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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>Below are excerpts from their conversation, edited for brevity and clarity. For the full interview, listen to the audio linked at the top of this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Atop the rolling hills of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/san-jose\">East San José\u003c/a> sits the largest \u003ca href=\"https://www.sanjose.org/listings/sikh-gurdwara-sahib\">Sikh temple\u003c/a> in the United States, its white domes visible for miles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Inside, on an October Sunday, music drifted through the prayer hall and congregants made their way to\u003cem> langar\u003c/em>, the community kitchen where free meals are served each day. For decades, this gurdwara has been both a spiritual anchor and a lifeline for tens of thousands of worshippers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But over the past year, a quiet, growing fear has settled into the space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>South Asians are rarely included in conversations about undocumented communities, yet 35,000 people from India were \u003ca href=\"https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters\">apprehended\u003c/a> at the U.S. border this year — many of them Punjabi Sikhs. Some arrive seeking political refuge; others come on temporary visas and take low-wage jobs that leave them especially exposed when immigration policy shifts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following a January \u003ca href=\"https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/01/21/statement-dhs-spokesperson-directives-expanding-law-enforcement-and-ending-abuse\">memo\u003c/a> from the Department of Homeland Security, expanding where officers can operate, federal immigration agents are more routinely showing up at formerly protected “sensitive locations” — hospitals, clinics, schools and places of worship. The intensification of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053380/as-ice-arrests-surge-a-journalist-in-southern-california-covers-raids-in-her-own-backyard\">ICE enforcement across California\u003c/a> has left many Sikh immigrants wondering whether even their gurdwaras are still safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12066899\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12066899\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tanay Gokhale, a journalist covering how immigration enforcement affects Punjabi Sikh residents across California, stands in front of Gurdwara Sahib Hayward, a Sikh temple established in 1993, in Hayward on Dec. 11, 2025. \u003ccite>(Gustavo Hernandez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Gurdwaras act as a touchstone for medical care, social services and community support for Sikh Punjabi immigrants and their families. With Punjabi being the \u003ca href=\"https://mesa.ucdavis.edu/punjabi#:~:text=Why%20Learn%20Punjabi?,that%20started%20in%20the%201890s.\">third\u003c/a> most-spoken language in several California counties, many find solace in the in-language information the space offers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Journalist Tanay Gokhale spent the past year with this community, reporting for \u003ca href=\"https://indiacurrents.com/whats-at-stake-in-the-battle-to-keep-ice-out-of-gurdwaras/\">India Currents\u003c/a>, a San José–based nonprofit magazine serving South Asian immigrants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He joined \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/program/the-california-report-magazine\">\u003cem>The California Report Magazine\u003c/em>\u003c/a> host Sasha Khokha to explain how rising ICE activity is reshaping daily life for Sikh immigrants in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Below are excerpts from their conversation, edited for brevity and clarity. For the full interview, listen to the audio linked at the top of this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Only why he turned his attention to Sikh Punjabi immigrants\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When the administration’s immigration crackdown started, I was thinking of how this might impact the Indian diaspora. And generally, when you think of the Indian diaspora, you think of an affluent group of well-educated people who are accomplished.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But few people know that Indians are actually the fifth-largest \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/#:~:text=After%20Mexico%2C%20the%20countries%20with%20the%20largest,(850%2C000)%20*%20Honduras%20(775%2C000)%20*%20India%20(680%2C000)\">undocumented\u003c/a> group in the country. And this community is largely underreported and a lot of these people are Sikhs coming from [the state of] Punjab to settle in California. They’re working \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11849926/why-farmers-drove-a-tractor-to-protest-at-the-indian-consulate-in-san-francisco\">blue-collar jobs like agricultural labor\u003c/a> or in the trucking industry. I also thought about how the immigration crackdown is also impacting immigrants’ health outcomes because people are more afraid to go out and seek health care.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On what changed after President Donald Trump took office in January of 2025\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The DHS issued the memo on Jan. 21, right after the Trump administration took charge. It basically allowed ICE officers to conduct operations inside places of worship, which in the past was a big no-no unless it was absolutely necessary.[aside postID=news_12053380 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/75ACE4D9-068E-4167-9BD3-CFF3A0BE597B-2000x1335.jpg']Right after the memo came out, there were also some false rumors about ICE raids in gurdwaras across the country, and that further fueled the paranoia and fear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Suddenly, Sikhs around the country were thinking, “Hold on, if I go to the gurdwara every Sunday, but this time when I step out, is there a chance that I’m gonna get picked up by ICE?” And that led to a lot of fear among the community and gurdwaras were reporting a drop in attendance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I spoke to Narenda Singh Thandi, a former Amtrak bus driver who’s now serving as the president of \u003ca href=\"https://indiacurrents.com/whats-at-stake-in-the-battle-to-keep-ice-out-of-gurdwaras/\">the West Sacramento gurdwara\u003c/a>. And he was talking about how he’s concerned that immigration activity would go against the decorum that gurdwaras need to maintain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t want ICE in the temple,” Thandi said. “We don’t want people to go with the shoes on, with guns on, which is against our system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Sikhs go to the gurdwara, their heads are supposed to be covered at all times, and there’s absolutely no weapons allowed inside. You’re also supposed to take your shoes off before you enter the prayer hall. If an ICE operation or a homeland security operation is happening, chances are that officers aren’t necessarily gonna follow that.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On why gurdwaras are essential support hubs — and the cost of staying away\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Gurdwaras are a house of worship, but they’re also kind of like resource hubs for new immigrants, especially those who do not speak English and only speak Punjabi. These are spaces where you pray, but you also seek out fellowship: you meet a familiar-looking face from your city back home in India.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The gurdwara offers all of these wonderful services like you mentioned. So, when you’re seeing a drop in attendance in gurdwaras because of fear of immigration activity, it also means that congregants are not accessing these services, and that can lead to some pretty serious outcomes for their health.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12066902\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-8-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12066902\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-8-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-8-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-8-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-8-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Volunteers prepare food in the langar kitchen at Gurdwara Sahib Hayward in Hayward on Dec. 11, 2025. The Sikh tradition of langar emphasizes community service and equality through shared meals. \u003ccite>(Gustavo Hernandez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I spoke to Dr. Harpreet Singh Pannu. He’s a Kaiser doctor, but on Sundays, he runs a \u003ca href=\"https://indiacurrents.com/language-barriers-cripple-sikh-immigrants-access-to-healthcare/\">free medical clinic\u003c/a> at the San José gurdwara. By training, he’s an internal medicine specialist, but at this gurdwara, he is a physician, he’s a mental health counselor, he’s a health advocate, he’s a health educator — all rolled into one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Especially among older congregants, someone who speaks in Punjabi offers a level of comfort and familiarity that they often cannot find in a hospital, which can seem foreign and sterile.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t make a difference in terms of whether they are documented or undocumented,” Pannu said. “But there is reluctance because they are worried if they come here, they could end up in trouble.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By ‘ending up in trouble,’ he’s talking about getting picked up by ICE in a raid, and this is especially problematic for some of the older congregants who have this as their only point of contact with any sort of health practitioner.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On one man’s quiet support for Sikh detainees\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In 2016, driven purely by his own curiosity, Simran Singh made the 20-minute trip [from his home] to the \u003ca href=\"https://indiacurrents.com/for-sikhs-in-ice-detention-centers-faith-represents-hope/\">Mesa Verde detention center\u003c/a>. He didn’t expect there to be any [South Asian detainees], but was actually surprised to see that there were three.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Detention centers can be really isolating places for detainees.[aside postID=news_12066314 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/251203-SJPRIESTIMMIGRATION00043_TV-KQED.jpg']You’ve just had a months-long journey from India to the U.S. border, and suddenly you find yourself in this place where you have very little personal space and there’s also nobody to talk to because you’re often speaking different languages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A phone call — an international phone call back home — costs 85 cents a minute. You can work an entire day, and you can barely scrape together enough money to speak for one minute to your family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Singh completed a four-hour volunteer course that the detention center offers. And once he completed that, he had access to the detainees. He found that none of the detainees had access to gutke — a holy prayer book that Sikhs usually have on their person — and it is a really important part of prayer and Sikhism and of their faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Most of them weren’t fluent in English,” Singh said, “It was just heartwarming to see them have something that connects them to the outside world so they’re not just isolated in this place.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He visited every week with some langar food, gutke, turban cloths and Punjabi newspapers to keep them updated on what was happening back home in India.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On the battle to protect articles of faith behind bars\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Detainees did not have access to articles of faith — no gutke, no prayer beads, no turban cloths. There’s a lack of awareness and lack of resources on the ICE detention centers part.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12067105\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 1200px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12067105\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle.jpeg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle-160x90.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Simran Singh (middle) during a group tour of the Bakersfield Detention Center that he organized to raise awareness about Sikh detainees among the Sikh diaspora. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Simran Singh.)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For example, in detention centers, detainees cannot keep hardbound books on their person. But the gutke are almost always hardbound because they’re holy and they’re supposed to be kept protected at all times, and they shouldn’t have any damage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Singh found out, he found an importer in India, a manufacturer who makes softbound gutke and he added a layer of zip-close bag protection as security. And then it was okay to distribute them among the detainees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another contentious article of faith is the turban. Sikh men are required to wear a turban to cover the head at all times. It’s very important to them. It’s a representation of their faith. And taking off one’s turban, especially in public, represents great dishonor among practicing Sikhs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in 2022, there were dozens of cases in which Sikh detainees were \u003ca href=\"https://arizonastatelawjournal.org/2022/10/03/a-call-for-accountability-u-s-border-patrol-officers-confiscate-and-discard-sikh-turbans/\">forced\u003c/a> to take off their turbans at the border by immigration officers. In some cases, the turbans were thrown into the trash right in front of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On shared suffering and solidarity\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In some ways, the detainees are all in the same boat with respect to some common struggles. They’re all away from home, they’re all anxious about their future, their families, their finances.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Often, there’s a language barrier that prevents them from connecting, except sometimes through faith. 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Sikh temples serve langar to all visitors, regardless of background or religion. \u003ccite>(Gustavo Hernandez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Singh also found that prayer beads — malas —that he was bringing to Sikh detainees are actually used by multiple faiths. They’re used in Catholicism, Islam, Hinduism and other faiths as well. And that became a point of connection inside the detention center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The South Asian detainees would also take back extra \u003cem>malas\u003c/em> to give out to people and so kind of build this relationship with someone from El Salvador or Mexico,” said Singh. “Neither of you are speaking English well, but now you have something to give to them, and that gesture goes a long way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On why this community needs greater attention and support\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When Singh visited the detention facility for the first time in 2016, he saw three South Asian detainees. Now he’s seeing 65, of which half are Sikhs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s still not enough advocacy and enough support for this population, even within the Indian diaspora. It is heartening to see people like Singh stepping in, doing everything that they can and filling in that gap, but I do think there needs to be more advocacy and support and just general awareness about this population.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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The intensification of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053380/as-ice-arrests-surge-a-journalist-in-southern-california-covers-raids-in-her-own-backyard\">ICE enforcement across California\u003c/a> has left many Sikh immigrants wondering whether even their gurdwaras are still safe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12066899\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12066899\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-3-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tanay Gokhale, a journalist covering how immigration enforcement affects Punjabi Sikh residents across California, stands in front of Gurdwara Sahib Hayward, a Sikh temple established in 1993, in Hayward on Dec. 11, 2025. \u003ccite>(Gustavo Hernandez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Gurdwaras act as a touchstone for medical care, social services and community support for Sikh Punjabi immigrants and their families. With Punjabi being the \u003ca href=\"https://mesa.ucdavis.edu/punjabi#:~:text=Why%20Learn%20Punjabi?,that%20started%20in%20the%201890s.\">third\u003c/a> most-spoken language in several California counties, many find solace in the in-language information the space offers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Journalist Tanay Gokhale spent the past year with this community, reporting for \u003ca href=\"https://indiacurrents.com/whats-at-stake-in-the-battle-to-keep-ice-out-of-gurdwaras/\">India Currents\u003c/a>, a San José–based nonprofit magazine serving South Asian immigrants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He joined \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/program/the-california-report-magazine\">\u003cem>The California Report Magazine\u003c/em>\u003c/a> host Sasha Khokha to explain how rising ICE activity is reshaping daily life for Sikh immigrants in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Below are excerpts from their conversation, edited for brevity and clarity. For the full interview, listen to the audio linked at the top of this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Only why he turned his attention to Sikh Punjabi immigrants\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When the administration’s immigration crackdown started, I was thinking of how this might impact the Indian diaspora. And generally, when you think of the Indian diaspora, you think of an affluent group of well-educated people who are accomplished.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But few people know that Indians are actually the fifth-largest \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/#:~:text=After%20Mexico%2C%20the%20countries%20with%20the%20largest,(850%2C000)%20*%20Honduras%20(775%2C000)%20*%20India%20(680%2C000)\">undocumented\u003c/a> group in the country. And this community is largely underreported and a lot of these people are Sikhs coming from [the state of] Punjab to settle in California. 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And he was talking about how he’s concerned that immigration activity would go against the decorum that gurdwaras need to maintain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t want ICE in the temple,” Thandi said. “We don’t want people to go with the shoes on, with guns on, which is against our system.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Sikhs go to the gurdwara, their heads are supposed to be covered at all times, and there’s absolutely no weapons allowed inside. You’re also supposed to take your shoes off before you enter the prayer hall. If an ICE operation or a homeland security operation is happening, chances are that officers aren’t necessarily gonna follow that.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On why gurdwaras are essential support hubs — and the cost of staying away\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Gurdwaras are a house of worship, but they’re also kind of like resource hubs for new immigrants, especially those who do not speak English and only speak Punjabi. These are spaces where you pray, but you also seek out fellowship: you meet a familiar-looking face from your city back home in India.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The gurdwara offers all of these wonderful services like you mentioned. 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The Sikh tradition of langar emphasizes community service and equality through shared meals. \u003ccite>(Gustavo Hernandez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I spoke to Dr. Harpreet Singh Pannu. He’s a Kaiser doctor, but on Sundays, he runs a \u003ca href=\"https://indiacurrents.com/language-barriers-cripple-sikh-immigrants-access-to-healthcare/\">free medical clinic\u003c/a> at the San José gurdwara. 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He didn’t expect there to be any [South Asian detainees], but was actually surprised to see that there were three.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Detention centers can be really isolating places for detainees.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>You’ve just had a months-long journey from India to the U.S. border, and suddenly you find yourself in this place where you have very little personal space and there’s also nobody to talk to because you’re often speaking different languages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A phone call — an international phone call back home — costs 85 cents a minute. You can work an entire day, and you can barely scrape together enough money to speak for one minute to your family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Singh completed a four-hour volunteer course that the detention center offers. And once he completed that, he had access to the detainees. He found that none of the detainees had access to gutke — a holy prayer book that Sikhs usually have on their person — and it is a really important part of prayer and Sikhism and of their faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Most of them weren’t fluent in English,” Singh said, “It was just heartwarming to see them have something that connects them to the outside world so they’re not just isolated in this place.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He visited every week with some langar food, gutke, turban cloths and Punjabi newspapers to keep them updated on what was happening back home in India.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On the battle to protect articles of faith behind bars\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Detainees did not have access to articles of faith — no gutke, no prayer beads, no turban cloths. There’s a lack of awareness and lack of resources on the ICE detention centers part.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12067105\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 1200px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle.jpeg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12067105\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle.jpeg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/simran-middle-160x90.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Simran Singh (middle) during a group tour of the Bakersfield Detention Center that he organized to raise awareness about Sikh detainees among the Sikh diaspora. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Simran Singh.)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For example, in detention centers, detainees cannot keep hardbound books on their person. But the gutke are almost always hardbound because they’re holy and they’re supposed to be kept protected at all times, and they shouldn’t have any damage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Singh found out, he found an importer in India, a manufacturer who makes softbound gutke and he added a layer of zip-close bag protection as security. And then it was okay to distribute them among the detainees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another contentious article of faith is the turban. Sikh men are required to wear a turban to cover the head at all times. It’s very important to them. It’s a representation of their faith. And taking off one’s turban, especially in public, represents great dishonor among practicing Sikhs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in 2022, there were dozens of cases in which Sikh detainees were \u003ca href=\"https://arizonastatelawjournal.org/2022/10/03/a-call-for-accountability-u-s-border-patrol-officers-confiscate-and-discard-sikh-turbans/\">forced\u003c/a> to take off their turbans at the border by immigration officers. In some cases, the turbans were thrown into the trash right in front of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On shared suffering and solidarity\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In some ways, the detainees are all in the same boat with respect to some common struggles. They’re all away from home, they’re all anxious about their future, their families, their finances.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Often, there’s a language barrier that prevents them from connecting, except sometimes through faith. In that kind of a situation, faith becomes a really powerful thing to hang on to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12066900\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-7-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12066900\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-7-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-7-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-7-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/12/20251211_ICEGURUDWARA_DECEMBER_GH-7-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Worshippers sit on the floor and eat langar, a free communal meal, inside Gurdwara Sahib Hayward in Hayward on Dec. 11, 2025. Sikh temples serve langar to all visitors, regardless of background or religion. \u003ccite>(Gustavo Hernandez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Singh also found that prayer beads — malas —that he was bringing to Sikh detainees are actually used by multiple faiths. They’re used in Catholicism, Islam, Hinduism and other faiths as well. And that became a point of connection inside the detention center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The South Asian detainees would also take back extra \u003cem>malas\u003c/em> to give out to people and so kind of build this relationship with someone from El Salvador or Mexico,” said Singh. “Neither of you are speaking English well, but now you have something to give to them, and that gesture goes a long way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On why this community needs greater attention and support\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>When Singh visited the detention facility for the first time in 2016, he saw three South Asian detainees. Now he’s seeing 65, of which half are Sikhs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s still not enough advocacy and enough support for this population, even within the Indian diaspora. It is heartening to see people like Singh stepping in, doing everything that they can and filling in that gap, but I do think there needs to be more advocacy and support and just general awareness about this population.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cstrong>Update Friday Oct. 24, 2025 12:43 p.m.: \u003c/strong>After bracing for a surge of federal immigration actions, Oakland Mayor Barbara Lee said Friday afternoon that border patrol operations have been cancelled for the entire Bay Area, including Oakland.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Bay Area started bracing for federal troops Wednesday night after the \u003cem>San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/em> first reported that nearly 100 federal agents, including from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, would be coming to the U.S. Coast Guard Island in Alameda for a major immigration enforcement operation in the region. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Then on Thursday morning, Mayor Daniel Lurie announced that President Donald Trump had called off the “surge” in San Francisco. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Links:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12061191/activists-federal-agents-clash-at-coast-guard-base-during-immigration-crackdown\">Federal Agents Injure Activists at Coast Guard Base During Immigration Crackdown\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12061209/lurie-trump-is-calling-off-plans-to-send-federal-troops-to-san-francisco\">Lurie: Trump Is ‘Calling Off’ Plans to Send Federal Troops to San Francisco\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ci>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco-Northern California Local.\u003c/i>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC8741567079&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Ericka Cruz-Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reverend Penny Nixon \u003c/strong>[00:00:09] So we got here about seven in the morning and there was just a really a huge line of cars. We saw people walking up and down the crosswalk to block entrance into the Coast Guard station.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:23] On Thursday morning, federal officials arrived at the entrance to the U.S. Coast Guard base in Oakland. Word had spread that border agents were coming, and the Bay Area started preparing for a surge in immigration enforcement operations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joseph Horseradish \u003c/strong>[00:00:43] Well, it feels like an invasion. I mean, it feel as if the federal government is basically invading our communities to spread terrorism and fear, and it’s working. They’re here. Their houses in my town. And I don’t want them here. They’re awful. They kidnap people. I don’— No, I don’t stand for this. This is not my America.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:08] Protesters say at least two people were injured in clashes with federal agents. One agent appeared to throw a flashbang grenade into the crowd, while another drove over an organizer’s ankle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Reverend Penny Nixon \u003c/strong>[00:01:23] And then somebody threw some explosive that was a very loud bang and kind of scared everybody for a minute. And it confirms what I already know, that this is out of control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:38] Later that day, President Donald Trump called off plans to send federal troops to San Francisco. But leaders in other parts of the Bay Area, like Oakland Mayor Barbara Lee, say they’re still preparing for immigration actions to come.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee \u003c/strong>[00:01:58] In San Francisco, Mayor Lurie received a call from Donald Trump indicating that San Francisco was no longer on his list. That does not mean we are not prepared. We have no idea. This is very fluid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:14] Today, how the Bay is bracing for a surge in immigration enforcement. I feel like the Bay Area hasn’t really seen the kind of big immigration enforcement actions that we’ve seen in L.A., that we have seen in Chicago, but the Bay has always been kind of bracing for that and anticipating it, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:02:45] Well, that’s true. I mean, Trump has talked repeatedly about sending the National Guard to San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:52] Tyche Hendricks is Senior Immigration Editor for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:02:56] He’s so far done this only in cities that are led by Democrats, as you say, Los Angeles, Chicago, Portland. These are places where the move to bring in troops began after a surge in immigration enforcement that then in turn triggered some outrage and resistance. But San Francisco has been aware that this could very well be coming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:21] We’re talking on Thursday afternoon, Tyche, and I’d like to just sort of walk through the last 24 hours or so because it’s been pretty hectic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:03:31] A lot has happened, yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:33] But I want to start with Wednesday when the San Francisco Chronicle reported that the Trump administration would begin deploying federal agents, including Customs and Border Protection to the Coast Guard Island in Alameda starting on Thursday. Tell us a little bit more about what was announced exactly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:03:54] Sure. I mean, I think the first thing to say is that nothing was announced. You know, this is not like a press release saying we’re doing this. ICE told me that they were not involved in this operation, but the Coast Guard told me that Customs and Border Protection officers would be based and supported out of the Coast guard station at Alameda. And then elected officials said that they heard specifically that within Customs and Border Protection, we’re talking about border patrol agents and that there could be up to a hundred of them. And agents did arrive in a convoy of vehicles around dawn, before dawn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:35] I wanna sit with that a little bit because I do feel like the fear is, and I feel like there’s been a lot of rumors that this news meant that ICE was coming to the Bay Area, but it’s in fact border patrol agents. It seems like an important distinction to make.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:04:54] Sure. Let me sort of break that down. Cause these are, you know, lots of acronyms and it can get a little confusing. We have a structure called the Department of Homeland Security, which includes a couple of immigration enforcement agencies. One of them is ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They do immigration enforcement in the interior of the country. The Border Patrol, which is part of another agency called Customs and Border Protection, patrols the borders, the land borders, typically with Canada and Mexico, and arrest people who they think don’t belong in the country and put them into removal proceedings. So those arrests are in some ways kind of similar. These are people who these agents consider are deportable. But the difference is that the Border Patrol typically does not do this kind of work in cities like San Francisco, like LA, Chicago, and yet in the last couple of few months, we have seen Border Patrol agents doing immigration enforcement in those places, and that’s remarkable. Let me just also make another point, which is there is a big ice. Field office in San Francisco and ICE agents are doing immigration enforcement every day, you know, and so that doesn’t stop. So whether or not there’s a surge of other officers from other agencies coming to the Bay Area, you know, ICE does operate here as just part of their routine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:44] Well, that said, Tyche, we’re talking about between 60 to 100 Border Patrol agents being stationed in Alameda. 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In our conversation, the President told me clearly that he was calling off any plans for a federal surge in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:09:15] Apparently Trump said that he had been talking to friends. He specifically mentioned a couple of tech leaders in the Bay area who had counseled him that San Francisco didn’t need this kind of enforcement and that he decided to stand down at least for the time being.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie \u003c/strong>[00:09:39] I told him the same thing that I have told our residents. San Francisco is on the rise. Visitors are coming back. 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But San Francisco has been aware that this could very well be coming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:21] We’re talking on Thursday afternoon, Tyche, and I’d like to just sort of walk through the last 24 hours or so because it’s been pretty hectic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:03:31] A lot has happened, yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:33] But I want to start with Wednesday when the San Francisco Chronicle reported that the Trump administration would begin deploying federal agents, including Customs and Border Protection to the Coast Guard Island in Alameda starting on Thursday. Tell us a little bit more about what was announced exactly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:03:54] Sure. I mean, I think the first thing to say is that nothing was announced. You know, this is not like a press release saying we’re doing this. ICE told me that they were not involved in this operation, but the Coast Guard told me that Customs and Border Protection officers would be based and supported out of the Coast guard station at Alameda. And then elected officials said that they heard specifically that within Customs and Border Protection, we’re talking about border patrol agents and that there could be up to a hundred of them. And agents did arrive in a convoy of vehicles around dawn, before dawn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:35] I wanna sit with that a little bit because I do feel like the fear is, and I feel like there’s been a lot of rumors that this news meant that ICE was coming to the Bay Area, but it’s in fact border patrol agents. It seems like an important distinction to make.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:04:54] Sure. Let me sort of break that down. Cause these are, you know, lots of acronyms and it can get a little confusing. We have a structure called the Department of Homeland Security, which includes a couple of immigration enforcement agencies. One of them is ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They do immigration enforcement in the interior of the country. The Border Patrol, which is part of another agency called Customs and Border Protection, patrols the borders, the land borders, typically with Canada and Mexico, and arrest people who they think don’t belong in the country and put them into removal proceedings. So those arrests are in some ways kind of similar. These are people who these agents consider are deportable. But the difference is that the Border Patrol typically does not do this kind of work in cities like San Francisco, like LA, Chicago, and yet in the last couple of few months, we have seen Border Patrol agents doing immigration enforcement in those places, and that’s remarkable. Let me just also make another point, which is there is a big ice. Field office in San Francisco and ICE agents are doing immigration enforcement every day, you know, and so that doesn’t stop. So whether or not there’s a surge of other officers from other agencies coming to the Bay Area, you know, ICE does operate here as just part of their routine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:44] Well, that said, Tyche, we’re talking about between 60 to 100 Border Patrol agents being stationed in Alameda. 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In our conversation, the President told me clearly that he was calling off any plans for a federal surge in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:09:15] Apparently Trump said that he had been talking to friends. He specifically mentioned a couple of tech leaders in the Bay area who had counseled him that San Francisco didn’t need this kind of enforcement and that he decided to stand down at least for the time being.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie \u003c/strong>[00:09:39] I told him the same thing that I have told our residents. San Francisco is on the rise. Visitors are coming back. Buildings are getting leased and purchased, and workers are coming to the office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:09:54] Lurie has said, look, I could use more collaboration from federal law enforcement like the FBI in our effort to tackle specifically fentanyl dealing specifically in the Tenderloin and maybe other neighborhoods, but you know, not just like soldiers with long guns marching into our neighborhoods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie \u003c/strong>[00:10:17] Our work to keep San Franciscans safe is why San Franciscan’s believe in our city and they believe that we are on the right track.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:28] So does this announcement in San Francisco mean that we’re not gonna see the kind of immigration enforcement surge that the entire Bay Area seemed to have been anticipating?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:10:39] Yeah, again, I think there’s a question mark there. And Lurie was asked that in his press conference on Thursday midday. And he said, look, all I can tell you is what the president told me, which is that we’re calling off this surge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight \u003c/strong>[00:10:57] Should the East Bay and other parts of the region be concerned still?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie \u003c/strong>[00:11:01] Uh, Heather, what the president said to me is that he is calling off the potential search. And that’s all I can say. I was told in the surge was being called off.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:11:16] Is that about the whole Bay Area calling off a surge? Is it just about San Francisco? Unclear. And again, you know, ICE enforcement happens on the regular in the Bay Area and around California. Where we’ve seen it, honestly, in the Bay Area has been more arresting people in the hallways of immigration courthouses, arresting who are coming for their ICE check-ins. 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This is very fluid, but we are moving forward with our plans and we are prepared.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:12:35] And Oakland’s Mayor Barbara Lee spoke on Thursday morning about how her city is preparing for what might come.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Barbara Lee \u003c/strong>[00:12:43] The Oakland Police Department does not and will not assist with immigration and customs enforcement. That policy stands firm, and our assistant chief will outline exactly how we are upholding it under tremendous pressure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:13:03] And I would also say we’re very much hearing it from, you know, from the immigrant advocates who have really ramped up Know Your Rights trainings. In the Bay Area, every county has a rapid response hotline that people are encouraged to call if they see what they suspect is immigration arrests and then, you know, lawyers and trained people can verify what’s going on. School districts saying, look, we know that we have a responsibility under California sanctuary laws to protect the non-public spaces of our schools, to protect the records of our students. I know there are also advocates who are planning to be eyes and ears on street corners where day laborers often congregate to look for jobs, and so there’s a, I think that vigilance will still remain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:14:08] Do we know whether these 60 to 100 federal agents are still here or not?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tyche Hendricks \u003c/strong>[00:14:16] We don’t know. I believe that some number of Customs and Border Protection agents arrived early, early Thursday morning before dawn at the Coast Guard station in Alameda. Mayor Lurie was told by the president that they were standing down, but have they left the Bay Area? I don’t now. 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New questions are being raised about the care of detainees under the Trump administration’s ongoing mass deportation campaign.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/10/02/nx-s1-5387668/california-wildfire-lawsuit-eaton-fire-altadena\">\u003cstrong>Hours Before The Eaton Fire, Distribution Lines Failed And Fire Started In Altadena\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Nine months have passed since the Eaton fire blazed through neighborhoods of Los Angeles County in January, destroying more than 9,000 buildings and causing an estimated billions of dollars in damages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, dozens of lawsuits, including two\u003ca href=\"https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/united-states-sues-southern-california-edison-co-seeking-tens-millions-dollars-damages\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> \u003cu>filed\u003c/u>\u003c/a> by the U.S. Department of Justice, have blamed high power transmission lines managed by the utility company, Southern California Edison, for starting the flames. SoCal Edison acknowledges that its transmission equipment could have been associated with the ignition of a fire that started just after 6 p.m. on Jan. 7, when sparks were\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/26/us/los-angeles-eaton-fire-cause.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> \u003cu>spotted\u003c/u>\u003c/a> near high power lines in Eaton Canyon, in the foothills of the San Gabriel mountains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For months, amongst each other and in groups online, Altadena residents have wondered whether something else might have started fires earlier in their neighborhood. An NPR investigation now reveals that transmission lines were not the only kinds of electrical equipment that caused problems on Jan. 7. Distribution lines that power individual homes malfunctioned in Altadena as early as 11 a.m., NPR found, and at least one fire linked to a problem with a distribution line started in Altadena hours before the sparks near Eaton Canyon. Throughout that morning and afternoon, firefighters were dispatched to different parts of Altadena to respond to problems with power lines. And although SoCal Edison can prevent the damage electrical fires can cause by shutting off the power that flows through power lines, the utility did not turn the power off to most of the circuits in Altadena on Jan. 7, NPR found.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Malfunctions, or “faults,” can happen when falling tree limbs or poles touch power lines and trigger voltage drops in the current running through the wires, said Bob Marshall, the CEO of Whisker Labs, a company that collects voltage activity information from grids across the U.S. Electricity jumping into the air in the form of a spark or arc at points of contact can melt metal parts of the electrical infrastructure that can fall to the ground and ignite wildfires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the calmer weather days leading up to the wildfires that started on Jan. 7, distribution power lines never malfunctioned more than 18 times across LA. But on Jan. 7, as winds across the region reached hurricane strength, the distribution lines malfunctioned more than 200 times in the LA region, Whisker Labs estimates. Three of those malfunctions were in Altadena. The first of the three was at 11 a.m on the eastern side of Altadena, well before the Eaton fire started. Another occurred at 9:38 p.m. in West Altadena, hours before satellite imagery appeared to show the Eaton fire front arrived in that part of the neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"ArticlePage-headline\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2025/10/06/another-immigrant-dies-in-ice-custody-in-california-this-time-in-the-imperial-valley\">\u003cstrong>Another Immigrant Dies In ICE Custody In California\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Another immigrant died in the custody of federal immigration authorities in California, raising new questions about the care of detainees amid the Trump administration’s historic mass deportation campaign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an \u003ca class=\"Link\" href=\"https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/chinese-national-passes-away-regional-medical-center-near-san-diego\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-cms-ai=\"0\">announcement\u003c/a>, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said Huabing Xie, an immigrant from China, had a seizure Friday at the Imperial Regional Detention Facility in Calexico and died that afternoon. Xie had been detained at the Calexico detention center since last month. ICE alleged that Xie was in the U.S. without legal status and said federal agents arrested him on Sept. 12 in Indio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staffers at the center gave Xie CPR and used a \u003ca class=\"Link\" href=\"https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/23020-defibrillator\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-cms-ai=\"0\">defibrillator\u003c/a>, a medical device typically used to shock a patient’s heart, according to ICE. But Xie was later pronounced dead at El Centro Regional Medical Center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Imperial County immigrants’ rights advocates said they were saddened and angered by the news. Imperial Liberation Collaborative organizer Marina Arteaga said Xie’s death fit into a pattern marked by dwindling oversight and increasingly harsh conditions at federal detention centers across the country. “This is not an isolated incident,” Arteaga told KPBS on Monday.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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The suit accused ICE of turning 12-hour holding cells in the downtown office building into a jail where people are detained for days with no beds, hygiene or medical care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thompson said he did not observe egregious conditions on Monday, but he noted that his visit was planned in advance. 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But this summer, President Trump signed an executive order reversing this policy, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12054270/trumps-tectonic-shift-on-homelessness-could-have-dire-impacts-in-california\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">turning a California mandate into a liability.\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Garnet Fire east of Fresno has burned more than 56,000 acres, and \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/california-wildfire-sequoia-trees-burned-sierra-forest-93687ec9d3c431b30887c1bc9c58dc36\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">has reached the McKinley Grove of Giant Sequoias.\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>A San Diego law firm \u003ca href=\"https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2025/09/09/san-diego-class-action-suit-says-ice-courthouse-arrests-are-illegal\">filed a class action lawsuit\u003c/a> against Immigration and Customs Enforcement – arguing that federal agents are breaking the law when they arrest asylum seekers at immigration court.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2 class=\"routes-Site-routes-Post-Title-__Title__title\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12054270/trumps-tectonic-shift-on-homelessness-could-have-dire-impacts-in-california\">\u003cstrong>Trump’s ‘Tectonic Shift’ on Homelessness Is Sending Shockwaves Across California\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>California’s homelessness policy has prioritized getting people into permanent housing with as few barriers as possible. This approach, known as Housing First, has shaped the federal response to homelessness for two decades, and California doubled down in 2016 by \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=WIC§ionNum=8255.\">requiring state-funded programs\u003c/a> to follow its principles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now the Trump administration is trying to scrap it. In late July, the president \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049734/newsoms-office-blasts-trumps-homelessness-order-as-a-harmful-imitation\">issued an executive order\u003c/a> directing federal agencies to stop funding Housing First programs, calling them a failure and turning a California mandate into a liability. The order is the culmination of a backlash that’s been brewing for years — both in California and across the country — as the number of people on the streets keeps ticking up even as the spending on homelessness grows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The debate over Housing First hinges on a clash over both causes and solutions. Is homelessness the result of rampant drug use and untreated mental illness, or of deeper structural forces like sky-high rents, poverty and racism? Should housing be used as a reward for sobriety and treatment, or provided first, as the foundation for recovery? And, perhaps more fundamentally, should housing be a human right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What the federal pullback will mean in California isn’t clear. Local officials are awaiting guidance on whether and how they’ll be able to tap federal dollars. Jonathan Russell, who runs homelessness services for Alameda County, called it a “tectonic shift” that has left local agencies caught between contradictory policies. “There’s a lot of unknowns,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"Page-headline\">\u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/california-wildfire-sequoia-trees-burned-sierra-forest-93687ec9d3c431b30887c1bc9c58dc36\">\u003cstrong>Grove Of Giant Sequoia Trees Threatened By Wildfire\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>A lightning-sparked wildfire in California’s Sierra National Forest burned Tuesday through a grove of giant sequoias and set some of the ancient towering trees on fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wildland firefighters with tree-climbing experience were being sent in to put out the fire burning in the canopies of the beloved trees, said Jay Tracy, a spokesperson for the \u003cspan class=\"LinkEnhancement\">\u003ca class=\"Link AnClick-LinkEnhancement\" href=\"https://apnews.com/article/california-oregon-wildfires-44a8bb7661dc9f275a01c76ada552a92\" data-gtm-enhancement-style=\"LinkEnhancementA\">Garnet Fire ablaze\u003c/a>\u003c/span> in Fresno County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To protect the majestic trees, some estimated to be 3,000 years old, fire crews laid sprinkler lines to increase ground moisture, wrapped the trunks with fire-resistant foil blankets, raked flammable material away from trees and patrolled the area looking for hotspots, he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Garnet Fire, which started on Aug. 24, reached the southeast side of the 100-acre McKinley Grove sometime Sunday night or Monday morning. It’s burned 85 square miles of grass, chaparral and timber in a remote area known for camping and hiking about 60 miles east of Fresno.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"ArticlePage-headline\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2025/09/09/san-diego-class-action-suit-says-ice-courthouse-arrests-are-illegal\">San Diego Class-Action Suit Says ICE Courthouse Arrests Are Illegal\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.singletonschreiber.com/newsroom/pressreleases/singleton-schreiber-files-class-action-to-stop-ice-courthouse-arrests-of-asylum-seekers-in-san-diego\">San Diego law firm filed a class action lawsuit late last week\u003c/a> asking a federal judge to stop Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents from arresting asylum seekers at immigration court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re asking the judge to declare that the agency’s behavior is unlawful,” said Kimberly Hutchison, a civil rights lawyer with locally based Singleton Schreiber.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The firm filed the suit on behalf of two asylum seekers who were \u003ca class=\"Link\" href=\"https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2025/06/12/ice-courthouse-arrests-part-of-trump-administration-strategy-to-speed-up-deportations\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-cms-ai=\"0\">\u003cu>arrested at San Diego’s immigration court earlier this year\u003c/u>\u003c/a>. 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They’re showing up to those same street corners to keep watch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Christy \u003c/strong>[00:01:29] I believe in social justice, I believe right and wrong, and I can’t sit on my hands and say that’s wrong without doing something about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:01:41] Today, why volunteers are adopting street corners for day laborers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:01:56] So I went to this intersection in East Oakland in the morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:02:07] It’s really busy, you know. There’s a lot of parents walking their kids to a nearby school, people waiting for the bus. It was a U-Haul parking lot. 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She lives in Alameda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Christy \u003c/strong>[00:03:54] So I just decided, this seems like something I can do. I’m bilingual, I can look out, I have…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:04:00] And then the other volunteer is Wendy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Wendy \u003c/strong>[00:04:03] Yeah, I’ve been here a few times. This will be my second week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:04:10] And it was really interesting because Wendy works in public health, she actually lives nearby and she said she’d been you know spending time in the mornings there bringing her knitting and like chatting with with workers while she sat there. 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It’s like, how can I, you know, be of service for a community?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:05:18] And then, especially, Christy talked about how she was really distressed by videos of immigration agents violently detaining people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Christy \u003c/strong>[00:05:29] I believe in social justice. I believe in right and wrong and I can’t sit on my hands and say that’s wrong without doing something about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:05:43] And this call that they heard to adopt a day laborer corner, where did it come from? Who’s behind it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:05:50] Yeah, so there’s been an organization for a long time called the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. They’re based in Southern California, but they’re national. They have, I think, dozens of organizations like Street Level Health Project in Oakland that are part of this network. And so what they told me is that for years they’ve encouraged people to sort of make neighbors, employers, other folks to make a connection with these day laborers, you know, and like bring them coffee or not be afraid to chat with them outside of, you know, work projects. When the LA immigration operations started really heating up in the summer, they sort of formalized that initiative and made it into this Adopt a Corner program. They said they got like thousands of people, you know, attending their trainings, and so they’ve had a massive spike in interest, you now, to show up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:06:53] So say I decide to adopt a coroner. Is the goal for me if I see an ICE raid happening or if I see ICE coming to stop that from happening or to stop someone from being detained, what exactly is the goal?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:07:08] No, that is not the goal. The main goal is just to first monitor what’s happening. What we’ve seen with immigration enforcement is often they don’t have identification that says immigration or ICE.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Steve Robles \u003c/strong>[00:07:26] When it comes to adopt a corner, your position is more as a watch out. We want you to be very aware of your surroundings and very vigilant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:07:36] Steve Robles is with Street Level Health Project, which is an organization, I think their office is in the Fruitvale. Steve was talking to the volunteers about what they were expected to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Steve Robles \u003c/strong>[00:07:50] One thing that we’ve noticed is if a truck is large enough to have people standing up in the back, that’s a big red flag because what they’re doing is these raids happen in maybe five minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:08:03] He told them that ICE arrests, especially in public places, can happen very quickly. And their job as volunteers is to, as soon as they spot, you know, this kind of activity happening or something they suspect, this, you know immigration enforcement showing up, to call a number that alerts a wider network of immigrant advocates and lawyers, and at the same time to try to document what’s happening with their cell phones. After arrests happen, people need to figure out who was arrested, you know, and then try to alert the relatives. So there’s that kind of gathering of information that will help later on. It’s getting maybe legal help to people who need it, alerting relatives or friends about what’s happened and that kind stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:08:59] So really like serving as a witness and then helping to activate a chain of events that might allow someone to get more resources and more help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:09:16] For the day laborers themselves, seeing these volunteers, how does that make them feel? Do they feel safer?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:09:34] At first people are like who are these folks you know why are you just standing there and then the day laborers felt like well I mean it’s another pair of eyes right that is here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Julio \u003c/strong>[00:09:45] It’s good that they live here because it’s more protected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:09:49] It feels like there’s more people besides the workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Julio \u003c/strong>[00:09:53] There’s more people, yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:09:54] Julio is a day laborer, originally from Honduras, because of his immigration status, we’re not using his full name. He’s been in the States for a long time, and mostly works construction, landscaping jobs, but he says he comes to this particular corner in Oakland, you know, when he’s done with those jobs and is in between jobs, to try to supplement his income.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:10:22] You have to be careful because you don’t know what’s going to happen. You have a suspicious car coming. We’re all there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:10:32] He was very vigilant while we were talking. A lot of these, I think the immigration enforcement in Southern California has really made these folks who were already concerned about ICE agents showing up be even more worried about that. And because of the nature of their job, I mean, you have like vehicles coming up to them and then a potential employer asking who wants to work, explaining about the terms for the project. But when new people approach, they’re trying to figure out if it’s safe to even come close to that vehicle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:11:09] Yeah, I mean, it sounds incredibly stressful. And I imagine Julio has so many other things going on, you know, trying to get work and, you know trying to also stay in the country. I wonder what is his most pressing need as a day laborer? And like, are initiatives like Adopt a Corner helping him?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:11:30] We’ll see you know what the impact is but for day laborers I mean they’re out there because they need the work. They need to make money they need to pay rent they need to they often send money back to their home countries to their families Julio said he was like sending money to his daughter he’s you know in college in Honduras so I think their most pressing needs remain the same which is you know like make a living. Even though we’ve heard that the number of day laborers definitely went down in these very public spaces, you know, many still need to like make money so they have to come out. And here in Northern California, we have not seen that level of immigration enforcement that we’ve seen in LA. But there’s definitely a sense that people are watching and they’re trying to prepare. And so I think the volunteers I spoke with felt like this was something that they could start doing now to build those relationships, figure out what corner they’re going to be in, and then if needed, they’ll be there. So I think a lot of this is a lot preparation in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:12:44] Yeah, yeah. Sort of picking up on that, you know, on the other side of it, you know, people watching all these things happening, seeing all these viral videos. There have been different responses to it. We’ve seen huge protests in the Bay Area all across California. I’m wondering how you see a program like this, you know, fitting into, like, the broader efforts around, like responding to what’s happening around immigration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:13:10] I think there’s a lot of organizing and trying to reach out to different people that are interested in getting involved. And so I think that there’s been a little more urgency. With this program, in particular, what the volunteers told me is they needed another avenue to feel like they could do something that they believe will help the broader community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Wendy \u003c/strong>[00:13:40] It helps to be actually doing a thing and even if it’s only a little bit useful, you know, because me being here, is that going to prevent people getting picked up by ICE if ICE shows up? 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He’s standing outside on a public corner, waiting to interact with strangers. But these days, it’s even more dangerous because many day laborers, including Julio, are undocumented.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Newsreel \u003c/strong>[00:01:00] This cell phone video shows another raid. This happened at a Home Depot in Westlake. Now agents pulled up in unmarked vans and you can see the panic and the fear in the streets among the street vendors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:01:12] An increase in ICE activity has also led to a lot more fear among day laborers like Julio. But volunteers are responding. They’re showing up to those same street corners to keep watch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Christy \u003c/strong>[00:01:29] I believe in social justice, I believe right and wrong, and I can’t sit on my hands and say that’s wrong without doing something about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:01:41] Today, why volunteers are adopting street corners for day laborers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:01:56] So I went to this intersection in East Oakland in the morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:02:07] It’s really busy, you know. There’s a lot of parents walking their kids to a nearby school, people waiting for the bus. It was a U-Haul parking lot. There was a lot activity there, in addition to about 10 to 12 day laborers waiting for jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:02:23] And why did you want to go to to that corner?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:02:26] Yeah, so that’s where a training was gonna happen for volunteers of a program called Adopt a Day Laborer Corner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Steve Robles \u003c/strong>[00:02:37] Right, the hardest thing is always being a step ahead of this department, right, of this agency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:02:42] The idea is that people who want to support folks who might be at risk of detention by immigration authorities or stops by immigration authorities and who want to just, you know, support physically often vulnerable immigrants like delivers by being there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:03:02] And yeah, I’ve definitely seen corners where, you know, day laborers are waiting for work. 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She lives in Alameda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Christy \u003c/strong>[00:03:54] So I just decided, this seems like something I can do. I’m bilingual, I can look out, I have…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:04:00] And then the other volunteer is Wendy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Wendy \u003c/strong>[00:04:03] Yeah, I’ve been here a few times. This will be my second week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:04:10] And it was really interesting because Wendy works in public health, she actually lives nearby and she said she’d been you know spending time in the mornings there bringing her knitting and like chatting with with workers while she sat there. Both of them spoke Spanish you know they’re you know white American ladies who speak Spanish and so they felt like their jobs were either flexible enough in schedule or they could make time in a morning before their jobs to show up and do this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Wendy \u003c/strong>[00:04:41] I’m not much of one for writing letters or emailing or calling, but this is something I can do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:04:49] Can you tell me a bit more about why they said they were out there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:04:53] So I think both of these women were really activated by the recent bystander videos we’ve seen of federal agents detaining people in the Los Angeles area and nearby counties.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Christy \u003c/strong>[00:05:10] You know, watching what was going on in LA just broke my heart. 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They have, I think, dozens of organizations like Street Level Health Project in Oakland that are part of this network. And so what they told me is that for years they’ve encouraged people to sort of make neighbors, employers, other folks to make a connection with these day laborers, you know, and like bring them coffee or not be afraid to chat with them outside of, you know, work projects. When the LA immigration operations started really heating up in the summer, they sort of formalized that initiative and made it into this Adopt a Corner program. They said they got like thousands of people, you know, attending their trainings, and so they’ve had a massive spike in interest, you now, to show up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:06:53] So say I decide to adopt a coroner. 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Steve was talking to the volunteers about what they were expected to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Steve Robles \u003c/strong>[00:07:50] One thing that we’ve noticed is if a truck is large enough to have people standing up in the back, that’s a big red flag because what they’re doing is these raids happen in maybe five minutes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:08:03] He told them that ICE arrests, especially in public places, can happen very quickly. And their job as volunteers is to, as soon as they spot, you know, this kind of activity happening or something they suspect, this, you know immigration enforcement showing up, to call a number that alerts a wider network of immigrant advocates and lawyers, and at the same time to try to document what’s happening with their cell phones. After arrests happen, people need to figure out who was arrested, you know, and then try to alert the relatives. So there’s that kind of gathering of information that will help later on. It’s getting maybe legal help to people who need it, alerting relatives or friends about what’s happened and that kind stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:08:59] So really like serving as a witness and then helping to activate a chain of events that might allow someone to get more resources and more help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:09:16] For the day laborers themselves, seeing these volunteers, how does that make them feel? 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He’s been in the States for a long time, and mostly works construction, landscaping jobs, but he says he comes to this particular corner in Oakland, you know, when he’s done with those jobs and is in between jobs, to try to supplement his income.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:10:22] You have to be careful because you don’t know what’s going to happen. You have a suspicious car coming. We’re all there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Farida Jhabvala Romero \u003c/strong>[00:10:32] He was very vigilant while we were talking. A lot of these, I think the immigration enforcement in Southern California has really made these folks who were already concerned about ICE agents showing up be even more worried about that. And because of the nature of their job, I mean, you have like vehicles coming up to them and then a potential employer asking who wants to work, explaining about the terms for the project. 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Even though we’ve heard that the number of day laborers definitely went down in these very public spaces, you know, many still need to like make money so they have to come out. And here in Northern California, we have not seen that level of immigration enforcement that we’ve seen in LA. But there’s definitely a sense that people are watching and they’re trying to prepare. And so I think the volunteers I spoke with felt like this was something that they could start doing now to build those relationships, figure out what corner they’re going to be in, and then if needed, they’ll be there. So I think a lot of this is a lot preparation in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Kariisa \u003c/strong>[00:12:44] Yeah, yeah. Sort of picking up on that, you know, on the other side of it, you know, people watching all these things happening, seeing all these viral videos. There have been different responses to it. We’ve seen huge protests in the Bay Area all across California. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In another installment of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Save or Scroll\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, Morgan teams up with internet culture writers Daysia Tolentino and Moises Mendez II to dig into the stories they can’t stop thinking about. From people calling ICE on influencers, to Grindr’s new age verification, to the Labubu matcha Dubai chocolate craze (yes, you heard that correctly), the three of them have plenty to scroll through. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Save or Scroll is our series where we team up with guests for a rapid-fire roundup of internet trends that are filling our feeds right now. At the end of each segment, they’ll decide: is the post just for the group chat, or should we save it for a future episode?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3013135493\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guests: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.daysiatolentino.com/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Daysia Tolentino\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, Yap Year founder and writer at Entertainment Weekly\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/moises-mendez-ii-06073b139/\">Moises Mendez II\u003c/a>, writer at Out Magazine\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Further reading/listening: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://ew.com/5-reasons-love-island-usa-went-completely-off-the-rails-11768285\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">5 reasons ‘Love Island USA’ went completely off the rails this year\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Daysia Tolentino, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Entertainment Weekly \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.wired.com/story/the-obsessive-fans-playing-god-on-love-island-and-living-for-the-crash-outs/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Obsessive Fans Playing God on ‘Love Island’—and Living for the Crash-Outs \u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">— \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jason Parham, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">WIRED\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/grindr-introduces-age-verification-for-uk-based-users-486823/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Grindr introduces age verification for UK-based users\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Aaron Sugg, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Attitude \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/26/grindr-accused-of-treating-gay-man-medical-data-like-piece-of-meat\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Grindr accused of treating gay man’s medical data like ‘piece of meat’ | UK news\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Robert Booth, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Guardian \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/06/18/g-s1-72939/what-is-labubu-pop-mart-explained\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">‘Labubu’ is a plush toy that is causing a frenzy. Here’s its origin story\u003c/span>\u003c/a> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">— Juliana Kim, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NPR\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://aftermath.site/relooted-game-africa-museum-visa-nyamakop-interview\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How Relooted, A Game About Reclaiming African Artifacts From Western Museums, Ended Up Being Shown By A White Guy At Summer Game Fest\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Nathan Grayson, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Aftermath \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/reddit-snark-ice-adam-mcintyre-1235383542/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Reddit Trolls Are Weaponizing Government Agencies Against Creators\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Fortesa Latifi, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Rolling Stone \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Want to give us feedback on the show? Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Follow us on Instagram\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003c/h2>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey guys, welcome to Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Except today, we aren’t opening any tabs. Instead, we’re doing another Save or Scroll. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Occasionally, while scrolling online, I come across a truly wild post, but it might not make sense to spend an entire episode talking about it. Maybe I do a little digging, and it turns out the lore behind it just isn’t compelling enough to justify a deep dive. Sometimes there’s no lore at all. Not everything online is a multi-tab journey. It can just be juicy gossip for the group chat. But that doesn’t mean that these topics aren’t worth yapping about. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So joining us today to do just that are some of my favorite group chat regulars, Daysia Tolentino and Moises Mendez II. Hey, guys. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hello. It’s good to see you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi, thank you so much for having us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for being here. Okay, so you’re both very accomplished internet culture journalists. Do you want to introduce yourselves? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi, my name is Moises Mendez, the second, as we are all aware now. I recently was a culture reporter at Time Magazine, and now I am a staff writer at Out Magazine, so I cover everything from movies, television, to the internet, and beyond. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yay, Daysia, what about you? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, so I’m currently working at Entertainment Weekly covering podcasts and celebrity stuff, but I historically cover internet culture and I cover the internet for my own newsletter, Yap Year. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We love Yap Year here. So we are here to play a game called Save or Scroll. Save as in, when you see a post on TikTok or Instagram or X and you bookmark it because you know you’re going to want to talk about it later. And scroll as in, you keep scrolling and it disappears into the digital ether. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, we’ve each brought a handful of posts that we cannot stop thinking about. And we’re going take turns to see if they’re just for the group chat. Or if they’re actually worth a deep dive on the show. If we decide to scroll, it means we’ve talked about it, we’re moving on. If we decided to save, it means that we may hold onto the idea for a future episode. All right, any questions? How are you feeling? Are you ready? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m so ready. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love a game, so I’m ready. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right, let’s jump in. Daysia, what did you bring us? Tell us about the Love Island drama. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Lord, I don’t know if you guys watched this most recent season of Love Island, but it was basically a mess from the start.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Love Island: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Love Island! Warning, the following program contains love, lust, and the most attractive unemployed people you’ve ever seen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Love Island is a reality TV show that puts a bunch of singles together into a Fiji villa. And basically, everybody couples up over the course of six weeks. And people are obsessed with it because last season was the first USA version of Love Island, which originally started in the UK, to really take off. And then the issues started arising with Yulyssa Escobar getting kicked off early on the second episode of the show, due to resurfaced posts in which she says the N-word. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Another contestant, Cierra Ortega, was also asked to exit the show because of an old Instagram story that she had posted in January 2024 saying the anti-Asian C-slur. And people were upset that action wasn’t taken sooner because apparently it had resurfaced earlier in the season. But essentially, Cierra came out of the villa. She made an apology. Sorry, not apology. She explicitly said it was not an apology video. It was an accountability video. And she agrees that she had to face the consequences and experience a punishment for her behavior. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She was getting death threats, rape threats, and ICE threats. Um, people have called ICE on her family. You know, Cierra is a Latina woman. And she was kind of talking about while showing these screenshots, “Is this still accountability? Is it accountability that you people are still looking for?” But my question is: what is enough? What is the line of punishment when somebody does something wrong? And obviously, there’s no excuse for using racial slurs, and people do need to be held accountable for the things that they say. But that doesn’t justify the messages that she got as a result of this controversy, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I mean, for me at least, you know, being an Asian woman who has been literally called the slur, I do have to wonder how many of the people unleashing this vitriol are actual like allies to Asians, or it’s just easy engagement, you know? I’m like, a lot of times I’m kind of skeptical. I’m like, do you actually care about, you know, the people who were hurt by the use of this slur? Or is it just an outlet? You know what I mean? Moises, what do you think? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I have only two brain cells left, so one of them is dedicated to internet, the other is dedicated to pop culture, but Love Island doesn’t fit in that. So I don’t watch Love Island. But I think that when it comes to this culture of like looking for accountability from public figures online, what is the line? Like where, like if the person is apologizing for the thing that they are being called out for. What more is next, but we’ve talked about how the accountability culture that exists online right now is more just harassment and bullying than it is people actually repenting for their sins or making any sort of tangible change. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think obviously with the calling of ICE on Cierra’s family, that to me is almost fighting racism with racism. And at that point, accountability is not the goal. And that’s how we get to a point where this idea of cancel culture or accountability has become so diluted because people would rather have blood than some sort of harm addressed and repaired. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Absolutely. So on this, do we save or do we scroll? 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Exactly. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sorry, God forbid that’s the solution. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">God forbid we have actual change and growth. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nuance, discussion maybe? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, nuance on the internet? Absolutely not. I’m going with save too on this. I think we should save it. I think this is a conversation that’s going to continue happening for as long as the internet exists because no one knows how to be normal online. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Unfortunately. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, let’s move on. Moises, tell us about Grindr and the current Grindr drama. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So Grindr is a queer social networking app, but it’s basically used as a queer hookup app or dating app. It’s a way for people to find the people closest to them, specifically queer people, but it is mainly for gay men, there are non-binary people and trans people that also exist on the app. The thing about Grindr, is that for as long as it’s been around since 2009, there has been some mess that’s going on in the background. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I wrote a story for the Atlantic about how minors are circumventing these age restrictions and finding their way onto these apps and having conversations with adults. It’s been a topic of conversation for child safety advocates about having age verification on these apps, and most recently Grinder announced that in the UK it would be implementing an age verification tool. There is a lot of conversations about whether this is actually to keep minors off the app, or another way to police queer bodies. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But there’s pros and cons to this issue. The pro is that maybe it’ll be a way for kids to have a roadblock to finding their way into having conversations with adults, because there has been so many reports about Grindr in the last couple of years of minors being sexually assaulted or killed through police reports that they found. But the con is, do we want Grindr to have our data? And do we these big tech companies handling our personal information? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because in the past, Grindr has not had a really great history of handling our data. Back in 2018, they admitted to sharing users’ HIV status to third-party companies. In 2021, they were fined over $6 million in Norway due to data breaches and sharing data without users’ consents. And then 2024, a gay man who is HIV positive said that the app treated user data like a “piece of meat” after his medical data was misused by the app. There’s a lot of conversations about whether or not this is a good thing. I would like for there to not be such an easy route for children to find their way onto these apps, but then I don’t want Grindr to have my personal data and it just becomes this push and pull and we just don’t know exactly how this is gonna play out until it actually is implemented. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But in the US, they said that they don’t have plans right now to implement age verification in the United States. But they said, “We’re always evaluating the best ways to ensure our app is a safe space for adults to make meaningful connections.” So who’s to say? We just have to wait and see. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My question is, how is Grindr going to conduct these age checks? Are they going to store that information? And then, great, they’re just going to have a registry of queer people? That seems safe and very normal in this current political environment. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, in the UK, Grindr said in their statement to me that, “Grindr will utilize age estimation and ID verification technology from FaceTech, while independently managing all data processing to ensure privacy is protected.” So it seems like there will be a third party involved, but who knows what that third party is gonna do with the personal data that’s being used. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So do we save or scroll on this story? What do you think Moises? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, I’m definitely gonna save. It’s something that I have saved in my back pocket because I’ve followed it for years now and there’s definitely more conversations to be had. I definitely plan to speak with data privacy experts about this issue and what’s the best route forward. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about you, Daysia? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I definitely think save. I think age verification is an ongoing issue among not just people in the UK, but in the US, especially with these anti-porn laws. I mean, data privacy is such a huge topic that we kind of fail to address time and time again, especially in America. And so I think this is definitely one of those examples of why we should be paying attention to these measures to protect kids that are also putting our data at risk. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m going with save too. I think this conversation is just going to repeat itself like over and over again until the US has any kind of comprehensive data privacy policy, which, you know, who knows if we’ll ever get that? What a pipe dream. We’ll get back to more saving and more scrolling after the break. Okay, we’re back. Daysia, will you tell us about Labubu, Matcha, Dubai chocolate? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Labubu matcha Dubai chocolate. I just want to say one thing really quickly, which is that I do not subscribe to the Labubu agenda. I have not fallen for the propaganda. And I say this as a Pop Mart girlie. And for those who are unfamiliar, Pop Mart is a Chinese toy company that creates these designer figurines and toys. And Labubu is just one of the characters that have really blown up from Pop Mart. But like any fad, we got to roll everything into one thing to get as much out of a trend as possible. And so we have seen Labubu matcha Dubai chocolate. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mm-hmm. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On the rise! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For those who are uninitiated into the Labubu cult or into the Pop Mart cult, Labubus are these little plush keychains that you can clip onto your bag. It’s a cute little thing. It’s like a little plosh monster toy. I’ve seen people compare them to like beanie babies or Funko Pops or like Jelly Cats and Squishmallows. But it’s a blind box. You don’t know which one you’re going to get. You just keep buying Labubus until you get the one you want. And it like incentivizes you to buy more and more and more because you’re not trying to collect them all. You’re trying to get the one you want. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One hundred percent. So, Dubai chocolate is a trendy kind of candy right now. It is chocolate that is full of pistachios and I think phyllo dough and it has kind of taken over my For You pages and everything, but people have started to mold Dubai chocolate into the shape of a Labubu. Which, you know, Labubu is a fuzzy little monster with crazy pointy teeth. So they have created these chocolate molds in the shape of the monster and you know, added them onto like matcha shakes or matcha drinks, chocolate matcha drinks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like we have these food trends and you know icon trends, if you will, every few years. Every generation has one and now we have this one. And it’s funny because I think this idea of under-consumption core really rose last year as a way to combat these really fast trends that are just clogging up the landfills. They’re taking money out of your wallets. Like it’s very easy to fall for, you know, the hot TikTok shop item of the moment that pops up on your For You page incessantly. And so I think this is a really interesting example of both the worst impulses and maybe… weirdly the best things about microtrends. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Moises, what do you think of the Labubus? Are you a Labubu hater? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">See, I don’t know if you could tell I was a little quiet because I really don’t like Labubus. I’m trying to just take away that demonic energy out of my space. How long do you have them? How long til you get annoyed of them? They take up space. Like they’re not like family heirlooms that you can pass down to like generations. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How dare you! Say that to the woman with the 24-karat Labubu. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guys, can I confess something?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s my queen I love her. Oh God, don’t tell me you have one.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I bought a Labubu. I was back home, I was in Queens, right? Like homeland of the Labubus. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so, for journalism, right, out of curiosity, I dragged my sister to Flushing to Tangram Mall. And I was like, “For this episode, I’m going to go Labubu hunting.” My sister and I went to five locations looking for a Labubu. We went to an anime store: sold out. We went to another store: sold out. We went to the Pop Mart vending machine: gone. I go to the last stop. I’m like, “I’m going to go home if this isn’t it.” So I pull up. My sister and I were like, “Okay, they have Labubus.” I bought one. I got the one I wanted. I was delirious. I was like, “Just give, hand it to me. I’m gonna pick out an outfit.” My sister, and I bought little outfits. They were also overpriced. And I took a picture, went home, it was so adorable. And then I flew back to LA yesterday, like last night. And as I was on the plane, my sister texted me, “You left your child at home,” and just sent me a picture of the Labubu left on my parents’ dining table. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, you know what? No \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All that toiling, all that money wasted, and it’s just sitting in its little fake Dodger’s hat on my parents’ dining table. Anyway, that was my Labubu story. My sister and I got home and she was like, “I feel sick from consumerism.” She was like, “I need to like cleanse myself. I need touch grass.”. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s what consumerism will do to you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. That’s the moral of the story here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So do we save or scroll on Labubus? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We are scrolling, girl. In a year from now, when Labubus aren’t as crazy and hyped up, are you going to want those 50 Labubus? Scroll girl. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What are you gonna do with them? Yeah. Scroll. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m I’m scrolling. I already abandoned my my Labubu child.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She can’t even take care of one Labubu, she can’t have more than one. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I can’t. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The courts will let her. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I have a story for you. Are you familiar with the video game, Relooted? It’s not out yet, but I don’t know if you’ve seen drama about this. Okay, so Relooted was one of the showcase games at Summer Game Fest last month. What stands out about it is what it’s about. Basically, it’s not repatriating artifacts that were stolen from African countries and are now being held in Western museums. So it’s a puzzle game, you know, and each level you have to go into these like fictional museums and steal back these real life artifacts. So the museums in the game are fictional, but the artifacts themselves are real. And they’re like symbols of a very violent colonial history. Yeah, I guess what do you guys think of it like so far? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it’s an interesting premise. I mean, the idea of returning artifacts back to the countries they’re from, I think, should be a no-brainer in real life, but is obviously more contentious than that in practice. I also think it could kind of raise awareness in a way about the issue if people started playing it a lot and thinking more about the actual real life situations in which, you know, artifacts are kept in colonial museums essentially. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What do you think Moises? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, I’m definitely a video game person. I talk about playing Fortnite with my friends and I love a story game. And I definitely would eat this game up just because like the premise is really fun and interesting. I think there’s a lot of games that don’t really have a larger societal issue to talk about. I think it’s definitely exciting to consider. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I saw the videos of the guy presenting it, right, at Summer Game Fest. And the guy who presented the game is the game’s creative director, Ben Myers. And he’s a white South African guy. Moises is shaking his head. And so I had the same response, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That felt like really important information. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was like, okay, who is this guy to be the face of a game about repatriation? But it turns out he was the one to present the game because the dev team is from all over Africa, like Nigeria, Ghana, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe. The studio itself is based in South Africa. It turns out, he was someone to present a game because the developer who was supposed to be face of it and present, couldn’t get a visa into the United States. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so, Ben Myers, the creative director, thinks he got a visa because he has a South African passport, an Australian passport, and a British passport and he’s a white guy. And meanwhile, the developer who was denied, they said that the consulate in South Africa kind of like denied them instantly and that they approved a white visa applicant right after denying theirs. And so the game itself is an inherently like political statement, but the circumstances of the game’s debut have also been now the symbol of this cultural war. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This whole thing opens up a really interesting conversation about many things, right? Which is, first of all, South Africa is still contending with the aftermath of apartheid and to this day, right? And obviously seeing a white man from South Africa present this game, feelings toward that are obviously going to come up. And then you have this added context of, “No, actually, the person who was supposed to actually present the game was denied because of our racist visa system in America.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And the layers of ultimately oppression in this are just so complex. I mean, the ultimate message of this game is talking about ownership and returning artifacts to where they are rightfully from and the people who want to share this message can’t even go to, like, conferences in the US or, you know, events to continue to share this message. So it’s just a double, like slap in the face of oppression there. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. Yes. So on this, save or scroll, Moises, what do you think? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, I think that this is definitely a save because there definitely might be other instances like this and that are going underreported. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about you, Daysia? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m saving. I’m gonna play that game when it comes out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m saving it, it’s called Relooted. Who knows when it’s coming out? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One day. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One day. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ll order it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yay! Okay, I’m saving. Last story for today, Moises, tell us about what’s happening with Reddit snark pages. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So right now, a Reddit snark page is at the center of a very interesting controversy. These snark pages are dedicated to specific influencers, to gossip about them, make comments about things that they’re doing, and you know, basically just there’s a community of people who like to talk about someone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So there’s this influencer named Adam McIntyre, he’s a drama influencer. So he basically recaps pop culture moments, he talks about other influencers and the dramas that they have going on. So Adam is an Irish influencer who came to the US to do a couple shows. He got an O1 visa, but some of the members on his Reddit snark page circulated the photo that he posted of his visa and said that he was issued an R1 visa, which is for people entering the United States to perform religious work, which is not exactly what he did. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Some members of the r/AdamMcIntyre snark page reported him to ICE. So he announced that he was gonna take legal action against the Reddit snark page. And two days later, the snark page was taken down. So it is this really interesting conversation about the way that, not only snark pages, but people who are not fans of certain influencers are trying to deplatform the people that they don’t like, but they’re also trying to put them in harm’s way. Because a lot of what’s going on right now with ICE, especially in Los Angeles and across the country, is a really dangerous moment for immigrants or just people who are visiting here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I mean, this just this whole story is like horrific because I mean we’ve heard about the ways people react to people that they don’t like or disagree with — harassing people, never okay. But sending someone hate mail is one thing and then to call ICE on them as an of violence is just on another level. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It just reminds me again of the Love Island situation. We’ve gotten to a point in internet culture where being a fan of someone or being an anti of someone rather is not enough. Hating on them and talking about them negatively is not enough. I think a lot of people think this is a freaking game and it’s not because people are already being brutalized in ICE detention centers, being held in the most inhumane conditions. And then you wanna subject people to that just because you don’t like them when they’re here legally on a work visa? And whether people understand it or not, what they’re signing up for is enacting harm on these people like Adam. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So for me, this is a save. Moises, what about you? Save or scroll? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Definitely a save, for sure.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Daysia? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">100% a save. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And do we have any closing thoughts on the state of the internet after this wonderful Save or Scroll session? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been so tired by the internet lately because I don’t understand how people can care this much about that many people who are honestly just random people. Especially with these Love Island people. It’s like, I dunno. That pool boy is a pool boy from Florida. Yeah, I didn’t expect him to have the perfect Instagram history. Like… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, yeah. I mean, my closing thought would be that people just need to be a little bit more normal online. But given that all of these tech billionaires that own these platforms, that allow for there to be some of the worst, most vile humans to share their opinions online, uh, it’s only gonna get worse from here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Will you be going offline, will you be logging off, given everything you said? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s hard when you’re an internet culture reporter to log off. It’s almost like throwing your job away. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is. It’s physically impossible. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everybody needs a break, even if it’s a few days. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks so much for joining us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you so much, Morgan! This was so much fun! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you for having us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that’s it for Save or Scroll. We’re keeping tabs on everything we saved, so don’t be surprised if one of these stories shows up as a deep dive on your feed. We’ll be back next week with more Close All tabs. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios, and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. Our producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts and helps edit the show.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music by APM. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sound design by Maya Cueva and Brendan Willard. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager and Ethan Toven-Lindsay is our Editor in Chief.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Support for this program comes from Birong Hu and supporters of the KQED Studios Fund. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. San Francisco Northern California Local.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keyboard sounds were recorded on my purple and pink Dustsilver K-84 wired mechanical keyboard with Gateron Red switches. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you have feedback, or a topic you think we should cover, hit us up at CloseAllTabs@kqed.org. Follow us on instagram at “close all tabs pod.” Or drop it on Discord — we’re in the Close All Tabs channel at discord.gg/KQED. And if you’re enjoying the show, give us a rating on Apple podcasts or whatever platform you use.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for listening! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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Maybe I do a little digging, and it turns out the lore behind it just isn’t compelling enough to justify a deep dive. Sometimes there’s no lore at all. Not everything online is a multi-tab journey. It can just be juicy gossip for the group chat. But that doesn’t mean that these topics aren’t worth yapping about. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So joining us today to do just that are some of my favorite group chat regulars, Daysia Tolentino and Moises Mendez II. Hey, guys. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hello. It’s good to see you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi, thank you so much for having us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for being here. Okay, so you’re both very accomplished internet culture journalists. Do you want to introduce yourselves? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi, my name is Moises Mendez, the second, as we are all aware now. I recently was a culture reporter at Time Magazine, and now I am a staff writer at Out Magazine, so I cover everything from movies, television, to the internet, and beyond. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yay, Daysia, what about you? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, so I’m currently working at Entertainment Weekly covering podcasts and celebrity stuff, but I historically cover internet culture and I cover the internet for my own newsletter, Yap Year. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We love Yap Year here. So we are here to play a game called Save or Scroll. Save as in, when you see a post on TikTok or Instagram or X and you bookmark it because you know you’re going to want to talk about it later. And scroll as in, you keep scrolling and it disappears into the digital ether. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, we’ve each brought a handful of posts that we cannot stop thinking about. And we’re going take turns to see if they’re just for the group chat. Or if they’re actually worth a deep dive on the show. If we decide to scroll, it means we’ve talked about it, we’re moving on. If we decided to save, it means that we may hold onto the idea for a future episode. All right, any questions? How are you feeling? Are you ready? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m so ready. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I love a game, so I’m ready. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right, let’s jump in. Daysia, what did you bring us? Tell us about the Love Island drama. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Lord, I don’t know if you guys watched this most recent season of Love Island, but it was basically a mess from the start.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Love Island: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Love Island! Warning, the following program contains love, lust, and the most attractive unemployed people you’ve ever seen. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Love Island is a reality TV show that puts a bunch of singles together into a Fiji villa. And basically, everybody couples up over the course of six weeks. And people are obsessed with it because last season was the first USA version of Love Island, which originally started in the UK, to really take off. And then the issues started arising with Yulyssa Escobar getting kicked off early on the second episode of the show, due to resurfaced posts in which she says the N-word. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Another contestant, Cierra Ortega, was also asked to exit the show because of an old Instagram story that she had posted in January 2024 saying the anti-Asian C-slur. And people were upset that action wasn’t taken sooner because apparently it had resurfaced earlier in the season. But essentially, Cierra came out of the villa. She made an apology. Sorry, not apology. She explicitly said it was not an apology video. It was an accountability video. And she agrees that she had to face the consequences and experience a punishment for her behavior. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She was getting death threats, rape threats, and ICE threats. Um, people have called ICE on her family. You know, Cierra is a Latina woman. And she was kind of talking about while showing these screenshots, “Is this still accountability? Is it accountability that you people are still looking for?” But my question is: what is enough? What is the line of punishment when somebody does something wrong? And obviously, there’s no excuse for using racial slurs, and people do need to be held accountable for the things that they say. But that doesn’t justify the messages that she got as a result of this controversy, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I mean, for me at least, you know, being an Asian woman who has been literally called the slur, I do have to wonder how many of the people unleashing this vitriol are actual like allies to Asians, or it’s just easy engagement, you know? I’m like, a lot of times I’m kind of skeptical. I’m like, do you actually care about, you know, the people who were hurt by the use of this slur? Or is it just an outlet? You know what I mean? Moises, what do you think? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I have only two brain cells left, so one of them is dedicated to internet, the other is dedicated to pop culture, but Love Island doesn’t fit in that. So I don’t watch Love Island. But I think that when it comes to this culture of like looking for accountability from public figures online, what is the line? Like where, like if the person is apologizing for the thing that they are being called out for. What more is next, but we’ve talked about how the accountability culture that exists online right now is more just harassment and bullying than it is people actually repenting for their sins or making any sort of tangible change. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think obviously with the calling of ICE on Cierra’s family, that to me is almost fighting racism with racism. And at that point, accountability is not the goal. And that’s how we get to a point where this idea of cancel culture or accountability has become so diluted because people would rather have blood than some sort of harm addressed and repaired. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Absolutely. So on this, do we save or do we scroll? Moises, what do you think? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I definitely think that we should save. There’s a lot to talk about, not with just this example, but there’s so many others that we can delve into. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about you, Daysia? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I definitely think that the bones of this conversation are worth saving, which is that ultimately, these internet dogpiles happen almost every week with a different person. And it’s one of those topics where we have to figure out a solution about accountability without basically telling people to die. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. Exactly. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sorry, God forbid that’s the solution. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">God forbid we have actual change and growth. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nuance, discussion maybe? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, nuance on the internet? Absolutely not. I’m going with save too on this. I think we should save it. I think this is a conversation that’s going to continue happening for as long as the internet exists because no one knows how to be normal online. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Unfortunately. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, let’s move on. Moises, tell us about Grindr and the current Grindr drama. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So Grindr is a queer social networking app, but it’s basically used as a queer hookup app or dating app. It’s a way for people to find the people closest to them, specifically queer people, but it is mainly for gay men, there are non-binary people and trans people that also exist on the app. The thing about Grindr, is that for as long as it’s been around since 2009, there has been some mess that’s going on in the background. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I wrote a story for the Atlantic about how minors are circumventing these age restrictions and finding their way onto these apps and having conversations with adults. It’s been a topic of conversation for child safety advocates about having age verification on these apps, and most recently Grinder announced that in the UK it would be implementing an age verification tool. There is a lot of conversations about whether this is actually to keep minors off the app, or another way to police queer bodies. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But there’s pros and cons to this issue. The pro is that maybe it’ll be a way for kids to have a roadblock to finding their way into having conversations with adults, because there has been so many reports about Grindr in the last couple of years of minors being sexually assaulted or killed through police reports that they found. But the con is, do we want Grindr to have our data? And do we these big tech companies handling our personal information? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Because in the past, Grindr has not had a really great history of handling our data. Back in 2018, they admitted to sharing users’ HIV status to third-party companies. In 2021, they were fined over $6 million in Norway due to data breaches and sharing data without users’ consents. And then 2024, a gay man who is HIV positive said that the app treated user data like a “piece of meat” after his medical data was misused by the app. There’s a lot of conversations about whether or not this is a good thing. I would like for there to not be such an easy route for children to find their way onto these apps, but then I don’t want Grindr to have my personal data and it just becomes this push and pull and we just don’t know exactly how this is gonna play out until it actually is implemented. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But in the US, they said that they don’t have plans right now to implement age verification in the United States. But they said, “We’re always evaluating the best ways to ensure our app is a safe space for adults to make meaningful connections.” So who’s to say? We just have to wait and see. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">My question is, how is Grindr going to conduct these age checks? Are they going to store that information? And then, great, they’re just going to have a registry of queer people? That seems safe and very normal in this current political environment. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, in the UK, Grindr said in their statement to me that, “Grindr will utilize age estimation and ID verification technology from FaceTech, while independently managing all data processing to ensure privacy is protected.” So it seems like there will be a third party involved, but who knows what that third party is gonna do with the personal data that’s being used. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So do we save or scroll on this story? What do you think Moises? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, I’m definitely gonna save. It’s something that I have saved in my back pocket because I’ve followed it for years now and there’s definitely more conversations to be had. I definitely plan to speak with data privacy experts about this issue and what’s the best route forward. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about you, Daysia? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I definitely think save. I think age verification is an ongoing issue among not just people in the UK, but in the US, especially with these anti-porn laws. I mean, data privacy is such a huge topic that we kind of fail to address time and time again, especially in America. And so I think this is definitely one of those examples of why we should be paying attention to these measures to protect kids that are also putting our data at risk. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m going with save too. I think this conversation is just going to repeat itself like over and over again until the US has any kind of comprehensive data privacy policy, which, you know, who knows if we’ll ever get that? What a pipe dream. We’ll get back to more saving and more scrolling after the break. Okay, we’re back. Daysia, will you tell us about Labubu, Matcha, Dubai chocolate? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Labubu matcha Dubai chocolate. I just want to say one thing really quickly, which is that I do not subscribe to the Labubu agenda. I have not fallen for the propaganda. And I say this as a Pop Mart girlie. And for those who are unfamiliar, Pop Mart is a Chinese toy company that creates these designer figurines and toys. And Labubu is just one of the characters that have really blown up from Pop Mart. But like any fad, we got to roll everything into one thing to get as much out of a trend as possible. And so we have seen Labubu matcha Dubai chocolate. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mm-hmm. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On the rise! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">For those who are uninitiated into the Labubu cult or into the Pop Mart cult, Labubus are these little plush keychains that you can clip onto your bag. It’s a cute little thing. It’s like a little plosh monster toy. I’ve seen people compare them to like beanie babies or Funko Pops or like Jelly Cats and Squishmallows. But it’s a blind box. You don’t know which one you’re going to get. You just keep buying Labubus until you get the one you want. And it like incentivizes you to buy more and more and more because you’re not trying to collect them all. You’re trying to get the one you want. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One hundred percent. So, Dubai chocolate is a trendy kind of candy right now. It is chocolate that is full of pistachios and I think phyllo dough and it has kind of taken over my For You pages and everything, but people have started to mold Dubai chocolate into the shape of a Labubu. Which, you know, Labubu is a fuzzy little monster with crazy pointy teeth. So they have created these chocolate molds in the shape of the monster and you know, added them onto like matcha shakes or matcha drinks, chocolate matcha drinks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I feel like we have these food trends and you know icon trends, if you will, every few years. Every generation has one and now we have this one. And it’s funny because I think this idea of under-consumption core really rose last year as a way to combat these really fast trends that are just clogging up the landfills. They’re taking money out of your wallets. Like it’s very easy to fall for, you know, the hot TikTok shop item of the moment that pops up on your For You page incessantly. And so I think this is a really interesting example of both the worst impulses and maybe… weirdly the best things about microtrends. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Moises, what do you think of the Labubus? Are you a Labubu hater? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">See, I don’t know if you could tell I was a little quiet because I really don’t like Labubus. I’m trying to just take away that demonic energy out of my space. How long do you have them? How long til you get annoyed of them? They take up space. Like they’re not like family heirlooms that you can pass down to like generations. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How dare you! Say that to the woman with the 24-karat Labubu. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guys, can I confess something?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s my queen I love her. Oh God, don’t tell me you have one.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I bought a Labubu. I was back home, I was in Queens, right? Like homeland of the Labubus. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so, for journalism, right, out of curiosity, I dragged my sister to Flushing to Tangram Mall. And I was like, “For this episode, I’m going to go Labubu hunting.” My sister and I went to five locations looking for a Labubu. We went to an anime store: sold out. We went to another store: sold out. We went to the Pop Mart vending machine: gone. I go to the last stop. I’m like, “I’m going to go home if this isn’t it.” So I pull up. My sister and I were like, “Okay, they have Labubus.” I bought one. I got the one I wanted. I was delirious. I was like, “Just give, hand it to me. I’m gonna pick out an outfit.” My sister, and I bought little outfits. They were also overpriced. And I took a picture, went home, it was so adorable. And then I flew back to LA yesterday, like last night. And as I was on the plane, my sister texted me, “You left your child at home,” and just sent me a picture of the Labubu left on my parents’ dining table. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, you know what? No \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">All that toiling, all that money wasted, and it’s just sitting in its little fake Dodger’s hat on my parents’ dining table. Anyway, that was my Labubu story. My sister and I got home and she was like, “I feel sick from consumerism.” She was like, “I need to like cleanse myself. I need touch grass.”. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s what consumerism will do to you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. That’s the moral of the story here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So do we save or scroll on Labubus? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We are scrolling, girl. In a year from now, when Labubus aren’t as crazy and hyped up, are you going to want those 50 Labubus? Scroll girl. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What are you gonna do with them? Yeah. Scroll. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m I’m scrolling. I already abandoned my my Labubu child.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">She can’t even take care of one Labubu, she can’t have more than one. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I can’t. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The courts will let her. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I have a story for you. Are you familiar with the video game, Relooted? It’s not out yet, but I don’t know if you’ve seen drama about this. Okay, so Relooted was one of the showcase games at Summer Game Fest last month. What stands out about it is what it’s about. Basically, it’s not repatriating artifacts that were stolen from African countries and are now being held in Western museums. So it’s a puzzle game, you know, and each level you have to go into these like fictional museums and steal back these real life artifacts. So the museums in the game are fictional, but the artifacts themselves are real. And they’re like symbols of a very violent colonial history. Yeah, I guess what do you guys think of it like so far? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it’s an interesting premise. I mean, the idea of returning artifacts back to the countries they’re from, I think, should be a no-brainer in real life, but is obviously more contentious than that in practice. I also think it could kind of raise awareness in a way about the issue if people started playing it a lot and thinking more about the actual real life situations in which, you know, artifacts are kept in colonial museums essentially. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What do you think Moises? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, I’m definitely a video game person. I talk about playing Fortnite with my friends and I love a story game. And I definitely would eat this game up just because like the premise is really fun and interesting. I think there’s a lot of games that don’t really have a larger societal issue to talk about. I think it’s definitely exciting to consider. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I saw the videos of the guy presenting it, right, at Summer Game Fest. And the guy who presented the game is the game’s creative director, Ben Myers. And he’s a white South African guy. Moises is shaking his head. And so I had the same response, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That felt like really important information. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I was like, okay, who is this guy to be the face of a game about repatriation? But it turns out he was the one to present the game because the dev team is from all over Africa, like Nigeria, Ghana, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe. The studio itself is based in South Africa. It turns out, he was someone to present a game because the developer who was supposed to be face of it and present, couldn’t get a visa into the United States. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so, Ben Myers, the creative director, thinks he got a visa because he has a South African passport, an Australian passport, and a British passport and he’s a white guy. And meanwhile, the developer who was denied, they said that the consulate in South Africa kind of like denied them instantly and that they approved a white visa applicant right after denying theirs. And so the game itself is an inherently like political statement, but the circumstances of the game’s debut have also been now the symbol of this cultural war. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This whole thing opens up a really interesting conversation about many things, right? Which is, first of all, South Africa is still contending with the aftermath of apartheid and to this day, right? And obviously seeing a white man from South Africa present this game, feelings toward that are obviously going to come up. And then you have this added context of, “No, actually, the person who was supposed to actually present the game was denied because of our racist visa system in America.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And the layers of ultimately oppression in this are just so complex. I mean, the ultimate message of this game is talking about ownership and returning artifacts to where they are rightfully from and the people who want to share this message can’t even go to, like, conferences in the US or, you know, events to continue to share this message. So it’s just a double, like slap in the face of oppression there. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. Yes. So on this, save or scroll, Moises, what do you think? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, I think that this is definitely a save because there definitely might be other instances like this and that are going underreported. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What about you, Daysia? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m saving. I’m gonna play that game when it comes out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m saving it, it’s called Relooted. Who knows when it’s coming out? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One day. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One day. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ll order it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yay! Okay, I’m saving. Last story for today, Moises, tell us about what’s happening with Reddit snark pages. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So right now, a Reddit snark page is at the center of a very interesting controversy. These snark pages are dedicated to specific influencers, to gossip about them, make comments about things that they’re doing, and you know, basically just there’s a community of people who like to talk about someone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So there’s this influencer named Adam McIntyre, he’s a drama influencer. So he basically recaps pop culture moments, he talks about other influencers and the dramas that they have going on. So Adam is an Irish influencer who came to the US to do a couple shows. He got an O1 visa, but some of the members on his Reddit snark page circulated the photo that he posted of his visa and said that he was issued an R1 visa, which is for people entering the United States to perform religious work, which is not exactly what he did. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Some members of the r/AdamMcIntyre snark page reported him to ICE. So he announced that he was gonna take legal action against the Reddit snark page. And two days later, the snark page was taken down. So it is this really interesting conversation about the way that, not only snark pages, but people who are not fans of certain influencers are trying to deplatform the people that they don’t like, but they’re also trying to put them in harm’s way. Because a lot of what’s going on right now with ICE, especially in Los Angeles and across the country, is a really dangerous moment for immigrants or just people who are visiting here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I mean, this just this whole story is like horrific because I mean we’ve heard about the ways people react to people that they don’t like or disagree with — harassing people, never okay. But sending someone hate mail is one thing and then to call ICE on them as an of violence is just on another level. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It just reminds me again of the Love Island situation. We’ve gotten to a point in internet culture where being a fan of someone or being an anti of someone rather is not enough. Hating on them and talking about them negatively is not enough. I think a lot of people think this is a freaking game and it’s not because people are already being brutalized in ICE detention centers, being held in the most inhumane conditions. And then you wanna subject people to that just because you don’t like them when they’re here legally on a work visa? And whether people understand it or not, what they’re signing up for is enacting harm on these people like Adam. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So for me, this is a save. Moises, what about you? Save or scroll? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Definitely a save, for sure.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Daysia? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">100% a save. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And do we have any closing thoughts on the state of the internet after this wonderful Save or Scroll session? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ve been so tired by the internet lately because I don’t understand how people can care this much about that many people who are honestly just random people. Especially with these Love Island people. It’s like, I dunno. That pool boy is a pool boy from Florida. Yeah, I didn’t expect him to have the perfect Instagram history. Like… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, yeah. I mean, my closing thought would be that people just need to be a little bit more normal online. But given that all of these tech billionaires that own these platforms, that allow for there to be some of the worst, most vile humans to share their opinions online, uh, it’s only gonna get worse from here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Will you be going offline, will you be logging off, given everything you said? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s hard when you’re an internet culture reporter to log off. It’s almost like throwing your job away. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is. It’s physically impossible. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Everybody needs a break, even if it’s a few days. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks so much for joining us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Moises Mendez II:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you so much, Morgan! This was so much fun! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daysia Tolentino:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you for having us. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that’s it for Save or Scroll. We’re keeping tabs on everything we saved, so don’t be surprised if one of these stories shows up as a deep dive on your feed. We’ll be back next week with more Close All tabs. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios, and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. Our producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts and helps edit the show.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Original music, including our theme song, by Chris Egusa. Additional music by APM. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sound design by Maya Cueva and Brendan Willard. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager and Ethan Toven-Lindsay is our Editor in Chief.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Support for this program comes from Birong Hu and supporters of the KQED Studios Fund. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. San Francisco Northern California Local.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keyboard sounds were recorded on my purple and pink Dustsilver K-84 wired mechanical keyboard with Gateron Red switches. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you have feedback, or a topic you think we should cover, hit us up at CloseAllTabs@kqed.org. Follow us on instagram at “close all tabs pod.” Or drop it on Discord — we’re in the Close All Tabs channel at discord.gg/KQED. 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