation and common-sense guardrails around these platforms.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>A day earlier, Newsom \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/09/09/governor-newsom-signs-first-in-the-nation-ai-safeguards-to-protect-californians-calls-on-the-federal-government-to-do-its-part/\">signed\u003c/a> two bills that set up some of the enforcement infrastructure that would strengthen the hand of state regulators, especially when it comes to AI developers.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab1405\">AB 1405\u003c/a>, from Bauer-Kahan, D-Orinda, creates a state registry of independent AI auditors and sets standards for their independence, transparency and integrity.\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb813\"> \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb813\">SB 813\u003c/a>, from Sen. Jerry McNerney, D-Pleasanton, establishes a framework for independent verification organizations, expert panels that can set the standards those auditors would uphold.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“When you have a financial institution, they have to be audited by a third-party independent source,” Bauer-Kahan told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Just as some government procurement contracts already hold AI developers accountable to federal law, Bauer-Kahan said the bills just signed into law would establish an auditing scheme in California.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The registry will begin to take shape in January, and Bauer-Kahan said it will expand to include a new category of job with a short history: that of the AI auditor.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/GettyImages-2291604853-scaled-e1789079469144.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12099093\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Media gathers to hear remarks from Victoria Hinks, whose daughter, Alexandra “Owl” Hinks, died in a case that prosecutors allege was related to social media use, outside of the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building on Aug. 26, 2026, in Oakland, California. Hinks appeared with First Partner Jennifer Siebel Newsom at the signing of the new child safety laws on Sept. 10, 2026. (Heather Diehl/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>California already has a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12054490/child-safety-groups-demand-mental-health-guardrails-after-california-teens-suicide-using-chatgpt\">companion chatbot law\u003c/a>, requiring companion chatbots to tell minors they’re talking to a machine and to route users in crisis to help. But California is not alone legislating in this space: New York’s companion chatbot law took effect last November, and Idaho, Oregon and Washington passed their own rules this year.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“It is so great to see SB 1119 signed into law,” Chris Lehane, vice president of global affairs at OpenAI, wrote in a statement. “It both meets the moment for parents and sets teens up for educational success. … Amongst several key elements, the bill treats teens as teens when it comes to making sure AI is both safe and a tool to help contribute to their ability to learn.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Anthropic endorsed SB 813 and AB 1405 in August. In a statement, Cesar Fernandez, Anthropic’s government affairs spokesperson, praised how these bills distinguish between an AI audit, which assesses the controls necessary to comply with the law, and an evaluation, which assesses the risks posed by an AI system.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>A Meta spokesperson commented specifically on two of the bills, AB 1709 and SB 1119. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Regarding AB 1709, the spokesperson defended algorithmic tailoring of content, writing that it’s “how we deliver age-appropriate content for teens that is relevant to them — all with the proper guardrails in place.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Regarding SB 1119, the spokesperson wrote Meta is still evaluating the new law, but supports chatbot regulation that “empowers parents to make decisions about how their families use these tools, while making sure key educational and enrichment tools are available to teens.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>KQED reached out to YouTube, TikTok and Snap for comment. They have not yet responded.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“While more work is needed to ensure AI developers are required to have safeguards evaluated by independent third-party experts, we commend Sen. McNerney and Assemblymember Bauer-Kahan for their leadership on these important issues,” Fernandez wrote.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The signings come on the heels of social media posts from Jacob Coxon, a former Anthropic researcher.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Coxon resigned this week over the company’s business practices, warning that both Anthropic and its competitor OpenAI are “racing straight to self-improving super-intelligence and gambling with our lives.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Bauer-Kahan was more interested in the public reaction than the warning itself, which she said covered familiar ground. 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(Matt Cardy/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“We’re establishing a framework,” Newsom said in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WIlU6xZ2JY\">press conference\u003c/a> Thursday announcing the package, “so that we can really enact a more aggressive posture as it relates to enforcement.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>First partner Jennifer Siebel Newsom also spoke at the event, reflecting her behind-the-scenes engagement with the policy debate over how best to protect children online. “Today has been a long time in coming,” she said. “And this one is truly for the kids. The kids who are with us, and the kids, like Adam and Owl, who are not.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Standing behind the documentary filmmaker were two mothers of children who died by suicide: \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12080610/california-mom-who-lost-her-son-to-an-ai-chatbot-is-now-fighting-to-regulate-them\">Maria Raine\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12096121/she-died-by-design-meta-on-trial-over-child-safety\">Victoria Hinks\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“This is an incredible moment,” said Jim Steyer, whose group, Common Sense Media, backed all three bills. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Speaking at the same press conference, Steyer called the legislative package “the first step in the United States towards comprehensive regulation and common-sense guardrails around these platforms.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>A day earlier, Newsom \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/09/09/governor-newsom-signs-first-in-the-nation-ai-safeguards-to-protect-californians-calls-on-the-federal-government-to-do-its-part/\">signed\u003c/a> two bills that set up some of the enforcement infrastructure that would strengthen the hand of state regulators, especially when it comes to AI developers.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab1405\">AB 1405\u003c/a>, from Bauer-Kahan, D-Orinda, creates a state registry of independent AI auditors and sets standards for their independence, transparency and integrity.\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb813\"> \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb813\">SB 813\u003c/a>, from Sen. Jerry McNerney, D-Pleasanton, establishes a framework for independent verification organizations, expert panels that can set the standards those auditors would uphold.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“When you have a financial institution, they have to be audited by a third-party independent source,” Bauer-Kahan told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Just as some government procurement contracts already hold AI developers accountable to federal law, Bauer-Kahan said the bills just signed into law would establish an auditing scheme in California.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The registry will begin to take shape in January, and Bauer-Kahan said it will expand to include a new category of job with a short history: that of the AI auditor.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/GettyImages-2291604853-scaled-e1789079469144.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12099093\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Media gathers to hear remarks from Victoria Hinks, whose daughter, Alexandra “Owl” Hinks, died in a case that prosecutors allege was related to social media use, outside of the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building on Aug. 26, 2026, in Oakland, California. Hinks appeared with First Partner Jennifer Siebel Newsom at the signing of the new child safety laws on Sept. 10, 2026. (Heather Diehl/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>California already has a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12054490/child-safety-groups-demand-mental-health-guardrails-after-california-teens-suicide-using-chatgpt\">companion chatbot law\u003c/a>, requiring companion chatbots to tell minors they’re talking to a machine and to route users in crisis to help. But California is not alone legislating in this space: New York’s companion chatbot law took effect last November, and Idaho, Oregon and Washington passed their own rules this year.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“It is so great to see SB 1119 signed into law,” Chris Lehane, vice president of global affairs at OpenAI, wrote in a statement. “It both meets the moment for parents and sets teens up for educational success. … Amongst several key elements, the bill treats teens as teens when it comes to making sure AI is both safe and a tool to help contribute to their ability to learn.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Anthropic endorsed SB 813 and AB 1405 in August. In a statement, Cesar Fernandez, Anthropic’s government affairs spokesperson, praised how these bills distinguish between an AI audit, which assesses the controls necessary to comply with the law, and an evaluation, which assesses the risks posed by an AI system.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>A Meta spokesperson commented specifically on two of the bills, AB 1709 and SB 1119. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Regarding AB 1709, the spokesperson defended algorithmic tailoring of content, writing that it’s “how we deliver age-appropriate content for teens that is relevant to them — all with the proper guardrails in place.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Regarding SB 1119, the spokesperson wrote Meta is still evaluating the new law, but supports chatbot regulation that “empowers parents to make decisions about how their families use these tools, while making sure key educational and enrichment tools are available to teens.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>KQED reached out to YouTube, TikTok and Snap for comment. They have not yet responded.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“While more work is needed to ensure AI developers are required to have safeguards evaluated by independent third-party experts, we commend Sen. McNerney and Assemblymember Bauer-Kahan for their leadership on these important issues,” Fernandez wrote.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The signings come on the heels of social media posts from Jacob Coxon, a former Anthropic researcher.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Coxon resigned this week over the company’s business practices, warning that both Anthropic and its competitor OpenAI are “racing straight to self-improving super-intelligence and gambling with our lives.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Bauer-Kahan was more interested in the public reaction than the warning itself, which she said covered familiar ground. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101914652/the-challenges-and-dangers-security-guards-face\">security workers\u003c/a> who guard tech companies and other offices across San Francisco took a step toward a walkout Wednesday. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Amid months of negotiations with massive contractors like Allied Universal and Securitas, members of the Service Employees International Union-United Service Workers West, the union that represents some security workers, voted to authorize a strike in response to unfair labor practices.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>As drums pounded and workers chanted at the Mechanic Monument Plaza in downtown San Francisco on Wednesday, David Huerta, president of SEIU-USWW, called for improved benefits and a $30 minimum wage. This is more than what the private companies are offering in negotiations, he said. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-image\">\n\u003cfigure class=\"aligncenter size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-8_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12098185\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-8_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-8_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-8_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">SEIU-USWW President David Huerta speaks at a press conference announcing that union security officers from across San Francisco and Silicon Valley voted in favor of an Unfair Labor Practice (ULP) strike authorization at Mechanics Monument Plaza in San Francisco’s Financial District on Sept. 2, 2026. (Nina Glick/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003c/div>\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-3 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1999\" height=\"1333\" data-id=\"12098180\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-2_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12098180\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-2_qed.jpg 1999w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-2_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-2_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1999px) 100vw, 1999px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Jerry Longoria, who works as a security officer at Cartier on behalf of Allied Universal, wears an SEIU-USWW pin at a Sept. 2, 2026, press conference at Mechanics Monument Plaza in San Francisco’s Financial District. The union representing union security officers from across San Francisco and Silicon Valley voted in favor of an Unfair Labor Practice (ULP) strike authorization.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" data-id=\"12098183\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-12_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12098183\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-12_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-12_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-12_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">An advocate holds a sign during a Sept. 2, 2026, press conference at Mechanics Monument Plaza in San Francisco’s Financial District. Security officers represented by the union from across San Francisco and Silicon Valley voted in favor of an Unfair Labor Practice strike authorization. (Nina Glick/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Who can survive with $22 an hour in San Francisco?” Huerta asked as members of the crowd shouted, “Shame.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Allied Universal declined to comment on ongoing labor negotiations. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Tejinder Singh, a security officer at Google and bargaining committee member, said that the union and the security giants have their last round of negotiations Wednesday, and that officers are ready to strike if the companies do not agree to their demands. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>A union press release states that their roughly 14,000 members asked for raises, employer-paid family health care, retirement benefits and job security, and were offered “a mere 25-cent raise over the next four years, including no raise at all in three of those years.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Singh said that he did not know how he and his colleagues would survive without a pay increase, given how much prices have skyrocketed across the Bay Area. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Everything has increased, gas costs, food costs, rent, medical costs … everything,” Singh said. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The union announcement came days after artificial intelligence giant \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12097028/bay-area-security-workers-threaten-action-after-anthropic-office-closure\">Anthropic shuttered\u003c/a> the doors to its San Francisco office and told employees to work from home after its security contractor, Allied Universal, warned of a possible strike. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Speaking directly to companies like Anthropic, Salesforce, Nvidia, OpenAI, Google, Cisco and others, which rely on guards, Assemblymember Matt Haney (D-San Francisco) reminded the lucrative industry how essential security workers are to keep their employees and operations safe. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“None of this wealth would be possible if it wasn’t for [the guards],” Haney said. “They need to support you like you support them. They need to protect you like you protect them.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-image\">\n\u003cfigure class=\"aligncenter size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1999\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-1_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12098181\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-1_qed.jpg 1999w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-1_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/260902-SecurityStrike-NG-1_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1999px) 100vw, 1999px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A security officer chants during a Sept. 2, 2026, press conference at Mechanics Monument Plaza in San Francisco’s Financial District, where the union representing security officers from across San Francisco and Silicon Valley voted in favor of an Unfair Labor Practice strike authorization. (Nina Glick/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003c/div>\n\n\n\u003cp>Anthropic and the other tech companies did not respond to KQED’s request for comment in time for publication. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Private contractors like Allied Universal and Securitas also provide guards for hospitals, transit agencies and other offices — including KQED.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“We are prepared, if necessary, to do what labor has the ultimate power to do,” Huerta said. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/nvoynovskaya\">\u003cem>Nastia Voynovskaya\u003c/em>\u003c/a> \u003cem>contributed to this report. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\n\u003cp>California’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/politics\">legislative session\u003c/a> ended at midnight on Monday, and numerous bills ranging from housing to health care to technology cleared both the Senate and the Assembly.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Gov. Gavin Newsom has until Sept. 30 to decide whether he’ll veto or sign the measures. Here’s where some of the most closely watched \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/technology\">tech\u003c/a> bills landed.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Companion chatbots and children’s safety\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>California lawmakers on Monday approved a sweeping set of safety requirements for artificial intelligence chatbots used by children and teens. The bill, known as \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb1119\">Adam’s Law\u003c/a>, builds on last year’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12052617/newsoms-tightrope-walk-between-ai-regulation-and-silicon-valley-cash\">SB 243\u003c/a>, which required chatbot operators to disclose when users were interacting with AI companions and to maintain protocols for detecting self-harm content. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Co-authored by San Diego Democrat Sen. Steve Padilla and Assemblymembers Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D-Orinda) and Buffy Wicks (D-Oakland), the bill adds requirements for user age checks, safety-risk assessments before new or substantially modified companion chatbots are released, independent audits and crisis-support resources. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2159671948-scaled-e1781542152687.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12058035\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Close-up of a phone screen in Lafayette, California, on June 27, 2024, displaying Claude, a generative artificial intelligence chatbot from Anthropic powered by large language model (or LLM). (Smith Collection/Gado via Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The bill also requires default protections for young users, including limits on notifications, usage and persistent conversational memory. It restricts targeted advertising to children and imposes additional privacy protections. Chatbot operators could face liability for failing to take reasonable measures to prevent certain harmful outputs, including content involving self-harm, sexually explicit material, romantic role-playing and emotionally manipulative behavior. Families would have a private right of redress for certain violations. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The legislation is named for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12080610/california-mom-who-lost-her-son-to-an-ai-chatbot-is-now-fighting-to-regulate-them\">Adam Raine\u003c/a>, a California teenager who died by suicide in 2025. Raine’s parents have said that Adam spent months discussing his loneliness and plans to harm himself with ChatGPT before his death. In a joint statement released after the bill successfully passed through the Legislature, Maria Raine called it “a serious and much-needed step forward for AI companion chatbot safety.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>This year, lawmakers also passed another bill by Padilla that enacts a four-year moratorium on the sale and manufacturing of AI-chatbot-powered toys over concerns that the technology can harm children.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The technology industry has not been uniformly opposed. OpenAI supports SB 1119 and has urged Newsom to sign it, saying the legislation establishes meaningful safeguards while preserving young people’s ability to use AI for learning, creativity and other purposes. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Teens are the first generation growing up with AI,” OpenAI said in a \u003ca href=\"https://openai.com/index/supporting-california-bill-advance-ai-youth-safety/\">statement\u003c/a>. “Nearly nine in ten teens who use ChatGPT turn to it for learning, information, skill-building, or productivity in a given week.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“That opportunity comes with a clear responsibility: teens should have experiences designed around their distinct developmental needs, with strong default protections and appropriate opportunities to learn, create, and explore.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Opponents of the legislation include the California Chamber of Commerce, the Software Information Industry Association and TechNet.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Newsom vetoed a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12059714/newsom-vetoes-most-watched-childrens-ai-bill-signs-16-others-targeting-tech\">stronger child-safety bill\u003c/a> last year after raising concerns that its restrictions could effectively prevent teenagers from accessing conversational AI. Though his office has not indicated whether Newsom will sign, the version now on his desk was negotiated with those concerns in mind. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u003cstrong>Data centers and ratepayer protections \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>California lawmakers on Monday approved two linked bills that would require the state to establish special rules for how large data centers pay for electricity and the infrastructure needed to serve them.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb886\">SB 886\u003c/a>, also authored by Padilla, and \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab2383\">AB 2383\u003c/a>, by Assemblymember Rick Chavez Zbur (D-Los Angeles), would require the California Public Utilities Commission to create separate electricity rates and updated interconnection rules for data centers. The measures are designed to prevent electricity customers from bearing the costs of new power generation and grid upgrades needed to serve the facilities. AB 2383 is contingent on SB 886 becoming law. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Big Tech keeps promising to be good neighbors, and these bills will make those promises legally enforceable,” Padilla said in a press release celebrating the passage of SB 886 and a related bill, \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb887\">887\u003c/a>. “No more saying one thing in the White House and doing the opposite in our local communities.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1980\" height=\"1231\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12094084\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472.jpg 1980w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472-160x99.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472-1536x955.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1980px) 100vw, 1980px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">San Diego Democrat Sen. Steve Padilla. (Nelvin C. Cepeda/The San Diego Union-Tribune via Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The legislation follows a year of intensifying political pressure over the expansion of data centers, which are being built to meet the enormous computing demands of AI. California has fewer giant data centers than Virginia and Texas, but the state still has \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101912379/californias-ai-data-centers-taking-growing-environmental-toll\">one of the largest counts overall\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The facilities have \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12028158/crackdown-on-power-guzzling-data-centers-may-soon-come-online-in-california\">generated growing concern\u003c/a> over their electricity and water use, as well as the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12064265/new-report-reveals-strain-of-data-centers-on-californias-grid\">lack of transparency\u003c/a> about their potential effect on utility bills. A Public Policy Institute of California poll released in July found that \u003ca href=\"https://www.ppic.org/publication/ppic-statewide-survey-californians-and-the-environment-july-2026/\">73%\u003c/a> of Californians opposed building data centers in their communities. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>In March 2026, the Little Hoover Commission released \u003ca href=\"https://lhc.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/LHC-Report-292-Data-Centers-California-Electricity-Policy-FINAL-PUBLIC-3.3.26.pdf\">\u003cem>Data Centers and California Electricity Policy\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, a report that explicitly recommends making tech companies and data center developers cover their own grid-integration costs rather than shifting the burden to everyday ratepayers. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“California’s electricity rates are among the highest in the nation, and affordability remains a top concern for residents,” the report states.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Supporters — including The Utility Reform Network, the Union of Concerned Scientists, the Natural Resources Defense Council and utility-worker unions — argued that companies building the facilities should pay for the infrastructure their electricity demand requires. Bill sponsor TURN pointed to a California grid-planning estimate that increased demand from data centers in PG&E’s service territory, where most of the state’s projects are concentrated, could generate as much as $1.8 billion in transmission-upgrade costs. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12097519\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A flyer that says, “No Data Center,” is posted at the Church of All Faiths in Oakland, California, on Aug. 29, 2026. (Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The Data Center Coalition, which represents companies including Google and Microsoft, opposed the legislation, arguing that it unfairly singled out one type of electricity customer. PG&E also opposed the original approach, warning that it could increase costs for customers and delay infrastructure needed to meet the state’s broader energy demand. Business groups argued that California’s high energy costs, limited land and additional regulation could make the state less attractive for data-center development. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The bills were substantially worked over in the final weeks of the session. Earlier drafts were far more prescriptive, including provisions for mandatory on-site batteries and 100% carbon-free power for data centers by 2030. Both were stripped out in favor of giving the CPUC until July 1, 2027, to establish special tariffs and rules. Newsom and regulators in turn secured more control over how the new rate structure will work. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The final compromise drew criticism from some environmental and consumer advocates. They say data centers could find loopholes to avoid paying some grid costs and wriggle out of clean-energy requirements for facilities that generate their own electricity. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Newsom’s position has shifted noticeably during the course of the debate. Last year, he \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/AB-93-Veto.pdf\">vetoed \u003c/a>legislation requiring data centers to disclose their water consumption, writing: “I am reluctant to impose rigid reporting requirements about operational details on this sector without understanding the full impact on businesses and the consumers of their technology.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1337\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12087658\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty-1536x1027.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Gov. Gavin Newsom speaks as his wife, Jennifer Siebel Newsom (left), looks on during an election night gathering at California Democratic headquarters in Sacramento, California, on Nov. 4, 2025. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>This year, however, Newsom became directly involved in negotiations over both bills. On Monday in the state Capitol, he said his administration had been working with lawmakers on several data-center bills, and that the final versions “landed fairly well,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/01/california-lawmakers-big-swing-newsom-data-centers-01058848\">\u003cem>Politico \u003c/em>reported\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“You’re seeing states all across this country leaning in,” Newsom said. “We’ll be leaning in.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>He also said last month that companies, rather than other electricity customers, should bear the costs associated with their data-center investments. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“We believe that all of these investments, the costs, should be borne by the companies,” Newsom said. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>That makes a Newsom signature more likely here than it appeared earlier in the year, although the governor has not formally committed to signing either bill.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Social media’s addictive features\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The California Senate \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab1709\">voted\u003c/a> to bar social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok from offering certain addictive features to users younger than 16. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The measure, authored by Assemblymember Josh Lowenthal (D-Long Beach), targets features on so-called “covered platforms” — which predominantly share user-generated content — designed to keep people engaged, including algorithmically driven feeds and other mechanisms that can encourage prolonged use. It also would establish an e-Safety Advisory Commission within the California Department of Justice to advise state officials on online safety and report annually to the governor and Legislature.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Common Sense Media, which sponsored the bill, is among its major supporters, along with Mothers Against Media Addiction and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The bill was amended as it moved through the Legislature, narrowing some of its provisions and changing how the state would oversee online safety. For supporters, the changes don’t go nearly far enough. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12092171\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A 14-year-old boy looks at an iPhone screen displaying various social media and messaging apps on March 29, 2026. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>California’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/politics\">legislative session\u003c/a> ended at midnight on Monday, and numerous bills ranging from housing to health care to technology cleared both the Senate and the Assembly.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Gov. Gavin Newsom has until Sept. 30 to decide whether he’ll veto or sign the measures. Here’s where some of the most closely watched \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/technology\">tech\u003c/a> bills landed.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Companion chatbots and children’s safety\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>California lawmakers on Monday approved a sweeping set of safety requirements for artificial intelligence chatbots used by children and teens. The bill, known as \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb1119\">Adam’s Law\u003c/a>, builds on last year’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12052617/newsoms-tightrope-walk-between-ai-regulation-and-silicon-valley-cash\">SB 243\u003c/a>, which required chatbot operators to disclose when users were interacting with AI companions and to maintain protocols for detecting self-harm content. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Co-authored by San Diego Democrat Sen. Steve Padilla and Assemblymembers Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D-Orinda) and Buffy Wicks (D-Oakland), the bill adds requirements for user age checks, safety-risk assessments before new or substantially modified companion chatbots are released, independent audits and crisis-support resources. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2159671948-scaled-e1781542152687.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12058035\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Close-up of a phone screen in Lafayette, California, on June 27, 2024, displaying Claude, a generative artificial intelligence chatbot from Anthropic powered by large language model (or LLM). (Smith Collection/Gado via Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The bill also requires default protections for young users, including limits on notifications, usage and persistent conversational memory. It restricts targeted advertising to children and imposes additional privacy protections. Chatbot operators could face liability for failing to take reasonable measures to prevent certain harmful outputs, including content involving self-harm, sexually explicit material, romantic role-playing and emotionally manipulative behavior. Families would have a private right of redress for certain violations. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The legislation is named for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12080610/california-mom-who-lost-her-son-to-an-ai-chatbot-is-now-fighting-to-regulate-them\">Adam Raine\u003c/a>, a California teenager who died by suicide in 2025. Raine’s parents have said that Adam spent months discussing his loneliness and plans to harm himself with ChatGPT before his death. In a joint statement released after the bill successfully passed through the Legislature, Maria Raine called it “a serious and much-needed step forward for AI companion chatbot safety.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>This year, lawmakers also passed another bill by Padilla that enacts a four-year moratorium on the sale and manufacturing of AI-chatbot-powered toys over concerns that the technology can harm children.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The technology industry has not been uniformly opposed. OpenAI supports SB 1119 and has urged Newsom to sign it, saying the legislation establishes meaningful safeguards while preserving young people’s ability to use AI for learning, creativity and other purposes. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Teens are the first generation growing up with AI,” OpenAI said in a \u003ca href=\"https://openai.com/index/supporting-california-bill-advance-ai-youth-safety/\">statement\u003c/a>. “Nearly nine in ten teens who use ChatGPT turn to it for learning, information, skill-building, or productivity in a given week.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“That opportunity comes with a clear responsibility: teens should have experiences designed around their distinct developmental needs, with strong default protections and appropriate opportunities to learn, create, and explore.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Opponents of the legislation include the California Chamber of Commerce, the Software Information Industry Association and TechNet.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Newsom vetoed a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12059714/newsom-vetoes-most-watched-childrens-ai-bill-signs-16-others-targeting-tech\">stronger child-safety bill\u003c/a> last year after raising concerns that its restrictions could effectively prevent teenagers from accessing conversational AI. Though his office has not indicated whether Newsom will sign, the version now on his desk was negotiated with those concerns in mind. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\u003cstrong>Data centers and ratepayer protections \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>California lawmakers on Monday approved two linked bills that would require the state to establish special rules for how large data centers pay for electricity and the infrastructure needed to serve them.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb886\">SB 886\u003c/a>, also authored by Padilla, and \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab2383\">AB 2383\u003c/a>, by Assemblymember Rick Chavez Zbur (D-Los Angeles), would require the California Public Utilities Commission to create separate electricity rates and updated interconnection rules for data centers. The measures are designed to prevent electricity customers from bearing the costs of new power generation and grid upgrades needed to serve the facilities. AB 2383 is contingent on SB 886 becoming law. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Big Tech keeps promising to be good neighbors, and these bills will make those promises legally enforceable,” Padilla said in a press release celebrating the passage of SB 886 and a related bill, \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260sb887\">887\u003c/a>. “No more saying one thing in the White House and doing the opposite in our local communities.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1980\" height=\"1231\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12094084\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472.jpg 1980w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472-160x99.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/GettyImages-2267080472-1536x955.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1980px) 100vw, 1980px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">San Diego Democrat Sen. 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California has fewer giant data centers than Virginia and Texas, but the state still has \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101912379/californias-ai-data-centers-taking-growing-environmental-toll\">one of the largest counts overall\u003c/a>. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The facilities have \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12028158/crackdown-on-power-guzzling-data-centers-may-soon-come-online-in-california\">generated growing concern\u003c/a> over their electricity and water use, as well as the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12064265/new-report-reveals-strain-of-data-centers-on-californias-grid\">lack of transparency\u003c/a> about their potential effect on utility bills. A Public Policy Institute of California poll released in July found that \u003ca href=\"https://www.ppic.org/publication/ppic-statewide-survey-californians-and-the-environment-july-2026/\">73%\u003c/a> of Californians opposed building data centers in their communities. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>In March 2026, the Little Hoover Commission released \u003ca href=\"https://lhc.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/LHC-Report-292-Data-Centers-California-Electricity-Policy-FINAL-PUBLIC-3.3.26.pdf\">\u003cem>Data Centers and California Electricity Policy\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, a report that explicitly recommends making tech companies and data center developers cover their own grid-integration costs rather than shifting the burden to everyday ratepayers. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“California’s electricity rates are among the highest in the nation, and affordability remains a top concern for residents,” the report states.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Supporters — including The Utility Reform Network, the Union of Concerned Scientists, the Natural Resources Defense Council and utility-worker unions — argued that companies building the facilities should pay for the infrastructure their electricity demand requires. Bill sponsor TURN pointed to a California grid-planning estimate that increased demand from data centers in PG&E’s service territory, where most of the state’s projects are concentrated, could generate as much as $1.8 billion in transmission-upgrade costs. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12097519\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00394_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A flyer that says, “No Data Center,” is posted at the Church of All Faiths in Oakland, California, on Aug. 29, 2026. (Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The Data Center Coalition, which represents companies including Google and Microsoft, opposed the legislation, arguing that it unfairly singled out one type of electricity customer. PG&E also opposed the original approach, warning that it could increase costs for customers and delay infrastructure needed to meet the state’s broader energy demand. Business groups argued that California’s high energy costs, limited land and additional regulation could make the state less attractive for data-center development. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The bills were substantially worked over in the final weeks of the session. Earlier drafts were far more prescriptive, including provisions for mandatory on-site batteries and 100% carbon-free power for data centers by 2030. Both were stripped out in favor of giving the CPUC until July 1, 2027, to establish special tariffs and rules. Newsom and regulators in turn secured more control over how the new rate structure will work. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The final compromise drew criticism from some environmental and consumer advocates. They say data centers could find loopholes to avoid paying some grid costs and wriggle out of clean-energy requirements for facilities that generate their own electricity. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Newsom’s position has shifted noticeably during the course of the debate. Last year, he \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/AB-93-Veto.pdf\">vetoed \u003c/a>legislation requiring data centers to disclose their water consumption, writing: “I am reluctant to impose rigid reporting requirements about operational details on this sector without understanding the full impact on businesses and the consumers of their technology.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1337\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12087658\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/06/GavinJenniferNewsomGetty-1536x1027.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Gov. Gavin Newsom speaks as his wife, Jennifer Siebel Newsom (left), looks on during an election night gathering at California Democratic headquarters in Sacramento, California, on Nov. 4, 2025. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>This year, however, Newsom became directly involved in negotiations over both bills. On Monday in the state Capitol, he said his administration had been working with lawmakers on several data-center bills, and that the final versions “landed fairly well,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/01/california-lawmakers-big-swing-newsom-data-centers-01058848\">\u003cem>Politico \u003c/em>reported\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“You’re seeing states all across this country leaning in,” Newsom said. “We’ll be leaning in.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>He also said last month that companies, rather than other electricity customers, should bear the costs associated with their data-center investments. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“We believe that all of these investments, the costs, should be borne by the companies,” Newsom said. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>That makes a Newsom signature more likely here than it appeared earlier in the year, although the governor has not formally committed to signing either bill.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Social media’s addictive features\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The California Senate \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab1709\">voted\u003c/a> to bar social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok from offering certain addictive features to users younger than 16. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The measure, authored by Assemblymember Josh Lowenthal (D-Long Beach), targets features on so-called “covered platforms” — which predominantly share user-generated content — designed to keep people engaged, including algorithmically driven feeds and other mechanisms that can encourage prolonged use. It also would establish an e-Safety Advisory Commission within the California Department of Justice to advise state officials on online safety and report annually to the governor and Legislature.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Common Sense Media, which sponsored the bill, is among its major supporters, along with Mothers Against Media Addiction and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The bill was amended as it moved through the Legislature, narrowing some of its provisions and changing how the state would oversee online safety. For supporters, the changes don’t go nearly far enough. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12092171\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/07/AIGetty-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A 14-year-old boy looks at an iPhone screen displaying various social media and messaging apps on March 29, 2026. (Anna Barclay/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Jim Steyer, founder and CEO of Common Sense Media, \u003ca href=\"https://www.commonsensemedia.org/press-releases/common-sense-media-statement-on-passage-of-ab-1709\">wrote Monday\u003c/a> that \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12096647/why-metas-landmark-settlement-could-be-social-medias-big-tobacco-moment\">recent litigation\u003c/a> against major technology companies has exposed how deliberately social media platforms have been designed to keep children engaged.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Social media companies have engineered their products to hook children, and their own researchers proved it worked,” Steyer said in a statement. “Parents cannot out-parent an algorithm built in a lab to keep kids scrolling.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The Electronic Frontier Foundation, Civil Justice Association of California and trade group NetChoice, which represents major technology companies including Google, Meta and Snap, oppose the measure. Civil liberties advocates, in particular, have raised First Amendment and privacy concerns, particularly around how platforms would determine which users are under 16 and which features should be considered addictive.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“This well-intentioned, but deeply flawed piece of legislation, cuts young people off from essential information and experiences, particularly harming vulnerable youth and marginalized groups who often find safety in supportive online communities they can’t access offline,” the EFF \u003ca href=\"https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/08/eff-gov-newsom-veto-californias-ab-1709\">wrote\u003c/a> in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Newsom has already signed several California laws aimed at \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12005803/newsom-signs-law-to-protect-children-from-social-media-addiction\">protecting children online\u003c/a>, including legislation requiring warning labels on social media platforms. But AB 1709 could face the same free-speech and age-verification challenges that have complicated the state’s broader effort to regulate social media. A federal judge has already blocked portions of California’s existing law restricting addictive social media feeds while a legal challenge proceeds.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Newsom has not publicly indicated whether he will sign the bill, but he called on lawmakers to explore stricter youth online safety guardrails during his \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12069094/in-final-state-of-state-speech-gov-newsom-says-california-offers-model-for-the-nation\">final State of the State\u003c/a> address. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003ch2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Workplace surveillance\u003c/h2>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>California employers could face new limits on the use of AI to monitor workers. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.digitaldemocracy.org/bills/ca_202520260ab1883\">AB 1883\u003c/a>, authored by Assemblymember Isaac Bryan (D-Los Angeles), would prohibit employers from using AI-powered workplace-surveillance tools to collect \u003ca href=\"https://law.stanford.edu/2024/12/02/what-are-neural-data-an-invitation-to-flexible-regulatory-implementation/\">neural data\u003c/a> — sensitive personal information from a user’s nervous system — or recognize an employee’s emotional state, with some exceptions. It also covers certain other AI-based inferences about workers and allows civil penalties of up to $500 per violation.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The measure is part of a small but growing effort by states to regulate how employers use AI to monitor and manage their workers. California’s bill is unusually focused on technologies that attempt to infer what is happening inside an employee’s body or mind. There is a narrower approach in Illinois, which regulates AI-analyzed video interviews in hiring, and in Maryland, which restricts the use of facial-recognition technology.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46155_GettyImages-1139953504-qut.jpg\" alt=\"""\" class=\"wp-image-11849216\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46155_GettyImages-1139953504-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46155_GettyImages-1139953504-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46155_GettyImages-1139953504-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46155_GettyImages-1139953504-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/12/RS46155_GettyImages-1139953504-qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A view of Slack headquarters on April 2, 2019, in San Francisco, California. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>AB 1883 was sponsored by major state labor unions and Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. Business groups representing various employers opposed the bill, ranging from the American Petroleum and Convenience Store Association to the Wine Institute.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The legislation’s ambitions were softened in committees. The latest version exempts certain workplace-surveillance uses required by federal law, regulation or binding federal contracts involving aircraft, national security, military, space or defense work. Senate amendments also modified the bill’s enforcement provisions.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Still, the core prohibition survived.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Workers should have a general expectation of privacy in certain areas,” said Lorena Gonzalez, who heads up the powerful California Federation of Labor Unions, to KQED’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12097046/california-labor-leader-on-ai-bills-and-billionaire-tax-measure-splitting-unions\">Political Breakdown\u003c/a> last week. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Employers, Gonzalez said, are able to take advantage of outdated laws that don’t account for changes in technology. Labor interests have been at the forefront of legislation addressing \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12076608/what-do-san-franciscos-ai-vs-humans-billboards-say-about-our-working-futures\">AI anxieties\u003c/a> this session. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“You don’t want the boss reading your mind,” Gonzalez added.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The measure comes a year after Newsom vetoed the “No Robo Bosses Act,” which would have required employers to notify workers when AI was used in disciplinary or termination decisions and let employees challenge certain AI-generated decisions. In his \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/SB-7-Veto.pdf\">veto message\u003c/a> last year, Newsom wrote the bill “imposes unfocused notification requirements on any business using even the most innocuous tools.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>AB 1883 is narrower in scope. Rather than governing how AI makes decisions about workers, it bans a single, especially invasive use. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Newsom has not said whether he will sign it. With a widely expected presidential run ahead, his decision will signal whether he’s willing to side with workers over employers and draw a hard line against AI that tries to read a worker’s mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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(Courtesy of California Nurses Association)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003c/div>\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-3 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" data-id=\"12097892\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-1-KQED-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12097892\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-1-KQED-1.jpg 1600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-1-KQED-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-1-KQED-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Dozens of nurses gathered outside Kaiser Permanente Oakland Medical Center on Sept. 1, 2026. (Courtesy of California Nurses Association)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" data-id=\"12097883\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-2-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12097883\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-2-KQED.jpg 1600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-2-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/09/Kaiser-Labor-2-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Workers also voiced their concerns about the steadily increasing use of AI in health care systems, which they believe could adversely impact staffing decisions and patient care. (Courtesy of California Nurses Association)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Outside the center on Broadway, veteran pediatric nurse Craig Cedotal said that, in nearly a dozen bargaining sessions so far, management has failed to properly address his concerns.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Cedotal said he believes Kaiser’s short staffing is evidenced by the Assignment Despite Objection forms that procedure nurses use to signal concerns on a shift. “We’re talking about 5,000 of them altogether,” he said, regarding the volume of forms submitted.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“We know what the problems are — they disagree with what we say — but that’s not uncommon for management to disagree,” he added.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>In a statement, Kaiser said it staffs at state-mandated ratios using a system that the company co-developed alongside the California Nurses Association.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Workers accused management of manipulating that system to their advantage, with avoidable consequences.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Mixing infectious patients with noninfectious patients … that happens. Now, we do have PPE that we can put on,” Cedotal said, using shorthand for personal protective equipment. “But if you can staff to a point where you don’t even have to risk the exposure, why would you?”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The protest also marked \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12097097/bay-area-nurses-protest-use-of-palantirs-ai-tech-at-hospitals\">yet another opportunity\u003c/a> for workers to voice their objections to the increasing use of artificial intelligence in the health care system, which they said could inappropriately influence staffing decisions and care.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“Nursing, we need to speak to our patients. 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Jeffrey Parker spoke almost sermon-like in front of more than a hundred people in his \u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/news/tag/oakland\">Oakland \u003c/a>church this weekend, but it wasn’t the typical service the place was used to hearing. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>He had something else in mind: data centers. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Parker joined organizers from the Party for Socialism and Liberation on Saturday to call for city leaders to stop the possibility of data centers in the city. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00383_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12097522\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00383_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00383_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00383_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Rev. Jeffrey Parker speaks at an anti-data center meeting hosted by Party for Socialism and Liberation at the Church of All Faiths in Oakland on Aug. 29, 2026. (Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>PSL and around 7,000 petition signers have urged a citywide ban on the facilities after a proposal by Behring Companies to bring a 20,000-square-foot data center to downtown drew backlash. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Ire among opponents has recently grown. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Tesla and Prometheus, an AI startup cofounded by Jeff Bezos, signed leases at another site in the city, according to the \u003cem>San Francisco Business Times\u003c/em>. It’s not yet known what Tesla and Prometheus have planned for the projects or if they’ll end up being data centers. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“I am against Oakland becoming a place where powerful technology companies can come into our community, consume enormous amounts of resources, and potentially leave Oakland residents to deal with the consequences,” Parker said. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-3 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" data-id=\"12097523\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00391_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12097523\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00391_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00391_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00391_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Oakland residents attend an anti-data center meeting hosted by Party for Socialism and Liberation at the Church of All Faiths in Oakland on Aug. 29, 2026. (Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" data-id=\"12097520\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00386_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12097520\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00386_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00386_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/260829-oakdatacentermeeting-TV00386_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Oakland residents attend an anti-data center meeting hosted by Party for Socialism and Liberation at the Church of All Faiths in Oakland on Aug. 29, 2026. (Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003c/figure>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>The AI industry as a whole has come under fire for concerns over environmental impacts — water and energy usage, along with noise pollution — that residents worry will disproportionately hurt lower-income or Black and Brown communities.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Xavier Buck, executive director of the Huey P. Newton Foundation and founding director of the Black Panther Party Museum in Oakland, said he thinks cities like Oakland are intentionally targeted to be “sacrifice zones for the AI boom.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“The power structure is not choosing these cities by accident; it is choosing them because these are cities where we built the most powerful organizing models,” Buck said. “[It’s] the most efficient way to destroy both the communities and the blueprint simultaneously.” \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Oakland City Councilmember Carroll Fife, whose district the Behring proposal falls in, said in a social media post that she had already reached out to the city attorney about what it would mean to regulate data centers. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>“I’ve not shared my perspective on data centers or my political perspective because I’m forming it,” Fife \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcC9M7GkgSa/\">said \u003c/a>in her social media video. “I know what I’ve seen in other places is unacceptable, completely.”\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>More recently, the Bay Area News Group reported that Fife had been working on a \u003ca href=\"https://www.mercurynews.com/2026/08/30/billionaire-backed-data-center-proposals-cause-rift-in-oakland/\">proposal for a moratorium\u003c/a> on data centers. As of publication, Fife had not responded to KQED’s request for comment.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Developers have also set their sites on the cities of Pittsburg, Gilroy and San Jose for current or future data centers. Residents in those cities have similarly called for a moratorium and then a permanent ban on the facilities. \u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cp>Aditi Varshneya, an organizer with PSL, said that hundreds of people came to a previous organizing meeting about the Behring project and almost 200 more showed up this weekend.\u003c/p>\n\n\n\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/OAK-Data-Center.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12095475\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/OAK-Data-Center.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/OAK-Data-Center-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2026/08/OAK-Data-Center-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" />\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The location of Behring’s proposed data center at 415 20th St. in Oakland on Aug. 14, 2026. 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