In 2011, a 17-year-old named Mishka told readers of his Facebook post that his Salem, Ore., high school was "asking for a f***ing shooting." That post and other furious outbursts triggered a quick, but deep evaluation by the school district's threat assessment unit. (Beth Nakamura for NPR)
Psychologist John Van Dreal has spent almost 30 years working with troubled kids. Still, it's always unsettling to get the kind of phone call he received one morning eight years ago as he was on his way to a meeting.
"I got a call from the assistant principal at North [Salem] High, reporting that a student had made some threats on the Internet," remembers Van Dreal, the director of safety and risk management for Salem-Keizer Public Schools in Salem, Ore.
Threats of violence in a Facebook post
"There were a number of statements about hitting people with pipes, breaking knees, bashing heads with pipes and looking for help in doing so," Van Dreal says.
And there was more.
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"F*** North Salem High School," the student had written. "Seriously, it's asking for a f***ing shooting or something."
Van Dreal says students who saw the post were frightened. They told their parents, who called the school administration. Faculty and staff were worried, too, he notes. This particular student had been in trouble before, but this time it felt different.
"They were definitely concerned and afraid," Van Dreal says.
The signs were serious enough, Van Dreal knew, that he needed to convene his entire threat assessment team — including representatives of the school administration, mental health professionals and police.
He turned his car around and immediately headed to the high school.
After the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., last year, many schools received federal funding through the Stop School Violence Act to establish a threat assessment program to help prevent school shootings and other kinds of violence.
Van Dreal's school district has been using its own version of the approach since 2000 with good success in identifying kids in crisis and getting them off the path to violence.
How to assess the risk
Threat assessment is essentially how the Secret Service responds to threats made to government officials and property, and it is increasingly being used by schools around the U.S.
In the first hours, the multidisciplinary team gathers information from interviews with the student, the student's friends, parents and teachers to evaluate the risk: Does the student have a plan to attack? Does the student have weapons? Is there a specific target?
If an action or statement of intended harm is deemed serious, a school must act quickly to prevent violence and keep everyone safe. If the student making the threat has firearms, then the team works with law enforcement officials and the student's parents to try to limit gun access.
Once the concern about immediate danger has eased, the team digs deeper into the student's background and psychological history: What is driving the student? What is the anger about? What is the situation at home and at school? Are there any underlying mental health issues?
Studies have shown that students contemplating violence are often in some kind of crisis, and the best way to move them off that path is to provide support and supervision to solve the problem.
John Van Dreal, director of safety and risk management for the Salem-Keizer Public Schools system in Salem, Ore., has intervened with more than 1,000 students in hopes of deterring violence. Of that group, he says, only one has gone on to be involved in a shooting — and only many years later. (Beth Nakamura for NPR)
Just blowing off steam?
When he was called in to investigate the case in 2011, Van Dreal and his team got to work immediately.
The student was a 17-year-old named Mishka, who "was known to be pretty aggressive and combative," says Van Dreal. (NPR is not using Mishka's full name to protect his privacy.)
Clem Spenner was the police officer on Van Dreal's team that day. "My biggest concern at that point [was] safety," says Spenner. "Is there any indication that this person is going to act before we can do some intervention?"
The Facebook post did contain some key elements the team looks for when assessing a threat's likelihood of being carried out. "We look into weapons acquisition, scheduling, soliciting help, plans [and] ongoing vendettas," explains Van Dreal. "Some of that fit for Mishka."
Meanwhile, Mishka had been pulled from class, handcuffed, searched and interrogated by the police. "The police asked me, 'OK, what's going on?' " the now-25-year-old Mishka recalls. "Was I actually intent on doing something? And I'm like, 'Nope, just blowing off steam.' "
Mishka says he had been furious that day because two of his friends had been beaten up by jocks not long before, in the boys locker room.
"And my buddies got suspended for that," he says.
He thought this was unjust because his buddies didn't start the fight, he says. And that's what he told the police officers. "I was just mad, and that's where the Facebook post came from."
The threat assessment team concluded there was no risk of a school shooting in this case. The 17-year-old had no specific plan for an attack, had never used a gun and didn't have access to one. The police confirmed that with his parents.
But they also realized this was more than just a kid ticked off about one fight. Mishka was still enraged and had a history of battling others. "He had made threats of bringing a pipe to school and hurting people with that," says Spenner. "That's a far easier thing to accomplish. I mean you can find a piece of pipe anywhere."
The school was worried about Mishka's rage, he says. "And he really was an angry young man."
Digging deeper
For the team evaluating Mishka's threat potential, it didn't matter whether the injustices he described were real or not, explains Van Dreal. To calm him down, Van Dreal knew he had to get to the root cause of Mishka's anger and understand how the teenager saw the situation. "He's the one justifying the violence and I have to get behind that and see why," says Van Dreal.
As the team interviewed Mishka, his friends, family and teachers over the next couple of days, a fuller picture emerged.
Clues in past traumas
Mishka's struggles had begun years earlier, the team learned. A boy had come up to him in middle school and tried to pick a fight, Mishka says.
"As I was turning around and saying, 'Dude, I don't want to fight,' he takes a swing and hits me directly in my eye," Mishka says. "Everything went black for a moment. And I got mad. That was the first time I actually punched a person."
The physical damage done to his eye that day is undisputed. Mishka's vision began failing, and it affected his schoolwork.
"It literally felt like I was swimming in dirty water, a dirty pool," he says.
Mishka moved to Oregon from Russia at age 5. Though he did well in school at first, he often felt he was an outsider. When he permanently lost vision in one eye after a sixth-grade classmate punched him, his anger roiled. Eventually, says Mishka — who is now 25, and working and living on his own — he was helped by a counselor "who listened." (Beth Nakamura for NPR)
Over the next two years, Mishka says, he was in and out of surgery. Even today, the two eyes look different — and he can't see out of his right eye.
He got angrier and angrier. "I was not happy with the hand I was dealt," he says. He felt that the adults in his life had failed to protect him.
As the vision issues made school more challenging, he was failing classes and felt picked on by other kids. In seventh grade, he says, some boys jumped him, and they were suspended.
"But when they came back, they got even more of their buddies," he says. "And on the way home, I got bluntly attacked. I was laying there in the dirt and the mud and was kicked like a soccer ball."
He says he ended up with an abdominal injury and more surgery.
"That is the point where I'm done with everyone," he says. "None of you could protect me, so I don't care about what you say or about your rules. That's when I became rebellious, stopped caring about authority. I don't care if you're military, or police or God himself. That's when I became a loose cannon."
By the time he got to high school, Mishka was primed to see injustice. He didn't think his teachers helped him or other students who struggled. He believed the jocks were treated better. And he was willing to right these wrongs himself.
"He had been carrying a lot of that victim identity," Van Dreal says. "He saw himself as a victim that was going to pay some people back."
Still, the team's interviews with Mishka and others revealed another side to the teen. His family was supportive, and some of his teachers liked him. They spoke of a sensitive, gentle person who was smart and eager to learn — able to think rationally. These factors gave the investigative team hope that with the right kind of help, Mishka could be turned away from violence.
But Mishka was too angry at the time to think rationally, and the situation was "headed toward a potentially violent outcome," says Van Dreal.
He and his team had to find a way to defuse the situation.
"If I'm going to change anything in his situation, arguing with him about whether or not North [Salem High] was as unjust as he thought isn't going to be constructive," he says. What Mishka needed was "a reset," the team decided. The young man would get a second chance but in a different environment.
(Left) The items Stanley Roberts, a school counselor in Salem, keeps on a small table in the corner of his office, where students come to sit and talk with him. (Right) Roberts High School is the alternative school in the Salem-Keizer school district in Oregon, where Mishka found mentor Roberts. Through Roberts' guidance, Mishka learned anger management and was able to graduate on time. (Beth Nakamura for NPR)
A new adult mentor was key
A couple of weeks after Mishka wrote that Facebook post his senior year, the district transferred him to Roberts High School, an alternative school with fewer than 100 students, where he could get more individual attention.
That's where Mishka found his first real mentor — Stanley Roberts, a behavioral analyst at the school, who works one-on-one with students.
Roberts says he remembers watching Mishka in those early days.
"A shy kid, in hiding," Roberts says. "He didn't say much — maybe hurting. And I'm like 'Hey let's talk!' "
Mishka began to stop by Roberts' office, to talk about things that had been bothering him for years. "It started out with a young man trying to prove himself," says Roberts. Mishka seemed angry at the world.
Roberts listened.
"He chose to work with me," Mishka says of Roberts. "This is a person who took time rather than point fingers, and just wanted to understand. 'Why are you the way you are?' "
School counselor Roberts remembers Mishka as angry at the world when they met, but "a shy kid, in hiding." Roberts gently pushed back against the teen's dark views. (Beth Nakamura for NPR)
Roberts says he also gently pushed back on Mishka's dark views. He would ask the young man if he truly wanted to be the guy who is angry and fighting all the time.
"Why can't you just walk away from it?" Roberts remembers asking Mishka. "As you grow older, you can."
Mishka believes Roberts turned his life around. He was a resource — a coach. "If I need to turn to someone and say, 'Hey, what do I do now?' there's someone who says, 'Hey, this is what you do now,' " says Mishka.
With time, the young man learned other ways to manage his anger and solve his problems. And he finally felt like he fit in, at the new school. There was "no such thing as [social] class, no such thing as different groups," he explains. "There are literally just — students."
The intervention worked, says Van Dreal, who continued to check in with the school about Mishka. "His demeanor changed," Van Dreal says. "He didn't get in a fight in Roberts [High]. I don't know that there were any tense moments there."
Mishka graduated from high school on time — no longer the angry kid he had been. Today he has a full-time job working for a security firm.
Mishka enjoys baking today. When he was in high school, some of his teachers told the investigative team that despite his angry outbursts, they liked him. They spoke of a sensitive, gentle person who was smart and eager to learn — able to think rationally. (Beth Nakamura for NPR)
"Threat assessment" is just the emergency response arm of a bigger preventive approach, Van Dreal explains. Schools can do a lot to reduce the risk factors for violence, too, by improving the social and emotional environment and tone of the place — not tolerating bullying and harassment, for example, and ensuring fair and limited disciplinary measures.
Van Dreal says that is how you move kids away from violence — by creating safe environments and fostering solid connections with positive role models.
Some students may also need mental health care, or other extra layers of support, Van Dreal says. But in most cases, he has found, providing the student with just one positive relationship with an adult the student trusts can work wonders.
Van Dreal says he has worked with more than 1,000 kids since helping create the threat assessment program in his Oregon school district — and has rarely seen it fail.
"Moving kids from despair to hope," he says. "That's the bumper sticker for what we do."
It may sound too simple to be true, but "it's not," Van Dreal says. "It really works."
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"content": "\u003cp>Psychologist \u003ca href=\"http://www.studentthreatassessment.org/contact-us\">John Van Dreal\u003c/a> has spent almost 30 years working with troubled kids. Still, it's always unsettling to get the kind of phone call he received one morning eight years ago as he was on his way to a meeting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I got a call from the assistant principal at North [Salem] High, reporting that a student had made some threats on the Internet,\" remembers Van Dreal, the director of safety and risk management for Salem-Keizer Public Schools in Salem, Ore.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Threats of violence in a Facebook post\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"There were a number of statements about hitting people with pipes, breaking knees, bashing heads with pipes and looking for help in doing so,\" Van Dreal says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And there was more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"F*** North Salem High School,\" the student had written. \"Seriously, it's asking for a f***ing shooting or something.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Van Dreal says students who saw the post were frightened. They told their parents, who called the school administration. Faculty and staff were worried, too, he notes. This particular student had been in trouble before, but this time it felt different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were definitely concerned and afraid,\" Van Dreal says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The signs were serious enough, Van Dreal knew, that he needed to convene his entire \u003ca href=\"http://www.studentthreatassessment.org/contact-us\">threat assessment team\u003c/a> — including representatives of the school administration, mental health professionals and police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He turned his car around and immediately headed to the high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., last year, many schools received federal funding through the \u003ca href=\"https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4909/text?format=txt\">Stop School Violence Act\u003c/a> to establish a threat assessment program to help prevent school shootings and other kinds of violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Van Dreal's school district has been using its own version of the approach since 2000 with good success in identifying kids in crisis and getting them off the path to violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How to assess the risk\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Threat assessment is essentially how the Secret Service responds to threats made to government officials and property, and it is increasingly being \u003ca href=\"https://www.dhs.gov/publication/enhancing-school-safety-using-threat-assessment-model\">used by schools\u003c/a> around the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the first hours, the multidisciplinary team gathers information from interviews with the student, the student's friends, parents and teachers to evaluate the risk: Does the student have a plan to attack? Does the student have weapons? Is there a specific target?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If an action or statement of intended harm is deemed serious, a school must act quickly to prevent violence and keep everyone safe. If the student making the threat has firearms, then the team works with law enforcement officials and the student's parents to try to limit gun access.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once the concern about immediate danger has eased, the team digs deeper into the student's background and psychological history: What is driving the student? What is the anger about? What is the situation at home and at school? Are there any underlying mental health issues?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Studies have shown that students contemplating violence are often in some kind of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/02/10/690372199/school-shooters-whats-their-path-to-violence\">crisis\u003c/a>, and the best way to move them off that path is to provide support and supervision to solve the problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53056\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 700px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53056\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-2-21_custom-e77fd2243fb93c4e273d69da08a1dc4bae78ea72-s700-c85.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"1051\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-2-21_custom-e77fd2243fb93c4e273d69da08a1dc4bae78ea72-s700-c85.jpg 700w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-2-21_custom-e77fd2243fb93c4e273d69da08a1dc4bae78ea72-s700-c85-160x240.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Van Dreal, director of safety and risk management for the Salem-Keizer Public Schools system in Salem, Ore., has intervened with more than 1,000 students in hopes of deterring violence. Of that group, he says, only one has gone on to be involved in a shooting — and only many years later. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Just blowing off steam?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he was called in to investigate the case in 2011, Van Dreal and his team got to work immediately.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The student was a 17-year-old named Mishka, who \"was known to be pretty aggressive and combative,\" says Van Dreal. (NPR is not using Mishka's full name to protect his privacy.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/clem-spenner-4035207a\">Clem Spenner\u003c/a> was the police officer on Van Dreal's team that day. \"My biggest concern at that point [was] safety,\" says Spenner. \"Is there any indication that this person is going to act before we can do some intervention?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Facebook post did contain some key elements the team looks for when assessing a threat's likelihood of being carried out. \"We look into weapons acquisition, scheduling, soliciting help, plans [and] ongoing vendettas,\" explains Van Dreal. \"Some of that fit for Mishka.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Mishka had been pulled from class, handcuffed, searched and interrogated by the police. \"The police asked me, 'OK, what's going on?' \" the now-25-year-old Mishka recalls. \"Was I actually intent on doing something? And I'm like, 'Nope, just blowing off steam.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka says he had been furious that day because two of his friends had been beaten up by jocks not long before, in the boys locker room.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"And my buddies got suspended for that,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He thought this was unjust because his buddies didn't start the fight, he says. And that's what he told the police officers. \"I was just mad, and that's where the Facebook post came from.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The threat assessment team concluded there was no risk of a school shooting in this case. The 17-year-old had no specific plan for an attack, had never used a gun and didn't have access to one. The police confirmed that with his parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they also realized this was more than just a kid ticked off about one fight. Mishka was still enraged and had a history of battling others. \"He had made threats of bringing a pipe to school and hurting people with that,\" says Spenner. \"That's a far easier thing to accomplish. I mean you can find a piece of pipe anywhere.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The school was worried about Mishka's rage, he says. \"And he really was an angry young man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Digging deeper\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the team evaluating Mishka's threat potential, it didn't matter whether the injustices he described were real or not, explains Van Dreal. To calm him down, Van Dreal knew he had to get to the root cause of Mishka's anger and understand how the teenager saw the situation. \"He's the one justifying the violence and I have to get behind that and see why,\" says Van Dreal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the team interviewed Mishka, his friends, family and teachers over the next couple of days, a fuller picture emerged.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Clues in past traumas\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka's struggles had begun years earlier, the team learned. A boy had come up to him in middle school and tried to pick a fight, Mishka says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As I was turning around and saying, 'Dude, I don't want to fight,' he takes a swing and hits me directly in my eye,\" Mishka says. \"Everything went black for a moment. And I got mad. That was the first time I actually punched a person.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The physical damage done to his eye that day is undisputed. Mishka's vision began failing, and it affected his schoolwork.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It literally felt like I was swimming in dirty water, a dirty pool,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53049\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53049\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem_phone-1-d83f2fc31347cda2374bfc64a7ed50d7be4569c5-e1550210407898.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1440\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mishka moved to Oregon from Russia at age 5. Though he did well in school at first, he often felt he was an outsider. When he permanently lost vision in one eye after a sixth-grade classmate punched him, his anger roiled. Eventually, says Mishka — who is now 25, and working and living on his own — he was helped by a counselor \"who listened.\" \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Over the next two years, Mishka says, he was in and out of surgery. Even today, the two eyes look different — and he can't see out of his right eye.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He got angrier and angrier. \"I was not happy with the hand I was dealt,\" he says. He felt that the adults in his life had failed to protect him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the vision issues made school more challenging, he was failing classes and felt picked on by other kids. In seventh grade, he says, some boys jumped him, and they were suspended.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But when they came back, they got even more of their buddies,\" he says. \"And on the way home, I got bluntly attacked. I was laying there in the dirt and the mud and was kicked like a soccer ball.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says he ended up with an abdominal injury and more surgery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That is the point where I'm done with everyone,\" he says. \"None of you could protect me, so I don't care about what you say or about your rules. That's when I became rebellious, stopped caring about authority. I don't care if you're military, or police or God himself. That's when I became a loose cannon.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the time he got to high school, Mishka was primed to see injustice. He didn't think his teachers helped him or other students who struggled. He believed the jocks were treated better. And he was willing to right these wrongs himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He had been carrying a lot of that victim identity,\" Van Dreal says. \"He saw himself as a victim that was going to pay some people back.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, the team's interviews with Mishka and others revealed another side to the teen. His family was supportive, and some of his teachers liked him. They spoke of a sensitive, gentle person who was smart and eager to learn — able to think rationally. These factors gave the investigative team hope that with the right kind of help, Mishka could be turned away from violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Mishka was too angry at the time to think rationally, and the situation was \"headed toward a potentially violent outcome,\" says Van Dreal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He and his team had to find a way to defuse the situation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If I'm going to change anything in his situation, arguing with him about whether or not North [Salem High] was as unjust as he thought isn't going to be constructive,\" he says. What Mishka needed was \"a reset,\" the team decided. The young man would get a second chance but in a different environment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53052\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53052\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/robertshighdip_custom-d7ba44be0fdbe5ee2b2d3b1c23e00980da8b59ae-e1550169811635.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1415\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">(Left) The items Stanley Roberts, a school counselor in Salem, keeps on a small table in the corner of his office, where students come to sit and talk with him. (Right) Roberts High School is the alternative school in the Salem-Keizer school district in Oregon, where Mishka found mentor Roberts. Through Roberts' guidance, Mishka learned anger management and was able to graduate on time. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A new adult mentor was key\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A couple of weeks after Mishka wrote that Facebook post his senior year, the district transferred him to \u003ca href=\"https://roberts.salkeiz.k12.or.us/\">Roberts High School\u003c/a>, an alternative school with fewer than 100 students, where he could get more individual attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's where Mishka found his first real mentor — Stanley Roberts, a behavioral analyst at the school, who works one-on-one with students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roberts says he remembers watching Mishka in those early days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A shy kid, in hiding,\" Roberts says. \"He didn't say much — maybe hurting. And I'm like 'Hey let's talk!' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka began to stop by Roberts' office, to talk about things that had been bothering him for years. \"It started out with a young man trying to prove himself,\" says Roberts. Mishka seemed angry at the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roberts listened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He chose to work with me,\" Mishka says of Roberts. \"This is a person who took time rather than point fingers, and just wanted to understand. 'Why are you the way you are?' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53055\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 700px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53055\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-15_custom-1d5ff58b932f1824dd4330534aca34f165c0b699-s700-c85.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"1051\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-15_custom-1d5ff58b932f1824dd4330534aca34f165c0b699-s700-c85.jpg 700w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-15_custom-1d5ff58b932f1824dd4330534aca34f165c0b699-s700-c85-160x240.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">School counselor Roberts remembers Mishka as angry at the world when they met, but \"a shy kid, in hiding.\" Roberts gently pushed back against the teen's dark views. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Roberts says he also gently pushed back on Mishka's dark views. He would ask the young man if he truly wanted to be the guy who is angry and fighting all the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Why can't you just walk away from it?\" Roberts remembers asking Mishka. \"As you grow older, you can.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka believes Roberts turned his life around. He was a resource — a coach. \"If I need to turn to someone and say, 'Hey, what do I do now?' there's someone who says, 'Hey, this is what you do now,' \" says Mishka.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With time, the young man learned other ways to manage his anger and solve his problems. And he finally felt like he fit in, at the new school. There was \"no such thing as [social] class, no such thing as different groups,\" he explains. \"There are literally just — students.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The intervention worked, says Van Dreal, who continued to check in with the school about Mishka. \"His demeanor changed,\" Van Dreal says. \"He didn't get in a fight in Roberts [High]. I don't know that there were any tense moments there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka graduated from high school on time — no longer the angry kid he had been. Today he has a full-time job working for a security firm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53053\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53053\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-6_custom-4f700aeedf298d305b3f79669d16ecad9ed66c46-e1550169953413.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1279\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mishka enjoys baking today. When he was in high school, some of his teachers told the investigative team that despite his angry outbursts, they liked him. They spoke of a sensitive, gentle person who was smart and eager to learn — able to think rationally. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Threat assessment\" is just the emergency response arm of a bigger preventive approach, Van Dreal explains. Schools can do a lot to reduce the risk factors for violence, too, by improving the social and emotional environment and tone of the place — not tolerating bullying and harassment, for example, and ensuring fair and limited disciplinary measures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Van Dreal says that is how you move kids away from violence — by creating safe environments and fostering solid connections with positive role models.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some students may also need mental health care, or other extra layers of support, Van Dreal says. But in most cases, he has found, providing the student with just one positive relationship with an adult the student trusts can work wonders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Van Dreal says he has worked with more than 1,000 kids since helping create the threat assessment program in his Oregon school district — and has rarely seen it fail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Moving kids from despair to hope,\" he says. \"That's the bumper sticker for what we do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It may sound too simple to be true, but \"it's not,\" Van Dreal says. \"It really works.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>NPR Senior Producer Rebecca Davis produced the audio version of this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2019 NPR. 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This particular student had been in trouble before, but this time it felt different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"They were definitely concerned and afraid,\" Van Dreal says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The signs were serious enough, Van Dreal knew, that he needed to convene his entire \u003ca href=\"http://www.studentthreatassessment.org/contact-us\">threat assessment team\u003c/a> — including representatives of the school administration, mental health professionals and police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He turned his car around and immediately headed to the high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., last year, many schools received federal funding through the \u003ca href=\"https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4909/text?format=txt\">Stop School Violence Act\u003c/a> to establish a threat assessment program to help prevent school shootings and other kinds of violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Van Dreal's school district has been using its own version of the approach since 2000 with good success in identifying kids in crisis and getting them off the path to violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>How to assess the risk\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Threat assessment is essentially how the Secret Service responds to threats made to government officials and property, and it is increasingly being \u003ca href=\"https://www.dhs.gov/publication/enhancing-school-safety-using-threat-assessment-model\">used by schools\u003c/a> around the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the first hours, the multidisciplinary team gathers information from interviews with the student, the student's friends, parents and teachers to evaluate the risk: Does the student have a plan to attack? Does the student have weapons? Is there a specific target?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If an action or statement of intended harm is deemed serious, a school must act quickly to prevent violence and keep everyone safe. If the student making the threat has firearms, then the team works with law enforcement officials and the student's parents to try to limit gun access.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once the concern about immediate danger has eased, the team digs deeper into the student's background and psychological history: What is driving the student? What is the anger about? What is the situation at home and at school? Are there any underlying mental health issues?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Studies have shown that students contemplating violence are often in some kind of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/02/10/690372199/school-shooters-whats-their-path-to-violence\">crisis\u003c/a>, and the best way to move them off that path is to provide support and supervision to solve the problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53056\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 700px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53056\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-2-21_custom-e77fd2243fb93c4e273d69da08a1dc4bae78ea72-s700-c85.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"1051\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-2-21_custom-e77fd2243fb93c4e273d69da08a1dc4bae78ea72-s700-c85.jpg 700w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-2-21_custom-e77fd2243fb93c4e273d69da08a1dc4bae78ea72-s700-c85-160x240.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Van Dreal, director of safety and risk management for the Salem-Keizer Public Schools system in Salem, Ore., has intervened with more than 1,000 students in hopes of deterring violence. Of that group, he says, only one has gone on to be involved in a shooting — and only many years later. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Just blowing off steam?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When he was called in to investigate the case in 2011, Van Dreal and his team got to work immediately.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The student was a 17-year-old named Mishka, who \"was known to be pretty aggressive and combative,\" says Van Dreal. (NPR is not using Mishka's full name to protect his privacy.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/clem-spenner-4035207a\">Clem Spenner\u003c/a> was the police officer on Van Dreal's team that day. \"My biggest concern at that point [was] safety,\" says Spenner. \"Is there any indication that this person is going to act before we can do some intervention?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Facebook post did contain some key elements the team looks for when assessing a threat's likelihood of being carried out. \"We look into weapons acquisition, scheduling, soliciting help, plans [and] ongoing vendettas,\" explains Van Dreal. \"Some of that fit for Mishka.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, Mishka had been pulled from class, handcuffed, searched and interrogated by the police. \"The police asked me, 'OK, what's going on?' \" the now-25-year-old Mishka recalls. \"Was I actually intent on doing something? And I'm like, 'Nope, just blowing off steam.' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka says he had been furious that day because two of his friends had been beaten up by jocks not long before, in the boys locker room.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"And my buddies got suspended for that,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He thought this was unjust because his buddies didn't start the fight, he says. And that's what he told the police officers. \"I was just mad, and that's where the Facebook post came from.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The threat assessment team concluded there was no risk of a school shooting in this case. The 17-year-old had no specific plan for an attack, had never used a gun and didn't have access to one. The police confirmed that with his parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But they also realized this was more than just a kid ticked off about one fight. Mishka was still enraged and had a history of battling others. \"He had made threats of bringing a pipe to school and hurting people with that,\" says Spenner. \"That's a far easier thing to accomplish. I mean you can find a piece of pipe anywhere.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The school was worried about Mishka's rage, he says. \"And he really was an angry young man.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Digging deeper\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the team evaluating Mishka's threat potential, it didn't matter whether the injustices he described were real or not, explains Van Dreal. To calm him down, Van Dreal knew he had to get to the root cause of Mishka's anger and understand how the teenager saw the situation. \"He's the one justifying the violence and I have to get behind that and see why,\" says Van Dreal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the team interviewed Mishka, his friends, family and teachers over the next couple of days, a fuller picture emerged.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Clues in past traumas\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka's struggles had begun years earlier, the team learned. A boy had come up to him in middle school and tried to pick a fight, Mishka says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"As I was turning around and saying, 'Dude, I don't want to fight,' he takes a swing and hits me directly in my eye,\" Mishka says. \"Everything went black for a moment. And I got mad. That was the first time I actually punched a person.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The physical damage done to his eye that day is undisputed. Mishka's vision began failing, and it affected his schoolwork.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"It literally felt like I was swimming in dirty water, a dirty pool,\" he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53049\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53049\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem_phone-1-d83f2fc31347cda2374bfc64a7ed50d7be4569c5-e1550210407898.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1440\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mishka moved to Oregon from Russia at age 5. Though he did well in school at first, he often felt he was an outsider. When he permanently lost vision in one eye after a sixth-grade classmate punched him, his anger roiled. Eventually, says Mishka — who is now 25, and working and living on his own — he was helped by a counselor \"who listened.\" \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Over the next two years, Mishka says, he was in and out of surgery. Even today, the two eyes look different — and he can't see out of his right eye.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He got angrier and angrier. \"I was not happy with the hand I was dealt,\" he says. He felt that the adults in his life had failed to protect him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the vision issues made school more challenging, he was failing classes and felt picked on by other kids. In seventh grade, he says, some boys jumped him, and they were suspended.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"But when they came back, they got even more of their buddies,\" he says. \"And on the way home, I got bluntly attacked. I was laying there in the dirt and the mud and was kicked like a soccer ball.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says he ended up with an abdominal injury and more surgery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"That is the point where I'm done with everyone,\" he says. \"None of you could protect me, so I don't care about what you say or about your rules. That's when I became rebellious, stopped caring about authority. I don't care if you're military, or police or God himself. That's when I became a loose cannon.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the time he got to high school, Mishka was primed to see injustice. He didn't think his teachers helped him or other students who struggled. He believed the jocks were treated better. And he was willing to right these wrongs himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He had been carrying a lot of that victim identity,\" Van Dreal says. \"He saw himself as a victim that was going to pay some people back.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, the team's interviews with Mishka and others revealed another side to the teen. His family was supportive, and some of his teachers liked him. They spoke of a sensitive, gentle person who was smart and eager to learn — able to think rationally. These factors gave the investigative team hope that with the right kind of help, Mishka could be turned away from violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Mishka was too angry at the time to think rationally, and the situation was \"headed toward a potentially violent outcome,\" says Van Dreal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He and his team had to find a way to defuse the situation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"If I'm going to change anything in his situation, arguing with him about whether or not North [Salem High] was as unjust as he thought isn't going to be constructive,\" he says. What Mishka needed was \"a reset,\" the team decided. The young man would get a second chance but in a different environment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53052\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53052\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/robertshighdip_custom-d7ba44be0fdbe5ee2b2d3b1c23e00980da8b59ae-e1550169811635.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1415\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">(Left) The items Stanley Roberts, a school counselor in Salem, keeps on a small table in the corner of his office, where students come to sit and talk with him. (Right) Roberts High School is the alternative school in the Salem-Keizer school district in Oregon, where Mishka found mentor Roberts. Through Roberts' guidance, Mishka learned anger management and was able to graduate on time. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A new adult mentor was key\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A couple of weeks after Mishka wrote that Facebook post his senior year, the district transferred him to \u003ca href=\"https://roberts.salkeiz.k12.or.us/\">Roberts High School\u003c/a>, an alternative school with fewer than 100 students, where he could get more individual attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That's where Mishka found his first real mentor — Stanley Roberts, a behavioral analyst at the school, who works one-on-one with students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roberts says he remembers watching Mishka in those early days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"A shy kid, in hiding,\" Roberts says. \"He didn't say much — maybe hurting. And I'm like 'Hey let's talk!' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka began to stop by Roberts' office, to talk about things that had been bothering him for years. \"It started out with a young man trying to prove himself,\" says Roberts. Mishka seemed angry at the world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roberts listened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"He chose to work with me,\" Mishka says of Roberts. \"This is a person who took time rather than point fingers, and just wanted to understand. 'Why are you the way you are?' \"\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53055\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 700px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53055\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-15_custom-1d5ff58b932f1824dd4330534aca34f165c0b699-s700-c85.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"1051\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-15_custom-1d5ff58b932f1824dd4330534aca34f165c0b699-s700-c85.jpg 700w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-15_custom-1d5ff58b932f1824dd4330534aca34f165c0b699-s700-c85-160x240.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">School counselor Roberts remembers Mishka as angry at the world when they met, but \"a shy kid, in hiding.\" Roberts gently pushed back against the teen's dark views. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Roberts says he also gently pushed back on Mishka's dark views. He would ask the young man if he truly wanted to be the guy who is angry and fighting all the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Why can't you just walk away from it?\" Roberts remembers asking Mishka. \"As you grow older, you can.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka believes Roberts turned his life around. He was a resource — a coach. \"If I need to turn to someone and say, 'Hey, what do I do now?' there's someone who says, 'Hey, this is what you do now,' \" says Mishka.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With time, the young man learned other ways to manage his anger and solve his problems. And he finally felt like he fit in, at the new school. There was \"no such thing as [social] class, no such thing as different groups,\" he explains. \"There are literally just — students.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The intervention worked, says Van Dreal, who continued to check in with the school about Mishka. \"His demeanor changed,\" Van Dreal says. \"He didn't get in a fight in Roberts [High]. I don't know that there were any tense moments there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mishka graduated from high school on time — no longer the angry kid he had been. Today he has a full-time job working for a security firm.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_53053\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-53053\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/mindshift/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2019/02/oregonsystem-6_custom-4f700aeedf298d305b3f79669d16ecad9ed66c46-e1550169953413.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1279\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mishka enjoys baking today. When he was in high school, some of his teachers told the investigative team that despite his angry outbursts, they liked him. They spoke of a sensitive, gentle person who was smart and eager to learn — able to think rationally. \u003ccite>(Beth Nakamura for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\"Threat assessment\" is just the emergency response arm of a bigger preventive approach, Van Dreal explains. Schools can do a lot to reduce the risk factors for violence, too, by improving the social and emotional environment and tone of the place — not tolerating bullying and harassment, for example, and ensuring fair and limited disciplinary measures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Van Dreal says that is how you move kids away from violence — by creating safe environments and fostering solid connections with positive role models.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some students may also need mental health care, or other extra layers of support, Van Dreal says. But in most cases, he has found, providing the student with just one positive relationship with an adult the student trusts can work wonders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Van Dreal says he has worked with more than 1,000 kids since helping create the threat assessment program in his Oregon school district — and has rarely seen it fail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Moving kids from despair to hope,\" he says. \"That's the bumper sticker for what we do.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It may sound too simple to be true, but \"it's not,\" Van Dreal says. \"It really works.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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