Campaign to Roll Back Proposition 47 Criminal Justice Reforms Could Head to Voters
California Lawmakers Look for Balance Amid Solutions to Stop Retail Theft
'I Don't Want to Go Back to the Ballot': Assembly Speaker Rivas Opposes Changes to Proposition 47
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Meet the Right-Leaning Candidates Vying to Replace Rob Bonta as California Attorney General
Proposition 20: Law and Order Proponents Soften Rhetoric to Pick Up Votes
California Voters Asked to Weigh Ballot Measures That Could Reverse Hard-Won Justice Reforms
Report: Ballot Measure Would Put Thousands Behind Bars, Harm Communities of Color
Proposition 47 Criminal Justice Reform Projected to Save State Over $122 Million
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The deadline for the group to submit the 546,651 signatures needed is April 23.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, lawmakers in Sacramento are pushing forward on legislation that Gov. Gavin Newsom and Democratic leaders say \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979533/i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-ballot-assembly-speaker-rivas-opposes-changes-to-proposition-47\">would solve the problems critics see with Proposition 47\u003c/a>, without a need to go back to voters. On Tuesday, Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas plans to introduce what he’s calling a “comprehensive, bipartisan legislative package,” to attack retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47 reduced charges for personal drug possession and for theft of anything worth less than $950 from a felony to a misdemeanor. It also required that the money the state saved from keeping people out of prison and jail, about $800 million so far, be invested in rehabilitation programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But critics blame Proposition 47 for a host of issues, from an increase in drug use and homelessness to what they say is a spike in shoplifting and retail theft, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975661/data-shows-no-huge-spike-in-shoplifting-since-passage-of-prop-47\">even though state data doesn’t fully support that claim\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975692/prop-47s-impact-on-californias-criminal-justice-system\">A KQED investigation\u003c/a> found no major increase in reported shoplifting or overall theft since the measure passed, though the crimes appear to be underreported — but the investigation did find a large drop in arrest rates for theft over the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=news_11975692 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/GettyImages-1363480595-1020x680.jpg']The proposed measure wouldn’t entirely repeal Proposition 47, but it would gut some of its key provisions, which were aimed at keeping lower level criminals and drug users out of jail and prison. The proposal would make it easier to charge repeat offenders with a felony and increase penalties for organized retail theft rings. It would also stiffen penalties for selling fentanyl and other “hard drugs” such as heroin, methamphetamines and cocaine. And it would mandate as much as a year in jail for possessing those same drugs — though the ballot measure also gives judges the option of diverting those accused of possession into drug treatment programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Backers have raised more than $7 million, mostly from large retailers like Walmart, which has donated $2.5 million, and Home Depot, which cut a $1 million check last month. And many prosecutors in California, who have long been critical of Proposition 47, helped write and are backing the ballot measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Campaign spokesperson Becky Warren said the measure has received “overwhelming” support from people across the political spectrum as they gather signatures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This bipartisan ballot measure is a commonsense approach that prioritizes improving community safety while balancing accountability for repeat retail theft offenders and drug traffickers, with meaningful treatment and rehabilitation for serious addicts who need support,” she said in a written statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But supporters of the original criminal justice reforms in Proposition 47 are pushing back. They’ve joined with progressive lawmakers to roll out \u003ca href=\"https://ellabakercenter.org/smartsolutionsca/\">a package of legislation\u003c/a> they say would help curb retail theft and address the fentanyl crisis, without altering Proposition 47. Among the proposals: legislation aimed at making it harder for people to sell stolen goods online, bills to increase diversion programs for people accused of theft, and measures to increase drug treatment opportunities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tinisch Hollins is executive director of Californians for Safety and Justice, the group that sponsored Proposition 47. She said the provisions in the potential November ballot measure have already been proven to fail — and that’s why voters embraced reform in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’ve tried tough on crime, right? … We have decades of proof that that doesn’t work,” she said. “The issue of organized retail theft is much too nuanced to just throw a blanket repeal for a proposition — not to mention the cost to the state and our communities if we go back to just criminalizing everyone and putting them in jail and prison for low-level offenses. It’s just the wrong approach.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hollins said her group broadly supports efforts in the Legislature to \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletter/retail-theft-california-crime-bill/\">tackle organized retail theft\u003c/a> and she added that laws to hold fentanyl dealers and thieves accountable already exist. She said it’s up to law enforcement to use the tools they already have, noting there’s been a huge decrease in arrest rates for theft over the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://lao.ca.gov/ballot/2023/230474.pdf\">An assessment by the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst Office (PDF)\u003c/a> found that the proposed ballot measure would result in California spending hundreds of millions of dollars more each year to incarcerate people in prison. The report said it would also cost counties tens of millions of dollars annually in jail, probation and court spending. Hollins questioned, with increased costs and the existing shortage of drug treatment programs, whether there would even be treatment available for people eligible for diversion under the proposed measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The ballot initiative doesn’t increase funding. In fact, if [Proposition] 47 is repealed, then we have hundreds of millions of dollars going back to the system instead of for these types of intervention,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47 supporters also recently filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission alleging that Congressman Kevin Kiley, an outspoken critic of Proposition 47, has illegally coordinated with the campaign committee collecting signatures — an allegation both Kiley and representatives for the ballot measure deny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The complaint was filed by attorney Ann Ravel, a former FEC chair, who said she got involved at the request of Californians for Safety and Justice, but that she is not being paid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24534243/21march2024kileycomplaint.pdf\">In her complaint (PDF)\u003c/a>, Ravel accuses Kiley of establishing and controlling the campaign committee that is backing the effort to overhaul Proposition 47, and alleges that control is illegal because the six- and seven-figure donations collected by that committee exceed the federal limits Kiley’s congressional campaign is subject to. \u003ca href=\"https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/contribution-limits/\">Under federal law\u003c/a>, a candidate may only solicit up to $3,300 per election from an individual donor and up to $5,000 a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Tinisch Hollins, executive director, Californians for Safety and Justice\"]‘We’ve tried tough on crime, right? … We have decades of proof that that doesn’t work.’[/pullquote]“He has raised an enormous amount of money that is a violation of campaign finance law,” Ravel said. “We are just asking them to investigate the violations.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ravel \u003ca href=\"https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24534244/ann-ravel-letter.pdf\">cites (PDF)\u003c/a> as proof Kiley’s long standing criticism of Proposition 47 and his involvement with the campaign, including email blasts and a website linked to his congressional campaign that asks people to sign the ballot measure petition. In one email, Ravel states, “he solicits funds for the ballot measure, to be made by check to ‘Kevin Kiley for Congress’ indicating that he has solicited earmarked contributions for the measure, using his committee as a conduit.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A spokesperson for Kiley called the allegations “frivolous and full of falsehoods,” adding that Kiley has “no official or unofficial position or control over the ballot measure committee,” and found out about its existence months after it was created.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Ms. Ravel has a history of filing these types of political complaints that go nowhere,” Kiley’s political consultant Dave Gilliard said in an email. “[Kiley] has not solicited donations to the ballot measure committee from anyone and has not spoken about the initiative with any of the donors named in the complaint.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilliard added that Kiley asked for donations to his congressional campaign to defray the cost of mailing petitions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are reporting the amounts spent on such mailings as an in-kind contribution to the committee, as required by law. The total value of that in-kind will probably end up being about 1% of the money raised by the committee,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Proposition 47 supporters and Democratic lawmakers are countering with a package of legislation aimed at addressing retail theft and the fentanyl crisis.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712610596,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":1358},"headData":{"title":"Campaign to Roll Back Proposition 47 Criminal Justice Reforms Could Head to Voters | KQED","description":"Proposition 47 supporters and Democratic lawmakers are countering with a package of legislation aimed at addressing retail theft and the fentanyl crisis.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Campaign to Roll Back Proposition 47 Criminal Justice Reforms Could Head to Voters","datePublished":"2024-04-08T11:00:01.000Z","dateModified":"2024-04-08T21:09:56.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-4[…]f-aaef00f5a073/27958eb5-a158-40ef-8b8f-b14c010508ae/audio.mp3","sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11982070/campaign-to-roll-back-prop-47-criminal-justice-reforms-could-head-to-voters","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A campaign by prosecutors and retailers to roll back parts of Proposition 47, California’s landmark 2014 criminal justice reform, could soon move forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Backers say they believe they have enough signatures to qualify for the November ballot. The deadline for the group to submit the 546,651 signatures needed is April 23.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, lawmakers in Sacramento are pushing forward on legislation that Gov. Gavin Newsom and Democratic leaders say \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979533/i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-ballot-assembly-speaker-rivas-opposes-changes-to-proposition-47\">would solve the problems critics see with Proposition 47\u003c/a>, without a need to go back to voters. On Tuesday, Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas plans to introduce what he’s calling a “comprehensive, bipartisan legislative package,” to attack retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47 reduced charges for personal drug possession and for theft of anything worth less than $950 from a felony to a misdemeanor. It also required that the money the state saved from keeping people out of prison and jail, about $800 million so far, be invested in rehabilitation programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But critics blame Proposition 47 for a host of issues, from an increase in drug use and homelessness to what they say is a spike in shoplifting and retail theft, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975661/data-shows-no-huge-spike-in-shoplifting-since-passage-of-prop-47\">even though state data doesn’t fully support that claim\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975692/prop-47s-impact-on-californias-criminal-justice-system\">A KQED investigation\u003c/a> found no major increase in reported shoplifting or overall theft since the measure passed, though the crimes appear to be underreported — but the investigation did find a large drop in arrest rates for theft over the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11975692","hero":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/GettyImages-1363480595-1020x680.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The proposed measure wouldn’t entirely repeal Proposition 47, but it would gut some of its key provisions, which were aimed at keeping lower level criminals and drug users out of jail and prison. The proposal would make it easier to charge repeat offenders with a felony and increase penalties for organized retail theft rings. It would also stiffen penalties for selling fentanyl and other “hard drugs” such as heroin, methamphetamines and cocaine. And it would mandate as much as a year in jail for possessing those same drugs — though the ballot measure also gives judges the option of diverting those accused of possession into drug treatment programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Backers have raised more than $7 million, mostly from large retailers like Walmart, which has donated $2.5 million, and Home Depot, which cut a $1 million check last month. And many prosecutors in California, who have long been critical of Proposition 47, helped write and are backing the ballot measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Campaign spokesperson Becky Warren said the measure has received “overwhelming” support from people across the political spectrum as they gather signatures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This bipartisan ballot measure is a commonsense approach that prioritizes improving community safety while balancing accountability for repeat retail theft offenders and drug traffickers, with meaningful treatment and rehabilitation for serious addicts who need support,” she said in a written statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But supporters of the original criminal justice reforms in Proposition 47 are pushing back. They’ve joined with progressive lawmakers to roll out \u003ca href=\"https://ellabakercenter.org/smartsolutionsca/\">a package of legislation\u003c/a> they say would help curb retail theft and address the fentanyl crisis, without altering Proposition 47. Among the proposals: legislation aimed at making it harder for people to sell stolen goods online, bills to increase diversion programs for people accused of theft, and measures to increase drug treatment opportunities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tinisch Hollins is executive director of Californians for Safety and Justice, the group that sponsored Proposition 47. She said the provisions in the potential November ballot measure have already been proven to fail — and that’s why voters embraced reform in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’ve tried tough on crime, right? … We have decades of proof that that doesn’t work,” she said. “The issue of organized retail theft is much too nuanced to just throw a blanket repeal for a proposition — not to mention the cost to the state and our communities if we go back to just criminalizing everyone and putting them in jail and prison for low-level offenses. It’s just the wrong approach.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hollins said her group broadly supports efforts in the Legislature to \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletter/retail-theft-california-crime-bill/\">tackle organized retail theft\u003c/a> and she added that laws to hold fentanyl dealers and thieves accountable already exist. She said it’s up to law enforcement to use the tools they already have, noting there’s been a huge decrease in arrest rates for theft over the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://lao.ca.gov/ballot/2023/230474.pdf\">An assessment by the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst Office (PDF)\u003c/a> found that the proposed ballot measure would result in California spending hundreds of millions of dollars more each year to incarcerate people in prison. The report said it would also cost counties tens of millions of dollars annually in jail, probation and court spending. Hollins questioned, with increased costs and the existing shortage of drug treatment programs, whether there would even be treatment available for people eligible for diversion under the proposed measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The ballot initiative doesn’t increase funding. In fact, if [Proposition] 47 is repealed, then we have hundreds of millions of dollars going back to the system instead of for these types of intervention,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47 supporters also recently filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission alleging that Congressman Kevin Kiley, an outspoken critic of Proposition 47, has illegally coordinated with the campaign committee collecting signatures — an allegation both Kiley and representatives for the ballot measure deny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The complaint was filed by attorney Ann Ravel, a former FEC chair, who said she got involved at the request of Californians for Safety and Justice, but that she is not being paid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24534243/21march2024kileycomplaint.pdf\">In her complaint (PDF)\u003c/a>, Ravel accuses Kiley of establishing and controlling the campaign committee that is backing the effort to overhaul Proposition 47, and alleges that control is illegal because the six- and seven-figure donations collected by that committee exceed the federal limits Kiley’s congressional campaign is subject to. \u003ca href=\"https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/candidate-taking-receipts/contribution-limits/\">Under federal law\u003c/a>, a candidate may only solicit up to $3,300 per election from an individual donor and up to $5,000 a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘We’ve tried tough on crime, right? … We have decades of proof that that doesn’t work.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Tinisch Hollins, executive director, Californians for Safety and Justice","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“He has raised an enormous amount of money that is a violation of campaign finance law,” Ravel said. “We are just asking them to investigate the violations.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ravel \u003ca href=\"https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24534244/ann-ravel-letter.pdf\">cites (PDF)\u003c/a> as proof Kiley’s long standing criticism of Proposition 47 and his involvement with the campaign, including email blasts and a website linked to his congressional campaign that asks people to sign the ballot measure petition. In one email, Ravel states, “he solicits funds for the ballot measure, to be made by check to ‘Kevin Kiley for Congress’ indicating that he has solicited earmarked contributions for the measure, using his committee as a conduit.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A spokesperson for Kiley called the allegations “frivolous and full of falsehoods,” adding that Kiley has “no official or unofficial position or control over the ballot measure committee,” and found out about its existence months after it was created.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Ms. Ravel has a history of filing these types of political complaints that go nowhere,” Kiley’s political consultant Dave Gilliard said in an email. “[Kiley] has not solicited donations to the ballot measure committee from anyone and has not spoken about the initiative with any of the donors named in the complaint.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gilliard added that Kiley asked for donations to his congressional campaign to defray the cost of mailing petitions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are reporting the amounts spent on such mailings as an in-kind contribution to the committee, as required by law. The total value of that in-kind will probably end up being about 1% of the money raised by the committee,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982070/campaign-to-roll-back-prop-47-criminal-justice-reforms-could-head-to-voters","authors":["3239"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_17725","news_27626","news_27947","news_17968","news_18502","news_30045"],"featImg":"news_11961454","label":"news"},"news_11980483":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11980483","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11980483","score":null,"sort":[1711141219000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-lawmakers-look-for-balance-amid-solutions-to-stop-retail-theft","title":"California Lawmakers Look for Balance Amid Solutions to Stop Retail Theft","publishDate":1711141219,"format":"standard","headTitle":"California Lawmakers Look for Balance Amid Solutions to Stop Retail Theft | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Facing mounting pressure to crack down on a retail theft crisis, California lawmakers are split on how best to tackle the problem that some say has caused major store closures and products like deodorants to be locked behind plexiglass.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Top Democratic leaders have already ruled out reforming progressive policies like Proposition 47, a ballot measure approved by 60% of state voters in 2014 that reduced certain theft and drug possession offenses from felonies to misdemeanors to address overcrowding jails. But a growing number of law enforcement officials, along with Republican and moderate Democratic lawmakers, said California needs to consider all options, including rolling back the measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While shoplifting has been a growing problem, large-scale thefts, in which groups of individuals brazenly rush into stores and take goods in plain sight, have become a crisis in California and elsewhere in recent years. California Retailers Association said it’s challenging to quantify the issue in California because many stores don’t share their data.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Urban areas and big cities like the Bay Area and Los Angeles saw a steady increase in shoplifting between 2021 and 2022, according to a study of the latest crime data by The Public Policy Institute of California. Across the state, shoplifting rates rose during the same period but were still lower than the pre-pandemic levels in 2019. The study said commercial burglaries and robberies have become more prevalent in urban counties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, a champion of Proposition 47 who has repeatedly \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/business-california-theft-8dec92007049f1fa41f9e280882bcef6\">argued California already has tools\u003c/a> to go after criminals sufficiently, rejected calls to reform the measure in January. He instead urged lawmakers to bolster existing laws and go after motor vehicle thefts and resellers of stolen merchandise. California is also \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/california-smash-grab-robberies-grants-police-0172b4e64ed9d748a6fced4316f4121d\">spending $267 million\u003c/a> to help dozens of local law enforcement agencies increase patrols, buy surveillance equipment and conduct other activities to crack down on retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Gov. Gavin Newsom\"]‘Not to say everything about Prop. 47 is hunky-dory and perfect. We want to help fix some of the ambiguities there, but we could do it without reforming or going back to the voters.’[/pullquote]“Not to say everything about Prop. 47 is hunky-dory and perfect,” Newsom said in January. “We want to help fix some of the ambiguities there, but we could do it without reforming or going back to the voters.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California voters approved Proposition 47 in 2014 to help California comply with a 2011 California Supreme Court order, which upheld that California’s overcrowded prisons violated incarcerated individuals’ Eighth Amendment rights against cruel and unusual punishment. The proposition modified but did not eliminate sentencing for many drug and nonviolent property crimes, including thefts under $950.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Funding saved from having fewer people in jails and prisons, totaling $113 million this fiscal year, has gone to local programs to fight recidivism with some successes, state officials and advocates said. But the proposition has made it harder to prosecute shoplifters and enabled brazen crime rings, law enforcement officials said. An effort to reform the measure failed in 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"Related Stories\" postID=\"news_11975692,news_11979533,news_10743111\"]Following Newsom’s directions, Democratic leaders in both chambers at the Capitol also have shut down calls to repeal the measure. Last month, the state’s new Senate President Pro Tempore Mike McGuire, with bipartisan support, introduced a package of legislation that would target auto thefts and large-scale resell schemes and expand diversion programs such as drug courts and treatment services. Under the proposal, online marketplaces would also be required to crack down on users reselling stolen goods on their platforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I do not believe that this state needs to touch Prop. 47 to be able to help make our communities safer, full stop,” McGuire said during a news conference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979533/i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-ballot-assembly-speaker-rivas-opposes-changes-to-proposition-47\">who has said he also doesn’t want to repeal Proposition 47\u003c/a>, co-authored similar legislation aimed at repeat thieves and online resellers. It would allow law enforcement to “stack” the value of goods stolen from different victims to impose harsher penalties and arrest people for shoplifting using video footage or witness statements. The measure also would mandate online sellers to maintain records proving the merchandise wasn’t stolen and require some retail businesses to report stolen goods data.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But some Democratic lawmakers said those efforts won’t be enough to make a difference. Assemblymember James Ramos, who authored bipartisan legislation to increase penalties for repeat shoplifters, said many lawmakers want to see “the pendulum swing back to the middle.” The bill would require voters’ approval.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Assemblymember James Ramos\"]‘Prop. 47 needs to have some type of resetting. We have the opportunity now to start that dialogue.’[/pullquote]“Prop. 47 needs to have some type of resetting,” Ramos said. “We have the opportunity now to start that dialogue.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Assemblymember Kevin McCarty, chair of the Assembly Public Safety Committee, said he also is exploring options, including putting something on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everything is on the table,” McCarty said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, major retail groups and the California District Attorney Association, along with the Democratic mayors of San Francisco and San José, have thrown their support behind a ballot initiative to stiffen penalties for repeat thieves, among other things. The groups are still collecting signatures to qualify for the November ballot before the April deadline.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"California lawmakers are split on how to best address the proliferation of retail theft cases in the state, which has led to major store closures.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1711143370,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":929},"headData":{"title":"California Lawmakers Look for Balance Amid Solutions to Stop Retail Theft | KQED","description":"California lawmakers are split on how to best address the proliferation of retail theft cases in the state, which has led to major store closures.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California Lawmakers Look for Balance Amid Solutions to Stop Retail Theft","datePublished":"2024-03-22T21:00:19.000Z","dateModified":"2024-03-22T21:36:10.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Tran Nguyen\u003cbr>Associated Press","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11980483/california-lawmakers-look-for-balance-amid-solutions-to-stop-retail-theft","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Facing mounting pressure to crack down on a retail theft crisis, California lawmakers are split on how best to tackle the problem that some say has caused major store closures and products like deodorants to be locked behind plexiglass.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Top Democratic leaders have already ruled out reforming progressive policies like Proposition 47, a ballot measure approved by 60% of state voters in 2014 that reduced certain theft and drug possession offenses from felonies to misdemeanors to address overcrowding jails. But a growing number of law enforcement officials, along with Republican and moderate Democratic lawmakers, said California needs to consider all options, including rolling back the measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While shoplifting has been a growing problem, large-scale thefts, in which groups of individuals brazenly rush into stores and take goods in plain sight, have become a crisis in California and elsewhere in recent years. California Retailers Association said it’s challenging to quantify the issue in California because many stores don’t share their data.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Urban areas and big cities like the Bay Area and Los Angeles saw a steady increase in shoplifting between 2021 and 2022, according to a study of the latest crime data by The Public Policy Institute of California. Across the state, shoplifting rates rose during the same period but were still lower than the pre-pandemic levels in 2019. The study said commercial burglaries and robberies have become more prevalent in urban counties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, a champion of Proposition 47 who has repeatedly \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/business-california-theft-8dec92007049f1fa41f9e280882bcef6\">argued California already has tools\u003c/a> to go after criminals sufficiently, rejected calls to reform the measure in January. He instead urged lawmakers to bolster existing laws and go after motor vehicle thefts and resellers of stolen merchandise. California is also \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/california-smash-grab-robberies-grants-police-0172b4e64ed9d748a6fced4316f4121d\">spending $267 million\u003c/a> to help dozens of local law enforcement agencies increase patrols, buy surveillance equipment and conduct other activities to crack down on retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘Not to say everything about Prop. 47 is hunky-dory and perfect. We want to help fix some of the ambiguities there, but we could do it without reforming or going back to the voters.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Gov. Gavin Newsom","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Not to say everything about Prop. 47 is hunky-dory and perfect,” Newsom said in January. “We want to help fix some of the ambiguities there, but we could do it without reforming or going back to the voters.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California voters approved Proposition 47 in 2014 to help California comply with a 2011 California Supreme Court order, which upheld that California’s overcrowded prisons violated incarcerated individuals’ Eighth Amendment rights against cruel and unusual punishment. The proposition modified but did not eliminate sentencing for many drug and nonviolent property crimes, including thefts under $950.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Funding saved from having fewer people in jails and prisons, totaling $113 million this fiscal year, has gone to local programs to fight recidivism with some successes, state officials and advocates said. But the proposition has made it harder to prosecute shoplifters and enabled brazen crime rings, law enforcement officials said. An effort to reform the measure failed in 2020.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Related Stories ","postid":"news_11975692,news_11979533,news_10743111"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Following Newsom’s directions, Democratic leaders in both chambers at the Capitol also have shut down calls to repeal the measure. Last month, the state’s new Senate President Pro Tempore Mike McGuire, with bipartisan support, introduced a package of legislation that would target auto thefts and large-scale resell schemes and expand diversion programs such as drug courts and treatment services. Under the proposal, online marketplaces would also be required to crack down on users reselling stolen goods on their platforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I do not believe that this state needs to touch Prop. 47 to be able to help make our communities safer, full stop,” McGuire said during a news conference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979533/i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-ballot-assembly-speaker-rivas-opposes-changes-to-proposition-47\">who has said he also doesn’t want to repeal Proposition 47\u003c/a>, co-authored similar legislation aimed at repeat thieves and online resellers. It would allow law enforcement to “stack” the value of goods stolen from different victims to impose harsher penalties and arrest people for shoplifting using video footage or witness statements. The measure also would mandate online sellers to maintain records proving the merchandise wasn’t stolen and require some retail businesses to report stolen goods data.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But some Democratic lawmakers said those efforts won’t be enough to make a difference. Assemblymember James Ramos, who authored bipartisan legislation to increase penalties for repeat shoplifters, said many lawmakers want to see “the pendulum swing back to the middle.” The bill would require voters’ approval.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘Prop. 47 needs to have some type of resetting. We have the opportunity now to start that dialogue.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Assemblymember James Ramos","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Prop. 47 needs to have some type of resetting,” Ramos said. “We have the opportunity now to start that dialogue.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Assemblymember Kevin McCarty, chair of the Assembly Public Safety Committee, said he also is exploring options, including putting something on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everything is on the table,” McCarty said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, major retail groups and the California District Attorney Association, along with the Democratic mayors of San Francisco and San José, have thrown their support behind a ballot initiative to stiffen penalties for repeat thieves, among other things. The groups are still collecting signatures to qualify for the November ballot before the April deadline.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11980483/california-lawmakers-look-for-balance-amid-solutions-to-stop-retail-theft","authors":["byline_news_11980483"],"categories":["news_31795","news_8"],"tags":["news_17626","news_25015","news_18502","news_30045"],"featImg":"news_11980490","label":"news"},"news_11979533":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11979533","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11979533","score":null,"sort":[1710500433000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-ballot-assembly-speaker-rivas-opposes-changes-to-proposition-47","title":"'I Don't Want to Go Back to the Ballot': Assembly Speaker Rivas Opposes Changes to Proposition 47","publishDate":1710500433,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘I Don’t Want to Go Back to the Ballot’: Assembly Speaker Rivas Opposes Changes to Proposition 47 | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>California Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas (D-Salinas) on Thursday said he didn’t want to ask voters to reverse parts of Proposition 47, the state’s controversial criminal justice reform law that some critics blame for increases in rates of shoplifting and organized retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t want to go back to the ballot,” Rivas said on KQED’s Political Breakdown. “I don’t think we need to repeal Prop. 47.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rivas joins the two other most powerful Democrats in Sacramento — Gov. Gavin Newsom and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article285940321.html\">Senate President Pro Tem Mike McGuire\u003c/a> — who previously stated their opposition to bringing the question back to voters. Rivas, McGuire and Newsom all say the state can tackle retail theft issues through the legislative process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Catch up fast: \u003c/strong>California voters passed Proposition 47 in 2014, as the state faced a U.S. Supreme Court order to reduce its prison population and as public opinion swung away from tough-on-crime laws that dominated criminal justice in previous decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure lowered simple possession of illegal drugs from a felony to a misdemeanor and raised the felony threshold for theft from $400 to $950.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"California Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas (D-Salinas)\"]‘When you talk about Prop. 47, the important criminal justice reforms we have taken in this state — for me personally, there’s no going backwards.’[/pullquote]The thinking behind the ballot measure, which passed with nearly 60% support, was that expensive jail and prison beds should be reserved for people who pose a threat of violence and are not an appropriate place for drug addicts and minor thieves. It was crafted so that the state would have to reinvest the cost savings from fewer people in jails and prisons into treatment programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47 has saved the state more than $800 million by keeping people out of jails and prisons — $113 million this fiscal year alone, according to the governor’s Department of Finance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement leaders have always opposed the law and, in recent years, have blamed the measure for increasingly visible retail theft problems in California, ranging from repeat offenders who shoplift small amounts to organized retail crime rings that steal merchandise to resell it. The brazenness of these crimes, which are often caught on video, has increased political pressure on Democrats in Sacramento to act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975692/prop-47s-impact-on-californias-criminal-justice-system\">KQED analysis of Proposition 47 found \u003c/a>that law enforcement has been less aggressive in recent years in arresting low-level shoplifters and that Proposition 47 is often blamed for crimes that it doesn’t directly affect, such as large-scale organized retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why it matters: \u003c/strong>Rivas’ comments could rankle some members of his caucus who are clamoring to change Proposition 47 on the ballot. Six Assembly Democrats have \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB1772\">signed on to a bipartisan bill\u003c/a> that would ask voters to approve additional jail time for people convicted of theft who have two or more prior shoplifting offenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=news_11975692 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/GettyImages-1363480595-1020x680.jpg']And Kevin McCarty, chair of the Assembly Public Safety committee and a key Rivas ally has refused to close the door on changes to Proposition 47.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re not picking and choosing which ideas are moving forward yet,” McCarty said at a February press conference. “Everything is on the table.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What comes next could be a key test for Rivas’ promises of an egalitarian speakership, in which more bills will be given the opportunity of a public hearing. How far will Rivas allow proposals to advance that he personally opposes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What they’re saying: \u003c/strong> Rivas and Assembly Democrats \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletter/retail-theft-california-crime-bill/\">rolled out a bill\u003c/a> in February to tackle organized retail theft. While many other proposals focus on increasing criminal penalties for shoplifting, Rivas said the Assembly legislation targets a different key player: The online marketplaces where stolen goods are often resold.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s an undeniable connection when it comes to the proliferation of organized retail theft and the ease in selling stolen goods on these online marketplaces and e-commerce platforms,” he told Political Breakdown. “And so expecting more transparency and accountability from them needs to be part of the solution. They have to do much more to prevent the sale of stolen goods.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would, among other things, require online sellers to maintain records showing that goods were legally obtained.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rivas said, in general, he remains committed to criminal justice reform and the strides the state has made in that direction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What we’re watching\u003c/strong>: Bills to push Proposition 47 changes onto the ballot could receive hearings in the coming weeks — along with other proposals that aim to reduce shoplifting without going to the voters. Those changes, backed by Newsom, include proposals that would make it easier for law enforcement and prosecutors to arrest and charge shoplifters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, groups representing retailers and prosecutors are collecting signatures to qualify a ballot measure to create new felonies for repeated theft. Rivas said Thursday he remains confident that a compromise can be achieved to avoid a bruising ballot fight this November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I prefer the legislative process because it allows us to engage all stakeholders and refine any bill throughout that process,” Rivas said. “When you talk about Prop. 47, the important criminal justice reforms we have taken in this state — for me personally, there’s no going backwards.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Listen up:\u003c/strong> Check out \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979435/how-assembly-speaker-rivas-rural-farmworker-background-affects-his-leadership-style\">the full episode of Political Breakdown\u003c/a>, on which Rivas talked to Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer about his first year as Assembly speaker, the state budget, and how he has dealt with a stutter throughout his life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Asked about changes to controversial criminal justice reforms, the top Democrats told KQED’s Political Breakdown they don't think Proposition 47 should be repealed.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1710524108,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":976},"headData":{"title":"'I Don't Want to Go Back to the Ballot': Assembly Speaker Rivas Opposes Changes to Proposition 47 | KQED","description":"Asked about changes to controversial criminal justice reforms, the top Democrats told KQED’s Political Breakdown they don't think Proposition 47 should be repealed.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"'I Don't Want to Go Back to the Ballot': Assembly Speaker Rivas Opposes Changes to Proposition 47","datePublished":"2024-03-15T11:00:33.000Z","dateModified":"2024-03-15T17:35:08.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11979533/i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-ballot-assembly-speaker-rivas-opposes-changes-to-proposition-47","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>California Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas (D-Salinas) on Thursday said he didn’t want to ask voters to reverse parts of Proposition 47, the state’s controversial criminal justice reform law that some critics blame for increases in rates of shoplifting and organized retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t want to go back to the ballot,” Rivas said on KQED’s Political Breakdown. “I don’t think we need to repeal Prop. 47.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rivas joins the two other most powerful Democrats in Sacramento — Gov. Gavin Newsom and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article285940321.html\">Senate President Pro Tem Mike McGuire\u003c/a> — who previously stated their opposition to bringing the question back to voters. Rivas, McGuire and Newsom all say the state can tackle retail theft issues through the legislative process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Catch up fast: \u003c/strong>California voters passed Proposition 47 in 2014, as the state faced a U.S. Supreme Court order to reduce its prison population and as public opinion swung away from tough-on-crime laws that dominated criminal justice in previous decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure lowered simple possession of illegal drugs from a felony to a misdemeanor and raised the felony threshold for theft from $400 to $950.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘When you talk about Prop. 47, the important criminal justice reforms we have taken in this state — for me personally, there’s no going backwards.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"California Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas (D-Salinas)","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The thinking behind the ballot measure, which passed with nearly 60% support, was that expensive jail and prison beds should be reserved for people who pose a threat of violence and are not an appropriate place for drug addicts and minor thieves. It was crafted so that the state would have to reinvest the cost savings from fewer people in jails and prisons into treatment programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47 has saved the state more than $800 million by keeping people out of jails and prisons — $113 million this fiscal year alone, according to the governor’s Department of Finance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Law enforcement leaders have always opposed the law and, in recent years, have blamed the measure for increasingly visible retail theft problems in California, ranging from repeat offenders who shoplift small amounts to organized retail crime rings that steal merchandise to resell it. The brazenness of these crimes, which are often caught on video, has increased political pressure on Democrats in Sacramento to act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11975692/prop-47s-impact-on-californias-criminal-justice-system\">KQED analysis of Proposition 47 found \u003c/a>that law enforcement has been less aggressive in recent years in arresting low-level shoplifters and that Proposition 47 is often blamed for crimes that it doesn’t directly affect, such as large-scale organized retail theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why it matters: \u003c/strong>Rivas’ comments could rankle some members of his caucus who are clamoring to change Proposition 47 on the ballot. Six Assembly Democrats have \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB1772\">signed on to a bipartisan bill\u003c/a> that would ask voters to approve additional jail time for people convicted of theft who have two or more prior shoplifting offenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11975692","hero":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/GettyImages-1363480595-1020x680.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>And Kevin McCarty, chair of the Assembly Public Safety committee and a key Rivas ally has refused to close the door on changes to Proposition 47.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re not picking and choosing which ideas are moving forward yet,” McCarty said at a February press conference. “Everything is on the table.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What comes next could be a key test for Rivas’ promises of an egalitarian speakership, in which more bills will be given the opportunity of a public hearing. How far will Rivas allow proposals to advance that he personally opposes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What they’re saying: \u003c/strong> Rivas and Assembly Democrats \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletter/retail-theft-california-crime-bill/\">rolled out a bill\u003c/a> in February to tackle organized retail theft. While many other proposals focus on increasing criminal penalties for shoplifting, Rivas said the Assembly legislation targets a different key player: The online marketplaces where stolen goods are often resold.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s an undeniable connection when it comes to the proliferation of organized retail theft and the ease in selling stolen goods on these online marketplaces and e-commerce platforms,” he told Political Breakdown. “And so expecting more transparency and accountability from them needs to be part of the solution. They have to do much more to prevent the sale of stolen goods.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The legislation would, among other things, require online sellers to maintain records showing that goods were legally obtained.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rivas said, in general, he remains committed to criminal justice reform and the strides the state has made in that direction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What we’re watching\u003c/strong>: Bills to push Proposition 47 changes onto the ballot could receive hearings in the coming weeks — along with other proposals that aim to reduce shoplifting without going to the voters. Those changes, backed by Newsom, include proposals that would make it easier for law enforcement and prosecutors to arrest and charge shoplifters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, groups representing retailers and prosecutors are collecting signatures to qualify a ballot measure to create new felonies for repeated theft. Rivas said Thursday he remains confident that a compromise can be achieved to avoid a bruising ballot fight this November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I prefer the legislative process because it allows us to engage all stakeholders and refine any bill throughout that process,” Rivas said. “When you talk about Prop. 47, the important criminal justice reforms we have taken in this state — for me personally, there’s no going backwards.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Listen up:\u003c/strong> Check out \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979435/how-assembly-speaker-rivas-rural-farmworker-background-affects-his-leadership-style\">the full episode of Political Breakdown\u003c/a>, on which Rivas talked to Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer about his first year as Assembly speaker, the state budget, and how he has dealt with a stutter throughout his life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11979533/i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-ballot-assembly-speaker-rivas-opposes-changes-to-proposition-47","authors":["3239","227"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_17626","news_22276","news_18502"],"featImg":"news_11979443","label":"news"},"news_11960420":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11960420","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11960420","score":null,"sort":[1694137819000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"reggie-jones-sawyer-on-the-fentanyl-crisis-retail-theft-and-his-new-journey","title":"Reggie Jones-Sawyer on the Fentanyl Crisis, Retail Theft and His 'New Journey'","publishDate":1694137819,"format":"audio","headTitle":"Reggie Jones-Sawyer on the Fentanyl Crisis, Retail Theft and His ‘New Journey’ | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">View the full episode transcript.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assemblymember Reggie Jones-Sawyer, D-Los Angeles, talks to Marisa and Guy Marzorati about his uncle Jefferson Thomas and the Little Rock Nine, Proposition 47 and retail theft, his response to the fentanyl crisis, reparations for Black Californians, how he learned self-forgiveness and his “new journey” after a near-death experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Hey everyone, from KQED Public Radio, this is Political Breakdown, I’m Marisa Lagos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> And I’m Guy Marzorati in for Scott Shafer, and today on the Breakdown, lawmakers are entering their final week of the legislative session. We’re in Sacramento to sit down with one of the committee chairs who has arguably received the most attention and scrutiny this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Los Angeles Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer is here with us in studio. His district includes South Central L.A. and he’s chair of the Assembly Public Safety Committee, where much of the hotly debated criminal justice and fentanyl-related legislation met its fate this year. We’re going to talk with him about how his life has informed his leadership here in Sacramento. Assemblymember, welcome to the Breakdown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Great to be here this morning, thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Yeah, thanks for being here. You know, we would like to talk a little bit about your life before we get into your policymaking, because I think it’s really informed how you have governed. I know you were born in Little Rock, Arkansas, where your family had a pretty deep history. Tell us a little bit about your family there and their kind of involvement in the civil rights movement, really.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So I usually tell the story of when I finally got to college, I was having a really, really good time. I’m talking about a really good time. I’m talking academic probation, good time and about to get kicked out of USC. And I had to go sit at the foot of my grandmother, and my grandmother would have a ladle in her hand. If it was in her left hand she wanted to talk, if it was in her right hand that meant the beatings were going to start. And I started telling her because she didn’t graduate from elementary school. And I try to tell her, you know, she’s talking about her national champions. I’m going to this fancy school. I’m you know, I’m in a fraternity and everything. So the ladle went from the left hand to the right hand. That meant “shut up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so she told me the story and she said, Look, when you were a baby, I was born in 1957, the same time my uncle was entering Little Rock Central High School with the Little Rock Nine, who were trained in nonviolence with Martin Luther King and Reverend Lawson. And she said she got a phone call one day while she was cooking and a voice was from the Klan. And the Ku Klux Klan told her to get her son out of school or your grandson will never make it to school. She said “That grandson was you. You have absolutely no right to give up this education. And in fact, you had to leave Arkansas because we knew something was better for you away from here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Wow\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Ever since then, I was on the dean’s list, and I never look back. And so I attribute that to them telling me those stories about being able to change history. And if you talk to any one of the Little Rock Nine during that time, they just wanted to go to school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> They were kids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> They were kids. Think about it, they were 15, 16 years old. They had to send the 101st Airborne down to protect them, to go to school every day. They were kicked. They were beaten. They were called the N-word almost every day. And they had to endure it for a year. And there’s a picture of my uncle standing next to a fence post where they forgot to pick him up one day, and the group of kids surrounded him and started, you know, needling him and giving me a hard time. And there’s a famous picture of him standing by this lamp post. And across the street, you can see all the racists yelling at him. And he’s not moving. He’s not moving at all. And my when they finally got to him, they realized he was in shock because they surrounded him. When I asked him, how did you survive it? And he said, “I never gave them any hate back. I never let them give me any fear.” And he said there was a kid there that came over and said, “Leave him alone.” And everybody dispersed. The next day, he said, “Hey, why did you why did you come help me? Must be really Christian person. It was really great.” And the guy said, “Well, my family is atheist. I just did it because it was the right thing to do.” And ever since then, I realize no matter what the controversy is, just do the right thing and things will work out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> I mean, I can imagine not just the toll him but on his family, siblings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yeah, my mother. Another story I’ll tell you real quick. My mother, I remember, I asked her what she’d do during that time because they’re eight kids and everybody had a job. And she said, “I washed your uncle’s shirt every night.” And I made, you know, you know, 15, 14 years old. “That means you didn’t do anything.” And my uncle heard me grab it by the scruff of my neck. And he said, “Let me tell you something. Every day I went to school, somebody either picked something on me, urinated on me, took a marker on this white shirt. Every night your mother stayed up all night to make sure that shirt was white as it could be. She bleached it, she did everything she could. So when I went back every day, they saw me in the same white shirt, clean as a whistle. And that was my flag to say, you’re never going to stop me no matter what you do. You can’t stop me. Your mother did that. That was her job. Your mother probably had a more important thing to do in this struggle than anybody else.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Well, you mentioned that you did end up at USC, but I know before that, even after moving to L.A., you had a tough childhood. You’ve talked about that your mother was abused by your father. Can you just tell us a little bit about, you know, your experiences as a kid and kind of what you what you carried with you from those?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> I’ve learned that a lot of things that happen to young people when you’re traumatized. And that’s why I do a lot of work of getting money for people with childhood trauma so they can get beyond it. Many don’t. And they end up in the criminal justice system because of early childhood trauma. And so living in the projects, you see some things that no young kid should ever see. And whether or not a domestic violence that my mother experienced, that our family experienced, you know, I was molested as a kid with a babysitter. My uncle was stabbed seven times in front of his family members and killed in front of my aunt. And I have an uncle, not an uncle, but a cousin who was transgender and which we didn’t know what that was back then. So Julius became Jules and was going through the procedure. And one day somebody killed Jules and violated that body that they had. And I mean all of that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> How did you kind of make it out of that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So one of the things that I think really helped is I for some reason I got involved with a mental health professional who, as we went through a lot of the pain and the hurt and talked through it, one, I realized none of it was my fault. And I took a lot of blame onto myself, that to know that that, you know, there are some things I heard as far as the domestic violence that I did. I was so, you know, you’re six or five years old. I wanted to go help my mother, but I was in shock and I didn’t do anything. And so I always carried that guilt. There were things that happened with my uncles that I wanted to do something, but I couldn’t do anything. Again, I had that guilt and I wanted to lash out and that anger was in me. They taught me to not only release it, but to talk about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I still never really talked about it in public, I think for a lot of African-Americans, especially African-Americans in my community, especially African-American males, we don’t talk about the pain and hurt that we experience. And I’m noticing that even with in my work with public safety, there are a lot of people, firefighters, police officers, prison guards and others that experience some of the most horrendous types of scenes that you could possibly deal with and they’re not releasing or feeling a place that they can get released at. Some of us use substance, substance abuse. And that’s why you see so much out there on the street, substance abuse because we’re not able to heal ourselves. You know, when you have a mental crisis, it’s not like having a cold. Then you go get some cough medicine or somebody give you a shot to help you cure yourself. This is something that you can’t see but you but it just as damaging anything else. Stress is a killer like you wouldn’t believe. Yeah, and I don’t think people understand that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Do you see at all your path in public service that you ended up pursuing as a way to take action, a way to take back kind of empowerment and a way to kind of take forward the experiences that you went through as a child?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So I don’t know how I got here. I kind of do, but I really don’t know. On December 22nd, 2022, I had a minor operation and I died. I literally died and I was brought back to life by the nurses who took quick action. During that time I saw a lot of things. I was out for about 4 hours and when I finally came to, I saw my family around me and I asked them, you know, only takes — it was a one day operation and it only takes one of you to drive the car. Why is everybody around me? And that’s when they told me I had passed away. One of the things I tell people is I was able to see my five-year-old grandson graduate from college. And one of the things that I saw, I saw a lot of things and it made it clear why I am here right now, that there’s some things that I need to do. There were some challenges that I’m meeting now that I actually saw during that time, that if I had said something, I think people thought I would think I was a little nuts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I mean, there’s we have a history of people who experience life and death situations and they come back and tell you what they saw and people kind of look at you funny. Well as somebody that’s been through that, I believe that sometimes God has a way of saying, “I need to talk to you for a little bit.” Because when I went back to my hospital and said, Why did I die? Why did I have a cardiac arrest? I had a cardiac arrest on the 22nd? What caused it? And to this day, nobody knows how it cause it. But when I went to went to my church and they pointed up to the sky and said, I know, they said “God just needed to talk to you for a little bit.” And right after that, I’m starting this new journey of why I need to to do more, to not only help my people, but to make sure that everyone has a society that works best for them. And for the first time, I realize I’m in a position to really kind of help people, especially disadvantaged people, especially homeless people, especially people who don’t have a voice. That’s why I’m here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Alright, hold it there. We’re going to take a very short break and when we come back we’ll continue talking to L.A. Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer. You’re listening to Political Breakdown from KQED Public Radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Welcome back to Political Breakdown, I’m Marisa Lagos here this week with Guy Marzorati. We are talking with Los Angeles Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer. So we mentioned you had a pretty traumatic childhood. You ended up at USC. I know you spent time working in college at the morgue during the crack epidemic, and then you go on to work in L.A. city government for decades. And I kind of want to jump forward because we only have so much time. You were elected to the Assembly in 2012, and this was really right after the Supreme Court had ordered the state to lower its prison population. Lawmakers and the governor were really grappling with how to do that, how to do that while ensuring public safety. And you end up getting tapped to work on the Public Safety Committee pretty soon after to lead it. How did that kind of come to be and was that something that you welcomed or thought you might be doing when you got up here? I know you ran on more of the kind of economic job creation platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yes. And as I worked for the city for 25 years, I did real estate. I ended up Director of Real Estate when I retired from the city. And so when I first got here, I wanted to change the criminal justice system from the courts. And so I decided that since they were during the time when we didn’t have any money, we had kind of. It’s about $1,000,000,000 that the court system was in the hole. And so I made a concerted effort to restore that money. But I wanted to restore that money so that they would have diversion programs and they would have drug courts and juvenile courts and homeless courts and courts that it would help people divert from the prison population. And when I first started, the judges told me that I couldn’t do that. That one, I wasn’t a lawyer. I didn’t know what I was talking about. And I said, Well, that’s fine. But right now I’m in charge of the purse strings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Do you want to get out of this deficit or not?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> \u003cem>[laughs]\u003c/em> And so I worked really hard over two or the next five years, one to restore that billion dollars so they could run efficiently. So people would have access to justice from the criminal justice system. But at that time, we had three strikes. We had sentences that were predetermined no matter what happened. Judges could only do that. And so we started to move the courts to where judges were able to actually look at the holistic individual and figure out a way what is best for, say, public safety. And then they make the decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> You’ve had a decade now in the legislature, I think seven years chairing this public safety committee. Where would you point to as kind of, maybe your greatest mark on public safety, on the criminal legal system in California?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So when we looked at ways we can ensure that people didn’t recidivate and lowering the number of people who recidivate back into prison, we made a conscious effort to make sure that they were trained, they had jobs, better educated, got off of drugs, and if they had mental health problems when we started to focus like a laser on those things, there are fewer and fewer people coming back into prison, because it was like a revolving door. And so the prison population obviously ballooned to about 160,000, now it’s about 96,000 people who are incarcerated. That means we have an opportunity to close prisons. And this year, I asked that two of the savings, or two of the prisons that the governor is closing will result in $230 million of annual savings that I want to plow it back into programs that help people with mental health in the communities that better education Boys and Girls Clubs on Saturday night basketball, things that keep kids out of out of problem areas so that we don’t refill the prisons again and that we have productive citizens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Well, and I think if you look at the data, I’m looking at recent numbers from the money that’s been saved from Prop 47, one of the reforms, the recidivism rates are just so low if people actually complete these programs. But as you know, there was a lot of reforms that happened. Realignment, Prop 47, three strikes reform, Prop 57. And there’s been some backlash. And I just wonder, is there any argument we went too far too fast? When you talk to people who are worried about public safety these days, do you ever feel like, okay, maybe we, you know, should have been a little bit slower on some of these changes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So we went too far too fast when we did three strikes and other things and then we’re trying to adjust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> You mean the tough-on-crime era?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> The tough-on-crime era and when you do an adjustment because there is no law that is perfect. And like I usually tell people, and I’m an elected official, so I can say this. It’s never legislation. It’s always implementation. And so if we had implemented it to its fullest, if we had people totally involved in making sure it got corrected, we would not be in the situation where — the example I will give you, I did AB 1065 organized retail theft, that was done 2018. That little small unit of CHP and DOJ have resulted in $30 million brought back over 1800 convictions or places where they’ve actually arrested people. Been unbelievably successful. We did that with Jerry Brown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then when Governor Gavin Newsom looked at the statistics, he gave it another $200 million to expand it because it was so successful. And now when you actually look at the number of people who are being arrested now on a smash and grab, it’s based on the organized retail theft law that I instituted. And what it does is, it charges people with felonies so that they not only get several years in jail, but Attorney General Bonta is also charging them with federal crimes which could get up to 20 years in jail. So that way you go after the organizers of it and get them off the street. But you still have an opportunity to deal with people who you can give some services to. That’s the kind of combination we needed to do, and we needed to spread it and expand it to make Prop 47 better. That’s where we’re at. We got to make Prop 47 better and not eliminate it. That’s the struggle right now. It’s either ying or yang.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Because there is this sense, and I think, in large part driven by viral videos, that sense of lawlessness or that you could get away with shoplifting. How do you respond to those kind of criticisms?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> It’s difficult. One of my early political mentors once told me “perception is reality.” The chief of police of LAPD, Los Angeles police department can tell you every day that violent crime is down. He can tell you that crime is down. But if you see those videos on TV, you feel—\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> What do you feel?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yeah. And then the other thing that which I think is also distressing that we have to come to grips with, that there’s a racial aspect to it. So when you see homeless people out on the street and, you know, you see African-American homeless people out in the street, there are people who are not African-Americans who then are fearful of black people anyway, clutching their purses when they get on the elevator. And then that’s exacerbated when you walk out every day and you see a homeless person out there. And so that just that subconsciously is giving the impression that everything is worse. How many times do you hear that because of the homeless situation, “This looks like a third world country,” and statements like that. And so we’ve really got to come to grips with our own, what we feel and just try to focus like a laser on how to resolve that, because that that’s part of it. Because perception is really reality for a lot of people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> I want to ask you really quickly before we talk about fentanyl, the other law that got passed to kind of tweak 47 was to allow folks to aggregate charges, DAs to aggregate charges, right? So that if you are a repeat, you know, shoplifter, even if you’re not part of a big ring, you can get charged with a felony, even if the dollar amount, you know, doesn’t get to that felony threshold. I’ve been doing some research. I have not been able to find any examples of this law being used. One DA says he’s never had police present that sort of case. Others have told me they think it’s just difficult for law enforcement to build these cases. What’s your response to that kind of, you know, reaction? Because we hear a lot of kind of hating on 47 from law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Right. And that’s been, that’s been a real problem. And that’s why I talk about, for example, on fentanyl I said we need to unite the fight on fentanyl. We need to unite the fight against criminals, to unite to fight to protect citizens, because we can’t pull it all together. Collaboration is the only way we’re going to ultimately be able to get this done. If law enforcement is not doing a job because they think Prop 47 is preventing them, when in fact we do have laws on the books that they can, think about it: If the attorney general and the CHP can aggregate and do it, that means other law enforcement officers can do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We need to put down all the rhetoric and then come together to get this done. No one, no one Republican, Democrat, moderate, progressive, no one wants to get let criminals get away with anything. And that is a fallacy whatsoever. And so there are laws on the books that you can actually prosecute. When I hear from a business owner that says, “I see someone in my store, I call the police. Three hours later, they show up and said they don’t really come to these because of Prop 47.” Well, that’s not true. If you catch somebody in your store burglarizing it, you can prosecute them and you can prosecute to the fullest. So somehow we’ve got to have a collaborative conversation to where we’re all working together to do what we need to do to to give people a perception that criminals are being prosecuted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> I want to ask about fentanyl. There’s been a number of bills that moved through the Public Safety Committee this year dealing with increasing sentencing for dealing fentanyl that were voted down, some of them even brought by Democrats. And I wonder, you know, in Sacramento, you often get bills that get kind of a courtesy ‘aye’ vote in committee. Members might not completely support the idea, but they want to see the bill move forward. They want to see negotiations or kind of compromise continue. Why did you feel, I guess, that those bills were legislatively irredeemable? They couldn’t move past your committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So when those bills come up, the committee as a whole try to figure out a way so that they can pass. It is usually up to the author whether or not they accept amendments. Probably 90% of the time, maybe close to 100% of the time, the reason they don’t get out is because they refuse any kind of amendments. They want it to go through purely as the way it is. There is no legislation that doesn’t have some kind of change so that we can move forward with it. And so even when we don’t vote on something, meaning if some of the legislation that goes through where the committee does a no vote, they just don’t vote at all. That means they want to do more research and look at it and then hopefully it’ll get passed in January. Well, that was looked upon as a no vote. It’s not a no vote. It’s look, let’s get back past the rhetoric, let’s get past the politics in the press and let’s get into the policy of what we really need to do. Because once you get to the root of what you’re trying to solve, because that’s what we —\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Well, what do you think we need to do around fentanyl? I mean, it is a crisis. It’s horrific what’s happening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Well we have a $5 billion bond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Yeah, tell us about that. That we, the Democrats, put together a group of law enforcement, medical professionals, psychiatrists, drug abuse specialists. They all came together and we had a hearing. And whether it was a judge, a DA, law enforcement, each of them said we needed a public health solution to fentanyl and that tough-on-crime measures did not work. So I believe we could stop the opioid epidemic if we had better education, we went to the schools. Also making sure we had Narcan. That’s what my bond does, make sure we had Narcan in every school or in places so we can stop the overdose, especially in Skid Row, where my district is that we can stop it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> And so this bond, November 2024, that’s what you’re pushing for, is that right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yes. We were trying to get it on, obviously wanted to get it on the March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> But the governor has other things going on\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> There was a bigger name\u003cem> [laughs]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> We’re running short on time. The last thing we want to ask you about is reparations. You were involved on the task force multiyear process, came out with the final report this summer. It sounds like most of the legislative action is probably going to happen starting next year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Correct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Bills getting introduced that came ideas from the report. If we’re sitting here in a year, what does success look like to you on reparations over the course of the next year?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> And so the main the two main people who are going to be involved in it is Senator Steven Bradford and myself, we ill be pushing both legislative and budgetary recommendations moving forward through both houses and to the Governor. For us, with this being our last year, obviously we would like to get everything done, but we’re going to try to get as much done as possible, knowing the reality may be a multiyear process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Of course, yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer\u003c/strong>: But we’ve got to at least set up the initial parameters, especially the easy things, like an apology letter should not be something that’s ultimately controversial. Looking at ways we can ensure that that African-Americans, especially young kids, can get into higher education. The law school at UCLA, the numbers are abysmal. If we just worked real hard to figure out a way we can get more and more of our kids there, and then we’re really seriously looking at innovative ways to be able to close the wealth gap. And it’s even harder now with the housing crisis and the housing being so expensive. But that is, if you look at what is the wealth gap between white and African Americans it is the home. And if we can start to own land, then we can go to the next step. Owning a business or stocks and bonds. But it’s a gradual thing. But the first thing we got to start is financial literacy and being able to get people to start to own and buy homes and remove those barriers from us being able to access property.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos\u003c/strong>: All right. We’re going to have to leave it there. Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer, thanks for coming in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Appreciate your time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer\u003c/strong>: All right, thank you. Thank you both, this was great.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos\u003c/strong>: That’s going to do it for this edition of Political Breakdown, we’re a production of KQED Public Radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati\u003c/strong>: Our engineers today are Brendan Willard and Christopher Beale, I’m Guy Marzorati.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos\u003c/strong>: And I’m Marisa Lagos. 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We’re in Sacramento to sit down with one of the committee chairs who has arguably received the most attention and scrutiny this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Los Angeles Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer is here with us in studio. His district includes South Central L.A. and he’s chair of the Assembly Public Safety Committee, where much of the hotly debated criminal justice and fentanyl-related legislation met its fate this year. We’re going to talk with him about how his life has informed his leadership here in Sacramento. Assemblymember, welcome to the Breakdown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Great to be here this morning, thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Yeah, thanks for being here. You know, we would like to talk a little bit about your life before we get into your policymaking, because I think it’s really informed how you have governed. I know you were born in Little Rock, Arkansas, where your family had a pretty deep history. Tell us a little bit about your family there and their kind of involvement in the civil rights movement, really.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So I usually tell the story of when I finally got to college, I was having a really, really good time. I’m talking about a really good time. I’m talking academic probation, good time and about to get kicked out of USC. And I had to go sit at the foot of my grandmother, and my grandmother would have a ladle in her hand. If it was in her left hand she wanted to talk, if it was in her right hand that meant the beatings were going to start. And I started telling her because she didn’t graduate from elementary school. And I try to tell her, you know, she’s talking about her national champions. I’m going to this fancy school. I’m you know, I’m in a fraternity and everything. So the ladle went from the left hand to the right hand. That meant “shut up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so she told me the story and she said, Look, when you were a baby, I was born in 1957, the same time my uncle was entering Little Rock Central High School with the Little Rock Nine, who were trained in nonviolence with Martin Luther King and Reverend Lawson. And she said she got a phone call one day while she was cooking and a voice was from the Klan. And the Ku Klux Klan told her to get her son out of school or your grandson will never make it to school. She said “That grandson was you. You have absolutely no right to give up this education. And in fact, you had to leave Arkansas because we knew something was better for you away from here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Wow\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Ever since then, I was on the dean’s list, and I never look back. And so I attribute that to them telling me those stories about being able to change history. And if you talk to any one of the Little Rock Nine during that time, they just wanted to go to school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> They were kids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> They were kids. Think about it, they were 15, 16 years old. They had to send the 101st Airborne down to protect them, to go to school every day. They were kicked. They were beaten. They were called the N-word almost every day. And they had to endure it for a year. And there’s a picture of my uncle standing next to a fence post where they forgot to pick him up one day, and the group of kids surrounded him and started, you know, needling him and giving me a hard time. And there’s a famous picture of him standing by this lamp post. And across the street, you can see all the racists yelling at him. And he’s not moving. He’s not moving at all. And my when they finally got to him, they realized he was in shock because they surrounded him. When I asked him, how did you survive it? And he said, “I never gave them any hate back. I never let them give me any fear.” And he said there was a kid there that came over and said, “Leave him alone.” And everybody dispersed. The next day, he said, “Hey, why did you why did you come help me? Must be really Christian person. It was really great.” And the guy said, “Well, my family is atheist. I just did it because it was the right thing to do.” And ever since then, I realize no matter what the controversy is, just do the right thing and things will work out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> I mean, I can imagine not just the toll him but on his family, siblings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yeah, my mother. Another story I’ll tell you real quick. My mother, I remember, I asked her what she’d do during that time because they’re eight kids and everybody had a job. And she said, “I washed your uncle’s shirt every night.” And I made, you know, you know, 15, 14 years old. “That means you didn’t do anything.” And my uncle heard me grab it by the scruff of my neck. And he said, “Let me tell you something. Every day I went to school, somebody either picked something on me, urinated on me, took a marker on this white shirt. Every night your mother stayed up all night to make sure that shirt was white as it could be. She bleached it, she did everything she could. So when I went back every day, they saw me in the same white shirt, clean as a whistle. And that was my flag to say, you’re never going to stop me no matter what you do. You can’t stop me. Your mother did that. That was her job. Your mother probably had a more important thing to do in this struggle than anybody else.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Well, you mentioned that you did end up at USC, but I know before that, even after moving to L.A., you had a tough childhood. You’ve talked about that your mother was abused by your father. Can you just tell us a little bit about, you know, your experiences as a kid and kind of what you what you carried with you from those?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> I’ve learned that a lot of things that happen to young people when you’re traumatized. And that’s why I do a lot of work of getting money for people with childhood trauma so they can get beyond it. Many don’t. And they end up in the criminal justice system because of early childhood trauma. And so living in the projects, you see some things that no young kid should ever see. And whether or not a domestic violence that my mother experienced, that our family experienced, you know, I was molested as a kid with a babysitter. My uncle was stabbed seven times in front of his family members and killed in front of my aunt. And I have an uncle, not an uncle, but a cousin who was transgender and which we didn’t know what that was back then. So Julius became Jules and was going through the procedure. And one day somebody killed Jules and violated that body that they had. And I mean all of that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> How did you kind of make it out of that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So one of the things that I think really helped is I for some reason I got involved with a mental health professional who, as we went through a lot of the pain and the hurt and talked through it, one, I realized none of it was my fault. And I took a lot of blame onto myself, that to know that that, you know, there are some things I heard as far as the domestic violence that I did. I was so, you know, you’re six or five years old. I wanted to go help my mother, but I was in shock and I didn’t do anything. And so I always carried that guilt. There were things that happened with my uncles that I wanted to do something, but I couldn’t do anything. Again, I had that guilt and I wanted to lash out and that anger was in me. They taught me to not only release it, but to talk about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I still never really talked about it in public, I think for a lot of African-Americans, especially African-Americans in my community, especially African-American males, we don’t talk about the pain and hurt that we experience. And I’m noticing that even with in my work with public safety, there are a lot of people, firefighters, police officers, prison guards and others that experience some of the most horrendous types of scenes that you could possibly deal with and they’re not releasing or feeling a place that they can get released at. Some of us use substance, substance abuse. And that’s why you see so much out there on the street, substance abuse because we’re not able to heal ourselves. You know, when you have a mental crisis, it’s not like having a cold. Then you go get some cough medicine or somebody give you a shot to help you cure yourself. This is something that you can’t see but you but it just as damaging anything else. Stress is a killer like you wouldn’t believe. Yeah, and I don’t think people understand that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Do you see at all your path in public service that you ended up pursuing as a way to take action, a way to take back kind of empowerment and a way to kind of take forward the experiences that you went through as a child?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So I don’t know how I got here. I kind of do, but I really don’t know. On December 22nd, 2022, I had a minor operation and I died. I literally died and I was brought back to life by the nurses who took quick action. During that time I saw a lot of things. I was out for about 4 hours and when I finally came to, I saw my family around me and I asked them, you know, only takes — it was a one day operation and it only takes one of you to drive the car. Why is everybody around me? And that’s when they told me I had passed away. One of the things I tell people is I was able to see my five-year-old grandson graduate from college. And one of the things that I saw, I saw a lot of things and it made it clear why I am here right now, that there’s some things that I need to do. There were some challenges that I’m meeting now that I actually saw during that time, that if I had said something, I think people thought I would think I was a little nuts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I mean, there’s we have a history of people who experience life and death situations and they come back and tell you what they saw and people kind of look at you funny. Well as somebody that’s been through that, I believe that sometimes God has a way of saying, “I need to talk to you for a little bit.” Because when I went back to my hospital and said, Why did I die? Why did I have a cardiac arrest? I had a cardiac arrest on the 22nd? What caused it? And to this day, nobody knows how it cause it. But when I went to went to my church and they pointed up to the sky and said, I know, they said “God just needed to talk to you for a little bit.” And right after that, I’m starting this new journey of why I need to to do more, to not only help my people, but to make sure that everyone has a society that works best for them. And for the first time, I realize I’m in a position to really kind of help people, especially disadvantaged people, especially homeless people, especially people who don’t have a voice. That’s why I’m here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Alright, hold it there. We’re going to take a very short break and when we come back we’ll continue talking to L.A. Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer. You’re listening to Political Breakdown from KQED Public Radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Welcome back to Political Breakdown, I’m Marisa Lagos here this week with Guy Marzorati. We are talking with Los Angeles Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer. So we mentioned you had a pretty traumatic childhood. You ended up at USC. I know you spent time working in college at the morgue during the crack epidemic, and then you go on to work in L.A. city government for decades. And I kind of want to jump forward because we only have so much time. You were elected to the Assembly in 2012, and this was really right after the Supreme Court had ordered the state to lower its prison population. Lawmakers and the governor were really grappling with how to do that, how to do that while ensuring public safety. And you end up getting tapped to work on the Public Safety Committee pretty soon after to lead it. How did that kind of come to be and was that something that you welcomed or thought you might be doing when you got up here? I know you ran on more of the kind of economic job creation platform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yes. And as I worked for the city for 25 years, I did real estate. I ended up Director of Real Estate when I retired from the city. And so when I first got here, I wanted to change the criminal justice system from the courts. And so I decided that since they were during the time when we didn’t have any money, we had kind of. It’s about $1,000,000,000 that the court system was in the hole. And so I made a concerted effort to restore that money. But I wanted to restore that money so that they would have diversion programs and they would have drug courts and juvenile courts and homeless courts and courts that it would help people divert from the prison population. And when I first started, the judges told me that I couldn’t do that. That one, I wasn’t a lawyer. I didn’t know what I was talking about. And I said, Well, that’s fine. But right now I’m in charge of the purse strings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Do you want to get out of this deficit or not?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> \u003cem>[laughs]\u003c/em> And so I worked really hard over two or the next five years, one to restore that billion dollars so they could run efficiently. So people would have access to justice from the criminal justice system. But at that time, we had three strikes. We had sentences that were predetermined no matter what happened. Judges could only do that. And so we started to move the courts to where judges were able to actually look at the holistic individual and figure out a way what is best for, say, public safety. And then they make the decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> You’ve had a decade now in the legislature, I think seven years chairing this public safety committee. Where would you point to as kind of, maybe your greatest mark on public safety, on the criminal legal system in California?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So when we looked at ways we can ensure that people didn’t recidivate and lowering the number of people who recidivate back into prison, we made a conscious effort to make sure that they were trained, they had jobs, better educated, got off of drugs, and if they had mental health problems when we started to focus like a laser on those things, there are fewer and fewer people coming back into prison, because it was like a revolving door. And so the prison population obviously ballooned to about 160,000, now it’s about 96,000 people who are incarcerated. That means we have an opportunity to close prisons. And this year, I asked that two of the savings, or two of the prisons that the governor is closing will result in $230 million of annual savings that I want to plow it back into programs that help people with mental health in the communities that better education Boys and Girls Clubs on Saturday night basketball, things that keep kids out of out of problem areas so that we don’t refill the prisons again and that we have productive citizens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Well, and I think if you look at the data, I’m looking at recent numbers from the money that’s been saved from Prop 47, one of the reforms, the recidivism rates are just so low if people actually complete these programs. But as you know, there was a lot of reforms that happened. Realignment, Prop 47, three strikes reform, Prop 57. And there’s been some backlash. And I just wonder, is there any argument we went too far too fast? When you talk to people who are worried about public safety these days, do you ever feel like, okay, maybe we, you know, should have been a little bit slower on some of these changes?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So we went too far too fast when we did three strikes and other things and then we’re trying to adjust.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> You mean the tough-on-crime era?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> The tough-on-crime era and when you do an adjustment because there is no law that is perfect. And like I usually tell people, and I’m an elected official, so I can say this. It’s never legislation. It’s always implementation. And so if we had implemented it to its fullest, if we had people totally involved in making sure it got corrected, we would not be in the situation where — the example I will give you, I did AB 1065 organized retail theft, that was done 2018. That little small unit of CHP and DOJ have resulted in $30 million brought back over 1800 convictions or places where they’ve actually arrested people. Been unbelievably successful. We did that with Jerry Brown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then when Governor Gavin Newsom looked at the statistics, he gave it another $200 million to expand it because it was so successful. And now when you actually look at the number of people who are being arrested now on a smash and grab, it’s based on the organized retail theft law that I instituted. And what it does is, it charges people with felonies so that they not only get several years in jail, but Attorney General Bonta is also charging them with federal crimes which could get up to 20 years in jail. So that way you go after the organizers of it and get them off the street. But you still have an opportunity to deal with people who you can give some services to. That’s the kind of combination we needed to do, and we needed to spread it and expand it to make Prop 47 better. That’s where we’re at. We got to make Prop 47 better and not eliminate it. That’s the struggle right now. It’s either ying or yang.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Because there is this sense, and I think, in large part driven by viral videos, that sense of lawlessness or that you could get away with shoplifting. How do you respond to those kind of criticisms?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> It’s difficult. One of my early political mentors once told me “perception is reality.” The chief of police of LAPD, Los Angeles police department can tell you every day that violent crime is down. He can tell you that crime is down. But if you see those videos on TV, you feel—\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> What do you feel?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yeah. And then the other thing that which I think is also distressing that we have to come to grips with, that there’s a racial aspect to it. So when you see homeless people out on the street and, you know, you see African-American homeless people out in the street, there are people who are not African-Americans who then are fearful of black people anyway, clutching their purses when they get on the elevator. And then that’s exacerbated when you walk out every day and you see a homeless person out there. And so that just that subconsciously is giving the impression that everything is worse. How many times do you hear that because of the homeless situation, “This looks like a third world country,” and statements like that. And so we’ve really got to come to grips with our own, what we feel and just try to focus like a laser on how to resolve that, because that that’s part of it. Because perception is really reality for a lot of people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> I want to ask you really quickly before we talk about fentanyl, the other law that got passed to kind of tweak 47 was to allow folks to aggregate charges, DAs to aggregate charges, right? So that if you are a repeat, you know, shoplifter, even if you’re not part of a big ring, you can get charged with a felony, even if the dollar amount, you know, doesn’t get to that felony threshold. I’ve been doing some research. I have not been able to find any examples of this law being used. One DA says he’s never had police present that sort of case. Others have told me they think it’s just difficult for law enforcement to build these cases. What’s your response to that kind of, you know, reaction? Because we hear a lot of kind of hating on 47 from law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Right. And that’s been, that’s been a real problem. And that’s why I talk about, for example, on fentanyl I said we need to unite the fight on fentanyl. We need to unite the fight against criminals, to unite to fight to protect citizens, because we can’t pull it all together. Collaboration is the only way we’re going to ultimately be able to get this done. If law enforcement is not doing a job because they think Prop 47 is preventing them, when in fact we do have laws on the books that they can, think about it: If the attorney general and the CHP can aggregate and do it, that means other law enforcement officers can do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We need to put down all the rhetoric and then come together to get this done. No one, no one Republican, Democrat, moderate, progressive, no one wants to get let criminals get away with anything. And that is a fallacy whatsoever. And so there are laws on the books that you can actually prosecute. When I hear from a business owner that says, “I see someone in my store, I call the police. Three hours later, they show up and said they don’t really come to these because of Prop 47.” Well, that’s not true. If you catch somebody in your store burglarizing it, you can prosecute them and you can prosecute to the fullest. So somehow we’ve got to have a collaborative conversation to where we’re all working together to do what we need to do to to give people a perception that criminals are being prosecuted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> I want to ask about fentanyl. There’s been a number of bills that moved through the Public Safety Committee this year dealing with increasing sentencing for dealing fentanyl that were voted down, some of them even brought by Democrats. And I wonder, you know, in Sacramento, you often get bills that get kind of a courtesy ‘aye’ vote in committee. Members might not completely support the idea, but they want to see the bill move forward. They want to see negotiations or kind of compromise continue. Why did you feel, I guess, that those bills were legislatively irredeemable? They couldn’t move past your committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> So when those bills come up, the committee as a whole try to figure out a way so that they can pass. It is usually up to the author whether or not they accept amendments. Probably 90% of the time, maybe close to 100% of the time, the reason they don’t get out is because they refuse any kind of amendments. They want it to go through purely as the way it is. There is no legislation that doesn’t have some kind of change so that we can move forward with it. And so even when we don’t vote on something, meaning if some of the legislation that goes through where the committee does a no vote, they just don’t vote at all. That means they want to do more research and look at it and then hopefully it’ll get passed in January. Well, that was looked upon as a no vote. It’s not a no vote. It’s look, let’s get back past the rhetoric, let’s get past the politics in the press and let’s get into the policy of what we really need to do. Because once you get to the root of what you’re trying to solve, because that’s what we —\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Well, what do you think we need to do around fentanyl? I mean, it is a crisis. It’s horrific what’s happening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Well we have a $5 billion bond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos:\u003c/strong> Yeah, tell us about that. That we, the Democrats, put together a group of law enforcement, medical professionals, psychiatrists, drug abuse specialists. They all came together and we had a hearing. And whether it was a judge, a DA, law enforcement, each of them said we needed a public health solution to fentanyl and that tough-on-crime measures did not work. So I believe we could stop the opioid epidemic if we had better education, we went to the schools. Also making sure we had Narcan. That’s what my bond does, make sure we had Narcan in every school or in places so we can stop the overdose, especially in Skid Row, where my district is that we can stop it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> And so this bond, November 2024, that’s what you’re pushing for, is that right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Yes. We were trying to get it on, obviously wanted to get it on the March.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> But the governor has other things going on\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> There was a bigger name\u003cem> [laughs]\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> We’re running short on time. The last thing we want to ask you about is reparations. You were involved on the task force multiyear process, came out with the final report this summer. It sounds like most of the legislative action is probably going to happen starting next year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> Correct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Bills getting introduced that came ideas from the report. If we’re sitting here in a year, what does success look like to you on reparations over the course of the next year?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer:\u003c/strong> And so the main the two main people who are going to be involved in it is Senator Steven Bradford and myself, we ill be pushing both legislative and budgetary recommendations moving forward through both houses and to the Governor. For us, with this being our last year, obviously we would like to get everything done, but we’re going to try to get as much done as possible, knowing the reality may be a multiyear process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Of course, yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer\u003c/strong>: But we’ve got to at least set up the initial parameters, especially the easy things, like an apology letter should not be something that’s ultimately controversial. Looking at ways we can ensure that that African-Americans, especially young kids, can get into higher education. The law school at UCLA, the numbers are abysmal. If we just worked real hard to figure out a way we can get more and more of our kids there, and then we’re really seriously looking at innovative ways to be able to close the wealth gap. And it’s even harder now with the housing crisis and the housing being so expensive. But that is, if you look at what is the wealth gap between white and African Americans it is the home. And if we can start to own land, then we can go to the next step. Owning a business or stocks and bonds. But it’s a gradual thing. But the first thing we got to start is financial literacy and being able to get people to start to own and buy homes and remove those barriers from us being able to access property.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos\u003c/strong>: All right. We’re going to have to leave it there. Assemblyman Reggie Jones-Sawyer, thanks for coming in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati:\u003c/strong> Appreciate your time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reggie Jones-Sawyer\u003c/strong>: All right, thank you. Thank you both, this was great.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos\u003c/strong>: That’s going to do it for this edition of Political Breakdown, we’re a production of KQED Public Radio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati\u003c/strong>: Our engineers today are Brendan Willard and Christopher Beale, I’m Guy Marzorati.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Lagos\u003c/strong>: And I’m Marisa Lagos. We’ll see you next week.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11960420/reggie-jones-sawyer-on-the-fentanyl-crisis-retail-theft-and-his-new-journey","authors":["3239","227"],"programs":["news_33544"],"categories":["news_8","news_33520"],"tags":["news_22235","news_18502","news_28549","news_2923"],"featImg":"news_11960421","label":"source_news_11960420"},"news_11914988":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11914988","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11914988","score":null,"sort":[1654088408000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"meet-the-right-leaning-candidates-vying-to-replace-rob-bonta-as-california-attorney-general","title":"Meet the Right-Leaning Candidates Vying to Replace Rob Bonta as California Attorney General","publishDate":1654088408,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>The race for attorney general in California has in some ways become a referendum on the broader tussle over whether criminal justice reform has gone too far in the state — and what the best course is to ensure public safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"criminal-justice-reform\"]The incumbent, Democratic Attorney General Rob Bonta, was \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11865953/newsom-names-east-bay-assemblyman-rob-bonta-as-californias-new-attorney-general\">appointed to the role last year by Gov. Gavin Newsom \u003c/a>after Xavier Becerra vacated the post to become secretary of health and human services in the Biden administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bonta, who did not respond to repeated requests to talk to KQED for this story, is facing three challengers from the right: Sacramento District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert, a former Republican who is now registered as no party preference, as well as Republican lawyers Nathan Hochman and Eric Early. The four appear together in the June primary, and the top two vote-getters will face each other in the November general election. (A fifth candidate — Dan Kapelovitz, of the Green party — also is on the primary ballot.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The contest follows \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11906253/violent-crime-soared-during-the-pandemic-but-does-the-political-debate-reflect-the-data\">several years of increasing crime rates, both in California and across the nation\u003c/a>, a trend that's refocused attention on many of the criminal justice reforms Bonta championed as a lawmaker in the state Assembly, and one that's provided an opening for more conservative law-and-order candidates in this deep-blue state. All three of Bonta's challengers from the right have seized on \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11374335/lawmakers-aim-to-limit-cash-bail-say-it-punishes-poor-for-being-poor\">his support of policies like eliminating cash bail\u003c/a> and softening criminal sentencing laws as proof that he's not the best candidate for this moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED interviewed the three candidates to find out more about why they are running and what their priorities would be as the state's top law enforcement officer.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Eric Early: The pro-Trumper\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11915646\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1200px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11915646\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1.jpeg\" alt=\"A man stands at a podium gesticulating with his hands.\" width=\"1200\" height=\"867\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1.jpeg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1-800x578.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1-1020x737.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1-160x116.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">California attorney general candidate Eric Early campaigns at an event at the Knott's Berry Farm Hotel near Anaheim in March. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Eric Early campaign)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The most conservative and Trump-like candidate in the race, Early runs a business and entertainment law firm and hosts a Friday night talk radio show on the Los Angeles AM station KABC.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He’s an unapologetic supporter of the former president and claims, despite all evidence to the contrary, that the 2020 election was stolen and dismisses well-documented reports of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race as a conspiracy theory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As some of his top credentials, Early cites his unsuccessful lawsuits \u003ca href=\"https://www.independent.com/2021/12/17/appeal-court-sides-with-just-communities-and-sbusd-on-appeal-of-fair-education-lawsuit/\">against a school over critical race theory\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://wvmetronews.com/2022/02/03/federal-judge-dismisses-don-blankenships-defamation-claims-against-media-companies/\">against news organizations over their coverage\u003c/a> of a Republican mining magnate and candidate for U.S. Senate. He also ran for Congress in 2020, challenging Trump critic Adam Schiff for the seat representing a large swath of Los Angeles County — and lost by \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-california-house-district-28.html\">some 55 points\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early says he’s running for attorney general on a key bread-and-butter issue: public safety. California is headed in the wrong direction, he argues, and insists he's the one to fix things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“First thing I would do on Day One is I would call a meeting,” Early said. “I would call in all the sheriffs, all the DAs, all the police chiefs, and we would have a roundtable discussion for as long as we needed to, because I want to hear from the experts on what they believe is needed to get to the bottom of what I call the creation of a criminal's paradise here in California.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early said he would use the bully pulpit to help push changes to laws he sees as problematic, \u003ca href=\"https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_47,_Reduced_Penalties_for_Some_Crimes_Initiative_(2014)#:~:text=Source-,Overview,a%20felony%20to%20a%20misdemeanor.\">including Proposition 47\u003c/a>, the 2014 ballot measure that lowered most drug possession charges to misdemeanors and raised the legal threshold to prosecute felony shoplifting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a lawyer, Early says, he has helped scores of people targeted by mortgage fraudsters. He also served as lead attorney in the unsuccessful effort to recall Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he’s never served in government — something he considers an asset.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Eric Early, candidate for attorney general\"]'I firmly believe government is the reason for our failures. It's time for somebody from out of government with my experience and background to get in and do what I can to help the people.'[/pullquote]“I firmly believe government is the reason for our failures. It's time for somebody from out of government with my experience and background to get in and do what I can to help the people. And you know, I fight for all law-abiding citizens of all races, creeds, colors and sexual orientation,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although Early is anti-abortion rights, his spokesperson says he will uphold all laws, even those he disagrees with. But Early also told KQED he would use the office to investigate laws he believes could be unconstitutional, specifically noting that former Attorney General Jerry Brown \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Brown-first-in-decades-to-go-against-voters-3179147.php\">refused to defend California’s ban on same-sex marriage in 2008\u003c/a>, after voters passed Proposition 8.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early also indicated he might not consider all of California’s gun laws constitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The attorney general can look at whether or not a law should even be enforced if it is unconstitutional. The attorney general absolutely can support our Second Amendment right, which is what I do,” he said, without citing any specific state gun restrictions he was particularly concerned with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent years, the attorney general’s office has been \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-10/california-attorney-general-appeal-supporting-assault-weapon-ban\">in constant litigation\u003c/a> defending the state’s restrictive gun laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while Early is encouraging voters to cast their ballots for him in any format allowed — including by mail — he also said he has questions about the integrity of the state’s entire voting system, opposes universal vote-by-mail rules, and questions the security of electronic voting machines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If I get this job for attorney general, I will investigate our election apparatus,” he said, echoing a pledge made by pro-Trump candidates nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those ties to Trumpism make Early look like an easy target for Democrats in a state that overwhelmingly elected President Biden — groups backing Bonta have gone so far as to \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Why-backers-of-Democratic-Attorney-General-Rob-17163311.php\">run ads promoting Early\u003c/a> in the hopes that he will be the easiest of the three candidates to beat in November.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Nathan Hochman: 'The hard middle'\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11915624\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1050px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11915624\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4.jpeg\" alt=\"A man stands at a podium and speaks into a microphone.\" width=\"1050\" height=\"844\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4.jpeg 1050w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4-800x643.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4-1020x820.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4-160x129.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1050px) 100vw, 1050px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">California attorney general candidate Nathan Hochman speaks in May to a Republican women's group in Southern California. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Nathan Hochman campaign)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nathan Hochman says he may be a Republican and a former federal prosecutor, but hopes voters won’t pigeonhole him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My message is bipartisan. It's commonsense. It's pragmatic. It's what, if you were sitting around trying to figure out the solutions to these problems, most people would come up with,” he said. “And that's where I want to go. The hard middle.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A native Californian, Hochman says his career as a U.S. attorney and private defense lawyer has spanned the gamut from going after tax cheats, polluters and dirty cops to prosecuting political corruption and defending people accused of white-collar crimes. He notes he’s the only candidate who has been both a prosecutor and a defense attorney; he also served on the Los Angeles Ethics Commission for five years, including as its president for one of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hochman, for example, says he doesn’t think everyone needs to be locked up and that California should invest in alternatives to incarceration, including diversion programs, home detention and community service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like Bonta’s other challengers, Hochman cites public safety as his top issue and is critical of major criminal justice reforms, including Proposition 47. He also says he wants to use existing laws to prosecute fentanyl dealers and crack down on human trafficking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he says California should invest in both a strong police force and law enforcement alternatives, rather than prioritizing just one.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Nathan Hochman, candidate for attorney general\"]'My message is bipartisan. It's commonsense. It's pragmatic. It's what, if you were sitting around trying to figure out the solutions to these problems, most people would come up with.'[/pullquote]That varied experience, he says, “gives me an ability to calibrate who are the true public safety threats, who need to be imprisoned and taken off our streets, and who can serve their debt to society in some other way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People like to complain about the police, but then they want to actually cut their budget and assume they're actually going to get better at their job,” he said, while adding, “I also believe that social service organizations need to be funded.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hochman's spokesperson did not respond to a question about the candidate's position on abortion. Hochman, though, argues that “the job of the California attorney general is to defend and enforce the laws on the books of California. Full stop. If I wanted to make the laws, I'd run for a different position.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, Hochman pledges he would use the full power of the attorney general’s 4,500 lawyers to pursue both criminal and civil cases that matter to Californians — including investigating how fraudsters\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11893715/californias-unemployment-fraud-balloons-to-20-billion\"> bilked an estimated $20 billion in unemployment payments out of the state EDD\u003c/a>, and whether anyone in state government should be held accountable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While there’s already a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article256487486.html\">special counsel at the EDD\u003c/a> doing just that, as well as multiple investigations at the state and federal levels, Hochman argues the attorney general should be investigating as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would hold responsible the people who either fraudulently, corruptly or negligently allowed $25 billion [sic] to go out the door in a completely criminal way. You know, it was ripped off. I mean, that's shocking. And then I absolutely go after the people who ripped it off,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Anne Marie Schubert: The career prosecutor\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11915627\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1024px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11915627 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788.jpg\" alt=\"A woman speaks into a gaggle of media outlet microphones. Behind her is a sign that says, 'Sacramento County District Attorney's Office.'\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788.jpg 1024w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788-160x107.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sacramento District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert — who is now running for state attorney general — announces the arrest of accused rapist and killer Joseph James DeAngelo, known as the 'Golden State Killer,' during a news conference on April 25, 2018, in Sacramento. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Sacramento District Attorney \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11738034/sacramento-district-attorney-anne-marie-schubert-on-the-death-penalty-stephon-clark-and-forensic-dna\">Anne Marie Schubert\u003c/a> is a lifelong prosecutor — the reason, she argues, voters should make her California’s top cop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why do I want this job? Because it's all I've ever done,” she said. “And I believe very much in public safety and victims' rights. And I've watched the demise of public safety around California. So I'm going to step into this role to help lead the state back to a balanced public safety system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert is a former Republican who \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/marcos-breton/article213293889.html\">registered no party preference in 2018\u003c/a>, citing the nonpartisan nature of the DA’s office and the fact that she has a range of liberal and conservative views on varying issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She worked as a prosecutor in Contra Costa and Solano counties before coming home to the Sacramento DA’s office in 1996. Elected district attorney there in 2014, she made headlines for helping\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11664637/suspected-golden-state-killer-a-former-police-officer-arrested-in-sacramento\"> crack the decades-old Golden State Killer case\u003c/a> using forensic DNA and genealogy databases; she also got heat in 2019 when she declined to charge two police officers who shot Stephon Clark to death in his grandmother’s backyard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert cites violent crime as a top priority, pledging to advocate in the Legislature for more money for law enforcement and longer criminal sentences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, she says, as attorney general, she would intervene in counties where she feels district attorneys aren’t being tough enough — by filing charges herself. San Francisco and Los Angeles are among the cities she has singled out, both of which have progressive district attorneys who are facing recalls and whom she has frequently targeted.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Anne Marie Schubert, candidate for attorney general\"]'I believe very much in public safety and victims' rights. And I've watched the demise of public safety around California. So I'm going to step into this role to help lead the state back to a balanced public safety system.'[/pullquote]“Clearly, the issue of violent crime is the most pressing. It's the issue of violent crime and illegal guns. So, you know, Day One or Week One or Month One … [the job] I think is to get control of violent crime. And that means working on your relationships across California with law enforcement, which I have already,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert is an outspoken critic of many of the state’s recent criminal justice reforms — including \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11114572/jerry-brown-pushes-earlier-release-of-felons-under-proposition-57\">Proposition 57\u003c/a>, a 2016 measure that offers shorter sentences to some prisoners who participate in rehabilitation programs. As attorney general, Schubert says she would help lead the push to change those types of laws. In the shorter term, she says, partnering with — and better funding — police agencies is key.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert also says the state needs to do a better job making sure programs aimed at helping criminal offenders actually work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s not just rehabilitation within the prison walls, but the reentry plans, the supervision that's necessary,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert says she is pro-abortion rights and will defend the “constitutional right for a woman to have an abortion,” as well as all other state laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am deeply disturbed and, quite frankly, shocked that our [U.S.] Supreme Court would overrule 50 years of legal precedent,” she said in a written statement, in response to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473\">recent leak of a draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Additionally, the concept that some states would criminalize a woman’s decision to seek an abortion is outrageous to me,” she added. “As a career prosecutor, I’ve had cases where women and children were raped and impregnated by their rapist. It’s reprehensible that some states want to ban a woman’s right to choose even under these acts of violence.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But on another hot-button issue — gun control — Schubert says the state needs more enforcement of existing laws, not new limits on guns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I get that there's people like Rob Bonta that want to pass more gun control, more gun control, more gun control,” she said. “This is a crime-control issue. This is about taking that gun out of the hands of convicted felons and the prohibited person that shouldn't have it.”[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The three right-of-center candidates running to replace California Attorney General Rob Bonta all advocate for tougher public safety measures and have questioned many of the state's recent criminal justice reforms, amid rising crime rates.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1654112435,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":46,"wordCount":2463},"headData":{"title":"Meet the Right-Leaning Candidates Vying to Replace Rob Bonta as California Attorney General | KQED","description":"The three right-of-center candidates running to replace California Attorney General Rob Bonta all advocate for tougher public safety measures and have questioned many of the state's recent criminal justice reforms, amid rising crime rates.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Meet the Right-Leaning Candidates Vying to Replace Rob Bonta as California Attorney General","datePublished":"2022-06-01T13:00:08.000Z","dateModified":"2022-06-01T19:40:35.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11914988 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11914988","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2022/06/01/meet-the-right-leaning-candidates-vying-to-replace-rob-bonta-as-california-attorney-general/","disqusTitle":"Meet the Right-Leaning Candidates Vying to Replace Rob Bonta as California Attorney General","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","path":"/news/11914988/meet-the-right-leaning-candidates-vying-to-replace-rob-bonta-as-california-attorney-general","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The race for attorney general in California has in some ways become a referendum on the broader tussle over whether criminal justice reform has gone too far in the state — and what the best course is to ensure public safety.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"criminal-justice-reform"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The incumbent, Democratic Attorney General Rob Bonta, was \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11865953/newsom-names-east-bay-assemblyman-rob-bonta-as-californias-new-attorney-general\">appointed to the role last year by Gov. Gavin Newsom \u003c/a>after Xavier Becerra vacated the post to become secretary of health and human services in the Biden administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bonta, who did not respond to repeated requests to talk to KQED for this story, is facing three challengers from the right: Sacramento District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert, a former Republican who is now registered as no party preference, as well as Republican lawyers Nathan Hochman and Eric Early. The four appear together in the June primary, and the top two vote-getters will face each other in the November general election. (A fifth candidate — Dan Kapelovitz, of the Green party — also is on the primary ballot.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The contest follows \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11906253/violent-crime-soared-during-the-pandemic-but-does-the-political-debate-reflect-the-data\">several years of increasing crime rates, both in California and across the nation\u003c/a>, a trend that's refocused attention on many of the criminal justice reforms Bonta championed as a lawmaker in the state Assembly, and one that's provided an opening for more conservative law-and-order candidates in this deep-blue state. All three of Bonta's challengers from the right have seized on \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11374335/lawmakers-aim-to-limit-cash-bail-say-it-punishes-poor-for-being-poor\">his support of policies like eliminating cash bail\u003c/a> and softening criminal sentencing laws as proof that he's not the best candidate for this moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KQED interviewed the three candidates to find out more about why they are running and what their priorities would be as the state's top law enforcement officer.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Eric Early: The pro-Trumper\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11915646\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1200px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11915646\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1.jpeg\" alt=\"A man stands at a podium gesticulating with his hands.\" width=\"1200\" height=\"867\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1.jpeg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1-800x578.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1-1020x737.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/early-1-160x116.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">California attorney general candidate Eric Early campaigns at an event at the Knott's Berry Farm Hotel near Anaheim in March. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Eric Early campaign)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The most conservative and Trump-like candidate in the race, Early runs a business and entertainment law firm and hosts a Friday night talk radio show on the Los Angeles AM station KABC.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He’s an unapologetic supporter of the former president and claims, despite all evidence to the contrary, that the 2020 election was stolen and dismisses well-documented reports of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race as a conspiracy theory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As some of his top credentials, Early cites his unsuccessful lawsuits \u003ca href=\"https://www.independent.com/2021/12/17/appeal-court-sides-with-just-communities-and-sbusd-on-appeal-of-fair-education-lawsuit/\">against a school over critical race theory\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://wvmetronews.com/2022/02/03/federal-judge-dismisses-don-blankenships-defamation-claims-against-media-companies/\">against news organizations over their coverage\u003c/a> of a Republican mining magnate and candidate for U.S. Senate. He also ran for Congress in 2020, challenging Trump critic Adam Schiff for the seat representing a large swath of Los Angeles County — and lost by \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-california-house-district-28.html\">some 55 points\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early says he’s running for attorney general on a key bread-and-butter issue: public safety. California is headed in the wrong direction, he argues, and insists he's the one to fix things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“First thing I would do on Day One is I would call a meeting,” Early said. “I would call in all the sheriffs, all the DAs, all the police chiefs, and we would have a roundtable discussion for as long as we needed to, because I want to hear from the experts on what they believe is needed to get to the bottom of what I call the creation of a criminal's paradise here in California.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early said he would use the bully pulpit to help push changes to laws he sees as problematic, \u003ca href=\"https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_47,_Reduced_Penalties_for_Some_Crimes_Initiative_(2014)#:~:text=Source-,Overview,a%20felony%20to%20a%20misdemeanor.\">including Proposition 47\u003c/a>, the 2014 ballot measure that lowered most drug possession charges to misdemeanors and raised the legal threshold to prosecute felony shoplifting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a lawyer, Early says, he has helped scores of people targeted by mortgage fraudsters. He also served as lead attorney in the unsuccessful effort to recall Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he’s never served in government — something he considers an asset.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I firmly believe government is the reason for our failures. It's time for somebody from out of government with my experience and background to get in and do what I can to help the people.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Eric Early, candidate for attorney general","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“I firmly believe government is the reason for our failures. It's time for somebody from out of government with my experience and background to get in and do what I can to help the people. And you know, I fight for all law-abiding citizens of all races, creeds, colors and sexual orientation,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although Early is anti-abortion rights, his spokesperson says he will uphold all laws, even those he disagrees with. But Early also told KQED he would use the office to investigate laws he believes could be unconstitutional, specifically noting that former Attorney General Jerry Brown \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Brown-first-in-decades-to-go-against-voters-3179147.php\">refused to defend California’s ban on same-sex marriage in 2008\u003c/a>, after voters passed Proposition 8.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early also indicated he might not consider all of California’s gun laws constitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The attorney general can look at whether or not a law should even be enforced if it is unconstitutional. The attorney general absolutely can support our Second Amendment right, which is what I do,” he said, without citing any specific state gun restrictions he was particularly concerned with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In recent years, the attorney general’s office has been \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-10/california-attorney-general-appeal-supporting-assault-weapon-ban\">in constant litigation\u003c/a> defending the state’s restrictive gun laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while Early is encouraging voters to cast their ballots for him in any format allowed — including by mail — he also said he has questions about the integrity of the state’s entire voting system, opposes universal vote-by-mail rules, and questions the security of electronic voting machines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If I get this job for attorney general, I will investigate our election apparatus,” he said, echoing a pledge made by pro-Trump candidates nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those ties to Trumpism make Early look like an easy target for Democrats in a state that overwhelmingly elected President Biden — groups backing Bonta have gone so far as to \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Why-backers-of-Democratic-Attorney-General-Rob-17163311.php\">run ads promoting Early\u003c/a> in the hopes that he will be the easiest of the three candidates to beat in November.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Nathan Hochman: 'The hard middle'\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11915624\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1050px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4.jpeg\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11915624\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4.jpeg\" alt=\"A man stands at a podium and speaks into a microphone.\" width=\"1050\" height=\"844\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4.jpeg 1050w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4-800x643.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4-1020x820.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/hochman4-160x129.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1050px) 100vw, 1050px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">California attorney general candidate Nathan Hochman speaks in May to a Republican women's group in Southern California. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Nathan Hochman campaign)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nathan Hochman says he may be a Republican and a former federal prosecutor, but hopes voters won’t pigeonhole him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My message is bipartisan. It's commonsense. It's pragmatic. It's what, if you were sitting around trying to figure out the solutions to these problems, most people would come up with,” he said. “And that's where I want to go. The hard middle.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A native Californian, Hochman says his career as a U.S. attorney and private defense lawyer has spanned the gamut from going after tax cheats, polluters and dirty cops to prosecuting political corruption and defending people accused of white-collar crimes. He notes he’s the only candidate who has been both a prosecutor and a defense attorney; he also served on the Los Angeles Ethics Commission for five years, including as its president for one of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hochman, for example, says he doesn’t think everyone needs to be locked up and that California should invest in alternatives to incarceration, including diversion programs, home detention and community service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like Bonta’s other challengers, Hochman cites public safety as his top issue and is critical of major criminal justice reforms, including Proposition 47. He also says he wants to use existing laws to prosecute fentanyl dealers and crack down on human trafficking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And he says California should invest in both a strong police force and law enforcement alternatives, rather than prioritizing just one.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'My message is bipartisan. It's commonsense. It's pragmatic. It's what, if you were sitting around trying to figure out the solutions to these problems, most people would come up with.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Nathan Hochman, candidate for attorney general","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>That varied experience, he says, “gives me an ability to calibrate who are the true public safety threats, who need to be imprisoned and taken off our streets, and who can serve their debt to society in some other way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People like to complain about the police, but then they want to actually cut their budget and assume they're actually going to get better at their job,” he said, while adding, “I also believe that social service organizations need to be funded.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hochman's spokesperson did not respond to a question about the candidate's position on abortion. Hochman, though, argues that “the job of the California attorney general is to defend and enforce the laws on the books of California. Full stop. If I wanted to make the laws, I'd run for a different position.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, Hochman pledges he would use the full power of the attorney general’s 4,500 lawyers to pursue both criminal and civil cases that matter to Californians — including investigating how fraudsters\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11893715/californias-unemployment-fraud-balloons-to-20-billion\"> bilked an estimated $20 billion in unemployment payments out of the state EDD\u003c/a>, and whether anyone in state government should be held accountable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While there’s already a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article256487486.html\">special counsel at the EDD\u003c/a> doing just that, as well as multiple investigations at the state and federal levels, Hochman argues the attorney general should be investigating as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would hold responsible the people who either fraudulently, corruptly or negligently allowed $25 billion [sic] to go out the door in a completely criminal way. You know, it was ripped off. I mean, that's shocking. And then I absolutely go after the people who ripped it off,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Anne Marie Schubert: The career prosecutor\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11915627\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1024px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11915627 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788.jpg\" alt=\"A woman speaks into a gaggle of media outlet microphones. Behind her is a sign that says, 'Sacramento County District Attorney's Office.'\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788.jpg 1024w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788-800x534.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2022/05/GettyImages-951226788-160x107.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sacramento District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert — who is now running for state attorney general — announces the arrest of accused rapist and killer Joseph James DeAngelo, known as the 'Golden State Killer,' during a news conference on April 25, 2018, in Sacramento. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Sacramento District Attorney \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11738034/sacramento-district-attorney-anne-marie-schubert-on-the-death-penalty-stephon-clark-and-forensic-dna\">Anne Marie Schubert\u003c/a> is a lifelong prosecutor — the reason, she argues, voters should make her California’s top cop.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why do I want this job? Because it's all I've ever done,” she said. “And I believe very much in public safety and victims' rights. And I've watched the demise of public safety around California. So I'm going to step into this role to help lead the state back to a balanced public safety system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert is a former Republican who \u003ca href=\"https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/marcos-breton/article213293889.html\">registered no party preference in 2018\u003c/a>, citing the nonpartisan nature of the DA’s office and the fact that she has a range of liberal and conservative views on varying issues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She worked as a prosecutor in Contra Costa and Solano counties before coming home to the Sacramento DA’s office in 1996. Elected district attorney there in 2014, she made headlines for helping\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11664637/suspected-golden-state-killer-a-former-police-officer-arrested-in-sacramento\"> crack the decades-old Golden State Killer case\u003c/a> using forensic DNA and genealogy databases; she also got heat in 2019 when she declined to charge two police officers who shot Stephon Clark to death in his grandmother’s backyard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert cites violent crime as a top priority, pledging to advocate in the Legislature for more money for law enforcement and longer criminal sentences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, she says, as attorney general, she would intervene in counties where she feels district attorneys aren’t being tough enough — by filing charges herself. San Francisco and Los Angeles are among the cities she has singled out, both of which have progressive district attorneys who are facing recalls and whom she has frequently targeted.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'I believe very much in public safety and victims' rights. And I've watched the demise of public safety around California. So I'm going to step into this role to help lead the state back to a balanced public safety system.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Anne Marie Schubert, candidate for attorney general","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Clearly, the issue of violent crime is the most pressing. It's the issue of violent crime and illegal guns. So, you know, Day One or Week One or Month One … [the job] I think is to get control of violent crime. And that means working on your relationships across California with law enforcement, which I have already,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert is an outspoken critic of many of the state’s recent criminal justice reforms — including \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11114572/jerry-brown-pushes-earlier-release-of-felons-under-proposition-57\">Proposition 57\u003c/a>, a 2016 measure that offers shorter sentences to some prisoners who participate in rehabilitation programs. As attorney general, Schubert says she would help lead the push to change those types of laws. In the shorter term, she says, partnering with — and better funding — police agencies is key.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert also says the state needs to do a better job making sure programs aimed at helping criminal offenders actually work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s not just rehabilitation within the prison walls, but the reentry plans, the supervision that's necessary,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schubert says she is pro-abortion rights and will defend the “constitutional right for a woman to have an abortion,” as well as all other state laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am deeply disturbed and, quite frankly, shocked that our [U.S.] Supreme Court would overrule 50 years of legal precedent,” she said in a written statement, in response to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473\">recent leak of a draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Additionally, the concept that some states would criminalize a woman’s decision to seek an abortion is outrageous to me,” she added. “As a career prosecutor, I’ve had cases where women and children were raped and impregnated by their rapist. It’s reprehensible that some states want to ban a woman’s right to choose even under these acts of violence.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But on another hot-button issue — gun control — Schubert says the state needs more enforcement of existing laws, not new limits on guns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I get that there's people like Rob Bonta that want to pass more gun control, more gun control, more gun control,” she said. “This is a crime-control issue. This is about taking that gun out of the hands of convicted felons and the prohibited person that shouldn't have it.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11914988/meet-the-right-leaning-candidates-vying-to-replace-rob-bonta-as-california-attorney-general","authors":["3239"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_24179","news_17699","news_6317","news_22276","news_30879","news_31072","news_27626","news_26816","news_24474","news_31134","news_18502","news_18418","news_3674"],"featImg":"news_11915618","label":"news"},"news_11844914":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11844914","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11844914","score":null,"sort":[1604350773000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"prop-20-law-and-order-proponents-soften-rhetoric-to-pick-up-votes","title":"Proposition 20: Law and Order Proponents Soften Rhetoric to Pick Up Votes","publishDate":1604350773,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Among the dozen ballot measures facing California voters this year is \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/proposition-20-crime-prosecutors-law-enforcement\">Proposition 20\u003c/a>, which seeks to roll back a series of criminal justice reforms passed over the last decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20 would increase penalties on some theft and fraud crimes and require people convicted of some misdemeanors to submit their DNA to a state database. It would also add more than a dozen new crimes to the list of what’s considered “violent” in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You could call it a “tough-on-crime” measure, but proponents of it are avoiding that rhetoric.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This initiative does not increase the prison population,\" said Richard Temple, a political consultant for Proposition 20.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because the way Californians talk — and think — about criminal justice has shifted dramatically in the past few decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University political science professor\"]'It used to be, even in California, that an effective campaign was to talk about law and order — that you were really, really for it as a Republican or that you weren't against it as a Democrat.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1990s, California led the nation in passing a spate of strict sentencing laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the harshest and most recognizable laws of that era was the 1994 three strikes law. The law put people in state prisons for decades after committing a third offense, even if it was a nonviolent crime. It passed with bipartisan support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It used to be, even in California, that an effective campaign was to talk about law and order — that you were really, really for it as a Republican or that you weren't against it as a Democrat,” said Fernando Guerra, a political science professor at Loyola Marymount University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the state packed its prisons and spending ballooned, however, public sentiment slowly began to change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2011, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that prisons were so overcrowded that conditions inside were unconstitutional, the state finally acted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>First, lawmakers passed a bill mandating jail, instead of prison time, for most nonviolent crimes. Then in 2014, voters passed Proposition 47, decreasing penalties for drug use and petty theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two years later, voters passed Proposition 57, letting thousands of prisoners qualify for early parole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All of the changes were approved over the objections of law enforcement, who warned they’d lead to spikes in crime. Supporters of those measures say that never happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You're in the midst right now of monumental decline in crime here in California,” said Maureen Washburn, a policy analyst at the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, which advocates for less incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In 2019, we actually reached the lowest level of crime in California in 50 years,” she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, those pushing a rollback of the reforms say there’s at least one area where crime has continued to climb: theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20 consultant Temple said theft has increased by 30% since Proposition 47 passed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20 would make it easier to charge someone with felony theft and easier to send someone back to jail for violating their probation. And adding crimes such as domestic violence and rape of an unconscious person to the list of violent crimes would prevent thousands of prisoners from being considered for early parole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple said it’s a simple concept: People who have committed violent crimes shouldn’t be eligible for early release.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, in this moment of racial reckoning and amid calls for more oversight of police and prisons, Temple and other Proposition 20 proponents are quick to contend that the measure won’t send any new people to prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It's written there that no matter what your theft, nobody goes to prison for stealing in a store, for shoplifting,” he said. “They won't go to prison. That's in the initiative. It cannot happen, and it won’t.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Technically, he’s right: Proposition 20 would likely send more people to county jails, not state prisons, while keeping some people in prison longer. However, for a ballot measure backed by prosecutors and police, the emphasis on keeping people out of prison is a noticeable shift away from “lock them up and throw away the key.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple also says Proposition 20 would help people with drug and mental health problems that are falling through the cracks. Many critics of Proposition 47 have complained for years that after the measure passed, prosecutors and courts lost leverage to push people into treatment. That's because without the threat of jail time, some offenders would just take a misdemeanor conviction instead of agreeing to participate in rehabilitation programs to avoid jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How is this taking care of them — by letting them over and over steal and not get treatment?” Temple said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside tag=\"election-2020\" label=\"election 2020 coverage\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guerra said this shift in language reflects the evolution that the state has gone through — voters aren't willing to simply take law enforcement's word for it that harsher laws are necessary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You say ‘law and order’ now, people ask, ‘OK, what does that mean?’ ” Guerra said. “In California and many progressive states, we're not going to accept the slogan ‘law and order’ without some meat on it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Opponents of Proposition 20 argue that despite the softer rhetoric from the other side, this is just the same playbook with a different script. They contend that the measure would likely undercut rehabilitation by redirecting money from community-based programs back to locking people up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Now is the time to go further with reform. But what Prop. 20 does is seek to send us back,” said Lenore Anderson, who helped to write some of the reforms that Proposition 20 is seeking to roll back. “Prop. 20 is an effort to return California to its tough-on-crime, mass incarceration past.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, it’ll be up to the voters to decide whether California has become too lenient, but Guerra said that if Proposition 20 passes, it will send an important message.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Clearly, there's been tremendous momentum from the criminal justice proponents,\" he said. But if Proposition 20 passes, Guerra said, it would indicate that voters think the reforms have gone too far.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If Proposition 20 fails, it could be that the criminal justice reforms are here to stay.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Supporters of stricter sentencing laws aren't using the \"tough-on-crime\" playbook this election, but are talking about the need for rehabilitation and keeping people out of prison.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1604363126,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":35,"wordCount":1100},"headData":{"title":"Proposition 20: Law and Order Proponents Soften Rhetoric to Pick Up Votes | KQED","description":"Supporters of stricter sentencing laws aren't using the "tough-on-crime" playbook this election, but are talking about the need for rehabilitation and keeping people out of prison.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Proposition 20: Law and Order Proponents Soften Rhetoric to Pick Up Votes","datePublished":"2020-11-02T20:59:33.000Z","dateModified":"2020-11-03T00:25:26.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11844914 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11844914","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/11/02/prop-20-law-and-order-proponents-soften-rhetoric-to-pick-up-votes/","disqusTitle":"Proposition 20: Law and Order Proponents Soften Rhetoric to Pick Up Votes","path":"/news/11844914/prop-20-law-and-order-proponents-soften-rhetoric-to-pick-up-votes","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Among the dozen ballot measures facing California voters this year is \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/voterguide/proposition-20-crime-prosecutors-law-enforcement\">Proposition 20\u003c/a>, which seeks to roll back a series of criminal justice reforms passed over the last decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20 would increase penalties on some theft and fraud crimes and require people convicted of some misdemeanors to submit their DNA to a state database. It would also add more than a dozen new crimes to the list of what’s considered “violent” in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You could call it a “tough-on-crime” measure, but proponents of it are avoiding that rhetoric.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This initiative does not increase the prison population,\" said Richard Temple, a political consultant for Proposition 20.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because the way Californians talk — and think — about criminal justice has shifted dramatically in the past few decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'It used to be, even in California, that an effective campaign was to talk about law and order — that you were really, really for it as a Republican or that you weren't against it as a Democrat.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University political science professor","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1990s, California led the nation in passing a spate of strict sentencing laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the harshest and most recognizable laws of that era was the 1994 three strikes law. The law put people in state prisons for decades after committing a third offense, even if it was a nonviolent crime. It passed with bipartisan support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It used to be, even in California, that an effective campaign was to talk about law and order — that you were really, really for it as a Republican or that you weren't against it as a Democrat,” said Fernando Guerra, a political science professor at Loyola Marymount University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the state packed its prisons and spending ballooned, however, public sentiment slowly began to change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2011, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that prisons were so overcrowded that conditions inside were unconstitutional, the state finally acted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>First, lawmakers passed a bill mandating jail, instead of prison time, for most nonviolent crimes. Then in 2014, voters passed Proposition 47, decreasing penalties for drug use and petty theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two years later, voters passed Proposition 57, letting thousands of prisoners qualify for early parole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All of the changes were approved over the objections of law enforcement, who warned they’d lead to spikes in crime. Supporters of those measures say that never happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You're in the midst right now of monumental decline in crime here in California,” said Maureen Washburn, a policy analyst at the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, which advocates for less incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In 2019, we actually reached the lowest level of crime in California in 50 years,” she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, those pushing a rollback of the reforms say there’s at least one area where crime has continued to climb: theft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20 consultant Temple said theft has increased by 30% since Proposition 47 passed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 20 would make it easier to charge someone with felony theft and easier to send someone back to jail for violating their probation. And adding crimes such as domestic violence and rape of an unconscious person to the list of violent crimes would prevent thousands of prisoners from being considered for early parole.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple said it’s a simple concept: People who have committed violent crimes shouldn’t be eligible for early release.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, in this moment of racial reckoning and amid calls for more oversight of police and prisons, Temple and other Proposition 20 proponents are quick to contend that the measure won’t send any new people to prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It's written there that no matter what your theft, nobody goes to prison for stealing in a store, for shoplifting,” he said. “They won't go to prison. That's in the initiative. It cannot happen, and it won’t.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Technically, he’s right: Proposition 20 would likely send more people to county jails, not state prisons, while keeping some people in prison longer. However, for a ballot measure backed by prosecutors and police, the emphasis on keeping people out of prison is a noticeable shift away from “lock them up and throw away the key.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple also says Proposition 20 would help people with drug and mental health problems that are falling through the cracks. Many critics of Proposition 47 have complained for years that after the measure passed, prosecutors and courts lost leverage to push people into treatment. That's because without the threat of jail time, some offenders would just take a misdemeanor conviction instead of agreeing to participate in rehabilitation programs to avoid jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How is this taking care of them — by letting them over and over steal and not get treatment?” Temple said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"election-2020","label":"election 2020 coverage "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guerra said this shift in language reflects the evolution that the state has gone through — voters aren't willing to simply take law enforcement's word for it that harsher laws are necessary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You say ‘law and order’ now, people ask, ‘OK, what does that mean?’ ” Guerra said. “In California and many progressive states, we're not going to accept the slogan ‘law and order’ without some meat on it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Opponents of Proposition 20 argue that despite the softer rhetoric from the other side, this is just the same playbook with a different script. They contend that the measure would likely undercut rehabilitation by redirecting money from community-based programs back to locking people up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Now is the time to go further with reform. But what Prop. 20 does is seek to send us back,” said Lenore Anderson, who helped to write some of the reforms that Proposition 20 is seeking to roll back. “Prop. 20 is an effort to return California to its tough-on-crime, mass incarceration past.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, it’ll be up to the voters to decide whether California has become too lenient, but Guerra said that if Proposition 20 passes, it will send an important message.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Clearly, there's been tremendous momentum from the criminal justice proponents,\" he said. But if Proposition 20 passes, Guerra said, it would indicate that voters think the reforms have gone too far.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If Proposition 20 fails, it could be that the criminal justice reforms are here to stay.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11844914/prop-20-law-and-order-proponents-soften-rhetoric-to-pick-up-votes","authors":["11523"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_27540","news_27508","news_18538","news_22276","news_27370","news_17968","news_283","news_18502","news_18418","news_1331"],"featImg":"news_11844944","label":"news"},"news_11826314":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11826314","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11826314","score":null,"sort":[1593732251000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"california-voters-asked-to-weigh-ballot-measures-that-could-reverse-hard-won-justice-reforms","title":"California Voters Asked to Weigh Ballot Measures That Could Reverse Hard-Won Justice Reforms","publishDate":1593732251,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED News","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>As the United States grapples with a national reckoning over race, policing and criminal justice, California voters will be asked this fall to roll back a handful of criminal justice reforms enacted over the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those reforms — some approved by lawmakers, others by voters — have helped\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11796149/voter-approved-criminal-justice-reform-expected-to-save-state-over-122-million\"> keep thousands of people out of jails and prisons\u003c/a> and allowed the state to redirect millions of dollars into \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11500306/103-million-in-prison-savings-awarded-to-23-california-cities-counties\">victims services and rehabilitation programs\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/17-0044%20%28Reducing%20Crime%29.pdf\">One of the ballot measures\u003c/a> slated for November, Proposition 20, would \u003ca href=\"https://keepcalsafe.org/\">reverse aspects of those reforms\u003c/a> by making it harder for some people to parole from state prison, and easier for others to be sent to prison or jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/18-0009%20%28Referendum%20of%20SB%2010%29.pdf\">other initiative\u003c/a>, Proposition 25, takes aim at a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689184/gov-brown-signs-bill-ending-cash-bail-in-california\">2018 law to eliminate cash bail\u003c/a> in California. That law, passed by the Legislature, never took effect after the bail industry \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11707702/referendum-to-block-bail-law-appears-headed-for-ballot\">gathered enough signatures to put the question before voters\u003c/a>. They are hoping the electorate overturns the law and keeps cash bail intact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But supporters of reform — who oppose both ballot measures — believe that in this moment, when conversations about race and policing and systemic racism have gripped the nation, public sentiment is on their side. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[aside tag=\"criminal-justice\" label=\"more related coverage\"]\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This feels like a real moment with staying power. ... the breadth and the depth of the outrage and the determination feels like it has enough momentum and staying power that it's unlikely to dissipate by November,\" said political consultant Dan Newman, who helped push many of the earlier reforms and is fighting against one of the ballot measures to overturn them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think people are looking for ways to channel what they know and believe into real action and real reform and make a difference,\" he added. \"So it's just sort of a matter of ensuring that they know: If you care about mass incarceration, if you care about racial injustice, here are some ways that you can really weigh in with power and make a difference.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not surprisingly, political consultants on the other side of the debate disagree. Richard Temple is running the campaign that would keep more people in prison by including crimes like rape of an unconscious person or domestic violence on the state list of violent offenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These things are violent, and the public knows that. And we as a campaign plan to stay focused on that,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple insisted that the ballot measure \"doesn't have anything to do with the other issues out there being debated,\" such as police brutality or racial inequality.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That's got to be dealt with by elected officials and the nation as a whole,\" Temple said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But both sides will have the challenge of explaining complicated issues to voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Bail Reform\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Critics of bail have long said the system discriminates against people who can’t afford to put up the cash to get out jail. But when Oakland Assemblyman Rob Bonta first introduced a bill at the end of 2016 aimed at simply limiting the use of cash bail, there was pushback — even in California’s Democrat-dominated Capitol.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There was a phrase that was going around called 'Bonta’s bill is a hug a thug.' Not a lot of nuance there,\" he said. \"[And] a lot of racism.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, Bonta and another Democrat, state Sen. Bob Hertzberg of Van Nuys, joined forces — and nearly two years later, succeeded in convincing California lawmakers and the governor, then Jerry Brown, to end cash bail in the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, in 2020, as voters are asked by the bail industry to overturn that law, bail has become a key focal point in conversations about inequality within America’s criminal justice system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since protests sparked by George Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis began in late May, an estimated 4 million people have poured more than $75 million into community bail funds. Those organizations offer an alternative to massive loans from bail bonds companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pilar Weiss, director of the Community Justice Exchange, a group that helps support that network of community bail funds, said the bail fund donations are proving to be an entry point for people to get more educated about mass incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's a first step that somebody donated to a community bail fund. That was the first time they realized that people in their community were still, often, held in a cage for an indefinite amount of time because of money,\" Weiss said. \"That connects also to the conversation about how our resources are being spent in their community, on police rather than on libraries, schools and safety centers. I think there's a lot of potential there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But she and other progressive groups aren't actually that supportive of the details of Bonta's bail measure, saying it could result in more people being kept in jail before their trial, because it leaves a lot of discretion up to judges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's a message that the bail industry and other supporters of retaining bail plan to focus on, said Mike Gatto, a former state Assemblyman who is consulting for the campaign to overturn bail reform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think a lot of people participating in recent bail drives [know that] if you, or a loved one, or someone you care about is in jail and they've been arrested, bail is an option for that person to get out,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The question that we have to talk about as a society is whether removing that option for families and for people who are behind bars is the right one?\" Gatto said. [ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Reversing Reforms\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Bail isn't the only criminal justice question before voters this November. Some police groups, district attorneys and victims groups are pushing the other initiative, which would reverse aspects of three laws — two enacted by voters — aimed at both reducing the number of people in crowded prisons and jails, and the amount of money the state spends locking people up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure would make it easier to charge someone with felony theft, and easier to send someone back to jail for violating their probation. It would also make it harder for many inmates to earn parole from state prison by expanding the list of crimes considered violent under state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple, the campaign consultant working to pass that measure, said he believes voters will agree that some people should stay locked up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Our polling shows that our message is stronger than the opponent's argument against us, because what we're trying to do, it is not complicated. It's simple,\" he said. \"These laws are not classified as violent. And we're going to continue to press on that.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But opponents of the measure said they will seize on the national conversation about racial injustice to highlight the vast racial disparities in California's criminal justice system. [pullquote size='medium' align='right' citation='Dan Newman, political consultant']'We know empirically that the approach that they are backing is not how you keep communities safe. You don't warehouse huge numbers of people, disproportionately Black and Brown people, behind bars. It's a failed approach and has proven to be wasteful, ineffective, unjust and racist.'[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For example: A \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11824855/report-ballot-measure-would-put-thousands-behind-bars-harm-communities-of-color\">recent report\u003c/a> by a group that advocates for less incarceration found if voters pass the ballot measure, it would disproportionately harm communities of color, drive up prison and jail populations and increase public spending on law enforcement and incarceration by hundreds of millions of dollars a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newman, the consultant opposing the measure, said he believes the calculation for voters has changed. Five years ago, he said, his side would have focused solely on public safety when making the case for reforms. Now, he says, it will also be a campaign about racial justice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We know empirically that the approach that they are backing is not how you keep communities safe. You don't warehouse huge numbers of people, disproportionately Black and Brown people, behind bars. It's a failed approach and has proven to be wasteful, ineffective, unjust and racist,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"How will the current political climate affect these 'tough on crime' ballot measures?","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1594935302,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":32,"wordCount":1362},"headData":{"title":"California Voters Asked to Weigh Ballot Measures That Could Reverse Hard-Won Justice Reforms | KQED","description":"How will the current political climate affect these 'tough on crime' ballot measures?","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"California Voters Asked to Weigh Ballot Measures That Could Reverse Hard-Won Justice Reforms","datePublished":"2020-07-02T23:24:11.000Z","dateModified":"2020-07-16T21:35:02.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11826314 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11826314","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2020/07/02/california-voters-asked-to-weigh-ballot-measures-that-could-reverse-hard-won-justice-reforms/","disqusTitle":"California Voters Asked to Weigh Ballot Measures That Could Reverse Hard-Won Justice Reforms","audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/9b6f5b0d-78d8-4f58-9f07-abec01294d1b/audio.mp3","path":"/news/11826314/california-voters-asked-to-weigh-ballot-measures-that-could-reverse-hard-won-justice-reforms","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>As the United States grapples with a national reckoning over race, policing and criminal justice, California voters will be asked this fall to roll back a handful of criminal justice reforms enacted over the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those reforms — some approved by lawmakers, others by voters — have helped\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11796149/voter-approved-criminal-justice-reform-expected-to-save-state-over-122-million\"> keep thousands of people out of jails and prisons\u003c/a> and allowed the state to redirect millions of dollars into \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11500306/103-million-in-prison-savings-awarded-to-23-california-cities-counties\">victims services and rehabilitation programs\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/17-0044%20%28Reducing%20Crime%29.pdf\">One of the ballot measures\u003c/a> slated for November, Proposition 20, would \u003ca href=\"https://keepcalsafe.org/\">reverse aspects of those reforms\u003c/a> by making it harder for some people to parole from state prison, and easier for others to be sent to prison or jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/18-0009%20%28Referendum%20of%20SB%2010%29.pdf\">other initiative\u003c/a>, Proposition 25, takes aim at a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689184/gov-brown-signs-bill-ending-cash-bail-in-california\">2018 law to eliminate cash bail\u003c/a> in California. That law, passed by the Legislature, never took effect after the bail industry \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11707702/referendum-to-block-bail-law-appears-headed-for-ballot\">gathered enough signatures to put the question before voters\u003c/a>. They are hoping the electorate overturns the law and keeps cash bail intact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But supporters of reform — who oppose both ballot measures — believe that in this moment, when conversations about race and policing and systemic racism have gripped the nation, public sentiment is on their side. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"criminal-justice","label":"more related coverage "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This feels like a real moment with staying power. ... the breadth and the depth of the outrage and the determination feels like it has enough momentum and staying power that it's unlikely to dissipate by November,\" said political consultant Dan Newman, who helped push many of the earlier reforms and is fighting against one of the ballot measures to overturn them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think people are looking for ways to channel what they know and believe into real action and real reform and make a difference,\" he added. \"So it's just sort of a matter of ensuring that they know: If you care about mass incarceration, if you care about racial injustice, here are some ways that you can really weigh in with power and make a difference.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not surprisingly, political consultants on the other side of the debate disagree. Richard Temple is running the campaign that would keep more people in prison by including crimes like rape of an unconscious person or domestic violence on the state list of violent offenses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"These things are violent, and the public knows that. And we as a campaign plan to stay focused on that,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple insisted that the ballot measure \"doesn't have anything to do with the other issues out there being debated,\" such as police brutality or racial inequality.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That's got to be dealt with by elected officials and the nation as a whole,\" Temple said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But both sides will have the challenge of explaining complicated issues to voters.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Bail Reform\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Critics of bail have long said the system discriminates against people who can’t afford to put up the cash to get out jail. But when Oakland Assemblyman Rob Bonta first introduced a bill at the end of 2016 aimed at simply limiting the use of cash bail, there was pushback — even in California’s Democrat-dominated Capitol.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There was a phrase that was going around called 'Bonta’s bill is a hug a thug.' Not a lot of nuance there,\" he said. \"[And] a lot of racism.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, Bonta and another Democrat, state Sen. Bob Hertzberg of Van Nuys, joined forces — and nearly two years later, succeeded in convincing California lawmakers and the governor, then Jerry Brown, to end cash bail in the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, in 2020, as voters are asked by the bail industry to overturn that law, bail has become a key focal point in conversations about inequality within America’s criminal justice system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since protests sparked by George Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis began in late May, an estimated 4 million people have poured more than $75 million into community bail funds. Those organizations offer an alternative to massive loans from bail bonds companies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pilar Weiss, director of the Community Justice Exchange, a group that helps support that network of community bail funds, said the bail fund donations are proving to be an entry point for people to get more educated about mass incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It's a first step that somebody donated to a community bail fund. That was the first time they realized that people in their community were still, often, held in a cage for an indefinite amount of time because of money,\" Weiss said. \"That connects also to the conversation about how our resources are being spent in their community, on police rather than on libraries, schools and safety centers. I think there's a lot of potential there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But she and other progressive groups aren't actually that supportive of the details of Bonta's bail measure, saying it could result in more people being kept in jail before their trial, because it leaves a lot of discretion up to judges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's a message that the bail industry and other supporters of retaining bail plan to focus on, said Mike Gatto, a former state Assemblyman who is consulting for the campaign to overturn bail reform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think a lot of people participating in recent bail drives [know that] if you, or a loved one, or someone you care about is in jail and they've been arrested, bail is an option for that person to get out,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The question that we have to talk about as a society is whether removing that option for families and for people who are behind bars is the right one?\" Gatto said. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Reversing Reforms\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Bail isn't the only criminal justice question before voters this November. Some police groups, district attorneys and victims groups are pushing the other initiative, which would reverse aspects of three laws — two enacted by voters — aimed at both reducing the number of people in crowded prisons and jails, and the amount of money the state spends locking people up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure would make it easier to charge someone with felony theft, and easier to send someone back to jail for violating their probation. It would also make it harder for many inmates to earn parole from state prison by expanding the list of crimes considered violent under state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple, the campaign consultant working to pass that measure, said he believes voters will agree that some people should stay locked up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Our polling shows that our message is stronger than the opponent's argument against us, because what we're trying to do, it is not complicated. It's simple,\" he said. \"These laws are not classified as violent. And we're going to continue to press on that.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But opponents of the measure said they will seize on the national conversation about racial injustice to highlight the vast racial disparities in California's criminal justice system. \u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"'We know empirically that the approach that they are backing is not how you keep communities safe. You don't warehouse huge numbers of people, disproportionately Black and Brown people, behind bars. It's a failed approach and has proven to be wasteful, ineffective, unjust and racist.'","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Dan Newman, political consultant","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For example: A \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11824855/report-ballot-measure-would-put-thousands-behind-bars-harm-communities-of-color\">recent report\u003c/a> by a group that advocates for less incarceration found if voters pass the ballot measure, it would disproportionately harm communities of color, drive up prison and jail populations and increase public spending on law enforcement and incarceration by hundreds of millions of dollars a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newman, the consultant opposing the measure, said he believes the calculation for voters has changed. Five years ago, he said, his side would have focused solely on public safety when making the case for reforms. Now, he says, it will also be a campaign about racial justice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We know empirically that the approach that they are backing is not how you keep communities safe. You don't warehouse huge numbers of people, disproportionately Black and Brown people, behind bars. It's a failed approach and has proven to be wasteful, ineffective, unjust and racist,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11826314/california-voters-asked-to-weigh-ballot-measures-that-could-reverse-hard-won-justice-reforms","authors":["3239"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_18821","news_24889","news_17725","news_18502","news_18418"],"featImg":"news_11827282","label":"news"},"news_11824855":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11824855","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11824855","score":null,"sort":[1592463932000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"report-ballot-measure-would-put-thousands-behind-bars-harm-communities-of-color","title":"Report: Ballot Measure Would Put Thousands Behind Bars, Harm Communities of Color","publishDate":1592463932,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>A November ballot measure that would roll back a number of recent criminal justice reforms would disproportionally harm communities of color, according to \u003ca href=\"http://www.cjcj.org/news/12895\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a report\u003c/a> being released today by a nonprofit advocating for less incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The analysis by the \u003ca href=\"http://www.cjcj.org/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, or CJCJ, \u003c/a>found that the \u003ca href=\"https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/17-0044%20%28Reducing%20Crime%29.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">proposed initiative\u003c/a> would drive up prison and jail populations, increase public spending on law enforcement and incarceration by hundreds of millions of dollars a year, in addition to diverting resources from programs that rehabilitate former offenders, and generally hurt communities of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proponents of the measure rejected those contentions, saying it was narrowly written to only impact a small group of violent offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Maureen Washburn, a policy analyst at CJCJ, noted that crime has continued to fall in California as reforms took place over the past decade — and any reversal of those changes would disproportionately impact communities of color in California, who are incarcerated at higher rates than whites.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In the moment we're in, I think this initiative is especially dissonant,\" said Washburn, who co-authored the report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said that's particularly true at a time of national protests over police brutality and racism — and as the state, cities and counties all face massive budget shortfalls because of the economic harm caused by the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When we're considering ... a proposal that would increase penalties for low-level offenses, in a system that's already profoundly biased against Black, indigenous and Latino Californians, I think it's clear that it would only extend the harm of our criminal justice system,\" Washburn said, trapping \"more and more Californians in that really difficult-to-escape cycle of entering and exiting jails and courts and probation.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure, backed by some law enforcement officials and victims rights groups, aims to pare down some of the sweeping criminal justice reforms enacted in California over the past decade. Broadly, it would make it easier to charge someone with felony theft and easier to send someone back to jail for violating their probation; and harder for many inmates to earn parole from state prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It would do so by reversing aspects of three laws — two enacted by voters — aimed at both reducing the number of people in crowded prisons and jails and the amount of money the state spends locking people up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the past five years, one of those measures — \u003ca href=\"https://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2014/general/en/pdf/proposition-47-title-summary-analysis.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Proposition 47\u003c/a> — has allowed $350 million to be\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11796149/voter-approved-criminal-justice-reform-expected-to-save-state-over-122-million\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> redirected\u003c/a> from prisons to victims services, schools and treatment programs. Prop. 47 reduced many nonviolent and drug-related crimes from felonies to misdemeanors, and allowed people previously convicted of those offenses to petition a court to have them reduced to misdemeanors. It took the savings achieved from lower prison and jail populations and redirected them toward community programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the November initiative would reverse portions of Prop. 47, making it easier to charge someone with felony theft. The report estimates that change alone could result in an additional 4,900 to 9,900 felony arrests per year — costing taxpayers an additional $154 million to $457 million a year in court, probation, jail and prison costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"So the big takeaway for us on the fiscal side, at least, is that this is going to be hugely expensive,\" Washburn said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, she added, \"I think that the far greater costs of an initiative like this are going to be borne by communities and families and people that are swept up in a more punitive system.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure also seeks to roll back some aspects of \u003ca href=\"https://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2016/general/en/pdf/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop57\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Proposition 57\u003c/a>, a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11114572/jerry-brown-pushes-earlier-release-of-felons-under-proposition-57\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2016 ballot measure written by former Gov. Jerry Brown\u003c/a>; and Assembly Bill 109, which lawmakers approved in 2011.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prop. 57 gave some state prisoners the opportunity to shorten their sentences by participating in rehabilitation programs. State officials say by next year, it will have resulted in some 8,600 inmates serving shorter prison sentences, and is saving taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.courts.ca.gov/partners/documents/chronicle_prison_reform_article_10-2-2011.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">AB 109, also known as realignment\u003c/a>, requires people convicted of nonviolent, nonserious, nonsexual crimes to serve their sentences in local jails instead of state prisons. It\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11108031/five-years-later-many-see-criminal-justice-realignment-as-success\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> helped reduce the state's prison population by tens of thousands of inmates\u003c/a>, and was intended to address a U.S. Supreme Court order to reduce the population in California's overcrowded prisons. The courts found that the overcrowding was resulting in inadequate medical care and violating inmates' constitutional rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the CJCJ report states that many of the gains made by Propositions 47 and 57, and AB 109, would be reversed if the proposed ballot measure is approved by voters. In the first five years, it could drive up state costs by $2.3 billion, money that could otherwise be spent on \"programs that address the root causes of crime,\" the report states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report also states it would drive up prison and jail populations, potentially putting California in violation of the Supreme Court order, leading to more lawsuits and forcing county sheriffs to release some inmates early.[aside tag=\"politics\" label=\"More Related Stories\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More generally, the report finds, the initiative would pull more people into the criminal justice system — and by prioritizing punishment over treatment, \"could result in more people trapped in a pattern of low-level crime.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Assemblyman Jim Cooper, a former police officer who helped write the measure, said he does not believe it will lead to a drastic increase in jail or prison populations. He said it was carefully crafted to target violent offenders ineligible for earlier reforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"While it will increase some costs, the universe is not that big, and it keeps bad people in jail. So if you're pimping a kid or raping a woman, you are a bad person and you should do your time. That’s all I’m saying,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cooper said he doesn't believe the reforms have saved as much money — or benefited communities — as much as the other side contends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Washburn said any reduction in spending on rehabilitation and other programs that help people turn their lives around, could actually make California communities less safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Crime rates, she notes, have continued to fall over the past decade, as these reforms were implemented.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think that there's a real argument to be made that this initiative — in addition to increasing costs in the criminal justice system — would really siphon funds that are necessary for community-based programs, for prevention, for treatment, for the things that keep people out of the system in the first place,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This initiative, rather than increasing community safety, actually puts communities at risk of potential increases in crime.\"\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"'This initiative ... actually puts communities at risk of potential increases in crime,' said policy analyst Maureen Washburn on a ballot measure that would disproportionally harm communities of color, according to a new report.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1592516932,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":28,"wordCount":1126},"headData":{"title":"Report: Ballot Measure Would Put Thousands Behind Bars, Harm Communities of Color | KQED","description":"'This initiative ... actually puts communities at risk of potential increases in crime,' said policy analyst Maureen Washburn on a ballot measure that would disproportionally harm communities of color, according to a new 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Color","source":"News","sourceUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/perspectives/2020/06/LagosCriminalJustice.mp3","path":"/news/11824855/report-ballot-measure-would-put-thousands-behind-bars-harm-communities-of-color","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A November ballot measure that would roll back a number of recent criminal justice reforms would disproportionally harm communities of color, according to \u003ca href=\"http://www.cjcj.org/news/12895\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">a report\u003c/a> being released today by a nonprofit advocating for less incarceration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The analysis by the \u003ca href=\"http://www.cjcj.org/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, or CJCJ, \u003c/a>found that the \u003ca href=\"https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/17-0044%20%28Reducing%20Crime%29.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">proposed initiative\u003c/a> would drive up prison and jail populations, increase public spending on law enforcement and incarceration by hundreds of millions of dollars a year, in addition to diverting resources from programs that rehabilitate former offenders, and generally hurt communities of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proponents of the measure rejected those contentions, saying it was narrowly written to only impact a small group of violent offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Maureen Washburn, a policy analyst at CJCJ, noted that crime has continued to fall in California as reforms took place over the past decade — and any reversal of those changes would disproportionately impact communities of color in California, who are incarcerated at higher rates than whites.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"In the moment we're in, I think this initiative is especially dissonant,\" said Washburn, who co-authored the report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She said that's particularly true at a time of national protests over police brutality and racism — and as the state, cities and counties all face massive budget shortfalls because of the economic harm caused by the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"When we're considering ... a proposal that would increase penalties for low-level offenses, in a system that's already profoundly biased against Black, indigenous and Latino Californians, I think it's clear that it would only extend the harm of our criminal justice system,\" Washburn said, trapping \"more and more Californians in that really difficult-to-escape cycle of entering and exiting jails and courts and probation.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure, backed by some law enforcement officials and victims rights groups, aims to pare down some of the sweeping criminal justice reforms enacted in California over the past decade. Broadly, it would make it easier to charge someone with felony theft and easier to send someone back to jail for violating their probation; and harder for many inmates to earn parole from state prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It would do so by reversing aspects of three laws — two enacted by voters — aimed at both reducing the number of people in crowded prisons and jails and the amount of money the state spends locking people up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the past five years, one of those measures — \u003ca href=\"https://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2014/general/en/pdf/proposition-47-title-summary-analysis.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Proposition 47\u003c/a> — has allowed $350 million to be\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11796149/voter-approved-criminal-justice-reform-expected-to-save-state-over-122-million\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> redirected\u003c/a> from prisons to victims services, schools and treatment programs. Prop. 47 reduced many nonviolent and drug-related crimes from felonies to misdemeanors, and allowed people previously convicted of those offenses to petition a court to have them reduced to misdemeanors. It took the savings achieved from lower prison and jail populations and redirected them toward community programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the November initiative would reverse portions of Prop. 47, making it easier to charge someone with felony theft. The report estimates that change alone could result in an additional 4,900 to 9,900 felony arrests per year — costing taxpayers an additional $154 million to $457 million a year in court, probation, jail and prison costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"So the big takeaway for us on the fiscal side, at least, is that this is going to be hugely expensive,\" Washburn said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, she added, \"I think that the far greater costs of an initiative like this are going to be borne by communities and families and people that are swept up in a more punitive system.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The ballot measure also seeks to roll back some aspects of \u003ca href=\"https://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2016/general/en/pdf/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop57\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Proposition 57\u003c/a>, a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11114572/jerry-brown-pushes-earlier-release-of-felons-under-proposition-57\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2016 ballot measure written by former Gov. Jerry Brown\u003c/a>; and Assembly Bill 109, which lawmakers approved in 2011.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prop. 57 gave some state prisoners the opportunity to shorten their sentences by participating in rehabilitation programs. State officials say by next year, it will have resulted in some 8,600 inmates serving shorter prison sentences, and is saving taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.courts.ca.gov/partners/documents/chronicle_prison_reform_article_10-2-2011.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">AB 109, also known as realignment\u003c/a>, requires people convicted of nonviolent, nonserious, nonsexual crimes to serve their sentences in local jails instead of state prisons. It\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11108031/five-years-later-many-see-criminal-justice-realignment-as-success\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> helped reduce the state's prison population by tens of thousands of inmates\u003c/a>, and was intended to address a U.S. Supreme Court order to reduce the population in California's overcrowded prisons. The courts found that the overcrowding was resulting in inadequate medical care and violating inmates' constitutional rights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the CJCJ report states that many of the gains made by Propositions 47 and 57, and AB 109, would be reversed if the proposed ballot measure is approved by voters. In the first five years, it could drive up state costs by $2.3 billion, money that could otherwise be spent on \"programs that address the root causes of crime,\" the report states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report also states it would drive up prison and jail populations, potentially putting California in violation of the Supreme Court order, leading to more lawsuits and forcing county sheriffs to release some inmates early.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"politics","label":"More Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More generally, the report finds, the initiative would pull more people into the criminal justice system — and by prioritizing punishment over treatment, \"could result in more people trapped in a pattern of low-level crime.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Democratic Assemblyman Jim Cooper, a former police officer who helped write the measure, said he does not believe it will lead to a drastic increase in jail or prison populations. He said it was carefully crafted to target violent offenders ineligible for earlier reforms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"While it will increase some costs, the universe is not that big, and it keeps bad people in jail. So if you're pimping a kid or raping a woman, you are a bad person and you should do your time. That’s all I’m saying,\" he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cooper said he doesn't believe the reforms have saved as much money — or benefited communities — as much as the other side contends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Washburn said any reduction in spending on rehabilitation and other programs that help people turn their lives around, could actually make California communities less safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Crime rates, she notes, have continued to fall over the past decade, as these reforms were implemented.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I think that there's a real argument to be made that this initiative — in addition to increasing costs in the criminal justice system — would really siphon funds that are necessary for community-based programs, for prevention, for treatment, for the things that keep people out of the system in the first place,\" she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"This initiative, rather than increasing community safety, actually puts communities at risk of potential increases in crime.\"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11824855/report-ballot-measure-would-put-thousands-behind-bars-harm-communities-of-color","authors":["3239"],"programs":["news_72"],"categories":["news_6188","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_5294","news_2839","news_22276","news_17968","news_18502","news_18418","news_765"],"featImg":"news_11825065","label":"source_news_11824855"},"news_11796149":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11796149","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11796149","score":null,"sort":[1579179674000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"voter-approved-criminal-justice-reform-expected-to-save-state-over-122-million","title":"Proposition 47 Criminal Justice Reform Projected to Save State Over $122 Million","publishDate":1579179674,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Five years after California voters embraced a ballot measure aimed at sending fewer people to prison and investing more in victims services, schools and treatment programs, \u003ca href=\"https://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2014/general/en/pdf/proposition-47-title-summary-analysis.pdf\">Proposition 47\u003c/a> is projected to save a record $122.5 million next fiscal year by keeping 4,569 inmates out of state prisons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The decrease in inmates, and commensurate savings, has allowed California to \u003ca href=\"http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/2020-21/pdf/BudgetSummary/PublicSafety.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">end its contracts with private, out-of-state prisons\u003c/a>, while reducing a prison population that was at \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24scotus.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">crisis levels\u003c/a> a decade ago, Gov. Gavin Newsom said recently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The more than $122 million represents the biggest estimated Proposition 47 savings to date — a $44 million increase from the previous fiscal year — but it comes as the criminal justice reform faces its biggest challenge, in the form of an \u003ca href=\"https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/17-0044%20%28Reducing%20Crime%29.pdf\">initiative\u003c/a> slated for the November ballot that would roll back some of its provisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Lenore Anderson, founder and president of Californians for Safety and Justice, which wrote Proposition 47, said she sees the budget news as an opportunity to educate voters about the benefits of keeping the reforms in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are very excited that the amount of money saved annually keeps increasing — that’s certainly the goal,\" she said. \"The idea was not just reduce incarceration at the state level, but to reduce the imbalanced way that state public safety dollars are invested in the state. We can't continue to put all the money at the back end in these sort of bloated and costly prisons and expect an effective approach to public safety.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47, which was approved by 59% of voters in 2014, calls for many nonviolent crimes, such as drug possession and petty theft, to be charged as misdemeanors instead of felonies. That's resulted in fewer people being sent to state prisons, providing the monetary savings reflected in Newsom's budget.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47.png\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11796447\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"3070\" height=\"2360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47.png 3070w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-160x123.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-800x615.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1020x784.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1200x922.png 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1920x1476.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3070px) 100vw, 3070px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anderson said the result of that savings is two-fold: One, the money is reinvested in programs aimed at preventing future crimes from occurring. That includes trauma recovery services for victims and public school programs that support kids who are at risk of dropping out or are victims of crime themselves. It also includes grants for mental health, substance abuse and diversion programs for criminal offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The number one predictor of someone becoming a victim of crime in the future is if they have been a victim in the past,\" Anderson said. \"When we talk about giving victims a chance to recover from crime and get safe and get on a pathway to recovery, we are actually talking about preventing future victimization.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The second impact: Californians are no longer being sent to costly private prisons in other states. Anderson said the benefits of that change are enormous as well, since inmates have a much better chance of succeeding once they exit prison if they've been able to stay connected with family and community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure has also allowed \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2015/08/30/435513407/their-crimes-reclassified-some-californian-felons-get-a-second-chance\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">some Californians to turn their lives around\u003c/a>. The law allows people previously convicted of these nonviolent crimes to petition courts to have their sentences reduced to misdemeanors, a change that has allowed many people to leave prison or jail early, and to wipe clean past conviction records that can \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11692123/criminal-convictions-vex-8-million-californians-advocates-see-hope-for-relief\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">prevent ex-offenders from getting jobs\u003c/a> or participating in society in other ways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1.png\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11796451\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"3930\" height=\"2135\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1.png 3930w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-160x87.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-800x435.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-1020x554.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-1200x652.png 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-1920x1043.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3930px) 100vw, 3930px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But law enforcement groups have long opposed the measure, saying it has resulted in an uptick of shoplifting and property crimes, such as car break-ins. They are running a ballot measure in November that would allow prosecutors to charge some theft and fraud crimes as felonies again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It would also require people who benefited from Proposition 47 by being charged with misdemeanors instead of felonies to hand over their DNA to state and federal government databases.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State assemblyman Jim Cooper, D-Elk Grove, who was a 30-year law enforcement veteran before being elected to the Legislature, helped write the new ballot measure. He said while saving money and ending private prison contracts is a good thing, Proposition 47 has resulted in more shoplifting by theft rings, more crowded county jails and less success in drug courts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Cooper rejected the idea that his ballot measure would reverse the positive gains from Proposition 47, saying it could result in more people being sentenced to county jail but not state prison, and that any increase in corrections spending would be minor compared to the overall savings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"criminal-justice-reform\"] \"The biggest thing is that [my ballot measure] does not send anybody back to prison,\" Cooper said. \"So the folks that are opposed to it, to be honest, are just liars — they are being dishonest and disingenuous when they talk about it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert, who is also backing the new initiative, added that Proposition 47 removed leverage from judges in drug courts, and that the November measure would help fix that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There is nothing about the 2020 ballot initiative that would increase the prison population,\" she said. \"Rather, it enables the justice system to impose meaningful sentences that will encourage those with drug addiction to seek rehabilitation and treatment. Prior to the passage of Prop. 47, our drug courts showed demonstrable success, but were gutted when Prop. 47 became law.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The new initiative would also roll back portions of another ballot measure, \u003ca href=\"https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/proposition57/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Proposition 57\u003c/a>, which voters passed overwhelmingly in 2016, and make it harder for some inmates to get parole from state prison. Proposition 57 will reduce the prison population by some 8,600 inmates next fiscal year, according to state estimates; the new ballot measure would likely reduce that number, though it isn't clear by how much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom, who has embraced criminal justice reforms like Proposition 47, indicated last week that he will campaign against the 2020 ballot measure; and former Gov. Jerry Brown, who wrote Proposition 57, has indicated he may use his \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11655202/governor-jerry-brown-prepares-to-protect-criminal-justice-reforms\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">remaining campaign funds\u003c/a> to oppose it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Cooper said he hopes to convince voters that his ballot measure makes sense. He noted that California has embraced a number of wide-ranging criminal justice reforms over the past decade — \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11714104/jerry-brown-will-leave-lasting-impact-on-criminal-justice-in-california\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">many led by Brown\u003c/a> — but that some need tweaks to succeed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We’ve done a lot reforms, there have been some good reforms, but there's been no look-back on the reforms, and people here in the [Capitol] building will tell you quite candidly that there’s been some mistakes made in those reforms,\" he said. \"But no one is willing to go back and change those mistakes.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Proposition 47 has resulted in substantial state savings and an end to private out-of-state prison contracts. But a 2020 ballot initiative, sponsored by law enforcement groups, would roll back some of its provisions. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1580428616,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":25,"wordCount":1103},"headData":{"title":"Proposition 47 Criminal Justice Reform Projected to Save State Over $122 Million | KQED","description":"Proposition 47 has resulted in substantial state savings and an end to private out-of-state prison contracts. But a 2020 ballot initiative, sponsored by law enforcement groups, would roll back some of its provisions. 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Gavin Newsom said recently.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The more than $122 million represents the biggest estimated Proposition 47 savings to date — a $44 million increase from the previous fiscal year — but it comes as the criminal justice reform faces its biggest challenge, in the form of an \u003ca href=\"https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/17-0044%20%28Reducing%20Crime%29.pdf\">initiative\u003c/a> slated for the November ballot that would roll back some of its provisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Lenore Anderson, founder and president of Californians for Safety and Justice, which wrote Proposition 47, said she sees the budget news as an opportunity to educate voters about the benefits of keeping the reforms in place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We are very excited that the amount of money saved annually keeps increasing — that’s certainly the goal,\" she said. \"The idea was not just reduce incarceration at the state level, but to reduce the imbalanced way that state public safety dollars are invested in the state. We can't continue to put all the money at the back end in these sort of bloated and costly prisons and expect an effective approach to public safety.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposition 47, which was approved by 59% of voters in 2014, calls for many nonviolent crimes, such as drug possession and petty theft, to be charged as misdemeanors instead of felonies. That's resulted in fewer people being sent to state prisons, providing the monetary savings reflected in Newsom's budget.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47.png\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11796447\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"3070\" height=\"2360\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47.png 3070w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-160x123.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-800x615.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1020x784.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1200x922.png 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1920x1476.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3070px) 100vw, 3070px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anderson said the result of that savings is two-fold: One, the money is reinvested in programs aimed at preventing future crimes from occurring. That includes trauma recovery services for victims and public school programs that support kids who are at risk of dropping out or are victims of crime themselves. It also includes grants for mental health, substance abuse and diversion programs for criminal offenders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The number one predictor of someone becoming a victim of crime in the future is if they have been a victim in the past,\" Anderson said. \"When we talk about giving victims a chance to recover from crime and get safe and get on a pathway to recovery, we are actually talking about preventing future victimization.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The second impact: Californians are no longer being sent to costly private prisons in other states. Anderson said the benefits of that change are enormous as well, since inmates have a much better chance of succeeding once they exit prison if they've been able to stay connected with family and community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The measure has also allowed \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2015/08/30/435513407/their-crimes-reclassified-some-californian-felons-get-a-second-chance\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">some Californians to turn their lives around\u003c/a>. The law allows people previously convicted of these nonviolent crimes to petition courts to have their sentences reduced to misdemeanors, a change that has allowed many people to leave prison or jail early, and to wipe clean past conviction records that can \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11692123/criminal-convictions-vex-8-million-californians-advocates-see-hope-for-relief\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">prevent ex-offenders from getting jobs\u003c/a> or participating in society in other ways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1.png\">\u003cimg class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11796451\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"3930\" height=\"2135\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1.png 3930w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-160x87.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-800x435.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-1020x554.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-1200x652.png 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2020/01/prop-47-1-1920x1043.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 3930px) 100vw, 3930px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But law enforcement groups have long opposed the measure, saying it has resulted in an uptick of shoplifting and property crimes, such as car break-ins. They are running a ballot measure in November that would allow prosecutors to charge some theft and fraud crimes as felonies again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It would also require people who benefited from Proposition 47 by being charged with misdemeanors instead of felonies to hand over their DNA to state and federal government databases.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State assemblyman Jim Cooper, D-Elk Grove, who was a 30-year law enforcement veteran before being elected to the Legislature, helped write the new ballot measure. He said while saving money and ending private prison contracts is a good thing, Proposition 47 has resulted in more shoplifting by theft rings, more crowded county jails and less success in drug courts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Cooper rejected the idea that his ballot measure would reverse the positive gains from Proposition 47, saying it could result in more people being sentenced to county jail but not state prison, and that any increase in corrections spending would be minor compared to the overall savings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"related coverage ","tag":"criminal-justice-reform"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp> \"The biggest thing is that [my ballot measure] does not send anybody back to prison,\" Cooper said. \"So the folks that are opposed to it, to be honest, are just liars — they are being dishonest and disingenuous when they talk about it.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert, who is also backing the new initiative, added that Proposition 47 removed leverage from judges in drug courts, and that the November measure would help fix that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There is nothing about the 2020 ballot initiative that would increase the prison population,\" she said. \"Rather, it enables the justice system to impose meaningful sentences that will encourage those with drug addiction to seek rehabilitation and treatment. 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