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Cal has been infatuated with the natural world and with marine biology since he was very little.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus\">popular TikTok saga\u003c/a> was launched with the father narrating the tale of Terrance the cephalopod, using a faux British accent generated by the social media app. Eventually, hundreds of thousands of people were following.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7347009867028270382\" data-video-id=\"7347009867028270382\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> AW SHUCKS. \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwater\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwater?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwater\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"aquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/aquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#aquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"petoctopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/petoctopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#petoctopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"clambake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/clambake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#clambake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ Reggae Relaxante Base - Dance Comercial Music\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/Reggae-Relaxante-Base-7146231087398668290?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ Reggae Relaxante Base – Dance Comercial Music\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>[tiktok]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Within weeks, the tale took a surprise turn when it was learned Terrance was actually a female as she laid some 50 eggs that the family initially assumed were unfertilized. Several weeks after that, teeny near-transparent octopus babies began hatching and were given names like Rocket Larry, Squid Cudi, Swim Shady, Jay-Sea and Sea-Yoncé.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7353825745661250862\" data-video-id=\"7353825745661250862\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> AN OCTOPOSSE \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"petoctopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/petoctopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#petoctopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"mom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/mom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#mom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"crabcake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/crabcake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#crabcake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"clambake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/clambake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#clambake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"octomom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octomom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octomom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"biology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/biology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#biology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"carpetcleaners\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/carpetcleaners?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#carpetcleaners\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ original sound - Shoptopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/original-sound-7353825857968540462?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ original sound – Shoptopus\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>[tiktok]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cal had burst into tears at the family dinner table when his father first announced that the local aquarium store had told him adopting an octopus would be possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Father and son together researched what was needed, deciding on a saltwater tank and water cycling system and ensuring they would be able to source food for the soft-bodied sea creature.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The family’s younger son Lyle and mom Kari also joined the project in their own ways. A family friend who is a reptile scientist has provided support and advice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While female octopuses usually die soon after laying their eggs, Clifford said Terrance remains alive four months later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7355098970932153646\" data-video-id=\"7355098970932153646\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> FB Marketplace IYKYK \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"aquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/aquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#aquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"mom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/mom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#mom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"clambake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/clambake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#clambake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"petoctopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/petoctopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#petoctopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"crabcake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/crabcake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#crabcake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ original sound - Shoptopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/original-sound-7355099371962583851?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ original sound – Shoptopus\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>[tiktok]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Clifford said the family has gained much from the experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13955125']“Aside from the physical, financial and emotional requirements of owning a species such as a bimac, you will learn a lot about yourself in the process,” the Arizona-born Clifford told TikTok followers in his app-generated accent. “There’s always some valve or seal that’s not completely closed, and your storm resistant carpet isn’t rated for gallons and gallons of seawater. You’ll learn that seawater and electricity don’t always get along.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You will learn new things and meet incredible people and will learn that wildlife is magnificent,” he added. “But most of all, you’ll learn to love a not-so-tiny octopus like Terrance.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7356635947531849002\" data-video-id=\"7356635947531849002\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> THANK YOU OCTO-NATION 🐙 ❤️ \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"mom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/mom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#mom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"crabcake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/crabcake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#crabcake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"biology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/biology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#biology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"carpetcleaners\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/carpetcleaners?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#carpetcleaners\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ Elevator Music (Music Background) - Music Background & Easy Listening Background Music & Haruto Nakamori\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/Elevator-Music-Music-Background-6841973391990212610?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ Elevator Music (Music Background) – Music Background & Easy Listening Background Music & Haruto Nakamori\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[tiktok]\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A well-intentioned dad bought his son an octopus. Things got wildly out of hand once she started laying eggs...","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1713285307,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":19,"wordCount":604},"headData":{"title":"Terrance, the Californian Two-Spot Octopus: A TikTok Saga | KQED","description":"A well-intentioned dad bought his son an octopus. 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Cal has been infatuated with the natural world and with marine biology since he was very little.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus\">popular TikTok saga\u003c/a> was launched with the father narrating the tale of Terrance the cephalopod, using a faux British accent generated by the social media app. Eventually, hundreds of thousands of people were following.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7347009867028270382\" data-video-id=\"7347009867028270382\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> AW SHUCKS. \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwater\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwater?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwater\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"aquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/aquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#aquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"petoctopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/petoctopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#petoctopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"clambake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/clambake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#clambake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ Reggae Relaxante Base - Dance Comercial Music\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/Reggae-Relaxante-Base-7146231087398668290?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ Reggae Relaxante Base – Dance Comercial Music\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"tiktok","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Within weeks, the tale took a surprise turn when it was learned Terrance was actually a female as she laid some 50 eggs that the family initially assumed were unfertilized. Several weeks after that, teeny near-transparent octopus babies began hatching and were given names like Rocket Larry, Squid Cudi, Swim Shady, Jay-Sea and Sea-Yoncé.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7353825745661250862\" data-video-id=\"7353825745661250862\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> AN OCTOPOSSE \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"petoctopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/petoctopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#petoctopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"mom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/mom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#mom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"crabcake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/crabcake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#crabcake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"clambake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/clambake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#clambake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"octomom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octomom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octomom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"biology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/biology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#biology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"carpetcleaners\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/carpetcleaners?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#carpetcleaners\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ original sound - Shoptopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/original-sound-7353825857968540462?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ original sound – Shoptopus\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"tiktok","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cal had burst into tears at the family dinner table when his father first announced that the local aquarium store had told him adopting an octopus would be possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Father and son together researched what was needed, deciding on a saltwater tank and water cycling system and ensuring they would be able to source food for the soft-bodied sea creature.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The family’s younger son Lyle and mom Kari also joined the project in their own ways. A family friend who is a reptile scientist has provided support and advice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While female octopuses usually die soon after laying their eggs, Clifford said Terrance remains alive four months later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7355098970932153646\" data-video-id=\"7355098970932153646\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> FB Marketplace IYKYK \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"aquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/aquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#aquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"mom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/mom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#mom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"clambake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/clambake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#clambake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"petoctopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/petoctopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#petoctopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"crabcake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/crabcake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#crabcake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ original sound - Shoptopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/original-sound-7355099371962583851?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ original sound – Shoptopus\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"tiktok","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Clifford said the family has gained much from the experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13955125","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Aside from the physical, financial and emotional requirements of owning a species such as a bimac, you will learn a lot about yourself in the process,” the Arizona-born Clifford told TikTok followers in his app-generated accent. “There’s always some valve or seal that’s not completely closed, and your storm resistant carpet isn’t rated for gallons and gallons of seawater. You’ll learn that seawater and electricity don’t always get along.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You will learn new things and meet incredible people and will learn that wildlife is magnificent,” he added. “But most of all, you’ll learn to love a not-so-tiny octopus like Terrance.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus/video/7356635947531849002\" data-video-id=\"7356635947531849002\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@doctoktopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@doctoktopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@doctoktopus\u003c/a> THANK YOU OCTO-NATION 🐙 ❤️ \u003ca title=\"octopus\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/octopus?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#octopus\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"marinebiology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/marinebiology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#marinebiology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"shrimpdaddy\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/shrimpdaddy?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#shrimpdaddy\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwateraquarium\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwateraquarium?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwateraquarium\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"fyp\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/fyp?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#fyp\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"saltwatertank\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/saltwatertank?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#saltwatertank\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"mom\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/mom?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#mom\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"crabcake\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/crabcake?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#crabcake\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"cephalopod\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/cephalopod?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#cephalopod\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"biology\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/biology?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#biology\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"carpetcleaners\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/tag/carpetcleaners?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">#carpetcleaners\u003c/a> \u003ca title=\"♬ Elevator Music (Music Background) - Music Background & Easy Listening Background Music & Haruto Nakamori\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/Elevator-Music-Music-Background-6841973391990212610?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ Elevator Music (Music Background) – Music Background & Easy Listening Background Music & Haruto Nakamori\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"tiktok","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13956032/tiktok-octopus-terrance-two-spot-california-weird-pets","authors":["byline_arts_13956032"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_9124","arts_8818","arts_2137","arts_2391","arts_8017"],"featImg":"arts_13956034","label":"arts"},"arts_13955913":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13955913","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13955913","score":null,"sort":[1712956692000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"conan-obrien-hot-ones-best-guest-ever","title":"Is Conan O’Brien the Most Perfect ‘Hot Ones’ Guest Ever?","publishDate":1712956692,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Is Conan O’Brien the Most Perfect ‘Hot Ones’ Guest Ever? | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>By now, someone’s probably sent you the clip of \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALlhXl6CmA\">Conan O’Brien on the internet series \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, going full chaos gremlin: red-cheeked, sweating, drooling, his face smeared with hot sauce and bellowing about seizing the moment (“This isn’t a bit! This is LIIIIIFE!”). He looks crazed. If you haven’t yet seen that clip, sit tight. It’s going viral, as the kids used to say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it’s not the first time. You know that Paul Rudd meme, where \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yd3lQVbkYc\">he grins widely, radiating warmth and camaraderie\u003c/a> (“Hey. Look at us.”)? That’s from \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em>, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-13955916\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/giphy.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"480\" height=\"270\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ditto \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ntwS9EbaQ8\">Jennifer Lawrence panicking and laugh-sobbing\u003c/a> (“What do you mean? What do you MEAN?”).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-13955917\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/giphy-1.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"480\" height=\"318\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now it’s Conan’s turn. He turned up on the show to promote\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDFFY6swDY0\"> his new Max travel series \u003c/a>and wasted no time seizing control of the interview and the premise itself. O’Brien is known as a performer who can’t help but be “on” all the time, no matter the size of his audience. When he wrote on \u003cem>The Simpsons\u003c/em>, he and his colleagues in the writers’ room would be sitting around a table; they’d be pitching jokes, and he’d be miming an elaborate routine in which he was an astronaut strapping himself into a rocket ship — all for the benefit of the guys across the table from him. On his podcast,\u003cem> Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend\u003c/em>, he tosses out an incessant series of bits to the delight (mostly) of his producer and assistant. There’s a restless, needy quality to his comedy that would be worrisome if his instincts weren’t so sharp if he wasn’t funny as he is.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The perfect guest?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>But before we unpack how and why O’Brien just became the best \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> guest ever, we need to consider the show itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The first time you heard the premise of \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em>, the YouTube series on which celebrities are interviewed by the affable and scrupulously well-prepared host Sean Evans as they consume a series of increasingly spicy buffalo wings, you probably thought it sounded like a dumb gimmick. Then you probably started poking around to see if any of your favorite celebrities had been a guest. Then you watched one episode. And then, it was all over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13952823']There are entire Reddit forums dedicated to ranking which \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> guests are “the best,” but determining that involves a very subjective calculus. Some want to see guests melt down; others want them to power through without breaking a sweat. Some watch in the hope that they’ll gain new insights into the personality of a given celebrity as the various hot sauces start to dissolve their pat, media-trained soundbites like the blood of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqHJ1tomnk\">Xenomorph eats through the Nostromo\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The good news is that there’s a \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> episode for whatever you’re looking for. Different guests react very differently, and your favorite episode may not be anyone else’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For me, a great guest has to come in with hubris — the excessive pride of tragic heroes — because they bring their own narrative arc to the endeavor. Because Idris Elba approached the challenge with dismissive bravado, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYRS0aXaBC8\">his downfall — coughing, sweating, swearing, mock-threatening a producer\u003c/a> — was all the more satisfying. Ditto \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DyHthJ6LA\">Gordon Ramsay\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ClNliCW0w\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s also delightful when an episode seems to confirm your pre-existing impression of a guest. Padma Lakshmi \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-P5-7eV9GE\">stayed cool in every sense of the word \u003c/a>as she answered Evans’ questions and commented insightfully on the flavor profiles of the various sauces (even the infamous Da Bomb, which clocks in at 119,700 Scoville units and reportedly tastes as if kerosene were angry at you).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-cQ_Wtv0sQ\">Elijah Wood\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxGmGGmvFD8\">Tom Holland\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBJq-XCP27c\">Michael Cera\u003c/a> demonstrated a deep knowledge of the show, endearing them to fans. Alton Brown brought a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-k7VYwsHg\">know-it-all diffidence\u003c/a>, which was not particularly endearing. \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_9v-7rtVDk\">Key & Peele \u003c/a>belong to that cohort of guests who turn on the host hilariously (see also: \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sZH-psg9yE\">Shaq\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lvrikv6oPs\">Bill Burr\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdje6vlVXuA\">Lizzo\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4lxK6EU04k\">Michael Rapaport\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5YxwFgRRCI\">Ed Helms\u003c/a>). \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaoEyTZpv18\">Lorde\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGuC6wunr-I&t=1s\">Jenna Ortega\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgQMW4eVrzw\">Charlize Theron\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t69oHRPb4E8\">Rachael Ray\u003c/a> weren’t bothered by the heat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SuBAKIHdLU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many guests have raved about interviewer Sean Evans over the years. Specifically, they’ve marveled at his questions, which are both deeply researched and novel. It’s fun to watch celebrities who have repeatedly spent their careers answering the same questions on press junkets realize that they’ve just been asked a question about something they dearly love and no one else has ever asked them about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it’s true — Evans is a good interviewer. But as a host myself, I’d love to hear him give his researchers some of the love he gets from guests. And if I have any quibble with the show, it’s that Evans is so thoroughly prepared that his questions always sound more like written English than spoken English; there’s a formality in the wording that doesn’t quite jibe with the looseness of the chemistry the show aims for.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Now, about that Conan episode.\u003c/h3>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@firstwefeast/video/7356962983794314539\" data-video-id=\"7356962983794314539\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@firstwefeast\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@firstwefeast?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@firstwefeast\u003c/a> @Team Coco \u003ca title=\"♬ original sound - Firstwefeast\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/original-sound-7356963250321230634?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ original sound – Firstwefeast\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>[tiktok]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conan has catapulted himself to the top of the list of \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> All-Stars because he knew exactly what he was getting into and what he had to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>1. He came prepared\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Conan brought along a human bit. He introduced us to his personal doctor (actually longtime writer and producer José Arroyo). It felt like an old-school show-biz gag, something you could picture Johnny Carson or Steve Allen doing. O’Brien’s ability to genuflect to his comedy forbears while striking out and doing something ridiculous on his own has endeared him to millions.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>2. He came to conquer\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Conan not only demonstrated a breezy familiarity with the show, but he also wasted little time ridiculing its premise (“What’s WRONG with you people? You don’t know what real danger looks like anymore!”).\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>3. He was, predictably, nuts\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> fans talk admiringly about the Padmas and the Charlizes – celebrities who run the show’s gauntlet without being bothered by the heat. Conan decided that he wouldn’t just mock the show’s premise; he’d put every previous guest who shrugged off the sauces’ spiciness to shame. He used his innate comic sensibility — that artisanal mix of restless/needy — to achieve icon status.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He didn’t merely dab the wings with hot sauce; he doused them with it. He loaded them up and smeared them across the table until they were laden with every stray drop. He licked them — lovingly, yet somehow angrily at the same time. He spread them across his face like woad; he slathered them around his nipples. He guzzled Da Bomb straight from the bottle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’ll say that again:\u003cem> He guzzled Da Bomb straight from the bottle! \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More importantly, He committed to the bit. Completely. Consummately.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He kept up the show of not being bothered, even as his face began to redden and his brow began to sweat. He kept it up, even as he started to drool, guzzle milk, pant, and give increasingly abstruse, rambling answers to Evans’ questions. And all that red sauce around his mouth made him look like an extra from \u003cem>Cannibal Holocaust\u003c/em> if it had been set in County Cork.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13955884']Even those of us who delighted in, say, an Aubrey Plaza managing to maintain her too-cool-for-school composure even as \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS68LmqFVeA\">she snorted milk up her nose\u003c/a> to cool the burn had never seen anything like this. We likely never will again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conan was so clearly suffering, and he’d done it to himself. We knew that because A. we have eyes, and B. because he began the interview by joking that, growing up as he did in an Irish household, “I never saw a spice until I was about 52 years old.” And yet here he’d joyously hurled himself into a swirling miasma of extreme pain and gastric distress, all for a lousy YouTube show bit, just to be an idiot capering for our delight in the global village.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We watched in helpless confusion and wonder (and a bit of fear) as he strapped himself into that rocket and took off.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fans of \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> refer to those celebrities who make it through the sauces without complaint as Spice Lords.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This week, Conan O’Brien went them all one better. Not because he could endure the spice but because he gave himself over to it. He became a Spice Legend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2024 NPR. 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This is LIIIIIFE!”). He looks crazed. If you haven’t yet seen that clip, sit tight. It’s going viral, as the kids used to say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it’s not the first time. You know that Paul Rudd meme, where \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yd3lQVbkYc\">he grins widely, radiating warmth and camaraderie\u003c/a> (“Hey. Look at us.”)? That’s from \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em>, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-13955916\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/giphy.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"480\" height=\"270\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ditto \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ntwS9EbaQ8\">Jennifer Lawrence panicking and laugh-sobbing\u003c/a> (“What do you mean? What do you MEAN?”).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-13955917\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/giphy-1.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"480\" height=\"318\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now it’s Conan’s turn. He turned up on the show to promote\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDFFY6swDY0\"> his new Max travel series \u003c/a>and wasted no time seizing control of the interview and the premise itself. O’Brien is known as a performer who can’t help but be “on” all the time, no matter the size of his audience. When he wrote on \u003cem>The Simpsons\u003c/em>, he and his colleagues in the writers’ room would be sitting around a table; they’d be pitching jokes, and he’d be miming an elaborate routine in which he was an astronaut strapping himself into a rocket ship — all for the benefit of the guys across the table from him. On his podcast,\u003cem> Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend\u003c/em>, he tosses out an incessant series of bits to the delight (mostly) of his producer and assistant. There’s a restless, needy quality to his comedy that would be worrisome if his instincts weren’t so sharp if he wasn’t funny as he is.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>The perfect guest?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>But before we unpack how and why O’Brien just became the best \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> guest ever, we need to consider the show itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The first time you heard the premise of \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em>, the YouTube series on which celebrities are interviewed by the affable and scrupulously well-prepared host Sean Evans as they consume a series of increasingly spicy buffalo wings, you probably thought it sounded like a dumb gimmick. Then you probably started poking around to see if any of your favorite celebrities had been a guest. Then you watched one episode. And then, it was all over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13952823","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>There are entire Reddit forums dedicated to ranking which \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> guests are “the best,” but determining that involves a very subjective calculus. Some want to see guests melt down; others want them to power through without breaking a sweat. Some watch in the hope that they’ll gain new insights into the personality of a given celebrity as the various hot sauces start to dissolve their pat, media-trained soundbites like the blood of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqHJ1tomnk\">Xenomorph eats through the Nostromo\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The good news is that there’s a \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> episode for whatever you’re looking for. Different guests react very differently, and your favorite episode may not be anyone else’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For me, a great guest has to come in with hubris — the excessive pride of tragic heroes — because they bring their own narrative arc to the endeavor. Because Idris Elba approached the challenge with dismissive bravado, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYRS0aXaBC8\">his downfall — coughing, sweating, swearing, mock-threatening a producer\u003c/a> — was all the more satisfying. Ditto \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DyHthJ6LA\">Gordon Ramsay\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/A7ClNliCW0w'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/A7ClNliCW0w'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>But it’s also delightful when an episode seems to confirm your pre-existing impression of a guest. Padma Lakshmi \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-P5-7eV9GE\">stayed cool in every sense of the word \u003c/a>as she answered Evans’ questions and commented insightfully on the flavor profiles of the various sauces (even the infamous Da Bomb, which clocks in at 119,700 Scoville units and reportedly tastes as if kerosene were angry at you).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-cQ_Wtv0sQ\">Elijah Wood\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxGmGGmvFD8\">Tom Holland\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBJq-XCP27c\">Michael Cera\u003c/a> demonstrated a deep knowledge of the show, endearing them to fans. Alton Brown brought a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-k7VYwsHg\">know-it-all diffidence\u003c/a>, which was not particularly endearing. \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_9v-7rtVDk\">Key & Peele \u003c/a>belong to that cohort of guests who turn on the host hilariously (see also: \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sZH-psg9yE\">Shaq\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lvrikv6oPs\">Bill Burr\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdje6vlVXuA\">Lizzo\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4lxK6EU04k\">Michael Rapaport\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5YxwFgRRCI\">Ed Helms\u003c/a>). \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaoEyTZpv18\">Lorde\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGuC6wunr-I&t=1s\">Jenna Ortega\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgQMW4eVrzw\">Charlize Theron\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t69oHRPb4E8\">Rachael Ray\u003c/a> weren’t bothered by the heat.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/7SuBAKIHdLU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/7SuBAKIHdLU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Many guests have raved about interviewer Sean Evans over the years. Specifically, they’ve marveled at his questions, which are both deeply researched and novel. It’s fun to watch celebrities who have repeatedly spent their careers answering the same questions on press junkets realize that they’ve just been asked a question about something they dearly love and no one else has ever asked them about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And it’s true — Evans is a good interviewer. But as a host myself, I’d love to hear him give his researchers some of the love he gets from guests. And if I have any quibble with the show, it’s that Evans is so thoroughly prepared that his questions always sound more like written English than spoken English; there’s a formality in the wording that doesn’t quite jibe with the looseness of the chemistry the show aims for.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Now, about that Conan episode.\u003c/h3>\n\u003cblockquote class=\"tiktok-embed\" style=\"max-width: 605px;min-width: 325px\" cite=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@firstwefeast/video/7356962983794314539\" data-video-id=\"7356962983794314539\">\n\u003csection>\u003ca title=\"@firstwefeast\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/@firstwefeast?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">@firstwefeast\u003c/a> @Team Coco \u003ca title=\"♬ original sound - Firstwefeast\" href=\"https://www.tiktok.com/music/original-sound-7356963250321230634?refer=embed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">♬ original sound – Firstwefeast\u003c/a>\u003c/section>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"tiktok","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conan has catapulted himself to the top of the list of \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> All-Stars because he knew exactly what he was getting into and what he had to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>1. He came prepared\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Conan brought along a human bit. He introduced us to his personal doctor (actually longtime writer and producer José Arroyo). It felt like an old-school show-biz gag, something you could picture Johnny Carson or Steve Allen doing. O’Brien’s ability to genuflect to his comedy forbears while striking out and doing something ridiculous on his own has endeared him to millions.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>2. He came to conquer\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Conan not only demonstrated a breezy familiarity with the show, but he also wasted little time ridiculing its premise (“What’s WRONG with you people? You don’t know what real danger looks like anymore!”).\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>3. He was, predictably, nuts\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> fans talk admiringly about the Padmas and the Charlizes – celebrities who run the show’s gauntlet without being bothered by the heat. Conan decided that he wouldn’t just mock the show’s premise; he’d put every previous guest who shrugged off the sauces’ spiciness to shame. He used his innate comic sensibility — that artisanal mix of restless/needy — to achieve icon status.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He didn’t merely dab the wings with hot sauce; he doused them with it. He loaded them up and smeared them across the table until they were laden with every stray drop. He licked them — lovingly, yet somehow angrily at the same time. He spread them across his face like woad; he slathered them around his nipples. He guzzled Da Bomb straight from the bottle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’ll say that again:\u003cem> He guzzled Da Bomb straight from the bottle! \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More importantly, He committed to the bit. Completely. Consummately.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He kept up the show of not being bothered, even as his face began to redden and his brow began to sweat. He kept it up, even as he started to drool, guzzle milk, pant, and give increasingly abstruse, rambling answers to Evans’ questions. And all that red sauce around his mouth made him look like an extra from \u003cem>Cannibal Holocaust\u003c/em> if it had been set in County Cork.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13955884","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Even those of us who delighted in, say, an Aubrey Plaza managing to maintain her too-cool-for-school composure even as \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS68LmqFVeA\">she snorted milk up her nose\u003c/a> to cool the burn had never seen anything like this. We likely never will again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conan was so clearly suffering, and he’d done it to himself. We knew that because A. we have eyes, and B. because he began the interview by joking that, growing up as he did in an Irish household, “I never saw a spice until I was about 52 years old.” And yet here he’d joyously hurled himself into a swirling miasma of extreme pain and gastric distress, all for a lousy YouTube show bit, just to be an idiot capering for our delight in the global village.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We watched in helpless confusion and wonder (and a bit of fear) as he strapped himself into that rocket and took off.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fans of \u003cem>Hot Ones\u003c/em> refer to those celebrities who make it through the sauces without complaint as Spice Lords.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This week, Conan O’Brien went them all one better. Not because he could endure the spice but because he gave himself over to it. He became a Spice Legend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2024 NPR. To see more, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">visit NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Is+Conan+O%27Brien+the+best+%27Hot+Ones%27+guest+ever%3F+Discuss.&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13955913/conan-obrien-hot-ones-best-guest-ever","authors":["byline_arts_13955913"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_968","arts_12276","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_1297","arts_2391","arts_585"],"affiliates":["arts_137"],"featImg":"arts_13955919","label":"source_arts_13955913"},"arts_13931533":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13931533","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13931533","score":null,"sort":[1689289540000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"taylor-swift-irs-fbi-woke-gen-z-how-do-you-do-fellow-kids","title":"The FBI, IRS and Other Cringe-Makers Trying To Reach Gen Z on Social Media","publishDate":1689289540,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The FBI, IRS and Other Cringe-Makers Trying To Reach Gen Z on Social Media | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>You know that feeling you get every time a Fox News presenter uses the word “woke”? That full-body cringe? You probably also experience it every time your dad says “on fleek” or your aunt talks about getting a “glow up.” And I’m fairly certain everyone who watched the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13925510/senators-are-calling-on-the-justice-department-to-look-into-ticketmasters-practices\">Ticketmaster Senate hearing\u003c/a> last January knows exactly what I’m talking about. (Thanks for all the forced Taylor Swift references, politicians!)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z347R_2R0HM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s become virtually impossible to avoid these kinds of pandering pop culture references and cringeworthy puns, even in what should be the dullest corners of the internet. There have lately been some major offenders! Let us now collectively point in their direction and judge them.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The FBI Wants You to ‘Speak Now’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Let’s take a moment to think this one through, because honestly, it boggles the mind on multiple levels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Three days after Taylor Swift released her much-hyped \u003cem>Speak Now (Taylor’s Version) \u003c/em>album, someone at the actual Federal Bureau of Investigation noticed, had an incredibly misguided ‘ah-ha’ moment, then came up with … this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/FBIWFO/status/1678524780230656000\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Because, sure, one of the best ways to get federal crime tips is to wink at a bunch of Taylor Swift fans on Twitter and expect them to immediately spill the many felony-related secrets they’ve been harboring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Snitching: Apparently just one well-placed “Better Than Revenge” reference away!\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>H&R Block Goes to ‘Taxchella’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Remember that nerdy kid from math club who decided one summer they were going to be cool next year? So they showed up Sophomore year wearing a brand new, stiff-as-all-get-out leather jacket over their regular nerd clothes, and thought that would do the trick? This H&R Block tweet reminds me of that kid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/HRBlock/status/1646875959537147906\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think we can all agree that Portugal, the Tax Pro is a real low point here.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Velveeta Gets in on the Stupid Coachella Thing\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Say what you want about H&R Block’s abomination, but at least it was timed to coincide with the first day of Coachella. Velveeta (you heard me) waited two full months to hit the internet with this — a fake festival lineup full of dairy puns that uses the word “drip” repeatedly and still expects us to want to eat cheese afterwards.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/CuUsRBiSyiA/\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Really, Velveeta social media person? You’re just gonna go ahead and leave Cheesy XCX sitting there right above Cheesy XX? For shame.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The State of New Jersey Knows a Song\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The scene: An over-decorated corner of an office block in Trenton, NJ. Two social media employees smile at each other, fresh from Photoshopping the state of New Jersey onto a picture of Baby Yoda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Susan: Man. We are killing it, bro.\u003cbr>\nDave: I know, dude. What’s next?\u003cbr>\nSusan: I mean… I’ve got this GIF of a pier at sunset?\u003cbr>\nDave: Should we Photoshop Baby Yoda onto it?\u003cbr>\nSusan: Hold my Snapple, friend, because I’ve got an even better idea.\u003cbr>\nDave: Is the idea just “Lizzo”?\u003cbr>\nSusan: Yes!\u003cbr>\nDave: Isn’t she from Detroit though?\u003cbr>\nSusan: Yeah, but… That’s close enough though, right?\u003cbr>\nDave: Totally, dude. Still a genius idea. Just make sure you do the text in lowercase like The Kids do it.\u003cbr>\nSusan: Done!\u003cbr>\nDave and Susan: *high five*\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/NJGov/status/1227975614742876160\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How Deep is the Ocean?” by Frank Sinatra — who actually \u003cem>is\u003c/em> from New Jersey — was right there, Susan. Right friggin’ there.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The IRS Wants You to Think It Gets Nintendo\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Someone at the IRS thinks that if you need a six-month extension on filing your taxes, you’re probably a Super Mario Bros. fan. (Gamers, amiright?)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Check out these killer and not at all boxy graphics!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/CqrEcdsLZUR/?img_index=1\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“No fire will come your way”? Really, IRS? This is not as seamless as you think it was.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>New York City’s Conflicts of Interest Board Has a Full-Blown Meltdown\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Not gonna lie, I did have to look up what the New York Conflicts of Interest Board does exactly. If you also don’t know — and to put it as briefly as possible — it’s a government agency that “seeks to prevent ethics questions from becoming ethics problems for public servants.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Less easy to understand is why on God’s green Earth these tweets happened:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/NYCCOIB/status/1228399887588392960\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What just happened? I mean… What. Just. Happened?\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>United Tries to Do a ‘Barbie’ Something\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Thanks, United. This makes no sense. No sense at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/Cqq271EuOrh/?hl=en\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The laziness is brazen.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The TSA Turns ‘Barbie’ Into a Slasher Movie\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>What is it with air travel-related accounts and Greta Gerwig’s friggin’ \u003cem>Barbie\u003c/em> movie?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not to be outdone by United, someone at the TSA took it upon themselves to transform an amusing, tongue-in-cheek \u003cem>Barbie\u003c/em> publicity image into a Cronenberg-ian nightmare that:\u003c/p>\n\u003col>\n\u003cli>Extracts any and all semblance of humor from the image\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Severs Barbie’s legs from her torso (!)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Jams Barbie’s body full of knives (!!)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Punishes anyone foolish enough to keep looking at this with a list of godawful puns\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ol>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/CqtMDJtP1AX/?img_index=1\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This feels like an HR violation.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Parks and … what the heck?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>New York City’s Parks Department is prone to leaning into hip-hop culture, posting recent clips of rappers Sean Combs, Fat Joe and Jim Jones. One still has to wonder what its social media team was trying to say when it posted \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CMQwnSXgY2U/?hl=en\">this clip from 1991’s \u003cem>New Jack City\u003c/em>\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/CMQwnSXgY2U/?hl=en\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perhaps “Come hang out at our New York City playgrounds where guns are plentiful, men are intimidating and women wear terrible hats?” Slow clap, Parks and Rec department. Slow clap.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Product Safety Folks Do … Whatever This is\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>If you are a dull entity insisting on making pop culture references in your social media posts, the least you can do is reference things that normal people understand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let us ponder the wonder contained in this U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission post:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1230277447859474433\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I tried hard to understand what the bejesus was going on here and, beyond the obvious laser cat meme, all I managed to figure out is “Should have sent a poet” is a quote from (*checks notes*) the 1997 Jodie Foster alien movie \u003cem>Contact.\u003c/em> (Way to keep it current, guys!) Who Franklin and Dr. Jackson are remains a mystery that not even Google can solve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Good luck out there.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The FBI and IRS are among the many formal institutions trying to be Down With The Kids on social media. The results are beyond cringe. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705005275,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":32,"wordCount":1192},"headData":{"title":"The FBI Just Asked Taylor Swift Fans for Crime Tips | KQED","description":"The FBI and IRS are among the many formal institutions trying to be Down With The Kids on social media. The results are beyond cringe. 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That full-body cringe? You probably also experience it every time your dad says “on fleek” or your aunt talks about getting a “glow up.” And I’m fairly certain everyone who watched the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13925510/senators-are-calling-on-the-justice-department-to-look-into-ticketmasters-practices\">Ticketmaster Senate hearing\u003c/a> last January knows exactly what I’m talking about. 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So they showed up Sophomore year wearing a brand new, stiff-as-all-get-out leather jacket over their regular nerd clothes, and thought that would do the trick? This H&R Block tweet reminds me of that kid.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1646875959537147906"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>I think we can all agree that Portugal, the Tax Pro is a real low point here.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Velveeta Gets in on the Stupid Coachella Thing\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Say what you want about H&R Block’s abomination, but at least it was timed to coincide with the first day of Coachella. Velveeta (you heard me) waited two full months to hit the internet with this — a fake festival lineup full of dairy puns that uses the word “drip” repeatedly and still expects us to want to eat cheese afterwards.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"CuUsRBiSyiA"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Really, Velveeta social media person? You’re just gonna go ahead and leave Cheesy XCX sitting there right above Cheesy XX? For shame.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The State of New Jersey Knows a Song\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The scene: An over-decorated corner of an office block in Trenton, NJ. Two social media employees smile at each other, fresh from Photoshopping the state of New Jersey onto a picture of Baby Yoda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Susan: Man. We are killing it, bro.\u003cbr>\nDave: I know, dude. 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Right friggin’ there.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The IRS Wants You to Think It Gets Nintendo\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Someone at the IRS thinks that if you need a six-month extension on filing your taxes, you’re probably a Super Mario Bros. fan. (Gamers, amiright?)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Check out these killer and not at all boxy graphics!\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"CqrEcdsLZUR"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>“No fire will come your way”? Really, IRS? This is not as seamless as you think it was.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>New York City’s Conflicts of Interest Board Has a Full-Blown Meltdown\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Not gonna lie, I did have to look up what the New York Conflicts of Interest Board does exactly. 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No sense at all.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"Cqq271EuOrh"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The laziness is brazen.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The TSA Turns ‘Barbie’ Into a Slasher Movie\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>What is it with air travel-related accounts and Greta Gerwig’s friggin’ \u003cem>Barbie\u003c/em> movie?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not to be outdone by United, someone at the TSA took it upon themselves to transform an amusing, tongue-in-cheek \u003cem>Barbie\u003c/em> publicity image into a Cronenberg-ian nightmare that:\u003c/p>\n\u003col>\n\u003cli>Extracts any and all semblance of humor from the image\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Severs Barbie’s legs from her torso (!)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Jams Barbie’s body full of knives (!!)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Punishes anyone foolish enough to keep looking at this with a list of godawful puns\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ol>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"CqtMDJtP1AX"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>This feels like an HR violation.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Parks and … what the heck?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>New York City’s Parks Department is prone to leaning into hip-hop culture, posting recent clips of rappers Sean Combs, Fat Joe and Jim Jones. One still has to wonder what its social media team was trying to say when it posted \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/CMQwnSXgY2U/?hl=en\">this clip from 1991’s \u003cem>New Jack City\u003c/em>\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"instagramLink","attributes":{"named":{"instagramId":"CMQwnSXgY2U"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Perhaps “Come hang out at our New York City playgrounds where guns are plentiful, men are intimidating and women wear terrible hats?” Slow clap, Parks and Rec department. Slow clap.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Product Safety Folks Do … Whatever This is\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>If you are a dull entity insisting on making pop culture references in your social media posts, the least you can do is reference things that normal people understand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Let us ponder the wonder contained in this U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission post:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1230277447859474433"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>I tried hard to understand what the bejesus was going on here and, beyond the obvious laser cat meme, all I managed to figure out is “Should have sent a poet” is a quote from (*checks notes*) the 1997 Jodie Foster alien movie \u003cem>Contact.\u003c/em> (Way to keep it current, guys!) Who Franklin and Dr. Jackson are remains a mystery that not even Google can solve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Good luck out there.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13931533/taylor-swift-irs-fbi-woke-gen-z-how-do-you-do-fellow-kids","authors":["11242"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_2303","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_14452","arts_2767","arts_2098","arts_11994","arts_2137","arts_2391","arts_1553"],"featImg":"arts_13931693","label":"arts"},"arts_13921914":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13921914","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13921914","score":null,"sort":[1669852852000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"a-conversation-with-a-stranger-about-love","title":"A Conversation With a Stranger About Love","publishDate":1669852852,"format":"aside","headTitle":"A Conversation With a Stranger About Love | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13922094\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A young woman, back to the camera, walks alone at night, illuminated by a lamp along a park path\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13922094\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped.jpg 1254w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">What does love’s fullness look and feel like? And how will I know that what I’m experiencing is the real thing? \u003ccite>(iStock)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This week, as we near the end of 2022, the writers and editors of KQED Arts & Culture are reflecting on \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/tag/one-beautiful-thing\">One Beautiful Thing\u003c/a> from the year. Here, recalling a late-night chat with a stranger on the internet, intern Kristie Song reflects on love’s possibility, and the forms its arrival may take.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-size: 4.6875em;float: left;line-height: 0.733em;padding: 0.05em 0.1em 0 0;font-family: times, serif, georgia\">I\u003c/span>n April, I asked a stranger what it felt like to be in love.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As we sat in our dimly lit rooms miles away from each other, threaded together by a weak internet connection, Erik told me about the first time they had ever truly and profoundly felt in love.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s just a feeling of fullness. A feeling of sunshine, of comfort, of warmth and safety that has never really left me since that relationship.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Kristie.headshot.bio_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"160\" height=\"182\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-13922096\">I had asked because I’d never experienced this kind of love myself. Like a child trying to make sense of outer space, or insects, I leaned in and prodded. \u003ci>Why? How? And then what? \u003c/i>What does this fullness look and feel like? And how do I know that what I’m experiencing is the real thing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’ve had hundreds of crushes over the years, but those brief minglings with affection and projected fantasies of love never lasted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In my first year of college, I hopped from dorm to dorm, avoiding my own as much as possible. One evening, I was resting on my friend’s bed when one of her roommates walked in, huffed and plopped herself beside me. “I had a shit day,” she said. “Can we cuddle?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’d never held someone or been held in this way, but nodded and turned to my side. She wrapped an arm around my torso tightly, pressing herself into me. I don’t remember how long it lasted, but my new and normally rambunctious friend was silent the whole time, her pulse steady in the small of my back, her breath even in the crook of my neck. That moment, in the quiet of that room, where our tired bodies met — did that constitute fullness?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the past, I projected love onto people who’d affirmed me in some way, who made me feel that my body and mind were of value. I yearned for a love that treasured what I loathed about myself, a voice to blanket the one inside my head that berated my every move, feature and action. (This is, perhaps, an impossible goal.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, in late March, I went to the theater to watch Joachim Trier’s \u003cem>The Worst Person in the World\u003c/em>. In the film, a woman not much older than I stumbles into relationship and relationship, seeking a kind of romantic salve to quiet her turbulent mind. Afterward, I walked the winding road home and thought of the ways I, too, had tried to convince people to love and “fix” me. How I yielded to kisses shared on unfamiliar beds and offered myself up emotionally, opening my heart wider and wider to others, telling myself that this is how I can properly give and receive romantic intimacy. When these people would inevitably leave, I searched for others to fill the fissures left behind, repeating the cycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, this urgency envelops my brain. \u003ci>I need to experience it now or I never will!\u003c/i> I want to know what love feels like, but how do I know I’ve stumbled upon something right when all I’ve come across are its caricatures? It’s like peering at a silhouette: you can gaze at its shape, its apparition, but all you can do is trace its outlines over and over, hoping in vain that the image will make itself clear someday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I told Erik about this, as we neared the end of our conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’ll know when it happens. It’s a feeling, it’s not a thought,” they replied. “It’s not like, ‘Okay, this checks all my boxes.’ It’s an emotional, visceral feeling of safety and trust, basically.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, I’ve laid my search for love to rest. I’m looking for something else. A feeling: the warm bubbling of easy laughter, the comfort of being able to speak openly and stumble over my words without the pressure to be witty or inquisitive in moments where I just want to be silent. I’m looking for contentment, something slow and sure and which doesn’t need convincing. I’m seeking intimacy that doesn’t harbor ulterior motives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’m seeking a love that doesn’t need to be earned, because after this year, I’m finally understanding that it never really needed to be.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"This year, I realized that love — slow and sure love — doesn't need convincing. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705006111,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":842},"headData":{"title":"A Conversation With a Stranger About Love | KQED","description":"This year, I realized that love — slow and sure love — doesn't need convincing. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"A Conversation With a Stranger About Love","datePublished":"2022-12-01T00:00:52.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T20:48:31.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"source":"One Beautiful Thing from 2022","sourceUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/arts/tag/one-beautiful-thing","sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/arts/13921914/a-conversation-with-a-stranger-about-love","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13922094\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A young woman, back to the camera, walks alone at night, illuminated by a lamp along a park path\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13922094\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/ConvoAboutLove.uncropped.jpg 1254w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">What does love’s fullness look and feel like? And how will I know that what I’m experiencing is the real thing? \u003ccite>(iStock)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This week, as we near the end of 2022, the writers and editors of KQED Arts & Culture are reflecting on \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/tag/one-beautiful-thing\">One Beautiful Thing\u003c/a> from the year. Here, recalling a late-night chat with a stranger on the internet, intern Kristie Song reflects on love’s possibility, and the forms its arrival may take.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-size: 4.6875em;float: left;line-height: 0.733em;padding: 0.05em 0.1em 0 0;font-family: times, serif, georgia\">I\u003c/span>n April, I asked a stranger what it felt like to be in love.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As we sat in our dimly lit rooms miles away from each other, threaded together by a weak internet connection, Erik told me about the first time they had ever truly and profoundly felt in love.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s just a feeling of fullness. A feeling of sunshine, of comfort, of warmth and safety that has never really left me since that relationship.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Kristie.headshot.bio_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"160\" height=\"182\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-13922096\">I had asked because I’d never experienced this kind of love myself. Like a child trying to make sense of outer space, or insects, I leaned in and prodded. \u003ci>Why? How? And then what? \u003c/i>What does this fullness look and feel like? And how do I know that what I’m experiencing is the real thing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’ve had hundreds of crushes over the years, but those brief minglings with affection and projected fantasies of love never lasted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In my first year of college, I hopped from dorm to dorm, avoiding my own as much as possible. One evening, I was resting on my friend’s bed when one of her roommates walked in, huffed and plopped herself beside me. “I had a shit day,” she said. “Can we cuddle?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’d never held someone or been held in this way, but nodded and turned to my side. She wrapped an arm around my torso tightly, pressing herself into me. I don’t remember how long it lasted, but my new and normally rambunctious friend was silent the whole time, her pulse steady in the small of my back, her breath even in the crook of my neck. That moment, in the quiet of that room, where our tired bodies met — did that constitute fullness?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the past, I projected love onto people who’d affirmed me in some way, who made me feel that my body and mind were of value. I yearned for a love that treasured what I loathed about myself, a voice to blanket the one inside my head that berated my every move, feature and action. (This is, perhaps, an impossible goal.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, in late March, I went to the theater to watch Joachim Trier’s \u003cem>The Worst Person in the World\u003c/em>. In the film, a woman not much older than I stumbles into relationship and relationship, seeking a kind of romantic salve to quiet her turbulent mind. Afterward, I walked the winding road home and thought of the ways I, too, had tried to convince people to love and “fix” me. How I yielded to kisses shared on unfamiliar beds and offered myself up emotionally, opening my heart wider and wider to others, telling myself that this is how I can properly give and receive romantic intimacy. When these people would inevitably leave, I searched for others to fill the fissures left behind, repeating the cycle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, this urgency envelops my brain. \u003ci>I need to experience it now or I never will!\u003c/i> I want to know what love feels like, but how do I know I’ve stumbled upon something right when all I’ve come across are its caricatures? It’s like peering at a silhouette: you can gaze at its shape, its apparition, but all you can do is trace its outlines over and over, hoping in vain that the image will make itself clear someday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I told Erik about this, as we neared the end of our conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’ll know when it happens. It’s a feeling, it’s not a thought,” they replied. “It’s not like, ‘Okay, this checks all my boxes.’ It’s an emotional, visceral feeling of safety and trust, basically.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, I’ve laid my search for love to rest. I’m looking for something else. A feeling: the warm bubbling of easy laughter, the comfort of being able to speak openly and stumble over my words without the pressure to be witty or inquisitive in moments where I just want to be silent. I’m looking for contentment, something slow and sure and which doesn’t need convincing. 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Facebook’s internal systems used by employees also went down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company said it was aware that “some people are having trouble accessing (the) Facebook app” and it was working on restoring access. Regarding the internal failures, Adam Mosseri, the head of Instagram, tweeted that it feels like a “snow day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company did not say what might be causing the outage, which began around 11:45 ET. It is normal for websites and apps to suffer outages, though one on a global scale is rare. Users reported being unable to access Facebook in California, New York and Europe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Doug Madory, director of internet analysis for Kentik Inc., said it appears that the routes Facebook advertises online that tell the entire internet how to reach its properties are not available.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Madory said it looks like the DNS routes that Facebook makes available to the networking world have been withdrawn. The Domain Name System is an integral element of how traffic on the internet is routed. DNS translates an address like “facebook.com” to an IP address like 123.45.67.890. If Facebook’s DNS records have disappeared, no one could find it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Facebook is going through a separate major crisis after whistleblower Frances Haugen, a former Facebook product manager, provided \u003cem>The Wall Street Journal\u003c/em> with internal documents that exposed the company’s awareness of harms caused by of its products and decisions. Haugen \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen-4a3640440769d9a241c47670facac213\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">went public\u003c/a> on “60 Minutes” on Sunday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZbF_Zf3MM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Haugen also anonymously filed complaints with federal law enforcement alleging that Facebook’s own research shows how it magnifies hate and misinformation, leads to increased polarization and that Instagram, specifically, can harm teenage girls’ mental health.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>WSJ\u003c/em>‘s stories, called “The Facebook Files,” painted a picture of a company focused on growth and its own interests over the public good. Facebook has tried to play down the research. Nick Clegg, the company’s vice president of policy and public affairs, wrote to Facebook employees in a memo Friday that “social media has had a big impact on society in recent years, and Facebook is often a place where much of this debate plays out.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twitter, meanwhile, chimed in from the company’s main Twitter account, posting “hello literally everyone” as jokes and memes about the Facebook outage flooded the platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/Twitter/status/1445078208190291973\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/jckarter/status/1445089949024325634\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003cem>NPR editor’s note\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003cem>: This story was reported by The Associated Press and posted online by NPR. Facebook is among NPR’s financial supporters.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2021 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Facebook%2C+WhatsApp+and+Instagram+go+down+in+major%2C+worldwide+outage&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The company said it was \"aware that some people are having trouble accessing Facebook\" and it was working on restoring access.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705007656,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":474},"headData":{"title":"Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Go Down in Major, Worldwide Outage | KQED","description":"The company said it was "aware that some people are having trouble accessing Facebook" and it was working on restoring access.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Go Down in Major, Worldwide Outage","datePublished":"2021-10-04T19:39:36.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T21:14:16.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprImageCredit":"Richard Drew","nprByline":"The Associated Press","nprImageAgency":"AP","nprStoryId":"1043098635","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=1043098635&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/2021/10/04/1043098635/facebook-whatsapp-instagram-outage?ft=nprml&f=1043098635","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:22:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:22:53 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:22:53 -0400","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/arts/13904163/facebook-whatsapp-and-instagram-go-down-in-major-worldwide-outage","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Facebook and its Instagram and WhatsApp platforms were down across wide swathes of the world Monday. Facebook’s internal systems used by employees also went down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company said it was aware that “some people are having trouble accessing (the) Facebook app” and it was working on restoring access. Regarding the internal failures, Adam Mosseri, the head of Instagram, tweeted that it feels like a “snow day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company did not say what might be causing the outage, which began around 11:45 ET. It is normal for websites and apps to suffer outages, though one on a global scale is rare. Users reported being unable to access Facebook in California, New York and Europe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Doug Madory, director of internet analysis for Kentik Inc., said it appears that the routes Facebook advertises online that tell the entire internet how to reach its properties are not available.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Madory said it looks like the DNS routes that Facebook makes available to the networking world have been withdrawn. 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Facebook has tried to play down the research. 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Facebook is among NPR’s financial supporters.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2021 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Facebook%2C+WhatsApp+and+Instagram+go+down+in+major%2C+worldwide+outage&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13904163/facebook-whatsapp-and-instagram-go-down-in-major-worldwide-outage","authors":["byline_arts_13904163"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_1934","arts_2098","arts_2391","arts_1553"],"affiliates":["arts_137"],"featImg":"arts_13904164","label":"arts_137"},"arts_13903159":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13903159","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13903159","score":null,"sort":[1631734245000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"watch-rick-astley-performs-the-smiths-this-charming-man-better-than-morrissey","title":"Watch: Rick Astley Performs The Smiths’ ‘This Charming Man’ Better Than Morrissey","publishDate":1631734245,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Watch: Rick Astley Performs The Smiths’ ‘This Charming Man’ Better Than Morrissey | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>For years now, Bay Area music fans have been wrestling with The Morrissey Problem. This philosophical quandary is best described as the state of being desirous of listening to music by Morrissey and The Smiths, while simultaneously feeling thoroughly repelled by the singer’s poor treatment of his own fans. In recent years, the condition has been further exacerbated by Morrissey’s perplexing (and often deeply offensive) personal viewpoints.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Morrissey Problem has been taunting the Bay Area for almost a decade now. It first took hold between December 2011 and April 2013 when the singer failed to show up to concerts fans were looking forward to at the Fox Theater, Davies Symphony Hall (twice), the Regency Ballroom, \u003cem>and\u003c/em> the Warfield.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='pop_97306']Then, in 2018, Morrissey made things even worse by \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/103129/morrissey-completes-transition-into-your-most-racist-uncle\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">giving an interview\u003c/a> to his own website in which he expressed a variety of opinions best described as abhorrent. These included assertions that Hitler was leftwing, all halal meat is made by supporters of ISIS, and that political correctness was preventing people of color from being arrested for crimes they had committed (???).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It should come as some relief then that this week a remedy to The Morrissey Problem finally presented itself. It arrived via footage from a Sept. 13 show at London’s Kentish Town Forum, in which an impassioned rendition of Smiths’ classic “This Charming Man” was performed. The vocals were on point, the pompadour was in place, the audience sang along, and the mood was positively cathartic. How did this miracle happen, you ask? The answer—*triple checks notes*—is Rick Astley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yup. Rickrolling, “Never Gonna Give You Up,” scourge of YouTube, Rick Astley. But before you balk, just take a look at this footage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluAp8yEhZ8\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nailed it!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Astley joined Blossoms at the end of their headlining set at the 2,300-person venue to perform both “This Charming Man” and “Panic.” It was a small taster of what’s to come next month when Astley and the English indie pop quintet join forces for two full sets of Smiths covers. The first will take place in Morrissey’s hometown, Manchester, at the Albert Hall on Oct. 8. The following night, they’ll be back at the Forum in London.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Blossoms also released a sneak preview on their YouTube channel:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO2grvC9fdM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Needless to say, the internet was very pleased with this development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/LauraJaneGrace/status/1438128561949396993\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/stuartdredge/status/1438086260971741191\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/JGoldsbie/status/1438152751695937543\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The campaign to get a Rick Astley-fronted Smiths tour to California starts now.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Morrissey’s record of showing up to perform at his own Bay Area gigs is abysmal. Rick Astley offers an unlikely, appealing solution.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705007749,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":460},"headData":{"title":"Watch: Rick Astley Performs The Smiths’ ‘This Charming Man’ Better Than Morrissey | KQED","description":"Morrissey’s record of showing up to perform at his own Bay Area gigs is abysmal. 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This philosophical quandary is best described as the state of being desirous of listening to music by Morrissey and The Smiths, while simultaneously feeling thoroughly repelled by the singer’s poor treatment of his own fans. In recent years, the condition has been further exacerbated by Morrissey’s perplexing (and often deeply offensive) personal viewpoints.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Morrissey Problem has been taunting the Bay Area for almost a decade now. It first took hold between December 2011 and April 2013 when the singer failed to show up to concerts fans were looking forward to at the Fox Theater, Davies Symphony Hall (twice), the Regency Ballroom, \u003cem>and\u003c/em> the Warfield.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"pop_97306","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Then, in 2018, Morrissey made things even worse by \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/103129/morrissey-completes-transition-into-your-most-racist-uncle\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">giving an interview\u003c/a> to his own website in which he expressed a variety of opinions best described as abhorrent. These included assertions that Hitler was leftwing, all halal meat is made by supporters of ISIS, and that political correctness was preventing people of color from being arrested for crimes they had committed (???).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It should come as some relief then that this week a remedy to The Morrissey Problem finally presented itself. It arrived via footage from a Sept. 13 show at London’s Kentish Town Forum, in which an impassioned rendition of Smiths’ classic “This Charming Man” was performed. The vocals were on point, the pompadour was in place, the audience sang along, and the mood was positively cathartic. How did this miracle happen, you ask? The answer—*triple checks notes*—is Rick Astley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yup. Rickrolling, “Never Gonna Give You Up,” scourge of YouTube, Rick Astley. But before you balk, just take a look at this footage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/XluAp8yEhZ8'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/XluAp8yEhZ8'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Nailed it!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Astley joined Blossoms at the end of their headlining set at the 2,300-person venue to perform both “This Charming Man” and “Panic.” It was a small taster of what’s to come next month when Astley and the English indie pop quintet join forces for two full sets of Smiths covers. The first will take place in Morrissey’s hometown, Manchester, at the Albert Hall on Oct. 8. The following night, they’ll be back at the Forum in London.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Blossoms also released a sneak preview on their YouTube channel:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/gO2grvC9fdM'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/gO2grvC9fdM'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Needless to say, the internet was very pleased with this development.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1438128561949396993"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1438086260971741191"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1438152751695937543"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The campaign to get a Rick Astley-fronted Smiths tour to California starts now.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13903159/watch-rick-astley-performs-the-smiths-this-charming-man-better-than-morrissey","authors":["11242"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_69"],"tags":["arts_10278","arts_2391","arts_8491"],"featImg":"arts_13903169","label":"arts"},"arts_13898932":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13898932","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13898932","score":null,"sort":[1623968116000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"whats-wrong-with-social-media-chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-and-trevor-noah-just-explained","title":"What’s Wrong With Social Media? Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie and Trevor Noah Just Explained","publishDate":1623968116,"format":"standard","headTitle":"What’s Wrong With Social Media? Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie and Trevor Noah Just Explained | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>Earlier this week, feminist author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie went viral after posting an essay titled “\u003ca href=\"https://www.chimamanda.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">It Is Obscene: A True Reflection in Three Parts\u003c/a>.” (It garnered so much traffic so quickly, her website temporarily crashed.) In the essay, Adichie wrote about two students in her workshop who disparaged her on Twitter while also seeking to benefit from her name elsewhere. She also touched on the fallout from the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17/1007350665/chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-directs-fiery-essay-at-former-student-and-cancel-cultur\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">problematic comments\u003c/a> she made about trans women in a 2017 interview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In her new essay, Adichie’s conclusions about the effects of social media—particularly on “young people”—were decisive. “There are many social-media-savvy people who are choking on sanctimony and lacking in compassion,” she wrote, “who can fluidly pontificate on Twitter about kindness but are unable to actually show kindness.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='pop_69713']Adichie continued: “People who demand that you denounce your friends for flimsy reasons in order to remain a member of the chosen puritan class. People who depend on obfuscation, who have no compassion for anybody genuinely curious or confused. Ask them a question and you are told that the answer is to repeat a mantra … And so we have a generation of young people on social media so terrified of having the wrong opinions that they have robbed themselves of the opportunity to think and to learn and to grow.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The author concluded: “I have spoken to young people who tell me they are terrified to tweet anything, that they read and re-read their tweets because they fear they will be attacked by their own. The assumption of good faith is dead. What matters is not goodness but the appearance of goodness. We are no longer human beings. We are now angels jostling to out-angel one another. God help us. It is obscene.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Adichie’s sentiments were immediately greeted with a swift wall of objection on Twitter that has, in the days since, been replaced by a wave of support and intellectual analysis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1405172793780604929\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Adichie’s essay effectively highlighted the nuance and humanity that gets lost in performative righteousness. But during Wednesday night’s \u003cem>Daily Show\u003c/em>, Trevor Noah adeptly described the dark road that comes after trying to out-good people on the internet. In an in-depth analysis of social media etiquette, prompted by \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/chrissy-teigen-s-bullying-regret-fit-well-known-pattern-here-ncna1271016\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Chrissy Teigen’s apologies for bullying behavior\u003c/a> online, Noah attempted to take a hopeful tone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m glad [Teigen is] owning up to being a horrible person online,” he began, “because that is what we want, right? We want people to be better and we want people to grow. … What really gives me hope is that, back when Chrissy was bullying people online, millions of people were cheering for her. But now, a lot of those people are criticizing her for that same thing that they cheered. … It shows you that society has evolved.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNiQ60xBTG4\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Noah, without referencing Adichie’s essay, expanded on her observations regarding the online obsession with the “appearance of goodness.” He pointed out that the online compulsion to call others out for bad behavior often has a tendency to result in more of the same.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we have to understand,” Noah explained, “is that social media pushes people into being their most asshole-ish self. Roasting people, dunking on them, that’s how you get the likes. … Twitter sees when a few people attack someone, and they put that in the trending topics. … So then what do you end up with? You end up with millions of people looking to roast each other. To say the nastiest things they can think of, until they go too far, until all of a sudden the outrage they were a part of turns on them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Noah expanded further, saying, “That’s not a mistake. It’s how the system is set up. … There’s something about the platform that incentivizes people to be the worst versions of themselves.” [aside postid='arts_13893734']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Together, Adichie and Noah’s analyses perfectly pinpoint the cycle of bullying that social media can, and does, perpetuate. In online contexts, the desire to appear honorable can obliterate reasoned discussion, in favor of tearing down others in a manner that’s both simplified and amplified because of the format.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This online calling out and piling on has long been dismissed on the right as “cancel culture”—a term that is inherently disingenuous given the continuing careers of people who’ve been “canceled.” (In an interview with \u003cem>The Sunday Times\u003c/em> last week, Kevin Hart—whose positions were \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/WrittenByHanna/status/1404960739346030593\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">compared to Adichie\u003c/a>‘s essay by some Twitter users—noted that he’d been “canceled, what, three or four times?”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1281392795748569089\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have long needed an analysis of social media that allows for a spectrum between the left’s desire to hold others accountable and the right’s ongoing suggestion that any and all criticism be dismissed as so-called cancel culture. With Adichie and Noah’s sharp observations this week, we might finally be getting somewhere.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The cultural critics both offered takes on the pitfalls of social media this week, moving a long-tired conversation forward. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705008199,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":15,"wordCount":905},"headData":{"title":"What’s Wrong With Social Media? Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie and Trevor Noah Just Explained | KQED","description":"The cultural critics both offered takes on the pitfalls of social media this week, moving a long-tired conversation forward. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"What’s Wrong With Social Media? 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In the essay, Adichie wrote about two students in her workshop who disparaged her on Twitter while also seeking to benefit from her name elsewhere. She also touched on the fallout from the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17/1007350665/chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-directs-fiery-essay-at-former-student-and-cancel-cultur\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">problematic comments\u003c/a> she made about trans women in a 2017 interview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In her new essay, Adichie’s conclusions about the effects of social media—particularly on “young people”—were decisive. “There are many social-media-savvy people who are choking on sanctimony and lacking in compassion,” she wrote, “who can fluidly pontificate on Twitter about kindness but are unable to actually show kindness.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"pop_69713","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Adichie continued: “People who demand that you denounce your friends for flimsy reasons in order to remain a member of the chosen puritan class. People who depend on obfuscation, who have no compassion for anybody genuinely curious or confused. Ask them a question and you are told that the answer is to repeat a mantra … And so we have a generation of young people on social media so terrified of having the wrong opinions that they have robbed themselves of the opportunity to think and to learn and to grow.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The author concluded: “I have spoken to young people who tell me they are terrified to tweet anything, that they read and re-read their tweets because they fear they will be attacked by their own. The assumption of good faith is dead. What matters is not goodness but the appearance of goodness. We are no longer human beings. We are now angels jostling to out-angel one another. God help us. It is obscene.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Adichie’s sentiments were immediately greeted with a swift wall of objection on Twitter that has, in the days since, been replaced by a wave of support and intellectual analysis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1405172793780604929"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Adichie’s essay effectively highlighted the nuance and humanity that gets lost in performative righteousness. But during Wednesday night’s \u003cem>Daily Show\u003c/em>, Trevor Noah adeptly described the dark road that comes after trying to out-good people on the internet. In an in-depth analysis of social media etiquette, prompted by \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/chrissy-teigen-s-bullying-regret-fit-well-known-pattern-here-ncna1271016\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Chrissy Teigen’s apologies for bullying behavior\u003c/a> online, Noah attempted to take a hopeful tone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m glad [Teigen is] owning up to being a horrible person online,” he began, “because that is what we want, right? We want people to be better and we want people to grow. … What really gives me hope is that, back when Chrissy was bullying people online, millions of people were cheering for her. But now, a lot of those people are criticizing her for that same thing that they cheered. … It shows you that society has evolved.”\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/sNiQ60xBTG4'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/sNiQ60xBTG4'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Noah, without referencing Adichie’s essay, expanded on her observations regarding the online obsession with the “appearance of goodness.” He pointed out that the online compulsion to call others out for bad behavior often has a tendency to result in more of the same.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“What we have to understand,” Noah explained, “is that social media pushes people into being their most asshole-ish self. Roasting people, dunking on them, that’s how you get the likes. … Twitter sees when a few people attack someone, and they put that in the trending topics. … So then what do you end up with? You end up with millions of people looking to roast each other. To say the nastiest things they can think of, until they go too far, until all of a sudden the outrage they were a part of turns on them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Noah expanded further, saying, “That’s not a mistake. It’s how the system is set up. … There’s something about the platform that incentivizes people to be the worst versions of themselves.” \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13893734","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Together, Adichie and Noah’s analyses perfectly pinpoint the cycle of bullying that social media can, and does, perpetuate. In online contexts, the desire to appear honorable can obliterate reasoned discussion, in favor of tearing down others in a manner that’s both simplified and amplified because of the format.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This online calling out and piling on has long been dismissed on the right as “cancel culture”—a term that is inherently disingenuous given the continuing careers of people who’ve been “canceled.” (In an interview with \u003cem>The Sunday Times\u003c/em> last week, Kevin Hart—whose positions were \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/WrittenByHanna/status/1404960739346030593\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">compared to Adichie\u003c/a>‘s essay by some Twitter users—noted that he’d been “canceled, what, three or four times?”)\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1281392795748569089"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We have long needed an analysis of social media that allows for a spectrum between the left’s desire to hold others accountable and the right’s ongoing suggestion that any and all criticism be dismissed as so-called cancel culture. With Adichie and Noah’s sharp observations this week, we might finally be getting somewhere.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13898932/whats-wrong-with-social-media-chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-and-trevor-noah-just-explained","authors":["11242"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_2303","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_11323","arts_549","arts_2767","arts_10278","arts_2098","arts_2137","arts_2391","arts_1553"],"featImg":"arts_13898972","label":"arts"},"arts_13898064":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13898064","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13898064","score":null,"sort":[1622234818000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"babydog-the-west-virginia-governors-bulldog-wants-everyone-to-get-vaccinated-apparently","title":"Babydog, the West Virginia Governor's Bulldog, Wants Everyone to Get Vaccinated, Apparently","publishDate":1622234818,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Babydog, the West Virginia Governor’s Bulldog, Wants Everyone to Get Vaccinated, Apparently | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>Living in California is cool. Not just because of the obvious stuff—like the weather and the coastline—but also because our state politicians excel at keeping us safe when we’re getting a little too rowdy. It’s why smoking has been banned in bars here since 1989. It’s why we’ve got the strictest emissions standards in the country. And it’s why we were one of the first 10 states to issue a mask mandate in 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem with living in a state this sensible, however, is that politicians never have to cajole us into anything. Now, you might be thinking, “Isn’t that a good thing?” And sure, it probably was last week. But that was before West Virginia governor Jim Justice introduced the internet to his English bulldog, Babydog. (\u003cem>Babydog!\u003c/em>)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Babydog was brought out 34 minutes into a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t76XdgqBJQw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">press briefing\u003c/a> about West Virginia’s response to COVID-19, and was promptly used as a bargaining chip. “If you won’t do it for me, if you won’t do it for your family, you’ve got to get vaccinated for Babydog,” Justice said, attempting to make his sentient potato look animated. “She wants you to get vaccinated so badly. She’s going to be the one to lead us through all these incentives. And without any questions, she’ll give you a high-five right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/HaleighHoffman/status/1398113249963528194\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don’t know about the rest of you, but I would definitely get vaccinated two more times for a high-five from Babydog. After her nonchalant yet triumphant two-minute appearance was over, the meeting quickly moved to the office of retired general, Major Jim Hoyer. Hoyer visibly sighed before unmuting himself and uttering, “Well, I sure wish Dr. Marsh was here today, because I hate to follow Babydog…”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By Friday, Babydog was trending on Twitter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/braegr/status/1398316290767474695\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/HulaGrlatHeart/status/1398300080571142149\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/NClbw825/status/1398344923917832198\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>West Virginia’s percentage of fully vaccinated people is currently at 33.8% versus California’s 42.2%. Just imagine how much further ahead we’d be if Governor Newsom made a similar video. Not with his golden retriever Max though. Rather, he should unfurl the real power pet in the Newsom household—the bunny that appeared in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=211471220270299\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">family video\u003c/a> last year. Which looks like this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13898075\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13898075\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-800x652.png\" alt=\"Governor Gavin Newsom's long-haired pet bunny, appearing in a family video in 2020.\" width=\"800\" height=\"652\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-800x652.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-1020x831.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-160x130.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-768x626.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny.png 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Foolishly, Governor Gavin Newsom’s pet bunny has never asked anyone to get vaccinated. \u003ccite>(Facebook/ @CAgovernor )\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This eyeball in a floof pile probably wants you to get vaccinated just as much as Babydog. Hop to it, Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Babydog went viral after a COVID-related press briefing in which Gov. Jim Justice said she would \"high five\" vaccinated people.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705008294,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":9,"wordCount":469},"headData":{"title":"Babydog, the West Virginia Governor's Bulldog, Wants Everyone to Get Vaccinated, Apparently | KQED","description":"Babydog went viral after a COVID-related press briefing in which Gov. Jim Justice said she would "high five" vaccinated people.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"Babydog, the West Virginia Governor's Bulldog, Wants Everyone to Get Vaccinated, Apparently","datePublished":"2021-05-28T20:46:58.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T21:24:54.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/arts/13898064/babydog-the-west-virginia-governors-bulldog-wants-everyone-to-get-vaccinated-apparently","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Living in California is cool. Not just because of the obvious stuff—like the weather and the coastline—but also because our state politicians excel at keeping us safe when we’re getting a little too rowdy. It’s why smoking has been banned in bars here since 1989. It’s why we’ve got the strictest emissions standards in the country. And it’s why we were one of the first 10 states to issue a mask mandate in 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem with living in a state this sensible, however, is that politicians never have to cajole us into anything. Now, you might be thinking, “Isn’t that a good thing?” And sure, it probably was last week. But that was before West Virginia governor Jim Justice introduced the internet to his English bulldog, Babydog. (\u003cem>Babydog!\u003c/em>)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Babydog was brought out 34 minutes into a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t76XdgqBJQw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">press briefing\u003c/a> about West Virginia’s response to COVID-19, and was promptly used as a bargaining chip. “If you won’t do it for me, if you won’t do it for your family, you’ve got to get vaccinated for Babydog,” Justice said, attempting to make his sentient potato look animated. “She wants you to get vaccinated so badly. She’s going to be the one to lead us through all these incentives. And without any questions, she’ll give you a high-five right now.”\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1398113249963528194"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>I don’t know about the rest of you, but I would definitely get vaccinated two more times for a high-five from Babydog. After her nonchalant yet triumphant two-minute appearance was over, the meeting quickly moved to the office of retired general, Major Jim Hoyer. Hoyer visibly sighed before unmuting himself and uttering, “Well, I sure wish Dr. Marsh was here today, because I hate to follow Babydog…”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By Friday, Babydog was trending on Twitter.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1398316290767474695"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1398300080571142149"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1398344923917832198"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>West Virginia’s percentage of fully vaccinated people is currently at 33.8% versus California’s 42.2%. Just imagine how much further ahead we’d be if Governor Newsom made a similar video. Not with his golden retriever Max though. Rather, he should unfurl the real power pet in the Newsom household—the bunny that appeared in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=211471220270299\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">family video\u003c/a> last year. Which looks like this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13898075\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13898075\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-800x652.png\" alt=\"Governor Gavin Newsom's long-haired pet bunny, appearing in a family video in 2020.\" width=\"800\" height=\"652\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-800x652.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-1020x831.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-160x130.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny-768x626.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/bunny.png 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Foolishly, Governor Gavin Newsom’s pet bunny has never asked anyone to get vaccinated. \u003ccite>(Facebook/ @CAgovernor )\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This eyeball in a floof pile probably wants you to get vaccinated just as much as Babydog. Hop to it, Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/arts/13898064/babydog-the-west-virginia-governors-bulldog-wants-everyone-to-get-vaccinated-apparently","authors":["11242"],"categories":["arts_1","arts_75"],"tags":["arts_10328","arts_8818","arts_2391","arts_1553"],"featImg":"arts_13898077","label":"arts"},"arts_13897329":{"type":"posts","id":"arts_13897329","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"arts","id":"13897329","score":null,"sort":[1621369397000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"facebook-calls-links-to-depression-inconclusive-these-researchers-disagree","title":"Facebook Calls Links to Depression Inconclusive. These Researchers Disagree","publishDate":1621369397,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Facebook Calls Links to Depression Inconclusive. These Researchers Disagree | KQED","labelTerm":{"term":137,"site":"arts"},"content":"\u003cp>Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers’ biggest fear as a parent isn’t gun violence, or drunk driving, or anything related to the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And specifically, the new sense of “brokenness” she hears about in children in her district, and nationwide. Teen depression and suicide rates have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/12/a-growing-number-of-american-teenagers-particularly-girls-are-facing-depression/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">rising for over a decade\u003c/a>, and she sees social apps as a major reason.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a hearing this March on Capitol Hill, the Republican congresswoman from Washington confronted Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Google CEO Sundar Pichai with a list of statistics: From 2011 to 2018, \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31415993/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">rates\u003c/a> of teen depression increased by more than 60%, and from 2009 to 2015, emergency room admissions for self-harm among 10- to 14-year-old girls \u003ca href=\"https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2664031\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">tripled\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13897332\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13897332\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-800x529.png\" alt=\"Source: CDC National Youth Risk Behavior Surveys.\" width=\"800\" height=\"529\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-800x529.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-1020x674.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-160x106.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-768x508.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-1536x1015.png 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM.png 1616w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Source: CDC National Youth Risk Behavior Surveys. \u003ccite>(Credit: Zach Levitt/NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“It’s a battle for their development. It’s a battle for their mental health—and ultimately a battle for their safety,” McMorris Rodgers told the tech leaders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But when she pointed a question specifically to Zuckerberg, about whether he acknowledged a connection between children’s declining mental health and social media platforms, he demurred.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t think that the research is conclusive on that,” replied Zuckerberg.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a position that he and his company, which is working on expanding its offerings to even younger children, have held for years. But mental health researchers whom NPR spoke with disagree.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They describe an increasingly clear correlation between poor mental health outcomes and social media use, and they worry that Facebook (which also owns Instagram and WhatsApp) in particular may be muddying the waters on that connection to protect its public image.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13886630']“The correlational evidence showing that there is a link between social media use and depression is pretty definitive at this point,” said Jean Twenge, a psychology professor at San Diego State University. “The largest and most well-conducted studies that we have all show that teens who spend more time on social media are more likely to be depressed or unhappy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Correlation is not causation, and one area of further study is whether greater social media usage leads to poor mental health outcomes or whether those who are depressed and unhappy are drawn to spend more time on social media. But researchers also worry that not enough government funding is going toward getting objective data to answer these sorts of questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Facebook also almost certainly knows more than it has publicly revealed about how its products affect people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NPR spoke with Twenge and two other academics whose work has focused on the links between depression and social media use and who say Facebook’s public affairs team reached out to them for the first time ever in recent months for input on internal information related to the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company declined to comment about the meeting requests and about its stance on research about its platforms. But the outreach comes at a pivotal time for Facebook and its plans for growth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Government regulation is \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/25/981203566/5-takeaways-from-big-techs-misinformation-hearing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">closer than ever\u003c/a> before, and the issue of children’s mental health is one of the few concerns about Big Tech that Republicans and Democrats seem to agree on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After it was revealed that Facebook was working on a version of Instagram for children under 13, a bipartisan group of 44 attorneys general \u003ca href=\"https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/naag_letter_to_facebook_-_final.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">wrote a letter\u003c/a> to Zuckerberg this month with a simple message: Stop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Use of social media can be detrimental to the health and well-being of children, who are not equipped to navigate the challenges of having a social media account,” the letter reads. “Further, Facebook has historically failed to protect the welfare of children on its platforms.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shortly after McMorris Rodgers spoke at the March congressional hearing, Rep. Kathy Castor, a Florida Democrat, asked Zuckerberg whether he was familiar with a \u003ca href=\"https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2737909\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2019 study\u003c/a> that found the risk of depression in children rises with each hour spent daily on social media. He said he was not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You enjoy an outdated liability shield that incentivizes you to look the other way or take half-measures,” Castor said, “while you make billions at the expense of our kids, our health and the truth.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Internal “insights”\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenge has been studying and writing about technology’s effects on people born between 1995 and 2012 for much of the last decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13885533']She dubbed the generation “iGen” in a 2017 book that features an abundance of charts showing huge drop-offs in happiness among teens in the last decade compared with previous generations and huge increases in loneliness and suicide risk, especially in teens who are on their phones more than an hour or two a day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And since 2017, those trends have mostly gotten worse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For depression and anxiety and self-harm, those increases have continued,” Twenge said. “As smartphones became even more pervasive, social media became even more pervasive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the four years since her book came out, no one from any of the major social media companies reached out to her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Until about three months ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I got an email from someone at Facebook who said they were putting together an advisory panel,” Twenge said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The email came from a lower-level employee at the company on behalf of Heather Moore, a public affairs executive at Facebook who helped create the company’s Oversight Board. (That panel, which is funded by Facebook through a $130 million independent trust, is made up of \u003ca href=\"https://oversightboard.com/meet-the-board/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">20 prominent experts\u003c/a> from around the world.) The board recently announced its biggest decision yet, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/05/07/994436847/what-we-learned-about-facebook-from-trump-decision\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">siding with the company\u003c/a> on its decision to suspend former President Donald Trump from the platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two other researchers NPR spoke with say they received a similar meeting request. One did not wish to be named in this story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The request says Facebook is “currently working on speaking with a range of experts who study algorithms and virality,” but it doesn’t specify whether the company is planning to assemble a more organized public- or private-facing group of experts focused on the mental health effects of the platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Facebook declined to provide more detail about the requests, but a spokesperson did note that a company as large as Facebook reaches out to a variety of subject-matter experts frequently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The email does, however, allude to the company having relevant internal information regarding the mental health effects of its platforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The team would like to share some insights about what we’re working on internally and ask for your input,” the email says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the March hearing on Capitol Hill, Zuckerberg told McMorris Rodgers that the company has specifically researched the mental health effects that his company’s platforms have on children. But when McMorris Rodgers’ staff \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/article/ctech-us-usa-congress-tech-idCAKBN2BM2UI-OCATC\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">followed up\u003c/a> after the hearing, she says the company declined to share any of its research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I believe that they have done the research. They’re not being transparent,” McMorris Rodgers told NPR in an interview. “They seem to be more concerned about their current business model, and they have become very wealthy under their current business model. But the fact of the matter is we’re seeing more and more evidence … that their current business model is harming our kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Generally in response to these kinds of questions, Facebook \u003ca href=\"https://about.fb.com/news/2017/12/hard-questions-is-spending-time-on-social-media-bad-for-us/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">has pointed to research\u003c/a> indicating that poor mental health outcomes like depression stem from how people use the platforms and specifically whether they are “active” users who post and message people or “passive” users who mostly consume content.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The implication is that people have control over whether they feel bad from using the platforms, since users have a choice in whether they message their friends on Instagram, for instance, or whether they choose to scroll endlessly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Melissa Hunt, a psychology professor at the University of Pennsylvania, says it’s not so simple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13867167']The company’s success is dependent on keeping people engaged and selling advertisements based on that engagement, so Facebook, she says, is motivated to create systems that keep people on its platforms no matter the effect to their long-term well-being.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hunt was another one of the researchers who received an inquiry from Facebook about \u003ca href=\"https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/social-media-use-increases-depression-and-loneliness\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">her work\u003c/a> linking social media use and depression.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Basically all of the things that would contribute to these platforms being healthier for people to use, which is basically spend less time, don’t follow strangers, don’t spend time passively scrolling through this random feed that’s being suggested to you,” Hunt says. “That completely undermines their whole business model.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When she got a request for her time from the company, she says she thought about it. Then she also thought about what Facebook is currently valued at: close to a trillion dollars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I decided that if they were serious about that, they could pay me a nominal consulting fee,” Hunt says. “So I let them know what my consulting fee was. I said I’d be delighted to weigh in and share my expertise with you.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She never heard back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Similarly, Twenge responded to the request from the company and said she was interested in setting up a time to talk, but after a few back-and-forth messages, she has yet to hear back again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenge feels strongly that while the research on the psychological impact of social media is relatively new, there are takeaways that can already be drawn, even as some insist on labeling it all “inconclusive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s similar to the way that climate deniers can point to a few people in that field and say, ‘There’s a few people who still doubt this.’ It’s that false equivalence that happens too often,” Twenge said. “In this case, that small but vocal group has been very skilled at getting that message out, perhaps because these companies are very receptive to it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Questions without answers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent years, \u003ca href=\"https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-social-media-is-more-_b_11297988\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">some\u003c/a> have \u003ca href=\"https://www.businessinsider.com/salesforce-ceo-marc-benioff-said-at-davos-that-facebook-should-be-regulated-like-cigarettes-2018-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">taken\u003c/a> to comparing social media to something else that previous generations used to fill idle moments to the detriment of their health: smoking cigarettes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After smoking became \u003ca href=\"https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/sales-of-cigarettes-per-adult-per-day?time=1900..2014\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nearly universal\u003c/a>, cigarette companies \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/transcripts/89114979\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">famously\u003c/a> muddied the waters on research about how their products were harming people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Policy making is facilitated by consensus. However, scientific research is characterized by uncertainty,” wrote researcher Lisa Bero in \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1497700/pdf/15842123.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a paper\u003c/a> about how cigarette companies manipulated research. “It is often to the benefit of interest groups to generate controversy about data because the controversy is likely to slow or prevent regulation of a given product.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Brian Primack, who leads the College of Education and Health Professions at the University of Arkansas, says comparing the current research situation around social media and cigarettes is too simplistic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Primack used to study tobacco. (“If it kills a lot of people, I want to study it,” he says about how he has chosen what to focus on throughout his career.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, he spends his time investigating the effects of social media. And he sees a clear connection between depression and the online platforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A study \u003ca href=\"https://news.uark.edu/articles/55480/increased-social-media-use-linked-to-developing-depression-research-finds\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">he published last year\u003c/a> found that young adults who increased their social media usage over a period of time were also found to be significantly more likely to become depressed over that same time period.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='arts_13883979']“There is an association between the two,” Primack says. “Just meaning that if you put people into equal buckets in terms of how much social media they use, the people who use the most social media are also the people who are the most depressed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But unlike cigarettes, which he says have no useful purpose, some people have shown positive health outcomes from using social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/19/621136346/a-look-at-social-media-finds-some-possible-benefits-for-kids\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Brain development research\u003c/a> in recent years, for instance, found benefits in 9- and 10-year-olds from using social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Social media is very heterogeneous. In some kids it can be very beneficial, and in other kids it can be very detrimental,” said the author of that study, Dr. Martin Paulus of the Laureate Institute for Brain Research. “But we still don’t understand which group of kids benefit from it and which group of kids may be harmed by it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paulus is not confident the social media companies truly want to get to the bottom of that question either.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Several years ago, Paulus gave a presentation at Facebook with a few other researchers who were looking at the effects of social media. He came away from the meeting feeling like the company wasn’t serious about actually having objective research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was more like a face-saving activity,” Paulus said. “Those companies, whether it’s Facebook or other companies as well, they say they want research… But they’re not necessarily interested in research that potentially would show that some of the things that they do are bad for kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a thorny issue to wade into. The company says that it employs hundreds of researchers and that it also supports efforts like Boston Children’s Hospital’s newly formed \u003ca href=\"https://www.childrenshospital.org/newsroom/news-and-events/2021/digital-wellness-lab-launch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Digital Wellness Lab\u003c/a> and the Aspen Institute’s \u003ca href=\"https://csreports.aspeninstitute.org/Lessons-in-Loneliness/2020/report\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">roundtables on loneliness and technology\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it has also been criticized for using its platforms for research purposes. In 2012, the company allowed researchers to change what people saw on the platform in order to see how that would affect the nature of what they then chose to post.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.pnas.org/content/111/24/8788.full\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">study\u003c/a> did show evidence that people’s moods are affected by what they see other people posting, but some saw the exercise as emotional manipulation, and one of the authors seemed to express \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/everything-we-know-about-facebooks-secret-mood-manipulation-experiment/373648/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">regret\u003c/a> about conducting it after the backlash.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For a company with one of the largest data troves on the human population, this question of how best to conduct research expands to other sectors too. Disinformation researchers, for instance, have long been frustrated by what the company chooses and chooses not to share.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They could answer questions that we desperately need answered any time they want, and they just won’t do it,” said Ben Scott, executive director at Reset, an initiative aimed at tackling digital threats to democracy. “They’ve chosen, for public relations reasons, not to participate in helping the public interest… And that’s outrageous.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>“God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains”\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The potential dangers of kids spending hours hypnotized by their screens has been apparent essentially since the social media platforms were created.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Founding Facebook President Sean Parker once described, in \u003ca href=\"https://www.axios.com/sean-parker-unloads-on-facebook-god-only-knows-what-its-doing-to-our-childrens-brains-1513306792-f855e7b4-4e99-4d60-8d51-2775559c2671.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">an interview with Axios\u003c/a>, the company’s algorithms as “exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains,” Parker said. “The inventors, creators—it’s me, it’s Mark [Zuckerberg], it’s Kevin Systrom on Instagram, it’s all of these people—understood this consciously. And we did it anyway.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem is compounded by how little government funding is going toward studying the effects of these platforms, relative to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/05/971767967/trump-is-no-longer-tweeting-but-online-disinformation-isnt-going-away\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">how much of each day\u003c/a> many Americans spend engaged with the technology.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is mostly focused on curing diseases, but because there is no specific disease officially associated with screen time, experts say it’s difficult to get studies funded by the federal government.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2019, Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., introduced \u003ca href=\"https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CAMRA%20Act.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a bill\u003c/a> that would have provided a mechanism for more NIH research on the subject. The legislation had bipartisan co-sponsors and the support of Facebook, but it never made it to a vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Without more of that sort of research, parents are essentially left in the dark guessing exactly how much is too much for their kids when it comes to their devices.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The truth of it, quite frankly, is we are probably living through one of the biggest natural experiments that we’ve gone through with our kids,” said Paulus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Editor’s note:\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003cem> Facebook is among NPR’s financial supporters.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2021 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Facebook+Calls+Links+To+Depression+Inconclusive.+These+Researchers+Disagree&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Facebook has reached out to a few researchers for input recently, but those researchers are skeptical about Facebook's motivations.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1705008367,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":79,"wordCount":2801},"headData":{"title":"Facebook Calls Links to Depression Inconclusive. 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These Researchers Disagree","datePublished":"2021-05-18T20:23:17.000Z","dateModified":"2024-01-11T21:26:07.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"sticky":false,"nprImageCredit":"Daniel Acker","nprByline":"Miles Parks","nprImageAgency":"Bloomberg via Getty Images","nprStoryId":"990234501","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=990234501&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/2021/05/18/990234501/facebook-calls-links-to-depression-inconclusive-these-researchers-disagree?ft=nprml&f=990234501","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Tue, 18 May 2021 10:37:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Tue, 18 May 2021 05:13:00 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Tue, 18 May 2021 10:37:44 -0400","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/arts/13897329/facebook-calls-links-to-depression-inconclusive-these-researchers-disagree","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers’ biggest fear as a parent isn’t gun violence, or drunk driving, or anything related to the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And specifically, the new sense of “brokenness” she hears about in children in her district, and nationwide. Teen depression and suicide rates have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/12/a-growing-number-of-american-teenagers-particularly-girls-are-facing-depression/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">rising for over a decade\u003c/a>, and she sees social apps as a major reason.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At a hearing this March on Capitol Hill, the Republican congresswoman from Washington confronted Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Google CEO Sundar Pichai with a list of statistics: From 2011 to 2018, \u003ca href=\"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31415993/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">rates\u003c/a> of teen depression increased by more than 60%, and from 2009 to 2015, emergency room admissions for self-harm among 10- to 14-year-old girls \u003ca href=\"https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2664031\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">tripled\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_13897332\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-13897332\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-800x529.png\" alt=\"Source: CDC National Youth Risk Behavior Surveys.\" width=\"800\" height=\"529\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-800x529.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-1020x674.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-160x106.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-768x508.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM-1536x1015.png 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Screen-Shot-2021-05-18-at-12.57.10-PM.png 1616w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Source: CDC National Youth Risk Behavior Surveys. \u003ccite>(Credit: Zach Levitt/NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“It’s a battle for their development. It’s a battle for their mental health—and ultimately a battle for their safety,” McMorris Rodgers told the tech leaders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But when she pointed a question specifically to Zuckerberg, about whether he acknowledged a connection between children’s declining mental health and social media platforms, he demurred.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t think that the research is conclusive on that,” replied Zuckerberg.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a position that he and his company, which is working on expanding its offerings to even younger children, have held for years. But mental health researchers whom NPR spoke with disagree.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They describe an increasingly clear correlation between poor mental health outcomes and social media use, and they worry that Facebook (which also owns Instagram and WhatsApp) in particular may be muddying the waters on that connection to protect its public image.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13886630","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“The correlational evidence showing that there is a link between social media use and depression is pretty definitive at this point,” said Jean Twenge, a psychology professor at San Diego State University. “The largest and most well-conducted studies that we have all show that teens who spend more time on social media are more likely to be depressed or unhappy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Correlation is not causation, and one area of further study is whether greater social media usage leads to poor mental health outcomes or whether those who are depressed and unhappy are drawn to spend more time on social media. But researchers also worry that not enough government funding is going toward getting objective data to answer these sorts of questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Facebook also almost certainly knows more than it has publicly revealed about how its products affect people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NPR spoke with Twenge and two other academics whose work has focused on the links between depression and social media use and who say Facebook’s public affairs team reached out to them for the first time ever in recent months for input on internal information related to the issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company declined to comment about the meeting requests and about its stance on research about its platforms. But the outreach comes at a pivotal time for Facebook and its plans for growth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Government regulation is \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/25/981203566/5-takeaways-from-big-techs-misinformation-hearing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">closer than ever\u003c/a> before, and the issue of children’s mental health is one of the few concerns about Big Tech that Republicans and Democrats seem to agree on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After it was revealed that Facebook was working on a version of Instagram for children under 13, a bipartisan group of 44 attorneys general \u003ca href=\"https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/naag_letter_to_facebook_-_final.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">wrote a letter\u003c/a> to Zuckerberg this month with a simple message: Stop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Use of social media can be detrimental to the health and well-being of children, who are not equipped to navigate the challenges of having a social media account,” the letter reads. “Further, Facebook has historically failed to protect the welfare of children on its platforms.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Shortly after McMorris Rodgers spoke at the March congressional hearing, Rep. Kathy Castor, a Florida Democrat, asked Zuckerberg whether he was familiar with a \u003ca href=\"https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2737909\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2019 study\u003c/a> that found the risk of depression in children rises with each hour spent daily on social media. He said he was not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You enjoy an outdated liability shield that incentivizes you to look the other way or take half-measures,” Castor said, “while you make billions at the expense of our kids, our health and the truth.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Internal “insights”\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenge has been studying and writing about technology’s effects on people born between 1995 and 2012 for much of the last decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13885533","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>She dubbed the generation “iGen” in a 2017 book that features an abundance of charts showing huge drop-offs in happiness among teens in the last decade compared with previous generations and huge increases in loneliness and suicide risk, especially in teens who are on their phones more than an hour or two a day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And since 2017, those trends have mostly gotten worse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For depression and anxiety and self-harm, those increases have continued,” Twenge said. “As smartphones became even more pervasive, social media became even more pervasive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the four years since her book came out, no one from any of the major social media companies reached out to her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Until about three months ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I got an email from someone at Facebook who said they were putting together an advisory panel,” Twenge said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The email came from a lower-level employee at the company on behalf of Heather Moore, a public affairs executive at Facebook who helped create the company’s Oversight Board. (That panel, which is funded by Facebook through a $130 million independent trust, is made up of \u003ca href=\"https://oversightboard.com/meet-the-board/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">20 prominent experts\u003c/a> from around the world.) The board recently announced its biggest decision yet, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/05/07/994436847/what-we-learned-about-facebook-from-trump-decision\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">siding with the company\u003c/a> on its decision to suspend former President Donald Trump from the platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two other researchers NPR spoke with say they received a similar meeting request. One did not wish to be named in this story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The request says Facebook is “currently working on speaking with a range of experts who study algorithms and virality,” but it doesn’t specify whether the company is planning to assemble a more organized public- or private-facing group of experts focused on the mental health effects of the platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Facebook declined to provide more detail about the requests, but a spokesperson did note that a company as large as Facebook reaches out to a variety of subject-matter experts frequently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The email does, however, allude to the company having relevant internal information regarding the mental health effects of its platforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The team would like to share some insights about what we’re working on internally and ask for your input,” the email says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the March hearing on Capitol Hill, Zuckerberg told McMorris Rodgers that the company has specifically researched the mental health effects that his company’s platforms have on children. But when McMorris Rodgers’ staff \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/article/ctech-us-usa-congress-tech-idCAKBN2BM2UI-OCATC\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">followed up\u003c/a> after the hearing, she says the company declined to share any of its research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I believe that they have done the research. They’re not being transparent,” McMorris Rodgers told NPR in an interview. “They seem to be more concerned about their current business model, and they have become very wealthy under their current business model. But the fact of the matter is we’re seeing more and more evidence … that their current business model is harming our kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Generally in response to these kinds of questions, Facebook \u003ca href=\"https://about.fb.com/news/2017/12/hard-questions-is-spending-time-on-social-media-bad-for-us/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">has pointed to research\u003c/a> indicating that poor mental health outcomes like depression stem from how people use the platforms and specifically whether they are “active” users who post and message people or “passive” users who mostly consume content.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The implication is that people have control over whether they feel bad from using the platforms, since users have a choice in whether they message their friends on Instagram, for instance, or whether they choose to scroll endlessly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Melissa Hunt, a psychology professor at the University of Pennsylvania, says it’s not so simple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13867167","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The company’s success is dependent on keeping people engaged and selling advertisements based on that engagement, so Facebook, she says, is motivated to create systems that keep people on its platforms no matter the effect to their long-term well-being.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hunt was another one of the researchers who received an inquiry from Facebook about \u003ca href=\"https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/social-media-use-increases-depression-and-loneliness\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">her work\u003c/a> linking social media use and depression.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Basically all of the things that would contribute to these platforms being healthier for people to use, which is basically spend less time, don’t follow strangers, don’t spend time passively scrolling through this random feed that’s being suggested to you,” Hunt says. “That completely undermines their whole business model.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When she got a request for her time from the company, she says she thought about it. Then she also thought about what Facebook is currently valued at: close to a trillion dollars.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I decided that if they were serious about that, they could pay me a nominal consulting fee,” Hunt says. “So I let them know what my consulting fee was. I said I’d be delighted to weigh in and share my expertise with you.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She never heard back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Similarly, Twenge responded to the request from the company and said she was interested in setting up a time to talk, but after a few back-and-forth messages, she has yet to hear back again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenge feels strongly that while the research on the psychological impact of social media is relatively new, there are takeaways that can already be drawn, even as some insist on labeling it all “inconclusive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s similar to the way that climate deniers can point to a few people in that field and say, ‘There’s a few people who still doubt this.’ It’s that false equivalence that happens too often,” Twenge said. “In this case, that small but vocal group has been very skilled at getting that message out, perhaps because these companies are very receptive to it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Questions without answers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent years, \u003ca href=\"https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-social-media-is-more-_b_11297988\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">some\u003c/a> have \u003ca href=\"https://www.businessinsider.com/salesforce-ceo-marc-benioff-said-at-davos-that-facebook-should-be-regulated-like-cigarettes-2018-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">taken\u003c/a> to comparing social media to something else that previous generations used to fill idle moments to the detriment of their health: smoking cigarettes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After smoking became \u003ca href=\"https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/sales-of-cigarettes-per-adult-per-day?time=1900..2014\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">nearly universal\u003c/a>, cigarette companies \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/transcripts/89114979\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">famously\u003c/a> muddied the waters on research about how their products were harming people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Policy making is facilitated by consensus. However, scientific research is characterized by uncertainty,” wrote researcher Lisa Bero in \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1497700/pdf/15842123.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a paper\u003c/a> about how cigarette companies manipulated research. “It is often to the benefit of interest groups to generate controversy about data because the controversy is likely to slow or prevent regulation of a given product.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Brian Primack, who leads the College of Education and Health Professions at the University of Arkansas, says comparing the current research situation around social media and cigarettes is too simplistic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Primack used to study tobacco. (“If it kills a lot of people, I want to study it,” he says about how he has chosen what to focus on throughout his career.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, he spends his time investigating the effects of social media. And he sees a clear connection between depression and the online platforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A study \u003ca href=\"https://news.uark.edu/articles/55480/increased-social-media-use-linked-to-developing-depression-research-finds\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">he published last year\u003c/a> found that young adults who increased their social media usage over a period of time were also found to be significantly more likely to become depressed over that same time period.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"arts_13883979","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“There is an association between the two,” Primack says. “Just meaning that if you put people into equal buckets in terms of how much social media they use, the people who use the most social media are also the people who are the most depressed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But unlike cigarettes, which he says have no useful purpose, some people have shown positive health outcomes from using social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/19/621136346/a-look-at-social-media-finds-some-possible-benefits-for-kids\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Brain development research\u003c/a> in recent years, for instance, found benefits in 9- and 10-year-olds from using social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Social media is very heterogeneous. In some kids it can be very beneficial, and in other kids it can be very detrimental,” said the author of that study, Dr. Martin Paulus of the Laureate Institute for Brain Research. “But we still don’t understand which group of kids benefit from it and which group of kids may be harmed by it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Paulus is not confident the social media companies truly want to get to the bottom of that question either.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Several years ago, Paulus gave a presentation at Facebook with a few other researchers who were looking at the effects of social media. He came away from the meeting feeling like the company wasn’t serious about actually having objective research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was more like a face-saving activity,” Paulus said. “Those companies, whether it’s Facebook or other companies as well, they say they want research… But they’re not necessarily interested in research that potentially would show that some of the things that they do are bad for kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a thorny issue to wade into. The company says that it employs hundreds of researchers and that it also supports efforts like Boston Children’s Hospital’s newly formed \u003ca href=\"https://www.childrenshospital.org/newsroom/news-and-events/2021/digital-wellness-lab-launch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Digital Wellness Lab\u003c/a> and the Aspen Institute’s \u003ca href=\"https://csreports.aspeninstitute.org/Lessons-in-Loneliness/2020/report\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">roundtables on loneliness and technology\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it has also been criticized for using its platforms for research purposes. 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Disinformation researchers, for instance, have long been frustrated by what the company chooses and chooses not to share.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They could answer questions that we desperately need answered any time they want, and they just won’t do it,” said Ben Scott, executive director at Reset, an initiative aimed at tackling digital threats to democracy. “They’ve chosen, for public relations reasons, not to participate in helping the public interest… And that’s outrageous.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>“God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains”\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The potential dangers of kids spending hours hypnotized by their screens has been apparent essentially since the social media platforms were created.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Founding Facebook President Sean Parker once described, in \u003ca href=\"https://www.axios.com/sean-parker-unloads-on-facebook-god-only-knows-what-its-doing-to-our-childrens-brains-1513306792-f855e7b4-4e99-4d60-8d51-2775559c2671.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">an interview with Axios\u003c/a>, the company’s algorithms as “exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains,” Parker said. “The inventors, creators—it’s me, it’s Mark [Zuckerberg], it’s Kevin Systrom on Instagram, it’s all of these people—understood this consciously. And we did it anyway.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The problem is compounded by how little government funding is going toward studying the effects of these platforms, relative to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2021/03/05/971767967/trump-is-no-longer-tweeting-but-online-disinformation-isnt-going-away\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">how much of each day\u003c/a> many Americans spend engaged with the technology.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is mostly focused on curing diseases, but because there is no specific disease officially associated with screen time, experts say it’s difficult to get studies funded by the federal government.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2019, Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., introduced \u003ca href=\"https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CAMRA%20Act.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a bill\u003c/a> that would have provided a mechanism for more NIH research on the subject. 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