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'Communities Know Best': Climate Solutions in The South Bay Start With Listening

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Ever Rodriguez strikes a pose in front of a mural on Middlefield Road in North Fair Oaks on May 10, 2021. The mural was made by artist Jose Castro. (Beth LaBerge/KQED)

As the South Bay grapples with the impacts of climate change, people there are creating solutions by relying on arguably the most fundamental element of conversation: listening.

This process began in East Palo Alto, where community groups and scientists are helping residents understand how warming temperatures are raising water levels in the bay — already half the city lies in a federal flood zone. And the idea is now spreading to nearby communities like North Fair Oaks, a small unincorporated area of mostly neighborhoods. Soon, it will expand into a regional science project where hundreds of residents will document how climate change is altering their lives over the next five years. 

The listening project is led by Violet Wulf-Saena, founder and executive director of the nonprofit Climate Resilient Communities. Her group advocates for climate change solutions that integrate the communities most affected by warming temperatures in the Bay Area. 

“There’s a lot of power in the community,” she said. “They are the ones who are being impacted. They’re the ones who live in East Palo Alto, they know more than me. They are the experts. … Success is really about bringing the community together and finding ways where they can also be part of the process.”

Too often, she says, climate change policies are top-down approaches that forgo meaningful exchanges with the people who are going to have to live with solutions created for them.


Wulf-Saena’s primary mode for closing that gap is conversation. It works, she says, because her team looks like the communities they work with. She’s from Samoa and emigrated to the U.S. to be closer to her husband’s family nearly two decades ago.

“It’s easier for me, because I’m a person of color and I do come from the island,” she said. “They see that: ‘Oh, yeah, she’s part of us.’”

Last April, I met Wulf-Saena while speaking with residents who came to East Palo Alto after fleeing flooding and sea level rise back home in the Pacific Islands, only to find that in the coming decades they could be climate migrants for a second time. One of those residents is Appollonia Grey ‘Uhilamoelangi, known as Mama Dee.

“The last two floods over here, the question is, where was God?’ she said. “Don’t get me wrong. I believe in prayers. But I lived through so many disasters.”

I learned East Palo Alto is ahead of some other Bay Area cities in planning for rising tides — thanks in large part to the community activism of those who emigrated to this small city along the bay.

Appollonia Grey ‘Uhilamoelangi, known as “Mama Dee,” and her husband, Senita Uhila, at their home in East Palo Alto on March 29, 2021. (Beth LaBerge/KQED)

It Began in Samoa

This idea of listening isn’t new. People likely listened (or, didn’t listen) before they even learned to write. But Wulf-Saena experienced an epiphany about the power of listening when she was Samoa’s first climate change officer in the early 2000s.

The government she represented wanted to move the village of Saoluafata, located on the north side of the island Upolu, upland and away from an eroding shoreline — a problem that would be exacerbated as climate change pushed tide levels even higher. Already, residents reported waves washing away the land and encroaching on homes, according to a study titled “Seawalls in Samoa.”

While drinking kava — usually sipped to mark important occasions within Samoan society — with elders of the village in Saoluafata, Wulf-Saena quickly learned they didn’t want to move inland.

“Being able to stay on their ancestral land is more important than adapting or moving to another place where their families can be safe,” she explained. “In the end, we compromised.”

The solution? A seawall the length of 22 San Francisco city blocks constructed of boulders piled on top of sand that allowed the villagers to stay. The coastline was revegetated, the village water tank was upgraded and residents were taught about coral gardening and how to protect the reef. Residents said in the survey that the seawall solved the erosion problem, and a study suggests it was a success because the “villagers made all of the decisions.”

The big lesson for Wulf-Saena in Saoluafata was that engaging residents in climate change solutions opens the opportunity for them to thrive despite the ever-increasing climate emergency.  

“It’s really about being in their shoes … trying to understand their situations, the conflicts, and the barriers that they’re facing. And also working with them to find a way forward,” she said. 

Climate Resilient Communities Executive Director Violet Wulf-Saena at Cooley Landing Park in East Palo Alto on March 29, 2021. (Beth LaBerge/KQED)

Listening to People Around the Bay

Wulf-Saena moved to California in 2005. Shortly after she took what she learned in Samoa and began applying it to the community of East Palo Alto in San Mateo County, which out of all the Bay Area counties, is the most at risk from sea level rise. The city is one of the most vulnerable to climate-driven inundation. 

About 2.5 square miles, the city is made up of mostly one-story homes. Scientists say in about a decade two-thirds of the city may regularly flood, and by 2050, those areas could be frequently underwater during high tides.

Wulf-Saena partnered with Stanford students on a door-to-door climate survey, and she learned that the community did not understand the link between increased flooding and warming temperatures. 

“What I found was a lot of the community members didn’t know what climate change was,” she said. 

Through community meetings and one-on-one peer counseling, local organizations and the county worked to help residents connect the dots. Her team fostered community buy-in for a levee project to protect against future flooding as the bay rises, much like the sea wall in Samoa.

Still, she understands that there’s a large percentage of the population she hasn’t reached; working with other nonprofit groups, she hopes to “help residents plan and respond [to climate change].”

An apartment building in North Fair Oaks on May 10, 2021. (Beth LaBerge/KQED)

‘The Community Knows Best’

A similar listening session occurred 15 minutes north of East Palo Alto in the community of North Fair Oaks. In 2018, San Mateo County announced the community would receive a $50,000 grant to study climate change-related flooding impacts.  The contract was finalized in 2019. 

But when advocates and Stanford students once again went door to door, they were surprised with what residents like Linda Lopez, who moved to the community in 1959 when she was 9 years old, told them.

Their climate concern? Heat and smoke from wildfires, not flooding.

“I just wasn’t thinking about [sea level rise] because we’ve never had any degree of flooding,” she said. “We think we live far enough from the (San Francisco) Bay that if it did rise, it’s not going to affect us.”

Climate models show water encroaching only on the eastern edge of North Fair Oaks as the seas rise by mid-century. (Although, flooding could block roads and create other transportation problems, cutting off access to food.) 

Smaller than a couple square miles and home to roughly 15,000 people, the main drag of North Fair Oaks is a predominantly Latino area, lined with taquerias, paleterias and joyerias. But what’s noticeably missing are trees, says Ever Rodriguez, chair of the volunteer North Fair Oaks Community Council. 

North Fair Oaks borders Menlo Park to the south, which he describes as a “more affluent area” with many “beautiful oaks” and other trees.

“Here on this side, there aren’t any trees, really. Just all cement and asphalt,” he said.

This is where that fundamental part of conversation comes in again. The organizers realized they had to listen.  

Early research questions were centered around flooding, but the community insisted that the blistering heat was the more imminent problem. Organizers say the community feedback helped them convince the county that the most immediate climate risk for North Fair Oaks was heat.

Community leaders and the county began working with Canopy, a nonprofit, to reduce temperatures by planting free trees in people’s yards. Temps in North Fair Oaks, a heat island, are higher than surrounding areas.

With little shade from sparse greenery, black asphalt streets and cement sidewalks absorb sunlight, radiating heat out into the neighborhoods.

“The community knows best and I think all public servants need to be guided by listening,” Rodriguez said. 

Rodriguez is in the process of helping organize climate change ambassadors on each block of North Fair Oaks. He wants every resident to be prepared for when the effects of climate change — fire, floods, drought, smoke — inevitably worsen. 

A new tree planted in front of a home in North Fair Oaks on May 10, 2021. The tree was provided by the not-for-profit Canopy, which plants trees in urban environments in the mid-Peninsula region. (Beth LeBerge/KQED)

‘Partly a Problem of Consent’

But why is it important for scientists and government leaders to listen to communities while creating climate solutions? 

Britt Wray says listening replaces the mindset that the government or scientists know best. She studies the mental health impacts of climate change as a postdoc at Stanford University and the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. 

Wray says listening to people is about moving past the “dark legacies” that have shaped the climate crisis and figuring out “why it hurts some people more than others,” referring to the world’s dependence on fossil fuels, corporations valuing wealth over people’s health, and how low-income people are more negatively affected by a changing climate

“Domination is the predominant force in this crisis, as compared with true partnership that centers around human values like reciprocity, trust, dignity and respect,” she said.

Wray says listening empowers people to come up with climate solutions that better life at the neighborhood level. 

“We can actually start moving towards the world that isn’t the one we’ve been living in, but the one that we want to live in,” she said. “We can’t do that without listening deeply to the people who are most affected.”

For Kyle Powys Whyte, listening to people is about restoring consent. He’s an enrolled member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation in Oklahoma, and as a University of Michigan professor, he studies the moral and political issues around climate policy, and Indigenous people.

He says the issue of climate change in the country’s history “was created not just because people were addicted to the benefits of fossil fuels, but they were also addicted to getting away with taking advantage of Indigenous people and other groups without those people’s consent.”

He says the consent issue hasn’t improved and he’s concerned “that we actually haven’t gotten out of the situation that got us into the climate crisis, and it’s partly a problem of consent,” he said. 

Whyte is on the White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council advising the administration on the American Jobs Plan, which calls for 40% of the proposal’s benefits to go to communities affected by environmental justice. He says his role is to remind the team that these projects will take longer to implement because these communities already have an infrastructure deficit because of a lack of federal investment — like, inadequate roads, housing and transmission lines. 

“People haven’t listened to tribes for years and they don’t understand the current infrastructure situation that tribes are in,” he said. “They’re about to consider spending billions of dollars and it could just be wasted if our policymakers and legislators aren’t listening to what tribes are going to actually need to be able to use and benefit from the renewable energy and clean water infrastructure being advocated for right now in Washington.”

A family looks out into the bay from Cooley Landing Park in East Palo Alto on March 29, 2021. (Beth LaBerge/KQED)

The Wake-Up Call

Wulf-Saena and Stanford lecturer Derek Ouyang will soon start recruiting 500 families for a big listening project over the next five years in Redwood City, East Palo Alto, Palo Alto, and Alviso in San Jose. They’ll routinely check in with participants to see how climate change is challenging their lives. Participants have the option to be contacted through an app, over the phone or in-person. 

Ouyang had a major realization several years ago that if his research doesn’t help regular people he feels like it’s worthless. 

“Listening from the bottom up ensures that you’re identifying the most important challenges that communities are facing and the most feasible, and holistic solution,” he said. 

He hopes the study illuminates blind spots to exactly what impacts floods, heat waves and wildfires can have on the most housing insecure.

“The only way to really understand the deep underlying challenges households face is if you can really follow them for the next few years, until those events inevitably occur,” he said.

The team of scientists, students and community organizers will lead the five-year study to examine the social and psychological effects of climate exposure, while building relationships with the families as warming alters their lives. The goal is to come up with the best solutions with the families involved.

“Our hypothesis is that we’ll find that the things that work are exactly the kinds of things that organizations like Climate Resilient Communities are best poised to offer,” he said. “Because they look like the neighborhood, they’re more trusted and have built those networks already.”

He thinks that the impacts of climate change are being felt “much deeper than we like to admit right now” and could “look like [families] increasingly foregoing healthy food and the kinds of care you want to provide for your children,” he said.

Ouyang wants to examine how vulnerable communities in the South Bay really are, and if they need greater access to mental health services, sandbags for flood times, ventilators for smoky times, and cooling centers for hot times. 

Wulf-Saena says that she’s involved because she believes it will lead to solutions for people.

“I’m also on the other side protecting the interests of the communities,” she said. “I’m there thinking, ‘Okay, Stanford, this is not just a study.’ Whatever the outcome of this project will be, let’s have something that will give back to the communities that we’re going to work with.”



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