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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When 23andMe filed for bankruptcy earlier this year, it set off alarm bells among privacy experts and consumers alike. According to a \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://today.yougov.com/health/articles/51527-what-americans-think-about-home-dna-tests-poll\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2025 survey\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, about 1 in 5 Americans has taken a home DNA test. Among those who haven’t, privacy ranks as one of their top concerns. As with so many things having to do with data, there’s a trade-off between confidentiality and the ability to access services that can improve our lives. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The fallout from 23andMe’s bankruptcy and an earlier data breach has left consumers more wary than ever and has underscored the need for stronger data privacy laws. In today’s episode, we’ll hear from someone whose life was transformed by a 23andMe test, and from a genetic data and privacy researcher who explains the risks of handing over our DNA to a corporation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC2302884115\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guests: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine Gallegos, media coordinator and 23andMe user\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://law.uiowa.edu/people/anya-prince\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Anya Prince\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">professor and genetic privacy researcher at the University of Iowa College of Law\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Further reading/listening: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/can-you-hide-your-pregnancy-era-big-data/671692/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I Tried to Keep My Pregnancy Secret\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Anya Prince, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Atlantic \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/06/30/nx-s1-5451398/23andme-sale-approved-dna-data\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Judge OKs sale of 23andMe — and its trove of DNA data — to a nonprofit led by its founder\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — John Ruwitch, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NPR\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/30/california-ag-23andme-sale-00433554\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">California AG says 23andMe sale ‘does not comply’ with state law\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Tyler Katzenberger, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Politico\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/30/business/23andme-for-sale-genetic-data\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">23andMe is for sale. Here’s why companies might want your genetic data \u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">— Lisa Eadicicco, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">CNN\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Want to give us feedback on the show? Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Follow us on Instagram\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine Gallegos is a pillar of her community. She’s a mother, wife, former journalist at the local paper, now a beloved staff member at the local high school, and she volunteers in her spare time. She was even named Citizen of the Year in her hometown of Antioch, California, about an hour northeast of San Francisco. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am a lifelong resident of Antioch, California. This really great um tight knit-kind of community. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine’s in her 60s now, but she grew up the baby of the family — her sister and brother are both over a decade older than her. They were a pretty working class family. Her dad, a veteran, managed pest control for military bases nearby, and her mom worked in a cannery and then in food service. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My parents were deeply proud of their background, as they should be. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine’s parents were both Mexican-American, and they’ve raised her to be proud of her heritage, too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just love like Spanglish, where they slap in, you know, some English and Spanish, and then one sentence might have English and Spanish. And so I really absorbed a lot of that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine grew up with very few questions about where she came from. As a kid, she had strawberry blonde hair, unlike anyone else in her family. But if anyone ever pointed out that she was different from the rest of the family, her fiercely protective mother would shut it down. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine does remember asking her parents why she was born in San Francisco while her siblings were born in Antioch, but they brushed it off with a loose explanation about her dad’s military health care. When Trine was five, her family suffered a devastating loss. Her brother, who was 19, had joined the Marines to fight in the Vietnam War, and he was killed in action. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am sure some families suffer and kind of fall apart after something like that but we’re, you know, again very lucky in that we kept it together maybe even tighter. My mom was already a real protective parent and I think that I realized much later that probably spurred from, you know, losing my brother. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine grew up. She went to college, got married, and had a daughter of her own. She stayed super close with her older sister, and her sister’s kids, and eventually, their kids. In 2017, they all gathered to celebrate Trine’s 57th birthday. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re talking around the table and I say, “Oh, you know what I think is gonna be fun? I’m gonna do a DNA test. Like how Mexican are we?” And my mom had always spoke to maybe having some Native American, et cetera. So I just thought it would be interesting to have a little breakdown. And again, literally this is how I said it, “I think it’ll be fun just for fun.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Following some friends’ recommendations, she decided to use 23andMe. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was San Francisco based, right? And I was like, yeah, I’ll shop local, basically. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So she bought the kit, spat in a tube, and mailed it back to the lab in a neat little prepaid package. A few weeks later, Trine got her results back. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It said, literally almost down to exactly like 51% Filipino, 49% Irish. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Which was, obviously, not at all what she expected. Her whole life, she had grown up proudly Mexican. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So when I got mine and read it and there’s like no Latin, no anything, I was just like what a waste, like yeah. I was just like, “Oh dang, give me my hundred bucks back!”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine assumed that 23andMe had made a mistake. Maybe they had mixed up her results with someone else’s? Or their own data was inaccurate? The truth was, of course, a bit more complicated. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On today’s episode, we’re going to hear more of Trine’s story and also talk to a genetic privacy expert to find out what do you really give up when you take one of these tests? And is it worth it? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Before we get into the privacy questions surrounding 23andMe and all the other at-home DNA tests, let’s hear the rest of Trine’s story. And of course, that means opening a new tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Show DNA relatives. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">About a year after receiving what she thought were bum results, Trine had forgotten about the 23andMe test. Her dad had passed away by then and her mom’s health was starting to decline. While their mom was still able to travel, Trine and her sister decided to take the whole family on a big trip to Hawaii. But throughout the trip, Trine noticed that her sister seemed stressed. During their last day, the family took a morning walk on the beach and Trine and her sister ended up alone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She’s acting kind of odd and then she’s asking me a few little questions and she brings up the 23andMe thing. And she goes, “Well, whatever happened to that test thing?” And I go, “Oh, it was a big frigging disaster. Like it messed up. It didn’t say anything about our like, you know, Mexican heritage or something like that.” And then she said, “Oh I just was, I was going to talk to you about something”, and kind of mumbly. And I was like, “Well just tell me.” so she says, “You’re adopted.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At first, Trine was incredulous. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I go, “Right,” like almost laughing and then she touches my arm and then I knew and then it just like kind of made me real because you know, it was almost like a little comfort like, no, I’m not kidding. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And there, on the beach, Trine’s sister revealed a secret that she had been holding onto for almost 60 years. Before Trine’s arrival, their mom had had several miscarriages. Around that time, a distant family member was going through a rough patch and asked Trine’s parents to adopt their baby. Baby Gloria was a joyous part of their family for over six months. But then the relative came back and asked to take her out for one last car ride to say goodbye. They never came back. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, you know, a gut wrench, right? And I mean, they were, I mean just heartbroken. My sister and brother are like apparently crying every day. It was just a scene. And so my sister told me this, and I had heard about Gloria before, but obviously not my part of the story. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sometime later, when Trine’s brother was 14 and her sister was 12, their parents announced that they were going to take a drive into San Francisco. This wasn’t out of the ordinary. They went into the city all the time. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then they get to this hospital. They get there and they’re in a room and a woman brings a baby in and hands her to my mom, it’s me, and then, you know, we all get in the car, we come to Antioch. And I guess as we arrive, or getting out of the car, my mom says very matter of factly, which my mom was a girl boss before it was a thing and she said, uh, “This is our baby and we’re not gonna tell anybody how this happened, this is our baby and that’s it and nobody’s gonna take her.” And then my brother and sister were like, “Yeah, fine, let’s go.” But this is all, again, from a 12-year-old’s point of view. That’s all she knew. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back on the beach, Trine was reeling, but she didn’t have time to process anything because the rest of the family was getting out of the water and fast approaching across the sand. They still had to pack, get through the airport and catch their flight back to California. So Trine pulled it together. She didn’t tell her husband or daughter about the bombshell her sister dropped until they got home nearly a day later. That’s when she broke. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m almost crying just thinking about because it was so intense. So now my daughter’s crying, my husband’s crying, because we’re like, “What? I don’t get it.” I was kind of a mini-wreck. I call it, where I was in “upside down world” and I’m pretty, you know, open and fairly lighthearted and positive, but that, you now, that took my knees out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine still had so many questions. Who were her birth parents? Records were scarce, and there was no such thing as open adoptions back in 1960. Her sister didn’t have many answers, because she was so young when Trine was adopted. And they decided not to bring it up with their mom, who was more easily confused as she got older. A few weeks later, Trine’s nephew and his husband came by to check on her. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And my nephew’s husband, who had also done 23andMe, but he knew his results, he said, have you gone back to 23andMe and see if there’s any connections? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So she logged on for the first time in over a year and clicked, “show DNA relatives.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then sure enough, boom, like a big fatty circle that showed like a match that, not like partial not like fourth cousin like, you know, 100% this is your sibling. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Trine’s full biological brother, Mark. He’s five years younger than her. They messaged each other through the 23andMe website, hesitantly at first, and then over the next few weeks, shared more and more. Mark told her about their other younger brother, Sean, who’s eight years younger than her. The brothers had grown up in San Francisco and were even born in the same hospital that Trine was born in. They had both gotten married, and had kids, and raised their families less than an hour away from where Trine raised hers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They’ve been in the Bay Area the whole time. I always, you know, say that we’ve been 40 minutes away from each other and a bridge apart our whole lives. Just crazy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine was floored when she saw a picture of her youngest brother, Sean. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is my face. I look like Mark, you can definitely tell we’re siblings, but Sean has like the exact same coloring, the same kind of shape, more face. I mean, it was like just an absolute mind blow. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine, with her journalism background, had so many questions that it overwhelmed Mark. After a few weeks, he suggested that they meet up in person. They talked for over four hours. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, my mom, Delfina, was 16 when she got pregnant with me. Our father, Gary, was like 17 or 18. My biological grandma, Delfina’s mom, was like, “no, you’re 16, you can’t” — and this is 1960, this is not a thing. “You can’t have the baby, you have to finish school”, also you’re, you know, undertone, “You are Catholic and Filipina, no, no, no.” So, you know, that’s why she had to do, the adoption thing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Delfina tragically died just before she turned 50. At her funeral, an aunt told Mark that he might have a sister somewhere out there, but didn’t elaborate. He was grieving and didn’t think much of it. Then, about 20 years later, his wife and daughter pressured him into taking a 23andMe test. That’s when Trine’s profile popped up. Despite the shock of it all, Trine said she’s actually grateful for the timing. If she’d learned that she was adopted before home DNA kits existed, she would have never met her brothers or have the answers she so desperately wanted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If my sister had told me when I was 18 or 25 or when I trying to have a baby and had all these questions. I wouldn’t have known any of this information. I wouldn’t have any back story. And I think it just would have haunted me a little bit. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After their first meeting, Mark and Trine introduced their families to each other. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Immediately we’re gabbing, we’re sharing stories, and I’m just, you know, taking it all in and eating it up and asking about childhood and what they did because, you know, we’ve got 50-some years to catch up on of stories. And um, when we left that dinner, my husband was like, “Oh wow.” So he’s seen that Mark and I have some, like, similar hand gestures and how we kind of pause and the cadence, which is also very wild to think about, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is that genetic? You know, you have to wonder. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. It has to be, right? It’s just that is just wild to me, but also kind of cool. And then we eventually, not too long after, brought all of our families together. And, it is just all of us jumping in. We’re excited and also like, yikes, you know, like a family reunion we didn’t know we were gonna have. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But when they left, my sister looked at me. She said, “We have brothers again.” And that’s how she refers to him, too. And they refer to her as, “How’s her sister doing?” And because she’ll say, “have you heard from the brothers lately? What are they doing?” It’s not like, “Oh, how are your brothers doing?” You know, we’re just all melted together, you know. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine is one of the lucky, rare cases of a DNA test reuniting long-lost family members. But while Trine and her brothers were catching up and merging their families, 23andMe, as a company, has had some serious problems. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So when I did the 23andMe, I never even considered, “Oh yeah, I could be like super compromised.” “Hi, here’s my sample,” like, you know, but never thought of it. And then of course, it brought so much joy when it happened. Again, I didn’t really think of it, but Mark said he would have never done it if it hadn’t been for the bullying, no, for the encouragement of my sister-in-law and his daughter. He said, I’d never, that’s not his jam. And Sean, 100% hell no. Like he was like, absolutely not. And he is super aware of things that can go sideways, things that could be used against you, things that can bring you down, and he’s not wrong. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, what’s going on with 23andMe? We’ll dive into that mess in a new tab. But first, a quick break. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, we’re back to talk about 23andMe, their legal issues, bankruptcy, and the big question, what are they doing with all that data? New tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">23andMe privacy nightmare. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re diving into this with Anya Prince, who’s a professor at the University of Iowa College of Law. She researches genetic privacy and discrimination. Before we get into the privacy questions, we need to set the scene. About 10 years ago, 23andMe was super hot and trendy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think 23andMe held a lot of promise and marketed itself as this fun, quirky thing, but also part of a larger goal, right. So when 23andMe first launched, they literally had spit parties where they invited, you know, famous people to come to parties and spit in tubes and learn about themselves. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it was this really fun thing and it wasn’t necessarily about health back then. It was more about, like, you know, you learn whether or not you can, you know, curl your tongue or whatever quirky genetic traits, learn about your ancestry, learn about where you came from. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s really grown to, to have more, um, health testing. And also this research side, I think while it’s not the main focus, I think 23andMe did sell itself as like, you can be part of something bigger by opting into research as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Can you talk more about that goal they had of like helping with this grand plan to develop new treatments and special drugs? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, it’s a really fascinating goal, right? So on the one hand, we could think that this is really beneficial, right, that here’s this good company that’s saying, “Not only we’re gonna provide this interesting service where we tell people about their ancestry, but also we’re going to build this database that can advance science and be for community good.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I think that’s one version of the story that has a lot of truth to it. But I think there’s another version of this story that has lot of true to it too. And that is the business model. Here is a company that took money from people to give them that information, and that was one side of their business model, and had a second business model where they then sold that information to pharmaceutical companies and the like. Or did their own research with it and applied for patents, which then brings in money as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so a less charitable version of the story is that it’s a really fascinating business model where you’re making money both on the consumer side and then selling their data — and then possibly making cures or drugs that could help ameliorate some of the original customers’ diseases and then charging them for it again. 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In the direct-to-consumer testing setting, at least at the federal level, we start with the presumption that the data can be shared as widely as the privacy policy lets it be shared. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">23andMe did allow customers to opt out of sharing and storing their genetic information. And to their credit, they also let customers fully delete their accounts and all the data associated with it. And this is important because all that data has been a huge concern in recent years. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> So there w\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">as a data breach where millions of customers’ data was leaked onto the dark web, essentially. And eventually this came out, and one of the pieces that came out with that is that it seemed like the hackers were particularly targeting individuals that had Ashkenazi Jewish descent or Chinese ancestry. And so there’s concerns of like why why those groups, what was their aim? Um, that I think I haven’t seen really that those questions have been answered. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you remember when you first heard about it, what was your first reaction as a privacy expert who literally specializes in genetic privacy? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In terms of a privacy perspective, these hacks happen all the time. Not that they should, but it does happen. But then you do worry, like, okay, now that’s out there. If it’s a credit card breach, so many people have made this analogy, but you can change your credit card, you can, you know, change your email address, but can’t update and get a new version of your DNA. So once it’s out there, it’s out there. And I think that is one of the more concerning sides. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let’s talk about the bankruptcy. So this data breach resulted in a $30 million class action lawsuit. Last year, the company filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to sell its assets, including all of that customer DNA information. Why does that raise red flags for privacy advocates? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because there’s very few federal restrictions in who could buy that data, there were so many open questions. Could a pharmaceutical company purchase this data? Could somebody like a company affiliated with law enforcement purchase this data? Could a foreign nation purchase this data? And the answers were really any of those, for the most part. There are some restrictions on so-called countries of concern. But for the first part, under federal law, it goes to whoever has the most money and wants to bid on it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so all of a sudden, people were in the position where their most sensitive genetic data, arguably, the most immutable data that they have out there is for sale to the highest bidder. And that was well within the privacy policy, right? The privacy policy of 23andMe stated that this data could be sold in bankruptcy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I think many customers, I don’t know if most, never really sat down and thought, “Oh, my genetic data all of a sudden is an asset of this company.” And not just an asset, like the most valuable asset that this company has. And so there have been plenty of other bankruptcies where private data has been an asset, but not one in the same volume and to the extent where that’s like the main sort of business model and the most sensitive of data. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A few months ago, a judge approved the sale of 23andMe, and all of its data, back to one of its co-founders, or really TTAM, a nonprofit research institute led by one of the company’s co-founders. TTAM, by the way, is an acronym for Twenty Three and Me. Initially, privacy advocates were concerned about who would end up in possession of 23andMe’s data if the company sold. But a few of the states suing 23andMe backed off once that sale to TTAM was approved. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And in some ways, that makes a lot of sense, right? People trusted 23andMe. They said, “OK, here’s this company. I believe in their ethos. I like that they’re doing research. I trust their security, at least maybe before the hack. And so I’m going to give my information to them.” And we do this all the time as customers, right. We don’t read the privacy policies, but we generally think, “OK. Here’s a well-known, good company, and we’re going to trust that they going to be good stewards of the data.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so, if that was the reason that you chose 23andMe to give your genetic data to, then there’s probably a sigh of relief that TTAM is the buyer, because they’re gonna have a very similar ethos. They are keeping basically the same employees, same structure, and so we think, “Oh good, it wasn’t a big bad pharmaceutical company, or it wasn’t a law enforcement company, or it wasn’t some other country that now has a bunch of Americans’ data. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I think it’s a missed opportunity to breathe such a sigh of relief that we don’t reflect upon the real true gaps in genetic privacy law that this example really exposed or highlighted. There isn’t really anything to stop the next company that has fewer privacy protections in their privacy policy to begin with from being sold with much less press, and it just goes under the radar, but the same privacy concerns exist. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A lot of people believe that even though this country doesn’t have robust protections for data privacy, their health information at least is safe. That’s not always true though. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, better known as HIPAA, only protects sensitive health information when it’s collected in a healthcare setting — like insurance or a doctor’s office. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But outside of that setting, a lot of your private data is fair game. Your fitness watch tracking your heart rate, The FemTech apps tracking menstrual cycles, the vitamins you buy using your credit card. All of this information is health information that can be collected and sold to the highest bidder. Why is that so concerning? Let’s open a new tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What is your health data really worth? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like we’ve talked about, health data is regulated or protected. What are other ways that this information has been mishandled or exploited? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I mean, so one of the big ones, I think, with health data in particular is the potential use by advertisers. So if you think about times in your life where your purchasing habits have changed, a change in health status is one of those, right? You need a new insulin pump. You need new brace for your knee. You need any number of things, right. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so. Our health data can be really of interest to advertisers who say, “Yeah, if I can find out that Mrs. Smith is pre-diabetic, let me start to market to her healthy foods or insulin or whatever else it is and hope that she purchases my product instead of the competitor.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And for some people, that’s good. Maybe they find the product that’s really going to help them. And I think for others, it could be exploitative or lead them to a choice of product that wasn’t the best for them because it’s not within a clinical setting decision. And so there’s both pros and cons to it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The concern is not just about advertisers getting a hold of your personal health data. After Roe v. Wade was overturned, reproductive rights advocates raised concerns over how this kind of information could be used to criminalize people who would had abortions or even miscarriages. HIPAA doesn’t apply to most healthcare apps or at-home tests. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And when it comes to DNA information, the lack of privacy regulation is pretty troubling. What would stop law enforcement from mining DNA test results? The Golden State Killer, one of California’s most notorious serial killers, was caught through a relative’s DNA test. Obviously, that’s an extreme example, and 23andMe says they don’t let law enforcement into their databases. But here’s why you should probably care.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I think some of the concerns I have with it are, one, you’re going to start to use it in the serial killer case, and that’s great. It’s good to catch serial killers. But what I worry about is the slippery slope, right? Where, okay, then it’s used in an assault case, then then it is used in this. And how far down the slippery slope do you go to where it’s just really common to use this anytime there’s DNA available for a crime? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And our constitutional protections would not let the police just set up a stop on a street corner and do genetic testing of every single person in the hopes of finding somebody related to the perpetrator. So why would we treat a genetic database any different? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think the other privacy concern with law enforcement is that they’re not just logging onto the database and finding the suspect, right, for the most part. What’s happening more often is they find what’s called a partial match. And so they say, oh, we have this genetic sample from the crime scene, and then we found this sample that like 15% of it matches. Well, that means that it’s a relative, but it’s not like a brother, sister, it’s like a parent, sibling, it’s too far removed. So then they have to start building family trees and they can build backwards up to the great, great grandpa and then downwards. And so there’s a lot of people that are investigated, not as suspects, but as linked to suspects. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So all of a sudden, you might have police knocking on somebody’s door to say, “Could you give a confirmatory sample so that we can then try to figure out if you’re related to the person and if you are the brother whose family tree this is part of.” So I worry just potentially even more about the privacy and the respect for the non-suspects who are also implicated in these investigations than the suspect themselves. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In this story, we’re also hearing from someone who found her long lost family members through a 23andMe test. It seems like there’s a significant trade-off here. To find this part of yourself, you have to risk your privacy. If someone did choose to take an at-home DNA test, what precautions would you recommend? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So first I’d say like, absolutely, it’s a trade-off. I mean, as I’m sure many of you listeners know, every time we share data out there, whether it’s with our friend or individual or a company, we are making trade-offs about confidentiality and privacy. And I think it’s completely normal and rational trade-off to participate in something like 23andMe. Whether it’s to learn about health risks, whether it is to learn about family members, whether it’s to learn about your ancestry. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m a really private person, so I haven’t made that trade-off, because that’s not something that feels comfortable for me. But I also, I’m not surprised that millions of people have made that trade-off. And for most people, it’s fine, right? They don’t have a privacy risk. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My hope, though, would be that law and policy catch up a little bit, right, where the data is more protected so that there can’t be misuse, right? Where we have more robust genetic anti-discrimination laws, where we have more structures in place for how and when law enforcement could access this data, and that we have rules about how companies that collect this data have to care for it, you know, as stewards of this data and not just have it be profit-making endeavor. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks so much for joining us and for just sharing all of this information. I’m gonna go delete everything from everything online. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine, for one, was pretty freaked out about the 23andMe data breach, and then bankruptcy, and then sale. As she watched the headlines roll in, she decided to deactivate her account and permanently delete her data. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I got my info, I got win with my brothers and I really don’t need and now I really am concerned like who is this gonna go to now? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There were a few more distant family members that popped up as matches, but Trine wasn’t too pressed about connecting with them. Especially not through 23andMe.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I’m like I’m fine with that. I don’t really need more, unless they want to come to us and gather. That’s good, but I don’t need to do it through this platform anymore. I think it’s hard for me not to have my little rose-colored glasses on, which is how I often view the world, especially now I really need them, because mine was so joyful. So yeah, I probably say yeah, take a beat, investigate the bejeebus out of whatever thing you think you’re gonna go through and do, you know, kind of thing. But for me, I mean, lucky. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Worth it for you? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, 100. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Despite learning that she is, in fact, Filipina and Irish, Trini still identifies as 100% Mexican. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I- Clearly raised Mexican, you know, have the heart of it. So I can’t un-Mexican myself.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She did have a small crisis when she renewed her driver’s license and had to decide whether to check the box for Hispanic. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Honestly, I cried for like two minutes. And then I was like, no? Question mark? Then I found Filipino and then I moved on because, you know, that’s just a form. You know, when I’m asked, I say I’m Mexican.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A DNA test can reveal a lot about our backgrounds, but ultimately, it can’t decide who we are. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, now let’s close all these tabs. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. Close All Tabs producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Chris Hambrick and Jen Chien, who is KQED’s director of podcasts. Original music, including our theme song and credits by Chris Egusa. Additional music by APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When 23andMe filed for bankruptcy earlier this year, it set off alarm bells among privacy experts and consumers alike. According to a \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://today.yougov.com/health/articles/51527-what-americans-think-about-home-dna-tests-poll\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2025 survey\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, about 1 in 5 Americans has taken a home DNA test. Among those who haven’t, privacy ranks as one of their top concerns. As with so many things having to do with data, there’s a trade-off between confidentiality and the ability to access services that can improve our lives. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The fallout from 23andMe’s bankruptcy and an earlier data breach has left consumers more wary than ever and has underscored the need for stronger data privacy laws. In today’s episode, we’ll hear from someone whose life was transformed by a 23andMe test, and from a genetic data and privacy researcher who explains the risks of handing over our DNA to a corporation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC2302884115\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guests: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine Gallegos, media coordinator and 23andMe user\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://law.uiowa.edu/people/anya-prince\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Anya Prince\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">professor and genetic privacy researcher at the University of Iowa College of Law\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Further reading/listening: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/can-you-hide-your-pregnancy-era-big-data/671692/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I Tried to Keep My Pregnancy Secret\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Anya Prince, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Atlantic \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/06/30/nx-s1-5451398/23andme-sale-approved-dna-data\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Judge OKs sale of 23andMe — and its trove of DNA data — to a nonprofit led by its founder\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — John Ruwitch, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NPR\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/30/california-ag-23andme-sale-00433554\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">California AG says 23andMe sale ‘does not comply’ with state law\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Tyler Katzenberger, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Politico\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/30/business/23andme-for-sale-genetic-data\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">23andMe is for sale. Here’s why companies might want your genetic data \u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">— Lisa Eadicicco, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">CNN\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Want to give us feedback on the show? Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Follow us on Instagram\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine Gallegos is a pillar of her community. She’s a mother, wife, former journalist at the local paper, now a beloved staff member at the local high school, and she volunteers in her spare time. She was even named Citizen of the Year in her hometown of Antioch, California, about an hour northeast of San Francisco. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am a lifelong resident of Antioch, California. This really great um tight knit-kind of community. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine’s in her 60s now, but she grew up the baby of the family — her sister and brother are both over a decade older than her. They were a pretty working class family. Her dad, a veteran, managed pest control for military bases nearby, and her mom worked in a cannery and then in food service. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My parents were deeply proud of their background, as they should be. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine’s parents were both Mexican-American, and they’ve raised her to be proud of her heritage, too. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just love like Spanglish, where they slap in, you know, some English and Spanish, and then one sentence might have English and Spanish. And so I really absorbed a lot of that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine grew up with very few questions about where she came from. As a kid, she had strawberry blonde hair, unlike anyone else in her family. But if anyone ever pointed out that she was different from the rest of the family, her fiercely protective mother would shut it down. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine does remember asking her parents why she was born in San Francisco while her siblings were born in Antioch, but they brushed it off with a loose explanation about her dad’s military health care. When Trine was five, her family suffered a devastating loss. Her brother, who was 19, had joined the Marines to fight in the Vietnam War, and he was killed in action. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am sure some families suffer and kind of fall apart after something like that but we’re, you know, again very lucky in that we kept it together maybe even tighter. My mom was already a real protective parent and I think that I realized much later that probably spurred from, you know, losing my brother. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine grew up. She went to college, got married, and had a daughter of her own. She stayed super close with her older sister, and her sister’s kids, and eventually, their kids. In 2017, they all gathered to celebrate Trine’s 57th birthday. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re talking around the table and I say, “Oh, you know what I think is gonna be fun? I’m gonna do a DNA test. Like how Mexican are we?” And my mom had always spoke to maybe having some Native American, et cetera. So I just thought it would be interesting to have a little breakdown. And again, literally this is how I said it, “I think it’ll be fun just for fun.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Following some friends’ recommendations, she decided to use 23andMe. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was San Francisco based, right? And I was like, yeah, I’ll shop local, basically. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So she bought the kit, spat in a tube, and mailed it back to the lab in a neat little prepaid package. A few weeks later, Trine got her results back. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It said, literally almost down to exactly like 51% Filipino, 49% Irish. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Which was, obviously, not at all what she expected. Her whole life, she had grown up proudly Mexican. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So when I got mine and read it and there’s like no Latin, no anything, I was just like what a waste, like yeah. I was just like, “Oh dang, give me my hundred bucks back!”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine assumed that 23andMe had made a mistake. Maybe they had mixed up her results with someone else’s? Or their own data was inaccurate? The truth was, of course, a bit more complicated. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On today’s episode, we’re going to hear more of Trine’s story and also talk to a genetic privacy expert to find out what do you really give up when you take one of these tests? And is it worth it? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Before we get into the privacy questions surrounding 23andMe and all the other at-home DNA tests, let’s hear the rest of Trine’s story. And of course, that means opening a new tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Show DNA relatives. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">About a year after receiving what she thought were bum results, Trine had forgotten about the 23andMe test. Her dad had passed away by then and her mom’s health was starting to decline. While their mom was still able to travel, Trine and her sister decided to take the whole family on a big trip to Hawaii. But throughout the trip, Trine noticed that her sister seemed stressed. During their last day, the family took a morning walk on the beach and Trine and her sister ended up alone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She’s acting kind of odd and then she’s asking me a few little questions and she brings up the 23andMe thing. And she goes, “Well, whatever happened to that test thing?” And I go, “Oh, it was a big frigging disaster. Like it messed up. It didn’t say anything about our like, you know, Mexican heritage or something like that.” And then she said, “Oh I just was, I was going to talk to you about something”, and kind of mumbly. And I was like, “Well just tell me.” so she says, “You’re adopted.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At first, Trine was incredulous. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I go, “Right,” like almost laughing and then she touches my arm and then I knew and then it just like kind of made me real because you know, it was almost like a little comfort like, no, I’m not kidding. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And there, on the beach, Trine’s sister revealed a secret that she had been holding onto for almost 60 years. Before Trine’s arrival, their mom had had several miscarriages. Around that time, a distant family member was going through a rough patch and asked Trine’s parents to adopt their baby. Baby Gloria was a joyous part of their family for over six months. But then the relative came back and asked to take her out for one last car ride to say goodbye. They never came back. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, you know, a gut wrench, right? And I mean, they were, I mean just heartbroken. My sister and brother are like apparently crying every day. It was just a scene. And so my sister told me this, and I had heard about Gloria before, but obviously not my part of the story. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sometime later, when Trine’s brother was 14 and her sister was 12, their parents announced that they were going to take a drive into San Francisco. This wasn’t out of the ordinary. They went into the city all the time. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then they get to this hospital. They get there and they’re in a room and a woman brings a baby in and hands her to my mom, it’s me, and then, you know, we all get in the car, we come to Antioch. And I guess as we arrive, or getting out of the car, my mom says very matter of factly, which my mom was a girl boss before it was a thing and she said, uh, “This is our baby and we’re not gonna tell anybody how this happened, this is our baby and that’s it and nobody’s gonna take her.” And then my brother and sister were like, “Yeah, fine, let’s go.” But this is all, again, from a 12-year-old’s point of view. That’s all she knew. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back on the beach, Trine was reeling, but she didn’t have time to process anything because the rest of the family was getting out of the water and fast approaching across the sand. They still had to pack, get through the airport and catch their flight back to California. So Trine pulled it together. She didn’t tell her husband or daughter about the bombshell her sister dropped until they got home nearly a day later. That’s when she broke. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m almost crying just thinking about because it was so intense. So now my daughter’s crying, my husband’s crying, because we’re like, “What? I don’t get it.” I was kind of a mini-wreck. I call it, where I was in “upside down world” and I’m pretty, you know, open and fairly lighthearted and positive, but that, you now, that took my knees out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine still had so many questions. Who were her birth parents? Records were scarce, and there was no such thing as open adoptions back in 1960. Her sister didn’t have many answers, because she was so young when Trine was adopted. And they decided not to bring it up with their mom, who was more easily confused as she got older. A few weeks later, Trine’s nephew and his husband came by to check on her. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And my nephew’s husband, who had also done 23andMe, but he knew his results, he said, have you gone back to 23andMe and see if there’s any connections? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So she logged on for the first time in over a year and clicked, “show DNA relatives.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then sure enough, boom, like a big fatty circle that showed like a match that, not like partial not like fourth cousin like, you know, 100% this is your sibling. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Trine’s full biological brother, Mark. He’s five years younger than her. They messaged each other through the 23andMe website, hesitantly at first, and then over the next few weeks, shared more and more. Mark told her about their other younger brother, Sean, who’s eight years younger than her. The brothers had grown up in San Francisco and were even born in the same hospital that Trine was born in. They had both gotten married, and had kids, and raised their families less than an hour away from where Trine raised hers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They’ve been in the Bay Area the whole time. I always, you know, say that we’ve been 40 minutes away from each other and a bridge apart our whole lives. Just crazy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine was floored when she saw a picture of her youngest brother, Sean. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is my face. I look like Mark, you can definitely tell we’re siblings, but Sean has like the exact same coloring, the same kind of shape, more face. I mean, it was like just an absolute mind blow. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine, with her journalism background, had so many questions that it overwhelmed Mark. After a few weeks, he suggested that they meet up in person. They talked for over four hours. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, my mom, Delfina, was 16 when she got pregnant with me. Our father, Gary, was like 17 or 18. My biological grandma, Delfina’s mom, was like, “no, you’re 16, you can’t” — and this is 1960, this is not a thing. “You can’t have the baby, you have to finish school”, also you’re, you know, undertone, “You are Catholic and Filipina, no, no, no.” So, you know, that’s why she had to do, the adoption thing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Delfina tragically died just before she turned 50. At her funeral, an aunt told Mark that he might have a sister somewhere out there, but didn’t elaborate. He was grieving and didn’t think much of it. Then, about 20 years later, his wife and daughter pressured him into taking a 23andMe test. That’s when Trine’s profile popped up. Despite the shock of it all, Trine said she’s actually grateful for the timing. If she’d learned that she was adopted before home DNA kits existed, she would have never met her brothers or have the answers she so desperately wanted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If my sister had told me when I was 18 or 25 or when I trying to have a baby and had all these questions. I wouldn’t have known any of this information. I wouldn’t have any back story. And I think it just would have haunted me a little bit. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After their first meeting, Mark and Trine introduced their families to each other. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Immediately we’re gabbing, we’re sharing stories, and I’m just, you know, taking it all in and eating it up and asking about childhood and what they did because, you know, we’ve got 50-some years to catch up on of stories. And um, when we left that dinner, my husband was like, “Oh wow.” So he’s seen that Mark and I have some, like, similar hand gestures and how we kind of pause and the cadence, which is also very wild to think about, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is that genetic? You know, you have to wonder. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. It has to be, right? It’s just that is just wild to me, but also kind of cool. And then we eventually, not too long after, brought all of our families together. And, it is just all of us jumping in. We’re excited and also like, yikes, you know, like a family reunion we didn’t know we were gonna have. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But when they left, my sister looked at me. She said, “We have brothers again.” And that’s how she refers to him, too. And they refer to her as, “How’s her sister doing?” And because she’ll say, “have you heard from the brothers lately? What are they doing?” It’s not like, “Oh, how are your brothers doing?” You know, we’re just all melted together, you know. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine is one of the lucky, rare cases of a DNA test reuniting long-lost family members. But while Trine and her brothers were catching up and merging their families, 23andMe, as a company, has had some serious problems. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So when I did the 23andMe, I never even considered, “Oh yeah, I could be like super compromised.” “Hi, here’s my sample,” like, you know, but never thought of it. And then of course, it brought so much joy when it happened. Again, I didn’t really think of it, but Mark said he would have never done it if it hadn’t been for the bullying, no, for the encouragement of my sister-in-law and his daughter. He said, I’d never, that’s not his jam. And Sean, 100% hell no. Like he was like, absolutely not. And he is super aware of things that can go sideways, things that could be used against you, things that can bring you down, and he’s not wrong. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, what’s going on with 23andMe? We’ll dive into that mess in a new tab. But first, a quick break. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, we’re back to talk about 23andMe, their legal issues, bankruptcy, and the big question, what are they doing with all that data? New tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">23andMe privacy nightmare. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re diving into this with Anya Prince, who’s a professor at the University of Iowa College of Law. She researches genetic privacy and discrimination. Before we get into the privacy questions, we need to set the scene. About 10 years ago, 23andMe was super hot and trendy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think 23andMe held a lot of promise and marketed itself as this fun, quirky thing, but also part of a larger goal, right. So when 23andMe first launched, they literally had spit parties where they invited, you know, famous people to come to parties and spit in tubes and learn about themselves. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it was this really fun thing and it wasn’t necessarily about health back then. It was more about, like, you know, you learn whether or not you can, you know, curl your tongue or whatever quirky genetic traits, learn about your ancestry, learn about where you came from. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it’s really grown to, to have more, um, health testing. And also this research side, I think while it’s not the main focus, I think 23andMe did sell itself as like, you can be part of something bigger by opting into research as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Can you talk more about that goal they had of like helping with this grand plan to develop new treatments and special drugs? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, it’s a really fascinating goal, right? So on the one hand, we could think that this is really beneficial, right, that here’s this good company that’s saying, “Not only we’re gonna provide this interesting service where we tell people about their ancestry, but also we’re going to build this database that can advance science and be for community good.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I think that’s one version of the story that has a lot of truth to it. But I think there’s another version of this story that has lot of true to it too. And that is the business model. Here is a company that took money from people to give them that information, and that was one side of their business model, and had a second business model where they then sold that information to pharmaceutical companies and the like. Or did their own research with it and applied for patents, which then brings in money as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so a less charitable version of the story is that it’s a really fascinating business model where you’re making money both on the consumer side and then selling their data — and then possibly making cures or drugs that could help ameliorate some of the original customers’ diseases and then charging them for it again. And so, I think both sides of that story have some truth to it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When it comes to genetic data specifically, what’s the difference between getting tested in a clinical setting, like a doctor’s office, and submitting a test through an at-home direct-to-consumer company like 23andMe? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So in our healthcare setting, we start with the premise that health information, including genetic information, is private, and it can only be shared if it meets certain exceptions or requirements. In the direct-to-consumer testing setting, at least at the federal level, we start with the presumption that the data can be shared as widely as the privacy policy lets it be shared. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">23andMe did allow customers to opt out of sharing and storing their genetic information. And to their credit, they also let customers fully delete their accounts and all the data associated with it. And this is important because all that data has been a huge concern in recent years. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> So there w\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">as a data breach where millions of customers’ data was leaked onto the dark web, essentially. And eventually this came out, and one of the pieces that came out with that is that it seemed like the hackers were particularly targeting individuals that had Ashkenazi Jewish descent or Chinese ancestry. And so there’s concerns of like why why those groups, what was their aim? Um, that I think I haven’t seen really that those questions have been answered. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you remember when you first heard about it, what was your first reaction as a privacy expert who literally specializes in genetic privacy? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In terms of a privacy perspective, these hacks happen all the time. Not that they should, but it does happen. But then you do worry, like, okay, now that’s out there. If it’s a credit card breach, so many people have made this analogy, but you can change your credit card, you can, you know, change your email address, but can’t update and get a new version of your DNA. So once it’s out there, it’s out there. And I think that is one of the more concerning sides. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let’s talk about the bankruptcy. So this data breach resulted in a $30 million class action lawsuit. Last year, the company filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to sell its assets, including all of that customer DNA information. Why does that raise red flags for privacy advocates? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because there’s very few federal restrictions in who could buy that data, there were so many open questions. Could a pharmaceutical company purchase this data? Could somebody like a company affiliated with law enforcement purchase this data? Could a foreign nation purchase this data? And the answers were really any of those, for the most part. There are some restrictions on so-called countries of concern. But for the first part, under federal law, it goes to whoever has the most money and wants to bid on it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so all of a sudden, people were in the position where their most sensitive genetic data, arguably, the most immutable data that they have out there is for sale to the highest bidder. And that was well within the privacy policy, right? The privacy policy of 23andMe stated that this data could be sold in bankruptcy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I think many customers, I don’t know if most, never really sat down and thought, “Oh, my genetic data all of a sudden is an asset of this company.” And not just an asset, like the most valuable asset that this company has. And so there have been plenty of other bankruptcies where private data has been an asset, but not one in the same volume and to the extent where that’s like the main sort of business model and the most sensitive of data. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A few months ago, a judge approved the sale of 23andMe, and all of its data, back to one of its co-founders, or really TTAM, a nonprofit research institute led by one of the company’s co-founders. TTAM, by the way, is an acronym for Twenty Three and Me. Initially, privacy advocates were concerned about who would end up in possession of 23andMe’s data if the company sold. But a few of the states suing 23andMe backed off once that sale to TTAM was approved. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And in some ways, that makes a lot of sense, right? People trusted 23andMe. They said, “OK, here’s this company. I believe in their ethos. I like that they’re doing research. I trust their security, at least maybe before the hack. And so I’m going to give my information to them.” And we do this all the time as customers, right. We don’t read the privacy policies, but we generally think, “OK. Here’s a well-known, good company, and we’re going to trust that they going to be good stewards of the data.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so, if that was the reason that you chose 23andMe to give your genetic data to, then there’s probably a sigh of relief that TTAM is the buyer, because they’re gonna have a very similar ethos. They are keeping basically the same employees, same structure, and so we think, “Oh good, it wasn’t a big bad pharmaceutical company, or it wasn’t a law enforcement company, or it wasn’t some other country that now has a bunch of Americans’ data. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But I think it’s a missed opportunity to breathe such a sigh of relief that we don’t reflect upon the real true gaps in genetic privacy law that this example really exposed or highlighted. There isn’t really anything to stop the next company that has fewer privacy protections in their privacy policy to begin with from being sold with much less press, and it just goes under the radar, but the same privacy concerns exist. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A lot of people believe that even though this country doesn’t have robust protections for data privacy, their health information at least is safe. That’s not always true though. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, better known as HIPAA, only protects sensitive health information when it’s collected in a healthcare setting — like insurance or a doctor’s office. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But outside of that setting, a lot of your private data is fair game. Your fitness watch tracking your heart rate, The FemTech apps tracking menstrual cycles, the vitamins you buy using your credit card. All of this information is health information that can be collected and sold to the highest bidder. Why is that so concerning? Let’s open a new tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What is your health data really worth? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like we’ve talked about, health data is regulated or protected. What are other ways that this information has been mishandled or exploited? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I mean, so one of the big ones, I think, with health data in particular is the potential use by advertisers. So if you think about times in your life where your purchasing habits have changed, a change in health status is one of those, right? You need a new insulin pump. You need new brace for your knee. You need any number of things, right. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so. Our health data can be really of interest to advertisers who say, “Yeah, if I can find out that Mrs. Smith is pre-diabetic, let me start to market to her healthy foods or insulin or whatever else it is and hope that she purchases my product instead of the competitor.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And for some people, that’s good. Maybe they find the product that’s really going to help them. And I think for others, it could be exploitative or lead them to a choice of product that wasn’t the best for them because it’s not within a clinical setting decision. And so there’s both pros and cons to it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The concern is not just about advertisers getting a hold of your personal health data. After Roe v. Wade was overturned, reproductive rights advocates raised concerns over how this kind of information could be used to criminalize people who would had abortions or even miscarriages. HIPAA doesn’t apply to most healthcare apps or at-home tests. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And when it comes to DNA information, the lack of privacy regulation is pretty troubling. What would stop law enforcement from mining DNA test results? The Golden State Killer, one of California’s most notorious serial killers, was caught through a relative’s DNA test. Obviously, that’s an extreme example, and 23andMe says they don’t let law enforcement into their databases. But here’s why you should probably care.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I think some of the concerns I have with it are, one, you’re going to start to use it in the serial killer case, and that’s great. It’s good to catch serial killers. But what I worry about is the slippery slope, right? Where, okay, then it’s used in an assault case, then then it is used in this. And how far down the slippery slope do you go to where it’s just really common to use this anytime there’s DNA available for a crime? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And our constitutional protections would not let the police just set up a stop on a street corner and do genetic testing of every single person in the hopes of finding somebody related to the perpetrator. So why would we treat a genetic database any different? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think the other privacy concern with law enforcement is that they’re not just logging onto the database and finding the suspect, right, for the most part. What’s happening more often is they find what’s called a partial match. And so they say, oh, we have this genetic sample from the crime scene, and then we found this sample that like 15% of it matches. Well, that means that it’s a relative, but it’s not like a brother, sister, it’s like a parent, sibling, it’s too far removed. So then they have to start building family trees and they can build backwards up to the great, great grandpa and then downwards. And so there’s a lot of people that are investigated, not as suspects, but as linked to suspects. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So all of a sudden, you might have police knocking on somebody’s door to say, “Could you give a confirmatory sample so that we can then try to figure out if you’re related to the person and if you are the brother whose family tree this is part of.” So I worry just potentially even more about the privacy and the respect for the non-suspects who are also implicated in these investigations than the suspect themselves. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In this story, we’re also hearing from someone who found her long lost family members through a 23andMe test. It seems like there’s a significant trade-off here. To find this part of yourself, you have to risk your privacy. If someone did choose to take an at-home DNA test, what precautions would you recommend? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Anya Prince:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So first I’d say like, absolutely, it’s a trade-off. I mean, as I’m sure many of you listeners know, every time we share data out there, whether it’s with our friend or individual or a company, we are making trade-offs about confidentiality and privacy. And I think it’s completely normal and rational trade-off to participate in something like 23andMe. Whether it’s to learn about health risks, whether it is to learn about family members, whether it’s to learn about your ancestry. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m a really private person, so I haven’t made that trade-off, because that’s not something that feels comfortable for me. But I also, I’m not surprised that millions of people have made that trade-off. And for most people, it’s fine, right? They don’t have a privacy risk. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My hope, though, would be that law and policy catch up a little bit, right, where the data is more protected so that there can’t be misuse, right? Where we have more robust genetic anti-discrimination laws, where we have more structures in place for how and when law enforcement could access this data, and that we have rules about how companies that collect this data have to care for it, you know, as stewards of this data and not just have it be profit-making endeavor. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks so much for joining us and for just sharing all of this information. I’m gonna go delete everything from everything online. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Trine, for one, was pretty freaked out about the 23andMe data breach, and then bankruptcy, and then sale. As she watched the headlines roll in, she decided to deactivate her account and permanently delete her data. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I got my info, I got win with my brothers and I really don’t need and now I really am concerned like who is this gonna go to now? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There were a few more distant family members that popped up as matches, but Trine wasn’t too pressed about connecting with them. Especially not through 23andMe.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I’m like I’m fine with that. I don’t really need more, unless they want to come to us and gather. That’s good, but I don’t need to do it through this platform anymore. I think it’s hard for me not to have my little rose-colored glasses on, which is how I often view the world, especially now I really need them, because mine was so joyful. So yeah, I probably say yeah, take a beat, investigate the bejeebus out of whatever thing you think you’re gonna go through and do, you know, kind of thing. But for me, I mean, lucky. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Worth it for you? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, 100. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Despite learning that she is, in fact, Filipina and Irish, Trini still identifies as 100% Mexican. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I- Clearly raised Mexican, you know, have the heart of it. So I can’t un-Mexican myself.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She did have a small crisis when she renewed her driver’s license and had to decide whether to check the box for Hispanic. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Trine Gallegos:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Honestly, I cried for like two minutes. And then I was like, no? Question mark? Then I found Filipino and then I moved on because, you know, that’s just a form. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The tools of high tech surveillance are increasingly all around us: security cameras in public and embedded in doorbells, location data on your phone, online ad tracking. A lot of this has become normalized, utterly mundane. But in the year since nationwide student protests for Palestine, heightened scrutiny of and retaliation against activists in the U.S. have raised new concerns. Government surveillance, particularly on social media, has grown exponentially since the massive Black Lives Matter protests of 2020, but the precedent in this country stretches much further back. In this episode, Columbia University student organizer Jalsa Drinkard shares her experience protecting other students from invasive surveillance and targeting, and Don Bell, policy counsel for The Constitution Project at the Project On Government Oversight, walks us through the long history of government surveillance in American protest movements, and why today’s moment feels different.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC2506353620\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guests:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jalsa Drinkard, Columbia University student and an organizer for Columbia University Apartheid Divest, CUAD\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.pogo.org/about/people/don-bell\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Don Bell\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, policy counsel at The Constitution Project at The Project On Government Oversight, POGO\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Further reading:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.pogo.org/analysis/protest-under-a-surveillance-state-microscope\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Protest Under a Surveillance State Microscope\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> – Don Bell, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Project On Government Oversight\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.pogo.org/analysis/surveillance-policing-bodily-autonomy\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Surveillance & Policing Bodily Autonomy\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> – Don Bell, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Project On Government Oversight\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.lib.berkeley.edu/about/news/fbi\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">‘Discredit, disrupt, and destroy’: FBI records acquired by the Library reveal violent surveillance of Black leaders, civil rights organizations\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> – Virgie Hoban, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Berkeley Library\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.history.com/articles/how-watergate-changed-americas-intelligence-laws\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How Watergate Changed America’s Intelligence Laws\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> – Barbara Maranzani, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">History\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/04/surveillance-state-september-11-panic-made-us-vulnerable\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">‘Panic made us vulnerable’: how 9/11 made the US surveillance state – and the Americans who fought back\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> – Ed Pilkington, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Guardian \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Want to give us feedback on the show? Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Follow us on Instagram\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You would wake up at like eight o’clock in the morning. There would be like bagels, people like actually making food for you. It would be students helping students. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Jalsa Drinkard. She’s a student at Columbia University and an organizer for Columbia University Apartheid Divest or CUAD. It’s a coalition of over a hundred student organizations calling for the university to cut all ties to Israel. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>CUAD Protester \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Disclose! Divest! We will not stop, we will not rest! Disclose! Divest! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Last year, Jalsa was part of student-led protests, which culminated in a weeks-long encampment on campus. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, Columbia University says they will not divest from Israel and have not reached an agreement with protesters as demonstrations continue. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was really like a community space. Sometimes you would hear like a violin playing, like students would bring their instruments, like kind of just like bring joy. Students would be reading like books, sometimes doing their homework at the encampment. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">CUAD organized the protests to push Colombia to cut financial ties with Israel, including weapons manufacturers, partnerships with Israeli universities, and the building of a new satellite campus in Tel Aviv. As security in the encampment, Jalsa says she saw firsthand the surveillance and harassment she and her fellow students experienced from police and counter protesters. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We were there to like keep an eye on them and remind them of our policies and our roles and de-escalate them and kind of like physically put our bodies in front of cameras so people who were not comfortable with those high-risk actions, they would like be protected. Also, at the time, there’s a lot of doxing going on for people who were engaging in Palestinian activism. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Doxing is the act of identifying and publicizing someone’s personal information, like the location of their home, to shame and harass them. In a content economy where virality can be weaponized to expose someone’s personal details to millions of people in a matter of seconds, doxing is increasingly used as an intimidation tactic to discourage political speech. It was Jalsa’s job to protect protesters from being doxed. Like stepping in to block hecklers from recording people’s faces. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So a lot of students who were engaging in Palestinian activism were, their socials, their private information was getting like archived and sent around to these different sites and basically their stuff was being published online for people to like harass them, giving them death threats, giving them like sexual assault threats and threatening their families as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And we’ve seen the real consequences of this doxing and surveillance of student organizers, particularly with Mahmoud Khalil, a Syrian-born Columbia student and lead negotiator during the protest. He was the target of a months-long harassment campaign led by pro-Israel groups who have taken credit for identifying him and sending his location to immigration officials. He now faces deportation, even though he has a green card and he has not been charged with a crime. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 2: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Just the last hour, an immigration judge in Louisiana has ruled that Columbia University grad student Mahmoud Khalil can be deported. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The list of student organizers, particularly international students, who have been identified, threatened, and arrested keeps growing. These doxxing campaigns have been used to discourage participation since CUAD began organizing the protests. During the Columbia protests last year, Jalsa remembers the doxxing trucks that drove around campus and the surrounding neighborhood. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And they would have like slides of people’s information being like publicized on like a blipping screen with like all the information, like their phone number, like their name, their affiliation to Columbia. It was very dystopic. Like this was an actual act of digital violence towards our students. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jalsa says that when the trucks parked near the encampments, she and other organizers held up sheets so that others couldn’t read the information being displayed on screen. Even though they were trying to protect students from being doxxed, they weren’t allowed to touch the trucks, so they had to hover in front of them for hours on end. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even if we would like to slightly bump it, like with our shoulder, we would be told, like, you’re liable for arrest. And it’s like, um, it’s a 17-year-old girl. A minor, whose information is on a truck by a stranger. Like, no one is doing anything. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the year since Columbia’s encampment inspired student protests for Palestine across the country, those who participated in demonstrations continue to be targeted. They’ve been identified using facial recognition software, their social media accounts have been monitored for political speech, and they’ve been subjected to intense harassment, both online and in real life. Many have faced suspension or disciplinary actions. Others have been detained and face deportation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Trump administration is also using artificial intelligence to review international students’ social media accounts and revoke their visas if they express pro-Palestinian views. Even though she’s a citizen, Jalsa says she’s cut back on her social media use, and has even used a VPN to search anything related to Palestine, out of caution of ending up on a watch list. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is, like, terrifying to hear all these institutions talk about blackmailing students and like banning students. I think that like now because everyone is recording everything and everyone’s being surveilled, basically every word that you say now matters more than ever, for good and for bad. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This isn’t happening in a vacuum. The American right to privacy has been chipped away over the last 75 years. And with the help of rapidly advancing technology, surveillance has been woven into the social fabric of this country. Doxxing would not exist if not for the culture of recording, posting, and reacting to everything on social media. But how can free speech thrive under this level of scrutiny? And how did this become so normalized? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. So to get started on this deep dive, we have to go back to a time when the type of technology that we have today didn’t quite exist yet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So let’s open a new tab. Surveillance before the internet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The point of surveillance is not just to identify people who may be a quote-unquote threat. It’s also to ensure that the status quo remains and that the opposition to the government is suppressed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Don Bell is policy counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, a non-profit watchdog group investigating corruption and misconduct within the federal government. His focus is on surveillance issues. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Surveillance, as we know, or as we kind of understand it in the modern sense, really began during the civil rights movement. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although the United States had used surveillance on its residents before, it wasn’t until after World War II that the government had the technology for targeted covert monitoring. In the 1950s, as the Cold War ramped up and fear of communism swept the nation, the FBI launched COINTELPRO, or Counter-Intelligence Program, to undermine any perceived Communist Party activity within the United States. They operated without much oversight and used that political fear to justify violating constitutional rights to privacy and free speech. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">J. Edgar Hoover, who was the director of the FBI at the time, expanded the program to surveil, discredit, and disrupt any movement that could be considered, quote unquote, subversive, to the political stability of the country. Under his leadership, the FBI illegally surveilled civil rights groups by claiming that they were infiltrated by communists. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So pre-technology, the way to get a sense of what organizations were doing was infiltrating the organization. So basically having someone who was within the organization attending meetings, reporting on the activities of the people, taking notes on the people who attended, and wiretaps. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">An infamous case from this era is the FBI’s surveillance of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The FBI started keeping tabs on him in 1955, amid the Montgomery bus boycott. In 1963, during the march on Washington, Dr. King took the podium and called for an end to segregation in an iconic speech. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I have dream today. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was the moment when the FBI identified Dr. King as a leader of the civil rights movement and put a target on his back. J. Edgar Hoover claimed that Dr. King was a communist threat and launched a mass surveillance effort against him. He discussed Dr. Kings public appearances at length in recorded phone conversations with then-president Lyndon B. Johnson. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>J. Edgar Hoover: \u003c/b>I just got word that Martin Luther King will give a press conference at 11 o’clock this morning in Atlanta. Now, the statement King is to make will in a sense condone the national result from the, in human conditions that the Negroes are forced to exist in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The FBI followed him as he traveled, bugging his home and his hotel rooms. They sent informants to spy on him. They tapped his phones and the phones of any known associates. The FBI also tried to discredit him to the press using information they collected in their extensive surveillance and went as far as blackmailing him. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There are instances that have been reported where the government or agents would send him letters encouraging to kill himself. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This surveillance extended to other civil rights leaders as well. The FBI broke into their homes and searched them without warrants, and along with the CIA, intercepted the Postal Service to read and record letters between activists. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you were a prominent figure you were probably surveilled by the federal government. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They sent informants to infiltrate organizations like the Black Panther Party. To suppress the movement, the FBI even coordinated the assassination of one of its leaders. In 1969, the police raided a Chicago apartment in the middle of the night and opened fire on the Black Panther Party members who were sleeping inside. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Akua Njeri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Someone came into the room. Started shaking the chairman, said chairman, chairman wake up, I looked up and I saw bullets coming from what looked like the front of the apartment from the kitchen area. And the pigs were just shooting. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Akua Njeri from the documentary “The Murder of Fred Hampton.” In the raid, law enforcement officers shot and killed Black Panther Party chairman Fred Hampton, who had been sedated by an FBI informant earlier that evening. He was only 21. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Fred Hampton: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t believe I’m going to die because I’ve got a bad heart. I don’t believe I’m gonna die because of lung cancer. I believe that I’m gonna be able to die high off the people. I believe I will be able die as a revolutionary in the international revolutionary proletarian struggle. Why don’t you live for the people? Why don’t you struggle for the people? Why don’t you die for the peoples? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The general public didn’t know about the existence of COINTELPRO surveillance until 1971, when an activist group broke into FBI offices, stole dossiers, and anonymously mailed them to newspapers. Over the next few years, a string of investigations revealed a few ways that the government was spying on civilians. One of those investigations was prompted by the Watergate scandal, which revealed that President Richard Nixon’s campaign broke into and bugged the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 3: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It all began suddenly last July when an obscure former White House official named Alexander Butterfield appeared as a surprise witness before the Senate Watergate Committee. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Senator: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the President? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alexander Butterfield: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was aware of listening devices. Yes, sir. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The public outrage pushed Congress to figure out just how extensive government surveillance had become. So in 1975, the Senate Church Committee, an investigation led by Senator Frank Church, revealed shocking CIA, FBI, and NSA operations that were conducted without Congress’s knowledge or approval. These included assassination attempts of foreign leaders, brainwashing experiments conducted on American citizens and the extensive surveillance of civil rights leaders, anti-war protesters, and anyone associated with Black liberation organizations. COINTELPRO even targeted actress Jane Fonda because she openly supported the Black Panther Party. After the final report about COINTELPRO was published, Frank Church went on Meet press and warns that any American could be surveilled. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Frank Church: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">No American would have any privacy left, such as the capability to monitor everything. Telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This investigation prompted a period of surveillance reform, including the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA. It requires federal agencies to demonstrate probable cause and obtain warrants for wiretapping and other surveillance tactics. Basically, they have to show proof of why they think a crime has been committed. It’s not just a vibe check. This didn’t stop surveillance. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the aftermath of the Senate Church Committee did establish some transparency and oversight of intelligence agencies. Remember, before then, there was no real system of checks and balances. These reforms held for a few decades and, to some extent, reigned in the abuses highlighted by the Church Committee. That all changed in 2001, when a devastating event ushered in a new era of domestic surveillance. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>George W. Bush: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, what did that mean for this brief period of surveillance reforms? We’ll get to that after this break. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, we’re back. Let’s open a new tab. Surveillance after 9/11. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The country was shaken after 9/11. Americans were grieving and were terrified that it could happen again, especially in other large cities. Mainstream news coverage flooded TVs with racist stereotypes and stoked fears of terrorists as Muslim and brown. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 4: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, for many Americans, the terrorist attacks brought the Islamic faith and its followers under intense scrutiny. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Soon after 9/11, threatening letters laced with the deadly bacteria anthrax circulated in the mail. This exacerbated fears of terrorism and amplified the pressure on the government to do something to prevent another attack. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Reporter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Investigators still don’t know where it came from, but the anthrax that killed two Washington postal workers seems to have the hallmarks of a sophisticated weapon built by someone who knows how to deliver a lethal blow. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You think about anthrax attacks that happen afterward. You know, there’s this feeling that something needs to be done. You have, you know, the start of surveillance initially. You think it’s targeted, not really. And then over time, the mission creep expands. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So when President George W. Bush declared a war on terror, most of the public accepted the sudden increase in policing and surveillance, even if it meant giving up privacy and rolling back reforms. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>George W. Bush: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Congress was a willing partner in the war on terror and passed the Patriot Act just six weeks after 9/11. This law authorized the government to surveil anyone in the name of national security. It allowed the government to record phone calls and access emails and texts without a warrant or probable cause. It allowed secret searches of people’s homes and businesses. And it made it easier for government agencies to share information, which removed a lot of privacy protections. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After 9/11, I think a lot of people recognized that there were too many information silos. In the wake of that, Congress decided to combine almost two dozen federal agencies into the Department of Homeland Security with the idea of if we have all of these agencies working together, they will be able to share information, share intelligence, and we’ll people stop terrorist attacks. And you see at this time an ethos of “collect it all.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Muslim Americans were disproportionately targeted. And so was anyone who looked brown. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then you see the abuses, particularly among Muslim residents in America. You see the surveillance of Muslims in New York City. That’s pretty pervasive. And then you get to dragnet surveillance and abuses that happen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dragnet surveillance is exactly what it sounds like. It’s like casting a giant net over the ocean and dragging it through the water, catching everything in its wake. It’s a practice of collecting and analyzing information on everyone, instead of targeting individuals who are suspected of crime. You can’t opt out of it, and there’s no probable cause involved. Soon after the Patriot Act passed, all Americans were being watched. Dragnet surveillance had become the norm. But many legal experts argue that dragnet surveillance violates the Fourth Amendment guaranteed right to privacy. It protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures of their property. Under the Fourth Amendment, the government can’t search everyone’s property just because they suspect one person of a crime. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think dragnet surveillance is about as anathema to the constitution as you can get. You know, if the police show up to my home and they just want to come in and search about for something, you need a warrant. You need probable cause. You need a judge to give you a warrant, give you the permission to do that. But technology is this thread that changes our relationship with the constitution and amendment itself. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This may sound familiar because we just talked about a similar cycle of surveillance in the name of national security that played out during the civil rights movement. Back then, they said it was to stop communism. And it happened again, but this time they said, it was just stop terrorism. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You see a recurring theme, right? You see surveillance that starts out as targeted, then you see surveillance that exceeds its mandate with mission creep over the years. Then you see abuses, then you the disclosure of the abuses and this outrage that leads to change. 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All of these things that can collect personal information and data and would be harmful to a person if they were exposed to the government or just exposed in general. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Patriotism surged in the aftermath of 9/11. Trust in the government reached historic highs, and the president’s approval rating shot up. But this 9/11 effect was short-lived. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq dragged on, the government failed to uncover evidence of so-called weapons of mass destruction, and public support waned. And Americans were less thrilled when the consequences of the Patriot Act became more apparent. Under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts, federal and state intelligence agencies closely surveilled peaceful anti-war protests. The NSA tapped hundreds of Americans’ phones and monitored their international calls. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And the Patriot Act gave the FBI the authority to collect any record that could be relevant to a terrorism investigation, like papers, documents, or books. Under this part of the Patriot Act, The FBI demanded that libraries hand over their patrons’ borrowing records. That became known as the library provision, and civil liberties organizations questioned whether it would be used to suppress speech. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the early 2000s, people were horrified at the idea of the NSA intercepting and reading emails. But a decade later, Americans were quickly adapting to smartphones and social media, which are treasure troves of personal data. We were checking in on Foursquare, using traceable hashtags on Twitter, and making all of our social connections publicly known on Facebook. We posted all about our personal lives on Instagram and Snapchat and Tumblr. You could trace someone’s entire day with one good scroll. The majority of Americans freely gave up this personal information without knowing the consequences of it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back in the day, the FBI had to hire informants to bug Dr. King’s phone figure out who his associates were and where they were located. With social media and smartphones, we were doing the work for them. But the full extent of post-9/11 dragnet surveillance wasn’t publicly known until 2013, when 29-year-old defense contractor Edward Snowden leaked proof of the NSA’s activities. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Linda Wertheimer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Just one day after we learned that the National Security Agency has been secretly collecting telephone records from millions of Americans, it’s been revealed that the agency is also running a massive internet surveillance program. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Snowden’s leaks not only confirmed the existence and scale of the government’s mass surveillance programs, but also proved that surveillance under the Obama administration had actually expanded. The leaks revealed that the government wasn’t just spying on suspects, it was spying on everyone, even working with foreign intelligence agencies to do so. Here’s Edward Snowden speaking to The Guardian days after the leak. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Edward Snowden: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Originally, we saw that focus very narrowly tailored as foreign intelligence gathered overseas. Now, increasingly, we see that it’s happening domestically. And to do that, they, the NSA specifically, targets the communications of everyone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Don Bell was a law student at the time, and he says that he was absolutely horrified learning this information. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t think Americans were aware of what was happening at the time, but I think that’s partly because technology was changing so quickly that the law hadn’t kept up in ensuring that Fourth Amendment protections were going to be followed by intelligence agencies that were pushing the boundaries of the law because they were working with technologies that previously weren’t even feasible. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The cycle that Dawn mentioned earlier, it played out again following the NSA leaks. Disclosure led to outrage and outrage led to change. In 2015, the USA Freedom Act was signed into law by President Barack Obama, revising the Patriot Act and curbing the NSA’s data collection. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Barack Obama: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The USA Freedom Act also accomplishes something I called for a year and a half ago. It ends the bulk metadata program, the bulk collection of phone records, as it currently exists, and puts in place new reforms. The government will no longer hold these records. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Three years later, the Supreme Court ruled that the government had violated Fourth Amendment rights by obtaining cell phone location data without a warrant. The court’s ruling on the case, Carpenter v. United States, established that people still have the right to privacy when it comes to their data, even if they voluntarily share that data with a third party, like their cell phone provider. The government can’t go to a phone company and demand a person’s location data without a warrant now. That was seven years ago. Clearly, that decision did not stop digital policing. Intelligence and law enforcement agencies are still collecting unprecedented amounts of data on Americans. And these days, it’s basically impossible to opt out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And today I think we’re in an even more dangerous era because there are so many technological devices that collect information on us that is highly sensitive, highly personal, and in an increasingly technology-based world, it’s necessary for us to use those devices to fully function in society. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems like dragnet surveillance is actually more pervasive than ever before. So what happened, or didn’t happen, to get to this point? And how is this new era of surveillance different from previous ones throughout history? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s a new tab, which we’ll get into in our next episode, where we’ll dive into cutting edge surveillance tactics and how they’re used to target political speech. So we’re actually leaving these tabs open for now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On the next episode of Close All Tabs:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nicol Turner Lee: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My mother used to say this all the time, “If you’re not in the kitchen, you’re on the menu.” So we are all on the menu, even though we think we live in a society where there’s some level of privacy maybe in the context of our living rooms. In actuality, when you leave your home and you walk out that door, you are actually in a surveillance capitalist society. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. Our producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our senior editor. Jen Chien is KQED’s director of podcasts and helps edit the show. Alan Montecillo edited this episode. Sound design by Maya Cueva. Original music by Chris Egusa. Additional music by APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard and Katherine Monahan. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our podcast operations manager and Holly Kernan is our chief content officer. Support for this program comes from Birong Hu and supporters of the KQED Studios Fund. Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by the Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco, Northern California Local. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keyboard sounds were recorded on my purple and pink Dustsilver K84 wired mechanical keyboard, with Gateron red switches. If you have feedback or a topic you think we should cover, hit us up at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org. Follow us on Instagram @CloseAllTabsPod or drop it on Discord. We’re in the Close All Tabs channel at discord.gg/kqed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you’re enjoying the show, give us a rating on Apple Podcasts or whatever platform you use. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for listening. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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We will not stop, we will not rest! Disclose! Divest! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Last year, Jalsa was part of student-led protests, which culminated in a weeks-long encampment on campus. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Today, Columbia University says they will not divest from Israel and have not reached an agreement with protesters as demonstrations continue. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It was really like a community space. Sometimes you would hear like a violin playing, like students would bring their instruments, like kind of just like bring joy. Students would be reading like books, sometimes doing their homework at the encampment. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">CUAD organized the protests to push Colombia to cut financial ties with Israel, including weapons manufacturers, partnerships with Israeli universities, and the building of a new satellite campus in Tel Aviv. As security in the encampment, Jalsa says she saw firsthand the surveillance and harassment she and her fellow students experienced from police and counter protesters. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We were there to like keep an eye on them and remind them of our policies and our roles and de-escalate them and kind of like physically put our bodies in front of cameras so people who were not comfortable with those high-risk actions, they would like be protected. Also, at the time, there’s a lot of doxing going on for people who were engaging in Palestinian activism. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Doxing is the act of identifying and publicizing someone’s personal information, like the location of their home, to shame and harass them. In a content economy where virality can be weaponized to expose someone’s personal details to millions of people in a matter of seconds, doxing is increasingly used as an intimidation tactic to discourage political speech. It was Jalsa’s job to protect protesters from being doxed. Like stepping in to block hecklers from recording people’s faces. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So a lot of students who were engaging in Palestinian activism were, their socials, their private information was getting like archived and sent around to these different sites and basically their stuff was being published online for people to like harass them, giving them death threats, giving them like sexual assault threats and threatening their families as well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And we’ve seen the real consequences of this doxing and surveillance of student organizers, particularly with Mahmoud Khalil, a Syrian-born Columbia student and lead negotiator during the protest. He was the target of a months-long harassment campaign led by pro-Israel groups who have taken credit for identifying him and sending his location to immigration officials. He now faces deportation, even though he has a green card and he has not been charged with a crime. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 2: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Just the last hour, an immigration judge in Louisiana has ruled that Columbia University grad student Mahmoud Khalil can be deported. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The list of student organizers, particularly international students, who have been identified, threatened, and arrested keeps growing. These doxxing campaigns have been used to discourage participation since CUAD began organizing the protests. During the Columbia protests last year, Jalsa remembers the doxxing trucks that drove around campus and the surrounding neighborhood. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And they would have like slides of people’s information being like publicized on like a blipping screen with like all the information, like their phone number, like their name, their affiliation to Columbia. It was very dystopic. Like this was an actual act of digital violence towards our students. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jalsa says that when the trucks parked near the encampments, she and other organizers held up sheets so that others couldn’t read the information being displayed on screen. Even though they were trying to protect students from being doxxed, they weren’t allowed to touch the trucks, so they had to hover in front of them for hours on end. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even if we would like to slightly bump it, like with our shoulder, we would be told, like, you’re liable for arrest. And it’s like, um, it’s a 17-year-old girl. A minor, whose information is on a truck by a stranger. Like, no one is doing anything. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the year since Columbia’s encampment inspired student protests for Palestine across the country, those who participated in demonstrations continue to be targeted. They’ve been identified using facial recognition software, their social media accounts have been monitored for political speech, and they’ve been subjected to intense harassment, both online and in real life. Many have faced suspension or disciplinary actions. Others have been detained and face deportation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Trump administration is also using artificial intelligence to review international students’ social media accounts and revoke their visas if they express pro-Palestinian views. Even though she’s a citizen, Jalsa says she’s cut back on her social media use, and has even used a VPN to search anything related to Palestine, out of caution of ending up on a watch list. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jalsa Drinkard: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is, like, terrifying to hear all these institutions talk about blackmailing students and like banning students. I think that like now because everyone is recording everything and everyone’s being surveilled, basically every word that you say now matters more than ever, for good and for bad. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This isn’t happening in a vacuum. The American right to privacy has been chipped away over the last 75 years. And with the help of rapidly advancing technology, surveillance has been woven into the social fabric of this country. Doxxing would not exist if not for the culture of recording, posting, and reacting to everything on social media. But how can free speech thrive under this level of scrutiny? And how did this become so normalized? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. So to get started on this deep dive, we have to go back to a time when the type of technology that we have today didn’t quite exist yet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So let’s open a new tab. Surveillance before the internet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The point of surveillance is not just to identify people who may be a quote-unquote threat. It’s also to ensure that the status quo remains and that the opposition to the government is suppressed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Don Bell is policy counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, a non-profit watchdog group investigating corruption and misconduct within the federal government. His focus is on surveillance issues. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Surveillance, as we know, or as we kind of understand it in the modern sense, really began during the civil rights movement. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Although the United States had used surveillance on its residents before, it wasn’t until after World War II that the government had the technology for targeted covert monitoring. In the 1950s, as the Cold War ramped up and fear of communism swept the nation, the FBI launched COINTELPRO, or Counter-Intelligence Program, to undermine any perceived Communist Party activity within the United States. They operated without much oversight and used that political fear to justify violating constitutional rights to privacy and free speech. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">J. Edgar Hoover, who was the director of the FBI at the time, expanded the program to surveil, discredit, and disrupt any movement that could be considered, quote unquote, subversive, to the political stability of the country. Under his leadership, the FBI illegally surveilled civil rights groups by claiming that they were infiltrated by communists. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So pre-technology, the way to get a sense of what organizations were doing was infiltrating the organization. So basically having someone who was within the organization attending meetings, reporting on the activities of the people, taking notes on the people who attended, and wiretaps. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">An infamous case from this era is the FBI’s surveillance of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The FBI started keeping tabs on him in 1955, amid the Montgomery bus boycott. In 1963, during the march on Washington, Dr. King took the podium and called for an end to segregation in an iconic speech. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I have dream today. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was the moment when the FBI identified Dr. King as a leader of the civil rights movement and put a target on his back. J. Edgar Hoover claimed that Dr. King was a communist threat and launched a mass surveillance effort against him. He discussed Dr. Kings public appearances at length in recorded phone conversations with then-president Lyndon B. Johnson. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>J. Edgar Hoover: \u003c/b>I just got word that Martin Luther King will give a press conference at 11 o’clock this morning in Atlanta. Now, the statement King is to make will in a sense condone the national result from the, in human conditions that the Negroes are forced to exist in the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The FBI followed him as he traveled, bugging his home and his hotel rooms. They sent informants to spy on him. They tapped his phones and the phones of any known associates. The FBI also tried to discredit him to the press using information they collected in their extensive surveillance and went as far as blackmailing him. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">There are instances that have been reported where the government or agents would send him letters encouraging to kill himself. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This surveillance extended to other civil rights leaders as well. The FBI broke into their homes and searched them without warrants, and along with the CIA, intercepted the Postal Service to read and record letters between activists. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you were a prominent figure you were probably surveilled by the federal government. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They sent informants to infiltrate organizations like the Black Panther Party. To suppress the movement, the FBI even coordinated the assassination of one of its leaders. In 1969, the police raided a Chicago apartment in the middle of the night and opened fire on the Black Panther Party members who were sleeping inside. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Akua Njeri: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Someone came into the room. Started shaking the chairman, said chairman, chairman wake up, I looked up and I saw bullets coming from what looked like the front of the apartment from the kitchen area. And the pigs were just shooting. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That was Akua Njeri from the documentary “The Murder of Fred Hampton.” In the raid, law enforcement officers shot and killed Black Panther Party chairman Fred Hampton, who had been sedated by an FBI informant earlier that evening. He was only 21. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Fred Hampton: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t believe I’m going to die because I’ve got a bad heart. I don’t believe I’m gonna die because of lung cancer. I believe that I’m gonna be able to die high off the people. I believe I will be able die as a revolutionary in the international revolutionary proletarian struggle. Why don’t you live for the people? Why don’t you struggle for the people? Why don’t you die for the peoples? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The general public didn’t know about the existence of COINTELPRO surveillance until 1971, when an activist group broke into FBI offices, stole dossiers, and anonymously mailed them to newspapers. Over the next few years, a string of investigations revealed a few ways that the government was spying on civilians. One of those investigations was prompted by the Watergate scandal, which revealed that President Richard Nixon’s campaign broke into and bugged the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 3: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It all began suddenly last July when an obscure former White House official named Alexander Butterfield appeared as a surprise witness before the Senate Watergate Committee. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Senator: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the President? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alexander Butterfield: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was aware of listening devices. Yes, sir. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The public outrage pushed Congress to figure out just how extensive government surveillance had become. So in 1975, the Senate Church Committee, an investigation led by Senator Frank Church, revealed shocking CIA, FBI, and NSA operations that were conducted without Congress’s knowledge or approval. These included assassination attempts of foreign leaders, brainwashing experiments conducted on American citizens and the extensive surveillance of civil rights leaders, anti-war protesters, and anyone associated with Black liberation organizations. COINTELPRO even targeted actress Jane Fonda because she openly supported the Black Panther Party. After the final report about COINTELPRO was published, Frank Church went on Meet press and warns that any American could be surveilled. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Frank Church: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">No American would have any privacy left, such as the capability to monitor everything. Telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This investigation prompted a period of surveillance reform, including the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA. It requires federal agencies to demonstrate probable cause and obtain warrants for wiretapping and other surveillance tactics. Basically, they have to show proof of why they think a crime has been committed. It’s not just a vibe check. 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We’ll get to that after this break. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, we’re back. Let’s open a new tab. Surveillance after 9/11. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The country was shaken after 9/11. Americans were grieving and were terrified that it could happen again, especially in other large cities. Mainstream news coverage flooded TVs with racist stereotypes and stoked fears of terrorists as Muslim and brown. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 4: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, for many Americans, the terrorist attacks brought the Islamic faith and its followers under intense scrutiny. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Soon after 9/11, threatening letters laced with the deadly bacteria anthrax circulated in the mail. This exacerbated fears of terrorism and amplified the pressure on the government to do something to prevent another attack. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Reporter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Investigators still don’t know where it came from, but the anthrax that killed two Washington postal workers seems to have the hallmarks of a sophisticated weapon built by someone who knows how to deliver a lethal blow. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You think about anthrax attacks that happen afterward. You know, there’s this feeling that something needs to be done. You have, you know, the start of surveillance initially. You think it’s targeted, not really. And then over time, the mission creep expands. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So when President George W. Bush declared a war on terror, most of the public accepted the sudden increase in policing and surveillance, even if it meant giving up privacy and rolling back reforms. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>George W. Bush: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Congress was a willing partner in the war on terror and passed the Patriot Act just six weeks after 9/11. This law authorized the government to surveil anyone in the name of national security. It allowed the government to record phone calls and access emails and texts without a warrant or probable cause. It allowed secret searches of people’s homes and businesses. And it made it easier for government agencies to share information, which removed a lot of privacy protections. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After 9/11, I think a lot of people recognized that there were too many information silos. In the wake of that, Congress decided to combine almost two dozen federal agencies into the Department of Homeland Security with the idea of if we have all of these agencies working together, they will be able to share information, share intelligence, and we’ll people stop terrorist attacks. And you see at this time an ethos of “collect it all.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Muslim Americans were disproportionately targeted. And so was anyone who looked brown. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then you see the abuses, particularly among Muslim residents in America. You see the surveillance of Muslims in New York City. That’s pretty pervasive. And then you get to dragnet surveillance and abuses that happen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dragnet surveillance is exactly what it sounds like. It’s like casting a giant net over the ocean and dragging it through the water, catching everything in its wake. It’s a practice of collecting and analyzing information on everyone, instead of targeting individuals who are suspected of crime. You can’t opt out of it, and there’s no probable cause involved. Soon after the Patriot Act passed, all Americans were being watched. Dragnet surveillance had become the norm. But many legal experts argue that dragnet surveillance violates the Fourth Amendment guaranteed right to privacy. It protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures of their property. Under the Fourth Amendment, the government can’t search everyone’s property just because they suspect one person of a crime. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think dragnet surveillance is about as anathema to the constitution as you can get. You know, if the police show up to my home and they just want to come in and search about for something, you need a warrant. You need probable cause. You need a judge to give you a warrant, give you the permission to do that. But technology is this thread that changes our relationship with the constitution and amendment itself. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This may sound familiar because we just talked about a similar cycle of surveillance in the name of national security that played out during the civil rights movement. Back then, they said it was to stop communism. And it happened again, but this time they said, it was just stop terrorism. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You see a recurring theme, right? You see surveillance that starts out as targeted, then you see surveillance that exceeds its mandate with mission creep over the years. Then you see abuses, then you the disclosure of the abuses and this outrage that leads to change. And then you another national event that leads the process starting all over again. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s different about this cycle is the dragnet. Mass surveillance has become so widespread because technology has advanced exponentially faster than laws can adapt. The constitutional right to privacy has been redefined throughout American history. It’s less clear when it comes to digital privacy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So you think about, you know, you don’t have telephones, but then you have telephones. Then you have the advent of the internet. Then within the internet, email. All of these things that can collect personal information and data and would be harmful to a person if they were exposed to the government or just exposed in general. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Patriotism surged in the aftermath of 9/11. Trust in the government reached historic highs, and the president’s approval rating shot up. But this 9/11 effect was short-lived. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq dragged on, the government failed to uncover evidence of so-called weapons of mass destruction, and public support waned. And Americans were less thrilled when the consequences of the Patriot Act became more apparent. Under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts, federal and state intelligence agencies closely surveilled peaceful anti-war protests. The NSA tapped hundreds of Americans’ phones and monitored their international calls. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And the Patriot Act gave the FBI the authority to collect any record that could be relevant to a terrorism investigation, like papers, documents, or books. Under this part of the Patriot Act, The FBI demanded that libraries hand over their patrons’ borrowing records. That became known as the library provision, and civil liberties organizations questioned whether it would be used to suppress speech. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the early 2000s, people were horrified at the idea of the NSA intercepting and reading emails. But a decade later, Americans were quickly adapting to smartphones and social media, which are treasure troves of personal data. We were checking in on Foursquare, using traceable hashtags on Twitter, and making all of our social connections publicly known on Facebook. We posted all about our personal lives on Instagram and Snapchat and Tumblr. You could trace someone’s entire day with one good scroll. The majority of Americans freely gave up this personal information without knowing the consequences of it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Back in the day, the FBI had to hire informants to bug Dr. King’s phone figure out who his associates were and where they were located. With social media and smartphones, we were doing the work for them. But the full extent of post-9/11 dragnet surveillance wasn’t publicly known until 2013, when 29-year-old defense contractor Edward Snowden leaked proof of the NSA’s activities. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Linda Wertheimer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Just one day after we learned that the National Security Agency has been secretly collecting telephone records from millions of Americans, it’s been revealed that the agency is also running a massive internet surveillance program. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Snowden’s leaks not only confirmed the existence and scale of the government’s mass surveillance programs, but also proved that surveillance under the Obama administration had actually expanded. The leaks revealed that the government wasn’t just spying on suspects, it was spying on everyone, even working with foreign intelligence agencies to do so. Here’s Edward Snowden speaking to The Guardian days after the leak. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Edward Snowden: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Originally, we saw that focus very narrowly tailored as foreign intelligence gathered overseas. Now, increasingly, we see that it’s happening domestically. And to do that, they, the NSA specifically, targets the communications of everyone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Don Bell was a law student at the time, and he says that he was absolutely horrified learning this information. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t think Americans were aware of what was happening at the time, but I think that’s partly because technology was changing so quickly that the law hadn’t kept up in ensuring that Fourth Amendment protections were going to be followed by intelligence agencies that were pushing the boundaries of the law because they were working with technologies that previously weren’t even feasible. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The cycle that Dawn mentioned earlier, it played out again following the NSA leaks. Disclosure led to outrage and outrage led to change. In 2015, the USA Freedom Act was signed into law by President Barack Obama, revising the Patriot Act and curbing the NSA’s data collection. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Barack Obama: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The USA Freedom Act also accomplishes something I called for a year and a half ago. It ends the bulk metadata program, the bulk collection of phone records, as it currently exists, and puts in place new reforms. The government will no longer hold these records. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Three years later, the Supreme Court ruled that the government had violated Fourth Amendment rights by obtaining cell phone location data without a warrant. The court’s ruling on the case, Carpenter v. United States, established that people still have the right to privacy when it comes to their data, even if they voluntarily share that data with a third party, like their cell phone provider. The government can’t go to a phone company and demand a person’s location data without a warrant now. That was seven years ago. Clearly, that decision did not stop digital policing. Intelligence and law enforcement agencies are still collecting unprecedented amounts of data on Americans. And these days, it’s basically impossible to opt out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Don Bell: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And today I think we’re in an even more dangerous era because there are so many technological devices that collect information on us that is highly sensitive, highly personal, and in an increasingly technology-based world, it’s necessary for us to use those devices to fully function in society. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems like dragnet surveillance is actually more pervasive than ever before. So what happened, or didn’t happen, to get to this point? And how is this new era of surveillance different from previous ones throughout history? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s a new tab, which we’ll get into in our next episode, where we’ll dive into cutting edge surveillance tactics and how they’re used to target political speech. So we’re actually leaving these tabs open for now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On the next episode of Close All Tabs:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nicol Turner Lee: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My mother used to say this all the time, “If you’re not in the kitchen, you’re on the menu.” So we are all on the menu, even though we think we live in a society where there’s some level of privacy maybe in the context of our living rooms. In actuality, when you leave your home and you walk out that door, you are actually in a surveillance capitalist society. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. Our producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our senior editor. Jen Chien is KQED’s director of podcasts and helps edit the show. Alan Montecillo edited this episode. Sound design by Maya Cueva. Original music by Chris Egusa. Additional music by APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard and Katherine Monahan. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our podcast operations manager and Holly Kernan is our chief content officer. Support for this program comes from Birong Hu and supporters of the KQED Studios Fund. Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by the Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco, Northern California Local. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keyboard sounds were recorded on my purple and pink Dustsilver K84 wired mechanical keyboard, with Gateron red switches. If you have feedback or a topic you think we should cover, hit us up at CloseAllTabs@KQED.org. Follow us on Instagram @CloseAllTabsPod or drop it on Discord. We’re in the Close All Tabs channel at discord.gg/kqed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And if you’re enjoying the show, give us a rating on Apple Podcasts or whatever platform you use. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for listening. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>When Kathie Moehlig’s personal information was leaked online five years ago, she didn’t believe she had enough options to fight back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There was no recourse that I had to be able to go and have this individual held accountable for the risk at which they put myself and my family,” the founder of TransFamily Support Services said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A bill now before the California Legislature aims to change that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Doxxing — when someone shares another’s personal information online with the intent to harm — is a crime. It isn’t often prosecuted, however, because of the high threshold for evidence, such as proving who first posted the information and why. In the last five years, for instance, prosecutors filed 30 cases of doxxing in Orange County — and just one in Sacramento County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://digitaldemocracy.calmatters.org/bills/ca_202320240ab1979\">Assembly Bill 1979\u003c/a> would allow victims to sue those responsible for doxxing in civil court for as much as $30,000, plus attorneys’ fees and court costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We see doxxing as a very extreme form of privacy invasion with a lot of distress and anxiety,” said \u003ca href=\"https://digitaldemocracy.calmatters.org/legislators/christopher-ward-35497\">Assemblymember Chris Ward\u003c/a>, a San Diego Democrat and \u003ca href=\"https://a78.asmdc.org/press-releases/20240402-assemblymember-ward-introduces-bill-provide-recourse-doxing-victims\">co-author of the bill\u003c/a>. “Victims are often left to work through a lot of emotional, physical, financial or other damages on their own, and they’re not made whole because there’s no ability to recapture any civil penalty to be able to support them on their journey to recovery.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Assembly passed the bill last month, as did the Senate judiciary committee earlier this month. It’s set to go before the appropriations committee on Monday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to TransFamily Support Services, the bill has support from several other LGBTQ+ organizations — including the California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus and Equality California — as well as the Anti-Defamation League and the cities of Sacramento and San Diego. No organizations have said they oppose it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Six states have similar anti-doxxing laws that provide civil protections, and a few others failed to pass laws this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://digitaldemocracy.calmatters.org/legislators/cecilia-aguiar-curry-101332\">Assemblymember Cecilia Aguiar-Curry\u003c/a>, a Democrat from Davis and the bill’s other co-author said she has been a victim of doxxing. Late one night, she got a threatening text from an unknown number with information about her home address and family. Assembly sergeants were able to find the doxxer, who was sentenced to five years probation, Aguiar-Curry told CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was frightening,” she said. “Now people have the availability of personal information online, and the presence of social media everywhere in our lives has made doxxing an even greater threat to all of us. My privacy has been touched. My safety was touched.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Doxxing’s impact on LGBTQ+ community\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/2024-06/online-hate-and-harassment-the-american-experience-v2024.pdf\">2024 Anti-Defamation League report\u003c/a>, LBGTQ+ respondents had the highest levels of severe online harassment compared to other demographic groups: 45% of transgender respondents said they had experienced severe online harassment — including doxxing — in the last year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While there isn’t much data available on doxxing alone, LBGTQ+ organization leaders agree it’s prevalent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11992252\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11992252\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003.jpg\" alt='A white woman wearing glasses and a t-shirt that says \"Support Trans Youth\" stands in front of a home with a rainbow-colored LGBTQ+ flag.' width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/082622-Trans-Rights-SB107-Kathie-Moehlig-AD-CM-003-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kathie Moehlig at her home in Rancho Bernardo in San Diego on Aug. 26, 2022. \u003ccite>(Ariana Drehsler/CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“So if people are sending out your information and posting on social media where you live, that is going to cause harm, distress and anxiety,” said Jorge Reyes Salinas, communications director at Equality California. “That’s just the mental health component, but of course, that could literally lead to someone going to your home, where you are the most safe and causing harm or even potential death.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Moehlig founded TransFamily Support Services 10 years ago, a couple of years after she struggled to find care for her 11-year-old son when he decided to transition. She said that after being doxxed, she didn’t feel safe in her own home and was worried about her son.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s that piece of feeling targeted, feeling like you have to look behind your shoulder all the time, and having to be more aware of the risks that are involved in just trying to make the world a safer place for my child and the other people we serve,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Moehlig and Reyes Salinas said the \u003ca href=\"https://translegislation.com/learn\">rise of anti-trans legislation\u003c/a> and hate rhetoric throughout the country has increased online harassment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Those attacks have definitely caused individuals and their allies to maybe take a pause,” Moehlig said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Doxxing of Gaza war protesters and counterprotesters\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When pro-Israel counterprotesters \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/2024/05/ucla-protests-palestine-photos/\">attacked a UCLA encampment in May\u003c/a>, people online rushed to identify them and post their information publicly — including their faces, license plate numbers and workplaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Information on many pro-Palestinian protesters has been posted on the Canary Mission website, which states that its goal is to “document individuals and organizations that promote hatred of the USA, Israel and Jews on North American college campuses and beyond.” The website contains the faces of hundreds of people who have expressed their support of Palestinians or criticized Israel, sometimes with details on where they live or their social media accounts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To protect themselves, many protesters and counterprotesters have chosen to remain anonymous in interviews with journalists or wear masks or other face coverings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass announced Monday — the day after a \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletter/california-ballot-bond-issues/#wm-story-2\">violent protest at an L.A. synagogue\u003c/a> — that she would consider implementing mask bans at protests. Jeffrey Abrams, ADL’s Los Angeles regional director, said at the same press conference that he supports looking into a mask ban.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an interview before the press conference, Mark Levine, the Anti-Defamation League’s Central Pacific regional director, said that the group’s support of doxxing victims is a “longstanding position” that is unrelated to current events.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11979853,science_1985952\" label=\"Related Stories\"]“Doxxing is doxxing,” Ward said when asked how his bill would apply to Gaza war protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"h-the-legislator-who-voted-no\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">The legislator who voted ‘no’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>While the bill received near-unanimous support, \u003ca href=\"https://digitaldemocracy.calmatters.org/legislators/diane-dixon-165458\">Assemblymember Diane Dixon\u003c/a> cast the sole “no” vote on the Assembly floor. She said in an interview that the bill isn’t needed because it’s already a crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Private right to action brings a lot of unnecessary lawsuits and clogs up our courts for unjustifiable reasons, particularly if there’s already a law against this,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dixon, a Republican from Newport Beach, also argued that doxxing isn’t considered a hate crime in California — referencing a \u003ca href=\"https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/Hate%20Crime%20In%20CA%202022f.pdf\">2022 hate crime report\u003c/a> from California Attorney General Rob Bonta’s office — and that the bill raises free speech concerns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People can be suing one another if they feel offended without being physically threatened,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked about freedom of speech, Ward and Levine pointed to the bill language, which specifies that doxxing is done with “the purpose of imminently causing that other person unwanted physical contact, injury or harassment.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If people are not acting with a level of the intent to harass an individual — and with the reckless disregard that the information posted will be used to carry out criminal conduct such as death, injury or stalking — anti-doxxing laws should not apply,” Levine said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Moehlig said what happened to her shows the need for the bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Having another tool, another piece to help deter this kind of behavior, is really important,” she said. “Having the opportunity as a victim to be able to stand up to it in a civil court helps to bring some power back to people who are victims.”\u003c/p>\n\n",
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It’s set to go before the appropriations committee on Monday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to TransFamily Support Services, the bill has support from several other LGBTQ+ organizations — including the California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus and Equality California — as well as the Anti-Defamation League and the cities of Sacramento and San Diego. No organizations have said they oppose it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Six states have similar anti-doxxing laws that provide civil protections, and a few others failed to pass laws this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://digitaldemocracy.calmatters.org/legislators/cecilia-aguiar-curry-101332\">Assemblymember Cecilia Aguiar-Curry\u003c/a>, a Democrat from Davis and the bill’s other co-author said she has been a victim of doxxing. Late one night, she got a threatening text from an unknown number with information about her home address and family. 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"content": "\u003cp>Many parents share photos and videos of children on social media: birth announcements, making (an adorable) mess at the dinner table, and milestones like a first step.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But there are potential dangers to constantly posting about your child online, says \u003ca href=\"https://hls.harvard.edu/faculty/leah-a-plunkett/\">Leah Plunkett\u003c/a>, a faculty member at Harvard Law School who specializes in children, family law and technology. In Plunkett’s 2019 book \u003ca href=\"https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262539630/sharenthood/\">\u003cem>Sharenthood: Why We Should Think Before We Talk About Our Kids Online\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, she explains how adults can put children’s privacy and personal data at risk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This phenomenon is called “sharenting,” says Plunkett. Legal scholars in her field use the term — a portmanteau of “sharing” and “parenting” — to describe “all the ways that parents, aunts, uncles, teachers, coaches and other trusted adults in a kiddo’s life transmit children’s private information digitally.” It can make kids vulnerable to identity theft and harassment. And as they grow older, it may undercut their ability to tell their own story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plunkett talks to Life Kit about the different harms of oversharing, how to post information about your kid safely, and how to talk to loved ones about your limits. This interview has been edited for length and clarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Parents share a surprising amount of data about their kids online. A birthday photo, for example, can reveal a kid’s name, age and date of birth. What are some of the privacy concerns around that? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is a thriving black market for personally identifiable information. Kids’ Social Security numbers, when combined with date of birth, name and address, are often good targets for identity theft. Most minors don’t have credit attached to their Social Security numbers, so [someone may be able to use them to] open fraudulent lines of credit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Creditors don’t verify the age of applicants, so a bad actor \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://dos.ny.gov/what-you-should-know-about-child-identity-theft\">\u003cstrong>could potentially open a credit card without anyone noticing\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> until the kid becomes an adult and wants a card of their own. What are some other security risks?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are tragic cases of stalking, bullying and harassment. They are rare, but they do happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>So someone could use social media to figure out where your kid lives, goes to school and their patterns and routines. They could also learn about their likes and dislikes and insidiously use them.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other people don’t need to have information about the ins and outs of your child’s emotional and personal life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2024/05/16/sol-cotti-x-npr---sharenting_spot_sq-74ba89c1984245f8b913c0129f8f1c39b7fc86cb.jpg?s=1200&c=75&f=jpeg\">\u003cfigcaption>\u003ccite> (Sol Cotti for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You write in your book that children’s data is a form of currency. And there’s the adage that if a product is free, \u003c/strong>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>you\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003cstrong> are the product. What should adults think about when giving a company their child’s data? Or when reading the fine print on a social media platform?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Parents should be aware that they’re not going to know at the moment where a piece of information, photo or video, might go. When we click “I accept,” those agreements give companies and third parties a lot of latitude about what they can do with your data.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After my book came out, \u003cem>The New York Times\u003c/em> ran a big investigative piece about how social media photos of toddlers and young children had been surreptitiously \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/11/technology/flickr-facial-recognition.html\">used to train facial recognition software\u003c/a>. That’s one of many examples.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, at some point down the road, maybe somebody makes a decision about your child based on the stuff you’ve put out about them — how your child is doing at school, how they’re moving through the world. Maybe that is an individual human decision-maker. Maybe that is an algorithmically driven data analysis product.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>And when you mean decision-makers, that could be a university recruiter or a hiring manager. And that may affect your child’s ability to tell their own story. \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To themselves or others in the future. If the world is figuring out significant things about who they are online and making projections about who they’re going to be, it can undercut their ability to figure that out for themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reading your book, it’s clear you’re not like a Luddite. You have kids, but you haven’t sworn off social media. How do you avoid oversharing the digital realm?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since I started researching this topic, I adjusted my compass to be very minimalist. I pretty much never post my kids on social media. If I do, you don’t see their faces or anything that would identify them. I don’t use full names. I don’t celebrate their birthday on social media. I don’t show the kids standing in front of where they go to school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I follow a “holiday card-or-less” rule of thumb when sharing on social media: updates you’d be comfortable with anyone, from your great aunt to your boss, seeing. Information that’s not going to embarrass anybody and isn’t particularly private.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Personally, my wife and I are pretty tight about the pictures we share of our child. How do we prevent other people, like family and friends, from taking photos of them at, say, a baptism or a birthday party and posting it online? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For something like a baptism or another rite of passage, it’s probably impossible to get everyone to not celebrate their joy and pride by taking out a phone. But it is OK to make a gentle request. You might say: \u003cem>Thank you so much for being in this moment with us. To be in the moment, we would request that you refrain from pictures or videos\u003c/em>. [aside postID=news_11985949 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/AP24134775174210-1020x680.jpg']Some people will listen, some people won’t. Then, make the call about whether or not it matters enough to you to follow up privately with the people who you see taking pictures and videos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How do you model digital consent with your kids?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The conversation starts with very young kids. Explain what you’re doing, why you’re doing it, and where the image or video is going. You might say something like, “Hey, we’re having a really great meal. We’re using a recipe your grandfather sent us. I’m going to take a picture for him. Everybody smile for Grandpa.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You could also ask your kid at a pretty young age, “Are you OK with taking a photo? Anyone not feeling up for it?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What questions should parents ask themselves before they hit post?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Are you posting a picture of your child in any state of undress? If you are, please don’t post it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Are you sharing your child’s location, full name or date of birth? If you are, think about whether that level of detail is necessary for your post.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If your parents shared a similar post about you at this age, how would you have felt about it? If the answer is that it would have bothered you, take another minute to think about what you need from this post.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What advice do you have for parents who often share photos and videos of their children and their lives on social media? Is it too late for them? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I had the same reaction when I started researching all of this, and I’m here to tell you, take a deep breath. Don’t panic. If you want to change, go back over your social media posts and take down what you’re not so sure about. Then, make your settings private.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Please don’t be hard on yourselves. 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