The Dinner Date

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Marie (Christina Zee/KQED)

Eileen (Jeremy Raff/KQED)
Eileen (Jeremy Raff/KQED)

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In this episode – our second! – we meet Lisa.

Lisa works with Amy and me at KQED (where she produces two excellent series, Truly California and Film School Shorts, both of which you should check out).

For the past few years, Lisa’s been watching something unfold within a small, tightly knit group of her friends. What she saw has changed the way she thinks about love, about relationships, and about grief.

It all started with a bike ride.

Within just a few days, a grim coincidence had left two women in eerily similar straits. Their climb out is a testament to the power of weekly dinner dates, spreadsheets, and sandwiches.


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The next episode comes out November 3. It’s about a man who is left $120 million by a total stranger, and his quest to understand why. This happened very recently, in San Francisco. The Leap is where you’ll hear about it first.

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