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It was a little bit stuffed up, so it was like a little bit hard to understand them. And their voice is so cute. Yeah, and I thought, oh my gosh, how’s this gonna go? Like, how are we gonna do all of these? But honestly, I think once they got warmed up and their mom really made them feel comfortable, it was quite a sweet conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:05:15] What are you most proud of about me?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:05:19] That you knew when you were very young. You were only about four years old and you just kinda told me that you weren’t sure that you fit being either a boy or a girl, and you felt maybe like you were neither or both. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Erica Cruz Guevara and welcome to the Bay, local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:00:05] Your adorable beanie baby beanie hat is so cute with the little bouncy thing on top of your headphones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:13] This is my colleague Sasha Khokha. She’s the host of the California Report magazine, a weekly show bringing in-depth storytelling and documentaries about our beautiful state. And I really wanted to talk with Sasha, who’s been thinking a lot lately, about trans kids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:00:35] You know, I have a lot of amazing trans and non-binary kids in my life, and talking to those kids and talking to their families, I heard a lot of frustration that the media coverage of trans kids right now often doesn’t even include the voices of trans kids. And often flattens kids into just one dimension of their identity, which is their gender.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:03] For Sasha, these kids are so much more than that. They’re students, athletes, dancers, and siblings. And some are also thriving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:01:15] I think there’s a lot of power in hearing from parents, from grandparents, from elders who love and support transgender and non-binary kids so they can thrive, so they can find joy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:33] So Sasha and her colleagues spent months putting together this series called Love You for You. Conversations between trans kids and the people who love them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:01:47] Thanks for letting me be who I am.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:01:49] Yeah. And thank you for letting me be your parent and for letting me love you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:01:56] You’re welcome. (laughs)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:00] The series Love You for You features six conversations between trans and non-binary kids and their loved ones. And today we’re gonna talk with Sasha about being a fly on the wall to these conversations as the trans community is under attack. That’s coming up right after the break.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:32] We’re talking about your series for the California Report magazine. I wonder if you can actually just start by walking me through the the thinking behind your series, the why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:02:43] The thinking was there’s a lot out there about trans kids being in the crosshairs of the Trump administration right now. But I think what’s really missing are stories of what it looks like when kids have love and support from their families and because of that are insulated a little bit from what’s happening in the outside world. That’s not to say that backdrop doesn’t exist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:12] Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:03:13] But I think there’s a lot of power in hearing from parents, from grandparents, from elders who love and support transgender and nonbinary kids so they can thrive, so they can find joy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:31] And these were essentially sort of like StoryCorps style episodes where you’re not in it but you just hear these kids talking with these people who are important in their lives about who they are and why they love them and just these very sweet conversations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:03:50] Right, and that’s part of why we wanted to do these as conversations that could unfold naturally without me as the journalist coming to their house and sticking a microphone in their face and getting a sound bite or two from a kid. And we also really wanted to give these kids agency so they picked the adults or the other people they wanted to be in conversation with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:17] With can you explain the range of people that we hear from in this series?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:04:23] So we start off with an eight year old non-binary kid in conversation with their mom. I like took this sock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:04:31] I like to play soccer and read, and my family’s from Asia like Vietnam and Taiwan and my pronouns they them and I’m eight years old.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:04:43] And that was actually the first conversation we recorded. And it was kind of hard because the kid was really shy and was only eight and was a little bit soft spoken on the microphone. It was a little bit stuffed up, so it was like a little bit hard to understand them. And their voice is so cute. Yeah, and I thought, oh my gosh, how’s this gonna go? Like, how are we gonna do all of these? But honestly, I think once they got warmed up and their mom really made them feel comfortable, it was quite a sweet conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:05:15] What are you most proud of about me?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:05:19] That you knew when you were very young. You were only about four years old and you just kinda told me that you weren’t sure that you fit being either a boy or a girl, and you felt maybe like you were neither or both. And that was something for us to learn because we didn’t think kids that young knew that about themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:05:47] And especially about navigating pronouns with their Vietnamese and Taiwanese relatives because in some of their families’ home languages there are not gendered pronouns. And so it was just a really interesting conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mother \u003c/strong>[00:06:03] And so for them everybody’s a they or they mix they mix he’s and she’s a lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Child \u003c/strong>[00:06:09] Maybe like the future could just be like people accept they them or trans just as like would they accept she or he right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:06:28] In some cases the kids chose actually to bring in someone who was not blood related to them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hunter Stoval \u003c/strong>[00:06:33] Beyond you being my aunt, you’re one of my closest friends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:06:37] One of the conversations was with sixteen year old Hunter Stoval, who decided to talk with his special auntie, whose name’s Shirin Amini. She actually came out as a lesbian in the nineteen nineties, and the first person she came out to was Hunter’s mom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Shirin Amini \u003c/strong>[00:06:56] I think honestly, that your mom was the most supportive person in my life that was kind of a rock, like my rock of Gibraltar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:07:11] And so it was just a really lovely sort of full circle conversation and it got at some of the queer and trans history that these kids also wanted to know about from their elders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hunter Stoval \u003c/strong>[00:07:22] I think everyone should have a shrine in their life. Like an older role model who’s also your friend who you can tell anything and you know they won’t tell your parents unless you ask them to and call you when you need anything. And just having that mentor-friend combination is just so perfect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:07:47] The last two episodes are actually young people in conversation with transgender elders in their seventies who have seen the long arc of transgender history here in California and who have been through a lot and had a lot of wisdom to share with young people. And I think those are some of the most touching conversations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:15] I mean, were there any themes that really emerged from the conversations in this series?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:08:22] I mean, I think one of them is just intergenerational exchange.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:08:26] America teaches us not to really care about our old folks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:08:31] I’m thinking of a conversation with Andrea Horne, who is she says she’s a woman of a certain age. She didn’t want to give her age. But she is a transgender elder here in San Francisco. She came to San Francisco from LA when she was fifteen to get away from her very unsupportive family. She was an actress, a model, a performer. She hung out with Sylvester in the 70s. And now she’s a historian who’s writing a book called How Black Trans Women Changed the World.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:06] But before World War II, we were considered just part of the community. Mm-hmm. As long as you stay in your lane.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Zen Blossom \u003c/strong>[00:09:14] And what were those lanes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:15] The lanes were hairdresser.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Zen Blossom \u003c/strong>[00:09:17] Okay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:18] Sex work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Zen Blossom \u003c/strong>[00:09:19] Okay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Andrea Horne \u003c/strong>[00:09:20] Work in a bar of some sort. A show girl and housewife. But you know, that’s kinda that’s it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:09:29] And to see her in conversation with a younger black trans woman named Zen Blossom, talking about women from the 1800s, women from the early 1900s who lived their true authentic lives and passing down that wisdom was very intense, very moving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:09:51] Was there any moment that in any of these conversations that you sat in on that like surprised you?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:09:58] Yes, I am th I’m thinking of the ten year old transgender girl who came with her grandpa, who lives in a rural conservative county in Northern California, and her older sister who is sixteen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Older sister \u003c/strong>[00:10:16] Popo what do you hope that the future is like for trans kids and what do you plan on doing to support trans kids?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Grandpa \u003c/strong>[00:10:25] Oh, I support this one all the time. I’d do anything for her and she knows that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:10:31] She was so funny and vivacious and great. And again, I was worried, how’s a ten year old gonna do in this studio with all these microphones? And she’s an actor and she’s a performer. And at one point in the interview sh as we were wrapping up, she’s like, By the way, if there are any agents out there listening and you need somebody to cast\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Younger sister \u003c/strong>[00:10:51] If I really want to be a child actor, if there’s any agents listening, hello, I’m here. Hi. But another thing is I would love to like this, I love how I get to like share knowledge to other people that might not know about being trans or stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:11:12] And another thing she did that was really surprising is when she was asked, you know, what do you do when you get bullied, she actually just burst into song.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Younger sister \u003c/strong>[00:11:19] They’re just doing it because they’re insecure about yourself and they just want to tear you down even though you’re a confident, amazing person and they’re not. So just walk away and say I’m better than you and sing your way out. That’s what I do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha Khokha \u003c/strong>[00:11:39] So I guess what was most surprising to me was just how joyful and funny some of these kids were and their self-confidence. 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"content": "\u003cp>For Japanese Americans across California, Feb. 19 marks the Day of Remembrance, the solemn anniversary of the day in 1942 when President Franklin Roosevelt signed \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11802883/california-apologizes-but-scars-remain\">Executive Order 9066\u003c/a>, which led to the forced relocation and incarceration of more than 120,000 Japanese Americans in prison camps across the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the Japanese Americans who experienced imprisonment get older, a California project wants to preserve their memories of what happened, while it’s still possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.yonseimemoryproject.com/\">The Yonsei Memory Project\u003c/a>, based in Fresno, is an intergenerational effort to capture family stories of World War II and beyond — and the diversity of the Japanese American experience in the Central Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today, Gov. 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Both men were sent to incarceration camps as children during World War II. (Courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Lifelong friends Gary Tsudama, 95, and Yutaka Yamamoto, 88, on memories of the days after Japanese Americans were ordered to leave their homes:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gary\u003c/strong>: My dad came over from Hiroshima when he was 16 years old. He came into the city of Stockton and opened up a grocery store. When the war broke out, we were given the notice of one week to clean up our business, so my dad went around Stockton to find us some grocer who’d buy the stock that was in the store. He found a man to buy it for 60 cents on the dollar. My dad had to agree to it, and then he waited and waited for them to come pick it up. [The] day before we had to leave, he came and gave my dad 15 cents on the dollar. And my dad had no way to get out of it, so he took it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yutaka\u003c/strong>: At that time, nobody said we were Japanese. They used the nickname ‘Jap.’ That was one of the things that, to this day, I have never forgotten. It’s very painful to hear people call you a ‘Jap.’ I remember that was a big shock. I remember going to school. I was in the fourth grade then, and I told my teacher, who was a Caucasian, I wouldn’t be coming to school from tomorrow. And her only reply was, “Oh.” No, not goodbye or nothing.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Harumi Sasaki\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861187\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861187 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nadine Takeuchi with her mother Harumi Sasaki. Harumi was born in California, but her family returned to Japan during World War II, and witnessed the bombing of Hiroshima from the nearby countryside where they lived. (Courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Harumi Sasaki, 88, telling her daughter, Nadine Takeuchi, about watching the bombing of Hiroshima, from a cave in the mountains:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nadine\u003c/strong>: I know you were born in El Centro, California, but you never said what it was like. What did your parents do in El Centro?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Harumi\u003c/strong>: Picked strawberries. It was real hot. We played outside, and no shoes. [aside tag=\"internment,japanese-americans\" label=\"more coverage\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nadine\u003c/strong>: How old were you when you moved to Japan?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Harumi\u003c/strong>: 4 or 5 years old.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nadine\u003c/strong>: So as you were growing up, World War II was going on. [You were living in the countryside.] So what happened right before they dropped the bomb? Do you remember? Did you hear airplanes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Harumi\u003c/strong>: Everybody was scared and hiding [in the cave]. A little later, we couldn’t hear the noise. So we thought, oh, OK. And then, the bomb came out, boom!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nadine\u003c/strong>: You heard a big boom! Did you see it? What did it look like?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Harumi\u003c/strong>: Smoke, like a mushroom cloud. People are running into our village, little ones, adults, skin hanging, burned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nadine\u003c/strong>: [After the war] I remember you had a hard time getting back to California. Even though you were a United States citizen, and so was Dad. Why?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Harumi\u003c/strong>: Because they think we were a spy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nadine\u003c/strong>: Part of the reason was because Dad was in the camps and answered the questionnaire. He said he would not serve in the army and he would not be loyal to the United States because he was mad [about the treatment of Japanese Americans]. [ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>The Masumoto Family\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861049\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11861049\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-1832x1374.jpg 1832w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-1376x1032.jpg 1376w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-1044x783.jpg 1044w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-632x474.jpg 632w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut-536x402.jpg 536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/RS47226_IMG_4620-qut.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nikiko Masumoto (pictured right), with her grandmother Carol and younger brother Korio in 2020. Carol met their grandfather as a teenager in an incarceration camp in Gila River, Arizona. \u003ccite>(Courtey of the Masumoto Family)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Nikiko Masumoto, peach farmer, author, queer activist and co-founder of the Yonsei Memory Project:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nikiko\u003c/strong>: I’m Yonsei, which means fourth-generation Japanese American. My great grandparents immigrated from Japan. [We’re] this tipping point generation, because in most of our families, we’re the last generation to know personally the survivors of World War II and incarceration camps. Storytelling implores us to listen deeply. I think when we’re able to develop our skills of listening deeply, we can bear witness to each other’s pain and then, in turn, we can no longer become vectors of violence. We keep on trying to invite people in to listen. Because I think once someone’s story touches your heart, it transforms you in a way that you can no longer hate them. My wish is that we can continue to do those brave acts of deep listening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Carol Masumoto, Nikiko’s grandmother, on lessons for the next generation\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nikiko\u003c/strong>: What do you want me and my generation to remember about camp, and after camp?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Carol\u003c/strong>: It was a bad thing. My brother got wounded and died [in the war]. I mean, here we were in camp and then they died for our country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nikiko\u003c/strong>: Hopefully we’ll learn as a human population to be better to one another.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Carol\u003c/strong>: The younger generation is a lot more understanding, I noticed. Of course, there are more mixed-race people. You get a lot of good understanding, so we all get close to each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861090\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861090 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Marcy and David Mas Masumoto standing in a vineyard shortly after they became engaged in the early 80s (left) and in 2020 (right). \u003ccite>(Courtesy of the Masumoto Family)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Marcy and Mas Masumoto (Nikiko’s parents) on the challenges of navigating racism against Japanese Americans in Marcy’s German American family\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marcy\u003c/strong>: [My father’s] formative years were during World War II. He carried some very, very strong biases against Japanese, in particular, stemming from the war. The fact that you were Japanese American, he could not separate that. After about 30 years [of our marriage], on the outside, he seemed to be much more accepting. I’m not sure if actually he ever really was on the inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mas\u003c/strong>: I think he represented a lot of America, especially during the war, when ‘these people were aliens and foreigners.’ Suddenly we were the enemy, based on how you looked. That led up to internment and Japanese American relocation during World War II. Your understanding of that story, that legacy part of our family history, and that part of me — when you could grasp that, understand it, it was love.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Yuriko Uno Kaku\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861186\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861186 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yuriko Uno Kaku with her grandson, Karl Kaku, and granddaughter-in-law, Sasha Khokha. (Courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The California Report’s Sasha Khokha also participated in an interview with her own grandmother-in-law. \u003c/em>\u003cem>Yuriko Uno Kaku, 97, spoke with Khokha and Karl Kaku about living through the war in Japan as a Japanese American\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yuriko\u003c/strong>: I was born in Oakland, grew up in Alameda until I was 9 years old. My dad was a good painter, did lots of watercolor. He painted this picture of Lake Merritt in 1914. Back then, there were no homes on the hills, it was wide open space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861192\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861192 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-800x590.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"590\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-800x590.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-1020x752.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-160x118.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-1536x1132.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A watercolor painting of Oakland’s Lake Merritt, circa 1914, by Yuriko Uno Kaku’s father, Masamichi Uno. (Sasha Khoka/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha\u003c/strong>: Your family went back to live in Japan when you were 9, and when you were a young woman, the war broke out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yuriko\u003c/strong>: Born in the United States, [the Japanese government] thought we were the enemy. They came to check on us, the [Japanese equivalent of the] FBI. We just hid that we had anything to do with America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha\u003c/strong>: Did you stop speaking English during that time?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yuriko\u003c/strong>: Yes, we did.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha\u003c/strong>: At the same time that your family was trying to hide your Americanness in Tokyo, your family back here in California, incarcerated in the camps all around the country, were trying to prove their Americanness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yuriko\u003c/strong>: Yeah, my cousin \u003ca href=\"https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Edison_Uno/\">Edison Uno\u003c/a> did a big job with the Japanese American Citizens League [to help launch efforts to get reparations] for Japanese Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>For Japanese Americans across California, Feb. 19 marks the Day of Remembrance, the solemn anniversary of the day in 1942 when President Franklin Roosevelt signed \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11802883/california-apologizes-but-scars-remain\">Executive Order 9066\u003c/a>, which led to the forced relocation and incarceration of more than 120,000 Japanese Americans in prison camps across the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the Japanese Americans who experienced imprisonment get older, a California project wants to preserve their memories of what happened, while it’s still possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.yonseimemoryproject.com/\">The Yonsei Memory Project\u003c/a>, based in Fresno, is an intergenerational effort to capture family stories of World War II and beyond — and the diversity of the Japanese American experience in the Central Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today, Gov. Gavin Newsom \u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/02/19/governor-newsom-issues-proclamation-declaring-a-day-of-remembrance-japanese-american-evacuation-2/\">signed a proclamation\u003c/a> to make Feb. 19 an official Day of Remembrance, calling the executive order “a decision motivated by discrimination and xenophobia” and “a betrayal of our most sacred values as a nation that we must never repeat.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On this day in 2020, shortly before COVID-19 lockdowns began, Yonsei Memory Project organizers collaborated with \u003ca href=\"https://storycorps.org/\">StoryCorps\u003c/a> to record conversations between family members and friends across generations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>These interviews have been edited for brevity and clarity.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Gary Tsudama and Yutaka Yamamoto\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861094\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Gary-and-Yutaka.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861094 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Gary-and-Yutaka-800x503.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"503\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Gary-and-Yutaka-800x503.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Gary-and-Yutaka-1020x641.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Gary-and-Yutaka-160x101.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Gary-and-Yutaka-1536x966.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Gary-and-Yutaka.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yutaka Yamamoto (left) and Gary Tsudama (right) have been friends since 1951. Both men were sent to incarceration camps as children during World War II. (Courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Lifelong friends Gary Tsudama, 95, and Yutaka Yamamoto, 88, on memories of the days after Japanese Americans were ordered to leave their homes:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gary\u003c/strong>: My dad came over from Hiroshima when he was 16 years old. He came into the city of Stockton and opened up a grocery store. When the war broke out, we were given the notice of one week to clean up our business, so my dad went around Stockton to find us some grocer who’d buy the stock that was in the store. He found a man to buy it for 60 cents on the dollar. My dad had to agree to it, and then he waited and waited for them to come pick it up. [The] day before we had to leave, he came and gave my dad 15 cents on the dollar. And my dad had no way to get out of it, so he took it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yutaka\u003c/strong>: At that time, nobody said we were Japanese. They used the nickname ‘Jap.’ That was one of the things that, to this day, I have never forgotten. It’s very painful to hear people call you a ‘Jap.’ I remember that was a big shock. I remember going to school. I was in the fourth grade then, and I told my teacher, who was a Caucasian, I wouldn’t be coming to school from tomorrow. And her only reply was, “Oh.” No, not goodbye or nothing.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Harumi Sasaki\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861187\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861187 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Harumi-and-Nadine.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nadine Takeuchi with her mother Harumi Sasaki. Harumi was born in California, but her family returned to Japan during World War II, and witnessed the bombing of Hiroshima from the nearby countryside where they lived. (Courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Harumi Sasaki, 88, telling her daughter, Nadine Takeuchi, about watching the bombing of Hiroshima, from a cave in the mountains:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nadine\u003c/strong>: I know you were born in El Centro, California, but you never said what it was like. What did your parents do in El Centro?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Harumi\u003c/strong>: Picked strawberries. It was real hot. We played outside, and no shoes. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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Carol met their grandfather as a teenager in an incarceration camp in Gila River, Arizona. \u003ccite>(Courtey of the Masumoto Family)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Nikiko Masumoto, peach farmer, author, queer activist and co-founder of the Yonsei Memory Project:\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nikiko\u003c/strong>: I’m Yonsei, which means fourth-generation Japanese American. My great grandparents immigrated from Japan. [We’re] this tipping point generation, because in most of our families, we’re the last generation to know personally the survivors of World War II and incarceration camps. Storytelling implores us to listen deeply. I think when we’re able to develop our skills of listening deeply, we can bear witness to each other’s pain and then, in turn, we can no longer become vectors of violence. We keep on trying to invite people in to listen. Because I think once someone’s story touches your heart, it transforms you in a way that you can no longer hate them. My wish is that we can continue to do those brave acts of deep listening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Carol Masumoto, Nikiko’s grandmother, on lessons for the next generation\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nikiko\u003c/strong>: What do you want me and my generation to remember about camp, and after camp?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Carol\u003c/strong>: It was a bad thing. My brother got wounded and died [in the war]. I mean, here we were in camp and then they died for our country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Nikiko\u003c/strong>: Hopefully we’ll learn as a human population to be better to one another.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Carol\u003c/strong>: The younger generation is a lot more understanding, I noticed. Of course, there are more mixed-race people. You get a lot of good understanding, so we all get close to each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861090\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861090 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Mas-and-Marcy-Then-and-Now.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Marcy and David Mas Masumoto standing in a vineyard shortly after they became engaged in the early 80s (left) and in 2020 (right). \u003ccite>(Courtesy of the Masumoto Family)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Marcy and Mas Masumoto (Nikiko’s parents) on the challenges of navigating racism against Japanese Americans in Marcy’s German American family\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marcy\u003c/strong>: [My father’s] formative years were during World War II. He carried some very, very strong biases against Japanese, in particular, stemming from the war. The fact that you were Japanese American, he could not separate that. After about 30 years [of our marriage], on the outside, he seemed to be much more accepting. I’m not sure if actually he ever really was on the inside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mas\u003c/strong>: I think he represented a lot of America, especially during the war, when ‘these people were aliens and foreigners.’ Suddenly we were the enemy, based on how you looked. That led up to internment and Japanese American relocation during World War II. Your understanding of that story, that legacy part of our family history, and that part of me — when you could grasp that, understand it, it was love.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Yuriko Uno Kaku\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861186\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861186 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Kaku.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yuriko Uno Kaku with her grandson, Karl Kaku, and granddaughter-in-law, Sasha Khokha. (Courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The California Report’s Sasha Khokha also participated in an interview with her own grandmother-in-law. \u003c/em>\u003cem>Yuriko Uno Kaku, 97, spoke with Khokha and Karl Kaku about living through the war in Japan as a Japanese American\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yuriko\u003c/strong>: I was born in Oakland, grew up in Alameda until I was 9 years old. My dad was a good painter, did lots of watercolor. He painted this picture of Lake Merritt in 1914. Back then, there were no homes on the hills, it was wide open space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11861192\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11861192 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-800x590.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"590\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-800x590.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-1020x752.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-160x118.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting-1536x1132.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/02/Lake-Merritt-Painting.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A watercolor painting of Oakland’s Lake Merritt, circa 1914, by Yuriko Uno Kaku’s father, Masamichi Uno. (Sasha Khoka/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sasha\u003c/strong>: Your family went back to live in Japan when you were 9, and when you were a young woman, the war broke out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yuriko\u003c/strong>: Born in the United States, [the Japanese government] thought we were the enemy. They came to check on us, the [Japanese equivalent of the] FBI. 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"content": "\u003cp>Clara Jean Ester was a college student at Memphis State College in Tennessee when she bore witness to a series of pivotal moments in civil rights history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a junior, Ester joined the Memphis Sanitation Strike in 1968, alongside African American sanitation workers who were calling to demand better working conditions and higher wages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She was there at around that same time that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. gave his final speech. She was also there the next day when Dr. King was assassinated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At StoryCorps in Mobile, Alabama, earlier this month, Ester, now 72, remembers the last days of Dr. King’s life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On the night of April 3, Ester remembered packing into a crowded congregation at Bishop Charles Mason Temple in Memphis, where King delivered a sermon in support of the striking sanitation workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11855825\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2021/01/esternpr2_custom-b082b074e01f162cd85edc763e53166c7b430898-s300-c85.jpg\" alt=\"A young Clara Jean Ester graduated from Memphis State College, now known as the University of Memphis. Now, Ester is a retired organizer and Methodist deaconess in Mobile, Ala.\" width=\"300\" height=\"460\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11855825\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/01/esternpr2_custom-b082b074e01f162cd85edc763e53166c7b430898-s300-c85.jpg 300w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/01/esternpr2_custom-b082b074e01f162cd85edc763e53166c7b430898-s300-c85-160x245.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A young Clara Jean Ester graduated from Memphis State College, now known as the University of Memphis. Now, Ester is a retired organizer and Methodist deaconess in Mobile, Ala. \u003ccite>(Photo courtesy of Clara Jean Ester)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Finally Dr. King arrives, and he said, ‘When I entered into the city of Memphis, I was told about all of these threats. But none of that matters anymore ’cause I’ve been to the mountaintop,’ ” Ester said, paraphrasing \u003ca href=\"https://www.afscme.org/about/history/mlk/mountaintop\">his famous speech\u003c/a>. “He proceeds in saying, ‘If I don’t get there with you, I want you to know that we as a people will get to the Promised Land.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Clara Jean Ester \"]‘You think that’s gonna destroy his dream? Y’all are wrong. I think children years and years to come will continue to have his dream.’[/pullquote]The stormy weather added to an ominous scene, recalled Ester, who saw his final words as a prophecy of his own death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In the background of that speech you could hear the thunder and the lightning crashing,” she said. “It was a powerful moment because he did his own eulogy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The following day, Ester and a number of King supporters, gathered at the Lorraine Motel, where the civil rights leader was staying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Walking across the parking lot, I’m looking up at Dr. King leaning on the balcony, chatting with everybody down below,” said Ester. “All of a sudden what sounded like a truck backfiring goes off and I can hear people saying, ‘Get down, get down!’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But she didn’t take her eyes off of King, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m looking, still, at Dr. King being thrown back and I take off and I run up the steps. And when I get up to where he’s laying, I notice this pool of blood around his head,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"forum_2010101881651,news_11855799,arts_13891262\" label=\"Related Coverage\"]In that moment, kneeling over his body, Ester said King’s fateful words from the night before were echoing in her head: \u003cem>I may not get there with you. I may not get there with you.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After news of King’s assassination, she said hate “took over.” It stemmed, she said, from “white America [who] don’t want to see us with freedom, so you take out our leader, our king.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Every time I want to believe that Dr. King’s life changed everything — I’ve witnessed George Floyds and so many others that have lost their lives,” Ester said, referring to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/tags/862960939/george-floyd\">man fatally killed by Minneapolis police\u003c/a> last May.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, in contemplating what King’s legacy has meant after decades of violence against Black people, Clara said, “You think that’s gonna destroy his dream? Y’all are wrong. I think children years and years to come will continue to have his dream.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Audio produced for Morning Edition by Abe Selby. NPR’s Emma Bowman adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>StoryCorps is a national nonprofit that gives people the chance to interview friends and loved ones about their lives. These conversations are archived at the American Folklife Center at the Library of Congress, allowing participants to leave a legacy for future generations. Learn more, including how to interview someone in your life, at StoryCorps.org.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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