The largest-ever attempt to reform California’s Employment Development Department, an effort dubbed “EDDNext,” officially started late last year. (Illustration by Adriana Heldiz, CalMatters; iStock)
Five years, $1.2 billion. And a new model for government contracting.
That is what California officials say it will take to overhaul an employment safety net pushed to the brink by record pandemic job losses, widespread fraud and the political panic that followed.
The most sweeping attempt to date to reform California’s Employment Development Department, an effort dubbed “EDDNext,” officially started late last year. A roughly 100-person team is leading the rebuild, and is already signing multimillion-dollar contracts for Salesforce and Amazon technology, according to interviews and records requested by CalMatters.
At the same time, the EDD is quietly making plans to move on from its turbulent relationship with longtime unemployment payment contractor Bank of America. Between now and 2025, it will begin rolling out new benefit debit cards and, eventually, a direct-deposit payment option from a different, yet-to-be-named contractor, the agency said in a statement.
Ron Hughes, a former state technology official and consultant who came out of retirement to run EDDNext said his team is prioritizing “the biggest pain points for the public” — online accounts, call centers, identity verification, benefit applications — as the agency tries to turn the page on an era of mass payment delays and widespread fraud.
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“EDD did over 200 technology projects during the pandemic. They were basically putting out fires,” Hughes told CalMatters. “EDDNext is really a way of being proactive about it. We want to solve some of these problems instead of just putting Band-Aids on.”
But many workers still experiencing payment delays, fraud confusion and jammed phone lines are skeptical — especially since the EDD promised many similar changes after the Great Recession around 2009.
“There’s a longstanding narrative … like, ‘Look, see, this is a program that people just abuse,’” said Jenna Gerry, a senior staff attorney with the National Employment Law Project. “If people are concerned with actual fraud, then I want to look at what solves it: fundamental reform of the system.”
For Jennifer Pahlka, who co-led Gov. Gavin Newsom’s task force to triage COVID-era problems at the EDD, the challenge ahead is emblematic of difficulties that many government agencies face in adapting to the digital age. In her book “Recoding America,” Pahlka wrote that the EDD, with its patchwork computer systems and 800-page staff training manual, is failing to keep pace, as inequality widens and risks like fraud evolve.
“Do I know how to wave a magic wand and fix California’s unemployment insurance system? No, I don’t,” Pahlka said in an interview. “But I do know that what we’re currently doing doesn’t work and that other states have some approaches that we should be trying out.”
EDD Director Nancy Farias has read Pahlka’s book and the many state audits that have dissected the agency’s recurring failures. She’s well aware of the “light switch” trap, where a government agency bets everything on one, years-long tech project, then prays it all works when a switch is flipped. To try to avoid that, she and Hughes decided to break EDDNext into dozens of smaller projects through 2028.
“It leaves less room for a big failure,” said Farias, a former labor union executive. “You can have the best IT in the world, but if you don’t change your policies and procedures, it does not matter.”
The COVID hangover
This past summer, San Diego jewelry maker Phaedra Huebner found herself stuck in a loop that might sound familiar to people who filed for unemployment early in the pandemic.
Huebner, 52, recalls how at 8 a.m. every day, she dialed the EDD right as its call centers opened to ask where her benefits were. She would use a trick she learned on YouTube to bypass pre-recorded messages, punch in her Social Security Number and hope to get in the queue to talk with a real person. She would then redial, up to 67 times a day, bouncing between departments and, more often than not, hanging up without any answers about when she might see the money she needed to make rent.
The twist: Huebner wasn’t actually filing for unemployment but rather for disability. After each day on the phone, she would wrap ice packs around her hands and arms to ease the shooting pain that put her out of work in the first place.
“For six weeks, I should have been resting,” Huebner said in early September. “Instead, I’m in pain with no disability income doing all of my own administrative work.”
The EDD’s benefit programs have always been complex and highly individualized. In most cases, people applying for benefits do not encounter significant delays, the agency told CalMatters in a statement. It cited its 2022 survey of several thousand people using its benefit systems, where 69% reported they were “completely or mostly satisfied” with the unemployment application process, and 63% said they were satisfied with the disability process.
The California Employment Development Department offices in Sacramento on Jan. 10, 2022. (Miguel Gutierrez Jr./CalMatters)
The problem, workers and attorneys say, is that even a portion of the EDD’s customer base amounts to tens of thousands of people, so when things go wrong, the impacts can be huge.
In January 2022, for instance, the EDD froze 345,000 disability accounts, including an unknown number of legitimate ones, amid a wave of suspected fraud involving claims tied to fake doctors. Putting stronger safeguards in place is one of the “lessons learned from the pandemic that we should be applying to every program,” former California State Auditor Elaine Howle said.
“People saw the [unemployment] program was being defrauded left and right,” Howle said, “and it was like, ‘Shoot, if I can do that, what other programs are out there that I can defraud?’”
Mason Wilder, research manager of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, said unemployment and disability programs are just two examples of many public and private sector systems being targeted as online fraud gets easier. It now costs as little as 25 cents to buy a bunk Social Security number online, leading to a cycle of large-scale attacks followed by broad fraud crackdowns.
The risk of unsuspecting people getting caught in dragnets is only anticipated to grow, Wilder and other analysts say, as technologies such as artificial intelligence allow scammers to work faster and more easily forge documents. Benefit debit cards used by California’s CalFresh food assistance and CalWorks cash aid programs have also been targeted in recent fraud schemes.
“It becomes kind of whack-a-mole,” Wilder said.
And EDD’s pandemic unemployment problems have certainly not been neatly resolved. As of September, more than 130,000 California workers were still fighting long unemployment appeals cases, waiting an average of 137 days for a hearing with a state administrative judge, according to U.S. Labor Department data analyzed by CalMatters.
The EDD’s data shows that the number of rejected unemployment claims has climbed steadily since the start of the pandemic, to more than 1.9 million claims rejected from March 2020 through October 2023. The agency said that reflects the success of anti-fraud measures, but advocates see it as evidence that the state also continues to trap legitimate workers. They point to federal data showing that EDD decisions are overturned almost half the time on appeal.
“I definitely don’t think anything’s been resolved,” said George Warner, director of the Wage Protection Program at Legal Aid at Work. “A lot of the issues remain the same.”
Nancy Farias, director of the California Employment Development Department, in front of the agency’s offices in Sacramento on Oct. 26, 2023. (Miguel Gutierrez Jr./CalMatters)
The EDD stresses that it has implemented changes recommended by the California state auditor, including providing more public data and creating a new plan for future recessions. However, the auditor remains unconvinced that several major issues have been remedied. This past summer, the auditor added the EDD to its list of “high-risk” state agencies, unlocking additional resources for potential future audits. Top concerns were poor customer service, high rates of benefit denials overturned on appeal, and the agency’s inability to tally pandemic fraud, delaying the state’s two most recent annual financial reports.
“EDD’s mismanagement of the [unemployment] program has resulted in a substantial risk of serious detriment to the state and its residents,” the auditor’s latest report concluded.
Farias said that all states face similar challenges, especially when quantifying fraud that is widely varied and, for obvious reasons, difficult to trace.
“There is no definition of what is fraud … and that’s really the biggest problem,” said Farias, who also sits on the board of the National Association of State Workforce Agencies. “There is Nigerian fraud ring fraud — Fraud with a capital ‘F’ — and then there is, you know, Mary Jo Smith down the street that really didn’t understand what the program was.”
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In San Diego, Huebner unexpectedly got an up-close look at how identity verification issues continue to plague the EDD. After she filed for disability, it took six weeks to get her first check. But then she received a letter in the mail addressed to a woman with a different name and employer in Northern California that said her benefits had been discontinued.
When Huebner tried to call to figure out what was going on, she realized that her YouTube trick to get through on the phone no longer worked, throwing her back into benefit limbo while she recovered from a spinal procedure and waited to see if a new EDD debit card showed up.
“They won’t tell you anything,” Huebner said in late October. “Pain is one thing, but helplessness is totally different.”
What’s next for California unemployment reform?
Before he was hired to fix the state’s pandemic problem child, EDDNext director Hughes was enjoying retirement on his Sierra foothills ranch dotted with cattle, horses and sheep. He put that on hold and went back to work at the EDD at the request of Farias, his former colleague.
Hughes is quick to note that he wasn’t there for the worst of the pandemic issues. He spends a lot of time talking with other state tech executives who can empathize, such as peers at the DMV.
Even from the outside, it wasn’t hard to see what went wrong at the EDD during the pandemic.
“When you roll out a solution, it needs to work. If it doesn’t work and they call the help desk, you need to answer the phone,” Hughes said. “We didn’t do either of those things very well.”
In June, his team launched a new online portal called “MyEDD,” which uses Salesforce technology for workers to file and track the status of their benefits. Some users reported crashes during the first days of the rollout, but the system eventually stabilized. It will be built out over time, Hughes said, as the agency works through contracts for identity verification and a “claims navigator” to show workers all benefits they are eligible for.
A new call center system using Amazon technology is slated to debut within the year. First for the state’s older disability system at the end of 2023, Hughes said, then for unemployment next summer. The idea is to ultimately go from the five or six systems that EDD agents currently juggle to one system for processing claims.
“Under the new system, there is a single pane of glass,” Hughes said. “As soon as they call in, all the information on their claim will come up.”
It’s not the first time the EDD has tried to streamline its claims system, parts of which date back to the 1980s. Pahlka, in her book, compares making sense of the patchwork programs to going on an archaeological dig.
After the Great Recession, the state paid Deloitte to upgrade several facets of its operation, including part of its claim management systems, in a series of contracts that ballooned to more than $152 million from 2010 to 2018, copies provided to CalMatters show. That system was one of several that state reports later found buckled during COVID, but Deloitte was then awarded another $118 million as the state doled out emergency pandemic funds, according to the contracts.
The irony, as Pahlka observed in her book, is that the money went to the very vendor “which built the ineffectual systems in the first place.”
U.S. Rep. Katie Porter, a Democrat from Orange County who sits on a U.S. House Oversight Committee that has investigated pandemic unemployment fraud, sighed heavily when asked about the past Deloitte “unemployment modernization” project — her response, she said, to both the contractor in question and the broader lack of oversight on big-budget projects.
“Deloitte has an unfortunate track record of not getting it done here,” Porter said. “If we’re going to contract this and spend our dollars with a private company to do this, we have to hold them accountable for delivering.”
Deloitte defended its work for the EDD, noting in a statement that “many technology constraints highlighted by California elected officials during the pandemic related to functions in EDD systems that Deloitte was not contracted to maintain.”
The company declined to comment on whether it intends to bid on the new EDDNext project.
Hughes said that no vendor is off the table for EDDNext but that past contract performance will be considered for all bidders. This time around, Hughes said, the plan is structured to include more oversight.
“It’s just way too much work for one vendor to do, and so we’ve split that up,” he said. “We’ve got different vendors doing different solutions. We can manage them much more effectively that way.”
Familiar fights
Another promise of EDDNext, Farias said, is that workers, advocates, and frontline staff will have more of a say in how the project is built. The agency has also created a new customer experience arm, which outside observers like Pahlka see as a promising development.
Gerry of the National Employment Law Project was among the worker advocates briefly shown a version of the new EDD online portal before it launched. It will require more sustained effort, she said, to ensure that people relying on the system end up with something easier to use.
“It’s hard because, yes, we see certain incremental changes, but these systemic issues are still there,” Gerry said. “Unless there really is a big overhaul within the agency culture and the way they’re approaching this EDDNext project, we’re going to see these problems continue.”
The EDD maintains that more visible changes are coming, including a planned redesign of the agency’s 10 most-used forms to cut unnecessary questions, translate them into more languages, and make them easier to understand and access online.
Similar efforts are also underway in many other states, where officials have raised questions about whether the federal government should do more to standardize applications, anti-fraud measures or other elements of the system. Robert Asaro-Angelo, commissioner of the New Jersey Department of Labor and Workforce Development, recently told a U.S. House committee that states and territories that all currently have their own processes could use more guidance to bolster security while ensuring rightful benefits are paid.
“We keep talking as if there’s one unemployment system. There’s 53 different systems,” Asaro-Angelo said. “These fraudsters being able to pick and choose — they couldn’t be happier.”
In California, concerns about the nuts and bolts of the state’s unemployment program are magnified by a more fundamental concern: the financial quicksand beneath the entire system.
The state unemployment fund that pays for benefits is operating in the red, or “structurally insolvent,” as the California Legislative Analyst’s Office put it in a July 2023 report.
Though the state was making progress on paying down its $20 billion-plus pandemic unemployment loan from the federal government, state forecasts now show the debt creeping back up, adding urgency to a fight over whether to change California’s 1980s-era tax system.
Business groups are already pushing Newsom to use other state money to pay down the debt despite California’s current budget deficit. The state has spent more than $680 million in recent years to pay interest on the federal loan.
“California’s vast unemployment insurance system has been under enormous strain since 2020, and employers are paying the price,” the California Chamber of Commerce argued in an August report.
From her vantage point at Sacramento’s Center for Workers’ Rights, labor lawyer Daniela Urban has watched cycles like this play out before. When the economy tanks, everyone — stressed-out workers, angry lawmakers, state watchdogs, the governor — wants to know what’s happening at the EDD.
But as people go back to work, the outside interest and funding wane: a collective failure to fix the system before the next time things go south.
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“Once the watchful eye is gone, I worry that it will be neglected,” Urban said.
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"content": "\u003cp>Five years, $1.2 billion. And a new model for government contracting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That is what California officials say it will take to overhaul an employment safety net pushed to the brink by record pandemic job losses, widespread fraud and the political panic that followed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most sweeping attempt to date to reform California’s Employment Development Department, an effort dubbed “\u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/about_edd/eddnext/\">EDDNext\u003c/a>,” officially started late last year. A roughly 100-person team is leading the rebuild, and is already signing multimillion-dollar contracts for Salesforce and Amazon technology, according to interviews and records requested by CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, the EDD is quietly making plans to move on from its \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/economy/2020/11/how-bank-of-america-helped-fuel-californias-unemployment-meltdown/?\">turbulent relationship\u003c/a> with longtime unemployment payment contractor Bank of America. Between now and 2025, it will begin rolling out new benefit debit cards and, eventually, a direct-deposit payment option from a different, yet-to-be-named contractor, the agency said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ron Hughes, a former state technology official and consultant who came out of retirement to run EDDNext said his team is prioritizing “the biggest pain points for the public” — online accounts, call centers, identity verification, benefit applications — as the agency tries to turn the page on an era of mass payment delays and widespread fraud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“EDD did over 200 technology projects during the pandemic. They were basically putting out fires,” Hughes told CalMatters. “EDDNext is really a way of being proactive about it. We want to solve some of these problems instead of just putting Band-Aids on.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But many workers still experiencing payment delays, fraud confusion and jammed phone lines are skeptical — especially since the EDD promised many similar changes after the Great Recession around 2009.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a longstanding narrative … like, ‘Look, see, this is a program that people just abuse,’” said Jenna Gerry, a senior staff attorney with the National Employment Law Project. “If people are concerned with actual fraud, then I want to look at what solves it: fundamental reform of the system.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Jennifer Pahlka, political adviser\"]‘Do I know how to wave a magic wand and fix California’s unemployment insurance system? No, I don’t. But I do know that what we’re currently doing doesn’t work and that other states have some approaches that we should be trying out.’[/pullquote]For Jennifer Pahlka, who co-led Gov. Gavin Newsom’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.govops.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/09/Assessment.pdf\">task force\u003c/a> to triage COVID-era problems at the EDD, the challenge ahead is emblematic of difficulties that many government agencies face in adapting to the digital age. In her book “Recoding America,” Pahlka wrote that the EDD, with its patchwork computer systems and 800-page staff training manual, is failing to keep pace, as inequality widens and risks like fraud evolve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Do I know how to wave a magic wand and fix California’s unemployment insurance system? No, I don’t,” Pahlka said in an interview. “But I do know that what we’re currently doing doesn’t work and that other states have some approaches that we should be trying out.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>EDD Director Nancy Farias has read Pahlka’s book and the many state audits that have dissected the agency’s recurring failures. She’s well aware of the “light switch” trap, where a government agency bets everything on one, years-long tech project, then prays it all works when a switch is flipped. To try to avoid that, she and Hughes decided to break EDDNext into dozens of smaller projects through 2028.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It leaves less room for a big failure,” said Farias, a former labor union executive. “You can have the best IT in the world, but if you don’t change your policies and procedures, it does not matter.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The COVID hangover\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>This past summer, San Diego jewelry maker Phaedra Huebner found herself stuck in a loop that might sound familiar to people who filed for unemployment early in the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Huebner, 52, recalls how at 8 a.m. every day, she dialed the EDD right as its call centers opened to ask where her benefits were. She would use a trick she learned on YouTube to bypass pre-recorded messages, punch in her Social Security Number and hope to get in the queue to talk with a real person. She would then redial, up to 67 times a day, bouncing between departments and, more often than not, hanging up without any answers about when she might see the money she needed to make rent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The twist: Huebner wasn’t actually filing for unemployment but rather for disability. After each day on the phone, she would wrap ice packs around her hands and arms to ease the shooting pain that put her out of work in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For six weeks, I should have been resting,” Huebner said in early September. “Instead, I’m in pain with no disability income doing all of my own administrative work.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The EDD’s benefit programs have always been complex and highly individualized. In most cases, people applying for benefits do not encounter significant delays, the agency told CalMatters in a statement. It cited its \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/about_edd/eddnext/Benefiting-Californians-May-2023/#CustomerSatisfaction\">2022 survey\u003c/a> of several thousand people using its benefit systems, where 69% reported they were “completely or mostly satisfied” with the unemployment application process, and 63% said they were satisfied with the disability process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966715\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1536px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966715\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1.jpeg\" alt=\"A woman walks past the Employment Development Department building.\" width=\"1536\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1-160x107.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1536px) 100vw, 1536px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The California Employment Development Department offices in Sacramento on Jan. 10, 2022. \u003ccite>(Miguel Gutierrez Jr./CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The problem, workers and attorneys say, is that even a portion of the EDD’s customer base amounts to tens of thousands of people, so when things go wrong, the impacts can be huge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In January 2022, for instance, the \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2022/01/california-edd-fraud/\">EDD froze\u003c/a> 345,000 disability accounts, including an unknown number of legitimate ones, amid a wave of suspected fraud involving claims tied to fake doctors. Putting stronger safeguards in place is one of the “lessons learned from the pandemic that we should be applying to every program,” former California State Auditor Elaine Howle said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People saw the [unemployment] program was being defrauded left and right,” Howle said, “and it was like, ‘Shoot, if I can do that, what other programs are out there that I can defraud?’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mason Wilder, research manager of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, said unemployment and disability programs are just two examples of many public and private sector systems being targeted as online fraud gets easier. It now costs as little as \u003ca href=\"https://gop-waysandmeans.house.gov/five-key-moments-from-oversight-subcommittee-hearing-on-pandemic-fraud/\">25 cents\u003c/a> to buy a bunk Social Security number online, leading to a cycle of large-scale attacks followed by broad fraud crackdowns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The risk of unsuspecting people getting caught in dragnets is only anticipated to grow, Wilder and other analysts say, as technologies such as artificial intelligence allow scammers to work faster and more easily forge documents. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2023/01/calfresh-calworks-thefts/\">Benefit debit cards\u003c/a> used by California’s CalFresh food assistance and CalWorks cash aid programs have also been targeted in recent fraud schemes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It becomes kind of whack-a-mole,” Wilder said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And EDD’s pandemic unemployment problems have certainly not been neatly resolved. As of September, more than \u003ca href=\"https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/ui_insurance_appeal.asp\">130,000 California workers\u003c/a> were still fighting long \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/05/california-edd-unemployment-appeals/\">unemployment appeals\u003c/a> cases, waiting an average of 137 days for a hearing with a state administrative judge, according to U.S. Labor Department data analyzed by CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The EDD’s data shows that the number of rejected unemployment claims has climbed steadily since the start of the pandemic, to more than \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/newsroom/facts-and-stats/dashboard/#TotalUnemploymentClaims\">1.9 million claims\u003c/a> rejected from March 2020 through October 2023. The agency said that reflects the success of anti-fraud measures, but advocates see it as evidence that the state also continues to trap legitimate workers. They point to federal data showing that EDD decisions \u003ca href=\"https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/ui_appeal_reversal.asp\">are overturned\u003c/a> almost half the time on appeal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I definitely don’t think anything’s been resolved,” said George Warner, director of the Wage Protection Program at Legal Aid at Work. “A lot of the issues remain the same.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966710\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1536px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966710\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05.jpeg\" alt=\"A woman in a magenta pantsuit sits under a tree outside an office building.\" width=\"1536\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05-160x107.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1536px) 100vw, 1536px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nancy Farias, director of the California Employment Development Department, in front of the agency’s offices in Sacramento on Oct. 26, 2023. \u003ccite>(Miguel Gutierrez Jr./CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The EDD stresses that \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/newsroom/facts-and-stats/audit-progress/\">it has implemented\u003c/a> changes recommended by the California state auditor, including providing more public data and creating a new plan for future recessions. However, the auditor remains unconvinced that several major issues have been remedied. This past summer, the auditor added the EDD to its list of \u003ca href=\"https://www.bsa.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2023-601.pdf\">“high-risk” state agencies\u003c/a>, unlocking additional resources for potential future audits. Top concerns were poor customer service, high rates of benefit denials overturned on appeal, and the agency’s inability to tally pandemic fraud, delaying the state’s two most recent annual financial reports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“EDD’s mismanagement of the [unemployment] program has resulted in a substantial risk of serious detriment to the state and its residents,” the auditor’s latest report concluded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Farias said that all states face similar challenges, especially when quantifying fraud that is widely varied and, for obvious reasons, difficult to trace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is no definition of what is fraud … and that’s really the biggest problem,” said Farias, who also sits on the board of the National Association of State Workforce Agencies. “There is Nigerian fraud ring fraud — Fraud with a capital ‘F’ — and then there is, you know, Mary Jo Smith down the street that really didn’t understand what the program was.”[aside label=\"related coverage\" tag=\"edd\"]In San Diego, Huebner unexpectedly got an up-close look at how identity verification issues continue to plague the EDD. After she filed for disability, it took six weeks to get her first check. But then she received a letter in the mail addressed to a woman with a different name and employer in Northern California that said her benefits had been discontinued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Huebner tried to call to figure out what was going on, she realized that her YouTube trick to get through on the phone no longer worked, throwing her back into benefit limbo while she recovered from a spinal procedure and waited to see if a new EDD debit card showed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They won’t tell you anything,” Huebner said in late October. “Pain is one thing, but helplessness is totally different.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What’s next for California unemployment reform?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Before he was hired to fix the state’s pandemic problem child, EDDNext director Hughes was enjoying retirement on his Sierra foothills ranch dotted with cattle, horses and sheep. He put that on hold and went back to work at the EDD at the request of Farias, his former colleague.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hughes is quick to note that he wasn’t there for the worst of the pandemic issues. He spends a lot of time talking with other state tech executives who can empathize, such as peers at the DMV.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even from the outside, it wasn’t hard to see what went wrong at the EDD during the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you roll out a solution, it needs to work. If it doesn’t work and they call the help desk, you need to answer the phone,” Hughes said. “We didn’t do either of those things very well.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In June, his team launched a new online portal called “MyEDD,” which uses Salesforce technology for workers to file and track the status of their benefits. Some users \u003ca href=\"https://kmph.com/news/local/californias-edd-faces-backlash-over-problematic-new-website-users-unable-to-access-benefits\">reported crashes\u003c/a> during the first days of the rollout, but the system eventually stabilized. It will be built out over time, Hughes said, as the agency works through contracts for identity verification and a “claims navigator” to show workers all benefits they are eligible for.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A new call center system using Amazon technology is slated to debut within the year. First for the state’s older disability system at the end of 2023, Hughes said, then for unemployment next summer. The idea is to ultimately go from the five or six systems that EDD agents currently juggle to one system for processing claims.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Under the new system, there is a single pane of glass,” Hughes said. “As soon as they call in, all the information on their claim will come up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not the first time the EDD has tried to streamline its claims system, parts of which date back to the 1980s. Pahlka, in her book, compares making sense of the patchwork programs to going on an archaeological dig.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966711\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1764px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-07-at-3.43.47-PM.png\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966711\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-07-at-3.43.47-PM.png\" alt=\"A line chart showing Deloite's contracts with EDD.\" width=\"1764\" height=\"868\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-07-at-3.43.47-PM.png 1764w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-07-at-3.43.47-PM-800x394.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-07-at-3.43.47-PM-1020x502.png 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-07-at-3.43.47-PM-160x79.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-07-at-3.43.47-PM-1536x756.png 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1764px) 100vw, 1764px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Source: \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/newsroom/facts-and-stats/dashboard/\">EDD\u003c/a> \u003ccite>(Calmatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After the Great Recession, the state \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/economy/2021/04/california-unemployment-crisis-contracts/\">paid Deloitte\u003c/a> to upgrade several facets of its operation, including part of its claim management systems, in a series of contracts that ballooned to more than $152 million from 2010 to 2018, copies provided to CalMatters show. That system was one of several that \u003ca href=\"https://www.govops.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/09/Assessment.pdf\">state reports\u003c/a> later found buckled during COVID, but Deloitte was then awarded another $118 million as the state doled out emergency pandemic funds, according to the contracts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The irony, as Pahlka observed in her book, is that the money went to the very vendor “which built the ineffectual systems in the first place.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. Rep. Katie Porter, a Democrat from Orange County who sits on a U.S. House Oversight Committee that has investigated pandemic unemployment fraud, sighed heavily when asked about the past Deloitte “unemployment modernization” project — her response, she said, to both the contractor in question and the broader lack of oversight on big-budget projects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Deloitte has an unfortunate track record of not getting it done here,” Porter said. “If we’re going to contract this and spend our dollars with a private company to do this, we have to hold them accountable for delivering.”[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Ron Hughes, EDDNext director\"]‘When you roll out a solution, it needs to work. If it doesn’t work and they call the help desk, you need to answer the phone. We didn’t do either of those things very well.’[/pullquote]Deloitte defended its work for the EDD, noting in a statement that “many technology constraints highlighted by California elected officials during the pandemic related to functions in EDD systems that Deloitte was not contracted to maintain.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The company declined to comment on whether it intends to bid on the new EDDNext project.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hughes said that no vendor is off the table for EDDNext but that past contract performance will be considered for all bidders. This time around, Hughes said, the plan is structured to include more oversight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s just way too much work for one vendor to do, and so we’ve split that up,” he said. “We’ve got different vendors doing different solutions. We can manage them much more effectively that way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Familiar fights\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Another promise of EDDNext, Farias said, is that workers, advocates, and frontline staff will have more of a say in how the project is built. The agency has also created a new customer experience arm, which outside observers like Pahlka see as a promising development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gerry of the National Employment Law Project was among the worker advocates briefly shown a version of the new EDD online portal before it launched. It will require more sustained effort, she said, to ensure that people relying on the system end up with something easier to use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s hard because, yes, we see certain incremental changes, but these systemic issues are still there,” Gerry said. “Unless there really is a big overhaul within the agency culture and the way they’re approaching this EDDNext project, we’re going to see these problems continue.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The EDD maintains that more visible changes are coming, including a planned redesign of the agency’s 10 most-used forms to cut unnecessary questions, translate them into more languages, and make them easier to understand and access online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Similar efforts are also underway in many other states, where officials have raised questions about whether the federal government should do more to standardize applications, anti-fraud measures or other elements of the system. Robert Asaro-Angelo, commissioner of the New Jersey Department of Labor and Workforce Development, recently told a U.S. House committee that states and territories that all currently have their own processes could use more guidance to bolster security while ensuring rightful benefits are paid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We keep talking as if there’s one unemployment system. There’s 53 different systems,” Asaro-Angelo said. “These fraudsters being able to pick and choose — they couldn’t be happier.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In California, concerns about the nuts and bolts of the state’s unemployment program are magnified by a more fundamental concern: the financial quicksand beneath the entire system.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state \u003ca href=\"https://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/article/Detail/779\">unemployment fund\u003c/a> that pays for benefits is operating in the red, or “structurally insolvent,” as the California Legislative Analyst’s Office put it in a July 2023 report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though the state was making progress on paying down its $20 billion-plus pandemic unemployment loan from the federal government, \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/pdf/edduiforecastmay23.pdf\">state forecasts\u003c/a> now show the debt creeping back up, adding urgency to a fight over \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/10/unemployment-insurance-debt/\">whether to change California’s 1980s-era tax system\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Business groups are already pushing Newsom to use other state money to pay down the debt despite California’s current budget deficit. The state has spent more than $680 million in recent years to pay interest on the federal loan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“California’s vast unemployment insurance system has been under enormous strain since 2020, and employers are paying the price,” the \u003ca href=\"https://advocacy.calchamber.com/2023/08/28/study-shows-employers-paying-price-for-strain-on-unemployment-insurance-system/\">California Chamber of Commerce\u003c/a> argued in an August report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From her vantage point at Sacramento’s Center for Workers’ Rights, labor lawyer Daniela Urban has watched cycles like this play out before. When the economy tanks, everyone — stressed-out workers, angry lawmakers, state watchdogs, the governor — wants to know what’s happening at the EDD.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But as people go back to work, the outside interest and funding wane: a collective failure to fix the system before the next time things go south.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Once the watchful eye is gone, I worry that it will be neglected,” Urban said.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Five years, $1.2 billion. And a new model for government contracting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That is what California officials say it will take to overhaul an employment safety net pushed to the brink by record pandemic job losses, widespread fraud and the political panic that followed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The most sweeping attempt to date to reform California’s Employment Development Department, an effort dubbed “\u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/about_edd/eddnext/\">EDDNext\u003c/a>,” officially started late last year. A roughly 100-person team is leading the rebuild, and is already signing multimillion-dollar contracts for Salesforce and Amazon technology, according to interviews and records requested by CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, the EDD is quietly making plans to move on from its \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/economy/2020/11/how-bank-of-america-helped-fuel-californias-unemployment-meltdown/?\">turbulent relationship\u003c/a> with longtime unemployment payment contractor Bank of America. Between now and 2025, it will begin rolling out new benefit debit cards and, eventually, a direct-deposit payment option from a different, yet-to-be-named contractor, the agency said in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ron Hughes, a former state technology official and consultant who came out of retirement to run EDDNext said his team is prioritizing “the biggest pain points for the public” — online accounts, call centers, identity verification, benefit applications — as the agency tries to turn the page on an era of mass payment delays and widespread fraud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>For Jennifer Pahlka, who co-led Gov. Gavin Newsom’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.govops.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/09/Assessment.pdf\">task force\u003c/a> to triage COVID-era problems at the EDD, the challenge ahead is emblematic of difficulties that many government agencies face in adapting to the digital age. In her book “Recoding America,” Pahlka wrote that the EDD, with its patchwork computer systems and 800-page staff training manual, is failing to keep pace, as inequality widens and risks like fraud evolve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Do I know how to wave a magic wand and fix California’s unemployment insurance system? No, I don’t,” Pahlka said in an interview. “But I do know that what we’re currently doing doesn’t work and that other states have some approaches that we should be trying out.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>EDD Director Nancy Farias has read Pahlka’s book and the many state audits that have dissected the agency’s recurring failures. She’s well aware of the “light switch” trap, where a government agency bets everything on one, years-long tech project, then prays it all works when a switch is flipped. To try to avoid that, she and Hughes decided to break EDDNext into dozens of smaller projects through 2028.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It leaves less room for a big failure,” said Farias, a former labor union executive. “You can have the best IT in the world, but if you don’t change your policies and procedures, it does not matter.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The COVID hangover\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>This past summer, San Diego jewelry maker Phaedra Huebner found herself stuck in a loop that might sound familiar to people who filed for unemployment early in the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Huebner, 52, recalls how at 8 a.m. every day, she dialed the EDD right as its call centers opened to ask where her benefits were. She would use a trick she learned on YouTube to bypass pre-recorded messages, punch in her Social Security Number and hope to get in the queue to talk with a real person. She would then redial, up to 67 times a day, bouncing between departments and, more often than not, hanging up without any answers about when she might see the money she needed to make rent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The twist: Huebner wasn’t actually filing for unemployment but rather for disability. After each day on the phone, she would wrap ice packs around her hands and arms to ease the shooting pain that put her out of work in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For six weeks, I should have been resting,” Huebner said in early September. “Instead, I’m in pain with no disability income doing all of my own administrative work.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The EDD’s benefit programs have always been complex and highly individualized. In most cases, people applying for benefits do not encounter significant delays, the agency told CalMatters in a statement. It cited its \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/about_edd/eddnext/Benefiting-Californians-May-2023/#CustomerSatisfaction\">2022 survey\u003c/a> of several thousand people using its benefit systems, where 69% reported they were “completely or mostly satisfied” with the unemployment application process, and 63% said they were satisfied with the disability process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966715\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1536px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966715\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1.jpeg\" alt=\"A woman walks past the Employment Development Department building.\" width=\"1536\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/011022-EDD-Sacramento-MG-CM-03-1-160x107.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1536px) 100vw, 1536px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The California Employment Development Department offices in Sacramento on Jan. 10, 2022. \u003ccite>(Miguel Gutierrez Jr./CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The problem, workers and attorneys say, is that even a portion of the EDD’s customer base amounts to tens of thousands of people, so when things go wrong, the impacts can be huge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In January 2022, for instance, the \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2022/01/california-edd-fraud/\">EDD froze\u003c/a> 345,000 disability accounts, including an unknown number of legitimate ones, amid a wave of suspected fraud involving claims tied to fake doctors. Putting stronger safeguards in place is one of the “lessons learned from the pandemic that we should be applying to every program,” former California State Auditor Elaine Howle said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People saw the [unemployment] program was being defrauded left and right,” Howle said, “and it was like, ‘Shoot, if I can do that, what other programs are out there that I can defraud?’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mason Wilder, research manager of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, said unemployment and disability programs are just two examples of many public and private sector systems being targeted as online fraud gets easier. It now costs as little as \u003ca href=\"https://gop-waysandmeans.house.gov/five-key-moments-from-oversight-subcommittee-hearing-on-pandemic-fraud/\">25 cents\u003c/a> to buy a bunk Social Security number online, leading to a cycle of large-scale attacks followed by broad fraud crackdowns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The risk of unsuspecting people getting caught in dragnets is only anticipated to grow, Wilder and other analysts say, as technologies such as artificial intelligence allow scammers to work faster and more easily forge documents. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/california-divide/2023/01/calfresh-calworks-thefts/\">Benefit debit cards\u003c/a> used by California’s CalFresh food assistance and CalWorks cash aid programs have also been targeted in recent fraud schemes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It becomes kind of whack-a-mole,” Wilder said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And EDD’s pandemic unemployment problems have certainly not been neatly resolved. As of September, more than \u003ca href=\"https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/ui_insurance_appeal.asp\">130,000 California workers\u003c/a> were still fighting long \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/05/california-edd-unemployment-appeals/\">unemployment appeals\u003c/a> cases, waiting an average of 137 days for a hearing with a state administrative judge, according to U.S. Labor Department data analyzed by CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The EDD’s data shows that the number of rejected unemployment claims has climbed steadily since the start of the pandemic, to more than \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/newsroom/facts-and-stats/dashboard/#TotalUnemploymentClaims\">1.9 million claims\u003c/a> rejected from March 2020 through October 2023. The agency said that reflects the success of anti-fraud measures, but advocates see it as evidence that the state also continues to trap legitimate workers. They point to federal data showing that EDD decisions \u003ca href=\"https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/ui_appeal_reversal.asp\">are overturned\u003c/a> almost half the time on appeal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I definitely don’t think anything’s been resolved,” said George Warner, director of the Wage Protection Program at Legal Aid at Work. “A lot of the issues remain the same.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11966710\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1536px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05.jpeg\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11966710\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05.jpeg\" alt=\"A woman in a magenta pantsuit sits under a tree outside an office building.\" width=\"1536\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05.jpeg 1536w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/11/102623_EDD-Nancy-Farias-MG_CM_05-160x107.jpeg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1536px) 100vw, 1536px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nancy Farias, director of the California Employment Development Department, in front of the agency’s offices in Sacramento on Oct. 26, 2023. \u003ccite>(Miguel Gutierrez Jr./CalMatters)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The EDD stresses that \u003ca href=\"https://edd.ca.gov/en/newsroom/facts-and-stats/audit-progress/\">it has implemented\u003c/a> changes recommended by the California state auditor, including providing more public data and creating a new plan for future recessions. However, the auditor remains unconvinced that several major issues have been remedied. This past summer, the auditor added the EDD to its list of \u003ca href=\"https://www.bsa.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2023-601.pdf\">“high-risk” state agencies\u003c/a>, unlocking additional resources for potential future audits. Top concerns were poor customer service, high rates of benefit denials overturned on appeal, and the agency’s inability to tally pandemic fraud, delaying the state’s two most recent annual financial reports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“EDD’s mismanagement of the [unemployment] program has resulted in a substantial risk of serious detriment to the state and its residents,” the auditor’s latest report concluded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Farias said that all states face similar challenges, especially when quantifying fraud that is widely varied and, for obvious reasons, difficult to trace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is no definition of what is fraud … and that’s really the biggest problem,” said Farias, who also sits on the board of the National Association of State Workforce Agencies. “There is Nigerian fraud ring fraud — Fraud with a capital ‘F’ — and then there is, you know, Mary Jo Smith down the street that really didn’t understand what the program was.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>In San Diego, Huebner unexpectedly got an up-close look at how identity verification issues continue to plague the EDD. After she filed for disability, it took six weeks to get her first check. But then she received a letter in the mail addressed to a woman with a different name and employer in Northern California that said her benefits had been discontinued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Huebner tried to call to figure out what was going on, she realized that her YouTube trick to get through on the phone no longer worked, throwing her back into benefit limbo while she recovered from a spinal procedure and waited to see if a new EDD debit card showed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They won’t tell you anything,” Huebner said in late October. “Pain is one thing, but helplessness is totally different.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What’s next for California unemployment reform?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Before he was hired to fix the state’s pandemic problem child, EDDNext director Hughes was enjoying retirement on his Sierra foothills ranch dotted with cattle, horses and sheep. He put that on hold and went back to work at the EDD at the request of Farias, his former colleague.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hughes is quick to note that he wasn’t there for the worst of the pandemic issues. He spends a lot of time talking with other state tech executives who can empathize, such as peers at the DMV.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even from the outside, it wasn’t hard to see what went wrong at the EDD during the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you roll out a solution, it needs to work. If it doesn’t work and they call the help desk, you need to answer the phone,” Hughes said. “We didn’t do either of those things very well.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In June, his team launched a new online portal called “MyEDD,” which uses Salesforce technology for workers to file and track the status of their benefits. Some users \u003ca href=\"https://kmph.com/news/local/californias-edd-faces-backlash-over-problematic-new-website-users-unable-to-access-benefits\">reported crashes\u003c/a> during the first days of the rollout, but the system eventually stabilized. It will be built out over time, Hughes said, as the agency works through contracts for identity verification and a “claims navigator” to show workers all benefits they are eligible for.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A new call center system using Amazon technology is slated to debut within the year. First for the state’s older disability system at the end of 2023, Hughes said, then for unemployment next summer. The idea is to ultimately go from the five or six systems that EDD agents currently juggle to one system for processing claims.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Under the new system, there is a single pane of glass,” Hughes said. “As soon as they call in, all the information on their claim will come up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not the first time the EDD has tried to streamline its claims system, parts of which date back to the 1980s. 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That system was one of several that \u003ca href=\"https://www.govops.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/09/Assessment.pdf\">state reports\u003c/a> later found buckled during COVID, but Deloitte was then awarded another $118 million as the state doled out emergency pandemic funds, according to the contracts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The irony, as Pahlka observed in her book, is that the money went to the very vendor “which built the ineffectual systems in the first place.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. Rep. Katie Porter, a Democrat from Orange County who sits on a U.S. House Oversight Committee that has investigated pandemic unemployment fraud, sighed heavily when asked about the past Deloitte “unemployment modernization” project — her response, she said, to both the contractor in question and the broader lack of oversight on big-budget projects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Deloitte has an unfortunate track record of not getting it done here,” Porter said. “If we’re going to contract this and spend our dollars with a private company to do this, we have to hold them accountable for delivering.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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