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Every resident has access to some kind of park \u003ca href=\"https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/in-san-francisco-everyone-lives-within-a-10-minute-walk-of-a-park/\">within a 10-minute walk.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the west side of the city is particularly blessed — between sprawling Golden Gate Park (it’s bigger than Manhattan’s Central Park) and the Presidio, there are \u003ca href=\"https://sfrecpark.org/419/Who-We-Are\">more than 4,000 acres\u003c/a> of parkland in the city’s boundaries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12054109\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12054109\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A jogger runs along part of the Batteries to Bluffs Trail in the Presidio of San Francisco on June 4, 2025. The coastal path offers views of the Golden Gate Bridge and Pacific Ocean, access to historic military sites and Marshall’s Beach. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>While Golden Gate Park boasts ample museums and is perfect for a long stroll, if you’re really trying to immerse yourself in nature, consider taking your next hike this holiday weekend to the Presidio, where wildness can be found around every corner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A former U.S. Army site turned national park, the Presidio can feel shockingly wild for how urban it is. Getting lost in its tangles of \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability/creating-a-sustainable-forest\">cypress, redwood and eucalyptus trees\u003c/a> is easy to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You may even see its \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12046806/coyotes-are-in-pupping-season-in-the-bay-area-heres-how-to-keep-yourself-and-your-dog-safe\">infamous coyotes,\u003c/a> which inhabit the area and are often responsible for seasonal trail closures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12054103\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1294\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf-160x104.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf-1536x994.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Presidio’s sheer size, however, can be initially daunting for many would-be explorers. Perhaps you’ve only visited \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/andy-goldsworthys-wood-line\">Andy Goldsworthy’s ever-decaying \u003cem>Wood Line\u003c/em>\u003c/a> while traveling on \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/lovers-lane-trail\">Lover’s Lane\u003c/a>, allegedly San Francisco’s oldest footpath. Or maybe you’ve taken on the popular \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12042938/hiking-along-beautiful-bluffs-can-get-risky-heres-how-to-stay-safe\">Batteries to Bluffs\u003c/a> trail, or the stroll from Crissy Field along \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/golden-gate-promenade-bay-trail\">Golden Gate Promenade \u003c/a>to \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/fort-point-national-historic-site\">Fort Point\u003c/a> and the iconic bridge itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But head inland a bit and you’ll discover the park has far more than meets the eye, including a network of trails that take you through its most hidden, and some of its best, spots. Read on for four of the best hikes to discover the Presidio, from incredible views to off-the-beaten-path finds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A word about safety: The Presidio is home to an active coyote population, so some sections of the park, like sections of the Park Trail and the Bay Area Ridge Trail, are closed to dogs in certain seasons to prevent dog-coyote conflicts. \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability/coyotes-in-the-presidio\">Remember to check for closures\u003c/a> before heading out, keep your dog leashed and abide by all posted signs.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with a ‘wilderness’ feel: The Ecology Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>One of the park’s shortest but most immersive trails is the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/ecology-trail\">Ecology Trail\u003c/a>, which winds around a southeastern segment of the park and takes hikers through redwoods, native grasslands and even coastal wetland habitat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The upper trail is pedestrian only, while the lower trail allows bikes. Stop at \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/inspiration-point-overlook\">Inspiration Point Overlook\u003c/a> for one of the best views in the park, overlooking Angel Island, the Palace of Fine Arts and Alcatraz.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055105\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055105\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Upper Ecology Trail, near Inspiration Point, in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Along the way, don’t forget to detour to \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/el-polin-spring\">El Polín Spring\u003c/a>, a natural spring that was foundational to the Indigenous people who lived in the area and the Spanish and U.S. armies who later occupied it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Part of the Tennessee Hollow Watershed, the site of the spring was also home to \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/prsf/learn/historyculture/juana-briones.htm\">Doña Juana Briones de Miranda\u003c/a>, among the first settlers of then-Yerba Buena, who lived there with her family in the 1800s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Presidio Trust spokesperson Lisa Petrie said when the park was first established, cleaning up and restoring native habitat to the spring and the surrounding ecosystem was a high priority.[aside postID=news_12052990 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/CampingGetty.jpg']Now, \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability\">everything from great horned owls to frogs and even turtles\u003c/a> can be found there, and it’s also the site used to first reintroduce species that have been threatened back into the landscape.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the habitat was planted there, the area just started to thrive,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To get to the spring from the south, a zig-zagging trail winds downhill through scrubland to a boardwalk and the entrance of the spring, tucked away inside a sheltered oak-tree wildlife hub. Here, you’ll also find a “field station” housing materials for kids to learn about the spring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nearby signage, which details the importance of the water to native species and the people who lived nearby, encourages visitors to slow down and listen to the birds and the wind as it moves through the three main habitats of the area — wetland, coastal scrub and grassland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It just makes you feel like you’re in the wilderness,” Petrie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>The Ecology Trail is 1.4 miles in total and takes about half an hour to complete, but adding on a detour to El Polín Spring will tack on another 15–20 minutes or so.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with history: The Park Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Bisecting the park north-south is the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/park-trail\">Park Trail\u003c/a>, which winds adjacent to the San Francisco National Cemetery, up to the Presidio Golf Course, around Mountain Lake and terminating at the former U.S. Marine Hospital — which is now housing for Presidio residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One major highlight of the trail is a quick detour to the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/national-cemetery-overlook\">National Cemetery Overlook\u003c/a>, also accessible via the Bay Area Ridge Trail. The forest here is dense with green foliage and ivy crawling up eucalyptus trees. Above the cemetery is a place to sit and reflect or meander through a World War I monument adorned with excerpts from \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/wwim/learn/historyculture/young.htm\">Archibald MacLeish’s poem \u003cem>The Young Dead Soldiers Do Not Speak.\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055107\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055107\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cemetery Overlook in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025, looks out over the National Cemetery and the San Francisco Bay. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Calvin Anderson, a San Francisco resident who was out walking to the overlook, said his son goes to school not too far away — so he often comes out to Inspiration Point and the Cemetery Overlook, both for the history and the views of the Golden Gate Bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I even have it tattooed on my arm,” he said of the bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=1WaXHWVkgLirukBHy8AuipWBKO60eYUY&ehbc=2E312F\" width=\"1920\" height=\"480\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not the only homage along this trail to those lost. At its northernmost end, you’ll find a \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/presidio-pet-cemetery\">pet cemetery\u003c/a>. Then, as the Park Trail winds its way south, it passes near the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/marine-cemetery-vista\">Marine Cemetery Vista\u003c/a> overlooking the park’s dune habitat, which honors merchant mariners who died at the nearby Marine Hospital, whose graves were rediscovered in 1989.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>The Park Trail winds north to south for 1.7 miles in total. Add on detours to the National Cemetery Overlook and Marine Cemetery Vista, and it’ll come out closer to 2–2.5 miles for a little under an hour of walking.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with art: The Bay Area Ridge Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area Ridge Trail is a more than 500-mile network of trails that \u003ca href=\"https://ridgetrail.org/\">creates a ring around the entire Bay Area\u003c/a> — and\u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/bay-area-ridge-trail\"> its Presidio segment \u003c/a>is a highlight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Near its southern start, the trail passes next to \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/andy-goldsworthys-spire\">another Andy Goldsworthy sculpture called \u003cem>Spire\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>. \u003c/em>The artist built this artwork from 37 Monterey cypress trees that had to be removed during the park’s restoration, and it’s now surrounded by new trees planted at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055112\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055112\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tents are setup at Rob Hill Campground, above Immigrant Point Overlook, in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As well as being an arresting sight, \u003cem>Spire \u003c/em>is “almost acting like a measuring stick to see the natural progression of the new trees that were planted,” Petrie said. “It’s just a striking moment to be able to consider the various life cycles of trees.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to the National Cemetery Overlook, along the way you’ll skirt the Presidio Golf Course — as well as the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/rob-hill-campground\">Rob Hill Campground\u003c/a>, the highest point in the Presidio, which \u003ca href=\"https://rvparksf.com/\">until recently\u003c/a> was the only campground within the city. During World War II, it was a lookout that then became a campground maintained by the Boy Scouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today, it welcomes up to 30 people at each site during the summer months. \u003ca href=\"https://www.recreation.gov/camping/campgrounds/10172170\">Rob Hill Group Campground reservations \u003c/a>get snapped up quickly on weekends, but tend to be easy to get on weekdays.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Behind the sites themselves is a dune restoration site and a forest with a fire circle. Petrie said if the weather is right, at nighttime while camping, you may even see stars and hear the evocative foghorn in the distance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You can also really hear the great horned owls up there,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>The total length of this section of the Bay Area Ridge Trail is just 2.5 miles, and takes just under an hour to complete from one end to the other. If you’re planning to hike it point to point, it’s easily accessible by public transit on both ends via the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/routes/1-california\">1 Muni bus\u003c/a> from the south and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/routes/28-19th-avenue\">28 from the north near the Golden Gate Bridge.\u003c/a> Reservations at Rob Hill Campground cost $92 per night on weekdays and $240 on weekends.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with stunning views: Juan Bautista de Anza National Historic Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The 1,200-mile \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/juan-bautista-de-anza-national-historic-trail\">Juan Bautista de Anza Historic Trail \u003c/a>crosses three states and even an international border, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/juba/planyourvisit/maps.htm\">following the colonizer’s route\u003c/a> from Sonora, Mexico, to San Francisco in 1776.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Luckily for you, its Presidio segment is just under three miles long, following the expedition’s route from Mountain Lake to the Golden Gate Bridge, with a whole lot of vistas along the way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055110\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055110\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A view from Immigrant Point Overlook in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In total, the park has eight scenic overlooks, which Petrie said were key to transforming the Presidio from a military base to a national park site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The least assuming but most unique is the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/lobos-valley-overlook\">Lobos Valley Overlook\u003c/a>, which gives a rare west-facing view of Sea Cliff and the Legion of Honor Museum beyond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/immigrant-point-overlook\">Immigrant Point Overlook\u003c/a> perches hikers above the Batteries-to-Bluffs trails, where the expanse of the Pacific Ocean beyond dominates the view, honoring immigrants to the United States who landed on these shores.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ll also encounter the dramatic \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/pacific-overlook\">Pacific Overlook\u003c/a> and its hidden picnic tables, and the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/golden-gate-overlook\">Golden Gate Overlook\u003c/a>, which Petrie highlighted as one of the most “unusual, head-on” views of the bridge in the park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=1cMScoOQYrt1ezTgUGz_2P_laW8aJMyg&ehbc=2E312F\" height=\"480\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While most of the trails in the park are up to two to three miles maximum, Petrie encouraged hikers to get creative to make a full day out of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s amazing how you can do loops and put the trails together,” Petrie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>At almost three miles, this section of trail takes around an hour to complete. Don’t forget to stop at \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/mountain-lake\">Mountain Lake \u003c/a>on your way out for a chance to spot birds and frogs at one of the city’s last natural lakes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeCeDp_MY_h4G6VWj_-VPl-BJlQ3Uya2H0vxRZZd_47BpXwVA/viewform?embedded=true\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>If there’s one thing about San Francisco that’s unwaveringly impressive, it’s the city’s parks. Every resident has access to some kind of park \u003ca href=\"https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/in-san-francisco-everyone-lives-within-a-10-minute-walk-of-a-park/\">within a 10-minute walk.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the west side of the city is particularly blessed — between sprawling Golden Gate Park (it’s bigger than Manhattan’s Central Park) and the Presidio, there are \u003ca href=\"https://sfrecpark.org/419/Who-We-Are\">more than 4,000 acres\u003c/a> of parkland in the city’s boundaries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12054109\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12054109\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250604-HikingSFBluffs-03-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A jogger runs along part of the Batteries to Bluffs Trail in the Presidio of San Francisco on June 4, 2025. The coastal path offers views of the Golden Gate Bridge and Pacific Ocean, access to historic military sites and Marshall’s Beach. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>While Golden Gate Park boasts ample museums and is perfect for a long stroll, if you’re really trying to immerse yourself in nature, consider taking your next hike this holiday weekend to the Presidio, where wildness can be found around every corner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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Getting lost in its tangles of \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability/creating-a-sustainable-forest\">cypress, redwood and eucalyptus trees\u003c/a> is easy to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You may even see its \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12046806/coyotes-are-in-pupping-season-in-the-bay-area-heres-how-to-keep-yourself-and-your-dog-safe\">infamous coyotes,\u003c/a> which inhabit the area and are often responsible for seasonal trail closures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-12054103\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1294\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf-160x104.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/Trails-Map-Accessible.pdf-1536x994.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Presidio’s sheer size, however, can be initially daunting for many would-be explorers. Perhaps you’ve only visited \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/andy-goldsworthys-wood-line\">Andy Goldsworthy’s ever-decaying \u003cem>Wood Line\u003c/em>\u003c/a> while traveling on \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/lovers-lane-trail\">Lover’s Lane\u003c/a>, allegedly San Francisco’s oldest footpath. Or maybe you’ve taken on the popular \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12042938/hiking-along-beautiful-bluffs-can-get-risky-heres-how-to-stay-safe\">Batteries to Bluffs\u003c/a> trail, or the stroll from Crissy Field along \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/golden-gate-promenade-bay-trail\">Golden Gate Promenade \u003c/a>to \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/fort-point-national-historic-site\">Fort Point\u003c/a> and the iconic bridge itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But head inland a bit and you’ll discover the park has far more than meets the eye, including a network of trails that take you through its most hidden, and some of its best, spots. Read on for four of the best hikes to discover the Presidio, from incredible views to off-the-beaten-path finds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A word about safety: The Presidio is home to an active coyote population, so some sections of the park, like sections of the Park Trail and the Bay Area Ridge Trail, are closed to dogs in certain seasons to prevent dog-coyote conflicts. \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability/coyotes-in-the-presidio\">Remember to check for closures\u003c/a> before heading out, keep your dog leashed and abide by all posted signs.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with a ‘wilderness’ feel: The Ecology Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>One of the park’s shortest but most immersive trails is the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/ecology-trail\">Ecology Trail\u003c/a>, which winds around a southeastern segment of the park and takes hikers through redwoods, native grasslands and even coastal wetland habitat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The upper trail is pedestrian only, while the lower trail allows bikes. Stop at \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/inspiration-point-overlook\">Inspiration Point Overlook\u003c/a> for one of the best views in the park, overlooking Angel Island, the Palace of Fine Arts and Alcatraz.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055105\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055105\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-09-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Upper Ecology Trail, near Inspiration Point, in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Along the way, don’t forget to detour to \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/el-polin-spring\">El Polín Spring\u003c/a>, a natural spring that was foundational to the Indigenous people who lived in the area and the Spanish and U.S. armies who later occupied it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Part of the Tennessee Hollow Watershed, the site of the spring was also home to \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/prsf/learn/historyculture/juana-briones.htm\">Doña Juana Briones de Miranda\u003c/a>, among the first settlers of then-Yerba Buena, who lived there with her family in the 1800s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Presidio Trust spokesperson Lisa Petrie said when the park was first established, cleaning up and restoring native habitat to the spring and the surrounding ecosystem was a high priority.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Now, \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability\">everything from great horned owls to frogs and even turtles\u003c/a> can be found there, and it’s also the site used to first reintroduce species that have been threatened back into the landscape.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the habitat was planted there, the area just started to thrive,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To get to the spring from the south, a zig-zagging trail winds downhill through scrubland to a boardwalk and the entrance of the spring, tucked away inside a sheltered oak-tree wildlife hub. Here, you’ll also find a “field station” housing materials for kids to learn about the spring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nearby signage, which details the importance of the water to native species and the people who lived nearby, encourages visitors to slow down and listen to the birds and the wind as it moves through the three main habitats of the area — wetland, coastal scrub and grassland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It just makes you feel like you’re in the wilderness,” Petrie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>The Ecology Trail is 1.4 miles in total and takes about half an hour to complete, but adding on a detour to El Polín Spring will tack on another 15–20 minutes or so.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with history: The Park Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Bisecting the park north-south is the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/park-trail\">Park Trail\u003c/a>, which winds adjacent to the San Francisco National Cemetery, up to the Presidio Golf Course, around Mountain Lake and terminating at the former U.S. Marine Hospital — which is now housing for Presidio residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One major highlight of the trail is a quick detour to the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/national-cemetery-overlook\">National Cemetery Overlook\u003c/a>, also accessible via the Bay Area Ridge Trail. The forest here is dense with green foliage and ivy crawling up eucalyptus trees. Above the cemetery is a place to sit and reflect or meander through a World War I monument adorned with excerpts from \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/wwim/learn/historyculture/young.htm\">Archibald MacLeish’s poem \u003cem>The Young Dead Soldiers Do Not Speak.\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055107\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055107\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-13-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Cemetery Overlook in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025, looks out over the National Cemetery and the San Francisco Bay. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Calvin Anderson, a San Francisco resident who was out walking to the overlook, said his son goes to school not too far away — so he often comes out to Inspiration Point and the Cemetery Overlook, both for the history and the views of the Golden Gate Bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I even have it tattooed on my arm,” he said of the bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=1WaXHWVkgLirukBHy8AuipWBKO60eYUY&ehbc=2E312F\" width=\"1920\" height=\"480\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not the only homage along this trail to those lost. At its northernmost end, you’ll find a \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/presidio-pet-cemetery\">pet cemetery\u003c/a>. Then, as the Park Trail winds its way south, it passes near the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/marine-cemetery-vista\">Marine Cemetery Vista\u003c/a> overlooking the park’s dune habitat, which honors merchant mariners who died at the nearby Marine Hospital, whose graves were rediscovered in 1989.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>The Park Trail winds north to south for 1.7 miles in total. Add on detours to the National Cemetery Overlook and Marine Cemetery Vista, and it’ll come out closer to 2–2.5 miles for a little under an hour of walking.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with art: The Bay Area Ridge Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Bay Area Ridge Trail is a more than 500-mile network of trails that \u003ca href=\"https://ridgetrail.org/\">creates a ring around the entire Bay Area\u003c/a> — and\u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/bay-area-ridge-trail\"> its Presidio segment \u003c/a>is a highlight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Near its southern start, the trail passes next to \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/andy-goldsworthys-spire\">another Andy Goldsworthy sculpture called \u003cem>Spire\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>. \u003c/em>The artist built this artwork from 37 Monterey cypress trees that had to be removed during the park’s restoration, and it’s now surrounded by new trees planted at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055112\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055112\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-24-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tents are setup at Rob Hill Campground, above Immigrant Point Overlook, in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>As well as being an arresting sight, \u003cem>Spire \u003c/em>is “almost acting like a measuring stick to see the natural progression of the new trees that were planted,” Petrie said. “It’s just a striking moment to be able to consider the various life cycles of trees.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to the National Cemetery Overlook, along the way you’ll skirt the Presidio Golf Course — as well as the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/rob-hill-campground\">Rob Hill Campground\u003c/a>, the highest point in the Presidio, which \u003ca href=\"https://rvparksf.com/\">until recently\u003c/a> was the only campground within the city. During World War II, it was a lookout that then became a campground maintained by the Boy Scouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today, it welcomes up to 30 people at each site during the summer months. \u003ca href=\"https://www.recreation.gov/camping/campgrounds/10172170\">Rob Hill Group Campground reservations \u003c/a>get snapped up quickly on weekends, but tend to be easy to get on weekdays.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Behind the sites themselves is a dune restoration site and a forest with a fire circle. Petrie said if the weather is right, at nighttime while camping, you may even see stars and hear the evocative foghorn in the distance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You can also really hear the great horned owls up there,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>The total length of this section of the Bay Area Ridge Trail is just 2.5 miles, and takes just under an hour to complete from one end to the other. If you’re planning to hike it point to point, it’s easily accessible by public transit on both ends via the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/routes/1-california\">1 Muni bus\u003c/a> from the south and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfmta.com/routes/28-19th-avenue\">28 from the north near the Golden Gate Bridge.\u003c/a> Reservations at Rob Hill Campground cost $92 per night on weekdays and $240 on weekends.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>For a Presidio hike with stunning views: Juan Bautista de Anza National Historic Trail\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The 1,200-mile \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/juan-bautista-de-anza-national-historic-trail\">Juan Bautista de Anza Historic Trail \u003c/a>crosses three states and even an international border, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/juba/planyourvisit/maps.htm\">following the colonizer’s route\u003c/a> from Sonora, Mexico, to San Francisco in 1776.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Luckily for you, its Presidio segment is just under three miles long, following the expedition’s route from Mountain Lake to the Golden Gate Bridge, with a whole lot of vistas along the way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055110\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055110\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-21-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A view from Immigrant Point Overlook in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In total, the park has eight scenic overlooks, which Petrie said were key to transforming the Presidio from a military base to a national park site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The least assuming but most unique is the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/lobos-valley-overlook\">Lobos Valley Overlook\u003c/a>, which gives a rare west-facing view of Sea Cliff and the Legion of Honor Museum beyond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/immigrant-point-overlook\">Immigrant Point Overlook\u003c/a> perches hikers above the Batteries-to-Bluffs trails, where the expanse of the Pacific Ocean beyond dominates the view, honoring immigrants to the United States who landed on these shores.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ll also encounter the dramatic \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/pacific-overlook\">Pacific Overlook\u003c/a> and its hidden picnic tables, and the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/explore/attractions/golden-gate-overlook\">Golden Gate Overlook\u003c/a>, which Petrie highlighted as one of the most “unusual, head-on” views of the bridge in the park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=1cMScoOQYrt1ezTgUGz_2P_laW8aJMyg&ehbc=2E312F\" height=\"480\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"yes\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While most of the trails in the park are up to two to three miles maximum, Petrie encouraged hikers to get creative to make a full day out of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s amazing how you can do loops and put the trails together,” Petrie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>By the numbers: \u003c/em>At almost three miles, this section of trail takes around an hour to complete. 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The expansion offers picnic areas, BBQ grills and views of the Golden Gate Bridge as part of the Tunnel Tops project. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It was a far cry from how Trump described the park’s operation in an executive order he \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12027864/trump-moves-slash-presidio-trust-agency-runs-historic-sf-park\">penned in February\u003c/a>, which could have made the midday tour with the CEO of the Presidio Trust pretty awkward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This order commences a reduction in the elements of the Federal bureaucracy that the President has determined are unnecessary,” the order reads. It applied to the Presidio Trust and three other agencies that Trump’s order suggested were causing government “waste and abuse.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But as Jean Fraser, the Trust’s CEO, guided Burgum around the fire pit, picnic area and low-back lounge chairs that look out on the Presidio’s premier view of Crissy Field, the secretary seemed to disagree with Trump.[aside postID=news_12048367 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BondiBurgumSFVisitAP1.jpg']When asked if he would be reporting his positive experience back to the president, Burgum didn’t give a direct answer but said that within the Department of the Interior, the model the Presidio uses to fundraise and function “is something we have to look at.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Congress created the Presidio Trust in 1996, it provided federal money to aid the property’s transition from an Army base but required it to become financially independent by 2013. That public-private partnership lessened the financial burden on the Department of the Interior, helping it garner bipartisan support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Burgum said the National Park Service has a lot of deferred maintenance that needs to be addressed and could benefit from private sector support to do so. The park service manages 85 million acres of land across the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the 15 or so minute walk through the Presidio, he complimented the red, movable chairs that tourists and locals sat in drinking coffee, gave the park’s landscape designers kudos for the trees and native plants lining its gravel walkways and applauded the recently debuted expansion of the Tunnel Tops picnic area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“National parks have been called America’s best idea, and we need to invest in that,” he said as the tour wrapped up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The current administration, however, has overseen a shrinking National Park Service as it takes a hatchet to federal agencies. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 4:38 p.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Interior Secretary Doug Burgum and Attorney General Pam Bondi visited \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/alcatraz-island\">Alcatraz Island\u003c/a> in San Francisco on Thursday morning to announce plans to reopen the former federal prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Department of Justice spokesperson told KQED that Bondi and Burgum toured the prison — which once housed well-known criminals like Al Capone and George “Machine Gun” Kelly — and the surrounding island with park police and directed staff to collaborate on the planning needed to rehabilitate and reopen it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Spent the day on Alcatraz Island, a [National Park Service] site, to start the work to renovate and reopen the site to house the most dangerous criminals and illegals,” Burgum \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/SecretaryBurgum/status/1945893688338493541\">said on X\u003c/a> Thursday, adding that he was following a directive from President Donald Trump. “This administration is restoring safety, justice, and order to our streets.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trip comes two months after Trump floated the idea of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12038676/trump-says-he-will-reopen-alcatraz-prison\">reopening Alcatraz\u003c/a> on social media. House Republicans are expected to introduce legislation that would make the feat possible, Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi’s office confirmed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The planned announcement to reopen Alcatraz as a federal penitentiary is the Trump Administration’s stupidest initiative yet,” Pelosi said in a statement. “Make no mistake: this stupidity is a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from this Administration’s cruelest actions yet in their Big, Ugly Law.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047046\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047046\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., speaks during a rally opposing House Republicans’ tax proposal prior to the final House Vote on Capitol Hill on May 21, 2025, in Washington, D.C. \u003ccite>(Jemal Countess/Getty Images for Families Over Billionaires)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In May, Trump announced his desire to re-open the federal prison in a \u003ca href=\"https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114452025916969327\">post on Truth Social\u003c/a>, saying he would direct the Bureau of Prisons and federal safety agencies to reopen “a substantially enlarged and rebuilt ALCATRAZ, to house America’s most ruthless and violent Offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The reopening of ALCATRAZ will serve as a symbol of Law, Order, and JUSTICE. We will, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN,” the post reads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie told reporters Thursday morning that the Trump administration had no “feasible plan” to reopen the prison.[aside postID=news_12048509 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Interior-Secretary-Doug-Burgum.jpg']“If they want to spend billions and billions and billions of dollars, we have many opportunities,” he said. “Tourists come from all over the world to visit Alcatraz. Over 1.5 million visitors, tens of millions of dollars of economic activity to our city and to our region.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Scott Wiener expressed concern on social media that Trump might aim to use the island to hold people detained by ICE on social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“While this idea is absurd on so many levels — and destructive in seeking to destroy one of the most popular tourist sites in the country — Trump has shown that he executes on many of the insane and destructive things that come out of his warped brain,” he \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/scott_wiener/status/1945842201654874359?s=46\">wrote on X\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his post on X, Burgum suggested the facility could “house the most dangerous criminals and illegals.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reopening the prison would be difficult under current legislation that places the island under the Department of the Interior’s control and designates it as part of a national park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12048382\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12048382\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A National Park Service ranger walks down “Broadway” in the main cell block on Alcatraz Island on June 14, 2007, in San Francisco Bay, California. \u003ccite>(Robyn Beck/AFP via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nearly a decade after Alcatraz shuttered in 1963, Congress created the Golden Gate Recreation Area, which includes Alcatraz, Muir Woods in Marin County and the Presidio in San Francisco. All three became part of the newly formed national park, which was transferred to National Park Service control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a part of the Golden Gate Recreation Area, Alcatraz is subject to the Historic Preservation Act and the National Environmental Protection Act — federal protections that would make operating a prison on the site virtually impossible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 1972 act creating the park requires that the National Park Service and Department of the Interior “shall preserve the recreation area, as far as possible, in its natural setting, and protect it from development and uses which would destroy the scenic beauty and natural character of the area.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As part of the national park system, the land also has to adhere to the\u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/grba/learn/management/organic-act-of-1916.htm\"> Park Service Organic Act,\u003c/a> which says it must “conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12048542\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12048542\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1-1536x1152.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Interior Secretary Doug Burgum (center) visited the Tunnel Tops in San Francisco on Thursday morning after he and Attorney General Pam Bondi toured Alcatraz, ahead of their announcement to reopen the former federal prison. \u003ccite>(Katie DeBenedetti/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But forthcoming legislation would aim to repeal those requirements. Pelosi’s office confirmed that a House representative is expected to propose a bill that would remove key environmental protections governing the island, allowing it to be transferred out of the National Park Service’s control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Should reason not prevail and Republicans bring this absurdity before the Congress, Democrats will use every parliamentary and budgetary tactic available to stop the lunacy,” Pelosi said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Department of Justice spokesperson told KQED the Bureau of Prisons would operate the facility if it reopens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move builds on an earlier attack on the park, when, in February, Trump signed a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12027864/trump-moves-slash-presidio-trust-agency-runs-historic-sf-park\">DOGE-inspired executive order\u003c/a> requiring the federal agency that runs the Presidio to submit a review of its operations and shut down any non-required functions, aiming to all but eliminate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12029842\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12029842\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A view of Crissy Field in the Presidio, a park and former military outpost, in San Francisco on Feb. 25, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On a tour of the Presidio after the Alcatraz trip, Burgum praised the agency that manages the park, calling its revenue-generating operation a “model” for national parks. The Presidio Trust is financially self-sufficient, relying on money from leasing its historic buildings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reviving a prison on Alcatraz, on the other hand, would be costly — and inefficient, according to critics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alcatraz was shut down due to high operating costs, which \u003ca href=\"https://www.bop.gov/about/history/alcatraz.jsp\">the BOP estimated\u003c/a> in 1959 were about three times as high as any other federal facility. At the time, the site also required an estimated $3 million to $5 million in restoration and maintenance work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At its highest occupancy, the site that now serves as a tourist destination housed less than 1% of federal prisoners in the country, with a usual occupancy between 260 and 275, according to the BOP.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Spent the day on Alcatraz Island, a [National Park Service] site, to start the work to renovate and reopen the site to house the most dangerous criminals and illegals,” Burgum \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/SecretaryBurgum/status/1945893688338493541\">said on X\u003c/a> Thursday, adding that he was following a directive from President Donald Trump. “This administration is restoring safety, justice, and order to our streets.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trip comes two months after Trump floated the idea of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12038676/trump-says-he-will-reopen-alcatraz-prison\">reopening Alcatraz\u003c/a> on social media. House Republicans are expected to introduce legislation that would make the feat possible, Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi’s office confirmed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The planned announcement to reopen Alcatraz as a federal penitentiary is the Trump Administration’s stupidest initiative yet,” Pelosi said in a statement. “Make no mistake: this stupidity is a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from this Administration’s cruelest actions yet in their Big, Ugly Law.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12047046\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12047046\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/NancyPelosiGetty2-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., speaks during a rally opposing House Republicans’ tax proposal prior to the final House Vote on Capitol Hill on May 21, 2025, in Washington, D.C. \u003ccite>(Jemal Countess/Getty Images for Families Over Billionaires)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In May, Trump announced his desire to re-open the federal prison in a \u003ca href=\"https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114452025916969327\">post on Truth Social\u003c/a>, saying he would direct the Bureau of Prisons and federal safety agencies to reopen “a substantially enlarged and rebuilt ALCATRAZ, to house America’s most ruthless and violent Offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The reopening of ALCATRAZ will serve as a symbol of Law, Order, and JUSTICE. We will, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN,” the post reads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie told reporters Thursday morning that the Trump administration had no “feasible plan” to reopen the prison.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“If they want to spend billions and billions and billions of dollars, we have many opportunities,” he said. “Tourists come from all over the world to visit Alcatraz. Over 1.5 million visitors, tens of millions of dollars of economic activity to our city and to our region.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Scott Wiener expressed concern on social media that Trump might aim to use the island to hold people detained by ICE on social media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“While this idea is absurd on so many levels — and destructive in seeking to destroy one of the most popular tourist sites in the country — Trump has shown that he executes on many of the insane and destructive things that come out of his warped brain,” he \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/scott_wiener/status/1945842201654874359?s=46\">wrote on X\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his post on X, Burgum suggested the facility could “house the most dangerous criminals and illegals.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reopening the prison would be difficult under current legislation that places the island under the Department of the Interior’s control and designates it as part of a national park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12048382\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12048382\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/127967603_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A National Park Service ranger walks down “Broadway” in the main cell block on Alcatraz Island on June 14, 2007, in San Francisco Bay, California. \u003ccite>(Robyn Beck/AFP via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nearly a decade after Alcatraz shuttered in 1963, Congress created the Golden Gate Recreation Area, which includes Alcatraz, Muir Woods in Marin County and the Presidio in San Francisco. All three became part of the newly formed national park, which was transferred to National Park Service control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a part of the Golden Gate Recreation Area, Alcatraz is subject to the Historic Preservation Act and the National Environmental Protection Act — federal protections that would make operating a prison on the site virtually impossible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 1972 act creating the park requires that the National Park Service and Department of the Interior “shall preserve the recreation area, as far as possible, in its natural setting, and protect it from development and uses which would destroy the scenic beauty and natural character of the area.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As part of the national park system, the land also has to adhere to the\u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/grba/learn/management/organic-act-of-1916.htm\"> Park Service Organic Act,\u003c/a> which says it must “conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12048542\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12048542\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/BurgumSFVisit1-1536x1152.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Interior Secretary Doug Burgum (center) visited the Tunnel Tops in San Francisco on Thursday morning after he and Attorney General Pam Bondi toured Alcatraz, ahead of their announcement to reopen the former federal prison. \u003ccite>(Katie DeBenedetti/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But forthcoming legislation would aim to repeal those requirements. Pelosi’s office confirmed that a House representative is expected to propose a bill that would remove key environmental protections governing the island, allowing it to be transferred out of the National Park Service’s control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Should reason not prevail and Republicans bring this absurdity before the Congress, Democrats will use every parliamentary and budgetary tactic available to stop the lunacy,” Pelosi said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Department of Justice spokesperson told KQED the Bureau of Prisons would operate the facility if it reopens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move builds on an earlier attack on the park, when, in February, Trump signed a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12027864/trump-moves-slash-presidio-trust-agency-runs-historic-sf-park\">DOGE-inspired executive order\u003c/a> requiring the federal agency that runs the Presidio to submit a review of its operations and shut down any non-required functions, aiming to all but eliminate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12029842\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12029842\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A view of Crissy Field in the Presidio, a park and former military outpost, in San Francisco on Feb. 25, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On a tour of the Presidio after the Alcatraz trip, Burgum praised the agency that manages the park, calling its revenue-generating operation a “model” for national parks. The Presidio Trust is financially self-sufficient, relying on money from leasing its historic buildings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reviving a prison on Alcatraz, on the other hand, would be costly — and inefficient, according to critics.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alcatraz was shut down due to high operating costs, which \u003ca href=\"https://www.bop.gov/about/history/alcatraz.jsp\">the BOP estimated\u003c/a> in 1959 were about three times as high as any other federal facility. At the time, the site also required an estimated $3 million to $5 million in restoration and maintenance work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At its highest occupancy, the site that now serves as a tourist destination housed less than 1% of federal prisoners in the country, with a usual occupancy between 260 and 275, according to the BOP.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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And while \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/19/us/coyotes-san-francisco-california.html\">the reasons for their return may elude us\u003c/a>, these coyotes, which have been spotted roaming parks, encountering humans and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12025959/san-francisco-coyotes-now-theyre-in-the-subway-too\">even strolling in a Muni tunnel\u003c/a>, certainly don’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/19/us/coyotes-san-francisco-california.html\">While the reemergence of coyotes in the city has some residents divided,\u003c/a> their presence across the entire Bay Area has become a reality, both for the coyotes themselves and the people that interact with them in parks, neighborhoods and their backyards. And during the summer months, known as “pupping season,” human-coyote interactions can increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even though a coyote that’s protecting its young may seem threatening, the animals are unlikely to actually get aggressive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://bayareacoyote.org/\">Many local agencies, researchers and jurisdictions are working together\u003c/a> to manage coyote populations and help educate residents on the animals and their behaviors. Keep reading for what to know about coyotes and safety in the Bay Area, especially for pet owners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jump straight to:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Arecoyotesdangeroustomeormypets\">Are coyotes dangerous to me or my pets?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#WhatshouldIknowabouttheirpuprearingseason\">What should I know about their pup-rearing season?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#WhatdoIdoifIseeacoyote\">What do I do if I see a coyote?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>What’s with all the coyotes in the Bay Area?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“They are part of our native ecosystem,” said Phoebe Parker-Shames, wildlife ecologist for The Presidio Trust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coyotes naturally control pests, like rats, mice and gophers, and studies have shown that they also \u003ca href=\"https://projectcoyote.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/PC_SAB_Coyote-Facts_FINAL_2020_08.pdf\">contribute to bird biodiversity\u003c/a> by keeping feral cats and other small predator populations in check, Parker-Shames said. Plus, they don’t need much to survive: \u003ca href=\"https://discoverwildcare.org/understanding-coyote-denning-behavior/\">all they really need is a small burrow or opening to raise their infants, called a “den,”\u003c/a> and food, which also comes in the form of human trash. And with few natural predators in populated areas, they can actually thrive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12046810\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12046810 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2-1536x1152.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coyotes aren’t taking over the city anytime soon, said Phoebe Parker-Shames, a wildlife ecologist for The Presidio Trust. “We did see an increase when they first reestablished themselves into the city. But at this point in time, it will be and it has been stable.” \u003ccite>(Courtesy of The Presidio Trust)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Parker-Shames said \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability/coyotes-in-the-presidio\">the Presidio is working toward human-coyote “coexistence”\u003c/a> so humans and coyotes can share space in the city and beyond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said that due to their reemergence in San Francisco in particular, there’s a common misconception that coyote populations are out of control or going to “take over the city.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But once juvenile coyotes learn to fend for themselves as early as 10 months old, they tend to separate from their families and find their own territory, so there’s never a huge number of animals occupying the same space at once.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The reality is because coyotes are very territorial animals, it keeps the population stable year over year,” Parker-Shames said. “We did see an increase when they first reestablished themselves into the city. But at this point in time, it will be and it has been stable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the Presidio, Parker-Shames said, coyotes are denning in the center of the park right now, near the golf course, “which is pretty usual for us,” she said. “That’s an area that has much less dog activity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Are coyotes dangerous to me or \u003ca id=\"Arecoyotesdangeroustomeormypets\">\u003c/a>my pets?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Another point of confusion is the personal risk a coyote poses, Parker-Shames said. The biggest coyotes are only around 30 pounds, so “there’s a pretty good overlap between the largest raccoons and the smaller coyotes,” she said. “These are not fundamentally dangerous animals.”[aside postID=news_12046061 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/Tahoe1.jpg']“\u003ca href=\"https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pan3.10549\">It’s incredibly rare for people to be hurt by coyotes\u003c/a>,” Parker-Shames said, but they do pose a real threat to dogs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because a coyote’s instinct is to see other canines, usually other coyotes or wolves, as dangerous to them, their pups and their territory. So when a coyote meets a dog, “it’s seeing: ‘This is a threat to myself and to my baby,’” Parker-Shames said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s why coyotes will often go after dogs, even if they’re afraid of the humans nearby. It’s also why keeping your dog on a leash can be so effective in preventing interactions that could put your dog in danger, both because your presence may deter the coyote and also\u003ca href=\"https://coyoteyipps.com/2019/06/24/please-leash-up-coyotes-are-entitled-to-defend-their-den-areas-here-in-san-francisco/\"> prevent your dog from checking out den sites or engaging with coyotes,\u003c/a> which may be more defensive around their young.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our data indicates that if you’ve got a leash on your dog, you are far, far less likely to have a negative encounter with a coyote,” Parker-Shames said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What should I know during coyote \u003ca id=\"WhatshouldIknowabouttheirpuprearingseason\">\u003c/a>pupping season?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Pup-rearing season, when the coyote pups are born and eventually start to get big enough to go out on their own, stretches from springtime to fall, and this is when lots of activity occurs, Parker-Shames said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Coyotes are creating dens, having pups, and then the pup is getting bigger and starting to get a little bit more independent and curious and exploring the spaces around them,” Parker-Shames said. “And then eventually, [the pups are] starting to be fully independent and dispersing and trying to find their own territories.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12046819\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1003px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12046819 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphamale_InfantryTerraceMay2020DH.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1003\" height=\"753\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphamale_InfantryTerraceMay2020DH.png 1003w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphamale_InfantryTerraceMay2020DH-160x120.png 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1003px) 100vw, 1003px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Near the main denning area in the Presidio, a few trails are currently closed preemptively during the height of pupping season. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of The Presidio Trust)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>What hikers and dog walkers should know: Pupping season is also when coyote parents can be more protective of their pups, Mason said. Plus, with kids out of school, more people are out on trails, so sightings can be common.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you notice a coyote trailing you, that’s a behavior known as “escorting,” when the animal “follows at a closer distance than usual to encourage departure from the area,” Mason said. And while the parent may bare its teeth or growl, escorting isn’t typically aggressive — the coyote is usually just making sure you’re heading out of the vicinity of its pups. “The best course of action is to leave the area calmly and without running,” Mason advised.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Near the main denning area in the Presidio, \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/visit/dogs-in-the-presidio\">a few trails are currently closed preemptively\u003c/a> during the height of pupping season, with some closed only to dogs. On other trails throughout the Bay Area, signage will typically alert visitors to coyote activity in the area.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What do I do \u003ca id=\"WhatdoIdoifIseeacoyote\">\u003c/a>if I see a coyote?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“The most important thing is just keep a distance,” Mason said. “It’s best to walk calmly away and leave the area immediately,” — but don’t run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coyotes are more active at dawn or dusk, but they usually observe you from afar, Mason said. So if you want to avoid an interaction, keep your dog leashed and any kids close by — and don’t go off-trail into their natural hiding spots, like brush. Do not ever feed a coyote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12046817\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 964px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12046817 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphafemale_InfantryTerrace_March2020DH.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"964\" height=\"721\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphafemale_InfantryTerrace_March2020DH.png 964w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphafemale_InfantryTerrace_March2020DH-160x120.png 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 964px) 100vw, 964px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coyotes are more active at dawn or dusk and will usually observe people from afar, East Bay Regional Parks spokesperson Dave Mason said. He advises staying on trails, keeping dogs leashed and children close — and avoiding off-trail areas where coyotes may be hiding, such as dense brush. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of The Presidio Trust)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>If you’re with a dog, your best bet is to immediately get your dog under control on a leash or by picking it up without turning your back on the coyote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Then make eye contact with a coyote, be big and loud, and then back away with your dog,” Parker-Shames said. This is called “\u003ca href=\"https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=123886\">hazing,\u003c/a>” and should scare the coyote away. Never let your dog play or chase a coyote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cats are also at risk of being killed by coyotes, so keeping them indoors can prevent any encounters. Keeping your trash, pet food and fruit from trees contained can help minimize coyote activity in your neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How can I learn more about coyote safety?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.eventbrite.com/e/coyote-conversations-free-community-meeting-tickets-1432303471239?aff=oddtdtcreator\">The Presidio Trust is hosting a free community meeting on July 16 from 6 to 7 p.m.\u003c/a> on “understanding and coexisting with coyotes in the Presidio. Experts like Parker-Shames will share information about coyote behavior, safety and their role in local ecosystems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If an aggressive encounter with a coyote does happen in the Presidio, you can report it to the Presidio Trust at 415-561-4270 or \u003ca href=\"mailto:coyote@presidiotrust.gov\">coyote@presidiotrust.gov\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To report an aggressive encounter or a coyote in need of help in East Bay Regional Parks, contact 510-881-1833. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12042615/animal-rescue-what-to-do-if-you-find-a-sick-or-lost-critter-in-the-bay-area\">If you find a sick or injured coyote elsewhere in the Bay Area\u003c/a>, contact a wildlife hospital like \u003ca href=\"https://discoverwildcare.org/\">WildCare\u003c/a>, which may be able to help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To report a sighting in San Francisco, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfanimalcare.org/living-with-urban-wildlife/coyote-sightings/\">you can alert Animal Care & Control\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://bayareacoyote.org/report/\">or fill out this form for a sighting outside of the city\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For any emergencies, call 911.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeCeDp_MY_h4G6VWj_-VPl-BJlQ3Uya2H0vxRZZd_47BpXwVA/viewform?embedded=true\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/19/us/coyotes-san-francisco-california.html\">While the reemergence of coyotes in the city has some residents divided,\u003c/a> their presence across the entire Bay Area has become a reality, both for the coyotes themselves and the people that interact with them in parks, neighborhoods and their backyards. And during the summer months, known as “pupping season,” human-coyote interactions can increase.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even though a coyote that’s protecting its young may seem threatening, the animals are unlikely to actually get aggressive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://bayareacoyote.org/\">Many local agencies, researchers and jurisdictions are working together\u003c/a> to manage coyote populations and help educate residents on the animals and their behaviors. Keep reading for what to know about coyotes and safety in the Bay Area, especially for pet owners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jump straight to:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Arecoyotesdangeroustomeormypets\">Are coyotes dangerous to me or my pets?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#WhatshouldIknowabouttheirpuprearingseason\">What should I know about their pup-rearing season?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#WhatdoIdoifIseeacoyote\">What do I do if I see a coyote?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>What’s with all the coyotes in the Bay Area?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“They are part of our native ecosystem,” said Phoebe Parker-Shames, wildlife ecologist for The Presidio Trust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coyotes naturally control pests, like rats, mice and gophers, and studies have shown that they also \u003ca href=\"https://projectcoyote.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/PC_SAB_Coyote-Facts_FINAL_2020_08.pdf\">contribute to bird biodiversity\u003c/a> by keeping feral cats and other small predator populations in check, Parker-Shames said. Plus, they don’t need much to survive: \u003ca href=\"https://discoverwildcare.org/understanding-coyote-denning-behavior/\">all they really need is a small burrow or opening to raise their infants, called a “den,”\u003c/a> and food, which also comes in the form of human trash. And with few natural predators in populated areas, they can actually thrive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12046810\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12046810 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/CoyotePresidioTrust2-1536x1152.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coyotes aren’t taking over the city anytime soon, said Phoebe Parker-Shames, a wildlife ecologist for The Presidio Trust. “We did see an increase when they first reestablished themselves into the city. But at this point in time, it will be and it has been stable.” \u003ccite>(Courtesy of The Presidio Trust)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Parker-Shames said \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/about/sustainability/coyotes-in-the-presidio\">the Presidio is working toward human-coyote “coexistence”\u003c/a> so humans and coyotes can share space in the city and beyond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said that due to their reemergence in San Francisco in particular, there’s a common misconception that coyote populations are out of control or going to “take over the city.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But once juvenile coyotes learn to fend for themselves as early as 10 months old, they tend to separate from their families and find their own territory, so there’s never a huge number of animals occupying the same space at once.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The reality is because coyotes are very territorial animals, it keeps the population stable year over year,” Parker-Shames said. “We did see an increase when they first reestablished themselves into the city. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“\u003ca href=\"https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pan3.10549\">It’s incredibly rare for people to be hurt by coyotes\u003c/a>,” Parker-Shames said, but they do pose a real threat to dogs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because a coyote’s instinct is to see other canines, usually other coyotes or wolves, as dangerous to them, their pups and their territory. So when a coyote meets a dog, “it’s seeing: ‘This is a threat to myself and to my baby,’” Parker-Shames said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s why coyotes will often go after dogs, even if they’re afraid of the humans nearby. It’s also why keeping your dog on a leash can be so effective in preventing interactions that could put your dog in danger, both because your presence may deter the coyote and also\u003ca href=\"https://coyoteyipps.com/2019/06/24/please-leash-up-coyotes-are-entitled-to-defend-their-den-areas-here-in-san-francisco/\"> prevent your dog from checking out den sites or engaging with coyotes,\u003c/a> which may be more defensive around their young.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our data indicates that if you’ve got a leash on your dog, you are far, far less likely to have a negative encounter with a coyote,” Parker-Shames said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What should I know during coyote \u003ca id=\"WhatshouldIknowabouttheirpuprearingseason\">\u003c/a>pupping season?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Pup-rearing season, when the coyote pups are born and eventually start to get big enough to go out on their own, stretches from springtime to fall, and this is when lots of activity occurs, Parker-Shames said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Coyotes are creating dens, having pups, and then the pup is getting bigger and starting to get a little bit more independent and curious and exploring the spaces around them,” Parker-Shames said. “And then eventually, [the pups are] starting to be fully independent and dispersing and trying to find their own territories.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12046819\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1003px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12046819 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphamale_InfantryTerraceMay2020DH.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1003\" height=\"753\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphamale_InfantryTerraceMay2020DH.png 1003w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphamale_InfantryTerraceMay2020DH-160x120.png 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1003px) 100vw, 1003px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Near the main denning area in the Presidio, a few trails are currently closed preemptively during the height of pupping season. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of The Presidio Trust)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>What hikers and dog walkers should know: Pupping season is also when coyote parents can be more protective of their pups, Mason said. Plus, with kids out of school, more people are out on trails, so sightings can be common.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you notice a coyote trailing you, that’s a behavior known as “escorting,” when the animal “follows at a closer distance than usual to encourage departure from the area,” Mason said. And while the parent may bare its teeth or growl, escorting isn’t typically aggressive — the coyote is usually just making sure you’re heading out of the vicinity of its pups. “The best course of action is to leave the area calmly and without running,” Mason advised.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Near the main denning area in the Presidio, \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/visit/dogs-in-the-presidio\">a few trails are currently closed preemptively\u003c/a> during the height of pupping season, with some closed only to dogs. On other trails throughout the Bay Area, signage will typically alert visitors to coyote activity in the area.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What do I do \u003ca id=\"WhatdoIdoifIseeacoyote\">\u003c/a>if I see a coyote?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“The most important thing is just keep a distance,” Mason said. “It’s best to walk calmly away and leave the area immediately,” — but don’t run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Coyotes are more active at dawn or dusk, but they usually observe you from afar, Mason said. So if you want to avoid an interaction, keep your dog leashed and any kids close by — and don’t go off-trail into their natural hiding spots, like brush. Do not ever feed a coyote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12046817\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 964px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12046817 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphafemale_InfantryTerrace_March2020DH.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"964\" height=\"721\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphafemale_InfantryTerrace_March2020DH.png 964w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/alphafemale_InfantryTerrace_March2020DH-160x120.png 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 964px) 100vw, 964px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coyotes are more active at dawn or dusk and will usually observe people from afar, East Bay Regional Parks spokesperson Dave Mason said. 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Keeping your trash, pet food and fruit from trees contained can help minimize coyote activity in your neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How can I learn more about coyote safety?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.eventbrite.com/e/coyote-conversations-free-community-meeting-tickets-1432303471239?aff=oddtdtcreator\">The Presidio Trust is hosting a free community meeting on July 16 from 6 to 7 p.m.\u003c/a> on “understanding and coexisting with coyotes in the Presidio. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the 1900s, San Francisco eradicated native coyotes from the city. But around 20 years ago, they returned and are now a part of daily life. For some residents, they’re a source of wonder, while others view them as a nuisance and a danger to pets and children.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Lin\u003c/b>\u003cstrong>ks:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/19/us/coyotes-san-francisco-california.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Coyotes of San Francisco\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/insider/coyotes-photography.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How We Photographed Coyotes in San Francisco\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ci>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. San Francisco Northern California Local.\u003c/i>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC2678301290&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:00] Where are you likely to come across a coyote in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:01:04] Increasingly, just about anywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:07] Heather Knight is the San Francisco Bureau Chief for The New York Times.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:01:13] There are different packs that control the green spaces. So anywhere from Telegraph Hill, Coit Tower, to the Presidio, to Glen Canyon, to golf courses. That’s where they’re concentrated. But they’ve been getting more bold and they go out and explore the city. So you can see them walking up streets. One was found in a laundromat. Sam Altman found one in his backyard, lounging on patio furniture. So yeah, there’s about 100 of them now. I live in Glen Park, and I walk a lot in the canyon there and I see them. There are the warning signs up, and I saw one walking up and down a staircase there. They’re just like your neighbors, you say hi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:59] You mentioned you see them in your own neighborhood and it sounds like just depending where you live and where you hang out they’re basically part of daily life here in a weird way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:02:10] Yeah, people around the country who read my story could not believe that. It sounds so strange that these apex predators would just be out and about in a city, but they are.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:21] I mean, how would you describe people’s relationship to these coyotes in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:02:28] That’s where things are very divisive. Some people love them, they’ve become part of the culture in some ways. Some people love seeing them and consider it really cool that these wild creatures are just part of our city. They’re on murals now and there are talks at the libraries that just fill up like you can’t even get into them. They’re so popular. But then on the other hand people, especially those who have small dogs and walk them around the city, really do not like them. They can be very dangerous to small dogs especially those that are off leash and a number of them have been killed. They’ve also killed cats, so people with pets may feel differently than others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:09] Stepping back a little bit, tell us about these coyotes and why are they in San Francisco? I mean, they’re native to California, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:03:16] Yes, they’re native to the West and they’re actually in cities around the country. Some have been spotted in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, but they really seem to be ubiquitous here in San Francisco. They were very widespread in the city in the early 1900s, but back then, they were considered kind of part of the Wild West that needed to be tamed, and so people were encouraged to actually shoot them on sight or poison them. There were bounties put out by the government, and so they were eradicated from San Francisco for about 75 years. But one of my favorite tidbits that I learned was that they came back to San Francisco about 2002, about 20, 25 years ago. The scientists were able to study their blood, and the DNA of the first arrivals back then actually do not match those to the south, the peninsula, Silicon Valley. Those coyotes are a different beast, apparently, and they actually more closely align with the DNA of those living in Marin County and beyond up north. And so scientists think that they came back by crossing the Golden Gate Bridge, just walked over. I don’t think they paid the toll, probably. And then the first one probably howled and brought others across with them. So then every spring more pups were born and now we have about a hundred.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:40] Are there any other theories about how these coyotes could have ended up back in San Francisco from the north?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:04:47] It’s possible that they swam, but that is more of a challenge, of course, than walking across the bridge, as probably we could relate to. But interestingly, I learned after publication that there is a family living on Angel Island. So it seems like those probably did swim over, although that’s a shorter swim, so more feasible, unless maybe they hopped aboard a ferry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:10] I mean, I know you talked about this love-hate relationship that San Franciscans seem to have with these coyotes these days. And I know, you talked to a bunch of people. What are the range of feelings that you heard from folks about how they’re feeling about them these days?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:05:27] The scientists I talked to are very pro-coyote. They said, you know, you can’t do anything about them anyway. They’re going to be here as they proved they came back and repopulated. Some people say we should cull them, eradicate them again. But the scientists point out that would not work. They’re gonna come back. So there’s a lot of people who live in the city and think they’re majestic creatures. It’s kind a delightful little aspect of San Francisco that you see coyotes, you know, walking to your grocery store. Other people feel very differently, especially those who walk little dogs. I did interview a woman she talked about last fall walking her little eight pound pup at Chrissy Field and it is an off leash area although there were warning signs of coyotes. So she let her dog off leash but kept an eye on him and then a coyote came up and grabbed the dog in its mouth in front of her and ran off and she described screaming and chasing the coyote, eventually caught up to him and it was way too late for her dog. So to see that happen to your pet on a Saturday walk is pretty devastating, so obviously these emotions are strong.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:41] Yeah, that’s traumatic. And there’s been a couple of more high profile incidents involving these coyotes in recent years, right, that’s, I think, really leaving a bad taste in people’s mouths.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:06:54] Right. So for example, there was one incident at the Botanical Gardens in Golden Gate Park, I believe in the summer of 2024, where a five-year-old girl was bitten on the backside by a coyote and needed stitches. She was okay. But of course, that was traumatic as well. Federal agents came out and killed three members of that coyote family. But it turns out that the camp was held very close to a coyotes den and that it may be that adults were not keeping an eye on the children. And so there’s, you know, scientists are saying like, we need to better exist with these animals and be careful when we have little kids and little dogs in these wild spaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:32] You talked earlier about the city’s approach to coyotes back in the 1900s, and basically the approach being get rid of the coyotes, but how would you describe the city approach to the coyote these days?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:07:45] So now they have a policy where if a coyote kills a little dog, they just consider that kind of the circle of life. That is prey. And it’s just, it can be traumatic to see it, you know, in a city and kind of feel strange and devastating, but it is also natural. But if they do go after children, then that’s when they will take action and discuss what has happened with federal agents and jointly decide when coyotes need to be taken out. So that really aggressive coyote who had killed a number of dogs, the city wasn’t going to do anything about that. But when the coyote did lunge at a school trip of children at Chrissy Field, they decided that the coyotes had to be eradicated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:42] Do we know whether San Francisco coyotes are in fact getting more aggressive? Like has their behavior changed over the years?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:08:59] Animal care and control gets reports about coyote behavior often. Usually they do not consider them super disturbing, but when that really aggressive coyote at Chrissy Field was killing dogs and lunged at the school children, they started getting up to 10 reports a day of just that one coyote and, you know, very disturbing, bold, overly aggressive behavior. I’ve never heard of a coyote attacking an adult. Most coyotes will never go after humans. That’s just not part of their behavior. But a few in recent years have become overly aggressive. The wildlife specialists and scientists said that one problem is humans. Some humans will actually hand feed coyotes, which is kind of insane. Like there’s been a few people who will bring trays of raw meat out to parks and just feed them. Far more often, humans are just careless, like they may be picnicking and leave food out near dens. Or trash cans, we see that all the time, are overflowing with food, or fishermen who use raw chicken as bait when they’re fishing in the bay may leave that out on docks. And so coyotes are getting accustomed to associating humans with food. And that is a huge problem behind all of this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:18] It’s interesting. It sounds like, I mean, part of the problem is our relationship to the coyotes, actually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:10:24] Right, so when this particular coyote was killed last fall, the Presidio Wildlife people actually got together and held a funeral for the coyote. They sang songs and spread flowers and they felt really devastated because this is a coyote family that lives in the Presidio, you know, well known to people who work there. They described it as a real failure on their part to not better educate the public and the failure of humans who are leaving far too much food out and kind of messing with the way coyotes naturally behave.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:05] And I mean, talking about the circle of life, we actually kind of need these coyotes too, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:11:12] Yes, so although pet owners can be very anti-coyote, which can be understandable, the scientists I talked to said that they’re actually really important to the ecology of San Francisco. They keep the rat population in check. And they also kill feral cats, which can protect birds. So there’s a lot of benefits to having the coyotes around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:34] Yeah, I guess that’s why our streets don’t look like New York with the rats. Shout out to the coyotes. What would it look like to live in harmony with these coyotes, which as you’ve described are natural to this part of California. They’re important to our ecology. I mean, what do the people you talk with say when it comes to how we can live with these coyotes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:11:57] Yeah, so they said the big thing is the food. Do not leave food scraps out and about. That’s probably just good behavior generally. But another issue is just to be better aware of what their behavior is. One behavior they have is called escorting. So if a parent coyote has babies in a den, they will be very protective of that space in the area around it. This has happened a lot at Bernal Hill where people will be walking their dogs and the coyotes appear to be very threatening. Their face looks threatening, their ears go back, they bare their teeth. But the scientists said that they’re just kind of trying to steer you away from the den and they’re not actually intending to hurt anyone or do anything other than make sure that you don’t get too close to their pups. They’re very big on keeping your little dogs on leashes, especially when you see signs posted. The city’s doing a better job of knowing where the coyotes are and posting those warning signs. So if you see that, even if you’d like your little dog to be able to run around, you know, better safe, then sorry. I was at an outdoor yoga class in Hellman Hollow yesterday and there were a lot of those signs posted but I saw a lot dog owners with little dogs letting them off leash and running around these signs warning of coyotes and I was just like oh gosh this yoga class could go very bad. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:00] Where are you likely to come across a coyote in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:01:04] Increasingly, just about anywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:07] Heather Knight is the San Francisco Bureau Chief for The New York Times.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:01:13] There are different packs that control the green spaces. So anywhere from Telegraph Hill, Coit Tower, to the Presidio, to Glen Canyon, to golf courses. That’s where they’re concentrated. But they’ve been getting more bold and they go out and explore the city. So you can see them walking up streets. One was found in a laundromat. Sam Altman found one in his backyard, lounging on patio furniture. So yeah, there’s about 100 of them now. I live in Glen Park, and I walk a lot in the canyon there and I see them. There are the warning signs up, and I saw one walking up and down a staircase there. They’re just like your neighbors, you say hi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:59] You mentioned you see them in your own neighborhood and it sounds like just depending where you live and where you hang out they’re basically part of daily life here in a weird way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:02:10] Yeah, people around the country who read my story could not believe that. It sounds so strange that these apex predators would just be out and about in a city, but they are.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:21] I mean, how would you describe people’s relationship to these coyotes in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:02:28] That’s where things are very divisive. Some people love them, they’ve become part of the culture in some ways. Some people love seeing them and consider it really cool that these wild creatures are just part of our city. They’re on murals now and there are talks at the libraries that just fill up like you can’t even get into them. They’re so popular. But then on the other hand people, especially those who have small dogs and walk them around the city, really do not like them. They can be very dangerous to small dogs especially those that are off leash and a number of them have been killed. They’ve also killed cats, so people with pets may feel differently than others.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:09] Stepping back a little bit, tell us about these coyotes and why are they in San Francisco? I mean, they’re native to California, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:03:16] Yes, they’re native to the West and they’re actually in cities around the country. Some have been spotted in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, but they really seem to be ubiquitous here in San Francisco. They were very widespread in the city in the early 1900s, but back then, they were considered kind of part of the Wild West that needed to be tamed, and so people were encouraged to actually shoot them on sight or poison them. There were bounties put out by the government, and so they were eradicated from San Francisco for about 75 years. But one of my favorite tidbits that I learned was that they came back to San Francisco about 2002, about 20, 25 years ago. The scientists were able to study their blood, and the DNA of the first arrivals back then actually do not match those to the south, the peninsula, Silicon Valley. Those coyotes are a different beast, apparently, and they actually more closely align with the DNA of those living in Marin County and beyond up north. And so scientists think that they came back by crossing the Golden Gate Bridge, just walked over. I don’t think they paid the toll, probably. And then the first one probably howled and brought others across with them. So then every spring more pups were born and now we have about a hundred.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:40] Are there any other theories about how these coyotes could have ended up back in San Francisco from the north?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:04:47] It’s possible that they swam, but that is more of a challenge, of course, than walking across the bridge, as probably we could relate to. But interestingly, I learned after publication that there is a family living on Angel Island. So it seems like those probably did swim over, although that’s a shorter swim, so more feasible, unless maybe they hopped aboard a ferry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:10] I mean, I know you talked about this love-hate relationship that San Franciscans seem to have with these coyotes these days. And I know, you talked to a bunch of people. What are the range of feelings that you heard from folks about how they’re feeling about them these days?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:05:27] The scientists I talked to are very pro-coyote. They said, you know, you can’t do anything about them anyway. They’re going to be here as they proved they came back and repopulated. Some people say we should cull them, eradicate them again. But the scientists point out that would not work. They’re gonna come back. So there’s a lot of people who live in the city and think they’re majestic creatures. It’s kind a delightful little aspect of San Francisco that you see coyotes, you know, walking to your grocery store. Other people feel very differently, especially those who walk little dogs. I did interview a woman she talked about last fall walking her little eight pound pup at Chrissy Field and it is an off leash area although there were warning signs of coyotes. So she let her dog off leash but kept an eye on him and then a coyote came up and grabbed the dog in its mouth in front of her and ran off and she described screaming and chasing the coyote, eventually caught up to him and it was way too late for her dog. So to see that happen to your pet on a Saturday walk is pretty devastating, so obviously these emotions are strong.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:41] Yeah, that’s traumatic. And there’s been a couple of more high profile incidents involving these coyotes in recent years, right, that’s, I think, really leaving a bad taste in people’s mouths.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:06:54] Right. So for example, there was one incident at the Botanical Gardens in Golden Gate Park, I believe in the summer of 2024, where a five-year-old girl was bitten on the backside by a coyote and needed stitches. She was okay. But of course, that was traumatic as well. Federal agents came out and killed three members of that coyote family. But it turns out that the camp was held very close to a coyotes den and that it may be that adults were not keeping an eye on the children. And so there’s, you know, scientists are saying like, we need to better exist with these animals and be careful when we have little kids and little dogs in these wild spaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:32] You talked earlier about the city’s approach to coyotes back in the 1900s, and basically the approach being get rid of the coyotes, but how would you describe the city approach to the coyote these days?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:07:45] So now they have a policy where if a coyote kills a little dog, they just consider that kind of the circle of life. That is prey. And it’s just, it can be traumatic to see it, you know, in a city and kind of feel strange and devastating, but it is also natural. But if they do go after children, then that’s when they will take action and discuss what has happened with federal agents and jointly decide when coyotes need to be taken out. So that really aggressive coyote who had killed a number of dogs, the city wasn’t going to do anything about that. But when the coyote did lunge at a school trip of children at Chrissy Field, they decided that the coyotes had to be eradicated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:42] Do we know whether San Francisco coyotes are in fact getting more aggressive? Like has their behavior changed over the years?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:08:59] Animal care and control gets reports about coyote behavior often. Usually they do not consider them super disturbing, but when that really aggressive coyote at Chrissy Field was killing dogs and lunged at the school children, they started getting up to 10 reports a day of just that one coyote and, you know, very disturbing, bold, overly aggressive behavior. I’ve never heard of a coyote attacking an adult. Most coyotes will never go after humans. That’s just not part of their behavior. But a few in recent years have become overly aggressive. The wildlife specialists and scientists said that one problem is humans. Some humans will actually hand feed coyotes, which is kind of insane. Like there’s been a few people who will bring trays of raw meat out to parks and just feed them. Far more often, humans are just careless, like they may be picnicking and leave food out near dens. Or trash cans, we see that all the time, are overflowing with food, or fishermen who use raw chicken as bait when they’re fishing in the bay may leave that out on docks. And so coyotes are getting accustomed to associating humans with food. And that is a huge problem behind all of this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:18] It’s interesting. It sounds like, I mean, part of the problem is our relationship to the coyotes, actually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:10:24] Right, so when this particular coyote was killed last fall, the Presidio Wildlife people actually got together and held a funeral for the coyote. They sang songs and spread flowers and they felt really devastated because this is a coyote family that lives in the Presidio, you know, well known to people who work there. They described it as a real failure on their part to not better educate the public and the failure of humans who are leaving far too much food out and kind of messing with the way coyotes naturally behave.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:05] And I mean, talking about the circle of life, we actually kind of need these coyotes too, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:11:12] Yes, so although pet owners can be very anti-coyote, which can be understandable, the scientists I talked to said that they’re actually really important to the ecology of San Francisco. They keep the rat population in check. And they also kill feral cats, which can protect birds. So there’s a lot of benefits to having the coyotes around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:34] Yeah, I guess that’s why our streets don’t look like New York with the rats. Shout out to the coyotes. What would it look like to live in harmony with these coyotes, which as you’ve described are natural to this part of California. They’re important to our ecology. I mean, what do the people you talk with say when it comes to how we can live with these coyotes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:11:57] Yeah, so they said the big thing is the food. Do not leave food scraps out and about. That’s probably just good behavior generally. But another issue is just to be better aware of what their behavior is. One behavior they have is called escorting. So if a parent coyote has babies in a den, they will be very protective of that space in the area around it. This has happened a lot at Bernal Hill where people will be walking their dogs and the coyotes appear to be very threatening. Their face looks threatening, their ears go back, they bare their teeth. But the scientists said that they’re just kind of trying to steer you away from the den and they’re not actually intending to hurt anyone or do anything other than make sure that you don’t get too close to their pups. They’re very big on keeping your little dogs on leashes, especially when you see signs posted. The city’s doing a better job of knowing where the coyotes are and posting those warning signs. So if you see that, even if you’d like your little dog to be able to run around, you know, better safe, then sorry. I was at an outdoor yoga class in Hellman Hollow yesterday and there were a lot of those signs posted but I saw a lot dog owners with little dogs letting them off leash and running around these signs warning of coyotes and I was just like oh gosh this yoga class could go very bad. Luckily it didn’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:13:20] I mean, other than, I guess, following these warning signs, are there any other precautions that pet owners are taking?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:13:27] Yeah, there’s a new dog accessory these days, which is a vest with spikes on it. Some look kind of construction worker vest orange vibes where others are more punk looking with like black vests and silver spikes. But a lot of dog owners are doing that because coyotes, you know, are not gonna want to grab something with spikes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:13:51] What has the reader response been like to your story? You’re writing about San Francisco for the New York Times, and there’s a lot of people nationally talking about San Fransisco, but how are they feeling about the San Francisco Coyotes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:14:04] We got a great response. It was really surprising to see how into this story people were, just really captivated by these amazing photos, somuch so that I wrote a follow-up piece describing how the photos were taken. So I got to interview Loren Elliott, the photographer, about how exactly he took these photos. He went out and heard a howl at Bernal Hill and found this coyote pretty early in the morning who was just stirring and he actually spotted it and he was able to take this just wonderful photo that really captured people’s attentions where the coyote is howling and his face is framed in sunlight and right outside the shadow is a car driving past and a woman jogging just feet from him. 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So I think you’re going to find long lines, less law enforcement presence, less search and rescue capability, and less visitor centers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1996682/yosemite-reservation-system-2025-vehicles-camping\">Yosemite\u003c/a>, he said the quality of service is already declining: the popular High Sierra Camps are closed, and other campgrounds have had to delay their opening ahead of the busy season.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Russell Galipeau, who retired as superintendent of Channel Islands National Park in 2018, said he noticed cuts already beginning to affect service in his last few years on the job. However, he added that the recent hiring freeze and additional cuts in the proposed White House budget are unlike anything he has ever seen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11997996\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11997996\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Upper Yosemite Fall is reflected in the Merced River at Swinging Bridge in Yosemite National Park on June 13, 2023. \u003ccite>(Tracy Barbutes for The Washington Post via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The poor park service is left in a catch-22,” he said. “They want to keep the parks, but they don’t have the human resources or the funding to do it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Neubacher and Galipeau are also members of the executive council of the Coalition to Protect America’s National Parks, a nonprofit organization made up of current and former parks employees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement, the National Park Service said, “It’s not unusual or unique to this year for questions to come up about staffing or for the staffing needs to fluctuate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But according to Neubacher, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1996198/what-you-should-know-about-visiting-national-parks-right-now\">situation on the ground\u003c/a> is much more severe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re saying everything’s fine, but I don’t think one person in the park service believes that. And all the people I talk to say it’s really traumatic and it’s in crisis mode,” Neubacher said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added that many park staffers are so demoralized on the job that they are “jumping ship” at the first opportunity.[aside postID=news_12029839 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/250224-Presidio-20-BL_qed-1020x680.jpg']Besides longer lines and dirtier facilities, Galipeau said reduced staffing could also endanger park visitors. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1996682/yosemite-reservation-system-2025-vehicles-camping\">Yosemite\u003c/a>, he said the quality of service is already declining: the popular High Sierra Camps are closed, and other campgrounds have had to delay their opening ahead of the busy season.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Russell Galipeau, who retired as superintendent of Channel Islands National Park in 2018, said he noticed cuts already beginning to affect service in his last few years on the job. However, he added that the recent hiring freeze and additional cuts in the proposed White House budget are unlike anything he has ever seen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11997996\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11997996\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/07/GETTYIMAGES-2021284785-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Upper Yosemite Fall is reflected in the Merced River at Swinging Bridge in Yosemite National Park on June 13, 2023. \u003ccite>(Tracy Barbutes for The Washington Post via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The poor park service is left in a catch-22,” he said. “They want to keep the parks, but they don’t have the human resources or the funding to do it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Neubacher and Galipeau are also members of the executive council of the Coalition to Protect America’s National Parks, a nonprofit organization made up of current and former parks employees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement, the National Park Service said, “It’s not unusual or unique to this year for questions to come up about staffing or for the staffing needs to fluctuate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But according to Neubacher, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1996198/what-you-should-know-about-visiting-national-parks-right-now\">situation on the ground\u003c/a> is much more severe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re saying everything’s fine, but I don’t think one person in the park service believes that. And all the people I talk to say it’s really traumatic and it’s in crisis mode,” Neubacher said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He added that many park staffers are so demoralized on the job that they are “jumping ship” at the first opportunity.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Besides longer lines and dirtier facilities, Galipeau said reduced staffing could also endanger park visitors. Fewer staffers will mean longer emergency service response times and less preventive maintenance for roads and trails.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You have a bad experience or you get lost or you get hurt or maybe there’s a crime that occurs in the park, and there’s no one for you to turn to,” Galipeau said. “All this equates to a bad visitor experience, and a bad visitor experience means you won’t go back.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The lack of maintenance also spells trouble for the beginning of the peak wildfire season in California, and Neubacher said the parks are less prepared now than ever.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not only will there be fewer people to maintain vegetation and remove invasive species, but park rangers are also trained medics and firefighters. Galipeau said rangers are often sent to other regions or states to offer disaster aid; as a ranger at Everglades National Park in Florida, he was once sent to help fight fires in Oregon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If we don’t have those people around, how are we going to help when there’s a catastrophe? We won’t be able to,” Galipeau said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite the issues they anticipate, the former park service leaders said that people should still visit the parks this summer — if anything, to see for themselves how bad it is and offer their sympathies to staff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Go there, enjoy your heritage. That’s why we set these places aside as a country,” Galipeau said. “But then if you see things that are broken, you need to go back home, you need to dial up your member of Congress or your senator and say, ‘You need to stop this.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>On a sunny Thursday in San Francisco’s Presidio, groups of elementary school students ate lunch outside the Walt Disney Museum, people waited in line at food trucks lining the lawn and groups chatted in red low-back chairs overlooking the water.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Heidi Cook, who’s visiting from Maine, was spending her final day in the city sitting just north of the lawn, looking out at the bridge with a friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We were just talking about how absolutely beautiful this place is, and that a group of people had the vision to make this happen,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That vision appears to be threatened by \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/donald-trump\">President Trump\u003c/a>, who signed a sweeping executive order Wednesday night to all but eliminate certain federal agencies, including the Presidio Trust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trust, which Congress formed in 1996 to manage and protect the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11972756/the-hidden-history-of-fort-scott-in-san-franciscos-presidio\">historic 1,500-acre park\u003c/a> that looks out on the Golden Gate Bridge and San Francisco Bay, is one of four agencies named in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/commencing-the-reduction-of-the-federal-bureaucracy/\">“Reduction of the Federal Bureaucracy” order,\u003c/a> which calls for shrinking agencies that the administration deems “unnecessary” to “minimize government waste and abuse.” They have been ordered to eliminate their non-statutory operations “to the maximum extent consistent with applicable law” and reduce their statutory function to the minimum required by law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12024943\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12024943\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi meets with KQED in her office in the San Francisco Federal Building, Thursday Jan. 30, 2025. \u003ccite>(David M. 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We have to remember there are 3,000 San Francisco residents that live in the Presidio. These are my constituents; this is deeply, deeply personal to me and to my neighbors.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12027868\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12027868\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The mostly empty lawn of the Main Parade Ground in front of the Walt Disney Museum in the Presidio of San Francisco, on Mar. 13, 2020. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On Thursday in the park, Elizabeth Bradburn’s goldendoodle Charles was among about a dozen running off-leash.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We definitely bring the dog here and meet other dog parents and families,” she said, adding that her family often brings visiting friends down to see the bridge and eat at restaurants in the Presidio. “I think it’s a destination spot for a lot of people from outside of San Francisco, but then we who live here also use it regularly on a daily basis.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. military’s Base Realignment and Closure process in the 1990s shuttered a number of old Army bases, including the one that used to occupy the Presidio land. It could have become a national park at the time, said Jim Wunderman, who was working for San Francisco Mayor Frank Jordan, but the Republican-led federal government pushed back.[aside postID=news_12027607 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/GettyImages-184795463-1020x680.jpg']Instead, the Presidio Trust was formed, creating a public-private partnership that lessened the financial burden on the Department of the Interior and garnered bipartisan support. The agency would get federal money to help it \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12023708/surprising-ways-former-bay-area-military-bases-are-transforming-and-why-it-takes-so-long\">transition from an Army base\u003c/a> and work closely with the National Park Service, but it had to become financially independent by 2013.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A spokesperson for the trust said it “has not received regular annual appropriations from Congress since 2013,” and now relies on funds earned by leasing historic buildings it has renovated, including the Walt Disney Museum, the Bay School and many restaurants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The agency will submit a report to the Office of Management and Budget in two weeks, as required by the order, but is confident that its operations are statutorily based, according to a spokesperson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The Presidio is a one-of-a-kind national park site, and all of its services and business will continue to operate as normal, welcoming visitors and serving all who live and work here,” the trust’s statement reads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The national landmark has been on Republican lawmakers’ radar as a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12023991/republicans-target-sfs-presidio-for-tax-cuts-immigration-crackdown\">place to recoup funds\u003c/a> for weeks, first floated in a 50-page list of potential cost reductions to pay for Trump’s immigration crackdown and tax cuts in January. The list that circulated among GOP leaders called for the Presidio Trust to return $200 million secured by Pelosi in the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act to make infrastructure upgrades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The list claimed that the way the transfer of the funds was requested “was not consistent with standard agency practices for selecting priority deferred maintenance projects,” but Presidio spokespeople have said the money is already in use. It’s unclear whether these funds will be affected by the order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi said during a press conference Thursday that it was unclear if those funds could be clawed back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t know,” she said. “That’s a matter of law. They are committed and when they are committed there are certain standards that are examined.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think the president’s targeting everyone,” Pelosi continued. “But when we wrote our bill, we wrote it, as I said, prepared for an assault. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That vision appears to be threatened by \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/donald-trump\">President Trump\u003c/a>, who signed a sweeping executive order Wednesday night to all but eliminate certain federal agencies, including the Presidio Trust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trust, which Congress formed in 1996 to manage and protect the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11972756/the-hidden-history-of-fort-scott-in-san-franciscos-presidio\">historic 1,500-acre park\u003c/a> that looks out on the Golden Gate Bridge and San Francisco Bay, is one of four agencies named in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/commencing-the-reduction-of-the-federal-bureaucracy/\">“Reduction of the Federal Bureaucracy” order,\u003c/a> which calls for shrinking agencies that the administration deems “unnecessary” to “minimize government waste and abuse.” They have been ordered to eliminate their non-statutory operations “to the maximum extent consistent with applicable law” and reduce their statutory function to the minimum required by law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12024943\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12024943\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/20250130_Pelosi_DB_00406-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi meets with KQED in her office in the San Francisco Federal Building, Thursday Jan. 30, 2025. \u003ccite>(David M. Barreda/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The Presidio Trust is statutory, and it has been protected from assaults over time by its statutory strength,” Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi (D–San Francisco) said in a statement Wednesday night. “We will be carefully reviewing the language of the President’s executive order and its purpose.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The order also targets the Inter-American Foundation, the United States African Development Foundation, and the United States Institute of Peace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Whether the order will face legal contest wasn’t immediately clear Thursday, but Californians have already mounted \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12027149/california-battles-trumps-executive-orders-in-court-as-legal-and-political-tensions-rise\">multiple fights against Trump in court\u003c/a> since he took office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Francisco Supervisor Stephen Sherrill, who represents the park area, said that while it’s still unclear exactly what the order will do, he is working with the trust and local lawmakers to protect the Presidio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The only thing that this does is create completely unnecessary fear,” he told KQED. “I’ll be incredibly supportive of our city attorneys and of our federal officials in pushing back at this. We have to remember there are 3,000 San Francisco residents that live in the Presidio. These are my constituents; this is deeply, deeply personal to me and to my neighbors.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12027868\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12027868\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/02/015_KQED_SanFrancisco_Coronavirus_03132020_7090_qed-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The mostly empty lawn of the Main Parade Ground in front of the Walt Disney Museum in the Presidio of San Francisco, on Mar. 13, 2020. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On Thursday in the park, Elizabeth Bradburn’s goldendoodle Charles was among about a dozen running off-leash.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We definitely bring the dog here and meet other dog parents and families,” she said, adding that her family often brings visiting friends down to see the bridge and eat at restaurants in the Presidio. “I think it’s a destination spot for a lot of people from outside of San Francisco, but then we who live here also use it regularly on a daily basis.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. military’s Base Realignment and Closure process in the 1990s shuttered a number of old Army bases, including the one that used to occupy the Presidio land. It could have become a national park at the time, said Jim Wunderman, who was working for San Francisco Mayor Frank Jordan, but the Republican-led federal government pushed back.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Instead, the Presidio Trust was formed, creating a public-private partnership that lessened the financial burden on the Department of the Interior and garnered bipartisan support. The agency would get federal money to help it \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12023708/surprising-ways-former-bay-area-military-bases-are-transforming-and-why-it-takes-so-long\">transition from an Army base\u003c/a> and work closely with the National Park Service, but it had to become financially independent by 2013.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A spokesperson for the trust said it “has not received regular annual appropriations from Congress since 2013,” and now relies on funds earned by leasing historic buildings it has renovated, including the Walt Disney Museum, the Bay School and many restaurants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The agency will submit a report to the Office of Management and Budget in two weeks, as required by the order, but is confident that its operations are statutorily based, according to a spokesperson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The Presidio is a one-of-a-kind national park site, and all of its services and business will continue to operate as normal, welcoming visitors and serving all who live and work here,” the trust’s statement reads.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The national landmark has been on Republican lawmakers’ radar as a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12023991/republicans-target-sfs-presidio-for-tax-cuts-immigration-crackdown\">place to recoup funds\u003c/a> for weeks, first floated in a 50-page list of potential cost reductions to pay for Trump’s immigration crackdown and tax cuts in January. The list that circulated among GOP leaders called for the Presidio Trust to return $200 million secured by Pelosi in the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act to make infrastructure upgrades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The list claimed that the way the transfer of the funds was requested “was not consistent with standard agency practices for selecting priority deferred maintenance projects,” but Presidio spokespeople have said the money is already in use. It’s unclear whether these funds will be affected by the order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pelosi said during a press conference Thursday that it was unclear if those funds could be clawed back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t know,” she said. “That’s a matter of law. They are committed and when they are committed there are certain standards that are examined.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think the president’s targeting everyone,” Pelosi continued. “But when we wrote our bill, we wrote it, as I said, prepared for an assault. The statute is very tight and purposeful.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wander onto the parade ground of Fort Scott, and one of the first questions that comes to mind is: “What is this place?” A large grassy field is bordered by tall beige buildings with red roofs. The place feels deserted, the windows boarded up but still preserved. It’s eerie to be in such a big open space with so few people around — just a few dog walkers and a cyclist or two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s particularly odd because Fort Scott is just steps away from epic views over the Golden Gate Bridge, a well-traveled cycling path, and one of the biggest thoroughfares running through the park. But none of that bustle seems to reach this collection of empty buildings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the years, our listeners have wondered what Fort Scott was used for, what life was like there, and why it remains closed up when so much of the Presidio has been put to modern use. To answer these questions, we took a trip to the edge of the city and back in time.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Defending the Pacific \u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972765\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972765\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Coastal-defense-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-in-the-Presidio-1939-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg\" alt=\"Outline of a man in old fashioned military uniform stands next to a cannon pointed a soupy mass of clouds.\" width=\"600\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Coastal-defense-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-in-the-Presidio-1939-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg 600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Coastal-defense-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-in-the-Presidio-1939-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY-160x128.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coastal defense gun at Fort Winfield Scott in the Presidio, 1939. \u003ccite>(Courtesy \u003ca href=\"https://digitalsf.org/islandora/object/islandora:131391\">San Francisco History Center\u003c/a>/San Francisco Public Library)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>San Francisco’s Presidio has a long military history, of which Fort Scott is just one part. In 1776, Spanish colonizers landed on Ohlone land and decided this northwest spit of land overlooking the narrow entrance to the Bay would be a strategic location for protecting the Pacific coast from attacking ships. Once the territory became part of the U.S. in 1848, the military continued fortifying the site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fort Scott — whose official name is actually Fort \u003ci>Winfield \u003c/i>Scott, \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfield_Scott\">after one of the most prominent U.S. officers of the 19th century\u003c/a> — was built in 1912 to be the Army’s new Coast Artillery Headquarters. The soldiers stationed here defended the Pacific Coast from offshore attacks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC4303079219&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everything that the army needed to operate a post of about 1,000 to 1,200 people was here,” said Rob Thomson, federal preservation officer for the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/\">Presidio Trust\u003c/a>, an independent federal agency that manages the majority of the buildings in the Presidio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The center of the fort is a horseshoe-shaped lawn known as the parade ground. Ten barracks buildings surround the parade ground, each housing 105 soldiers. This is where soldiers would practice their drills, perform flag ceremonies and assemble for inspections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972766\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11972766 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott.jpg\" alt=\"Sepia colored photo shows a large barracks building with three straight rows of soldiers lined up in front. In the distance is water and hills.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"712\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott.jpg 1000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-800x570.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-160x114.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coastal Artillery soldiers lined up in front of a barracks at Fort Winfield Scott, circa 1912. \u003ccite>(\u003ca href=\"https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp27.4791.jpg\">OpenSFHistory / wnp27.4791\u003c/a>)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“There’s also a spectacular view of the Golden Gate Bridge, which nobody knew was going to be there when all of these buildings were built,” Thomson said. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11749629/the-golden-gate-bridge-your-questions-answered?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=Bay%20Curious%20Newsletter&mc_key=00Q1Y00001pDwBAUA0\">The Golden Gate Bridge wasn’t finished until 1937.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Soldiers stationed at Fort Scott early in the 20th century had one main duty: man the 17 artillery batteries lining the coast. Remnants of these giant cannons that stuck out of the cliffside are still visible on coastal hikes through the Presidio. When they were first built in the 1890s, they were considered state-of-the-art defensive installations and nicknamed “Uncle Sam’s guardians.” But keeping the batteries in working order was a harsh job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972767\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972767\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033.jpg\" alt=\"Black and white photo of a large cannon placed on top of a hill and pointed out over a wall.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"679\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033.jpg 1000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033-800x543.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033-160x109.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gun #3 at Battery Godfrey in Fort Winfield Scott. Gun #2 is visible at right. \u003ccite>(\u003ca href=\"https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp71.20033.jpg\">OpenSFHistory / wnp71.20033\u003c/a>)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The soldiers who had to be out there all the time didn’t have a great day-to-day life,” Thomson said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Soldiers camped out on the windy, cold coastline in long, unpleasant shifts. The largest of the batteries needed 14 men to aim and load the guns, and the ammunition weighed up to 1,000 pounds. Test explosions were so loud they would damage the windows and doors of nearby residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972771\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972771\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/1942-Hidden-anti-aircraft-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-Presidio-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg\" alt=\"Sepia photo of three soldiers lifting a wooden hatch in a hill to reveal an anti-aircraft gun.\" width=\"600\" height=\"442\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/1942-Hidden-anti-aircraft-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-Presidio-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg 600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/1942-Hidden-anti-aircraft-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-Presidio-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY-160x118.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hidden anti-aircraft gun at Fort Winfield Scott in San Francisco’s Presidio, circa 1942. \u003ccite>(Courtesy \u003ca href=\"https://digitalsf.org/islandora/object/islandora:131329\">San Francisco History Center\u003c/a>/San Francisco Public Library)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It didn’t take many years for advancements in warfare to render the coastal batteries at Fort Scott obsolete. The advent of air power meant that by the time World War II started, the real threat to San Francisco was from airplanes, not ships. In 1950, the Army terminated its Coast Artillery Division, and soldiers at Fort Scott were reassigned to mapmaking, surveying, and anti-aircraft defenses, most notably Nike missiles. It’s still possible to visit the \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nike+Missile+Site+SF-89L/@37.7920473,-122.4842431,15z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x8085871e6dfcf64f:0x83cb162384d3023f!8m2!3d37.7919456!4d-122.4740722!16s%2Fg%2F1tjdx3qq?entry=ttu\">Nike missile site\u003c/a> south of Fort Scott and the one in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nike+Missile+Site+SF-88L/@37.8192661,-122.543176,13.92z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x808585f1bb04a0f5:0x692d3b80397e8bd9!8m2!3d37.8271142!4d-122.5274177!16zL20vMDU3bF96?entry=ttu\">Marin Headlands\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Inside the buildings of Fort Scott\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Casual walkers through the Fort Scott complex often wonder why the buildings are sealed off. A primary reason is to preserve the remnants of life at the fort. Although not open to the public, the attic of Building 1216 is a perfect snapshot of daily life at Fort Scott during World War II. Murals wrap around the long white walls of this converted classroom, depicting everything from soldiers playing baseball on the parade field to gas mask training.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The story goes that a couple of the soldiers who had been drafted during the 1950s weren’t so happy about having wound up in Army life,” Thomson said. “But they did have a background in fine arts, and so their commanding officer invited them to spruce up the classroom with the murals that you now see around us.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972774\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972774\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg\" alt=\"A slightly chipped mural depicting a batter, catcher and umpire at home plate. Behind them loom two towers of the Golden Gate Bridge.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1440\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Carefully preserved inside one of the Fort Scott buildings are murals of life at the base painted by Perrin Gerber, a soldier stationed there in the 1950s. \u003ccite>(Bianca Taylor/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The main artist was a soldier named Perrin Gerber, who painted the murals between 1956 and 1957.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gerber’s family visited Fort Scott to see the murals and identified the artist’s personal touches. For example, the image painted on the inside of a gym locker in one of the scenes shares a likeness with Gerber’s girlfriend and future wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972775\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1020px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972775\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg\" alt=\"Stylized painting of five soldiers hanging out in a locker room joking around.\" width=\"1020\" height=\"1360\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-160x213.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1020px) 100vw, 1020px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">In this casual scene, Perrin Gerber’s family said they recognized the image of his then-girlfriend on the inside of the locker. \u003ccite>(Bianca Taylor/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>The Presidio Mutiny\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>A short walk away from Building 1216 is the Fort Scott Stockade, basically a military jail. This was the site of the infamous Presidio Mutiny of 1968.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fort Scott didn’t escape the cultural upheaval of the 1960s and the national conversation about whether the U.S. should be fighting the Vietnam War. Soldiers who voiced anti-war sentiments were sent to the Fort Scott stockade, which soon became overcrowded. As conditions inside the jail got worse, tensions between guards and soldiers escalated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The situation came to a head on Oct. 11, 1968, when a guard at Fort Scott shot and killed a 19-year-old soldier named Richard Bunch. Military authorities claimed that Bunch was disobeying orders, but Bunch’s fellow inmates saw his death as unjust and symbolic of the young lives being lost overseas. A few days after the shooting, 27 prisoners refused to report to work duty and staged a sit-in protest on the lawn outside the Stockade. They linked arms and sang “We Shall Overcome” while their commanding officers threatened them with mutiny, a charge punishable by death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972777\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1500px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972777\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1500\" height=\"1201\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos.jpg 1500w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos-800x641.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos-1020x817.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos-160x128.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1500px) 100vw, 1500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">On Oct. 14, 1968, 27 soldiers staged a sit-in outside the stockade to protest the shooting of their comrade, Richard Bunch. \u003ccite>(\u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968_-_Image_1.jpg\">Wikimedia Commons/U.S. Army Photos\u003c/a>)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Presidio Mutiny sparked a larger protest movement within the U.S. military against the Vietnam War, as director David Zeiger chronicles in \u003ca href=\"https://www.displacedfilms.com/films/sir-no-sir/\">his documentary, “Sir! No Sir!”\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.netflix.com/title/70043764\">(now streaming on Netflix).\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was a really important moment in that chapter of our history,” Thomson said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Inside the stockade — also closed to the public — the walls still hold the history of this moment. Above a cot in one of the solitary confinement cells, there’s a faintly scratched line of graffiti that reads, “Bunch was murdered.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Fort Scott today\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In its nearly century of operation, Fort Scott had a perfect record of keeping San Francisco safe from attacks from the sky and the sea — because there were none.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A lot of people will debate, was there no attack because it was so well-defended or were they never needed because we were never attacked? That’s up for historians to debate,” Thomson said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1988, Congress voted to end military operations at the Presidio. Six years later, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/prsf/index.htm\">the Presidio became a part of the National Park Service\u003c/a>, which, along with the Presidio Trust, still manages the site today. In fact, many prominent open spaces, including Estuary Park in Alameda and parts of the Marin Headlands, were once military sites.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The military, and the way that it organized and sequestered lands around the Bay Area, really is directly responsible for the public lands we now have available to us,” Thomson said. “When Army bases closed in the Bay Area, [they’ve] traditionally been handed over to public open space agencies.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Presidio Trust hopes to reopen the buildings at Fort Scott someday, but the right plan hasn’t come along. In 2018, it \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11663954/for-200m-you-can-change-the-world-at-the-presidios-fort-scott\">held a competition, inviting organizations to submit ideas\u003c/a> to revitalize Fort Scott. WeWork and OpenAI submitted a joint proposal, but the Trust rejected it, saying the companies didn’t share their humanitarian vision for the abandoned 30 acres. Ultimately, the competition didn’t go anywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For now, the Trust is keeping the roofs secure and the windows airtight so that the empty buildings don’t deteriorate too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re still taking good care of it,” Thomson said, “making sure it’s in good working order so that when we do have the resources, we can come back here and rehab these buildings.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Housing advocates would like to see some of the Fort Scott barracks converted into places for people to live, as has already been done with 1,500 units of former officer housing. Thomson says the idea is on the table, but the Trust hasn’t “gotten to that part in the planning yet.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, for now, Fort Scott remains a windswept place to admire the views while walking through a military past that helped shape San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousquestion]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Outside sounds of wind]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> Hey everyone, Olivia Allen-Price here. It’s a cold, but sunny Thursday afternoon, and Bay Curious producer Katrina Schwartz…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> Hello, that’s me!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> …And I are knocking around The Presidio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> That’s the roughly 2 square mile park at the northwest tip of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> So far we’ve seen the little yoda statue surrounded by the fountain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Kid yelling “Yoda!”]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> What do you think of yoda?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> It looks a lot like yoda. I wish I could rub his belly, but he’s too high up there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> The dramatic cliff side vistas overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> Wow!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> We’ve got it all! We’ve got the Golden Gate Bridge. We have the Marin headlands. We have Point Bonita Lighthouse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> Beautiful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene): \u003c/b>Now we’re a short walk from the bluffs, just over Lincoln Ave. And there are dozens of old military buildings. Beige exteriors, pretty large buildings, red roofs and we’re standing in the middle of a big field.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>And what’s odd is there are very few people around. It’s a little bit eerie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene): \u003c/b>Compared to where we were earlier, where all the buildings had been kind of fixed up, they were being used as businesses, these are empty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>This is the heart of Fort Scott, what once was part of the largest army post on the Pacific coast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene): \u003c/b>Over the years listeners have sent in a handful of questions about this place, and today we’re answering a few of them…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>Like what exactly is Fort Scott?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> What was life like here for soldiers?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>And why do these buildings remain closed up, when so many others in the Presidio have been put to modern use?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> That’s all just ahead on Bay Curious. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b> Fort Scott parade grounds is an often overlooked piece of the Presidio, despite being steps away from Golden Gate Bridge. KQED’s Bianca Taylor takes us there to answer some of your questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor:\u003c/b> One of the first things to know about Fort Scott is that its \u003ci>official\u003c/i> name is Fort \u003ci>Winfield\u003c/i> Scott.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson:\u003c/b> Winfield Scott was one of the most prominent U.S. Army officers of the 19th century. And he was the person that the Army named many, many things after all over the country, including this place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>That’s Rob Thomson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>I’m the Federal Preservation Officer for the Presidio Trust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The Presidio Trust is an independent federal agency which manages the majority of the buildings in the Presidio, including Fort Scott. Rob is giving me a tour, starting with the large grassy lawn that’s shaped like a horseshoe — called the parade ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>We’re surrounded by ten enlisted men’s barracks buildings, most of which are vacant right now. There’s also a spectacular view of the Golden Gate Bridge, which nobody knew was going to be there when all of these buildings were built.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>There are about 100 buildings that make up Fort Scott, including a gym, officers’ clubs, and even a notorious jail — but we’ll get to that in a little bit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today the site is mostly vacant — its buildings boarded up against the elements. But more than a century ago, Fort Scott was busy as the headquarters for the Army’s coastal defenses in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Music begins]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The military history of the Presidio dates back to the Spanish colonization of Ohlone land in the 1700s. With its isolated cliffs and expansive views of the Bay, this part of San Francisco was a strategic location for protecting California against attackers from the West. After the U.S. gained control of it in 1848, the Presidio became the largest Army post on the Pacific Coast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fort Scott was built several decades later in 1912. As many as 1200 enlisted men lived and worked here. Their main duty was operating the 17 artillery batteries that lined the coast, basically giant cannons that shot bombs into the sea to protect the Pacific coast from attacking ships. You may have even seen the remnants of these batteries on a hike.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>They’re these mysterious concrete structures that are out on the coastline that pepper our beaches and the surrounding bay. Those were state of the art defensive installations that were constructed beginning in the 1890s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Manning these batteries was a tough job. They had to be looked after around the clock, which meant men were marching three miles round trip to camp out on some of the coldest, windiest, and most exposed parts of the coast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Sound effects: “Sandby… fire”]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>The soldiers who had to be out there all the time and this is pretty well documented, didn’t have a great day to day life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Practice fire was conducted a few times a year, weather depending. Anyone who’s tried to plan a beach day on the Coast can relate to this article in the San Francisco Examiner from September 30, 1915:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Sounds of wind and a foghorn]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Voice over actor:\u003c/b> Foggy weather yesterday once more interfered with the artillery target practice at Fort Winfield Scott, and the mortar and 5-inch gun practice was put over until 10 o’clock this morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>It didn’t take many years though for advancements in warfare to render the coastal batteries at Fort Scott obsolete.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[ Sound of a plane flying overhead]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By World War Two, the advent of air power meant the real threat to San Francisco was coming from airplanes, not ships. In 1950, the Army terminated its Coast Artillery Division and the attention of Fort Scott turned to mapmaking, surveying, and anti-aircraft defenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>There is a Nike missile site here in the Presidio, along with perhaps a better known one over in the Marin headlands. And that was really the focus of defensive activity here, rather than coast artillery batteries any longer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Nike missiles, which look like high tech cousins of the coastal artillery batteries, were designed to shoot planes out of the sky. And they dominated the military landscape during the Cold War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you want to get a snapshot of what daily life looked like at Fort Scott, you don’t need to look any further than the attic of building 1216.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Sound of climbing stairs. “Oh my goodness!”]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>This is an area that we currently keep off limits even to the staff who work in this building, because we’re trying to preserve the murals that are painted on the walls here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Wow]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>In this attic-turned-classroom space, the long white walls are covered in painted murals that wrap around the room. The paintings depict everything from soldiers playing baseball on the parade field, to a gas mask training for chemical warfare.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>The story goes that a couple of the soldiers who had been drafted during the 1950s weren’t so happy about having wound up in Army life. But they did have a background in fine arts, and so their commanding officer invited them to spruce up the classroom with the murals that you now see around us.\u003cb> \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The main artist was a man named Perrin Gerber, who was a specialist third class at Fort Scott. He painted the murals in 1956 and 57. Rob says Gerber’s family has come to see the murals for themselves and pointed out personal touches.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>This image that’s painted on the inside of a locker on one of the murals is supposedly his girlfriend and future wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>But building 1216 isn’t the only structure at Fort Scott with a story to tell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor (in scene): \u003c/b>Is this the jail? Stockade?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>This is the Fort Scott Stockade also known as a jail, building 1213 It was built in 1912. This was the site of the famous Presidio Mutiny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>In 1968, the United States was locked in the midst of the Vietnam War. Protests were happening all over the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Archival tape: \u003c/b>Because I am sick of the racist war in Vietnam when we don’t have justice in the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>American soldiers were also protesting, including in the Presidio. The Fort Scott stockade was overcrowded with military personnel who had voiced anti-war sentiments and as conditions inside the jail got worse, tensions between guards and soldiers escalated. \u003cb> \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The situation came to an explosive head on October 11, 1968 when military police at Fort Scott killed a 19-year old prisoner named Richard Bunch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 2005 documentary, “Sir, No Sir” director David Zeiger interviewed some of the men who were there that day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>The guard shot him and killed him, you know, point blank. And his only crime is, not wanted to be there and, um, going AWOL. So we reacted, uh, viscerally and with anger and disgust and outrage. We tore that jail apart. Uh, we ripped the wires out of the walls, ripped the squawk box off the wall. \u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>After their initial anger, the soldiers got organized and decided to take a stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>We came to a decision that the best thing we could do was to have some kind of a demonstration. And it was at the roll call formation. We had a signal, and that was when we were supposed to break ranks. And we did. And then we walked over here and sat down.\u003cbr>\n\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>27 prisoners staged a sit-in protest at the stockade. They sang “We Shall Overcome” and read a list of demands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>At a certain point, the commandant came out and read us, uh, the Mutiny Act, and we just kept singing louder and kind of linked arms and sing and sing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The 27 protestors were all charged with mutiny, a crime punishable by death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>And we were scared, man. I’ll tell you, we were really scared.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Their actions drew support from around the nation, and the mutiny charges were eventually dropped.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>They were finally listening to us, man. That’s the first time I can ever remember anybody listening to us while I was in the military.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The impact of their protest went beyond the gates of Fort Scott.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>And it sparked a movement of protest within the U.S. military against the Vietnam War, which was a really important moment in that chapter of our history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>You can still see ghosts of the Presidio Mutiny today. If you look hard at the wall of one of the solitary confinement cells, you can read the words “Bunch was murdered” etched into the wall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Congress voted to end military operations at Fort Scott, and the entire Presidio, in 1988. Six years later, the region became a part of the National Park Service, which along with the Presidio Trust, still manages the site today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For nearly a century, Fort Scott had a perfect record of keeping San Francisco safe from attacks from the sky and the sea because there were none.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>And so a lot of people will debate, well, was there no attack because it was so well-defended or were they never needed because we were never attacked? And that’s up for, you know, historians to debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Standing on the Fort Scott Parade grounds now it’s so peaceful, with chirping birds and the Golden Gate bridge peeking out between the rooftops, that its tumultuous military past feels like a very long time ago. But as Rob points out, the military is largely responsible for a lot of what the Bay Area looks like now:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>When Army bases closed, they’ve in the Bay Area traditionally been handed over to public open space agencies. So if it weren’t for the military, we wouldn’t really have the same outdoor access and traditions that we have in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Other state parks that used to belong to the military include Estuary Park in Alameda and Fort Ord Dunes State Park in Monterey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As for plans to restore Fort Scott’s buildings for public use, that’s a long way off. Right now the empty buildings have been what Rob describes as “mothballed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>So we’ve invested a certain amount of money to make sure that the roofs are secure, that we’ve painted them, that the windows are watertight, and that they’re sitting here in a state that is somewhat arrested deterioration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The Presidio Trust held a competition in 2018, inviting organizations to submit their ideas of how they would revitalize Fort Scott. WeWork and OpenAI submitted a joint proposal, but the Trust rejected it. They said the companies didn’t share their humanitarian vision for the abandoned 30 acres and the competition didn’t go anywhere. Rob says even though the Trust has been focusing on other priorities in the 1500 acre Presidio…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>We haven’t turned our backs on Fort Scott by any means. We’re still taking good care of it, making sure it’s in good working order so that when we do have the resources and we have taken care of some other priorities, namely our infrastructure, we can come back here and rehab these buildings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>There are two residential neighborhoods in Fort Scott where people are currently living. These 1500 residential units are former apartments and homes of Army officers that were stationed here. This opens up the question of converting some of the \u003ci>other\u003c/i> buildings into housing in the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>You know, it’s possible that some of these barracks buildings could be converted into residential, but we haven’t gotten to that part in the planning yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>It may be some time before you can wander around the inside of Fort Scott, but it’s still a lovely place to visit, maybe have a picnic, or just walk through a little piece of Bay Area history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Outro music]\u003c/i>\u003ci>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/i>\u003cbr>\n\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b> That was KQED’s Bianca Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you love Bay Curious one small step you can take is subscribe or follow the show in your podcast listening app. It’s free, and is the best way to make sure you don’t miss an episode. Thanks!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Curious is made in San Francisco at member-supported KQED. Our show is produced by Katrina Schwartz, Christopher Beale and me, Olivia Allen-Price. Additional support from Jen Chien, Katie Sprenger, Cesar Saldana, Maha Sanad, Holly Kernan and the whole KQED Family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I hope you have a great week!\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wander onto the parade ground of Fort Scott, and one of the first questions that comes to mind is: “What is this place?” A large grassy field is bordered by tall beige buildings with red roofs. The place feels deserted, the windows boarded up but still preserved. It’s eerie to be in such a big open space with so few people around — just a few dog walkers and a cyclist or two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s particularly odd because Fort Scott is just steps away from epic views over the Golden Gate Bridge, a well-traveled cycling path, and one of the biggest thoroughfares running through the park. But none of that bustle seems to reach this collection of empty buildings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the years, our listeners have wondered what Fort Scott was used for, what life was like there, and why it remains closed up when so much of the Presidio has been put to modern use. To answer these questions, we took a trip to the edge of the city and back in time.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Defending the Pacific \u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972765\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972765\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Coastal-defense-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-in-the-Presidio-1939-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg\" alt=\"Outline of a man in old fashioned military uniform stands next to a cannon pointed a soupy mass of clouds.\" width=\"600\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Coastal-defense-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-in-the-Presidio-1939-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg 600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Coastal-defense-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-in-the-Presidio-1939-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY-160x128.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coastal defense gun at Fort Winfield Scott in the Presidio, 1939. \u003ccite>(Courtesy \u003ca href=\"https://digitalsf.org/islandora/object/islandora:131391\">San Francisco History Center\u003c/a>/San Francisco Public Library)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>San Francisco’s Presidio has a long military history, of which Fort Scott is just one part. In 1776, Spanish colonizers landed on Ohlone land and decided this northwest spit of land overlooking the narrow entrance to the Bay would be a strategic location for protecting the Pacific coast from attacking ships. Once the territory became part of the U.S. in 1848, the military continued fortifying the site.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fort Scott — whose official name is actually Fort \u003ci>Winfield \u003c/i>Scott, \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfield_Scott\">after one of the most prominent U.S. officers of the 19th century\u003c/a> — was built in 1912 to be the Army’s new Coast Artillery Headquarters. The soldiers stationed here defended the Pacific Coast from offshore attacks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC4303079219&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everything that the army needed to operate a post of about 1,000 to 1,200 people was here,” said Rob Thomson, federal preservation officer for the \u003ca href=\"https://presidio.gov/\">Presidio Trust\u003c/a>, an independent federal agency that manages the majority of the buildings in the Presidio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The center of the fort is a horseshoe-shaped lawn known as the parade ground. Ten barracks buildings surround the parade ground, each housing 105 soldiers. This is where soldiers would practice their drills, perform flag ceremonies and assemble for inspections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972766\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11972766 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott.jpg\" alt=\"Sepia colored photo shows a large barracks building with three straight rows of soldiers lined up in front. In the distance is water and hills.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"712\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott.jpg 1000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-800x570.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/circa-1912-barracks-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-160x114.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Coastal Artillery soldiers lined up in front of a barracks at Fort Winfield Scott, circa 1912. \u003ccite>(\u003ca href=\"https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp27.4791.jpg\">OpenSFHistory / wnp27.4791\u003c/a>)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“There’s also a spectacular view of the Golden Gate Bridge, which nobody knew was going to be there when all of these buildings were built,” Thomson said. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11749629/the-golden-gate-bridge-your-questions-answered?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=Bay%20Curious%20Newsletter&mc_key=00Q1Y00001pDwBAUA0\">The Golden Gate Bridge wasn’t finished until 1937.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Soldiers stationed at Fort Scott early in the 20th century had one main duty: man the 17 artillery batteries lining the coast. Remnants of these giant cannons that stuck out of the cliffside are still visible on coastal hikes through the Presidio. When they were first built in the 1890s, they were considered state-of-the-art defensive installations and nicknamed “Uncle Sam’s guardians.” But keeping the batteries in working order was a harsh job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972767\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972767\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033.jpg\" alt=\"Black and white photo of a large cannon placed on top of a hill and pointed out over a wall.\" width=\"1000\" height=\"679\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033.jpg 1000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033-800x543.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Fort-Scott-Presidio-opensfhistory_wnp71.20033-160x109.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gun #3 at Battery Godfrey in Fort Winfield Scott. Gun #2 is visible at right. \u003ccite>(\u003ca href=\"https://opensfhistory.org/Display/wnp71.20033.jpg\">OpenSFHistory / wnp71.20033\u003c/a>)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The soldiers who had to be out there all the time didn’t have a great day-to-day life,” Thomson said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Soldiers camped out on the windy, cold coastline in long, unpleasant shifts. The largest of the batteries needed 14 men to aim and load the guns, and the ammunition weighed up to 1,000 pounds. Test explosions were so loud they would damage the windows and doors of nearby residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972771\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972771\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/1942-Hidden-anti-aircraft-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-Presidio-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg\" alt=\"Sepia photo of three soldiers lifting a wooden hatch in a hill to reveal an anti-aircraft gun.\" width=\"600\" height=\"442\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/1942-Hidden-anti-aircraft-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-Presidio-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY.jpg 600w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/1942-Hidden-anti-aircraft-gun-at-Fort-Winfield-Scott-Presidio-SAN-FRANCISCO-HISTORY-CENTER-SAN-FRANCISCO-PUBLIC-LIBRARY-160x118.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hidden anti-aircraft gun at Fort Winfield Scott in San Francisco’s Presidio, circa 1942. \u003ccite>(Courtesy \u003ca href=\"https://digitalsf.org/islandora/object/islandora:131329\">San Francisco History Center\u003c/a>/San Francisco Public Library)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It didn’t take many years for advancements in warfare to render the coastal batteries at Fort Scott obsolete. The advent of air power meant that by the time World War II started, the real threat to San Francisco was from airplanes, not ships. In 1950, the Army terminated its Coast Artillery Division, and soldiers at Fort Scott were reassigned to mapmaking, surveying, and anti-aircraft defenses, most notably Nike missiles. It’s still possible to visit the \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nike+Missile+Site+SF-89L/@37.7920473,-122.4842431,15z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x8085871e6dfcf64f:0x83cb162384d3023f!8m2!3d37.7919456!4d-122.4740722!16s%2Fg%2F1tjdx3qq?entry=ttu\">Nike missile site\u003c/a> south of Fort Scott and the one in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nike+Missile+Site+SF-88L/@37.8192661,-122.543176,13.92z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x808585f1bb04a0f5:0x692d3b80397e8bd9!8m2!3d37.8271142!4d-122.5274177!16zL20vMDU3bF96?entry=ttu\">Marin Headlands\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Inside the buildings of Fort Scott\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Casual walkers through the Fort Scott complex often wonder why the buildings are sealed off. A primary reason is to preserve the remnants of life at the fort. Although not open to the public, the attic of Building 1216 is a perfect snapshot of daily life at Fort Scott during World War II. Murals wrap around the long white walls of this converted classroom, depicting everything from soldiers playing baseball on the parade field to gas mask training.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The story goes that a couple of the soldiers who had been drafted during the 1950s weren’t so happy about having wound up in Army life,” Thomson said. “But they did have a background in fine arts, and so their commanding officer invited them to spruce up the classroom with the murals that you now see around us.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972774\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972774\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg\" alt=\"A slightly chipped mural depicting a batter, catcher and umpire at home plate. Behind them loom two towers of the Golden Gate Bridge.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1440\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Baseball-mural-by-Perrin-Gerber-in-Building-1216-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Carefully preserved inside one of the Fort Scott buildings are murals of life at the base painted by Perrin Gerber, a soldier stationed there in the 1950s. \u003ccite>(Bianca Taylor/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The main artist was a soldier named Perrin Gerber, who painted the murals between 1956 and 1957.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gerber’s family visited Fort Scott to see the murals and identified the artist’s personal touches. For example, the image painted on the inside of a gym locker in one of the scenes shares a likeness with Gerber’s girlfriend and future wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972775\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1020px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972775\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg\" alt=\"Stylized painting of five soldiers hanging out in a locker room joking around.\" width=\"1020\" height=\"1360\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GF-mural-Perrin-Gerbers-supposed-girlfriend-on-locker-Bianca-Taylor_KQED-160x213.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1020px) 100vw, 1020px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">In this casual scene, Perrin Gerber’s family said they recognized the image of his then-girlfriend on the inside of the locker. \u003ccite>(Bianca Taylor/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>The Presidio Mutiny\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>A short walk away from Building 1216 is the Fort Scott Stockade, basically a military jail. This was the site of the infamous Presidio Mutiny of 1968.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fort Scott didn’t escape the cultural upheaval of the 1960s and the national conversation about whether the U.S. should be fighting the Vietnam War. Soldiers who voiced anti-war sentiments were sent to the Fort Scott stockade, which soon became overcrowded. As conditions inside the jail got worse, tensions between guards and soldiers escalated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The situation came to a head on Oct. 11, 1968, when a guard at Fort Scott shot and killed a 19-year-old soldier named Richard Bunch. Military authorities claimed that Bunch was disobeying orders, but Bunch’s fellow inmates saw his death as unjust and symbolic of the young lives being lost overseas. A few days after the shooting, 27 prisoners refused to report to work duty and staged a sit-in protest on the lawn outside the Stockade. They linked arms and sang “We Shall Overcome” while their commanding officers threatened them with mutiny, a charge punishable by death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11972777\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1500px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11972777\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1500\" height=\"1201\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos.jpg 1500w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos-800x641.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos-1020x817.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968-Wikimedia-Commons_U.S.-Army-Photos-160x128.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1500px) 100vw, 1500px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">On Oct. 14, 1968, 27 soldiers staged a sit-in outside the stockade to protest the shooting of their comrade, Richard Bunch. \u003ccite>(\u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Presidio_27_Sit-Down_14Oct1968_-_Image_1.jpg\">Wikimedia Commons/U.S. Army Photos\u003c/a>)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Presidio Mutiny sparked a larger protest movement within the U.S. military against the Vietnam War, as director David Zeiger chronicles in \u003ca href=\"https://www.displacedfilms.com/films/sir-no-sir/\">his documentary, “Sir! No Sir!”\u003c/a> \u003ca href=\"https://www.netflix.com/title/70043764\">(now streaming on Netflix).\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was a really important moment in that chapter of our history,” Thomson said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Inside the stockade — also closed to the public — the walls still hold the history of this moment. Above a cot in one of the solitary confinement cells, there’s a faintly scratched line of graffiti that reads, “Bunch was murdered.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Fort Scott today\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In its nearly century of operation, Fort Scott had a perfect record of keeping San Francisco safe from attacks from the sky and the sea — because there were none.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“A lot of people will debate, was there no attack because it was so well-defended or were they never needed because we were never attacked? That’s up for historians to debate,” Thomson said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 1988, Congress voted to end military operations at the Presidio. Six years later, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/prsf/index.htm\">the Presidio became a part of the National Park Service\u003c/a>, which, along with the Presidio Trust, still manages the site today. In fact, many prominent open spaces, including Estuary Park in Alameda and parts of the Marin Headlands, were once military sites.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The military, and the way that it organized and sequestered lands around the Bay Area, really is directly responsible for the public lands we now have available to us,” Thomson said. “When Army bases closed in the Bay Area, [they’ve] traditionally been handed over to public open space agencies.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Presidio Trust hopes to reopen the buildings at Fort Scott someday, but the right plan hasn’t come along. In 2018, it \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11663954/for-200m-you-can-change-the-world-at-the-presidios-fort-scott\">held a competition, inviting organizations to submit ideas\u003c/a> to revitalize Fort Scott. WeWork and OpenAI submitted a joint proposal, but the Trust rejected it, saying the companies didn’t share their humanitarian vision for the abandoned 30 acres. Ultimately, the competition didn’t go anywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For now, the Trust is keeping the roofs secure and the windows airtight so that the empty buildings don’t deteriorate too much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re still taking good care of it,” Thomson said, “making sure it’s in good working order so that when we do have the resources, we can come back here and rehab these buildings.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Housing advocates would like to see some of the Fort Scott barracks converted into places for people to live, as has already been done with 1,500 units of former officer housing. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Outside sounds of wind]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> Hey everyone, Olivia Allen-Price here. It’s a cold, but sunny Thursday afternoon, and Bay Curious producer Katrina Schwartz…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> Hello, that’s me!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> …And I are knocking around The Presidio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> That’s the roughly 2 square mile park at the northwest tip of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> So far we’ve seen the little yoda statue surrounded by the fountain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Kid yelling “Yoda!”]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> What do you think of yoda?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> It looks a lot like yoda. I wish I could rub his belly, but he’s too high up there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> The dramatic cliff side vistas overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> Wow!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> We’ve got it all! We’ve got the Golden Gate Bridge. We have the Marin headlands. We have Point Bonita Lighthouse.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene):\u003c/b> Beautiful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene): \u003c/b>Now we’re a short walk from the bluffs, just over Lincoln Ave. And there are dozens of old military buildings. Beige exteriors, pretty large buildings, red roofs and we’re standing in the middle of a big field.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>And what’s odd is there are very few people around. It’s a little bit eerie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene): \u003c/b>Compared to where we were earlier, where all the buildings had been kind of fixed up, they were being used as businesses, these are empty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>This is the heart of Fort Scott, what once was part of the largest army post on the Pacific coast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene): \u003c/b>Over the years listeners have sent in a handful of questions about this place, and today we’re answering a few of them…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>Like what exactly is Fort Scott?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> What was life like here for soldiers?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Katrina Schwartz (at scene): \u003c/b>And why do these buildings remain closed up, when so many others in the Presidio have been put to modern use?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price (at scene):\u003c/b> That’s all just ahead on Bay Curious. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b> Fort Scott parade grounds is an often overlooked piece of the Presidio, despite being steps away from Golden Gate Bridge. KQED’s Bianca Taylor takes us there to answer some of your questions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor:\u003c/b> One of the first things to know about Fort Scott is that its \u003ci>official\u003c/i> name is Fort \u003ci>Winfield\u003c/i> Scott.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson:\u003c/b> Winfield Scott was one of the most prominent U.S. Army officers of the 19th century. And he was the person that the Army named many, many things after all over the country, including this place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>That’s Rob Thomson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>I’m the Federal Preservation Officer for the Presidio Trust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The Presidio Trust is an independent federal agency which manages the majority of the buildings in the Presidio, including Fort Scott. Rob is giving me a tour, starting with the large grassy lawn that’s shaped like a horseshoe — called the parade ground.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>We’re surrounded by ten enlisted men’s barracks buildings, most of which are vacant right now. There’s also a spectacular view of the Golden Gate Bridge, which nobody knew was going to be there when all of these buildings were built.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>There are about 100 buildings that make up Fort Scott, including a gym, officers’ clubs, and even a notorious jail — but we’ll get to that in a little bit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today the site is mostly vacant — its buildings boarded up against the elements. But more than a century ago, Fort Scott was busy as the headquarters for the Army’s coastal defenses in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Music begins]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The military history of the Presidio dates back to the Spanish colonization of Ohlone land in the 1700s. With its isolated cliffs and expansive views of the Bay, this part of San Francisco was a strategic location for protecting California against attackers from the West. After the U.S. gained control of it in 1848, the Presidio became the largest Army post on the Pacific Coast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fort Scott was built several decades later in 1912. As many as 1200 enlisted men lived and worked here. Their main duty was operating the 17 artillery batteries that lined the coast, basically giant cannons that shot bombs into the sea to protect the Pacific coast from attacking ships. You may have even seen the remnants of these batteries on a hike.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>They’re these mysterious concrete structures that are out on the coastline that pepper our beaches and the surrounding bay. Those were state of the art defensive installations that were constructed beginning in the 1890s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Manning these batteries was a tough job. They had to be looked after around the clock, which meant men were marching three miles round trip to camp out on some of the coldest, windiest, and most exposed parts of the coast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Sound effects: “Sandby… fire”]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>The soldiers who had to be out there all the time and this is pretty well documented, didn’t have a great day to day life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Practice fire was conducted a few times a year, weather depending. Anyone who’s tried to plan a beach day on the Coast can relate to this article in the San Francisco Examiner from September 30, 1915:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Sounds of wind and a foghorn]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Voice over actor:\u003c/b> Foggy weather yesterday once more interfered with the artillery target practice at Fort Winfield Scott, and the mortar and 5-inch gun practice was put over until 10 o’clock this morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>It didn’t take many years though for advancements in warfare to render the coastal batteries at Fort Scott obsolete.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[ Sound of a plane flying overhead]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By World War Two, the advent of air power meant the real threat to San Francisco was coming from airplanes, not ships. In 1950, the Army terminated its Coast Artillery Division and the attention of Fort Scott turned to mapmaking, surveying, and anti-aircraft defenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>There is a Nike missile site here in the Presidio, along with perhaps a better known one over in the Marin headlands. And that was really the focus of defensive activity here, rather than coast artillery batteries any longer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Nike missiles, which look like high tech cousins of the coastal artillery batteries, were designed to shoot planes out of the sky. And they dominated the military landscape during the Cold War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you want to get a snapshot of what daily life looked like at Fort Scott, you don’t need to look any further than the attic of building 1216.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Sound of climbing stairs. “Oh my goodness!”]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>This is an area that we currently keep off limits even to the staff who work in this building, because we’re trying to preserve the murals that are painted on the walls here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Wow]\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>In this attic-turned-classroom space, the long white walls are covered in painted murals that wrap around the room. The paintings depict everything from soldiers playing baseball on the parade field, to a gas mask training for chemical warfare.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>The story goes that a couple of the soldiers who had been drafted during the 1950s weren’t so happy about having wound up in Army life. But they did have a background in fine arts, and so their commanding officer invited them to spruce up the classroom with the murals that you now see around us.\u003cb> \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The main artist was a man named Perrin Gerber, who was a specialist third class at Fort Scott. He painted the murals in 1956 and 57. Rob says Gerber’s family has come to see the murals for themselves and pointed out personal touches.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>This image that’s painted on the inside of a locker on one of the murals is supposedly his girlfriend and future wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>But building 1216 isn’t the only structure at Fort Scott with a story to tell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor (in scene): \u003c/b>Is this the jail? Stockade?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>This is the Fort Scott Stockade also known as a jail, building 1213 It was built in 1912. This was the site of the famous Presidio Mutiny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>In 1968, the United States was locked in the midst of the Vietnam War. Protests were happening all over the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Archival tape: \u003c/b>Because I am sick of the racist war in Vietnam when we don’t have justice in the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>American soldiers were also protesting, including in the Presidio. The Fort Scott stockade was overcrowded with military personnel who had voiced anti-war sentiments and as conditions inside the jail got worse, tensions between guards and soldiers escalated. \u003cb> \u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The situation came to an explosive head on October 11, 1968 when military police at Fort Scott killed a 19-year old prisoner named Richard Bunch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 2005 documentary, “Sir, No Sir” director David Zeiger interviewed some of the men who were there that day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>The guard shot him and killed him, you know, point blank. And his only crime is, not wanted to be there and, um, going AWOL. So we reacted, uh, viscerally and with anger and disgust and outrage. We tore that jail apart. Uh, we ripped the wires out of the walls, ripped the squawk box off the wall. \u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>After their initial anger, the soldiers got organized and decided to take a stand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>We came to a decision that the best thing we could do was to have some kind of a demonstration. And it was at the roll call formation. We had a signal, and that was when we were supposed to break ranks. And we did. And then we walked over here and sat down.\u003cbr>\n\u003cb>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/b>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>27 prisoners staged a sit-in protest at the stockade. They sang “We Shall Overcome” and read a list of demands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>At a certain point, the commandant came out and read us, uh, the Mutiny Act, and we just kept singing louder and kind of linked arms and sing and sing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The 27 protestors were all charged with mutiny, a crime punishable by death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>And we were scared, man. I’ll tell you, we were really scared.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Their actions drew support from around the nation, and the mutiny charges were eventually dropped.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“\u003cb>Sir, No Sir” Footage: \u003c/b>They were finally listening to us, man. That’s the first time I can ever remember anybody listening to us while I was in the military.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The impact of their protest went beyond the gates of Fort Scott.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>And it sparked a movement of protest within the U.S. military against the Vietnam War, which was a really important moment in that chapter of our history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>You can still see ghosts of the Presidio Mutiny today. If you look hard at the wall of one of the solitary confinement cells, you can read the words “Bunch was murdered” etched into the wall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Congress voted to end military operations at Fort Scott, and the entire Presidio, in 1988. Six years later, the region became a part of the National Park Service, which along with the Presidio Trust, still manages the site today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For nearly a century, Fort Scott had a perfect record of keeping San Francisco safe from attacks from the sky and the sea because there were none.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>And so a lot of people will debate, well, was there no attack because it was so well-defended or were they never needed because we were never attacked? And that’s up for, you know, historians to debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Standing on the Fort Scott Parade grounds now it’s so peaceful, with chirping birds and the Golden Gate bridge peeking out between the rooftops, that its tumultuous military past feels like a very long time ago. But as Rob points out, the military is largely responsible for a lot of what the Bay Area looks like now:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>When Army bases closed, they’ve in the Bay Area traditionally been handed over to public open space agencies. So if it weren’t for the military, we wouldn’t really have the same outdoor access and traditions that we have in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>Other state parks that used to belong to the military include Estuary Park in Alameda and Fort Ord Dunes State Park in Monterey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As for plans to restore Fort Scott’s buildings for public use, that’s a long way off. Right now the empty buildings have been what Rob describes as “mothballed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>So we’ve invested a certain amount of money to make sure that the roofs are secure, that we’ve painted them, that the windows are watertight, and that they’re sitting here in a state that is somewhat arrested deterioration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>The Presidio Trust held a competition in 2018, inviting organizations to submit their ideas of how they would revitalize Fort Scott. WeWork and OpenAI submitted a joint proposal, but the Trust rejected it. They said the companies didn’t share their humanitarian vision for the abandoned 30 acres and the competition didn’t go anywhere. Rob says even though the Trust has been focusing on other priorities in the 1500 acre Presidio…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>We haven’t turned our backs on Fort Scott by any means. We’re still taking good care of it, making sure it’s in good working order so that when we do have the resources and we have taken care of some other priorities, namely our infrastructure, we can come back here and rehab these buildings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>There are two residential neighborhoods in Fort Scott where people are currently living. These 1500 residential units are former apartments and homes of Army officers that were stationed here. This opens up the question of converting some of the \u003ci>other\u003c/i> buildings into housing in the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rob Thomson: \u003c/b>You know, it’s possible that some of these barracks buildings could be converted into residential, but we haven’t gotten to that part in the planning yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bianca Taylor: \u003c/b>It may be some time before you can wander around the inside of Fort Scott, but it’s still a lovely place to visit, maybe have a picnic, or just walk through a little piece of Bay Area history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>[Outro music]\u003c/i>\u003ci>\u003cbr>\n\u003c/i>\u003cbr>\n\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b> That was KQED’s Bianca Taylor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you love Bay Curious one small step you can take is subscribe or follow the show in your podcast listening app. It’s free, and is the best way to make sure you don’t miss an episode. 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"content": "\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_112022\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003ca href=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2013/09/20/what-project-should/crissyfield/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-112022\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-112022\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2013/09/CrissyField-300x168.jpg\" alt=\"What cultural development should go in Crissy Field? Simon Tunbridge/Flickr\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">What cultural development should go in Crissy Field? (Simon Tunbridge/Flickr)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When Sports Basement moves out of its Presidio location in the old commissary building across from Crissy Field, the highly-coveted waterfront spot will be open for development. Right now, there are three proposals – narrowed down from 16 originally – vying for the location.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201309190900\" target=\"_blank\">KQED's Forum\u003c/a> discussed the proposals on its show on Thursday, Sept. 19.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The area was not always in such high demand. \"Fifteen years ago, it was mostly old military buildings and parking lots,\" said John King, urban design critic with the \u003cem>San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, as the Presidio Parkway project is underway (it's slated for completion by 2015), the spot occupied by the commissary building will be the final piece of a revitalized waterfront. All that's left to do is decide what cultural institution would fit in the area. \u003ca href=\"http://www.presidio.gov/Pages/default.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">The Presidio Trust\u003c/a>, which manages the area, is considering the projects and will take public comment before making a decision this fall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, don't worry. 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The project, he said, will give visitors the chance to \"continue to be inspired and enjoy the beauty of the surroundings.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Moore listed a number of partners who have expressed interest in working with the Presidio Exchange, including National Geographic, California Academy of Sciences, the Aspen Institute, Walker Art Center, and Stanford’s Bill Lane Center for the American West.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.presidio.gov/about/Pages/commissary-the-presidio-exchange.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">Read the full project proposal\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong> Lucas Cultural Arts Museum\u003c/strong>: George Lucas, who already has experience in the Presidio developing the Letterman Digital Arts Center, spoke vehemently in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/arts/design/3-vie-to-build-culture-center-at-presidio.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0\">\u003cem>New York Times\u003c/em> \u003c/a>against the Presidio Trust dragging its feet and criticizing his taste in architecture. \"They hate us,\" Lucas is quoted as saying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Lucas has very specific proposal to showcase the art he has collected over the years,\" said King, which includes pieces from Norman Rockwell, Maxwell Parrish and more recent digital art. \"It's not only this incredible collection of American art,\" said David Perry, spokesperson for the Lucas Cultural Arts Museum, but will bring in traveling exhibits and rotate collections, as well has have educational programs. 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