Nathan Damigo, the founder of white nationalist group Identity Evropa, at a right-wing rally in Berkeley on April 15, 2017. He helped organize the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where one counterprotester was killed on Saturday. (Bert Johnson/KQED)
efore white nationalists protested in Charlottesville over the weekend, before a man allegedly plowed a car into a group of people killing one and injuring at least 19, violent clashes in Berkeley offered a window into the motives and tactics of Identity Evropa, one of the white supremacist groups intimately involved in both protests.
For leaders of this white nationalist movement, the April 15 “Battle of Berkeley" was a self-described test run to see just how far they could push the bounds of protesting, according to numerous public statements from members of the white supremacist movement.
Nathan Damigo is a founder of the California-based Identity Evropa, profiled by El Tecolote newspaper in December. A former Marine infantryman and convicted felon who lives in Stanislaus County, Damigo is being credited with helping to lead the Charlottesville protest, along with other white supremacist rallies around the country. Damigo has made these rallies a key driver for recruiting new members of the group. He did not respond to requests for comment on Saturday about his involvement in the Charlottesville event following his arrest there.
But over the course of multiple hourlong interviews over several months this year, Damigo, 31, said his group is engaged in peaceful protests protected by the First Amendment. Before Charlottesville, Damigo was probably best known for punching a 19-year-old woman in the face in Berkeley. That moment was captured on video.
In the video, Damigo -- sporting a hipster haircut, collared shirt and clenched fists -- runs up to a young, dreadlocked woman holding a camera and punches her.
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Damigo told KQED he punched the woman because she was a threat; because she was going to attack his friends; because she was a member of Antifa, a leftist confederation of socialists and anarchists -- some of whom have committed acts of violence and arson.
Essentially, Damigo said he punched her because he had to.
“She joined this organization and came with her local gang from Southern California, according to statements that she made on social media, to disrupt the events and to acquire scalps,” he said. “Furthermore, she was swinging around bottles, which is a deadly weapon, a foot-long wine bottle at people.”
That’s not what KQED witnessed at the scene of the attack, however.
What began with Damigo shouting provocative calls into a megaphone quickly turned into an all-out street brawl. Damigo was screaming "hold the line," "guard the flank" and "advance!”
Damigo violently moved through the crowd. Smoke bombs and flash grenades and glass bottles were thrown. Thick tear gas filled the air. Leftist protesters, many of them aging men, were beat up. Police were hit with firecrackers. At one point, Antifa (wearing black hoodies and masks) and the far right (wearing red hats, flag capes and paramilitary armor) fought over who could control a dumpster that was pushed down the street.
A fight broke out over control of a dumpster after right- and left-wing demonstrators clashed in Berkeley on April 15. (John Sepulvado/KQED)
Damigo found himself outside of the roaring street brawl he helped create. Alone for a moment, he stopped in the middle of the street. Then, he ran across the street, right up to the woman, and hit her. After she fell, Damigo turned, smiled and jumped back into the rolling scuffles.
"A large amount of the violence that has occurred may be due to the inroads we are making," Damigo told an interviewer after the Berkeley events.
This frenetic, violent, yet charismatic man with extreme racist views helped organize the Charlottesville rally. And he’s helping to mobilize an entire generation of white supremacists.
A graphic promoting the Charlottesville rally included the insignia of Damigo's group Identity Evropa in section "I." of the snake.
From Suburban California Kid to Imprisoned Felon
Nathan Damigo was born in Lewiston, Maine. In a long conversation with KQED, he noted with irony that the community had accepted early groups of resettled refugees.
“I wouldn’t call them refugees,” Damigo said. “It was one of the first places they started doing the Somali immigration relocation thing.”
Eventually, his mother moved the family to San Jose. In the South Bay, Damigo traced the beginning of his “race realist” awakening to feeling out of place in a multiracial city. He said he would feel uncomfortable in situations where he was the only white person.
“You’d go over to a friend’s house, or something like that, and everybody’s speaking a different language,” Damigo said, “and you’re just sitting there awkwardly. There’s no connection there.”
Nathan Damigo traces the beginning of his 'race realist' beliefs to his upbringing in the diverse city of San Jose. (Bert Johnson/KQED)
Damigo went to Liberty Baptist School in San Jose through his senior year. His mother worked as a teacher there. Like so many other California kids of his age, he listened to bands like Metallica and Soundgarden, watched "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles," and dreamed of being a pro skater.
Yet, as he aged, those dreams morphed into aspirations of a military career -- his father had served in the Marine Corps. Damigo said his desire to serve became more pronounced after the Sept. 11 attacks.
“I pretty much watched live as the second tower was hit,” he said. “That was a pretty big thing to watch.”
Damigo also credited his socially conservative family, who he said raised him to have pride in the country, for influencing his decision to enlist.
He would serve two deployments in Iraq in the infantry. It was on these tours that Damigo’s views on race began to be shaped by the violent conflict he saw on a daily basis -- killings, murders, explosions and misery.
“I saw them in Iraq, which is also a multireligious, multicultural society,” Damigo said. “And I generally saw it growing up. And it was certainly a more extreme form, but it definitely, I think, it did make me think a bit more about race and population dynamics.”
The violence that began to shape Damigo’s thinking on race also killed two of his close friends in combat. According to court documents obtained by El Tecolote and KQED, Damigo began suffering acute symptoms of PTSD as a result of his exposure to the Iraq War.
Damigo blames that trauma for his decision to rob a San Diego cab driver at gunpoint after his return from Iraq.
During a psychological evaluation conducted for the court as part of the criminal case, Damigo said he attacked the cab driver, Changiz Ezzatyar, because he mistook him for an Iraqi. Damigo said the decision came after a night of solitary heavy drinking.
Psychologist Heidi Kraft conducted another evaluation of Damigo after the assault. In her clinical notes, which were included in court documents from his trial, she wrote:
“While there is no evidence that the patient experienced psychiatric dissociation during the robbery, his PTSD symptoms were so disabling, and his use of alcohol to self-medicate was so heavy, it appears that the combination of these factors led to a serious and uncharacteristic breakdown in both insight and judgment the night of his arrest.”
Kraft added that some PTSD patients engage in thrill-seeking behavior.
“Based on this Marine’s history, which is free of any behavior even remotely similar to the night of his arrest, it is likely that he may have become one of those patients,” Kraft concluded.
His family strongly defended Damigo during the court hearing, and his story was featured on the HBO documentary, "Wartorn," as part of a broader series on post-traumatic stress disorder in veterans.
"It was like being dropped in a nightmare," his mother, Charilyn Damigo, told HBO.
Californian Who Helped Lead Charlottesville Protests Used Berkeley as a Test Run
Damigo's mother and others wrote letters to the court, urging leniency and understanding from the judge. But worried that a defense centered on PTSD would fail, Damigo accepted a plea deal and was sentenced to six years in prison.
It was during that time that he started reading the words of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, who remains a white supremacist leader and was at the Charlottesville event.
“I became disillusioned after the Iraq War with mainstream narratives,” Damigo said. “Most of [Duke’s] arguments I just couldn’t debunk, no matter how hard I tried.”
College Students Seen as the Key to a Separate White Homeland
Damigo's white supremacist group -- Identity Evropa -- is based in California but has chapters on college campuses throughout the country. The group has a high visibility on campuses from San Diego to Tuscaloosa to Charlottesville. On these campuses are fliers, banners, posters and bathroom graffiti advertising Identity Evropa videos.
Damigo’s views on race and nationalism may have been shaped by the four years in prison, but in many ways they are clear echoes of older white supremacists such as Duke. In an interview with KQED, Damigo said he believes white people need their own separate country.
But he added that he also wants his organization to be seen as more acceptable to a broader population. For example, Damigo has banned members of Identity Evropa from having tattoos on their faces, necks or hands.
“We don’t want to be seen as overly threatening,” he said.
Damigo also doesn’t swear, instead using words like “gosh” or “golly” in the place of expletives. And as other racists have argued for forceful relocation or purging of minority groups from American society, Damigo avoided talking about how he would create a white-only homeland.
But he doesn’t avoid conflict. Instead -- as they did in Berkeley and Charlottesville -- Identity Evropa and aligned white supremacist groups seem to revel in goading counterprotesters into violent clashes.
Damigo also indicated that at this stage he’s more interested in recruiting members and building a durable movement than hammering out specific policy.
“I mean, this is the stuff that will likely never happen in my lifetime,” he said.
To that end, Damigo said he is targeting college-educated white males as potential new members of Identity Evropa. That’s a big reason these rallies have been largely organized on college campuses.
They’re not just protests. They’re recruitment drives.
“Universities are institutions where the cognitive elite of the youth tend to bottleneck,” Damigo said. “They are going to be the ones who are going to be most likely to bring about change, long-term institutional change.”
“For better or for worse, I am not trying to reach each and every person who goes to a Trump rally,” Spencer told KQED prior to this weekend’s violence. “There are certainly more populist versions of the alt-right. I think it’s abundantly clear that I’m going after an elite.”
This approach appears to be working for Identity Evropa, which has recruited more than 500 members at colleges across the country, according to Damigo. KQED could not independently verify that claim.
But Brian Levin -- a noted hate-group researcher and professor at CSU San Bernardino's Department of Criminal Justice -- said he does not believe those numbers are accurate.
"I wouldn't believe any membership claims by Damigo," Levin said. “Damigo is trying to not just be the opening act in the white supremacy movement. The membership of his group is far smaller.”
However, several prominent social scientists who have begun studying the rise of the hard right said they, too, are seeing a significant uptick of participation in racist groups.
One of those researchers is Jean Twenge, a psychology professor at San Diego State University who wrote the book "iGen." She said her research shows that a minority of people younger than 24 hold racist beliefs, but there has been an increase in those numbers.
“I looked at whether white people thought black people are lazy and unintelligent, and there was an uptick in the youngest respondents,” Twenge said.
“They’re showing a lot of prejudice, really,” she added.
Twenge is unsure why this trend is happening. But she said anecdotally, there appears to be evidence that white nationalism is taking root among young men.
Berkeley sociologist Arlie Hochschild agreed. During research for her book, "Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right," she ran across a hardening of views among young men, specifically about blacks and Muslims.
“There was a great anger, especially with regards to groups like Black Lives Matter or American-Islamic groups,” Hochschild said. “There is a deep-rooted belief that in the past eight years, those groups have somehow cut to the front of the line, that their needs are being placed ahead of whites, especially white men.”
That anger -- that somehow white history and status in society is being displaced by minority groups and women -- was a driving force and rallying cry among white supremacists in Charlottesville, who marched with tiki torches lit to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue. The event to celebrate confederate and white heritage was organized locally by Jason Kessler, a local white nationalist.
According to Richard Spencer, who spoke to KQED a few weeks before the violence and deaths in Charlottesville, Damigo and his group took the lead to organize white supremacist participation among people from outside Charlottesville.
“I’d love to take credit for it, but it was more Nathan,” Spencer said.
But the outcome in Charlottesville is markedly different than it was in the Berkeley rally. Three people have died, including 32-year-old Heather Heyer, allegedly run over by an apparent white supremacist. Two Virginia State Police officers -- Pilot Lt. H. Jay Cullen and Trooper-Pilot Berke M.M. Bates -- died a few hours later when their patrol helicopter crashed en route to the scene of the violence.
Damigo was arrested in Virginia for failing to disperse. He’s set up an online fundraiser for his legal costs related to what he describes as civil rights violations in Charlottesville.
Prior to his arrest, Damigo said he was looking forward to more campus events. He told KQED one of his plans is to set up an event at UC Berkeley with Richard Spencer.
“The more these people kick and scream and whine and cry, the more publicity we get,” Damigo said. “Publicity is a good thing. From a PR perspective we want people to talk about us.”
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Editor's note: El Tecolote's Alexis Terrazas contributed to this story, which is presented in partnership with the San Francisco newspaper.
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It found a revolving door of homelessness, with most people who access services placed in interim housing. Of those, just 13% ended up with a permanent place to live, while 44% returned to homelessness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Dave Cortese (D-San José) \u003ca href=\"https://sd15.senate.ca.gov/news/senator-cortese-and-supervisor-chavez-initiate-audit-request-state-funding-san-joses-homeless\">requested the audit \u003c/a>in November 2022 after touring a sprawling San José encampment that has since been cleared. The audit request was approved in March 2023.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"California Sen. Dave Cortese, D-San José, who requested the audit\"]‘There are not clear plans in place even at the local level to establish goals that would eradicate homelessness.’[/pullquote]On Tuesday, he said the audit revealed a “data desert” and added that there clearly wasn’t enough capacity — either planned or built — to ensure that people living on the streets could get permanent housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are not clear plans in place even at the local level to establish goals that would eradicate homelessness … on a bed-by-bed, project-by-project level,” Cortese said. “Basically, you have a system where cities are putting money out … but not based on a concrete plan.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report comes as homelessness in the state reached new heights. California now accounts for a third of the country’s unhoused population and half of its unsheltered homeless citizens. \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huduser.gov%2Fportal%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fpdf%2F2023-AHAR-Part-1.pdf\">Over 181,000 Californians were unhoused\u003c/a> in 2023, a nearly 20% uptick since 2019.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s despite an unprecedented nearly \u003ca href=\"https://lao.ca.gov/handouts/socservices/2023/2023-24-Budget-Housing-Homelessness-Proposed-Budget-Changes-032923.pdf\">$24 billion in state spending on homelessness over the same period\u003c/a>, in addition to local and federal investments, according to the audit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“California is facing a concerning paradox: despite an exorbitant amount of dollars spent, the state’s homeless population is not slowing down,” Sen. Roger Niello (R-Fair Oaks), vice chair of the Senate Budget Committee, said in a statement. “These audit results are a wake-up call for a shift toward solutions that prioritize self-sufficiency and cost-effectiveness.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"California's Homeless Population, In Thousands\" aria-label=\"Column Chart\" id=\"datawrapper-chart-gPa5h\" src=\"https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/gPa5h/3/\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"width: 0; min-width: 100% !important; border: none;\" height=\"487\" data-external=\"1\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the state level, the auditor’s office focused on the California Interagency Council on Homelessness (Cal ICH) and reviewed five state-funded homelessness programs to assess cost-effectiveness. The review found the state lacks information in three of the five programs about how much they cost and whether or not they’re working — and doesn’t even have a consistent system for collecting this information for individual programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The auditor’s office found the Department of Housing and Community Development’s Homekey program and the California Department of Social Services’ CalWORKs Housing Support Program is cost‑effective but couldn’t determine whether the other three programs it studied — the State Rental Assistance Program, the Encampment Resolution Funding Program, and the Homeless Housing, Assistance and Prevention Grant Program — were because the state hasn’t collected enough data on outcomes.[aside postID=news_11981737 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/vallejo-nav-center-rendering-2-1020x680.jpg']“In the absence of this information, the State cannot determine whether these programs represent the best use of its funds,” the report states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the local level, neither city studied could account for all of its homelessness-related funding and spending despite receiving hundreds of millions of dollars, according to the report. The auditor blames a failure to establish a system for tracking and reporting spending.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The absence of such a mechanism limits the transparency and accountability of the cities’ uses of funding to address homelessness,” State Auditor Grant Parks wrote in a letter to the governor and legislators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The cities weren’t tracking how effective their contracts with service providers were or holding them to clear performance measures, the audit found.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, despite clear evidence that placing people in permanent housing leads to better outcomes, both cities have invested heavily in developing temporary shelters and still lack the capacity to house their homeless residents at those sites. While both cities are developing permanent housing, neither “has a clear, long‑term plan to ensure that they have the housing necessary,” according to the report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Susannah Parsons, director of policy and legislation for All Home, a Bay Area-based nonprofit, said that without ongoing funding to build housing at scale for people exiting homelessness, cities will continue to fall short. She was heartened, she said, by a proposed $10-$20 billion regional affordable housing bond for the Bay Area that \u003ca href=\"https://bayareahousingforall.org/frequently-asked-questions/\">could appear on the November ballot\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Without the ability to really fund more permanent housing solutions, folks will be stuck waiting outside for that permanent housing solution, or they will be moving inside to interim solutions, but without anywhere to go,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Some other report findings included:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>The state agency in charge of coordinating and tracking the effectiveness of its programs — the California Interagency Council on Homelessness (Cal ICH) — has not tracked or reported on the state’s funding for homelessness programs since 2023, when it issued a report covering fiscal years 2018 through 2021. Currently, it has no plans to perform a similar assessment in the future, according to the report.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cal ICH’s actions are not aligned with goals mandated by the Legislature. The report notes that without this alignment, the agency “lacks assurance that the actions it takes will effectively enable it to reach those goals.”\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cal ICH has no consistent method for gathering information on homelessness programs’ costs and outcomes. “As a result,” the report noted, “the state lacks information that would allow it to make data‑driven policy decisions and identify gaps in services.”\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cal ICH doesn’t know whether the data it gathers is accurate, nor has it used that data to evaluate whether programs to address homelessness are working.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The report found that 86% of people placed in housing statewide moved into interim housing rather than permanent housing.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>When people left interim housing, only 13% moved into permanent housing. By contrast, 44% of the people who left interim housing returned to homelessness.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>When people were placed in permanent housing, they returned to homelessness 4% of the time.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>As street homelessness becomes increasingly visible, public skepticism of the state’s response has grown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A demonstration of that skepticism came during the March election, when \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11980236/california-voters-pass-proposition-1-requiring-counties-to-fund-programs-tackling-homelessness\">voters approved Gov. Gavin Newsom’s latest effort to tackle the homelessness crisis by the thinnest margins\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom raised more than $13 million promoting Proposition 1, which will compel county behavioral health departments to spend some of their funding on housing and drug treatment programs.[aside postID=news_11981595 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/08/RS37791__DSC0888-qut-1020x681.jpg']Californians continue to name homelessness as one of their \u003ca href=\"https://www.ppic.org/publication/ppic-statewide-survey-californians-and-their-government-february-2024/\">top concerns in polls\u003c/a>, and officials are increasingly responding to the pressure with calls for greater accountability over spending. Newsom has paired new funding with demands for greater oversight, while a federal judge in Los Angeles is \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-03-08/federal-judge-seeks-audit-of-mayors-signature-program-inside-safe\">seeking an audit\u003c/a> of homelessness programs in the city, and auditors in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11981767/audit-finds-sf-homeless-housing-provider-misspent-taxpayer-money\">San Francisco\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/report-finds-homeless-service-provider-dema-unable-to-account-for-about-40/\">Sonoma County\u003c/a> recently investigated homeless services providers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/domestic-news-domestic-news-general-news-dac338003e3f78986bc9369430cddd0b\">scathing 2021 audit\u003c/a> found California’s management of homelessness was disjointed and lacked a centralized way to track spending or determine where efforts are duplicative. The report recommended California follow the example of other states in assigning oversight to a single entity tasked with developing a statewide strategic plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In San José, where more than 6,000 people are unhoused, Mayor Matt Mahan and his predecessor Sam Liccardo have pushed for the city to invest in interim housing as a way to quickly move unhoused residents off the streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Sheltered and Unsheltered Homelessness in San Jose\" aria-label=\"Stacked Bars\" id=\"datawrapper-chart-Dw8zM\" src=\"https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/Dw8zM/1/\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"width: 0; min-width: 100% !important; border: none;\" height=\"385\" data-external=\"1\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Homelessness increased in San José between 2015 to 2022, from just over 4,000 to 6,650. The population dipped slightly in 2023 to 6,340 — an accomplishment Mahan attributes to the city’s investment in interim housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his budget proposal last month, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979482/san-jose-mayor-matt-mahan-calls-for-urgent-action-on-homelessness-in-city-budget-plan\">Mahan proposed an increase in funding for temporary housing\u003c/a> and shelter, a shift that could result in fewer investments in building affordable housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11952913/san-jose-council-approves-modest-shift-toward-temporary-homeless-housing\">similar effort from the mayor was met with some resistance \u003c/a>from the council last year, but Mahan argued that a new mandate from regional water officials to clear encampments from the city’s river beds added urgency to his focus on short-term housing.[aside tag=\"housing,homeless\" label=\"More Housing Stories\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“More than anything, it seems like the audit calls for us to do more,” said Ray Bramson, chief operating officer for Destination Home, a research and advocacy organization that helps implement Santa Clara County’s plan to end homelessness. “That costs money, and at a time where we’re seeing the funds that we’re getting be reduced or cut.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While local taxes and bonds have raised money in recent years, Bramson pointed out that federal housing and homelessness funding has been stagnant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This has been decades and decades of disinvestment in our poorest residents at both the state and the federal levels,” he said, reiterating a common refrain calling for ongoing — as opposed to one-time — state funding. “While there’s been more investments recently, we really need some permanent, reliable sources if we’re going to implement these big system changes.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The audit report recommended the Legislature amend state law to require Cal ICH, by March 2025, to mandate reporting by state agencies on the costs and outcomes of its programs related to homelessness. To do that, Cal ICH has to establish guidelines for the agency to follow when it collects that information.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Ray Bramson, chief operating officer, Destination Home\"]‘While there’s been more investments recently, we really need some permanent, reliable sources if we’re going to implement these big system changes.’[/pullquote]The audit also recommends Cal ICH determine how much it would cost to collect and publish this information annually and request the necessary funding. By September 2025, the agency should begin publishing this data on costs and outcomes annually and create a scorecard showing how well each program is doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state is facing an estimated $73 billion budget, according to the Legislative Analysts’ Office. But despite this shortfall, Cortese said now was not the time to hold back on funding for homelessness programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That said, it’s really really important that this [data] system that the state stood up last year starts delivering to us immediately the state’s analysis of the effectiveness of those dollars,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response, Cal ICH Executive Officer Meghan Marshall said the agency “generally agrees” with the auditor’s recommendations and “will take appropriate measures to implement where possible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED correspondent \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/gmarzorati\">Guy Marzorati\u003c/a> contributed to this report. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Despite allocating about $20 billion to address homelessness in California since 2019, the state experienced a 19% increase in unhoused residents, surpassing 181,000 individuals in 2023. A state auditor reviewed both statewide and San José-specific spending.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712710569,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":true,"iframeSrcs":["https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/gPa5h/3/","https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/Dw8zM/1/"],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":35,"wordCount":1906},"headData":{"title":"California’s $20 Billion Effort to Combat Homelessness Fails to Curb Rising Unhoused Population | KQED","description":"Despite allocating about $20 billion to address homelessness in California since 2019, the state experienced a 19% increase in unhoused residents, surpassing 181,000 individuals in 2023. A state auditor reviewed both statewide and San José-specific spending.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11982237/california-audit-questions-state-homelessness-spending-san-jose","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>California is not doing enough to track and evaluate efforts to address homelessness — despite billions of dollars spent to address the crisis, a state auditor found in a report released Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The audit looked at spending in fiscal years 2020 through 2023 across California, as well as within the cities of San José and San Diego. It found a revolving door of homelessness, with most people who access services placed in interim housing. Of those, just 13% ended up with a permanent place to live, while 44% returned to homelessness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Dave Cortese (D-San José) \u003ca href=\"https://sd15.senate.ca.gov/news/senator-cortese-and-supervisor-chavez-initiate-audit-request-state-funding-san-joses-homeless\">requested the audit \u003c/a>in November 2022 after touring a sprawling San José encampment that has since been cleared. The audit request was approved in March 2023.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘There are not clear plans in place even at the local level to establish goals that would eradicate homelessness.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"California Sen. Dave Cortese, D-San José, who requested the audit","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>On Tuesday, he said the audit revealed a “data desert” and added that there clearly wasn’t enough capacity — either planned or built — to ensure that people living on the streets could get permanent housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are not clear plans in place even at the local level to establish goals that would eradicate homelessness … on a bed-by-bed, project-by-project level,” Cortese said. “Basically, you have a system where cities are putting money out … but not based on a concrete plan.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report comes as homelessness in the state reached new heights. California now accounts for a third of the country’s unhoused population and half of its unsheltered homeless citizens. \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huduser.gov%2Fportal%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fpdf%2F2023-AHAR-Part-1.pdf\">Over 181,000 Californians were unhoused\u003c/a> in 2023, a nearly 20% uptick since 2019.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s despite an unprecedented nearly \u003ca href=\"https://lao.ca.gov/handouts/socservices/2023/2023-24-Budget-Housing-Homelessness-Proposed-Budget-Changes-032923.pdf\">$24 billion in state spending on homelessness over the same period\u003c/a>, in addition to local and federal investments, according to the audit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“California is facing a concerning paradox: despite an exorbitant amount of dollars spent, the state’s homeless population is not slowing down,” Sen. Roger Niello (R-Fair Oaks), vice chair of the Senate Budget Committee, said in a statement. “These audit results are a wake-up call for a shift toward solutions that prioritize self-sufficiency and cost-effectiveness.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"California's Homeless Population, In Thousands\" aria-label=\"Column Chart\" id=\"datawrapper-chart-gPa5h\" src=\"https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/gPa5h/3/\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"width: 0; min-width: 100% !important; border: none;\" height=\"487\" data-external=\"1\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the state level, the auditor’s office focused on the California Interagency Council on Homelessness (Cal ICH) and reviewed five state-funded homelessness programs to assess cost-effectiveness. The review found the state lacks information in three of the five programs about how much they cost and whether or not they’re working — and doesn’t even have a consistent system for collecting this information for individual programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The auditor’s office found the Department of Housing and Community Development’s Homekey program and the California Department of Social Services’ CalWORKs Housing Support Program is cost‑effective but couldn’t determine whether the other three programs it studied — the State Rental Assistance Program, the Encampment Resolution Funding Program, and the Homeless Housing, Assistance and Prevention Grant Program — were because the state hasn’t collected enough data on outcomes.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11981737","hero":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/vallejo-nav-center-rendering-2-1020x680.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“In the absence of this information, the State cannot determine whether these programs represent the best use of its funds,” the report states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the local level, neither city studied could account for all of its homelessness-related funding and spending despite receiving hundreds of millions of dollars, according to the report. The auditor blames a failure to establish a system for tracking and reporting spending.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The absence of such a mechanism limits the transparency and accountability of the cities’ uses of funding to address homelessness,” State Auditor Grant Parks wrote in a letter to the governor and legislators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The cities weren’t tracking how effective their contracts with service providers were or holding them to clear performance measures, the audit found.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And, despite clear evidence that placing people in permanent housing leads to better outcomes, both cities have invested heavily in developing temporary shelters and still lack the capacity to house their homeless residents at those sites. While both cities are developing permanent housing, neither “has a clear, long‑term plan to ensure that they have the housing necessary,” according to the report.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Susannah Parsons, director of policy and legislation for All Home, a Bay Area-based nonprofit, said that without ongoing funding to build housing at scale for people exiting homelessness, cities will continue to fall short. She was heartened, she said, by a proposed $10-$20 billion regional affordable housing bond for the Bay Area that \u003ca href=\"https://bayareahousingforall.org/frequently-asked-questions/\">could appear on the November ballot\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Without the ability to really fund more permanent housing solutions, folks will be stuck waiting outside for that permanent housing solution, or they will be moving inside to interim solutions, but without anywhere to go,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Some other report findings included:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>The state agency in charge of coordinating and tracking the effectiveness of its programs — the California Interagency Council on Homelessness (Cal ICH) — has not tracked or reported on the state’s funding for homelessness programs since 2023, when it issued a report covering fiscal years 2018 through 2021. Currently, it has no plans to perform a similar assessment in the future, according to the report.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cal ICH’s actions are not aligned with goals mandated by the Legislature. The report notes that without this alignment, the agency “lacks assurance that the actions it takes will effectively enable it to reach those goals.”\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cal ICH has no consistent method for gathering information on homelessness programs’ costs and outcomes. “As a result,” the report noted, “the state lacks information that would allow it to make data‑driven policy decisions and identify gaps in services.”\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Cal ICH doesn’t know whether the data it gathers is accurate, nor has it used that data to evaluate whether programs to address homelessness are working.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The report found that 86% of people placed in housing statewide moved into interim housing rather than permanent housing.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>When people left interim housing, only 13% moved into permanent housing. By contrast, 44% of the people who left interim housing returned to homelessness.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>When people were placed in permanent housing, they returned to homelessness 4% of the time.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>As street homelessness becomes increasingly visible, public skepticism of the state’s response has grown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A demonstration of that skepticism came during the March election, when \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11980236/california-voters-pass-proposition-1-requiring-counties-to-fund-programs-tackling-homelessness\">voters approved Gov. Gavin Newsom’s latest effort to tackle the homelessness crisis by the thinnest margins\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom raised more than $13 million promoting Proposition 1, which will compel county behavioral health departments to spend some of their funding on housing and drug treatment programs.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11981595","hero":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/08/RS37791__DSC0888-qut-1020x681.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Californians continue to name homelessness as one of their \u003ca href=\"https://www.ppic.org/publication/ppic-statewide-survey-californians-and-their-government-february-2024/\">top concerns in polls\u003c/a>, and officials are increasingly responding to the pressure with calls for greater accountability over spending. Newsom has paired new funding with demands for greater oversight, while a federal judge in Los Angeles is \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-03-08/federal-judge-seeks-audit-of-mayors-signature-program-inside-safe\">seeking an audit\u003c/a> of homelessness programs in the city, and auditors in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11981767/audit-finds-sf-homeless-housing-provider-misspent-taxpayer-money\">San Francisco\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/report-finds-homeless-service-provider-dema-unable-to-account-for-about-40/\">Sonoma County\u003c/a> recently investigated homeless services providers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/domestic-news-domestic-news-general-news-dac338003e3f78986bc9369430cddd0b\">scathing 2021 audit\u003c/a> found California’s management of homelessness was disjointed and lacked a centralized way to track spending or determine where efforts are duplicative. The report recommended California follow the example of other states in assigning oversight to a single entity tasked with developing a statewide strategic plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In San José, where more than 6,000 people are unhoused, Mayor Matt Mahan and his predecessor Sam Liccardo have pushed for the city to invest in interim housing as a way to quickly move unhoused residents off the streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Sheltered and Unsheltered Homelessness in San Jose\" aria-label=\"Stacked Bars\" id=\"datawrapper-chart-Dw8zM\" src=\"https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/Dw8zM/1/\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"width: 0; min-width: 100% !important; border: none;\" height=\"385\" data-external=\"1\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Homelessness increased in San José between 2015 to 2022, from just over 4,000 to 6,650. The population dipped slightly in 2023 to 6,340 — an accomplishment Mahan attributes to the city’s investment in interim housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his budget proposal last month, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979482/san-jose-mayor-matt-mahan-calls-for-urgent-action-on-homelessness-in-city-budget-plan\">Mahan proposed an increase in funding for temporary housing\u003c/a> and shelter, a shift that could result in fewer investments in building affordable housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11952913/san-jose-council-approves-modest-shift-toward-temporary-homeless-housing\">similar effort from the mayor was met with some resistance \u003c/a>from the council last year, but Mahan argued that a new mandate from regional water officials to clear encampments from the city’s river beds added urgency to his focus on short-term housing.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"housing,homeless","label":"More Housing Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“More than anything, it seems like the audit calls for us to do more,” said Ray Bramson, chief operating officer for Destination Home, a research and advocacy organization that helps implement Santa Clara County’s plan to end homelessness. “That costs money, and at a time where we’re seeing the funds that we’re getting be reduced or cut.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While local taxes and bonds have raised money in recent years, Bramson pointed out that federal housing and homelessness funding has been stagnant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This has been decades and decades of disinvestment in our poorest residents at both the state and the federal levels,” he said, reiterating a common refrain calling for ongoing — as opposed to one-time — state funding. “While there’s been more investments recently, we really need some permanent, reliable sources if we’re going to implement these big system changes.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The audit report recommended the Legislature amend state law to require Cal ICH, by March 2025, to mandate reporting by state agencies on the costs and outcomes of its programs related to homelessness. To do that, Cal ICH has to establish guidelines for the agency to follow when it collects that information.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘While there’s been more investments recently, we really need some permanent, reliable sources if we’re going to implement these big system changes.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Ray Bramson, chief operating officer, Destination Home","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The audit also recommends Cal ICH determine how much it would cost to collect and publish this information annually and request the necessary funding. By September 2025, the agency should begin publishing this data on costs and outcomes annually and create a scorecard showing how well each program is doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state is facing an estimated $73 billion budget, according to the Legislative Analysts’ Office. But despite this shortfall, Cortese said now was not the time to hold back on funding for homelessness programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That said, it’s really really important that this [data] system that the state stood up last year starts delivering to us immediately the state’s analysis of the effectiveness of those dollars,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response, Cal ICH Executive Officer Meghan Marshall said the agency “generally agrees” with the auditor’s recommendations and “will take appropriate measures to implement where possible.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED correspondent \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/gmarzorati\">Guy Marzorati\u003c/a> contributed to this report. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982237/california-audit-questions-state-homelessness-spending-san-jose","authors":["11276"],"categories":["news_6266","news_8"],"tags":["news_20904","news_18538","news_27626","news_4020","news_32023","news_1775","news_38","news_18541","news_4981"],"featImg":"news_11982284","label":"news"},"news_11982394":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11982394","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11982394","found":true},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"new-bill-pushes-california-to-confront-digital-discrimination","title":"New Bill Pushes California to Confront Digital Discrimination","publishDate":1712759456,"format":"standard","headTitle":"New Bill Pushes California to Confront Digital Discrimination | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Even now, in an age when most of us use the Internet,\u003ca href=\"https://www.gov.ca.gov/2023/06/26/california-gets-nearly-2-billion-in-federal-funding-to-boost-high-speed-internet-access/\"> one in five Californians\u003c/a> lack reliable and affordable service. Most are lower-income people of color and rural residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This afternoon in Sacramento, the Assembly Communications & Conveyance Committee\u003ca href=\"https://acom.assembly.ca.gov/system/files/2024-04/agenda-4.10.24.pdf\"> takes up the latest salvo in this struggle, a bill\u003c/a> designed to chip away at this form of digital discrimination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are living in an unjust and inequitable moment of technology, where some have and some don’t,” said Assemblymember Mia Bonta (D-Oakland).[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Assemblymember Mia Bonta, D-Oakland, who authored AB 2239\"]‘We are living in an unjust and inequitable moment of technology, where some have and some don’t.’[/pullquote]The author of\u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB2239\"> AB 2239\u003c/a> said it would make California the first state in the nation to codify the Federal Communication Commission’s newly adopted definition of digital discrimination into state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We know that equitable access to fast, reliable and affordable Internet is a non-negotiable part of everyday life,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The FCC’s new rules adopt a “disparate impact” standard for identifying digital discrimination, meaning broadband providers could be in violation, even if they are not intentionally withholding adequate Internet from a protected group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The disparate impact standard has long been applied in education, in housing and health care, and more. And what this bill is doing is essentially saying it also needs to be applied to broadband access,” Bonta said. “Regardless of the inputs that you have around broadband intent and the different programs that we set up if there is a disparate impact — and we know that there is — then that’s considered discrimination.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Catch up fast:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“It’s not acceptable to have a California where such an essential infrastructure is not equally accessible to all Californians,” said Miguel Santana, president and CEO of the California Community Foundation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The most common criticism I’ve heard is that [AB 2239] is not necessary because there is no intention to discriminate. And that the industry has implemented a number of programs to help create access to low-income, marginalized communities,” Santana said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11969906/digital-advocates-say-californias-broadband-for-all-initiative-fails-to-center-equity\"> outcomes\u003c/a> speak for themselves,” he added, referencing the fact that researchers and activists say low-income Californians pay more for worse service than those in wealthy neighborhoods because there’s often no competition in poor neighborhoods to compel Internet providers to compete on service and price.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982428\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982428\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1201\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-800x500.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-1020x638.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-160x100.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-1536x961.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Remote technology performance management company Hubble IQ partnered with Oakland Undivided to run nearly half a million speed tests across Oakland. ‘Over 75% of the Internet connections we tested never reach the speed threshold to be considered served,’ Oakland Undivided director Patrick Messac said. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Hubble IQ)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>The context:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The advocacy group \u003ca href=\"https://www.oaklandundivided.org/fixthemaps\">Oakland Undivided\u003c/a> recently partnered with remote technology performance management company, \u003ca href=\"https://www.hubbleiq.com/broadbandequity\">Hubble IQ,\u003c/a> to run nearly half a million speed tests across Oakland.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Patrick Messac, director, Oakland Undivided\"]‘The facts of the digital divide in California are stark. Race and income are the best predictors of whether you have access to the Internet in your neighborhood, how reliable it is and what you pay for it.’[/pullquote]“Over 75% of the Internet connections we tested never reach the speed threshold to be considered served,” said Oakland Undivided director Patrick Messac. “The facts of the digital divide in California are stark. Race and income are the best predictors of whether you have access to the Internet in your neighborhood, how reliable it is and what you pay for it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The big picture:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“In many cases, I would say that discrimination is often not per se the intent. Maximizing profit and delivering value to shareholders is the intent,” Tracy Rosenberg of \u003ca href=\"https://media-alliance.org/2024/03/protecting-digital-discrimination-rules-in-the-8th-circuit/\">Media Alliance wrote\u003c/a>. The advocacy group is a party to the 8th Circuit proceeding where the FCC’s rules, which AB 2239 aims to align with at the state level, are being challenged.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Because of history, market conditions and existing societal divides, the intent of maximizing shareholder value leads inexorably to actions that exacerbate digital inequity,” Rosenberg added.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The opposing view:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Contacted for comment, a spokeswoman for Charter Communications’ company, \u003ca href=\"https://policy.charter.com/charter-california-fact-sheet.pdf\">Spectrum\u003c/a>, responded that it is still reviewing the legislation but that “Spectrum Internet plans, download speeds and regular prices are not only exactly the same in \u003cem>every\u003c/em> ZIP code we serve in California but also across our entire 41-state service area.”[aside postID=news_11954197 hero='https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/230629-WiFi-Illo-AV-KQED-1020x765.jpg']AT&T, another major player in the state, referred KQED to Cal Chamber, which lobbies on behalf of the broadband industry. In a \u003ca href=\"https://ct3.blob.core.windows.net/23blobs/a72cc815-68b6-4ff2-9a4c-2922f3666233\">letter\u003c/a> to the Assembly Communications & Conveyance Committee, which is hearing AB 2239 on Tuesday, Cal Chamber argued, “We do not want to repeat the FCC’s mistakes in California, which would risk provoking costly litigation and delaying the deployment,” of ongoing universal connectivity programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The bottom line:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>This early in the legislative session, it’s hard to anticipate whether the bill will survive or how its language might be changed in the coming months to mollify industry-backed critics or forestall lawsuits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Bonta said that if her bill becomes law, California will send a clear signal to the rest of the country to consider Internet connectivity as a social justice issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Over decades, the California Legislature has struggled to combat digital discrimination. AB 2239, introduced by Assemblymember Mia Bonta of Oakland, aims to compel state regulators to address Internet connectivity as a matter of social justice.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712851248,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":938},"headData":{"title":"New Bill Pushes California to Confront Digital Discrimination | KQED","description":"Over decades, the California Legislature has struggled to combat digital discrimination. 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Most are lower-income people of color and rural residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This afternoon in Sacramento, the Assembly Communications & Conveyance Committee\u003ca href=\"https://acom.assembly.ca.gov/system/files/2024-04/agenda-4.10.24.pdf\"> takes up the latest salvo in this struggle, a bill\u003c/a> designed to chip away at this form of digital discrimination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are living in an unjust and inequitable moment of technology, where some have and some don’t,” said Assemblymember Mia Bonta (D-Oakland).\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘We are living in an unjust and inequitable moment of technology, where some have and some don’t.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Assemblymember Mia Bonta, D-Oakland, who authored AB 2239","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The author of\u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB2239\"> AB 2239\u003c/a> said it would make California the first state in the nation to codify the Federal Communication Commission’s newly adopted definition of digital discrimination into state law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We know that equitable access to fast, reliable and affordable Internet is a non-negotiable part of everyday life,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The FCC’s new rules adopt a “disparate impact” standard for identifying digital discrimination, meaning broadband providers could be in violation, even if they are not intentionally withholding adequate Internet from a protected group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The disparate impact standard has long been applied in education, in housing and health care, and more. And what this bill is doing is essentially saying it also needs to be applied to broadband access,” Bonta said. “Regardless of the inputs that you have around broadband intent and the different programs that we set up if there is a disparate impact — and we know that there is — then that’s considered discrimination.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Catch up fast:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“It’s not acceptable to have a California where such an essential infrastructure is not equally accessible to all Californians,” said Miguel Santana, president and CEO of the California Community Foundation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The most common criticism I’ve heard is that [AB 2239] is not necessary because there is no intention to discriminate. And that the industry has implemented a number of programs to help create access to low-income, marginalized communities,” Santana said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11969906/digital-advocates-say-californias-broadband-for-all-initiative-fails-to-center-equity\"> outcomes\u003c/a> speak for themselves,” he added, referencing the fact that researchers and activists say low-income Californians pay more for worse service than those in wealthy neighborhoods because there’s often no competition in poor neighborhoods to compel Internet providers to compete on service and price.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982428\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982428\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1201\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-800x500.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-1020x638.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-160x100.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/OaklandInternetMap-1536x961.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Remote technology performance management company Hubble IQ partnered with Oakland Undivided to run nearly half a million speed tests across Oakland. ‘Over 75% of the Internet connections we tested never reach the speed threshold to be considered served,’ Oakland Undivided director Patrick Messac said. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Hubble IQ)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>The context:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The advocacy group \u003ca href=\"https://www.oaklandundivided.org/fixthemaps\">Oakland Undivided\u003c/a> recently partnered with remote technology performance management company, \u003ca href=\"https://www.hubbleiq.com/broadbandequity\">Hubble IQ,\u003c/a> to run nearly half a million speed tests across Oakland.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘The facts of the digital divide in California are stark. Race and income are the best predictors of whether you have access to the Internet in your neighborhood, how reliable it is and what you pay for it.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Patrick Messac, director, Oakland Undivided","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Over 75% of the Internet connections we tested never reach the speed threshold to be considered served,” said Oakland Undivided director Patrick Messac. “The facts of the digital divide in California are stark. Race and income are the best predictors of whether you have access to the Internet in your neighborhood, how reliable it is and what you pay for it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The big picture:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“In many cases, I would say that discrimination is often not per se the intent. Maximizing profit and delivering value to shareholders is the intent,” Tracy Rosenberg of \u003ca href=\"https://media-alliance.org/2024/03/protecting-digital-discrimination-rules-in-the-8th-circuit/\">Media Alliance wrote\u003c/a>. The advocacy group is a party to the 8th Circuit proceeding where the FCC’s rules, which AB 2239 aims to align with at the state level, are being challenged.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Because of history, market conditions and existing societal divides, the intent of maximizing shareholder value leads inexorably to actions that exacerbate digital inequity,” Rosenberg added.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The opposing view:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Contacted for comment, a spokeswoman for Charter Communications’ company, \u003ca href=\"https://policy.charter.com/charter-california-fact-sheet.pdf\">Spectrum\u003c/a>, responded that it is still reviewing the legislation but that “Spectrum Internet plans, download speeds and regular prices are not only exactly the same in \u003cem>every\u003c/em> ZIP code we serve in California but also across our entire 41-state service area.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11954197","hero":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/06/230629-WiFi-Illo-AV-KQED-1020x765.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>AT&T, another major player in the state, referred KQED to Cal Chamber, which lobbies on behalf of the broadband industry. In a \u003ca href=\"https://ct3.blob.core.windows.net/23blobs/a72cc815-68b6-4ff2-9a4c-2922f3666233\">letter\u003c/a> to the Assembly Communications & Conveyance Committee, which is hearing AB 2239 on Tuesday, Cal Chamber argued, “We do not want to repeat the FCC’s mistakes in California, which would risk provoking costly litigation and delaying the deployment,” of ongoing universal connectivity programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The bottom line:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>This early in the legislative session, it’s hard to anticipate whether the bill will survive or how its language might be changed in the coming months to mollify industry-backed critics or forestall lawsuits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Bonta said that if her bill becomes law, California will send a clear signal to the rest of the country to consider Internet connectivity as a social justice issue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982394/new-bill-pushes-california-to-confront-digital-discrimination","authors":["251"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_18538","news_22447","news_33653","news_21405","news_27626","news_31079","news_29347","news_18","news_353","news_1631"],"featImg":"news_11887623","label":"news"},"news_11982330":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11982330","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11982330","found":true},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-first-over-the-counter-birth-control-pill-is-now-available-how-does-it-work","title":"The 1st Over-the-Counter Birth Control Pill is Now Available. How Does it Work?","publishDate":1712746849,"format":"standard","headTitle":"The 1st Over-the-Counter Birth Control Pill is Now Available. How Does it Work? | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Opill — the \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/\">over-the-counter birth control pill\u003c/a> that was \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pills-without-prescription-fda-b6728e98af5f1625520e0fa5fbc911c3\">approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year\u003c/a> — is \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pill-pharmacy-contraceptive-add40fec7589dae8ba26eb29bee36b8b\">now available\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This means people now have access to a birth control pill without needing a prescription from a doctor or requiring health insurance — making it accessible “over-the-counter,” like a painkiller like Tylenol.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Sophia Yen, clinical associate professor, Stanford Medical School\"]‘I think it’s really important for people to know that this is the best, most efficacious method available over the counter.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think it’s really important for people to know that this is the best, most efficacious method available over the counter,” said Sophia Yen, a clinical associate professor at Stanford Medical School and \u003ca href=\"https://www.pandiahealth.com/dr-sophia-yen/\">co-founder of Pandia Health\u003c/a>, an organization specializing in reproductive care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in 2019, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology recommended that all birth control methods — \u003ca href=\"https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/09/26/birth-control-should-sold-over-counter-gynecologists-without-prescription-acog/2439101001/\">including the ring, patch, and the pill\u003c/a> — should become available over-the-counter, as Opill now is. And now, this pill is becoming readily \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pill-pharmacy-contraceptive-add40fec7589dae8ba26eb29bee36b8b\">available at a time\u003c/a> when reproductive rights — like access to abortion — have been under \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/abortion\">legal attacks throughout the country after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you are a person who wants to start taking birth control but may not have health insurance or access to a prescriber, keep reading to find out what to know about the over-the-counter birth control pill.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Who can buy Opill, and where is it available?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>You can buy Opill in the following ways in California, with no insurance required:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Over-the-counter at a pharmacy like Walgreens or CVS.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>In the family planning aisles of a major retail store (for example, Walmart).\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Online at \u003ca href=\"http://opill.com\">opill.com\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>There is \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pill-pharmacy-contraceptive-add40fec7589dae8ba26eb29bee36b8b\">no age restriction on sales\u003c/a>, and the packaging is described by the company as “discreet,” for buyer’s privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the manufacturer, you \u003ca href=\"https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0719/3211/7296/files/Opill-CIL.pdf?v=1707506323\">should not use Opill\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>If you have ever had breast cancer.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Together with another birth control pill, vaginal ring, patch, implant, injection or an IUD.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>If you are allergic to ingredients in Opill (for example, some people allergic to aspirin are also allergic to tartrazine, which is the color additive in Opill).\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>How much does Opill cost?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>According to Opill’s website, a month’s supply retails for $19.99. A three-pack supply of Opill costs \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/products/opill?variant=47067484487984\">around $50\u003c/a>, and a six-pack costs $90.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As of August 2023, California passed \u003ca href=\"https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-first-over-the-counter-birth-control-pill-marks-a-pivotal-moment-in-birth-control-access/#:~:text=Is%20Opill%20covered%20by%20insurance,prescription%20and%20without%20cost%20sharing.\">a law requiring state-regulated private health insurers\u003c/a> to cover over-the-counter contraception without a prescription and without cost sharing. But as NPR notes, “\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/04/1235404522/opill-over-counter-birth-control-pill-contraceptive-shop\">not everyone wants their birth control pill to show up on their insurance\u003c/a>, so they may choose to pay out of pocket” rather than having insurance cover those costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Opill is also eligible for reimbursement through a \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/pages/faqs?topic=buying-opill\">Flexible Spending Account or Health Savings Account\u003c/a> — meaning the \u003ca href=\"https://hr.nih.gov/about/news/benefits/difference-between-flexible-spending-account-fsa-and-health-savings-account-hsa\">money people set aside in their employee benefits\u003c/a> can potentially be used to purchase Opill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is also \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/pages/cost-assistance-program\">a cost assistance program for low-income folks who want to purchase Opill\u003c/a>. In order to be eligible for the cost assistance program, a person must:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Reside in the United States or its territories, and\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Not be covered by commercial or public insurance (like Medicaid/Medi-Cal, Medicare, VA health care), and\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Have a household income at or below \u003ca href=\"https://www.medicaidplanningassistance.org/federal-poverty-guidelines/\">200% of the Federal Poverty Level\u003c/a> (For one person, that is at or below $30,120. For a household of two people, it is $40,880.)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>How does Opill work to prevent pregnancy?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Opill is a daily progestin-only pill, also known as a “mini-pill.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Progestin-only pills work by \u003ca href=\"https://www.thewomens.org.au/health-information/contraception/contraceptive-pills#:~:text=The%20combined%20pill%20contains%20two,through%20to%20fertilise%20the%20egg.\">thickening the mucus at the entrance of the uterus\u003c/a> so sperm cannot pass through to fertilize an egg and result in pregnancy. \u003ca href=\"https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0719/3211/7296/files/Opill-CIL.pdf?v=1707506323\">Opill takes 48 hours to become effective\u003c/a>, so extra protection — such as condoms — should be used for those first two days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are a few things to consider about choosing a progestin-only pill like Opill, Yen said. Other prescription birth control pills typically both include estrogen and progestin, and are known as the “combined pill”, because they contain two hormones that \u003ca href=\"https://www.thewomens.org.au/health-information/contraception/contraceptive-pills#:~:text=The%20combined%20pill%20contains%20two,through%20to%20fertilise%20the%20egg.\">prevent the ovaries from releasing an egg each month\u003c/a>. This means they are \u003ca href=\"https://gynraleigh.com/birth-control-progestin-only-pills-vs-combination-pills/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20main%20advantages,women%20who%20cannot%20take%20estrogen.\">slightly more effective than the progestin-only counterparts\u003c/a> like Opill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bleeding patterns on the progestin-only pills can also be unpredictable, Yen said. However, some people — like \u003ca href=\"https://gynraleigh.com/birth-control-progestin-only-pills-vs-combination-pills/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20main%20advantages,women%20who%20cannot%20take%20estrogen.\">individuals over the age of 35, people breastfeeding, or those who are at higher risk of blood clots\u003c/a> — may want to avoid estrogen and, therefore, seek out a progestin-only pill anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Research from \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430882/\">Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center\u003c/a> has found that when either pill is used perfectly — meaning every day, on time — “less than one woman out of 100 will become pregnant in the first year of use.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But “perfect” use isn’t always realistic. This is why research notes that \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430882/\">the failure rate for “typical use” of combined oral contraceptive pills\u003c/a> — that is, pills not always used consistently — is 9% “due to human error.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That means timing is important. A person using birth control pills needs to take one pill at the same time every day for maximum effectiveness at preventing pregnancy — but “any birth control pill has a window of forgiveness,” Yen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A combination pill, she explained, has “a 24-hour window of forgiveness, generally.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Usually we say: ‘You miss one pill? Take it as soon as you remember it. If you miss three pills, [the] game’s up, and you need emergency contraception.'”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, a progestin-only pill like Opill has a smaller window of forgiveness because “you don’t have estrogen as the backup” as you do with the combination pill, Yen said, “so the window of forgiveness is three hours, technically.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But “who hasn’t been late taking their birth control by three hours?” Yen said, acknowledging how unexpected schedule changes or straight-up forgetfulness can impact a person’s pill regimen. If you do find you’re taking your progestin-only pill three hours late or more, “you will need to abstain from sex for at least the next 48 hours,” she recommends, “while the hormone level gets [back] up to a level that can protect you.” \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/pages/faqs?topic=taking-opill\">Opill’s own FAQs also note that you should “use a condom\u003c/a> each time you have sex for the next two days” if you don’t abstain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What if a person is three or more hours late in taking their pill and they’ve had sex in the past three to five days? Since sperm can live for up to five days, in this case, Yen suggests seeking out emergency contraception as soon as possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Often, confusion over when to take birth control can arise when a person is traveling and arriving in a new time zone. In this case, the next pill needs to be taken 24 hours after you last took a pill, advised Yen.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What should I do if I miss the ‘window of forgiveness’ with my birth control pill?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Emergency contraception \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/emergency-contraception#:~:text=Emergency%20contraception%20(EC)%20can%20prevent,assault%20if%20without%20contraception%20coverage.\">can prevent 95% of pregnancies within five days\u003c/a> of unprotected sex, like a broken condom or missing the window of forgiveness. Options include \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/whats-plan-b-morning-after-pill\">morning-after pills like Plan B\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/iud/non-hormonal-copper-iud\">the copper IUD\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/iud/hormonal-iuds#:~:text=The%20hormonal%20IUD%20releases%20a,while%20you're%20using%20it.\">the hormonal IUD\u003c/a>. You can find a clinic that offers these services \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care\">using Planned Parenthood’s search tool\u003c/a>.[aside tag=\"health\" label=\"More Health Stories\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yen said emergency contraception that is prescribed “beats any over-the-counter emergency contraception and efficacy at every single time point,” Yen said. “And thanks to the Affordable Care Act, if you have insurance, it’s available with no co-pay, no deductible, aka free.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Yen said a person’s body mass index does factor in whether or not the over-the-counter emergency contraception is effective. For example, if a person’s BMI is greater than 26 — a medication like Plan B may not work as well. If it is greater than 30, Yen said, it “doesn’t work at all.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yen said Ella — a \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/whats-ella-morning-after-pill\">prescription emergency contraception\u003c/a> (also known as a “morning-after pill”) — is effective with BMIs up to 35. Planned Parenthood has \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/online-tools/emergency-contraception\">a quiz for people to see which method of emergency contraception could work for them\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Can a birth control pill prevent STIs?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>No, pills \u003ca href=\"https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0719/3211/7296/files/Opill-CIL.pdf?v=1707506323\">cannot prevent sexually transmitted infections\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If a person is aged 12 to 19 in California, \u003ca href=\"https://www.teensource.org/condoms/free\">the Condom Access Project has a search tool to find free condoms\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You can \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfcityclinic.org/patient-education-resources/all-about-condoms\">also get condoms\u003c/a> in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfcityclinic.org/services/sti-and-hiv-testing\">San Francisco City Clinic\u003c/a>, which provides low-cost STI testing. Free or low-cost condoms are also available at the Public Health Division on Van Ness Avenue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Your county may also provide free condoms as \u003ca href=\"https://publichealth.sccgov.org/services/community-resources#3925188384-263336965\">Santa Clara County does at the Crane Center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Opill, the over-the-counter birth control pill that was approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year, is now available.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712790176,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":35,"wordCount":1554},"headData":{"title":"The 1st Over-the-Counter Birth Control Pill is Now Available. How Does it Work? | KQED","description":"Opill, the over-the-counter birth control pill that was approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year, is now available.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11982330/the-first-over-the-counter-birth-control-pill-is-now-available-how-does-it-work","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Opill — the \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/\">over-the-counter birth control pill\u003c/a> that was \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pills-without-prescription-fda-b6728e98af5f1625520e0fa5fbc911c3\">approved by the Food and Drug Administration last year\u003c/a> — is \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pill-pharmacy-contraceptive-add40fec7589dae8ba26eb29bee36b8b\">now available\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This means people now have access to a birth control pill without needing a prescription from a doctor or requiring health insurance — making it accessible “over-the-counter,” like a painkiller like Tylenol.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘I think it’s really important for people to know that this is the best, most efficacious method available over the counter.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Sophia Yen, clinical associate professor, Stanford Medical School","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think it’s really important for people to know that this is the best, most efficacious method available over the counter,” said Sophia Yen, a clinical associate professor at Stanford Medical School and \u003ca href=\"https://www.pandiahealth.com/dr-sophia-yen/\">co-founder of Pandia Health\u003c/a>, an organization specializing in reproductive care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in 2019, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology recommended that all birth control methods — \u003ca href=\"https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/09/26/birth-control-should-sold-over-counter-gynecologists-without-prescription-acog/2439101001/\">including the ring, patch, and the pill\u003c/a> — should become available over-the-counter, as Opill now is. And now, this pill is becoming readily \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pill-pharmacy-contraceptive-add40fec7589dae8ba26eb29bee36b8b\">available at a time\u003c/a> when reproductive rights — like access to abortion — have been under \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/abortion\">legal attacks throughout the country after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you are a person who wants to start taking birth control but may not have health insurance or access to a prescriber, keep reading to find out what to know about the over-the-counter birth control pill.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Who can buy Opill, and where is it available?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>You can buy Opill in the following ways in California, with no insurance required:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Over-the-counter at a pharmacy like Walgreens or CVS.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>In the family planning aisles of a major retail store (for example, Walmart).\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Online at \u003ca href=\"http://opill.com\">opill.com\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>There is \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/birth-control-pill-pharmacy-contraceptive-add40fec7589dae8ba26eb29bee36b8b\">no age restriction on sales\u003c/a>, and the packaging is described by the company as “discreet,” for buyer’s privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the manufacturer, you \u003ca href=\"https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0719/3211/7296/files/Opill-CIL.pdf?v=1707506323\">should not use Opill\u003c/a>:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>If you have ever had breast cancer.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Together with another birth control pill, vaginal ring, patch, implant, injection or an IUD.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>If you are allergic to ingredients in Opill (for example, some people allergic to aspirin are also allergic to tartrazine, which is the color additive in Opill).\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>How much does Opill cost?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>According to Opill’s website, a month’s supply retails for $19.99. A three-pack supply of Opill costs \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/products/opill?variant=47067484487984\">around $50\u003c/a>, and a six-pack costs $90.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As of August 2023, California passed \u003ca href=\"https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-first-over-the-counter-birth-control-pill-marks-a-pivotal-moment-in-birth-control-access/#:~:text=Is%20Opill%20covered%20by%20insurance,prescription%20and%20without%20cost%20sharing.\">a law requiring state-regulated private health insurers\u003c/a> to cover over-the-counter contraception without a prescription and without cost sharing. But as NPR notes, “\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/04/1235404522/opill-over-counter-birth-control-pill-contraceptive-shop\">not everyone wants their birth control pill to show up on their insurance\u003c/a>, so they may choose to pay out of pocket” rather than having insurance cover those costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Opill is also eligible for reimbursement through a \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/pages/faqs?topic=buying-opill\">Flexible Spending Account or Health Savings Account\u003c/a> — meaning the \u003ca href=\"https://hr.nih.gov/about/news/benefits/difference-between-flexible-spending-account-fsa-and-health-savings-account-hsa\">money people set aside in their employee benefits\u003c/a> can potentially be used to purchase Opill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is also \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/pages/cost-assistance-program\">a cost assistance program for low-income folks who want to purchase Opill\u003c/a>. In order to be eligible for the cost assistance program, a person must:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Reside in the United States or its territories, and\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Not be covered by commercial or public insurance (like Medicaid/Medi-Cal, Medicare, VA health care), and\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Have a household income at or below \u003ca href=\"https://www.medicaidplanningassistance.org/federal-poverty-guidelines/\">200% of the Federal Poverty Level\u003c/a> (For one person, that is at or below $30,120. For a household of two people, it is $40,880.)\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>How does Opill work to prevent pregnancy?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Opill is a daily progestin-only pill, also known as a “mini-pill.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Progestin-only pills work by \u003ca href=\"https://www.thewomens.org.au/health-information/contraception/contraceptive-pills#:~:text=The%20combined%20pill%20contains%20two,through%20to%20fertilise%20the%20egg.\">thickening the mucus at the entrance of the uterus\u003c/a> so sperm cannot pass through to fertilize an egg and result in pregnancy. \u003ca href=\"https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0719/3211/7296/files/Opill-CIL.pdf?v=1707506323\">Opill takes 48 hours to become effective\u003c/a>, so extra protection — such as condoms — should be used for those first two days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There are a few things to consider about choosing a progestin-only pill like Opill, Yen said. Other prescription birth control pills typically both include estrogen and progestin, and are known as the “combined pill”, because they contain two hormones that \u003ca href=\"https://www.thewomens.org.au/health-information/contraception/contraceptive-pills#:~:text=The%20combined%20pill%20contains%20two,through%20to%20fertilise%20the%20egg.\">prevent the ovaries from releasing an egg each month\u003c/a>. This means they are \u003ca href=\"https://gynraleigh.com/birth-control-progestin-only-pills-vs-combination-pills/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20main%20advantages,women%20who%20cannot%20take%20estrogen.\">slightly more effective than the progestin-only counterparts\u003c/a> like Opill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bleeding patterns on the progestin-only pills can also be unpredictable, Yen said. However, some people — like \u003ca href=\"https://gynraleigh.com/birth-control-progestin-only-pills-vs-combination-pills/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20main%20advantages,women%20who%20cannot%20take%20estrogen.\">individuals over the age of 35, people breastfeeding, or those who are at higher risk of blood clots\u003c/a> — may want to avoid estrogen and, therefore, seek out a progestin-only pill anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Research from \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430882/\">Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center\u003c/a> has found that when either pill is used perfectly — meaning every day, on time — “less than one woman out of 100 will become pregnant in the first year of use.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But “perfect” use isn’t always realistic. This is why research notes that \u003ca href=\"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430882/\">the failure rate for “typical use” of combined oral contraceptive pills\u003c/a> — that is, pills not always used consistently — is 9% “due to human error.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That means timing is important. A person using birth control pills needs to take one pill at the same time every day for maximum effectiveness at preventing pregnancy — but “any birth control pill has a window of forgiveness,” Yen said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A combination pill, she explained, has “a 24-hour window of forgiveness, generally.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Usually we say: ‘You miss one pill? Take it as soon as you remember it. If you miss three pills, [the] game’s up, and you need emergency contraception.'”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, a progestin-only pill like Opill has a smaller window of forgiveness because “you don’t have estrogen as the backup” as you do with the combination pill, Yen said, “so the window of forgiveness is three hours, technically.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But “who hasn’t been late taking their birth control by three hours?” Yen said, acknowledging how unexpected schedule changes or straight-up forgetfulness can impact a person’s pill regimen. If you do find you’re taking your progestin-only pill three hours late or more, “you will need to abstain from sex for at least the next 48 hours,” she recommends, “while the hormone level gets [back] up to a level that can protect you.” \u003ca href=\"https://opill.com/pages/faqs?topic=taking-opill\">Opill’s own FAQs also note that you should “use a condom\u003c/a> each time you have sex for the next two days” if you don’t abstain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What if a person is three or more hours late in taking their pill and they’ve had sex in the past three to five days? Since sperm can live for up to five days, in this case, Yen suggests seeking out emergency contraception as soon as possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Often, confusion over when to take birth control can arise when a person is traveling and arriving in a new time zone. In this case, the next pill needs to be taken 24 hours after you last took a pill, advised Yen.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>What should I do if I miss the ‘window of forgiveness’ with my birth control pill?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Emergency contraception \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/emergency-contraception#:~:text=Emergency%20contraception%20(EC)%20can%20prevent,assault%20if%20without%20contraception%20coverage.\">can prevent 95% of pregnancies within five days\u003c/a> of unprotected sex, like a broken condom or missing the window of forgiveness. Options include \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/whats-plan-b-morning-after-pill\">morning-after pills like Plan B\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/iud/non-hormonal-copper-iud\">the copper IUD\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/iud/hormonal-iuds#:~:text=The%20hormonal%20IUD%20releases%20a,while%20you're%20using%20it.\">the hormonal IUD\u003c/a>. You can find a clinic that offers these services \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care\">using Planned Parenthood’s search tool\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"tag":"health","label":"More Health Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yen said emergency contraception that is prescribed “beats any over-the-counter emergency contraception and efficacy at every single time point,” Yen said. “And thanks to the Affordable Care Act, if you have insurance, it’s available with no co-pay, no deductible, aka free.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, Yen said a person’s body mass index does factor in whether or not the over-the-counter emergency contraception is effective. For example, if a person’s BMI is greater than 26 — a medication like Plan B may not work as well. If it is greater than 30, Yen said, it “doesn’t work at all.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yen said Ella — a \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/whats-ella-morning-after-pill\">prescription emergency contraception\u003c/a> (also known as a “morning-after pill”) — is effective with BMIs up to 35. Planned Parenthood has \u003ca href=\"https://www.plannedparenthood.org/online-tools/emergency-contraception\">a quiz for people to see which method of emergency contraception could work for them\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>Can a birth control pill prevent STIs?\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>No, pills \u003ca href=\"https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0719/3211/7296/files/Opill-CIL.pdf?v=1707506323\">cannot prevent sexually transmitted infections\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If a person is aged 12 to 19 in California, \u003ca href=\"https://www.teensource.org/condoms/free\">the Condom Access Project has a search tool to find free condoms\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You can \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfcityclinic.org/patient-education-resources/all-about-condoms\">also get condoms\u003c/a> in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfcityclinic.org/services/sti-and-hiv-testing\">San Francisco City Clinic\u003c/a>, which provides low-cost STI testing. Free or low-cost condoms are also available at the Public Health Division on Van Ness Avenue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Your county may also provide free condoms as \u003ca href=\"https://publichealth.sccgov.org/services/community-resources#3925188384-263336965\">Santa Clara County does at the Crane Center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982330/the-first-over-the-counter-birth-control-pill-is-now-available-how-does-it-work","authors":["11867"],"categories":["news_31795","news_457","news_28250","news_8"],"tags":["news_866","news_19985","news_19944","news_27626","news_18543"],"featImg":"news_11982372","label":"news"},"news_11982529":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11982529","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11982529","found":true},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"we-are-sacred-as-eid-arrives-queer-muslims-reflect-on-community","title":"‘We Are Sacred’: As Eid Arrives, How Queer Muslims Curate Community","publishDate":1712775602,"format":"standard","headTitle":"‘We Are Sacred’: As Eid Arrives, How Queer Muslims Curate Community | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Under \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11910408/ramadan-begins-on-a-crescent-moon-ushering-in-a-holy-month-of-fasting-and-kindness\">a Ramadan moon\u003c/a> in a downtown Oakland restaurant, a crowd of around 70 people left their shoes at the door and packed inside to break fast together.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979258/ramadan-2024-where-to-join-iftars-and-suhoors-in-the-bay-area\">At this Iftar\u003c/a>, hummus, pita, chicken and rice were passed out, alongside the obligatory chai — as well as vendors selling art, prints and handmade soaps. The main event of the night, however, was the lineup of poetry, music and stand-up comedy, all performed by LGBTQ+ Muslims from around the Bay Area.[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Zara Ahmed, Oakland resident\"]‘We wanted to hold space for our community in Oakland, and in the Bay Area, to invite queer Muslims to come out and join us — because we are sacred.’[/pullquote]The queer Iftar took place just ahead of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13955448/where-to-celebrate-eid-al-fitr-in-the-bay-area-from-buffets-to-food-markets\">Eid al-Fitr\u003c/a>, the feast of the breaking of the fast that marks the end of Ramadan. Oakland residents Zara Ahmed and Hafsa Luvsa, who met at past queer \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979258/ramadan-2024-where-to-join-iftars-and-suhoors-in-the-bay-area\">Iftars in the Bay Area\u003c/a>, organized and emceed this open-mic night. The pair also regularly jam out together in a classical band the Naan Biryanis — a play on “nonbinary.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We wanted to hold space for our community in Oakland, and in the Bay Area, to invite queer Muslims to come out and join us — because we are sacred,” Ahmed said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And some performers that night, like Weyam Al-Ghadban, a stand-up comedian based in Oakland, got up for the first time in front of a queer \u003cem>and \u003c/em>Muslim audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I literally almost feel my ancestors — who either were queer in ways we don’t recognize or couldn’t be queer — heave a sigh of relief,” Al-Ghadban said in an interview. “Like, ‘Wow: Look at these fully-expressed human beings.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Al-Ghadban said it was a relief not to have to explain every nuance of their life to an audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m Arab. Who’s Arab?” Al-Ghadban asked the audience, which was met with several cheers. “Yeah, it’s a really f—ing hard time to be Arab right now,” they said during their set.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981885\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1333px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981885\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1333\" height=\"2000\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED.jpg 1333w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-1024x1536.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1333px) 100vw, 1333px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Weyam Al-Ghadban performs stand-up comedy at a queer Muslim open-mic event during the holy month of Ramadan at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Al-Ghadban’s situational humor did not shy away from the sick rage they said they felt from \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/gaza/\">Israel’s ongoing siege in Gaza\u003c/a>, which has killed over 31,000 people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How many of you had friends who were like, ‘I just don’t know how to \u003cem>feel … \u003c/em>it’s so \u003cem>complicated\u003c/em>,’” they asked the crowd. “You know what’s complicated? Polyamorous relationships.”[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Weyam Al-Ghadban, stand-up comedian, Oakland\"]‘I literally almost feel my ancestors — who either were queer in ways we don’t recognize, or couldn’t be queer — heave a sigh of relief … ‘Wow: Look at these fully-expressed human beings.’’[/pullquote]“I think that Muslim communities are generally pretty used to that feeling of ‘bracing,’” said Zara Jamshed, an Emeryville resident who attended the queer Iftar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jamshed also spoke of a “looming ambiance of Islamophobia” amid \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-anti-muslim-incidents-hit-record-high-2023-due-israel-gaza-war-2024-04-02/\">a recent rise in reported anti-Muslim attacks and discrimination within the United States\u003c/a> since the war in Gaza began. In a period where Bay Area Muslims have abstained from food and water from sunrise to sunset, news of what the United Nations has described as an \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/news/item/18-03-2024-famine-in-gaza-is-imminent--with-immediate-and-long-term-health-consequences\">“imminent famine”\u003c/a> in Gaza \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/news/essay/fasting-for-ramadan-while-gaza-goes-hungry\">has been ever-present\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jamshed also spoke of the difficulty of “feeling the visceral hunger of fasting” while “sitting with the knowledge that these folks [in Gaza] are breaking their fast with grass — or barely breaking their fast at all.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Concretely make the community visible’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There isn’t a great deal of data exploring the lives of queer Muslims.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Queer Crescent, an Oakland-born LGBTQ+ organization, embarked on a major new survey, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTfSLzfdouQ\">“Presencing Ourselves,” \u003c/a>which reflects almost 700 respondents nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981888\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981888\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Messages of support for Palestine are taped to the wall at a queer Muslim open-mic event in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>This would be the largest survey of its kind undertaken in the U.S., according to Queer Crescent. Previously, “there was no documentation of actual needs of queer and trans-Muslims,” said Hamzeh Daoud, a Queer Crescent researcher based in Los Angeles. “People were really going off of our oral histories, our experiences of life — which is [still] valid and valuable.”[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Amara Ahmed, researcher, Queer Crescent\"]‘We wanted to do something that would very concretely make the community visible in a way that you can’t just ignore. These people exist.’[/pullquote]Daoud said the project was also aiming to uncover a lack of data seen in previous studies — for example, when Muslim respondents were asked about their opinions on LGBTQ+ rights, but not if they were part of the LGBTQ+ community themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We wanted to do something that would very concretely make the community visible in a way that you can’t just ignore,” said Daoud’s fellow Queer Crescent researcher, Amara Ahmed. “These people exist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the full findings of the Presencing Ourselves survey will be released in June, Queer Crescent has already shared preliminary insights that address housing, medical discrimination and policing.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Among the findings:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>20% of respondents had experienced homelessness\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Nearly 9 in 10 reported some degree of anxiety around government surveillance\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Over 90% of respondents told the group that they believed there was a stigma around conversations about sexual assault in Muslim communities\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>93% said they saw a similar stigma around sexual health and reproductive services within Muslim communities[aside postID=news_11978744 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/03/20231017-Gaza-Vigil-030-JY_qut-1020x680.jpg']In regards to the latter results, Ahmed noted that “queer folks do not feel comfortable” talking about sexual health and identity “within their community” — which she said she finds particularly troubling given that “like other populations, LGBTQ Muslims find out that they’re queer at relatively young ages.”\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>In 2023, a group of \u003ca href=\"https://www.acaciamag.com/articles/navigating-culture-wars\">American and Canadian Muslim scholars published a letter\u003c/a> titled \u003cem>Navigating Differences: Clarifying Sexual and Gender Ethics in Islam,\u003c/em> defending their right to denounce “LGBTQ practices, beliefs and advocacy.” With the letter, these groups were now “basically doing exactly what Christian groups have done,” Ahmed said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A 2017 Pew Research report found that \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/u-s-muslims-more-accepting-homosexuality-white-evangelicals-n788891\">Muslims in America were actually “more accepting of homosexuality” than white Evangelicals\u003c/a>. And historically, as \u003ca href=\"https://www.acaciamag.com/articles/navigating-culture-wars\">queer Muslim scholars have stressed\u003c/a>, diversity of gender and sexuality has been observed in the Muslim world for centuries.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where is belonging?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The researchers say their initial findings also speak to the challenges queer Muslims encounter over exactly which spaces can offer safety and a sense of belonging.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Conservative Muslims will deny queer Muslims exist,” Ahmed said, but “LGBTQ Muslims will sometimes not particularly want to go to secular LGBTQ spaces because there is distrust about Muslims in LGBTQ communities.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981880\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981880\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Naan Biryanis perform a song using traditional instruments to close out the Queer Muslim Open-Mic event at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The early survey results show queer Muslims felt slightly more “belonging” in LGBTQ+ spaces than in Muslim spaces. However, 29% of those surveyed said they didn’t feel a sense of belonging in those secular queer spaces either.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daoud noted that secular queer organizations can “often engage in anti-Muslim racism in the ways that they uphold white supremacy and the ways that they uphold American liberalism.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11969701/this-is-resistance-how-queer-palestinian-artists-and-activists-in-the-bay-area-are-making-themselves-heard\">One example of this, they said, is “pinkwashing”\u003c/a> — described by academic Sa’ed Atshan as “when supporters of the right-wing Israeli state draw attention to a purported advanced LGBTQ rights record in Israel in order to detract attention away from Israel’s gross violations of Palestinian human rights.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981882\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Event attendees were asked to take off their shoes at a queer Muslim open-mic event hosted at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The stances of LGBTQ+ organizations in America \u003ca href=\"https://19thnews.org/2024/03/lgbtq-americans-gaza-israel-protests/\">have also come under extra scrutiny in the past months\u003c/a> — a Human Rights Campaign’s event in New York was \u003ca href=\"https://www.them.us/story/human-rights-campaign-northrop-grumman-gala-protest\">protested for its ties to a weapons manufacturer\u003c/a> — although \u003ca href=\"https://quitpalestine.org/frameline/\">queer activists have been pressuring organizations\u003c/a> about the treatment of Palestinians for years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2007, the group Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism \u003ca href=\"https://quitpalestine.org/frameline/\">launched a campaign\u003c/a> to pressure the San Francisco International LGBT Film Festival to drop its partnership with the Israeli consulate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Queer Crescent researchers hope the insights found in their survey can eventually be used to form key recommendations for secular queer organizations around inclusivity — and cultural competence — when it comes to making LGBTQ+ Muslims feel welcomed and understood in these spaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘People are poets’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As heavy as many of the survey’s preliminary findings have proved when it comes to how safe LGBTQ+ Muslims feel in 2024, the people leading Queer Crescent say they’ve also found much comfort among the responses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daoud said it was especially healing to see how people described their relationship to Islam:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981883\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981883\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An event attendee browses through handmade soaps on sale at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“How they described their belief that being queer and trans is not mutually exclusive to being Muslim,” they said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Respondents also frequently expressed themselves with some sharpness. One response: “I don’t think Allah is going to look you over before heading to Janna [heaven] and be like, ‘My bad, you’re gay.’”[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Zara Jamshed, Emeryville resident\"]‘I asked Allah if I was a mistake, and Allah said no.’[/pullquote]“People already have the power to validate their own experiences,” Daoud said. “People are poets, man.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And this is what makes queer Iftars like the one in Oakland feel special for those who gather in these spaces. Toward the end of the night, Emeryville resident Zara Jamshed read from their poetry book chronicling their pilgrimage to Mecca as a trans and queer person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To the assembled crowd, Jamshed described in verse how they walked in circles around the Ka’bah amid a sea of people:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I asked Allah if I was a mistake, and Allah said no.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Ahead of a major survey released about LGBTQ+ Muslim lives, queer Muslims convened to break their Ramadan fast together in Oakland.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712818018,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":35,"wordCount":1850},"headData":{"title":"‘We Are Sacred’: As Eid Arrives, How Queer Muslims Curate Community | KQED","description":"Ahead of a major survey released about LGBTQ+ Muslim lives, queer Muslims convened to break their Ramadan fast together in Oakland.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"audioUrl":"https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/0af137ef-751e-4b19-a055-aaef00d2d578/ffca7e9f-6831-41c5-bcaf-aaef00f5a073/3193b49e-7764-41cd-8d68-b14d01057ef7/audio.mp3","sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11982529/we-are-sacred-as-eid-arrives-queer-muslims-reflect-on-community","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Under \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11910408/ramadan-begins-on-a-crescent-moon-ushering-in-a-holy-month-of-fasting-and-kindness\">a Ramadan moon\u003c/a> in a downtown Oakland restaurant, a crowd of around 70 people left their shoes at the door and packed inside to break fast together.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979258/ramadan-2024-where-to-join-iftars-and-suhoors-in-the-bay-area\">At this Iftar\u003c/a>, hummus, pita, chicken and rice were passed out, alongside the obligatory chai — as well as vendors selling art, prints and handmade soaps. The main event of the night, however, was the lineup of poetry, music and stand-up comedy, all performed by LGBTQ+ Muslims from around the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘We wanted to hold space for our community in Oakland, and in the Bay Area, to invite queer Muslims to come out and join us — because we are sacred.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Zara Ahmed, Oakland resident","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The queer Iftar took place just ahead of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13955448/where-to-celebrate-eid-al-fitr-in-the-bay-area-from-buffets-to-food-markets\">Eid al-Fitr\u003c/a>, the feast of the breaking of the fast that marks the end of Ramadan. Oakland residents Zara Ahmed and Hafsa Luvsa, who met at past queer \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11979258/ramadan-2024-where-to-join-iftars-and-suhoors-in-the-bay-area\">Iftars in the Bay Area\u003c/a>, organized and emceed this open-mic night. The pair also regularly jam out together in a classical band the Naan Biryanis — a play on “nonbinary.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We wanted to hold space for our community in Oakland, and in the Bay Area, to invite queer Muslims to come out and join us — because we are sacred,” Ahmed said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And some performers that night, like Weyam Al-Ghadban, a stand-up comedian based in Oakland, got up for the first time in front of a queer \u003cem>and \u003c/em>Muslim audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I literally almost feel my ancestors — who either were queer in ways we don’t recognize or couldn’t be queer — heave a sigh of relief,” Al-Ghadban said in an interview. “Like, ‘Wow: Look at these fully-expressed human beings.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Al-Ghadban said it was a relief not to have to explain every nuance of their life to an audience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m Arab. Who’s Arab?” Al-Ghadban asked the audience, which was met with several cheers. “Yeah, it’s a really f—ing hard time to be Arab right now,” they said during their set.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981885\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1333px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981885\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1333\" height=\"2000\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED.jpg 1333w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-20-KQED-1024x1536.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1333px) 100vw, 1333px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Weyam Al-Ghadban performs stand-up comedy at a queer Muslim open-mic event during the holy month of Ramadan at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Al-Ghadban’s situational humor did not shy away from the sick rage they said they felt from \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/gaza/\">Israel’s ongoing siege in Gaza\u003c/a>, which has killed over 31,000 people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How many of you had friends who were like, ‘I just don’t know how to \u003cem>feel … \u003c/em>it’s so \u003cem>complicated\u003c/em>,’” they asked the crowd. “You know what’s complicated? Polyamorous relationships.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘I literally almost feel my ancestors — who either were queer in ways we don’t recognize, or couldn’t be queer — heave a sigh of relief … ‘Wow: Look at these fully-expressed human beings.’’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Weyam Al-Ghadban, stand-up comedian, Oakland","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“I think that Muslim communities are generally pretty used to that feeling of ‘bracing,’” said Zara Jamshed, an Emeryville resident who attended the queer Iftar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jamshed also spoke of a “looming ambiance of Islamophobia” amid \u003ca href=\"https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-anti-muslim-incidents-hit-record-high-2023-due-israel-gaza-war-2024-04-02/\">a recent rise in reported anti-Muslim attacks and discrimination within the United States\u003c/a> since the war in Gaza began. In a period where Bay Area Muslims have abstained from food and water from sunrise to sunset, news of what the United Nations has described as an \u003ca href=\"https://www.who.int/news/item/18-03-2024-famine-in-gaza-is-imminent--with-immediate-and-long-term-health-consequences\">“imminent famine”\u003c/a> in Gaza \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/news/essay/fasting-for-ramadan-while-gaza-goes-hungry\">has been ever-present\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jamshed also spoke of the difficulty of “feeling the visceral hunger of fasting” while “sitting with the knowledge that these folks [in Gaza] are breaking their fast with grass — or barely breaking their fast at all.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Concretely make the community visible’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There isn’t a great deal of data exploring the lives of queer Muslims.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Queer Crescent, an Oakland-born LGBTQ+ organization, embarked on a major new survey, \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTfSLzfdouQ\">“Presencing Ourselves,” \u003c/a>which reflects almost 700 respondents nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981888\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981888\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-28-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Messages of support for Palestine are taped to the wall at a queer Muslim open-mic event in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>This would be the largest survey of its kind undertaken in the U.S., according to Queer Crescent. Previously, “there was no documentation of actual needs of queer and trans-Muslims,” said Hamzeh Daoud, a Queer Crescent researcher based in Los Angeles. “People were really going off of our oral histories, our experiences of life — which is [still] valid and valuable.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘We wanted to do something that would very concretely make the community visible in a way that you can’t just ignore. These people exist.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Amara Ahmed, researcher, Queer Crescent","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Daoud said the project was also aiming to uncover a lack of data seen in previous studies — for example, when Muslim respondents were asked about their opinions on LGBTQ+ rights, but not if they were part of the LGBTQ+ community themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We wanted to do something that would very concretely make the community visible in a way that you can’t just ignore,” said Daoud’s fellow Queer Crescent researcher, Amara Ahmed. “These people exist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the full findings of the Presencing Ourselves survey will be released in June, Queer Crescent has already shared preliminary insights that address housing, medical discrimination and policing.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Among the findings:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>20% of respondents had experienced homelessness\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Nearly 9 in 10 reported some degree of anxiety around government surveillance\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Over 90% of respondents told the group that they believed there was a stigma around conversations about sexual assault in Muslim communities\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>93% said they saw a similar stigma around sexual health and reproductive services within Muslim communities\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11978744","hero":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/03/20231017-Gaza-Vigil-030-JY_qut-1020x680.jpg","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>In regards to the latter results, Ahmed noted that “queer folks do not feel comfortable” talking about sexual health and identity “within their community” — which she said she finds particularly troubling given that “like other populations, LGBTQ Muslims find out that they’re queer at relatively young ages.”\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>In 2023, a group of \u003ca href=\"https://www.acaciamag.com/articles/navigating-culture-wars\">American and Canadian Muslim scholars published a letter\u003c/a> titled \u003cem>Navigating Differences: Clarifying Sexual and Gender Ethics in Islam,\u003c/em> defending their right to denounce “LGBTQ practices, beliefs and advocacy.” With the letter, these groups were now “basically doing exactly what Christian groups have done,” Ahmed said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A 2017 Pew Research report found that \u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/u-s-muslims-more-accepting-homosexuality-white-evangelicals-n788891\">Muslims in America were actually “more accepting of homosexuality” than white Evangelicals\u003c/a>. And historically, as \u003ca href=\"https://www.acaciamag.com/articles/navigating-culture-wars\">queer Muslim scholars have stressed\u003c/a>, diversity of gender and sexuality has been observed in the Muslim world for centuries.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Where is belonging?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The researchers say their initial findings also speak to the challenges queer Muslims encounter over exactly which spaces can offer safety and a sense of belonging.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Conservative Muslims will deny queer Muslims exist,” Ahmed said, but “LGBTQ Muslims will sometimes not particularly want to go to secular LGBTQ spaces because there is distrust about Muslims in LGBTQ communities.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981880\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981880\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-05-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Naan Biryanis perform a song using traditional instruments to close out the Queer Muslim Open-Mic event at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The early survey results show queer Muslims felt slightly more “belonging” in LGBTQ+ spaces than in Muslim spaces. However, 29% of those surveyed said they didn’t feel a sense of belonging in those secular queer spaces either.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daoud noted that secular queer organizations can “often engage in anti-Muslim racism in the ways that they uphold white supremacy and the ways that they uphold American liberalism.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11969701/this-is-resistance-how-queer-palestinian-artists-and-activists-in-the-bay-area-are-making-themselves-heard\">One example of this, they said, is “pinkwashing”\u003c/a> — described by academic Sa’ed Atshan as “when supporters of the right-wing Israeli state draw attention to a purported advanced LGBTQ rights record in Israel in order to detract attention away from Israel’s gross violations of Palestinian human rights.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981882\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981882\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-16-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Event attendees were asked to take off their shoes at a queer Muslim open-mic event hosted at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The stances of LGBTQ+ organizations in America \u003ca href=\"https://19thnews.org/2024/03/lgbtq-americans-gaza-israel-protests/\">have also come under extra scrutiny in the past months\u003c/a> — a Human Rights Campaign’s event in New York was \u003ca href=\"https://www.them.us/story/human-rights-campaign-northrop-grumman-gala-protest\">protested for its ties to a weapons manufacturer\u003c/a> — although \u003ca href=\"https://quitpalestine.org/frameline/\">queer activists have been pressuring organizations\u003c/a> about the treatment of Palestinians for years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2007, the group Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism \u003ca href=\"https://quitpalestine.org/frameline/\">launched a campaign\u003c/a> to pressure the San Francisco International LGBT Film Festival to drop its partnership with the Israeli consulate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Queer Crescent researchers hope the insights found in their survey can eventually be used to form key recommendations for secular queer organizations around inclusivity — and cultural competence — when it comes to making LGBTQ+ Muslims feel welcomed and understood in these spaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘People are poets’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As heavy as many of the survey’s preliminary findings have proved when it comes to how safe LGBTQ+ Muslims feel in 2024, the people leading Queer Crescent say they’ve also found much comfort among the responses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Daoud said it was especially healing to see how people described their relationship to Islam:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11981883\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11981883\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240330-QUEER-RAMADAN-ML-17-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An event attendee browses through handmade soaps on sale at Understory in Oakland, California, on March 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Marissa Leshnov/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“How they described their belief that being queer and trans is not mutually exclusive to being Muslim,” they said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Respondents also frequently expressed themselves with some sharpness. One response: “I don’t think Allah is going to look you over before heading to Janna [heaven] and be like, ‘My bad, you’re gay.’”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘I asked Allah if I was a mistake, and Allah said no.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Zara Jamshed, Emeryville resident","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“People already have the power to validate their own experiences,” Daoud said. “People are poets, man.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And this is what makes queer Iftars like the one in Oakland feel special for those who gather in these spaces. Toward the end of the night, Emeryville resident Zara Jamshed read from their poetry book chronicling their pilgrimage to Mecca as a trans and queer person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To the assembled crowd, Jamshed described in verse how they walked in circles around the Ka’bah amid a sea of people:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I asked Allah if I was a mistake, and Allah said no.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982529/we-are-sacred-as-eid-arrives-queer-muslims-reflect-on-community","authors":["11867"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_22960","news_22973","news_27987","news_20004","news_4272","news_1767"],"featImg":"news_11981886","label":"news"},"news_11982329":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11982329","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11982329","found":true},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"tenderloins-troubles-take-center-stage-in-city-elections","title":"Tenderloin’s Troubles Take Center Stage in City Elections","publishDate":1712746831,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Tenderloin’s Troubles Take Center Stage in City Elections | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>Nikysha Parker-Dalton walks to work through the Tenderloin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The blocks between her apartment and the Glide Foundation, where she’s a community advocate, are strewn with crushed cardboard boxes, shopping bags and piles of feces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One morning last week, a KQED reporter and photographer walked the route Parker-Dalton takes. A cluster of tents, tarps and bicycles in front of the Cutting Ball Theater obstructed most of the sidewalk on Taylor Street, and on Turk Street, a woman sat on the curb wrapped in a plastic trash bag. Two blocks past Glide, a man was splayed out on Ellis Street with his arms above his head and his feet dangling over the curb.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Freddy Martin, congregational life and community engagement manager, Glide Memorial Church\"]‘We need to be dealing with the trauma and issues people have that perpetuate the conditions they struggle with.’[/pullquote]“You live with the lack of cleanliness of the streets — the drug paraphernalia and usage openly, the tents that make it so you can’t even walk,” Parker-Dalton told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Tenderloin’s troubles are at the center of this year’s city elections. The poor street conditions, exacerbated by San Francisco’s yearslong battle to support unhoused residents while simultaneously curtailing drug dealing and drug overdoses, have led the neighborhood’s small businesses to struggle. Some residents and tourists feel unsafe on the neighborhood’s streets. Others who work and live in the area, like Parker-Dalton, just want the city to provide solutions for those stuck between opioid addiction and homelessness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982333\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"Two men sitting on the sidewalk while another man on the left wearing a neon yellow and orange jacket stands near parked cars on the street.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People sit on the sidewalk in the Tenderloin on April 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Two weeks ago, two mayoral candidates announced emergency declarations around fentanyl. Daniel Lurie’s plan would give people on the street a choice: enter treatment or face arrest. A day after Lurie, Mark Farrell released a similar plan. If elected, Farrell would request more California Army National Guard soldiers in the Tenderloin and South of Market. The plans are comparable to Mayor London Breed’s 2021 Tenderloin state of emergency, which led to the creation of the Tenderloin Center, a place for drug users to connect with harm reduction services.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The city’s drug epidemic worsened despite Breed’s declaration.[aside postID=\"news_11979508,news_11972898,news_11975156\" label=\"Related Stories\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Francisco recorded 806 drug overdose deaths in 2023, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11972898/2023-was-san-franciscos-deadliest-year-for-drug-overdoses-new-data-confirms\">deadliest year on record\u003c/a>. About 80% of the deaths were fentanyl-related. During 2022’s redistricting, the Tenderloin was added to District 5, which now includes Japantown, Western Addition and Haight Ashbury. The overdose data and discontent over street conditions make Dean Preston, the district representative on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, vulnerable in his November reelection bid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Preston, the board’s only Democratic Socialist who said he is focused on tenants rights and alternatives to policing, has two opponents. Bilal Mahmood, a tech entrepreneur, said he wants to digitize City Hall to reduce red tape. Autumn Looijen, who co-launched San Francisco’s school board recall in 2022, told KQED she will concentrate on thwarting the fentanyl crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Preston and his challengers squabble over ideological differences, residents and business owners interviewed for this story said they want elected officials to take a new approach to cleaning up the Tenderloin’s streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Freddy Martin, a congregational life and community engagement manager at Glide, has lived in the Tenderloin for more than 20 years. He said getting people into housing should be a priority, but making sure they have access to wraparound mental health and addiction resources is key to keeping them off of the streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need to be dealing with the trauma and issues people have that perpetuate the conditions they struggle with,” Martin said. “Not having their mental health issues addressed or access to healthcare is part of the problem.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982331\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982331\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"A tourist bus, a person on a bike and a vehicle drive down a street with murals painted on the sides of buildings.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A tourist bus passes through the Tenderloin on April 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>According to Martin, elected officials should be asking Tenderloin community members what housing and drug rehabilitation services they need if they want to see a positive, permanent change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These issues can’t be solved in the chambers in City Hall or in a meeting once a week,” he said. “You have to go to where people are at and meet them at that level.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Filling vacant supportive housing units is a solution, Martin believes. According to the Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing, \u003ca href=\"https://hsh.sfgov.org/about/research-and-reports/hrs-data/vacancies-in-permanent-supportive-housing/\">there are more than 600 vacancies\u003c/a>. This is down from just over 1,000 in September when Preston \u003ca href=\"https://sfgov.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=12321199&GUID=F2C16A39-FA19-4503-9090-3F024FECA13B\">passed a resolution\u003c/a> urging HSH to reduce the number of vacant units by 50% in 90 days. As of this month, about \u003ca href=\"https://hsh.sfgov.org/about/research-and-reports/hrs-data/vacancies-in-permanent-supportive-housing/\">36% of the vacancies have been filled\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have the homes; we have a lot of the resources. We just need to be more aggressive and bold,” said Preston, who has opposed Breed’s drug and homelessness policies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahmood, who worked as a policy analyst in the Obama Administration, believes it’s too difficult for people to acquire supportive housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“One of the reasons people are in the streets is because it’s easier to sleep in a tent than it is to apply to get a bed,” he told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahmood, who rents in the Tenderloin, said he would advocate for a technology-based strategy to track homeless people, identify their health status and get them into housing. He has argued that the city’s existing tracking system is ineffective and outdated. At 10:30 a.m. today, he is planning to unveil his plan to end open-air drug markets at the corner of Market and Seventh streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Parker-Dalton, 39, said that the city needs to designate spaces for those who choose not to be housed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You have people that don’t want to be inside,” the decadelong Tenderloin resident said. “They don’t want to be confined. They have been on the streets for as long as they can remember.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m not necessarily saying put them in housing, but I believe safe camping sites could be a solution.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Martin said harm reduction strategies are necessary to address the fentanyl crisis. He would like to see the Tenderloin Center, which closed in December 2022, return. The site was part of Breed’s plan to reduce overdose deaths and increase access to addiction services. According to city data, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sf.gov/data/reducing-fatal-and-non-fatal-overdoses-tenderloin#overdose-reversals-by-emergency-medical-services\">333 overdoses were reversed\u003c/a> at the Tenderloin Center. Critics of the site, including Farrell, said it became a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11934281/heartbroken-visitors-staff-of-shuttered-tenderloin-center-left-reeling-amid-sfs-ongoing-overdose-crisis\">safe consumption area\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982336\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982336\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"A bicyclist rides in the street by parked cars and stores.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A bicyclist rides by the Tilted Brim in the Tenderloin on April 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Justin Bautista owns Tilted Brim, a clothing store on Larkin Street. He said when he moved into the space in 2016, it was a thriving commercial corridor. Now, there are empty storefronts on his block. Bautista said groups like the Tenderloin Community Benefit District’s Clean Team remove debris and respond to 311 calls, but their efforts aren’t enough.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m in Little Saigon, and we have some of the best restaurants in the city,” Bautista said. “People would come from all over the city to eat at these restaurants. People still do, but it’s in a much fewer number.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you come to the Tenderloin, the optics are very bad. It’s heartbreaking, and it’s hard to live with.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One solution Looijen has suggested is designating areas around businesses where unhoused people cannot congregate. She thinks this will encourage residents and tourists to visit the neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982334\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982334\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"A U-Haul van parked in front of a home.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A moving van is parked outside of a home on Haight Street on April 4, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We should have a zone where people can go to the amazing restaurants in Little Saigon without being afraid that they’re going to get hurt on the way there,” she told KQED. “It doesn’t solve the problem of crime existing, but I do think it makes it so that people can get to the services in their neighborhood.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Parker-Dalton isn’t sure clearing encampments and restricting where people can gather will do much to rehabilitate the neighborhood. She pointed to the skate park that opened in U.N. Plaza in November. Many people who used to hang around the plaza moved down to Seventh Street, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People migrate to other streets,” she said. “When you have a heavy police presence on one block, people move to another.”\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Drug overdoses and discontent over street conditions make Dean Preston, the district representative on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, vulnerable in his November reelection bid. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712770986,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":32,"wordCount":1470},"headData":{"title":"Tenderloin’s Troubles Take Center Stage in City Elections | KQED","description":"Drug overdoses and discontent over street conditions make Dean Preston, the district representative on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, vulnerable in his November reelection bid. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"sticky":false,"nprByline":"Katie DeBenedetti","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11982329/tenderloins-troubles-take-center-stage-in-city-elections","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Nikysha Parker-Dalton walks to work through the Tenderloin.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The blocks between her apartment and the Glide Foundation, where she’s a community advocate, are strewn with crushed cardboard boxes, shopping bags and piles of feces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One morning last week, a KQED reporter and photographer walked the route Parker-Dalton takes. A cluster of tents, tarps and bicycles in front of the Cutting Ball Theater obstructed most of the sidewalk on Taylor Street, and on Turk Street, a woman sat on the curb wrapped in a plastic trash bag. Two blocks past Glide, a man was splayed out on Ellis Street with his arms above his head and his feet dangling over the curb.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘We need to be dealing with the trauma and issues people have that perpetuate the conditions they struggle with.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"size":"medium","align":"right","citation":"Freddy Martin, congregational life and community engagement manager, Glide Memorial Church","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“You live with the lack of cleanliness of the streets — the drug paraphernalia and usage openly, the tents that make it so you can’t even walk,” Parker-Dalton told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Tenderloin’s troubles are at the center of this year’s city elections. The poor street conditions, exacerbated by San Francisco’s yearslong battle to support unhoused residents while simultaneously curtailing drug dealing and drug overdoses, have led the neighborhood’s small businesses to struggle. Some residents and tourists feel unsafe on the neighborhood’s streets. Others who work and live in the area, like Parker-Dalton, just want the city to provide solutions for those stuck between opioid addiction and homelessness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982333\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982333\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"Two men sitting on the sidewalk while another man on the left wearing a neon yellow and orange jacket stands near parked cars on the street.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-006-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People sit on the sidewalk in the Tenderloin on April 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Two weeks ago, two mayoral candidates announced emergency declarations around fentanyl. Daniel Lurie’s plan would give people on the street a choice: enter treatment or face arrest. A day after Lurie, Mark Farrell released a similar plan. If elected, Farrell would request more California Army National Guard soldiers in the Tenderloin and South of Market. The plans are comparable to Mayor London Breed’s 2021 Tenderloin state of emergency, which led to the creation of the Tenderloin Center, a place for drug users to connect with harm reduction services.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The city’s drug epidemic worsened despite Breed’s declaration.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"news_11979508,news_11972898,news_11975156","label":"Related Stories "},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>San Francisco recorded 806 drug overdose deaths in 2023, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11972898/2023-was-san-franciscos-deadliest-year-for-drug-overdoses-new-data-confirms\">deadliest year on record\u003c/a>. About 80% of the deaths were fentanyl-related. During 2022’s redistricting, the Tenderloin was added to District 5, which now includes Japantown, Western Addition and Haight Ashbury. The overdose data and discontent over street conditions make Dean Preston, the district representative on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, vulnerable in his November reelection bid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Preston, the board’s only Democratic Socialist who said he is focused on tenants rights and alternatives to policing, has two opponents. Bilal Mahmood, a tech entrepreneur, said he wants to digitize City Hall to reduce red tape. Autumn Looijen, who co-launched San Francisco’s school board recall in 2022, told KQED she will concentrate on thwarting the fentanyl crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Preston and his challengers squabble over ideological differences, residents and business owners interviewed for this story said they want elected officials to take a new approach to cleaning up the Tenderloin’s streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Freddy Martin, a congregational life and community engagement manager at Glide, has lived in the Tenderloin for more than 20 years. He said getting people into housing should be a priority, but making sure they have access to wraparound mental health and addiction resources is key to keeping them off of the streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need to be dealing with the trauma and issues people have that perpetuate the conditions they struggle with,” Martin said. “Not having their mental health issues addressed or access to healthcare is part of the problem.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982331\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982331\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"A tourist bus, a person on a bike and a vehicle drive down a street with murals painted on the sides of buildings.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A tourist bus passes through the Tenderloin on April 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>According to Martin, elected officials should be asking Tenderloin community members what housing and drug rehabilitation services they need if they want to see a positive, permanent change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These issues can’t be solved in the chambers in City Hall or in a meeting once a week,” he said. “You have to go to where people are at and meet them at that level.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Filling vacant supportive housing units is a solution, Martin believes. According to the Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing, \u003ca href=\"https://hsh.sfgov.org/about/research-and-reports/hrs-data/vacancies-in-permanent-supportive-housing/\">there are more than 600 vacancies\u003c/a>. This is down from just over 1,000 in September when Preston \u003ca href=\"https://sfgov.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=12321199&GUID=F2C16A39-FA19-4503-9090-3F024FECA13B\">passed a resolution\u003c/a> urging HSH to reduce the number of vacant units by 50% in 90 days. As of this month, about \u003ca href=\"https://hsh.sfgov.org/about/research-and-reports/hrs-data/vacancies-in-permanent-supportive-housing/\">36% of the vacancies have been filled\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have the homes; we have a lot of the resources. We just need to be more aggressive and bold,” said Preston, who has opposed Breed’s drug and homelessness policies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahmood, who worked as a policy analyst in the Obama Administration, believes it’s too difficult for people to acquire supportive housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“One of the reasons people are in the streets is because it’s easier to sleep in a tent than it is to apply to get a bed,” he told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mahmood, who rents in the Tenderloin, said he would advocate for a technology-based strategy to track homeless people, identify their health status and get them into housing. He has argued that the city’s existing tracking system is ineffective and outdated. At 10:30 a.m. today, he is planning to unveil his plan to end open-air drug markets at the corner of Market and Seventh streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Parker-Dalton, 39, said that the city needs to designate spaces for those who choose not to be housed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You have people that don’t want to be inside,” the decadelong Tenderloin resident said. “They don’t want to be confined. They have been on the streets for as long as they can remember.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m not necessarily saying put them in housing, but I believe safe camping sites could be a solution.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Martin said harm reduction strategies are necessary to address the fentanyl crisis. He would like to see the Tenderloin Center, which closed in December 2022, return. The site was part of Breed’s plan to reduce overdose deaths and increase access to addiction services. According to city data, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sf.gov/data/reducing-fatal-and-non-fatal-overdoses-tenderloin#overdose-reversals-by-emergency-medical-services\">333 overdoses were reversed\u003c/a> at the Tenderloin Center. Critics of the site, including Farrell, said it became a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11934281/heartbroken-visitors-staff-of-shuttered-tenderloin-center-left-reeling-amid-sfs-ongoing-overdose-crisis\">safe consumption area\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982336\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982336\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"A bicyclist rides in the street by parked cars and stores.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240405-District5BOSRedistricting-014-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A bicyclist rides by the Tilted Brim in the Tenderloin on April 5, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Justin Bautista owns Tilted Brim, a clothing store on Larkin Street. He said when he moved into the space in 2016, it was a thriving commercial corridor. Now, there are empty storefronts on his block. Bautista said groups like the Tenderloin Community Benefit District’s Clean Team remove debris and respond to 311 calls, but their efforts aren’t enough.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m in Little Saigon, and we have some of the best restaurants in the city,” Bautista said. “People would come from all over the city to eat at these restaurants. People still do, but it’s in a much fewer number.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you come to the Tenderloin, the optics are very bad. It’s heartbreaking, and it’s hard to live with.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One solution Looijen has suggested is designating areas around businesses where unhoused people cannot congregate. She thinks this will encourage residents and tourists to visit the neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11982334\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11982334\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"A U-Haul van parked in front of a home.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/240404-District5BOSRedistricting-001-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A moving van is parked outside of a home on Haight Street on April 4, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We should have a zone where people can go to the amazing restaurants in Little Saigon without being afraid that they’re going to get hurt on the way there,” she told KQED. “It doesn’t solve the problem of crime existing, but I do think it makes it so that people can get to the services in their neighborhood.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Parker-Dalton isn’t sure clearing encampments and restricting where people can gather will do much to rehabilitate the neighborhood. She pointed to the skate park that opened in U.N. Plaza in November. Many people who used to hang around the plaza moved down to Seventh Street, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People migrate to other streets,” she said. “When you have a heavy police presence on one block, people move to another.”\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982329/tenderloins-troubles-take-center-stage-in-city-elections","authors":["byline_news_11982329"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_27045","news_26003","news_4020","news_17968","news_38","news_30889","news_3181"],"featImg":"news_11982332","label":"news"},"forum_2010101905330":{"type":"posts","id":"forum_2010101905330","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"forum","id":"2010101905330","found":true},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"legendary-stanford-womens-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-announces-retirement","title":"Legendary Stanford Women’s Basketball Coach Tara VanDerveer Announces Retirement","publishDate":1712790079,"format":"audio","headTitle":"Legendary Stanford Women’s Basketball Coach Tara VanDerveer Announces Retirement | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"forum"},"content":"\u003cp>Stanford women’s basketball coach, Tara VanDerveer – the winningest coach in the history of college basketball – has announced she’s retiring after 45 years leading the epic team. The news comes after a breakthrough NCAA women’s basketball season in which the women’s championship game drew a bigger television audience than the men’s title game for the first time. We’ll talk about VanDerveer’s achievements and legacy and her role in the ascension of women’s basketball.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":null,"status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712861552,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":3,"wordCount":92},"headData":{"title":"Legendary Stanford Women’s Basketball Coach Tara VanDerveer Announces Retirement | KQED","description":"Stanford women’s basketball coach, Tara VanDerveer – the winningest coach in the history of college basketball – has announced she’s retiring after 45 years leading the epic team. 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She was a four-year starter at Stanford from 1987-90, leading the team to its first national championship in 1990."},{"name":"Charmin Smith","bio":"head coach, University of California Berkeley's women's basketball team; former player, Stanford women’s basketball team - She was a key part of the team's three NCAA Final Four Appearances and three Pac-10 Championships between 1995 to 1997. She is also a former member of the WNBA and ABL."},{"name":"Val Whiting","bio":"player, Stanford women's basketball team from 1989-93 - She was part of teams that won two NCAA championships and went to the Final Four three years. She was also named Pac-10 Women's Basketball Player of the Year two years in a row."}],"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/forum/2010101905330/legendary-stanford-womens-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-announces-retirement","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Stanford women’s basketball coach, Tara VanDerveer – the winningest coach in the history of college basketball – has announced she’s retiring after 45 years leading the epic team. The news comes after a breakthrough NCAA women’s basketball season in which the women’s championship game drew a bigger television audience than the men’s title game for the first time. We’ll talk about VanDerveer’s achievements and legacy and her role in the ascension of women’s basketball.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/forum/2010101905330/legendary-stanford-womens-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-announces-retirement","authors":["11757"],"categories":["forum_165"],"featImg":"forum_2010101905340","label":"forum"},"news_11982697":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11982697","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11982697","found":true},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"confrontation-at-uc-berkeley-law-school-deans-home-highlights-campus-tensions","title":"Confrontation at UC Berkeley Law School Dean's Home Highlights Campus Tensions","publishDate":1712874629,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Confrontation at UC Berkeley Law School Dean’s Home Highlights Campus Tensions | KQED","labelTerm":{"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>A UC Berkeley Muslim law student plans to file a discrimination complaint against the university after accusing a law professor of physically assaulting her as she attempted to protest a dinner event held for graduating students at the home of the law school’s dean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday evening, several dozen law students attended the first of three dinners hosted by Dean Erwin Chemerinsky and his wife, law professor Catherine Fisk, in the backyard garden of the couple’s Oakland home in what was intended to be a celebration of the students’ final weeks of law school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As captured in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/C5lAhZ0r-kF/\">now-viral video of the incident\u003c/a>, third-year law student Malak Afaneh, who is Palestinian American, stands before her classmates on the garden steps, wearing a red hijab and black and white keffiyeh around her shoulders. Speaking into a microphone, she begins with a traditional Muslim greeting of peace to mark the final night of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Malak Afaneh, third-year law student\"]‘No one thought that this woman would put her hands on me. … I was attacked because I was simply a Muslim woman wearing a hijab and a keffiyeh in her home.’[/pullquote]As she proceeds, Chemerinsky angrily approaches her, repeatedly demanding she leave his home. Fisk then comes from behind her, grabs the microphone with one hand, puts her other arm around Afaneh’s shoulders, and touches her hijab.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fisk shouts, “This is not your house. It is my house. And I want you to leave.” After Afaneh calmly argues that she has the First Amendment right to speak, Fisk threatens to call the police but then says, “I don’t prefer to,” and tries again to pull the microphone away from Afaneh, briefly pulling her up several steps.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The nearly three-minute confrontation ends after Afaneh threatens legal action, and she and nine other students file out of the yard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the students, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal, told KQED that as the group walked out, Chemerinsky said they had violated the student code of conduct and threatened to report them all to the state bar association.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The incident is the latest flare-up in a long succession of heated protests and confrontations on UC Berkeley’s campus, which has been a hotbed of student activism and protests since the Israel-Hamas war erupted more than six months ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afaneh said the incident had shaken her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“No one thought that this woman would put her hands on me,” she told KQED. “I didn’t expect this reaction, of course. [And] I didn’t expect it when it happened. I didn’t even get the chance to talk about Palestine or UC complicity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afaneh’s group, Law Students for Justice in Palestine (LSJP), has long demanded that UC Berkeley divest from manufacturing companies that supply weapons to Israel and accuses the school of being complicit in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/4/7/6-months-of-devastation-in-gaza-war-with-no-sign-of-an-end\">widespread destruction of Gaza\u003c/a>, where more than 33,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli attacks since October, according to Gaza officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The group called on their peers to boycott the dinners at the couple’s house, accusing Chemerinsky of aligning with Zionist causes and repeatedly trying to silence pro-Palestinian student activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He’s provided no support for Palestinian voices, no support for Muslims, but is very staunchly Zionist,” Afaneh said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But she argues that Fisk’s aggressive response to her on Tuesday had little to do with her activism but was instead rooted in Islamophobia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was not attacked because I was speaking about Palestine,” she said. “Quite to the contrary, I was attacked because I was simply a Muslim woman wearing a hijab and a keffiyeh in her home.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following the altercation, LSJP \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/C5m4-4gro1_/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng%3D%3D\">released a statement\u003c/a> demanding that Chemerinsky and Fisk resign and that UC Berkeley divest from the arms manufacturers and create a Palestine Studies program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UC Berkeley, however, said it is standing behind the dean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Erwin Chemerinsky, dean, UC Berkeley School of Law\"]‘My house is not government property. It’s not on public property. … And the one thing that’s clear is there is no First Amendment right to use somebody else’s house for free speech messages.’[/pullquote]“I am appalled and deeply disturbed by what occurred at Dean Chemerinsky’s home last night,” Chancellor Carol Christ said in a statement on Wednesday. “I have been in touch with him to offer my support and sympathy. While our support for free speech is unwavering, we cannot condone using a social occasion at a person’s private residence as a platform for protest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his own statement released the morning after the incident, Chemerinsky said he was “enormously sad that we have students who are so rude as to come into my home, in my backyard, and use this social occasion for their political agenda.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But he said he and Fisk would not be intimidated and still planned to host the additional scheduled student dinners at their home, albeit with security measures in place. (An attendee of Wednesday’s dinner said the event transpired without incident.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chemerinsky, who is Jewish, said a poster that Afaneh’s group distributed before the event, with a caricature of him holding a bloody knife and fork and the words “No dinner with Zionist Chem while Gaza starves,” was blatantly antisemitic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A First Amendment legal expert, Chemerinsky argued that free speech rights do not extend to a person’s home, insisting that he and Fisk were completely justified in preventing Afaneh from speaking out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"Related Stories\" postID=\"news_11978998,news_11979412,news_11969165\"]“My house is not government property. It’s not on public property. It’s not paid for by the University of California,” he told KQED on Wednesday. “And the one thing that’s clear is there is no First Amendment right to use somebody else’s house for free speech messages.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chemerinsky \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-03/a-divide-over-the-israel-hamas-war-flares-at-uc-berkeley-law\">drew sharp criticism\u003c/a> from many students and alumni in November after he defended a law school professor who published an opinion piece in \u003cem>The\u003c/em> \u003cem>Wall Street Journal\u003c/em> titled, “Don’t Hire My Anti-Semitic Law Students.” The professor, he argued, was entitled to exercise his free speech, even if people found it “deeply offensive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while he knew some students were calling to boycott his dinner, Chemerinsky said he never expected a confrontation like this in his home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I never imagined my wife and I opening our home for dinners to students would turn into something divisive,” he said. “I never imagined the students would post such an antisemitic image of me on bulletin boards throughout the law school. And I was shocked that they would come into my house and into the backyard and then engage in disruption.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Most of all,” he added, “I’m just tremendously saddened by this.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The incident is the latest flare-up in a long succession of heated protests and confrontations on UC Berkeley’s campus, which has been a hotbed of student activism and protests since the Israel-Hamas war erupted more than six months ago.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712878063,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":1222},"headData":{"title":"Confrontation at UC Berkeley Law School Dean's Home Highlights Campus Tensions | KQED","description":"The incident is the latest flare-up in a long succession of heated protests and confrontations on UC Berkeley’s campus, which has been a hotbed of student activism and protests since the Israel-Hamas war erupted more than six months ago.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"sticky":false,"excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11982697/confrontation-at-uc-berkeley-law-school-deans-home-highlights-campus-tensions","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A UC Berkeley Muslim law student plans to file a discrimination complaint against the university after accusing a law professor of physically assaulting her as she attempted to protest a dinner event held for graduating students at the home of the law school’s dean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday evening, several dozen law students attended the first of three dinners hosted by Dean Erwin Chemerinsky and his wife, law professor Catherine Fisk, in the backyard garden of the couple’s Oakland home in what was intended to be a celebration of the students’ final weeks of law school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As captured in a \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/C5lAhZ0r-kF/\">now-viral video of the incident\u003c/a>, third-year law student Malak Afaneh, who is Palestinian American, stands before her classmates on the garden steps, wearing a red hijab and black and white keffiyeh around her shoulders. Speaking into a microphone, she begins with a traditional Muslim greeting of peace to mark the final night of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘No one thought that this woman would put her hands on me. … I was attacked because I was simply a Muslim woman wearing a hijab and a keffiyeh in her home.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Malak Afaneh, third-year law student","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>As she proceeds, Chemerinsky angrily approaches her, repeatedly demanding she leave his home. Fisk then comes from behind her, grabs the microphone with one hand, puts her other arm around Afaneh’s shoulders, and touches her hijab.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fisk shouts, “This is not your house. It is my house. And I want you to leave.” After Afaneh calmly argues that she has the First Amendment right to speak, Fisk threatens to call the police but then says, “I don’t prefer to,” and tries again to pull the microphone away from Afaneh, briefly pulling her up several steps.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The nearly three-minute confrontation ends after Afaneh threatens legal action, and she and nine other students file out of the yard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the students, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal, told KQED that as the group walked out, Chemerinsky said they had violated the student code of conduct and threatened to report them all to the state bar association.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The incident is the latest flare-up in a long succession of heated protests and confrontations on UC Berkeley’s campus, which has been a hotbed of student activism and protests since the Israel-Hamas war erupted more than six months ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afaneh said the incident had shaken her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“No one thought that this woman would put her hands on me,” she told KQED. “I didn’t expect this reaction, of course. [And] I didn’t expect it when it happened. I didn’t even get the chance to talk about Palestine or UC complicity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Afaneh’s group, Law Students for Justice in Palestine (LSJP), has long demanded that UC Berkeley divest from manufacturing companies that supply weapons to Israel and accuses the school of being complicit in the \u003ca href=\"https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/4/7/6-months-of-devastation-in-gaza-war-with-no-sign-of-an-end\">widespread destruction of Gaza\u003c/a>, where more than 33,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli attacks since October, according to Gaza officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The group called on their peers to boycott the dinners at the couple’s house, accusing Chemerinsky of aligning with Zionist causes and repeatedly trying to silence pro-Palestinian student activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He’s provided no support for Palestinian voices, no support for Muslims, but is very staunchly Zionist,” Afaneh said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But she argues that Fisk’s aggressive response to her on Tuesday had little to do with her activism but was instead rooted in Islamophobia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was not attacked because I was speaking about Palestine,” she said. “Quite to the contrary, I was attacked because I was simply a Muslim woman wearing a hijab and a keffiyeh in her home.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following the altercation, LSJP \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/C5m4-4gro1_/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng%3D%3D\">released a statement\u003c/a> demanding that Chemerinsky and Fisk resign and that UC Berkeley divest from the arms manufacturers and create a Palestine Studies program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UC Berkeley, however, said it is standing behind the dean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"‘My house is not government property. It’s not on public property. … And the one thing that’s clear is there is no First Amendment right to use somebody else’s house for free speech messages.’","name":"pullquote","attributes":{"named":{"align":"right","size":"medium","citation":"Erwin Chemerinsky, dean, UC Berkeley School of Law","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“I am appalled and deeply disturbed by what occurred at Dean Chemerinsky’s home last night,” Chancellor Carol Christ said in a statement on Wednesday. “I have been in touch with him to offer my support and sympathy. While our support for free speech is unwavering, we cannot condone using a social occasion at a person’s private residence as a platform for protest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his own statement released the morning after the incident, Chemerinsky said he was “enormously sad that we have students who are so rude as to come into my home, in my backyard, and use this social occasion for their political agenda.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But he said he and Fisk would not be intimidated and still planned to host the additional scheduled student dinners at their home, albeit with security measures in place. (An attendee of Wednesday’s dinner said the event transpired without incident.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chemerinsky, who is Jewish, said a poster that Afaneh’s group distributed before the event, with a caricature of him holding a bloody knife and fork and the words “No dinner with Zionist Chem while Gaza starves,” was blatantly antisemitic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A First Amendment legal expert, Chemerinsky argued that free speech rights do not extend to a person’s home, insisting that he and Fisk were completely justified in preventing Afaneh from speaking out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"label":"Related Stories ","postid":"news_11978998,news_11979412,news_11969165"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“My house is not government property. It’s not on public property. It’s not paid for by the University of California,” he told KQED on Wednesday. “And the one thing that’s clear is there is no First Amendment right to use somebody else’s house for free speech messages.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Chemerinsky \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-03/a-divide-over-the-israel-hamas-war-flares-at-uc-berkeley-law\">drew sharp criticism\u003c/a> from many students and alumni in November after he defended a law school professor who published an opinion piece in \u003cem>The\u003c/em> \u003cem>Wall Street Journal\u003c/em> titled, “Don’t Hire My Anti-Semitic Law Students.” The professor, he argued, was entitled to exercise his free speech, even if people found it “deeply offensive.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And while he knew some students were calling to boycott his dinner, Chemerinsky said he never expected a confrontation like this in his home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I never imagined my wife and I opening our home for dinners to students would turn into something divisive,” he said. “I never imagined the students would post such an antisemitic image of me on bulletin boards throughout the law school. And I was shocked that they would come into my house and into the backyard and then engage in disruption.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Most of all,” he added, “I’m just tremendously saddened by this.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11982697/confrontation-at-uc-berkeley-law-school-deans-home-highlights-campus-tensions","authors":["1263"],"categories":["news_18540","news_8"],"tags":["news_27626","news_33333","news_17597"],"featImg":"news_11982736","label":"news"},"news_11644927":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11644927","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11644927","found":true},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"eucalyptus-how-californias-most-hated-tree-took-root-2","title":"Eucalyptus: How California's Most Hated Tree Took Root","publishDate":1712829645,"format":"audio","headTitle":"Eucalyptus: How California’s Most Hated Tree Took Root | KQED","labelTerm":{},"content":"\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a> \u003cem>This article was first published in February 1, 2018, and was updated on April 11, 2024. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Depending on whom you ask, eucalyptus trees are either an icon in California or a fire-prone scourge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Curious heard from two hikers wanting to know about the past and future of California’s eucalyptus trees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How did all of this eucalyptus get to the Bay Area?” asked Christian Wagner, a tech worker who lives in Pleasanton.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I know that they’re invasive, so what do we do about that? Are they worth keeping around? Or do we need to get rid of them and replace them with something else?” wondered Julie Bergen, an occupational therapist from Alameda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reaching heights of more than 100 feet, the main kind of eucalyptus you’re likely to see here is Tasmanian blue gum, eucalyptus globulus. They feature sickle-shaped leaves hanging from high branches, and deciduous bark that is forever peeling from their shaggy trunks. Some people experience the smell of eucalyptus as medicinal; others say the trees just smell like California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647124\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11647124 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The trees are deciduous, shedding their bark every year.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The trees are deciduous, shedding their bark every year. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>So how did eucalyptus trees get here?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“They came here as envelopes of seeds on boats coming to California in the 1850s,” explains Jared Farmer, author of \u003ca href=\"https://jaredfarmer.net/books/trees-in-paradise/\">“Trees In Paradise: A California History.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the Gold Rush, Australians were among the throngs flocking to a place where wood was in short supply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This was the era of wood power,” Farmer says. “Wood was used for almost everything. For energy, of course, but also for building every city, for moving things around, all the things where today we use concrete and plastic and steel.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Besides the practical need to plant more trees, settlers who were used to dense forests also felt that the lack of trees in California’s grassy, marshy, scrubby landscape made it feel incomplete. So within a few years, nurseries in San Francisco were selling young eucalyptus grown from seed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trees grew remarkably quickly here, even in poor soil.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In an average rainfall year here in California, these trees probably put on 4 to 6 feet in height and maybe, in their early growth years, a half-inch to an inch in diameter,” says Joe McBride, a UC Berkeley professor emeritus of landscape architecture and environmental planning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Beyond the drive to change the landscape and provide firewood, Californians also planted eucalyptus (mainly blue gum) to serve as windbreaks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647125\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11647125 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Eucalyptus trees grow fast, sometimes putting on four to six feet in height in a single year.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Eucalyptus trees grow fast, sometimes putting on 4 to 6 feet in height in a single year. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In fact, that was the original purpose of what’s now the largest, densest stand of blue gum eucalyptus in the world, on campus at Berkeley, says McBride. It was planted around 140 years ago to provide a windbreak for an old cinder running track — to keep its fine ashen gravel from blowing into athletes’ faces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trees’ success in California owed to a lack of enemies here. Because they were grown from seed, they hadn’t brought along any of the pests or pathogens they contend with back in Australia.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>An early 20th century boom\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Within a few decades of its arrival, many Californians grew disenchanted with eucalyptus. Blue gum proved terrible for woodworking — the wood often split and cracked, making it a poor choice for railroad ties. The trees also proved thirsty enough to drain nearby wells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you go back to California farm journals of the 1870s, ’80s, ’90s, there’s just report after report of disappointment, like ‘these trees are no good,’ ” says Farmer, the historian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But things changed in the early 20th century when U.S. Forest Service officials grew concerned about a looming timber famine. They feared forests in the eastern United States had been overexploited and wouldn’t grow back, and predicted the supply of hardwood would dwindle over the next 15 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647127\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11647127 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The bark sheds often, peeling in large strips.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The bark sheds often, peeling in large strips. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Investors saw an opportunity: California had a tree capable of growing to full size within that time frame. If hardwood was about to be scarce, they reasoned, such trees could be in high demand and yield sizable returns within a few short years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These people, Farmer says, were not reading blue gum’s lousy reviews in old farm reports. “And even if they did read them, maybe they wouldn’t care because they just wanted to make a buck; they were just flipping land.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This played out as a speculative frenzy — a bubble. Boosters began selling plantations dense with eucalyptus — hundreds of trees per acre. Farmer writes in his book that claims were made like: “Forests Grown While You Wait,” and “Absolute Security and Absolute Certainty.” In just a few years, millions of blue gums were planted from Southern California up to Mendocino.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The anticipated timber famine never came to pass. Forests further east proved more resilient than expected, and the need was offset by concrete, steel and imports, like mahogany. Ultimately, the thousands of acres of eucalyptus planted around California were not even worth cutting down. Much of what you see today is a century-old abandoned crop.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What’s fire got to do with it?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Eucalyptus trees have lovers and haters in California. A big part of the debate over whether the trees should be allowed to persist here traces back to the East Bay firestorm of 1991, which left 25 people dead and thousands homeless. Vast swaths of eucalyptus burned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People at the time, I don’t think, associated that with a planted plantation; it was just a eucalyptus forest,” says CalPoly botanist Jenn Yost. “And then when the fire came through — I mean that fire came through so fast and so hot and so many people lost their homes that it was a natural reaction to hate blue gums at that point.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many experts say that eucalyptus trees worsen the fire threat for a few reasons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>The bark they shed dries out quickly and creates fuel.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Once a fire starts, that bark easily catches the wind and can be blown miles away, spreading the fire quickly.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Eucalyptus trees are really oily. The oil is actually what gives off that intense fragrance they’re known for. But in a fire, that oil also makes them flammable.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>But Eucalyptus trees have supporters too, who argue other plants in their place would also burn. A few years ago, federal funding to cut down trees in the East Bay hills was \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2016/09/19/fema-pulls-funding-for-tree-clearing-in-berkeley-hills/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">rescinded\u003c/a>, after \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2015/07/18/in-berkeley-protesters-strip-naked-to-try-to-save-trees/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">protesters\u003c/a> got naked and hugged the eucalyptus trees on campus at Cal. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But after a nearly decade-long legal battle, a court gave UC Berkeley the go-ahead to cut. Still, it’s a drop in the bucket when you think about how many of these trees we have in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647123\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-11647123\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1020x1530.jpg\" alt=\"To some, the scent of eucalyptus trees is simply the scent of California.\" width=\"640\" height=\"960\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1920x2880.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-960x1440.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-240x360.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-375x563.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-520x780.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">To some, the scent of eucalyptus trees is simply the scent of California. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Are they here to stay?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Blue gums can’t reproduce on their own just anywhere in California; Yost says they need year-round moisture. They’re able to regenerate in places like California’s coastal fog belt, but elsewhere “there are some plantations that don’t reproduce at all. When you go there, the trees are all in their rows, there’s few saplings anywhere to be seen, and those trees are just getting older.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not all non-native plants capable of reproducing on their own do it enough to have an ecological impact, Yost says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As soon as it starts outcompeting native species or fundamentally changing the environment so that native species can’t grow there, we would consider that an invasive species,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Blue gum is \u003ca href=\"http://www.cal-ipc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Cal-IPC_News_Summer2014-6.pdf#page=10\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">classified\u003c/a> as a “moderate” invasive, putting it a \u003ca href=\"http://www.cal-ipc.org/plants/inventory/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">tier\u003c/a> below such uncharismatic weeds as yellow star-thistle and medusahead. McBride, the retired Berkeley professor, says “although there’s been marginal expansion of some eucalyptus stands, it’s really not well adapted for long-distance dispersal. It hasn’t really spread very much on its own.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousbug]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With an estimated 40,000 acres of unharvested eucalyptus planted across the state, the trees aren’t easy to get rid of. Slicing down a large blue gum near a building can require a crane, at an expense of thousands of dollars. And keeping them from resprouting can also be its own chore.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Long term, as the climate changes over the coming decades, it’s possible the aging eucalyptus groves that don’t get enough water to reproduce will begin to die.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then again, if the state becomes \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/science/2015/02/12/new-study-global-warming-will-bring-megadroughts-to-the-west/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">hotter and drier\u003c/a>, it may become the type of place where some Australian species are able to thrive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousquestion]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Do you see any koala bears?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I wish.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>[sound of bark crunching underfoot]\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Should we tell people where we are?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, so we are at the Mount Sutro Open Space Reserve. Which has gotta be pretty close to the geographic center of San Francisco, would you imagine, right?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think that’s fair. And we are surrounded by a ton of what look to be ancient eucalyptus trees.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> If you’re not familiar with eucalyptus trees, they’re very tall. How tall would you say those are?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We’ve seen some today over a hundred feet, for sure.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Definitely. And they have this weird bark, where the underpart of the tree is really smooth but their bark on the outside flakes off.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> It’s deciduous, but it leaves this tan, almost naked-looking trunk behind.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And these would not be good climbing trees.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah, most of the branches, like, what’s the lowest branch on that one? It’s like 30 feet up, how are you gonna climb that?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One thing I think a lot of people remark about eucalyptus trees in the smell.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>(inhale, exhale)\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Some people hate it. But a couple people I talked to for this story—they say these trees just smell like California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which is pretty weird for a tree from Australia! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>Theme music\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I’m Olivia Allen-Price, and this is Bay Curious, where we answer your questions about the Bay Area. On this episode, science writer Daniel Potter and I take a closer look at Eucalyptus Trees.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They have lovers—and haters.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And there are giant stands of them throughout our region. This story first ran in 2018, but your questions about eucalyptus trees have kept on coming! So we thought it was time to freshen up this episode with some new information. We’ll get to it right after this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>Sponsor Message\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Alright! Let’s get to this week’s question, shall we? Or should I say \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">QUESTIONS\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> because we heard from two different listeners on this one…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christian Wagner:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> How did all of this eucalyptus get to the Bay Area?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That’s Christian Wagner. He’s noticed lots of eucalyptus trees as he’s out and about because he likes hiking.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> –as does Julie Bergen.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Bergen:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I know that they’re invasive, so what do we do about that? Are they worth keeping around? Or do we need to get rid of them and replace them with something else?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Christian and Julie both wonder about eucalyptus’ past—and its future here. Some people argue the trees are bad for \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">native\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> plant life—and a fire hazard—and need to go. So. Science writer Daniel Potter!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Howdy.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Where do we begin unraveling this one?\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In a forest. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>Albany Hill outdoor ambi\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Let’s start with one on Albany Hill in the East Bay. You can see it from I-80, near the racetrack. That’s where I talked to this guy…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My name is Jared Farmer, I’m a professor of history at Stony Brook University, and the author of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Trees In Paradise: A California History\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That book includes a solid hundred pages on eucalyptus trees in California, so I asked Farmer how they got here:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They came here as envelopes of seeds on boats in the 1850s.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He says the Gold Rush drew people from all over—including from Australia. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sea shanty music …“In South Australia I was born, heed away all the way”\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And they were coming to a place where wood was in short supply. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What we think of today as like say native California, Indigenous California, or pre-contact California was far more woody than wooded. Actually it was far more land that was chaparral and savanna and wetland and marshland than timberland…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> People settling here wanted to plant trees. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you’re used to trees, the California landscape might feel… incomplete without them. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And then there were the practical concerns, since Californians were quickly downing what trees \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">were \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">here.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This was course just the era of wood power—wood was used for almost everything. For energy of course but also for building every city, for moving things around, all the things today we use concrete and plastic and steel.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So by the 1850s you could buy young eucalyptus in nurseries in San Francisco. It was grown here from seed, which meant it didn’t bring along any of the usual bugs or pathogens it faces back home. The lack of pests made it easy for these trees to grow really tall, really fast.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>(Berkeley outdoor ambi)\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I would say in an average rainfall year here in California, these trees probably put on four to six feet in height.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is Joe McBride, professor emeritus of landscape architecture and environmental planning at UC Berkeley. I met him in a towering stand of ancient eucalyptus on campus.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These trees are now over 200 feet tall, and the largest ones are approaching six feet in diameter.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Near the present-day Life Sciences building there used to be a cinder running track—picture fine ashen gravel. A hundred and forty years ago \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">…\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> at a fabled track meet with Stanford … supposedly the wind was so bad it blew cinder in everyone’s faces and the Stanford coach took his team home—track meet \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">over\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> As a result of that, the campus planted this grove of eucalyptus trees as a windbreak, to prevent the wind from blowing the cinders into other athletes eyes in the future. This is the largest, densest stand of blue gum eucalyptus in the world.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tell us what that is— blue gum eucalyptus…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> So, the genus eucalyptus includes hundreds of species—some more like shrubs than giant trees. A lot were tried out here, but the main one today is Tasmanian blue gum, eucalyptus globulus. Side note: apparently even botanists can’t always tell what species they’re looking at without climbing way up to check out the fruit… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So for a time these trees were planted on purpose – but many people came to hate them. What changed?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> If you go back to California farm journals of the 1870s, 80s, 90s, there’s report after report of disappointment, like these trees are no good.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That’s Jared Farmer, the historian again. It turns out while our blue gum gets tall real fast, it’s not ideal for woodworking—it splits and cracks and doesn’t hold up if you’re making railroad ties. It also sucks up a lot of water, which is handy if you’re trying to drain swampland, but less handy if your well is nearby. People were kinda over it. Until!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the turn of the 20\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">th\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> century, we were faced with a crisis in terms of hardwood forest that had been cut over in the eastern United States.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In 1907, the U.S. Forest Service predicted a looming hardwood famine. People thought there was only about a 15-year supply before we ran out of usable forest. That gave eucalyptus boosters an idea: plant now, and fast-growing blue gums could be big enough to harvest once the famine hits.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Here in the Bay Area, for $100 you could buy an acre of land… planting those trees on 6 by 6 spacing, about 1,200 trees per acre. So they sold lots of these on a speculative basis.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This became a frenzy—a bubble. Companies suckered investors with claims like \u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003ci>“\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Forests Grown While You Wait” and “Absolute Security and Absolute Certainty.” Within a few years, thousands of acres were bought up and planted with eucalyptus, from Southern California up to Mendocino.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Wait, didn’t we just say blue gum was terrible for woodworking? Why was everyone still planting it?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In his book, Farmer gives a few reasons: blue gum was familiar, seeds were everywhere, it could grow in lousy soil—plus a blend of historical ignorance and artful deception.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In part because these people were not reading farm reports from the 1870s and 1880s, and even if they did read them maybe they wouldn’t care because they just wanted to make a buck, they were just flipping land.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Fears of a hardwood famine ultimately proved overblown. Concrete and steel became cheaper, forests further east recovered, and people started making furniture from imported wood like mahogany instead. California’s eucalyptus trees weren’t even worth cutting down—so there they stand. They’re like century-old abandoned crops. Farmer describes their presence here as a beautiful mistake. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That brings us to the second half of this week’s question from Julie and Christian:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Bergen: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I know that they’re invasive, so what do we do about that?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christian Wagner: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To what extent is it sort of here to stay?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I took this question to Jenn Yost, a botanist at CalPoly. While some people see California’s eucalyptus trees as a heinous invasive species and want them gone, Yost was careful to delineate between \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">non-native\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">—which these trees definitely are—and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">invasive\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jenn Yost:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Just because something reproduces a little bit, sometimes it doesn’t do it enough where it has an ecological impact. And as soon as it starts outcompeting native species or fundamentally changing the environment so that native species can’t grow there, we would consider that an invasive species.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While many kinds of eucalyptus have been tried out in California, only \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">two\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> are good enough at reproducing here to be considered \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">invasive\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: the red gum and the blue gum. And those don’t seem able to reproduce just \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">anywhere\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. In some drier parts of the state, the old plantations aren’t spreading.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jenn Yost:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> You see blue gums being weedy and really reproducing on their own in areas that have summer moisture, and that’s usually in the form of fog. Or you see them being weedy in places with year-round water, like irrigation ditches or places with seeps.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Blue gum is classified as a “moderate invasive.” Compared to other, faster-moving weeds, it’s not California’s most-wanted ravaging the countryside. Yost attributes a lot of the current resentment to the historic 1991 fire in the East Bay hills, where tons of eucalyptus burned.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jenn Yost:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> People at the time I don’t think associated that with a planted plantation; it was just a eucalyptus forest. And then when the fire came through—I mean that fire came through so fast and so hot and so many people lost their homes that it was a natural reaction to hate blue gums at that point.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Archival tape: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pushed by 30 mile per hour winds, fire swept down the Oakland Berkeley hills destroying everything in its path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The East Bay Hills fire was hugely devastating… 25 people died and thousands were left homeless. Many experts say that eucalyptus trees worsen the fire threat for a few reasons… The bark they shed dries out quickly and creates fuel…a lot of fuel. Once a fire starts, that bark easily catches the wind and can be blown miles away, spreading the fire quickly. Also: Eucalyptus trees are really oily. The oil is actually what gives off that intense fragrance they’re known for. But in a fire, that oil also makes them flammable.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Other folks argue different plants in their place would also burn. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is an entrenched debate! A few years ago there was federal fire-prevention funding to cut down trees in those same hills, and people protested. Folks got naked and hugged the blue gums on campus at Berkeley. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> But after a nearly decade-long legal battle, a court gave UC Berkeley the go-ahead to cut down dozens of acres of Eucalyptus last year. Still, it’s a drop in the bucket when you think about how many of these trees we have in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yost estimates there’s something like 40 thousand acres of unharvested crops in the state. It’s not hard to extrapolate upwards of ten million trees statewide. Cutting each one down takes time and money.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So really the question of whether eucalyptus is going away comes down to who’s backyard it’s in. Can they afford to cut the trees down? Is the political will there to do it? \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Music\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So that’s where things are. What did our question askers think? Christian and Julie.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Bergen:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That was absolutely fascinating. I did not know that the history was even that rich.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Christian Wagner: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I have to say I love the idea that a lot of what we see was a get-rich-quick scheme. Because that is just a theme that happens so often in America and in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So often to our detriment. Science Writer Daniel Potter, thanks for stomping around so many forests for us this week. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Happy to do it!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">music\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A note: A few of the sources quoted in his story have changed jobs since they were first interviewed in 2018.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you’ve ever wondered what all goes into making a Bay Curious story sound the way it does … join producer Katrina Schwartz and I TONIGHT, April 11 for our talk: Elevating Audio Stories with Sound for the PRX Podcast Garage. We’ll be talking through how we use music, sound effects, archival material, narration and more to bring the Bay Curious podcast to life. Join us in person at KQED’s Headquarters, or on the livestream. Tickets are free if you use the code “baycurious.” Grab yours at \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/podcast\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">kqed.org/podcastgarage\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bay Curious is made by Katrina Schwartz, Christopher Beale, and me, Olivia-Allen Price. Additional support from Jen Chien, Katie Sprenger, Cesar Saldana, Maha Sanad, Holly Kernan and the whole KQED Family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christian Wagner:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Bay Curious is made in San Francisco at KQED. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I’m Olivia Allen-Price. Have a great week!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Depending on whom you ask, eucalyptus trees are either an icon in California or a fire-prone scourge.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1712783726,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":true,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":118,"wordCount":4111},"headData":{"title":"Eucalyptus: How California's Most Hated Tree Took Root | KQED","description":"Depending on whom you ask, eucalyptus trees are either an icon in California or a fire-prone scourge.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":""},"source":"Bay Curious","audioUrl":"https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/chrt.fm/track/G6C7C3/traffic.megaphone.fm/KQINC6716621061.mp3?updated=1712782612","sticky":false,"nprByline":"\u003cstrong>Daniel Potter\u003c/strong>","excludeFromSiteSearch":"Include","showOnAuthorArchivePages":"No","articleAge":"0","path":"/news/11644927/eucalyptus-how-californias-most-hated-tree-took-root-2","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a> \u003cem>This article was first published in February 1, 2018, and was updated on April 11, 2024. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Depending on whom you ask, eucalyptus trees are either an icon in California or a fire-prone scourge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Curious heard from two hikers wanting to know about the past and future of California’s eucalyptus trees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How did all of this eucalyptus get to the Bay Area?” asked Christian Wagner, a tech worker who lives in Pleasanton.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I know that they’re invasive, so what do we do about that? Are they worth keeping around? Or do we need to get rid of them and replace them with something else?” wondered Julie Bergen, an occupational therapist from Alameda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reaching heights of more than 100 feet, the main kind of eucalyptus you’re likely to see here is Tasmanian blue gum, eucalyptus globulus. They feature sickle-shaped leaves hanging from high branches, and deciduous bark that is forever peeling from their shaggy trunks. Some people experience the smell of eucalyptus as medicinal; others say the trees just smell like California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647124\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11647124 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The trees are deciduous, shedding their bark every year.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29068_eucalyptusgrove7-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The trees are deciduous, shedding their bark every year. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>So how did eucalyptus trees get here?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“They came here as envelopes of seeds on boats coming to California in the 1850s,” explains Jared Farmer, author of \u003ca href=\"https://jaredfarmer.net/books/trees-in-paradise/\">“Trees In Paradise: A California History.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the Gold Rush, Australians were among the throngs flocking to a place where wood was in short supply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This was the era of wood power,” Farmer says. “Wood was used for almost everything. For energy, of course, but also for building every city, for moving things around, all the things where today we use concrete and plastic and steel.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Besides the practical need to plant more trees, settlers who were used to dense forests also felt that the lack of trees in California’s grassy, marshy, scrubby landscape made it feel incomplete. So within a few years, nurseries in San Francisco were selling young eucalyptus grown from seed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trees grew remarkably quickly here, even in poor soil.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In an average rainfall year here in California, these trees probably put on 4 to 6 feet in height and maybe, in their early growth years, a half-inch to an inch in diameter,” says Joe McBride, a UC Berkeley professor emeritus of landscape architecture and environmental planning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Beyond the drive to change the landscape and provide firewood, Californians also planted eucalyptus (mainly blue gum) to serve as windbreaks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647125\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11647125 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Eucalyptus trees grow fast, sometimes putting on four to six feet in height in a single year.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29071_eucalyptusgrove10-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Eucalyptus trees grow fast, sometimes putting on 4 to 6 feet in height in a single year. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In fact, that was the original purpose of what’s now the largest, densest stand of blue gum eucalyptus in the world, on campus at Berkeley, says McBride. It was planted around 140 years ago to provide a windbreak for an old cinder running track — to keep its fine ashen gravel from blowing into athletes’ faces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The trees’ success in California owed to a lack of enemies here. Because they were grown from seed, they hadn’t brought along any of the pests or pathogens they contend with back in Australia.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>An early 20th century boom\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Within a few decades of its arrival, many Californians grew disenchanted with eucalyptus. Blue gum proved terrible for woodworking — the wood often split and cracked, making it a poor choice for railroad ties. The trees also proved thirsty enough to drain nearby wells.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you go back to California farm journals of the 1870s, ’80s, ’90s, there’s just report after report of disappointment, like ‘these trees are no good,’ ” says Farmer, the historian.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But things changed in the early 20th century when U.S. Forest Service officials grew concerned about a looming timber famine. They feared forests in the eastern United States had been overexploited and wouldn’t grow back, and predicted the supply of hardwood would dwindle over the next 15 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647127\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11647127 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"The bark sheds often, peeling in large strips.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29072_eucalyptusgrove11-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The bark sheds often, peeling in large strips. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Investors saw an opportunity: California had a tree capable of growing to full size within that time frame. If hardwood was about to be scarce, they reasoned, such trees could be in high demand and yield sizable returns within a few short years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These people, Farmer says, were not reading blue gum’s lousy reviews in old farm reports. “And even if they did read them, maybe they wouldn’t care because they just wanted to make a buck; they were just flipping land.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This played out as a speculative frenzy — a bubble. Boosters began selling plantations dense with eucalyptus — hundreds of trees per acre. Farmer writes in his book that claims were made like: “Forests Grown While You Wait,” and “Absolute Security and Absolute Certainty.” In just a few years, millions of blue gums were planted from Southern California up to Mendocino.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The anticipated timber famine never came to pass. Forests further east proved more resilient than expected, and the need was offset by concrete, steel and imports, like mahogany. Ultimately, the thousands of acres of eucalyptus planted around California were not even worth cutting down. Much of what you see today is a century-old abandoned crop.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What’s fire got to do with it?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Eucalyptus trees have lovers and haters in California. A big part of the debate over whether the trees should be allowed to persist here traces back to the East Bay firestorm of 1991, which left 25 people dead and thousands homeless. Vast swaths of eucalyptus burned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People at the time, I don’t think, associated that with a planted plantation; it was just a eucalyptus forest,” says CalPoly botanist Jenn Yost. “And then when the fire came through — I mean that fire came through so fast and so hot and so many people lost their homes that it was a natural reaction to hate blue gums at that point.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many experts say that eucalyptus trees worsen the fire threat for a few reasons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>The bark they shed dries out quickly and creates fuel.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Once a fire starts, that bark easily catches the wind and can be blown miles away, spreading the fire quickly.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Eucalyptus trees are really oily. The oil is actually what gives off that intense fragrance they’re known for. But in a fire, that oil also makes them flammable.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>But Eucalyptus trees have supporters too, who argue other plants in their place would also burn. A few years ago, federal funding to cut down trees in the East Bay hills was \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2016/09/19/fema-pulls-funding-for-tree-clearing-in-berkeley-hills/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">rescinded\u003c/a>, after \u003ca href=\"http://www.berkeleyside.com/2015/07/18/in-berkeley-protesters-strip-naked-to-try-to-save-trees/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">protesters\u003c/a> got naked and hugged the eucalyptus trees on campus at Cal. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But after a nearly decade-long legal battle, a court gave UC Berkeley the go-ahead to cut. Still, it’s a drop in the bucket when you think about how many of these trees we have in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11647123\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-11647123\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1020x1530.jpg\" alt=\"To some, the scent of eucalyptus trees is simply the scent of California.\" width=\"640\" height=\"960\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1920x2880.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-1180x1770.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-960x1440.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-240x360.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-375x563.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS29066_eucalyptusgrove2-520x780.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">To some, the scent of eucalyptus trees is simply the scent of California. \u003ccite>(Samantha Shanahan/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>Are they here to stay?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Blue gums can’t reproduce on their own just anywhere in California; Yost says they need year-round moisture. They’re able to regenerate in places like California’s coastal fog belt, but elsewhere “there are some plantations that don’t reproduce at all. When you go there, the trees are all in their rows, there’s few saplings anywhere to be seen, and those trees are just getting older.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not all non-native plants capable of reproducing on their own do it enough to have an ecological impact, Yost says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As soon as it starts outcompeting native species or fundamentally changing the environment so that native species can’t grow there, we would consider that an invasive species,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Blue gum is \u003ca href=\"http://www.cal-ipc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Cal-IPC_News_Summer2014-6.pdf#page=10\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">classified\u003c/a> as a “moderate” invasive, putting it a \u003ca href=\"http://www.cal-ipc.org/plants/inventory/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">tier\u003c/a> below such uncharismatic weeds as yellow star-thistle and medusahead. McBride, the retired Berkeley professor, says “although there’s been marginal expansion of some eucalyptus stands, it’s really not well adapted for long-distance dispersal. It hasn’t really spread very much on its own.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" />\n What do you wonder about the Bay Area, its culture or people that you want KQED to investigate?\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Ask Bay Curious.\u003c/a>\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With an estimated 40,000 acres of unharvested eucalyptus planted across the state, the trees aren’t easy to get rid of. Slicing down a large blue gum near a building can require a crane, at an expense of thousands of dollars. And keeping them from resprouting can also be its own chore.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Long term, as the climate changes over the coming decades, it’s possible the aging eucalyptus groves that don’t get enough water to reproduce will begin to die.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then again, if the state becomes \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/science/2015/02/12/new-study-global-warming-will-bring-megadroughts-to-the-west/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">hotter and drier\u003c/a>, it may become the type of place where some Australian species are able to thrive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"baycuriousquestion","attributes":{"named":{"label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Do you see any koala bears?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I wish.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>[sound of bark crunching underfoot]\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Should we tell people where we are?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, so we are at the Mount Sutro Open Space Reserve. Which has gotta be pretty close to the geographic center of San Francisco, would you imagine, right?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think that’s fair. And we are surrounded by a ton of what look to be ancient eucalyptus trees.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> If you’re not familiar with eucalyptus trees, they’re very tall. How tall would you say those are?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We’ve seen some today over a hundred feet, for sure.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Definitely. And they have this weird bark, where the underpart of the tree is really smooth but their bark on the outside flakes off.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> It’s deciduous, but it leaves this tan, almost naked-looking trunk behind.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And these would not be good climbing trees.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Yeah, most of the branches, like, what’s the lowest branch on that one? It’s like 30 feet up, how are you gonna climb that?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One thing I think a lot of people remark about eucalyptus trees in the smell.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>(inhale, exhale)\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Some people hate it. But a couple people I talked to for this story—they say these trees just smell like California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which is pretty weird for a tree from Australia! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>Theme music\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I’m Olivia Allen-Price, and this is Bay Curious, where we answer your questions about the Bay Area. On this episode, science writer Daniel Potter and I take a closer look at Eucalyptus Trees.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They have lovers—and haters.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And there are giant stands of them throughout our region. This story first ran in 2018, but your questions about eucalyptus trees have kept on coming! So we thought it was time to freshen up this episode with some new information. We’ll get to it right after this.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>Sponsor Message\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Alright! Let’s get to this week’s question, shall we? Or should I say \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">QUESTIONS\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> because we heard from two different listeners on this one…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christian Wagner:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> How did all of this eucalyptus get to the Bay Area?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That’s Christian Wagner. He’s noticed lots of eucalyptus trees as he’s out and about because he likes hiking.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> –as does Julie Bergen.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Bergen:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I know that they’re invasive, so what do we do about that? Are they worth keeping around? Or do we need to get rid of them and replace them with something else?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Christian and Julie both wonder about eucalyptus’ past—and its future here. Some people argue the trees are bad for \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">native\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> plant life—and a fire hazard—and need to go. So. Science writer Daniel Potter!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Howdy.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Where do we begin unraveling this one?\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In a forest. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>Albany Hill outdoor ambi\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Let’s start with one on Albany Hill in the East Bay. You can see it from I-80, near the racetrack. That’s where I talked to this guy…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My name is Jared Farmer, I’m a professor of history at Stony Brook University, and the author of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Trees In Paradise: A California History\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That book includes a solid hundred pages on eucalyptus trees in California, so I asked Farmer how they got here:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They came here as envelopes of seeds on boats in the 1850s.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He says the Gold Rush drew people from all over—including from Australia. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sea shanty music …“In South Australia I was born, heed away all the way”\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And they were coming to a place where wood was in short supply. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What we think of today as like say native California, Indigenous California, or pre-contact California was far more woody than wooded. Actually it was far more land that was chaparral and savanna and wetland and marshland than timberland…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> People settling here wanted to plant trees. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you’re used to trees, the California landscape might feel… incomplete without them. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> And then there were the practical concerns, since Californians were quickly downing what trees \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">were \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">here.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This was course just the era of wood power—wood was used for almost everything. For energy of course but also for building every city, for moving things around, all the things today we use concrete and plastic and steel.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So by the 1850s you could buy young eucalyptus in nurseries in San Francisco. It was grown here from seed, which meant it didn’t bring along any of the usual bugs or pathogens it faces back home. The lack of pests made it easy for these trees to grow really tall, really fast.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003ci>(Berkeley outdoor ambi)\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I would say in an average rainfall year here in California, these trees probably put on four to six feet in height.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is Joe McBride, professor emeritus of landscape architecture and environmental planning at UC Berkeley. I met him in a towering stand of ancient eucalyptus on campus.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These trees are now over 200 feet tall, and the largest ones are approaching six feet in diameter.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Near the present-day Life Sciences building there used to be a cinder running track—picture fine ashen gravel. A hundred and forty years ago \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">…\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> at a fabled track meet with Stanford … supposedly the wind was so bad it blew cinder in everyone’s faces and the Stanford coach took his team home—track meet \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">over\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> As a result of that, the campus planted this grove of eucalyptus trees as a windbreak, to prevent the wind from blowing the cinders into other athletes eyes in the future. This is the largest, densest stand of blue gum eucalyptus in the world.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tell us what that is— blue gum eucalyptus…\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> So, the genus eucalyptus includes hundreds of species—some more like shrubs than giant trees. A lot were tried out here, but the main one today is Tasmanian blue gum, eucalyptus globulus. Side note: apparently even botanists can’t always tell what species they’re looking at without climbing way up to check out the fruit… \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So for a time these trees were planted on purpose – but many people came to hate them. What changed?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> If you go back to California farm journals of the 1870s, 80s, 90s, there’s report after report of disappointment, like these trees are no good.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That’s Jared Farmer, the historian again. It turns out while our blue gum gets tall real fast, it’s not ideal for woodworking—it splits and cracks and doesn’t hold up if you’re making railroad ties. It also sucks up a lot of water, which is handy if you’re trying to drain swampland, but less handy if your well is nearby. People were kinda over it. Until!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the turn of the 20\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">th\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> century, we were faced with a crisis in terms of hardwood forest that had been cut over in the eastern United States.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In 1907, the U.S. Forest Service predicted a looming hardwood famine. People thought there was only about a 15-year supply before we ran out of usable forest. That gave eucalyptus boosters an idea: plant now, and fast-growing blue gums could be big enough to harvest once the famine hits.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Joe McBride: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Here in the Bay Area, for $100 you could buy an acre of land… planting those trees on 6 by 6 spacing, about 1,200 trees per acre. So they sold lots of these on a speculative basis.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This became a frenzy—a bubble. Companies suckered investors with claims like \u003c/span>\u003cb>\u003ci>“\u003c/i>\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Forests Grown While You Wait” and “Absolute Security and Absolute Certainty.” Within a few years, thousands of acres were bought up and planted with eucalyptus, from Southern California up to Mendocino.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Wait, didn’t we just say blue gum was terrible for woodworking? Why was everyone still planting it?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In his book, Farmer gives a few reasons: blue gum was familiar, seeds were everywhere, it could grow in lousy soil—plus a blend of historical ignorance and artful deception.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jared Farmer:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> In part because these people were not reading farm reports from the 1870s and 1880s, and even if they did read them maybe they wouldn’t care because they just wanted to make a buck, they were just flipping land.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Fears of a hardwood famine ultimately proved overblown. Concrete and steel became cheaper, forests further east recovered, and people started making furniture from imported wood like mahogany instead. California’s eucalyptus trees weren’t even worth cutting down—so there they stand. They’re like century-old abandoned crops. Farmer describes their presence here as a beautiful mistake. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That brings us to the second half of this week’s question from Julie and Christian:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Bergen: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I know that they’re invasive, so what do we do about that?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christian Wagner: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To what extent is it sort of here to stay?\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> I took this question to Jenn Yost, a botanist at CalPoly. While some people see California’s eucalyptus trees as a heinous invasive species and want them gone, Yost was careful to delineate between \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">non-native\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">—which these trees definitely are—and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">invasive\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jenn Yost:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Just because something reproduces a little bit, sometimes it doesn’t do it enough where it has an ecological impact. And as soon as it starts outcompeting native species or fundamentally changing the environment so that native species can’t grow there, we would consider that an invasive species.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While many kinds of eucalyptus have been tried out in California, only \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">two\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> are good enough at reproducing here to be considered \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">invasive\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: the red gum and the blue gum. And those don’t seem able to reproduce just \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">anywhere\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. In some drier parts of the state, the old plantations aren’t spreading.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jenn Yost:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> You see blue gums being weedy and really reproducing on their own in areas that have summer moisture, and that’s usually in the form of fog. Or you see them being weedy in places with year-round water, like irrigation ditches or places with seeps.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Blue gum is classified as a “moderate invasive.” Compared to other, faster-moving weeds, it’s not California’s most-wanted ravaging the countryside. Yost attributes a lot of the current resentment to the historic 1991 fire in the East Bay hills, where tons of eucalyptus burned.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jenn Yost:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> People at the time I don’t think associated that with a planted plantation; it was just a eucalyptus forest. And then when the fire came through—I mean that fire came through so fast and so hot and so many people lost their homes that it was a natural reaction to hate blue gums at that point.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Archival tape: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pushed by 30 mile per hour winds, fire swept down the Oakland Berkeley hills destroying everything in its path.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The East Bay Hills fire was hugely devastating… 25 people died and thousands were left homeless. Many experts say that eucalyptus trees worsen the fire threat for a few reasons… The bark they shed dries out quickly and creates fuel…a lot of fuel. Once a fire starts, that bark easily catches the wind and can be blown miles away, spreading the fire quickly. Also: Eucalyptus trees are really oily. The oil is actually what gives off that intense fragrance they’re known for. But in a fire, that oil also makes them flammable.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Other folks argue different plants in their place would also burn. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is an entrenched debate! A few years ago there was federal fire-prevention funding to cut down trees in those same hills, and people protested. Folks got naked and hugged the blue gums on campus at Berkeley. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> But after a nearly decade-long legal battle, a court gave UC Berkeley the go-ahead to cut down dozens of acres of Eucalyptus last year. Still, it’s a drop in the bucket when you think about how many of these trees we have in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yost estimates there’s something like 40 thousand acres of unharvested crops in the state. It’s not hard to extrapolate upwards of ten million trees statewide. Cutting each one down takes time and money.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So really the question of whether eucalyptus is going away comes down to who’s backyard it’s in. Can they afford to cut the trees down? Is the political will there to do it? \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Music\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So that’s where things are. What did our question askers think? Christian and Julie.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Bergen:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That was absolutely fascinating. I did not know that the history was even that rich.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Christian Wagner: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I have to say I love the idea that a lot of what we see was a get-rich-quick scheme. Because that is just a theme that happens so often in America and in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So often to our detriment. Science Writer Daniel Potter, thanks for stomping around so many forests for us this week. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Daniel Potter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Happy to do it!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">music\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A note: A few of the sources quoted in his story have changed jobs since they were first interviewed in 2018.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you’ve ever wondered what all goes into making a Bay Curious story sound the way it does … join producer Katrina Schwartz and I TONIGHT, April 11 for our talk: Elevating Audio Stories with Sound for the PRX Podcast Garage. We’ll be talking through how we use music, sound effects, archival material, narration and more to bring the Bay Curious podcast to life. Join us in person at KQED’s Headquarters, or on the livestream. Tickets are free if you use the code “baycurious.” Grab yours at \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/podcast\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">kqed.org/podcastgarage\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bay Curious is made by Katrina Schwartz, Christopher Beale, and me, Olivia-Allen Price. Additional support from Jen Chien, Katie Sprenger, Cesar Saldana, Maha Sanad, Holly Kernan and the whole KQED Family. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christian Wagner:\u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Bay Curious is made in San Francisco at KQED. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Olivia Allen-Price: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I’m Olivia Allen-Price. 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A former Marine infantryman and convicted felon who lives in Stanislaus County, Damigo is being credited with helping to lead the Charlottesville protest, along with other white supremacist rallies around the country. Damigo has made these rallies a key driver for recruiting new members of the group. He did not respond to requests for comment on Saturday about his involvement in the Charlottesville event following his arrest there.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I’d love to take credit for it, but it was more Nathan.'\u003ccite>Richard Spencer of the white supremacy group the National Policy Institute on Nathan Damigo's organization around a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Aug. 12.\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>But over the course of multiple hourlong interviews over several months this year, Damigo, 31, said his group is engaged in peaceful protests protected by the First Amendment. Before Charlottesville, Damigo was probably best known for punching a 19-year-old woman in the face in Berkeley. That moment was \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8GVtXfATtI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">captured on video\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the video, Damigo -- sporting a hipster haircut, collared shirt and clenched fists -- runs up to a young, dreadlocked woman holding a camera and punches her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo told KQED he punched the woman because she was a threat; because she was going to attack his friends; because she was a member of Antifa, a leftist confederation of socialists and anarchists -- some of whom have committed acts of violence and arson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Essentially, Damigo said he punched her because he had to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"jZdJDt4VLmEfe9wQB3CLFzAUrdJPiNWM\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“She joined this organization and came with her local gang from Southern California, according to statements that she made on social media, to disrupt the events and to acquire scalps,” he said. “Furthermore, she was swinging around bottles, which is a deadly weapon, a foot-long wine bottle at people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s not what KQED witnessed at the scene of the attack, however.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What began with Damigo shouting provocative calls into a megaphone quickly turned into an all-out street brawl. Damigo was screaming \"hold the line,\" \"guard the flank\" and \"advance!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo violently moved through the crowd. Smoke bombs and flash grenades and glass bottles were thrown. Thick tear gas filled the air. Leftist protesters, many of them aging men, were beat up. Police were hit with firecrackers. At one point, Antifa (wearing black hoodies and masks) and the far right (wearing red hats, flag capes and paramilitary armor) fought over who could control a dumpster that was pushed down the street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11611676\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11611676 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A fight broke out over control of a dumpster after right- and left-wing demonstrators clashed in Berkeley on April 15. \u003ccite>(John Sepulvado/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Damigo found himself outside of the roaring street brawl he helped create. Alone for a moment, he stopped in the middle of the street. Then, he ran across the street, right up to the woman, and hit her. After she fell, Damigo turned, smiled and jumped back into the rolling scuffles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/nathan-damigo-punching-woman-berkeley-white-nationalism/\">Damigo’s involvement in the \"Battle of Berkeley\"\u003c/a> is an important moment for the white supremacist movement because it attracted supporters from around the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A large amount of the violence that has occurred may be due to the inroads we are making,\" Damigo told an interviewer after the Berkeley events.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This frenetic, violent, yet charismatic man with extreme racist views helped organize the Charlottesville rally. And he’s helping to mobilize an entire generation of white supremacists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11611748\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 441px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11611748\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"441\" height=\"495\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download.png 441w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download-160x180.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download-240x269.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download-375x421.png 375w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 441px) 100vw, 441px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A graphic promoting the Charlottesville rally included the insignia of Damigo's group Identity Evropa in section \"I.\" of the snake.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>From Suburban California Kid to Imprisoned Felon\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Nathan Damigo was born in Lewiston, Maine. In a long conversation with KQED, he noted with irony that the community had accepted early groups of resettled refugees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I wouldn’t call them refugees,” Damigo said. “It was one of the first places they started doing the Somali immigration relocation thing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventually, his mother moved the family to San Jose. In the South Bay, Damigo traced the beginning of his “race realist” awakening to feeling out of place in a multiracial city. He said he would feel uncomfortable in situations where he was the only white person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’d go over to a friend’s house, or something like that, and everybody’s speaking a different language,” Damigo said, “and you’re just sitting there awkwardly. There’s no connection there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11611678\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11611678\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nathan Damigo traces the beginning of his 'race realist' beliefs to his upbringing in the diverse city of San Jose. \u003ccite>(Bert Johnson/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Damigo went to Liberty Baptist School in San Jose through his senior year. His mother worked as a teacher there. Like so many other California kids of his age, he listened to bands like Metallica and Soundgarden, watched \"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,\" and dreamed of being a pro skater.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet, as he aged, those dreams morphed into aspirations of a military career -- his father had served in the Marine Corps. Damigo said his desire to serve became more pronounced after the Sept. 11 attacks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I pretty much watched live as the second tower was hit,” he said. “That was a pretty big thing to watch.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I became disillusioned, after the Iraq War, with mainstream narratives. ... Most of [David Duke’s] arguments I just couldn’t debunk, no matter how hard I tried.'\u003ccite>Nathan Damigo, Founder of Identity Evropa\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Damigo also credited his socially conservative family, who he said raised him to have pride in the country, for influencing his decision to enlist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He would serve two deployments in Iraq in the infantry. It was on these tours that Damigo’s views on race began to be shaped by the violent conflict he saw on a daily basis -- killings, murders, explosions and misery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I saw them in Iraq, which is also a multireligious, multicultural society,” Damigo said. “And I generally saw it growing up. And it was certainly a more extreme form, but it definitely, I think, it did make me think a bit more about race and population dynamics.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The violence that began to shape Damigo’s thinking on race also killed two of his close friends in combat. According to court documents obtained by El Tecolote and KQED, Damigo began suffering acute symptoms of PTSD as a result of his exposure to the Iraq War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo blames that trauma for his decision to rob a San Diego cab driver at gunpoint after his return from Iraq.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During a psychological evaluation conducted for the court as part of the criminal case, Damigo said he attacked the cab driver, Changiz Ezzatyar, because he mistook him for an Iraqi. Damigo said the decision came after a night of solitary heavy drinking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Psychologist Heidi Kraft conducted another evaluation of Damigo after the assault. In her clinical notes, which were included in court documents from his trial, she wrote:\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'We don’t want to be seen as overly threatening.'\u003ccite>Nathan Damigo,\u003cbr>\nFounder of Identity Evropa\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>“While there is no evidence that the patient experienced psychiatric dissociation during the robbery, his PTSD symptoms were so disabling, and his use of alcohol to self-medicate was so heavy, it appears that the combination of these factors led to a serious and uncharacteristic breakdown in both insight and judgment the night of his arrest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kraft added that some PTSD patients engage in thrill-seeking behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Based on this Marine’s history, which is free of any behavior even remotely similar to the night of his arrest, it is likely that he may have become one of those patients,” Kraft concluded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His family strongly defended Damigo during the court hearing, and his story was featured on the HBO documentary, \u003ca href=\"http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/wartorn-1861-2010\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\"Wartorn,\"\u003c/a> as part of a broader series on post-traumatic stress disorder in veterans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was like being dropped in a nightmare,\" his mother, Charilyn Damigo, told HBO.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/RDnews/2017/08/damigo.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/20170813_NathanDamigo_Credit_BertJohnson-1-1920x1280.jpg\" Title=\"Californian Who Helped Lead Charlottesville Protests Used Berkeley as a Test Run\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo's mother and others wrote letters to the court, urging leniency and understanding from the judge. But worried that a defense centered on PTSD would fail, Damigo accepted a plea deal and was sentenced to six years in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was during that time that he started reading the words of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, who remains a white supremacist leader and was at the Charlottesville event.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I became disillusioned after the Iraq War with mainstream narratives,” Damigo said. “Most of [Duke’s] arguments I just couldn’t debunk, no matter how hard I tried.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>College Students Seen as the Key to a Separate White Homeland\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Damigo's white supremacist group -- Identity Evropa -- is based in California but has chapters on college campuses throughout the country. The group has a high visibility on campuses from San Diego to Tuscaloosa to Charlottesville. On these campuses are fliers, banners, posters and bathroom graffiti advertising Identity Evropa videos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo’s views on race and nationalism may have been shaped by the four years in prison, but in many ways they are clear echoes of older white supremacists such as Duke. In an interview with KQED, Damigo said he believes white people need their own separate country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But he added that he also wants his organization to be seen as more acceptable to a broader population. For example, Damigo has banned members of Identity Evropa from having tattoos on their faces, necks or hands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t want to be seen as overly threatening,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo also doesn’t swear, instead using words like “gosh” or “golly” in the place of expletives. And as other racists have argued for forceful relocation or purging of minority groups from American society, Damigo avoided talking about how he would create a white-only homeland.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'Universities are institutions where the cognitive elite of the youth tend to bottleneck. ... They are going to be the ones who are going to be most likely to bring about change, long-term institutional change.'\u003ccite>Nathan Damigo,\u003cbr>\nFounder of Identity Evropa\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>But he doesn’t avoid conflict. Instead -- as they did in Berkeley and Charlottesville -- Identity Evropa and aligned white supremacist groups seem to revel in goading counterprotesters into violent clashes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo also indicated that at this stage he’s more interested in recruiting members and building a durable movement than hammering out specific policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I mean, this is the stuff that will likely never happen in my lifetime,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To that end, Damigo said he is targeting college-educated white males as potential new members of Identity Evropa. That’s a big reason these rallies have been largely organized on college campuses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re not just protests. They’re recruitment drives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Universities are institutions where the cognitive elite of the youth tend to bottleneck,” Damigo said. “They are going to be the ones who are going to be most likely to bring about change, long-term institutional change.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a strategy shared by Damigo’s friend, Richard Spencer, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">one of the most outspoken and visible members of the white supremacist movement\u003c/a>. Spencer heads the National Policy Institute, a white supremacy group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For better or for worse, I am not trying to reach each and every person who goes to a Trump rally,” Spencer told KQED prior to this weekend’s violence. “There are certainly more populist versions of the alt-right. I think it’s abundantly clear that I’m going after an elite.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This approach appears to be working for Identity Evropa, which has recruited more than 500 members at colleges across the country, according to Damigo. KQED could not independently verify that claim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Brian Levin -- a noted hate-group researcher and professor at CSU San Bernardino's Department of Criminal Justice -- said he does not believe those numbers are accurate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I wouldn't believe any membership claims by Damigo,\" Levin said. “Damigo is trying to not just be the opening act in the white supremacy movement. The membership of his group is far smaller.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I looked at whether white people thought black people are lazy and unintelligent, and there was an uptick in the youngest respondents. ... They’re showing a lot of prejudice, really.'\u003ccite>Jean Twenge,\u003cbr>\nSan Diego State University psychology professor, author\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>However, several prominent social scientists who have begun studying the rise of the hard right said they, too, are seeing a significant uptick of participation in racist groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of those researchers is Jean Twenge, a psychology professor at San Diego State University who wrote the book \"iGen.\" She said her research shows that a minority of people younger than 24 hold racist beliefs, but there has been an increase in those numbers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I looked at whether white people thought black people are lazy and unintelligent, and there was an uptick in the youngest respondents,” Twenge said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re showing a lot of prejudice, really,” she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenge is unsure why this trend is happening. But she said anecdotally, there appears to be evidence that white nationalism is taking root among young men.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Berkeley sociologist Arlie Hochschild agreed. During research for her book, \"Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right,\" she ran across a hardening of views among young men, specifically about blacks and Muslims.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There was a great anger, especially with regards to groups like Black Lives Matter or American-Islamic groups,” Hochschild said. “There is a deep-rooted belief that in the past eight years, those groups have somehow cut to the front of the line, that their needs are being placed ahead of whites, especially white men.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That anger -- that somehow white history and status in society is being displaced by minority groups and women -- was a driving force and rallying cry among white supremacists in Charlottesville, who marched with tiki torches lit to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue. The event to celebrate confederate and white heritage was organized locally by Jason Kessler, a local white nationalist.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'The more these people kick and scream and whine and cry, the more publicity we get. ... Publicity is a good thing. From a PR perspective we want people to talk about us.'\u003ccite>Nathan Damigo,\u003cbr>\nFounder of Identity Evropa\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>According to Richard Spencer, who spoke to KQED a few weeks before the violence and deaths in Charlottesville, Damigo and his group took the lead to organize white supremacist participation among people from outside Charlottesville.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’d love to take credit for it, but it was more Nathan,” Spencer said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the outcome in Charlottesville is markedly different than it was in the Berkeley rally. Three people have died, including 32-year-old Heather Heyer, allegedly run over by an apparent white supremacist. Two Virginia State Police officers -- Pilot Lt. H. Jay Cullen and Trooper-Pilot Berke M.M. Bates -- died a few hours later when their patrol helicopter crashed en route to the scene of the violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo was arrested in Virginia for failing to disperse. He’s set up an online fundraiser for his legal costs related to what he describes as civil rights violations in Charlottesville.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prior to his arrest, Damigo said he was looking forward to more campus events. He told KQED one of his plans is to set up an event at UC Berkeley with Richard Spencer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The more these people kick and scream and whine and cry, the more publicity we get,” Damigo said. “Publicity is a good thing. From a PR perspective we want people to talk about us.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Editor's note: El Tecolote's Alexis Terrazas contributed to this story, which is presented in partnership with the San Francisco newspaper.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Nathan Damigo, leader of a California-based white nationalist group, was also a key figure in the Charlottesville, Virginia, protest that left three dead.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1502757879,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":71,"wordCount":2843},"headData":{"title":"Californian Who Helped Lead Charlottesville Protests Used Berkeley as a Test Run | KQED","description":"Nathan Damigo, leader of a California-based white nationalist group, was also a key figure in the Charlottesville, Virginia, protest that left three dead.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","authorsData":[{"type":"authors","id":"11298","meta":{"index":"authors_1591205172","id":"11298","found":true},"name":"John Sepulvado","firstName":"John","lastName":"Sepulvado","slug":"jsepulvado","email":"jsepulvado@KQED.org","display_author_email":false,"staff_mastheads":[],"title":null,"bio":"John Sepulvado is a former morning host of \u003cem>The California Report\u003c/em>. Prior to joining KQED in September 2016, John was the local host of NPR’s \u003cem>Weekend Edition\u003c/em> at Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB). He has also served as a producer for America Public Media’s \u003cem>Marketplace Weekend\u003c/em> and worked as a national correspondent for CNN and as news director at WUSF in Tampa, Florida. John has earned prestigious RTDNA Murrow and PRNDI awards for investigative reporting, and helped CNN take home a Peabody Award for coverage of the 2010 Gulf oil spill. John attended Florida A&M in Tallahassee and is also a member of Phi Theta Kappa. 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His work has also been published in the \u003cem>Sacramento News & Review\u003c/em> and he was previously the Multimedia Editor at the \u003cem>East Bay Express. \u003c/em>He covers social movements, the justice system and extremism. Email: bjohnson@kqed.org Twitter: @bertjohnsonfoto Instagram: @bertjohnsonfoto","avatar":"https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/68b1d4bfae2eff83ac1d5c2ca0d0a936?s=600&d=blank&r=g","twitter":null,"facebook":null,"instagram":null,"linkedin":null,"sites":[{"site":"news","roles":["edit_others_posts","subscriber"]}],"headData":{"title":"Bert Johnson | KQED","description":"KQED Contributor","ogImgSrc":"https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/68b1d4bfae2eff83ac1d5c2ca0d0a936?s=600&d=blank&r=g","twImgSrc":"https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/68b1d4bfae2eff83ac1d5c2ca0d0a936?s=600&d=blank&r=g"},"isLoading":false,"link":"/author/bjohnson"}],"imageData":{"ogImageSize":{"file":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/20170813_NathanDamigo_Credit_BertJohnson-1-1020x680.jpg","width":1020,"height":680,"mimeType":"image/jpeg"},"twImageSize":{"file":"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/20170813_NathanDamigo_Credit_BertJohnson-1-1020x680.jpg","width":1020,"height":680,"mimeType":"image/jpeg"},"twitterCard":"summary_large_image"},"tagData":{"tags":["Berkeley","Charlottesville","featured","Nathan Damigo","protest","tcr","the-california-report-featured","Trump","white supremacy"]}},"disqusIdentifier":"11611600 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11611600","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/08/14/californian-who-helped-organize-charlottesville-protests-used-berkeley-as-a-test-run/","disqusTitle":"Californian Who Helped Lead Charlottesville Protests Used Berkeley as a Test Run","path":"/news/11611600/californian-who-helped-organize-charlottesville-protests-used-berkeley-as-a-test-run","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">B\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>efore white nationalists \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/08/12/1-dead-after-car-plows-into-crowd-at-white-nationalist-protest-in-virginia/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">protested in Charlottesville\u003c/a> over the weekend, before a \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/08/13/ohio-man-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-car-attack-on-anti-white-nationalist-march/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">man allegedly plowed a car\u003c/a> into a group of people killing one and injuring at least 19, violent clashes in Berkeley offered a window into the motives and tactics of Identity Evropa, one of the white supremacist groups intimately involved in both protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For leaders of this white nationalist movement, the April 15 “Battle of Berkeley\" was a self-described test run to see just how far they could push the bounds of protesting, according to numerous \u003ca href=\"https://townhall.com/columnists/jackkerwick/2017/04/25/the-battle-of-berkeley-when-patriots-beat-the-antiamerican-left-n2317702\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">public statements\u003c/a> from members of the white supremacist movement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nathan Damigo is a founder of the California-based Identity Evropa, \u003ca href=\"http://eltecolote.org/content/en/features/alternate-reality-growing-acceptance-of-white-nationalism-in-trumps-america/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">profiled by El Tecolote newspaper\u003c/a> in December. A former Marine infantryman and convicted felon who lives in Stanislaus County, Damigo is being credited with helping to lead the Charlottesville protest, along with other white supremacist rallies around the country. Damigo has made these rallies a key driver for recruiting new members of the group. He did not respond to requests for comment on Saturday about his involvement in the Charlottesville event following his arrest there.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I’d love to take credit for it, but it was more Nathan.'\u003ccite>Richard Spencer of the white supremacy group the National Policy Institute on Nathan Damigo's organization around a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Aug. 12.\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>But over the course of multiple hourlong interviews over several months this year, Damigo, 31, said his group is engaged in peaceful protests protected by the First Amendment. Before Charlottesville, Damigo was probably best known for punching a 19-year-old woman in the face in Berkeley. That moment was \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8GVtXfATtI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">captured on video\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the video, Damigo -- sporting a hipster haircut, collared shirt and clenched fists -- runs up to a young, dreadlocked woman holding a camera and punches her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo told KQED he punched the woman because she was a threat; because she was going to attack his friends; because she was a member of Antifa, a leftist confederation of socialists and anarchists -- some of whom have committed acts of violence and arson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Essentially, Damigo said he punched her because he had to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“She joined this organization and came with her local gang from Southern California, according to statements that she made on social media, to disrupt the events and to acquire scalps,” he said. “Furthermore, she was swinging around bottles, which is a deadly weapon, a foot-long wine bottle at people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s not what KQED witnessed at the scene of the attack, however.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What began with Damigo shouting provocative calls into a megaphone quickly turned into an all-out street brawl. Damigo was screaming \"hold the line,\" \"guard the flank\" and \"advance!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo violently moved through the crowd. Smoke bombs and flash grenades and glass bottles were thrown. Thick tear gas filled the air. Leftist protesters, many of them aging men, were beat up. Police were hit with firecrackers. At one point, Antifa (wearing black hoodies and masks) and the far right (wearing red hats, flag capes and paramilitary armor) fought over who could control a dumpster that was pushed down the street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11611676\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1200px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11611676 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/C9ew14wUMAE6IKX-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A fight broke out over control of a dumpster after right- and left-wing demonstrators clashed in Berkeley on April 15. \u003ccite>(John Sepulvado/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Damigo found himself outside of the roaring street brawl he helped create. Alone for a moment, he stopped in the middle of the street. Then, he ran across the street, right up to the woman, and hit her. After she fell, Damigo turned, smiled and jumped back into the rolling scuffles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/nathan-damigo-punching-woman-berkeley-white-nationalism/\">Damigo’s involvement in the \"Battle of Berkeley\"\u003c/a> is an important moment for the white supremacist movement because it attracted supporters from around the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A large amount of the violence that has occurred may be due to the inroads we are making,\" Damigo told an interviewer after the Berkeley events.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This frenetic, violent, yet charismatic man with extreme racist views helped organize the Charlottesville rally. And he’s helping to mobilize an entire generation of white supremacists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11611748\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 441px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11611748\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"441\" height=\"495\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download.png 441w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download-160x180.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download-240x269.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/download-375x421.png 375w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 441px) 100vw, 441px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A graphic promoting the Charlottesville rally included the insignia of Damigo's group Identity Evropa in section \"I.\" of the snake.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>From Suburban California Kid to Imprisoned Felon\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Nathan Damigo was born in Lewiston, Maine. In a long conversation with KQED, he noted with irony that the community had accepted early groups of resettled refugees.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I wouldn’t call them refugees,” Damigo said. “It was one of the first places they started doing the Somali immigration relocation thing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventually, his mother moved the family to San Jose. In the South Bay, Damigo traced the beginning of his “race realist” awakening to feeling out of place in a multiracial city. He said he would feel uncomfortable in situations where he was the only white person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’d go over to a friend’s house, or something like that, and everybody’s speaking a different language,” Damigo said, “and you’re just sitting there awkwardly. There’s no connection there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11611678\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11611678\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/RS25148_20170427_NathanDamigo_credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Nathan Damigo traces the beginning of his 'race realist' beliefs to his upbringing in the diverse city of San Jose. \u003ccite>(Bert Johnson/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Damigo went to Liberty Baptist School in San Jose through his senior year. His mother worked as a teacher there. Like so many other California kids of his age, he listened to bands like Metallica and Soundgarden, watched \"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,\" and dreamed of being a pro skater.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet, as he aged, those dreams morphed into aspirations of a military career -- his father had served in the Marine Corps. Damigo said his desire to serve became more pronounced after the Sept. 11 attacks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I pretty much watched live as the second tower was hit,” he said. “That was a pretty big thing to watch.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I became disillusioned, after the Iraq War, with mainstream narratives. ... Most of [David Duke’s] arguments I just couldn’t debunk, no matter how hard I tried.'\u003ccite>Nathan Damigo, Founder of Identity Evropa\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Damigo also credited his socially conservative family, who he said raised him to have pride in the country, for influencing his decision to enlist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He would serve two deployments in Iraq in the infantry. It was on these tours that Damigo’s views on race began to be shaped by the violent conflict he saw on a daily basis -- killings, murders, explosions and misery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I saw them in Iraq, which is also a multireligious, multicultural society,” Damigo said. “And I generally saw it growing up. And it was certainly a more extreme form, but it definitely, I think, it did make me think a bit more about race and population dynamics.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The violence that began to shape Damigo’s thinking on race also killed two of his close friends in combat. According to court documents obtained by El Tecolote and KQED, Damigo began suffering acute symptoms of PTSD as a result of his exposure to the Iraq War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo blames that trauma for his decision to rob a San Diego cab driver at gunpoint after his return from Iraq.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During a psychological evaluation conducted for the court as part of the criminal case, Damigo said he attacked the cab driver, Changiz Ezzatyar, because he mistook him for an Iraqi. Damigo said the decision came after a night of solitary heavy drinking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Psychologist Heidi Kraft conducted another evaluation of Damigo after the assault. In her clinical notes, which were included in court documents from his trial, she wrote:\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'We don’t want to be seen as overly threatening.'\u003ccite>Nathan Damigo,\u003cbr>\nFounder of Identity Evropa\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>“While there is no evidence that the patient experienced psychiatric dissociation during the robbery, his PTSD symptoms were so disabling, and his use of alcohol to self-medicate was so heavy, it appears that the combination of these factors led to a serious and uncharacteristic breakdown in both insight and judgment the night of his arrest.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Kraft added that some PTSD patients engage in thrill-seeking behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Based on this Marine’s history, which is free of any behavior even remotely similar to the night of his arrest, it is likely that he may have become one of those patients,” Kraft concluded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His family strongly defended Damigo during the court hearing, and his story was featured on the HBO documentary, \u003ca href=\"http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/wartorn-1861-2010\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\"Wartorn,\"\u003c/a> as part of a broader series on post-traumatic stress disorder in veterans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It was like being dropped in a nightmare,\" his mother, Charilyn Damigo, told HBO.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"src":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/RDnews/2017/08/damigo.mp3","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/08/20170813_NathanDamigo_Credit_BertJohnson-1-1920x1280.jpg","title":"Californian Who Helped Lead Charlottesville Protests Used Berkeley as a Test Run","program":"The California Report","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo's mother and others wrote letters to the court, urging leniency and understanding from the judge. But worried that a defense centered on PTSD would fail, Damigo accepted a plea deal and was sentenced to six years in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was during that time that he started reading the words of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, who remains a white supremacist leader and was at the Charlottesville event.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I became disillusioned after the Iraq War with mainstream narratives,” Damigo said. “Most of [Duke’s] arguments I just couldn’t debunk, no matter how hard I tried.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>College Students Seen as the Key to a Separate White Homeland\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Damigo's white supremacist group -- Identity Evropa -- is based in California but has chapters on college campuses throughout the country. The group has a high visibility on campuses from San Diego to Tuscaloosa to Charlottesville. On these campuses are fliers, banners, posters and bathroom graffiti advertising Identity Evropa videos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo’s views on race and nationalism may have been shaped by the four years in prison, but in many ways they are clear echoes of older white supremacists such as Duke. In an interview with KQED, Damigo said he believes white people need their own separate country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But he added that he also wants his organization to be seen as more acceptable to a broader population. For example, Damigo has banned members of Identity Evropa from having tattoos on their faces, necks or hands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t want to be seen as overly threatening,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo also doesn’t swear, instead using words like “gosh” or “golly” in the place of expletives. And as other racists have argued for forceful relocation or purging of minority groups from American society, Damigo avoided talking about how he would create a white-only homeland.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'Universities are institutions where the cognitive elite of the youth tend to bottleneck. ... They are going to be the ones who are going to be most likely to bring about change, long-term institutional change.'\u003ccite>Nathan Damigo,\u003cbr>\nFounder of Identity Evropa\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>But he doesn’t avoid conflict. Instead -- as they did in Berkeley and Charlottesville -- Identity Evropa and aligned white supremacist groups seem to revel in goading counterprotesters into violent clashes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo also indicated that at this stage he’s more interested in recruiting members and building a durable movement than hammering out specific policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I mean, this is the stuff that will likely never happen in my lifetime,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To that end, Damigo said he is targeting college-educated white males as potential new members of Identity Evropa. That’s a big reason these rallies have been largely organized on college campuses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re not just protests. They’re recruitment drives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Universities are institutions where the cognitive elite of the youth tend to bottleneck,” Damigo said. “They are going to be the ones who are going to be most likely to bring about change, long-term institutional change.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s a strategy shared by Damigo’s friend, Richard Spencer, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">one of the most outspoken and visible members of the white supremacist movement\u003c/a>. Spencer heads the National Policy Institute, a white supremacy group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For better or for worse, I am not trying to reach each and every person who goes to a Trump rally,” Spencer told KQED prior to this weekend’s violence. “There are certainly more populist versions of the alt-right. I think it’s abundantly clear that I’m going after an elite.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This approach appears to be working for Identity Evropa, which has recruited more than 500 members at colleges across the country, according to Damigo. KQED could not independently verify that claim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Brian Levin -- a noted hate-group researcher and professor at CSU San Bernardino's Department of Criminal Justice -- said he does not believe those numbers are accurate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I wouldn't believe any membership claims by Damigo,\" Levin said. “Damigo is trying to not just be the opening act in the white supremacy movement. The membership of his group is far smaller.”\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I looked at whether white people thought black people are lazy and unintelligent, and there was an uptick in the youngest respondents. ... They’re showing a lot of prejudice, really.'\u003ccite>Jean Twenge,\u003cbr>\nSan Diego State University psychology professor, author\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>However, several prominent social scientists who have begun studying the rise of the hard right said they, too, are seeing a significant uptick of participation in racist groups.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of those researchers is Jean Twenge, a psychology professor at San Diego State University who wrote the book \"iGen.\" She said her research shows that a minority of people younger than 24 hold racist beliefs, but there has been an increase in those numbers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I looked at whether white people thought black people are lazy and unintelligent, and there was an uptick in the youngest respondents,” Twenge said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re showing a lot of prejudice, really,” she added.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Twenge is unsure why this trend is happening. But she said anecdotally, there appears to be evidence that white nationalism is taking root among young men.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Berkeley sociologist Arlie Hochschild agreed. During research for her book, \"Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right,\" she ran across a hardening of views among young men, specifically about blacks and Muslims.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There was a great anger, especially with regards to groups like Black Lives Matter or American-Islamic groups,” Hochschild said. “There is a deep-rooted belief that in the past eight years, those groups have somehow cut to the front of the line, that their needs are being placed ahead of whites, especially white men.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That anger -- that somehow white history and status in society is being displaced by minority groups and women -- was a driving force and rallying cry among white supremacists in Charlottesville, who marched with tiki torches lit to protest the removal of a Robert E. 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Three people have died, including 32-year-old Heather Heyer, allegedly run over by an apparent white supremacist. Two Virginia State Police officers -- Pilot Lt. H. Jay Cullen and Trooper-Pilot Berke M.M. Bates -- died a few hours later when their patrol helicopter crashed en route to the scene of the violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Damigo was arrested in Virginia for failing to disperse. He’s set up an online fundraiser for his legal costs related to what he describes as civil rights violations in Charlottesville.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prior to his arrest, Damigo said he was looking forward to more campus events. He told KQED one of his plans is to set up an event at UC Berkeley with Richard Spencer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The more these people kick and scream and whine and cry, the more publicity we get,” Damigo said. “Publicity is a good thing. 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