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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:41] \u003c/em>If I go to jail I’ll miss you most of all. Glenn is the hardest animal to say goodbye to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:48] \u003c/em>There’s this Instagram video that I came across recently of a UC Berkeley student and animal rights activist named Zoe Rosenberg, or Zoe Rooster on IG. And she’s petting this large chicken named Glenn, who’s sitting on her lap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:07] \u003c/em>And I hope that I will be free to celebrate his fifth birthday at the end of March. But I don’t know if I will be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:16] \u003c/em>Zoe is worried because today, she could be sentenced to prison. Zoe was found guilty of felony conspiracy after she was filmed with the animal rights group Direct Action Everywhere, taking chickens from a Sonoma County poultry facility. It’s a bizarre story that’s garnered national attention with animal welfare in Sonoma County at the center of it all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:50] \u003c/em>This has just kind of boiled up into this moment and this trial, and and and it might not be the last.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:59] \u003c/em>Today, the Berkeley animal rights activist turned convicted felon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:08] \u003c/em>Well, Dana, first off, I I just have been like thinking about this story, how wild it is, but also how it just seems like I feel like we’ve really been talking a lot about animal welfare in Sonoma County in particular in the last few years. Is it just me or does it feel like that really has sort of been the case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:30] \u003c/em>I think that definitely is the case, especially here in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:35] \u003c/em>Dana Cronin is a reporter for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:39] \u003c/em>Which is interesting because Sonoma County is also heralded as like one of the most humane places where animals are farmed. You’ve seen the cows grazing in like rolling green hills, white picket fences. Like it’s very picturesque. And most farmers there farm organically, and California holds them to really strict animal welfare laws, more strict than almost any other state in the country. So it is interesting and like kind of ironic that the county has been at the center of this animal welfare debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:26] \u003c/em>This story in particular is really centered around this activist named Zoe Rosenberg. Tell me a little bit more about Zoe and and who this person is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:36] \u003c/em>So Zoe is twenty three years old. She is currently a student at UC Berkeley and she was born in the Bay Area, but she mostly grew up in San Luis Obispo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:48] \u003c/em>I’ve always really loved animals and cared about animals and I grew up surrounded by them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:54] \u003c/em>And she’s just one of those people who has always loved animals, like from a very young age. Her mom is a veterinarian, so she’s always been around them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:04] \u003c/em>People were always showing up at our house when I was a kid with sick animals or if animals they found abandon on the street asking for my mom’s help. And she also got involved in animal activism at a really young age. I became an organizer for Direct Action Everywhere when I was 12 years old, about a year after I started Happy and Animal Sanctuary. She\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:26] \u003c/em>Says she learned about the group, Direct Action Everywhere, on social media, and they really inspired her to get involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:35] \u003c/em>I saw videos of people doing protests and talking about what’s happening to animals and I was so inspired and I knew I wanted to do activism like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:46] \u003c/em>And then she ultimately went to UC Berkeley and then became even more involved with Direct Action Everywhere since they’re based in Berkeley. And now she’s an organizer with the group and has participated in and led a lot of protests for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:05] \u003c/em>And I actually like looked through Zoe’s social media and she really is like a diehard animal rights activist. Like every single one of her posts is about chickens, about cows, just like it’s about her activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:23] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe is really active on social media. I think that’s how she’s garnered a lot of attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:31] \u003c/em>Here are five basic rights that all animals deserve to have the right to not be exploited, abused, or killed by humans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:38] \u003c/em>And if you go to her Instagram she has hundreds of thousands of followers and she posts multiple times a day, her you know, with different animals in her life, chickens, cows, goats. She very clearly Loves animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:56] \u003c/em>The right to be free or have a guardian. Take action for animals. Go to directactioneverywhere.Com.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:04] \u003c/em>Tell me a little bit more about this group that she is part of, direct action everywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:11] \u003c/em>Yeah, so this is a pretty controversial group. Like I said, they’re Berkeley-based, and their stated goal is to completely ban animal agriculture. They are most known for their attention grabbing protests. They call them quote unquote animal rescues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Direct Action Everywhere Video: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:35] \u003c/em>So today we had a successful action where we were able to rescue four birds and we’ve shut down this slaughterhouse for now. We have four activists locked to a box.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:45] \u003c/em>This is where they break into farms. They film themselves stealing animals, whether that’s chickens, cows, other livestock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Direct Action Everywhere Video: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:55] \u003c/em>Hopefully you know people who are watching this also feel inspired to take similar action because we’re not any we’re not special. We are just ordinary people who realize that there’s extreme violence happening all around us and today we’re doing something about it\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:10] \u003c/em>But you might also remember a pretty high profile protest of theirs from twenty twenty two, when actually Zoe herself ran onto the court at an NBA game and tried to super glue herself to a basket.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:24] \u003c/em>Another Minnesota Timberwolves game, another protester on the court. It’s almost becoming a regular occurrence now after another animal rights protester stormed the court during the Timberwolves and Memphis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:36] \u003c/em>That was in protest of the owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves who also owned an egg farm that Direct Action Everywhere says was abusing animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:48] \u003c/em>I mean that’s that’s pretty intense stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:50] \u003c/em>Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:53] \u003c/em>Well let’s talk about the trial, Dana, because this trial centered on an incident that happened at a Sonoma County poultry facility in twenty twenty three. What happened exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:05] \u003c/em>So this was one of their quote unquote open rescues, like I mentioned. So in this instance in particular, on June 13th, 2023, Zoe and a few of her fellow activists broke into Petaluma poultry in the middle of the night, and they took four chickens off a trailer and placed them into buckets, and then they left with them. They filmed the whole thing, they shared that video with me, and it shows Zoe dressed in protective gear. She has a hard hat on and she has a mask on, and she’s sifting through these crates of chickens that are loaded up onto a truck bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:47] \u003c/em>She’s in really bad shape. She keeps closing her eyes. She seems to be in a lot of pain when I touch her…\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:54] \u003c/em>She inspects a couple of them and then places four of them into red buckets. And Zoe told me that she chose those specific chickens because they were covered in scratches and bruises.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:09] \u003c/em>We have repeatedly reported criminal animal cruelty at Petaluma Poultry, and law enforcement have repeatedly failed to act. And we know that they aren’t going to help her. So we will.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:24] \u003c/em>And I should also note that that isn’t the only incident upon which this trial was based. Zoe was also charged with you know, in the lead up to that incident, going through the farm’s paperwork, computers, and even affixing GPS monitors onto twelve different farm delivery vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:47] \u003c/em>Oh wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:53] \u003c/em>It seems like Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere really had their sights set on this specific poultry facility. why? Why is that? Like what does Zoe and this group say that they were saving the chickens from exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:09] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere have been investigating Petaluma poultry for a really long time, like more than five years. They say that they’ve accumulated evidence over that time that shows widespread neglect and, you know, again, they say generally horrific conditions for chickens there. Things like chickens suffering from a disease that causes their legs to swell up. They also say they have evidence of chickens being boiled alive there as a result of like rapidly moving slaughter lines. I also want to note Petaluma Poultry and its owner, Purdue Farms, have denied all of these claims and any evidence of wrongdoing there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:58] \u003c/em>What was the reaction to this this action at the time, especially among farmers and and I guess maybe the community in Sonoma County that felt very targeted by direct action everywhere?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:10] \u003c/em>Yeah, I would say generally farmers in Sonoma County are just really fed up with this group, honestly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:18] \u003c/em>The activists want to tell a different story that we’re here to torture, we’re here because we’re cruel people. That couldn’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:27] \u003c/em>I talked to one farmer in particular, Mike Weber, who had his farm broken into actually by Zoe and other direct action everywhere activists in a totally separate incident. I think for him it’s more than just a nuisance. He really views it as endangering his animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:46] \u003c/em>We had hundreds of people run onto our farm here, pry the doors open to our chicken houses, run through them, grabbing chickens, coming out, holding the chickens in a way that would be a direct animal welfare violation. They weren’t supporting them properly, so the chickens are gasping for air.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:02] \u003c/em>These activists are breaking and entering. And I think, you know, a lot of farmers are also just scared to talk publicly about this. I’ve honestly had a hard time getting anyone to talk to me about this. And I think that’s for fear of being targeted by this group next.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:23] \u003c/em>And I imagine it feels, I I mean it is a direct threat to his livelihood, what they’re trying to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:29] \u003c/em>Yeah. Absolutely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:36] \u003c/em>There isn’t a widespread problem as has been alleged by these activists here. They are targeting us because we’re convenient for them. They’re forty minutes from Berkeley. They do not want to go to where the real problems are in other parts of the nation or even in other places in the state. They believe that by targeting us in a a pretty progressive county, that they can convince people that there are animal abusers here and it’s widespread. And that can’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:08] \u003c/em>We’ll have more with KQED’s Dana Cronin right after this. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:08] \u003c/em>So then how does this all sort of spiral into a trial?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:14] \u003c/em>So ultimately, Zoe was charged with four counts, the most serious of which was felony conspiracy. So, in their complaint, the Sonoma County District Attorney’s Office said that Zoe unlawfully conspired to trespass onto the farm on multiple occasions. The other three charges were all misdemeanors. Those included trespassing and damaging or tampering with a vehicle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:42] \u003c/em>What is the trial about exactly? What what is the central question?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:47] \u003c/em>So the prosecution’s case was pretty straightforward. Zoe broke these laws and she should be held accountable. It’s interesting because the central question of this trial was never really whether Zoe did these things, but why?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:06] \u003c/em>I don’t believe that what I did was a crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:09] \u003c/em>Zoe admits to doing these things. I mean, they took the video of the whole thing. So her lawyer tried to convince the jury that Zoe’s breaking of the law was justified because of the animal cruelty that they say was taking place at Petaluma Poultry, which again, Petaluma Poultry denies. Zoe and her defense team also tried to submit that evidence that they say shows animal welfare violations at Petaluma Poultry, but the judge denied that request. How long does this trial last? The jury actually came to their decision very quickly. So the trial started on September 15th. And then on October 29th, the jury convicted her on all counts. The felony and all three misdemeanor counts. She is set to be sentenced today, and she’s facing up to almost five years in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:15] \u003c/em>I remember it being really shocking, like the headline this animal rights activist is a convicted felon. What is the reaction to all this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:25] \u003c/em>Obviously, the district attorney was, of course, happy with the outcome, basically saying that Zoe got what she deserved, and that no one is above the law, no matter their beliefs or their justification for breaking the law. Petaluma Poultry and Purdue Farms have been pretty quiet. I reached out to both of them for interviews throughout my reporting, and they never agreed to one. They have released public statements. They call Direct Action Everywhere an extremist group. They say Zoe’s actions were extreme and that she deserves to be put on trial. They’ve said this is not about silencing speech. It’s about holding people accountable for unlawful activity. And that obviously wasn’t the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:43] \u003c/em>When she was convicted, what was her reaction? Was she sad? Was she scared? Like, I I can’t even imagine how that must feel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:55] \u003c/em>Talked to her since then, but she has posted numerous videos on her social media in the aftermath.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:04] \u003c/em>Prosecutors hope that this will deter people from speaking up for animals, that it will deter people from rescuing them, and I ask that you do not let it. You will continue on no matter what, until every animal is safe and happy and free.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:20] \u003c/em>She said she’s not sorry about what she did. She’s expressed no remorse. And I think she would honestly do it all again, even knowing the outcome now. Who knows how she’s really feeling on the inside? I mean, staring down jail time is scary.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:38] \u003c/em>So Dana, her sentencing is today. What could that look like for Zoe?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:43] \u003c/em>So she’s facing up to almost five years in prison. Honestly, I think it’s pretty unlikely she gets that full sentence. The DA’s office this week did ask the judge to sentence her to 180 days in jail. Their argument is that she lacks remorse for what she did, and so she should serve jail time. So we will have to just see what the judge ultimately decides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:12] \u003c/em>I mean we were talking earlier, Dana, about how these debates around animal welfare seem to have just really centered on Sonoma County in the last few years. Why do you think that is?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:26] \u003c/em>I think really in large part it’s because of this activist group, Direct Action Everywhere. I think they’ve really taken aim at Sonoma County over the past five years or so. They were the ones behind that ballot measure that you may have heard of last year, Measure J, which would have banned large farms in the county. That measure was overwhelmingly defeated by voters there. But Direct Action Everywhere garnered a lot of attention for their effort in promoting it. This group has certainly shown no sign of slowing down. In fact, I think this trial has garnered them even more attention. And as Sonoma County farmers are increasingly frustrated with these tactics, this is an example of that tension sort of coming to a head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:32] \u003c/em>Such a wild, wild story, Dana. Thank you so much for breaking it down for us. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:48] \u003c/em>There’s this Instagram video that I came across recently of a UC Berkeley student and animal rights activist named Zoe Rosenberg, or Zoe Rooster on IG. And she’s petting this large chicken named Glenn, who’s sitting on her lap.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:07] \u003c/em>And I hope that I will be free to celebrate his fifth birthday at the end of March. But I don’t know if I will be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:16] \u003c/em>Zoe is worried because today, she could be sentenced to prison. Zoe was found guilty of felony conspiracy after she was filmed with the animal rights group Direct Action Everywhere, taking chickens from a Sonoma County poultry facility. It’s a bizarre story that’s garnered national attention with animal welfare in Sonoma County at the center of it all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:50] \u003c/em>This has just kind of boiled up into this moment and this trial, and and and it might not be the last.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:59] \u003c/em>Today, the Berkeley animal rights activist turned convicted felon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:08] \u003c/em>Well, Dana, first off, I I just have been like thinking about this story, how wild it is, but also how it just seems like I feel like we’ve really been talking a lot about animal welfare in Sonoma County in particular in the last few years. Is it just me or does it feel like that really has sort of been the case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:30] \u003c/em>I think that definitely is the case, especially here in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:35] \u003c/em>Dana Cronin is a reporter for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:39] \u003c/em>Which is interesting because Sonoma County is also heralded as like one of the most humane places where animals are farmed. You’ve seen the cows grazing in like rolling green hills, white picket fences. Like it’s very picturesque. And most farmers there farm organically, and California holds them to really strict animal welfare laws, more strict than almost any other state in the country. So it is interesting and like kind of ironic that the county has been at the center of this animal welfare debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:26] \u003c/em>This story in particular is really centered around this activist named Zoe Rosenberg. Tell me a little bit more about Zoe and and who this person is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:36] \u003c/em>So Zoe is twenty three years old. She is currently a student at UC Berkeley and she was born in the Bay Area, but she mostly grew up in San Luis Obispo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:48] \u003c/em>I’ve always really loved animals and cared about animals and I grew up surrounded by them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:54] \u003c/em>And she’s just one of those people who has always loved animals, like from a very young age. Her mom is a veterinarian, so she’s always been around them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:04] \u003c/em>People were always showing up at our house when I was a kid with sick animals or if animals they found abandon on the street asking for my mom’s help. And she also got involved in animal activism at a really young age. I became an organizer for Direct Action Everywhere when I was 12 years old, about a year after I started Happy and Animal Sanctuary. She\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:26] \u003c/em>Says she learned about the group, Direct Action Everywhere, on social media, and they really inspired her to get involved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:35] \u003c/em>I saw videos of people doing protests and talking about what’s happening to animals and I was so inspired and I knew I wanted to do activism like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:46] \u003c/em>And then she ultimately went to UC Berkeley and then became even more involved with Direct Action Everywhere since they’re based in Berkeley. And now she’s an organizer with the group and has participated in and led a lot of protests for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:05] \u003c/em>And I actually like looked through Zoe’s social media and she really is like a diehard animal rights activist. Like every single one of her posts is about chickens, about cows, just like it’s about her activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:23] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe is really active on social media. I think that’s how she’s garnered a lot of attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:31] \u003c/em>Here are five basic rights that all animals deserve to have the right to not be exploited, abused, or killed by humans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:38] \u003c/em>And if you go to her Instagram she has hundreds of thousands of followers and she posts multiple times a day, her you know, with different animals in her life, chickens, cows, goats. She very clearly Loves animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:56] \u003c/em>The right to be free or have a guardian. Take action for animals. Go to directactioneverywhere.Com.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:04] \u003c/em>Tell me a little bit more about this group that she is part of, direct action everywhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:11] \u003c/em>Yeah, so this is a pretty controversial group. Like I said, they’re Berkeley-based, and their stated goal is to completely ban animal agriculture. They are most known for their attention grabbing protests. They call them quote unquote animal rescues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Direct Action Everywhere Video: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:35] \u003c/em>So today we had a successful action where we were able to rescue four birds and we’ve shut down this slaughterhouse for now. We have four activists locked to a box.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:45] \u003c/em>This is where they break into farms. They film themselves stealing animals, whether that’s chickens, cows, other livestock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Direct Action Everywhere Video: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:55] \u003c/em>Hopefully you know people who are watching this also feel inspired to take similar action because we’re not any we’re not special. We are just ordinary people who realize that there’s extreme violence happening all around us and today we’re doing something about it\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:10] \u003c/em>But you might also remember a pretty high profile protest of theirs from twenty twenty two, when actually Zoe herself ran onto the court at an NBA game and tried to super glue herself to a basket.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:24] \u003c/em>Another Minnesota Timberwolves game, another protester on the court. It’s almost becoming a regular occurrence now after another animal rights protester stormed the court during the Timberwolves and Memphis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:36] \u003c/em>That was in protest of the owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves who also owned an egg farm that Direct Action Everywhere says was abusing animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:48] \u003c/em>I mean that’s that’s pretty intense stuff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:50] \u003c/em>Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:53] \u003c/em>Well let’s talk about the trial, Dana, because this trial centered on an incident that happened at a Sonoma County poultry facility in twenty twenty three. What happened exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:05] \u003c/em>So this was one of their quote unquote open rescues, like I mentioned. So in this instance in particular, on June 13th, 2023, Zoe and a few of her fellow activists broke into Petaluma poultry in the middle of the night, and they took four chickens off a trailer and placed them into buckets, and then they left with them. They filmed the whole thing, they shared that video with me, and it shows Zoe dressed in protective gear. She has a hard hat on and she has a mask on, and she’s sifting through these crates of chickens that are loaded up onto a truck bed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:47] \u003c/em>She’s in really bad shape. She keeps closing her eyes. She seems to be in a lot of pain when I touch her…\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:54] \u003c/em>She inspects a couple of them and then places four of them into red buckets. And Zoe told me that she chose those specific chickens because they were covered in scratches and bruises.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:09] \u003c/em>We have repeatedly reported criminal animal cruelty at Petaluma Poultry, and law enforcement have repeatedly failed to act. And we know that they aren’t going to help her. So we will.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:24] \u003c/em>And I should also note that that isn’t the only incident upon which this trial was based. Zoe was also charged with you know, in the lead up to that incident, going through the farm’s paperwork, computers, and even affixing GPS monitors onto twelve different farm delivery vehicles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:47] \u003c/em>Oh wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:53] \u003c/em>It seems like Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere really had their sights set on this specific poultry facility. why? Why is that? Like what does Zoe and this group say that they were saving the chickens from exactly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:09] \u003c/em>Yeah, Zoe and Direct Action Everywhere have been investigating Petaluma poultry for a really long time, like more than five years. They say that they’ve accumulated evidence over that time that shows widespread neglect and, you know, again, they say generally horrific conditions for chickens there. Things like chickens suffering from a disease that causes their legs to swell up. They also say they have evidence of chickens being boiled alive there as a result of like rapidly moving slaughter lines. I also want to note Petaluma Poultry and its owner, Purdue Farms, have denied all of these claims and any evidence of wrongdoing there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:58] \u003c/em>What was the reaction to this this action at the time, especially among farmers and and I guess maybe the community in Sonoma County that felt very targeted by direct action everywhere?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:10] \u003c/em>Yeah, I would say generally farmers in Sonoma County are just really fed up with this group, honestly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:18] \u003c/em>The activists want to tell a different story that we’re here to torture, we’re here because we’re cruel people. That couldn’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:27] \u003c/em>I talked to one farmer in particular, Mike Weber, who had his farm broken into actually by Zoe and other direct action everywhere activists in a totally separate incident. I think for him it’s more than just a nuisance. He really views it as endangering his animals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mike Weber: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:46] \u003c/em>We had hundreds of people run onto our farm here, pry the doors open to our chicken houses, run through them, grabbing chickens, coming out, holding the chickens in a way that would be a direct animal welfare violation. They weren’t supporting them properly, so the chickens are gasping for air.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:02] \u003c/em>These activists are breaking and entering. And I think, you know, a lot of farmers are also just scared to talk publicly about this. 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And that can’t be further from the truth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:08] \u003c/em>We’ll have more with KQED’s Dana Cronin right after this. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:08] \u003c/em>So then how does this all sort of spiral into a trial?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:14] \u003c/em>So ultimately, Zoe was charged with four counts, the most serious of which was felony conspiracy. So, in their complaint, the Sonoma County District Attorney’s Office said that Zoe unlawfully conspired to trespass onto the farm on multiple occasions. The other three charges were all misdemeanors. Those included trespassing and damaging or tampering with a vehicle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:42] \u003c/em>What is the trial about exactly? What what is the central question?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:47] \u003c/em>So the prosecution’s case was pretty straightforward. Zoe broke these laws and she should be held accountable. It’s interesting because the central question of this trial was never really whether Zoe did these things, but why?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Zoe Rosenberg: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:06] \u003c/em>I don’t believe that what I did was a crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:09] \u003c/em>Zoe admits to doing these things. I mean, they took the video of the whole thing. So her lawyer tried to convince the jury that Zoe’s breaking of the law was justified because of the animal cruelty that they say was taking place at Petaluma Poultry, which again, Petaluma Poultry denies. Zoe and her defense team also tried to submit that evidence that they say shows animal welfare violations at Petaluma Poultry, but the judge denied that request. How long does this trial last? The jury actually came to their decision very quickly. So the trial started on September 15th. And then on October 29th, the jury convicted her on all counts. The felony and all three misdemeanor counts. She is set to be sentenced today, and she’s facing up to almost five years in prison.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:15] \u003c/em>I remember it being really shocking, like the headline this animal rights activist is a convicted felon. What is the reaction to all this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:25] \u003c/em>Obviously, the district attorney was, of course, happy with the outcome, basically saying that Zoe got what she deserved, and that no one is above the law, no matter their beliefs or their justification for breaking the law. Petaluma Poultry and Purdue Farms have been pretty quiet. I reached out to both of them for interviews throughout my reporting, and they never agreed to one. They have released public statements. They call Direct Action Everywhere an extremist group. They say Zoe’s actions were extreme and that she deserves to be put on trial. They’ve said this is not about silencing speech. It’s about holding people accountable for unlawful activity. And that obviously wasn’t the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:43] \u003c/em>When she was convicted, what was her reaction? Was she sad? Was she scared? 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They were the ones behind that ballot measure that you may have heard of last year, Measure J, which would have banned large farms in the county. That measure was overwhelmingly defeated by voters there. But Direct Action Everywhere garnered a lot of attention for their effort in promoting it. This group has certainly shown no sign of slowing down. In fact, I think this trial has garnered them even more attention. And as Sonoma County farmers are increasingly frustrated with these tactics, this is an example of that tension sort of coming to a head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:32] \u003c/em>Such a wild, wild story, Dana. Thank you so much for breaking it down for us. I appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dana Cronin: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:38] \u003c/em>Of course.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Summer may be long over, but what if I told you that camping in the wintertime in \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/california\">California\u003c/a> can be just as magical as in the warmer months — or even more so?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And you don’t even have to embark upon camping in snow, like you might be envisioning. While that’s certainly available if you want it, there are also a wealth of incredible campsites right here in the Bay Area — or close at hand — where the weather isn’t even all that cold in winter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>From firsthand experience, I can tell you that it doesn’t take much to convert your normal summer setup to a winter one — and it’s also much easier to get reservations to hard-to-get spots during the winter months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It can be a lot of fun as long as you come prepared,” said Lillie Oravetz, a state park interpreter II at \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=551\">Calaveras Big Trees State Park\u003c/a> in Calaveras and Tuolumne counties. “You’re gonna get cold, but it’s really beautiful.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Read on for tips from the experts, or jump straight to five great winter camping spots to start planning your winter excursion now. And remember: If you read this and the idea of pitching your tent in the colder months still doesn’t appeal, you can always \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12044161/bay-area-camping-alternatives-glamping-yurts-cabins-big-sur\">go glamping instead.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jump straight to:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Yourwintercampingequipmentchecklist\">Your winter camping equipment checklist\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#5greatwintercampgroundsneartheBayArea\">5 great winter campgrounds near the Bay Area\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>Expert tips on planning a successful winter camping trip\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: For warmer winter climates, head to the coast — but still check the weather forecast\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Therese Cools, park aide for \u003ca href=\"http://parks.ca.gov/?page_id=451\">Sonoma Coast State Park\u003c/a>, said the Sonoma Coast can get some of its best weather in the winter, with blue skies overhead and less wind than usual.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But be aware: That area does get heavy rains starting in January, so don’t forget to check the weather forecast ahead of time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064308\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064308\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping.png 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping-160x107.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping-1536x1024.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Costanoa Lodge & Camp offers year-round hot showers, hot meals and even a sauna. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Costanoa Lodge & Camp)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“If it’s raining heavily, it’s not a great place” for camping, Cools said, “But when there’s not a storm coming through, it’s beautiful.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>November is also crabbing season on the coast, so if you’d like a fresh catch, come this month. Or for a front seat for \u003ca href=\"https://www.bodegabay.com/tides/what-is-a-king-tide/\">California’s famed King Tides\u003c/a>, plan your trip for January, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wintertime isn’t the best for water sports, so unless you’re an expert, you may want to leave your surfboard at home and plan to stay out of the ocean altogether. But you should bring your binoculars, as there’s a wealth of seabirds and other wildlife to explore on the Sonoma Coast, many of which spend the \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/451/files/SonomaCoastSPFinalWebLayout2017.pdf\">winter on the coast in large flocks.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Unless you’re ready for snow, avoid the mountains\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’re planning on heading to higher ground, know it’s likely to snow. In Calaveras, which is 4,600 feet above sea level, “it’s pretty unpredictable when we will get snow,” Oravetz said — “but we can guarantee at \u003cem>some \u003c/em>point there’ll be snow.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And conditions can change rapidly at high elevations, so don’t just check the weather once a few weeks out, Oravetz warned. Double check the forecast regularly, “a couple of days in advance” for a more accurate forecast, she cautioned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don’t forget: No matter where you’re going, but especially if you are planning to go up high in elevation, be sure to check nighttime temperatures ahead of time and be prepared for below-freezing nights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Make a plan — and a plan B\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rachel Borick, operations manager at private campground \u003ca href=\"https://www.costanoa.com/\">Costanoa\u003c/a> on the San Mateo County coast, said her number one piece of advice for winter camping is: “Be prepared and always have a backup plan.”[aside postID=news_11972590 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/01/GettyImages-1358858502-1020x507.jpg']On the coast, that might mean preparing for heavy rains in the winter. In the mountains, you’ll need to prepare for snow and below-freezing conditions as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even “a rainy day spent in a tent with the right supplies can be more memorable than a perfectly sunny day on the trails,” she said. “Having an open mind and leaning in to what Mother Nature provides is vital.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Know where you’re going and what you’re planning to do, but make sure you have other options in case your trailhead is no longer accessible — or if \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11937204/lake-tahoe-weather-forecast-road-conditions-snow-chains\">winter weather makes travel downright unsafe\u003c/a>. Take note of towns with services like gas stations and hotels near your camping destination, just in case you need to bail on your plans outright and hunker down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don’t forget that many campgrounds and wilderness areas have no cellphone service — so in winter, it’s especially important to know your exit routes and bailout points ahead of time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Bring layers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No matter where you’re going, remember to bring waterproof and windproof gear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Calaveras’ Oravetz went one step further and advised campers to come prepared for almost \u003cem>any \u003c/em>weather. “Sometimes it might snow, but then be pretty warm the next day, and we don’t want people to overheat,” she cautioned\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brian Low is the general manager at \u003ca href=\"https://www.club.urbandiversion.com/\">Club Urban Diversion,\u003c/a> a Bay Area-based social club that organizes all sorts of outdoor trips, including winter camping. Low said his winter packing list varies by location, but “no matter what the forecast is showing, you’re always going to want to pack some sort of rain gear,” he said. And don’t forget insulating layers to go underneath for warmth, too, urged Low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Layers are the most efficient way to pack for winter camping “because it’s easy to either layer up to get warmer, or easy to take off layers to adjust your body heat to make sure that you’re not getting too warm or too cold,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064309\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064309\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1297\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping.png 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping-160x108.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping-1536x1038.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A camper digs out a tent site from snow in the Sierra Nevada, on the Tahoe Rim Trail. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Brian Low)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Pack smart, and bring backup gear\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Calaveras’ Oravetz said starting in November, anyone traveling up to the higher elevations should bring chains for their car, “just in case.” That goes for extra fuel in your car, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You could come up for a couple of days here or go further up the mountain, and then a snowstorm comes in,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’re parking on the side of the road and not at a campsite, be aware of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11972590/with-tahoe-winter-storm-warning-this-weekend-what-to-know-about-avalanche-risk\">potential avalanche areas\u003c/a> and snowplow routes. Low warned — you don’t want to return to your car only to find it buried.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low said some auto shops like Les Schwab even allow you to buy chains and return them at the end of the season for a full refund if you never end up using them. You can \u003ca href=\"https://dot.ca.gov/travel/winter-driving-tips/chain-controls\">check chain controls\u003c/a> online and learn how to properly install chains on \u003ca href=\"https://quickmap.dot.ca.gov/\">Caltrans’s website\u003c/a>, and read more about \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11937204/lake-tahoe-weather-forecast-road-conditions-snow-chains\">preparing to drive in wintry conditions with our KQED guide\u003c/a>.[aside postID=news_11937204 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/02/GettyImages-2013486739-1020x765-1-672x372.jpg']Bring or plan to store extra water, Oravetz said, since the pipes at some campgrounds, like Calaveras’, can freeze, so the only available water is at a central location. And remember that even in the winter, you need to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12002429/california-camping-tahoe-yosemite-bears-safety-what-to-do-bear-spray\">store your food safely away from bears \u003c/a>in bear canisters or food lockers provided at each campsite.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The upside? There shouldn’t be too many bugs in the winter, so you can leave your DEET at home. But remember that the sun sets early in the winter, so make sure to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12040242/start-backpacking-trails-bay-area-near-me-permits#backpacking-gear\">bring ample light and something to do \u003c/a>during the night hours, like a deck of cards or a book to read.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staying warm at night is important, Low said — and one way to stay toasty that might surprise you is to get up and out of your tent as soon as you realize you have to pee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because your body is sending energy to your bladder that could otherwise be used to keep you warm, he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s a lot better to just actually bite the bullet, get out of your tent, put on your shoes and just go pee,” he said. “At the end of the day, you’ll be a lot happier because you’ll sleep better, you’ll be warmer.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just remember that even in winter, you have to properly dispose of any and all waste — that includes any trash, food waste and especially poop — as \u003cem>anything \u003c/em>buried in snow is \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1995954/at-hidden-tahoe-lab-scientists-learn-the-art-of-measuring-snow\">headed for a waterway come spring. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In general, if you have any questions — or are at all worried about winter camping — you can always call ahead to the campground or wilderness area for advice on that particular spot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Winters, especially snow camping, can be very intimidating for people just because of the temperatures,” Low said. “But with the right gear list and the right techniques, then you can really have an amazing time.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Yourwintercampingequipmentchecklist\">\u003c/a>Your winter and snow camping gear checklist\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As an expert in \u003ca href=\"https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/winter-camping.html\">winter camping\u003c/a>, Low recommends bringing these items for your next cold-weather or snow trip:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A zero-degree sleeping bag, or warmer\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Remember:\u003ca href=\"https://seatosummit.eu/blogs/technical-features/sleeping-bag-temperature-ratings-explained?srsltid=AfmBOoq8aSMfu00UzxMidRbQTDFIPJwqxUtbJFjMSDxLe_JBQzMxRtj9\"> the ratings on sleeping bags\u003c/a> tell you the temperature at which it will keep you \u003cem>alive\u003c/em>, not comfortable: “Generally speaking, you want a zero-degree bag for anywhere that it’s going to be below 30 degrees,” Low said. “It’s better to have a bag that is a little too warm and not warm enough.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064310\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1939px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064310\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1939\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park.png 1939w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park-160x106.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park-1536x1014.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1939px) 100vw, 1939px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Pescadero Creek in San Mateo County’s Memorial Park, which maintains an all-year campground. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of San Mateo County Parks Department)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>If you’re still worried about warmth, a \u003cstrong>sleeping bag liner\u003c/strong> can add five or 10 degrees of warmth to the bag you might already have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Synthetic or wool clothing to hike and sleep in\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Forget cotton, Low said, because once you sweat in it, or it gets wet, cotton takes a really long time to dry out. If you’re backpacking or going for a long hike, abide by the saying “be bold, start cold” by peeling off layers before they get drenched in sweat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And if you’ve just gotten back from a hike and are overly warm, take that opportunity to remove any sweaty items and change into your warmest clothes, including a beanie and gloves — to best retain your body heat all evening long.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sunglasses \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So you can avoid \u003ca href=\"https://www.aao.org/eye-health/diseases/photokeratitis-snow-blindness\">snow blindness\u003c/a> when it’s sunny out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A first aid kit \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>… and knowledge of not only what’s in it, but how to use it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A bear canister \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For food storage, if one is required, where you’re camping.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/how-to-choose-backpacking-fuel.html\">\u003cstrong>liquid fuel stove\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low recommends this type of stove over a more typical backpacking gas fuel stove because the fuel canister will maintain its pressure and perform better at cold temperatures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to cooking, you can use your stove to melt snow for drinking water, but remember to find a clean, undisturbed patch of snow — and to be extra safe, you can always boil the water before drinking it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Microspikes, crampons or snowshoes\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For traction underfoot, \u003ca href=\"https://www.backpacker.com/skills/beginner-skills/choosing-between-microspikes-crampons-snowshoes-for-winter-hikes/\">depending on your activity.\u003c/a> Low said he loves using microspikes for walking around camp in slippery conditions because they keep you on your feet while not being as clunky as snowshoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lots of food\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eating a good amount of calories will keep you warm, and cooking up a hot meal of fresh — not dehydrated — food can make your evening that much more enjoyable, Low said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A doubled-up sleeping pad\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low said that one of his guiding colleagues — who’s summited Denali, the highest mountain in North America — swears by putting an inflatable pad underneath a foam pad for the warmest night’s sleep. (Don’t forget to check the “\u003ca href=\"https://www.switchbacktravel.com/info/sleeping-pad-r-value\">R value\u003c/a>” of any pad you bring — that will tell you its warmth).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low even recommends inflating your pad with a small pump instead of blowing it up by mouth, to keep out condensation, which can freeze inside your pad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A small shovel\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If the snow is deep where you’re camping, bring something with which you can dig out a seating area, kitchen and even a trash bag-lined toilet to use, as recommended by Low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any durable tent \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any model \u003c/strong>will do, Low said — even \u003ca href=\"https://winterbackpacking.com/3-season-vs-4-season-tents/\">\u003cstrong>a three-season tent\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>, so long as heavy snow isn’t in the forecast. When to consider a four-season tent instead: If you know you’ll be out in a heavy storm with the risk of high winds, or snowfall that could pile up and break your tent poles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A Nalgene-style water bottle \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before going to bed, a bottle like this can be filled up with boiling water, screwed nice and tight and placed inside your sleeping bag to act as a heater. Just remember to wrap it in a sock, so you don’t get burned by accident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hand and toe warmers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Typically used by skiers, these are perfect for placing inside clothes or a sleeping bag for warmth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Plastic bags\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Use these to keep your socks dry in your boots, if they’re not as waterproof as they need to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/gaiters.html\">\u003cstrong>Gaiters\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To keep snow out of low-cut shoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"5greatwintercampgroundsneartheBayArea\">\u003c/a>5 beautiful wintertime camping spots to try this year\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sonoma Coast State Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both \u003ca href=\"https://www.sonomacounty.com/profiles/bodega-dunes-campground/\">Bodega Dunes\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sonomacounty.com/profiles/wrights-beach-campgrounds/\">Wright’s Beach\u003c/a> at \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=451\">Sonoma Coast State Park\u003c/a> are open all winter long to campers and RVers, although they don’t have hookups. Campsites start at $45 per night and reservations can be made on \u003ca href=\"https://reservecalifornia.com/Web/\">ReserveCalifornia.\u003c/a> Both campgrounds allow campfires all year round.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Park aid Cools said while Wright’s Beach fills up more quickly, Bodega Dunes tends to have more availability on winter weekends — and weekday reservations are easy to get in the winter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064314\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064314\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1276\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park.png 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park-160x106.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park-1536x1021.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Homestead Trail in San Mateo County’s Memorial Park, which maintains an all-year campground. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of San Mateo County Parks Department)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“During the winter, the Sonoma Coast can be really nice with blue skies — and it tends to be less windy,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yosemite National Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Itching to experience \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/winter.htm\">Yosemite\u003c/a> without the craziness of summer crowds? Winter might be your best bet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I love to go to Yosemite in the wintertime,” Low said. “It is so beautiful, and you can get a piece of Yosemite all to yourself without a person in sight.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tioga Road and the road to Glacier Point — and much of the upper areas of the park — close during the early months of winter. But if you want to soak in the snow-dusted granite walls from Yosemite Valley, you can \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/camping.htm\">make a reservation (typically $35 per night) or try your luck at first-come, first-served campgrounds\u003c/a> in the park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or, take Low’s suggestion and get a wilderness permit to \u003ca href=\"https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/dewey-point-trail--4\">backpack into Dewey Point\u003c/a> or along any route off Glacier Point Road once the first five miles of road to Badger Pass Ski Area are plowed (check the \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/conditions.htm\">park website \u003c/a>or call 209-372-0200 for status updates) and the rest is groomed for cross-country skiing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just remember: \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wildwinter.htm\">You must camp at least one mile away from any plowed road. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How often do you get to go to a place that’s as busy as Yosemite and camp in a spot where there’s not another soul around for as far as you can see?” Low said. “Waking up to see Half Dome or to see El Cap and watching the sun rise on the dawn wall while having a cup of coffee or tea is spectacular.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Calaveras Big Trees State Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Located on Highway 4 in the Sierra Nevada range, \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=551\">Calaveras Big Trees State Park\u003c/a> — known for its massive sequoia trees — is open all year round. That said, some camp spots and parts of the park \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/551/files/CalaverasSkiCampgrdFlyerLR.pdf\">close to cars\u003c/a> after the first significant snowfall or by Dec. 1, Oravetz said. This includes Parkway Road, which closes off access to the Stanislaus River and two groves of big trees, plus a couple of picnic areas and some camping. But those areas are still accessible to snowshoers and cross-country skiers, she said — so your sense of adventure could be rewarded by having these beautiful areas devoid of summer crowds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Oravetz recommends the \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/calaveras-north-grove-trail\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/calaveras-north-grove-trail\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">North Grove Trail\u003c/a> for visitors looking to wander among the big trees on snowshoes or cross-country skis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The snow is beautiful against the giant sequoias,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But be warned, the trail is popular with visitors and locals alike, and can get quite busy between Christmas and the New Year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That area is not open to general snowplay, so Oravetz recommends heading to \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=22403\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=22403\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">Parkway Road\u003c/a> instead to sled, build snowmen or start a snowball fight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reservations for family campsites are $35 and can be made on \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"http://reservecalifornia.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"http://ReserveCalifornia.com\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">ReserveCalifornia.com\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>San Mateo’s Memorial Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Among the redwoods of \u003ca href=\"https://www.smcgov.org/parks/memorial-park\">Memorial Park\u003c/a> in San Mateo County, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.smcgov.org/parks/facility/family-camping-memorial-park\">Azalea Flat\u003c/a> campground stays open all year long while other nearby camping areas close for the winter. RVs, trailers and campfires are allowed, and buying wood to burn at the park is recommended to avoid spreading bugs from park to park, said Carla Schoof, spokesperson for San Mateo County Parks Department.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schoof said while the park gets crowded in summer, it’s not so full in the winter, which can make it feel extra peaceful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s relatively easy to get to, but you really do feel like you’re far away,” she said. “You are deep in the Santa Cruz Mountain Range, surrounded by redwoods.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plus, the nearby towns of Loma Mar and Pescadero offer opportunities to get supplies and explore — which may be extra necessary in the winter, when Memorial Park’s camp store is closed, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At \u003ca href=\"https://www.smcgov.org/parks/memorial-park-history\">over a century old\u003c/a>, the park is “a special place to a lot of people … who’ve been going camping there since they were pretty small,” Schoof said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Park rangers are happy to answer questions about park conditions and camping. They can be reached at 650-879-0238, Schoof said, and reservations can also be made \u003ca href=\"https://secure.itinio.com/sanmateo/memorial-park\">online\u003c/a> and are $32 per night in the off-season.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Costanoa Lodge & Camp\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’d like a more bougie experience (and who could blame you?), the \u003ca href=\"https://www.costanoa.com/\">Costanoa\u003c/a> private campgrounds on the San Mateo County coast are known for their “failproof camping,” Borick, the camping and glamping resort’s operations manager, said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But still, prepare for anything: “You could end up with a full storm, huddled with your campmates, hot cocoa in hand, with a story to tell — or out on a muddy trail with the spectacular view of a clear winter’s day, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Having a beach all to yourself, or the top of a viewpoint with the silence surrounding you, can be truly worth the invigoration of a winter camping trip,” Borick said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the winter season brings abundant bird migrations and elephant seal pupping at nearby \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=523\">Año Nuevo State Park\u003c/a> that can even be heard from the property, Borick said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In any case, the private campground has year-round hot showers, hot meals and even a sauna. And if you get tired of braving the elements, you can always \u003ca href=\"https://reservations.costanoa.com/costanoa/?dl_cd=eyJrdiI6IktWX2MxYTExZjBhZTg2Y2M1YTQ3ZmJkNGY4MDExYmMwN2ViIiwiYWNjSWQiOiJhYzZmZWEyZi1hMjcxLTRlNmUtOTUxNy00YTQxNzMwYWJiNjEiLCJpc1ByZXZpZXciOmZhbHNlLCJleHAiOjE3NjIyMTc5MzQyMzd9&_gl=1*utn68e*_ga*Nzc2NzI0MTM5LjE3NjIyMDUwNTI.*_ga_GZX22LK6FD*czE3NjIyMTY4MTgkbzIkZzEkdDE3NjIyMTc5MTYkajYwJGwwJGgw\">upgrade to a glamping tent, cabin or a room in the lodge. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It can be a lot of fun as long as you come prepared,” said Lillie Oravetz, a state park interpreter II at \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=551\">Calaveras Big Trees State Park\u003c/a> in Calaveras and Tuolumne counties. “You’re gonna get cold, but it’s really beautiful.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Read on for tips from the experts, or jump straight to five great winter camping spots to start planning your winter excursion now. And remember: If you read this and the idea of pitching your tent in the colder months still doesn’t appeal, you can always \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12044161/bay-area-camping-alternatives-glamping-yurts-cabins-big-sur\">go glamping instead.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jump straight to:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Yourwintercampingequipmentchecklist\">Your winter camping equipment checklist\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#5greatwintercampgroundsneartheBayArea\">5 great winter campgrounds near the Bay Area\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>Expert tips on planning a successful winter camping trip\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: For warmer winter climates, head to the coast — but still check the weather forecast\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Therese Cools, park aide for \u003ca href=\"http://parks.ca.gov/?page_id=451\">Sonoma Coast State Park\u003c/a>, said the Sonoma Coast can get some of its best weather in the winter, with blue skies overhead and less wind than usual.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But be aware: That area does get heavy rains starting in January, so don’t forget to check the weather forecast ahead of time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064308\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064308\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping.png 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping-160x107.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Costanoa-camping-1536x1024.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Costanoa Lodge & Camp offers year-round hot showers, hot meals and even a sauna. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Costanoa Lodge & Camp)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“If it’s raining heavily, it’s not a great place” for camping, Cools said, “But when there’s not a storm coming through, it’s beautiful.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>November is also crabbing season on the coast, so if you’d like a fresh catch, come this month. Or for a front seat for \u003ca href=\"https://www.bodegabay.com/tides/what-is-a-king-tide/\">California’s famed King Tides\u003c/a>, plan your trip for January, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wintertime isn’t the best for water sports, so unless you’re an expert, you may want to leave your surfboard at home and plan to stay out of the ocean altogether. But you should bring your binoculars, as there’s a wealth of seabirds and other wildlife to explore on the Sonoma Coast, many of which spend the \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/451/files/SonomaCoastSPFinalWebLayout2017.pdf\">winter on the coast in large flocks.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Unless you’re ready for snow, avoid the mountains\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’re planning on heading to higher ground, know it’s likely to snow. In Calaveras, which is 4,600 feet above sea level, “it’s pretty unpredictable when we will get snow,” Oravetz said — “but we can guarantee at \u003cem>some \u003c/em>point there’ll be snow.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And conditions can change rapidly at high elevations, so don’t just check the weather once a few weeks out, Oravetz warned. Double check the forecast regularly, “a couple of days in advance” for a more accurate forecast, she cautioned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don’t forget: No matter where you’re going, but especially if you are planning to go up high in elevation, be sure to check nighttime temperatures ahead of time and be prepared for below-freezing nights.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Make a plan — and a plan B\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rachel Borick, operations manager at private campground \u003ca href=\"https://www.costanoa.com/\">Costanoa\u003c/a> on the San Mateo County coast, said her number one piece of advice for winter camping is: “Be prepared and always have a backup plan.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>On the coast, that might mean preparing for heavy rains in the winter. In the mountains, you’ll need to prepare for snow and below-freezing conditions as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even “a rainy day spent in a tent with the right supplies can be more memorable than a perfectly sunny day on the trails,” she said. “Having an open mind and leaning in to what Mother Nature provides is vital.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Know where you’re going and what you’re planning to do, but make sure you have other options in case your trailhead is no longer accessible — or if \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11937204/lake-tahoe-weather-forecast-road-conditions-snow-chains\">winter weather makes travel downright unsafe\u003c/a>. Take note of towns with services like gas stations and hotels near your camping destination, just in case you need to bail on your plans outright and hunker down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Don’t forget that many campgrounds and wilderness areas have no cellphone service — so in winter, it’s especially important to know your exit routes and bailout points ahead of time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Bring layers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No matter where you’re going, remember to bring waterproof and windproof gear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Calaveras’ Oravetz went one step further and advised campers to come prepared for almost \u003cem>any \u003c/em>weather. “Sometimes it might snow, but then be pretty warm the next day, and we don’t want people to overheat,” she cautioned\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brian Low is the general manager at \u003ca href=\"https://www.club.urbandiversion.com/\">Club Urban Diversion,\u003c/a> a Bay Area-based social club that organizes all sorts of outdoor trips, including winter camping. Low said his winter packing list varies by location, but “no matter what the forecast is showing, you’re always going to want to pack some sort of rain gear,” he said. And don’t forget insulating layers to go underneath for warmth, too, urged Low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Layers are the most efficient way to pack for winter camping “because it’s easy to either layer up to get warmer, or easy to take off layers to adjust your body heat to make sure that you’re not getting too warm or too cold,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064309\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064309\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1297\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping.png 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping-160x108.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Sierra-snow-camping-1536x1038.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A camper digs out a tent site from snow in the Sierra Nevada, on the Tahoe Rim Trail. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Brian Low)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tip: Pack smart, and bring backup gear\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Calaveras’ Oravetz said starting in November, anyone traveling up to the higher elevations should bring chains for their car, “just in case.” That goes for extra fuel in your car, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You could come up for a couple of days here or go further up the mountain, and then a snowstorm comes in,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’re parking on the side of the road and not at a campsite, be aware of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11972590/with-tahoe-winter-storm-warning-this-weekend-what-to-know-about-avalanche-risk\">potential avalanche areas\u003c/a> and snowplow routes. Low warned — you don’t want to return to your car only to find it buried.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low said some auto shops like Les Schwab even allow you to buy chains and return them at the end of the season for a full refund if you never end up using them. You can \u003ca href=\"https://dot.ca.gov/travel/winter-driving-tips/chain-controls\">check chain controls\u003c/a> online and learn how to properly install chains on \u003ca href=\"https://quickmap.dot.ca.gov/\">Caltrans’s website\u003c/a>, and read more about \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11937204/lake-tahoe-weather-forecast-road-conditions-snow-chains\">preparing to drive in wintry conditions with our KQED guide\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Bring or plan to store extra water, Oravetz said, since the pipes at some campgrounds, like Calaveras’, can freeze, so the only available water is at a central location. And remember that even in the winter, you need to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12002429/california-camping-tahoe-yosemite-bears-safety-what-to-do-bear-spray\">store your food safely away from bears \u003c/a>in bear canisters or food lockers provided at each campsite.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The upside? There shouldn’t be too many bugs in the winter, so you can leave your DEET at home. But remember that the sun sets early in the winter, so make sure to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12040242/start-backpacking-trails-bay-area-near-me-permits#backpacking-gear\">bring ample light and something to do \u003c/a>during the night hours, like a deck of cards or a book to read.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staying warm at night is important, Low said — and one way to stay toasty that might surprise you is to get up and out of your tent as soon as you realize you have to pee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because your body is sending energy to your bladder that could otherwise be used to keep you warm, he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s a lot better to just actually bite the bullet, get out of your tent, put on your shoes and just go pee,” he said. “At the end of the day, you’ll be a lot happier because you’ll sleep better, you’ll be warmer.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just remember that even in winter, you have to properly dispose of any and all waste — that includes any trash, food waste and especially poop — as \u003cem>anything \u003c/em>buried in snow is \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1995954/at-hidden-tahoe-lab-scientists-learn-the-art-of-measuring-snow\">headed for a waterway come spring. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In general, if you have any questions — or are at all worried about winter camping — you can always call ahead to the campground or wilderness area for advice on that particular spot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Winters, especially snow camping, can be very intimidating for people just because of the temperatures,” Low said. “But with the right gear list and the right techniques, then you can really have an amazing time.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Yourwintercampingequipmentchecklist\">\u003c/a>Your winter and snow camping gear checklist\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As an expert in \u003ca href=\"https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/winter-camping.html\">winter camping\u003c/a>, Low recommends bringing these items for your next cold-weather or snow trip:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A zero-degree sleeping bag, or warmer\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Remember:\u003ca href=\"https://seatosummit.eu/blogs/technical-features/sleeping-bag-temperature-ratings-explained?srsltid=AfmBOoq8aSMfu00UzxMidRbQTDFIPJwqxUtbJFjMSDxLe_JBQzMxRtj9\"> the ratings on sleeping bags\u003c/a> tell you the temperature at which it will keep you \u003cem>alive\u003c/em>, not comfortable: “Generally speaking, you want a zero-degree bag for anywhere that it’s going to be below 30 degrees,” Low said. “It’s better to have a bag that is a little too warm and not warm enough.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064310\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1939px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064310\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1939\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park.png 1939w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park-160x106.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Pescadero-Creek-Memorial-Park-1536x1014.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1939px) 100vw, 1939px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Pescadero Creek in San Mateo County’s Memorial Park, which maintains an all-year campground. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of San Mateo County Parks Department)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>If you’re still worried about warmth, a \u003cstrong>sleeping bag liner\u003c/strong> can add five or 10 degrees of warmth to the bag you might already have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Synthetic or wool clothing to hike and sleep in\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Forget cotton, Low said, because once you sweat in it, or it gets wet, cotton takes a really long time to dry out. If you’re backpacking or going for a long hike, abide by the saying “be bold, start cold” by peeling off layers before they get drenched in sweat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And if you’ve just gotten back from a hike and are overly warm, take that opportunity to remove any sweaty items and change into your warmest clothes, including a beanie and gloves — to best retain your body heat all evening long.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sunglasses \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So you can avoid \u003ca href=\"https://www.aao.org/eye-health/diseases/photokeratitis-snow-blindness\">snow blindness\u003c/a> when it’s sunny out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A first aid kit \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>… and knowledge of not only what’s in it, but how to use it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A bear canister \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For food storage, if one is required, where you’re camping.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/how-to-choose-backpacking-fuel.html\">\u003cstrong>liquid fuel stove\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low recommends this type of stove over a more typical backpacking gas fuel stove because the fuel canister will maintain its pressure and perform better at cold temperatures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to cooking, you can use your stove to melt snow for drinking water, but remember to find a clean, undisturbed patch of snow — and to be extra safe, you can always boil the water before drinking it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Microspikes, crampons or snowshoes\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For traction underfoot, \u003ca href=\"https://www.backpacker.com/skills/beginner-skills/choosing-between-microspikes-crampons-snowshoes-for-winter-hikes/\">depending on your activity.\u003c/a> Low said he loves using microspikes for walking around camp in slippery conditions because they keep you on your feet while not being as clunky as snowshoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Lots of food\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eating a good amount of calories will keep you warm, and cooking up a hot meal of fresh — not dehydrated — food can make your evening that much more enjoyable, Low said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A doubled-up sleeping pad\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low said that one of his guiding colleagues — who’s summited Denali, the highest mountain in North America — swears by putting an inflatable pad underneath a foam pad for the warmest night’s sleep. (Don’t forget to check the “\u003ca href=\"https://www.switchbacktravel.com/info/sleeping-pad-r-value\">R value\u003c/a>” of any pad you bring — that will tell you its warmth).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Low even recommends inflating your pad with a small pump instead of blowing it up by mouth, to keep out condensation, which can freeze inside your pad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A small shovel\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If the snow is deep where you’re camping, bring something with which you can dig out a seating area, kitchen and even a trash bag-lined toilet to use, as recommended by Low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any durable tent \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Any model \u003c/strong>will do, Low said — even \u003ca href=\"https://winterbackpacking.com/3-season-vs-4-season-tents/\">\u003cstrong>a three-season tent\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>, so long as heavy snow isn’t in the forecast. When to consider a four-season tent instead: If you know you’ll be out in a heavy storm with the risk of high winds, or snowfall that could pile up and break your tent poles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A Nalgene-style water bottle \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before going to bed, a bottle like this can be filled up with boiling water, screwed nice and tight and placed inside your sleeping bag to act as a heater. Just remember to wrap it in a sock, so you don’t get burned by accident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hand and toe warmers\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Typically used by skiers, these are perfect for placing inside clothes or a sleeping bag for warmth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Plastic bags\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Use these to keep your socks dry in your boots, if they’re not as waterproof as they need to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/gaiters.html\">\u003cstrong>Gaiters\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To keep snow out of low-cut shoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"5greatwintercampgroundsneartheBayArea\">\u003c/a>5 beautiful wintertime camping spots to try this year\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Sonoma Coast State Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both \u003ca href=\"https://www.sonomacounty.com/profiles/bodega-dunes-campground/\">Bodega Dunes\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sonomacounty.com/profiles/wrights-beach-campgrounds/\">Wright’s Beach\u003c/a> at \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=451\">Sonoma Coast State Park\u003c/a> are open all winter long to campers and RVers, although they don’t have hookups. Campsites start at $45 per night and reservations can be made on \u003ca href=\"https://reservecalifornia.com/Web/\">ReserveCalifornia.\u003c/a> Both campgrounds allow campfires all year round.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Park aid Cools said while Wright’s Beach fills up more quickly, Bodega Dunes tends to have more availability on winter weekends — and weekday reservations are easy to get in the winter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12064314\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12064314\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1276\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park.png 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park-160x106.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/11/Homestead-Trail-Memorial-Park-1536x1021.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Homestead Trail in San Mateo County’s Memorial Park, which maintains an all-year campground. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of San Mateo County Parks Department)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“During the winter, the Sonoma Coast can be really nice with blue skies — and it tends to be less windy,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Yosemite National Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Itching to experience \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/winter.htm\">Yosemite\u003c/a> without the craziness of summer crowds? Winter might be your best bet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I love to go to Yosemite in the wintertime,” Low said. “It is so beautiful, and you can get a piece of Yosemite all to yourself without a person in sight.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tioga Road and the road to Glacier Point — and much of the upper areas of the park — close during the early months of winter. But if you want to soak in the snow-dusted granite walls from Yosemite Valley, you can \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/camping.htm\">make a reservation (typically $35 per night) or try your luck at first-come, first-served campgrounds\u003c/a> in the park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or, take Low’s suggestion and get a wilderness permit to \u003ca href=\"https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/dewey-point-trail--4\">backpack into Dewey Point\u003c/a> or along any route off Glacier Point Road once the first five miles of road to Badger Pass Ski Area are plowed (check the \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/conditions.htm\">park website \u003c/a>or call 209-372-0200 for status updates) and the rest is groomed for cross-country skiing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just remember: \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wildwinter.htm\">You must camp at least one mile away from any plowed road. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How often do you get to go to a place that’s as busy as Yosemite and camp in a spot where there’s not another soul around for as far as you can see?” Low said. “Waking up to see Half Dome or to see El Cap and watching the sun rise on the dawn wall while having a cup of coffee or tea is spectacular.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Calaveras Big Trees State Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Located on Highway 4 in the Sierra Nevada range, \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=551\">Calaveras Big Trees State Park\u003c/a> — known for its massive sequoia trees — is open all year round. That said, some camp spots and parts of the park \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/551/files/CalaverasSkiCampgrdFlyerLR.pdf\">close to cars\u003c/a> after the first significant snowfall or by Dec. 1, Oravetz said. This includes Parkway Road, which closes off access to the Stanislaus River and two groves of big trees, plus a couple of picnic areas and some camping. But those areas are still accessible to snowshoers and cross-country skiers, she said — so your sense of adventure could be rewarded by having these beautiful areas devoid of summer crowds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Oravetz recommends the \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/calaveras-north-grove-trail\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/calaveras-north-grove-trail\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">North Grove Trail\u003c/a> for visitors looking to wander among the big trees on snowshoes or cross-country skis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The snow is beautiful against the giant sequoias,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But be warned, the trail is popular with visitors and locals alike, and can get quite busy between Christmas and the New Year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That area is not open to general snowplay, so Oravetz recommends heading to \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=22403\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=22403\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">Parkway Road\u003c/a> instead to sled, build snowmen or start a snowball fight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reservations for family campsites are $35 and can be made on \u003ca class=\"c-link\" href=\"http://reservecalifornia.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"http://ReserveCalifornia.com\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\">ReserveCalifornia.com\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>San Mateo’s Memorial Park\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Among the redwoods of \u003ca href=\"https://www.smcgov.org/parks/memorial-park\">Memorial Park\u003c/a> in San Mateo County, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.smcgov.org/parks/facility/family-camping-memorial-park\">Azalea Flat\u003c/a> campground stays open all year long while other nearby camping areas close for the winter. RVs, trailers and campfires are allowed, and buying wood to burn at the park is recommended to avoid spreading bugs from park to park, said Carla Schoof, spokesperson for San Mateo County Parks Department.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schoof said while the park gets crowded in summer, it’s not so full in the winter, which can make it feel extra peaceful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s relatively easy to get to, but you really do feel like you’re far away,” she said. “You are deep in the Santa Cruz Mountain Range, surrounded by redwoods.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Plus, the nearby towns of Loma Mar and Pescadero offer opportunities to get supplies and explore — which may be extra necessary in the winter, when Memorial Park’s camp store is closed, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At \u003ca href=\"https://www.smcgov.org/parks/memorial-park-history\">over a century old\u003c/a>, the park is “a special place to a lot of people … who’ve been going camping there since they were pretty small,” Schoof said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Park rangers are happy to answer questions about park conditions and camping. They can be reached at 650-879-0238, Schoof said, and reservations can also be made \u003ca href=\"https://secure.itinio.com/sanmateo/memorial-park\">online\u003c/a> and are $32 per night in the off-season.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Costanoa Lodge & Camp\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’d like a more bougie experience (and who could blame you?), the \u003ca href=\"https://www.costanoa.com/\">Costanoa\u003c/a> private campgrounds on the San Mateo County coast are known for their “failproof camping,” Borick, the camping and glamping resort’s operations manager, said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But still, prepare for anything: “You could end up with a full storm, huddled with your campmates, hot cocoa in hand, with a story to tell — or out on a muddy trail with the spectacular view of a clear winter’s day, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Having a beach all to yourself, or the top of a viewpoint with the silence surrounding you, can be truly worth the invigoration of a winter camping trip,” Borick said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the winter season brings abundant bird migrations and elephant seal pupping at nearby \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=523\">Año Nuevo State Park\u003c/a> that can even be heard from the property, Borick said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In any case, the private campground has year-round hot showers, hot meals and even a sauna. And if you get tired of braving the elements, you can always \u003ca href=\"https://reservations.costanoa.com/costanoa/?dl_cd=eyJrdiI6IktWX2MxYTExZjBhZTg2Y2M1YTQ3ZmJkNGY4MDExYmMwN2ViIiwiYWNjSWQiOiJhYzZmZWEyZi1hMjcxLTRlNmUtOTUxNy00YTQxNzMwYWJiNjEiLCJpc1ByZXZpZXciOmZhbHNlLCJleHAiOjE3NjIyMTc5MzQyMzd9&_gl=1*utn68e*_ga*Nzc2NzI0MTM5LjE3NjIyMDUwNTI.*_ga_GZX22LK6FD*czE3NjIyMTY4MTgkbzIkZzEkdDE3NjIyMTc5MTYkajYwJGwwJGgw\">upgrade to a glamping tent, cabin or a room in the lodge. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp class=\"e-91036-text encore-text-body-medium\" data-encore-id=\"text\" data-slate-node=\"element\">\u003cspan data-slate-node=\"text\">\u003cspan class=\"sc-fPXMVe cSWPAN\" data-slate-leaf=\"true\">On Wednesday, executives from a group called the Esmeralda Land Company will present their plans to officials in Cloverdale, a small city of roughly 9,000 residents in northern Sonoma County.\u003c/span>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp class=\"e-91036-text encore-text-body-medium\" data-encore-id=\"text\" data-slate-node=\"element\">\u003cspan data-slate-node=\"text\">\u003cspan class=\"sc-fPXMVe cSWPAN\" data-slate-leaf=\"true\">The project, titled Esmeralda, is led by Devon Zuegel, a tech worker who hopes to build a hotel, new housing, and a park on a 266-acre piece of land in the southern end of the city. She describes the planned development as a “\u003c/span>\u003c/span>\u003ca class=\"e-91036-text-link e-91036-baseline e-91036-overflow-wrap-anywhere encore-internal-color-text-announcement e-91036-text-link--use-focus sc-feUZmu WwYfX\" href=\"https://esmeralda.org/\" data-encore-id=\"textLink\" data-slate-node=\"element\" data-slate-inline=\"true\">\u003cspan data-slate-node=\"text\">\u003cspan class=\"sc-fPXMVe cSWPAN\" data-slate-leaf=\"true\">\u003cu>mini college campus\u003c/u>\u003c/span>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan data-slate-node=\"text\">\u003cspan class=\"sc-fPXMVe cSWPAN\" data-slate-leaf=\"true\">,” reminiscent of the small resort town of Chautauqua, NY. \u003c/span>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp class=\"e-91036-text encore-text-body-medium\" data-encore-id=\"text\" data-slate-node=\"element\" data-slate-fragment=\"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\">\u003cspan data-slate-node=\"text\">\u003cspan class=\"sc-fPXMVe cSWPAN\" data-slate-leaf=\"true\">Some residents, including local officials, are excited about the project and impressed with Esmeralda’s outreach to the community. Others worry that the development will prioritize wealthy Silicon Valley tech-types over Cloverdale residents.\u003c/span>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp data-encore-id=\"text\" data-slate-node=\"element\" data-slate-fragment=\"JTVCJTdCJTIydHlwZSUyMiUzQSUyMnBhcmFncmFwaCUyMiUyQyUyMmNoaWxkcmVuJTIyJTNBJTVCJTdCJTIydGV4dCUyMiUzQSUyMk9uJTIwV2VkbmVzZGF5JTJDJTIwZXhlY3V0aXZlcyUyMGZyb20lMjBhJTIwZ3JvdXAlMjBjYWxsZWQlMjB0aGUlMjBFc21lcmFsZGElMjBMYW5kJTIwQ29tcGFueSUyMHdpbGwlMjBwcmVzZW50JTIwdGhlaXIlMjBwbGFucyUyMHRvJTIwb2ZmaWNpYWxzJTIwaW4lMjBDbG92ZXJkYWxlJTJDJTIwYSUyMHNtYWxsJTIwY2l0eSUyMG9mJTIwcm91Z2hseSUyMDklMkMwMDAlMjByZXNpZGVudHMlMjBpbiUyMG5vcnRoZXJuJTIwU29ub21hJTIwQ291bnR5LiUyMiU3RCU1RCU3RCUyQyU3QiUyMnR5cGUlMjIlM0ElMjJwYXJhZ3JhcGglMjIlMkMlMjJjaGlsZHJlbiUyMiUzQSU1QiU3QiUyMnRleHQlMjIlM0ElMjJUaGUlMjBwcm9qZWN0JTJDJTIwdGl0bGVkJTIwRXNtZXJhbGRhJTJDJTIwaXMlMjBsZWQlMjBieSUyMERldm9uJTIwWnVlZ2VsJTJDJTIwYSUyMHRlY2glMjB3b3JrZXIlMjB3aG8lMjBob3BlcyUyMHRvJTIwYnVpbGQlMjBhJTIwaG90ZWwlMkMlMjBuZXclMjBob3VzaW5nJTJDJTIwYW5kJTIwYSUyMHBhcmslMjBvbiUyMGElMjAyNjYtYWNyZSUyMHBpZWNlJTIwb2YlMjBsYW5kJTIwaW4lMjB0aGUlMjBzb3V0aGVybiUyMGVuZCUyMG9mJTIwdGhlJTIwY2l0eS4lMjBTaGUlMjBkZXNjcmliZXMlMjB0aGUlMjBwbGFubmVkJTIwZGV2ZWxvcG1lbnQlMjBhcyUyMGElMjAlRTIlODAlOUMlMjIlN0QlMkMlN0IlMjJ0eXBlJTIyJTNBJTIybGluayUyMiUyQyUyMnVybCUyMiUzQSUyMmh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZXNtZXJhbGRhLm9yZyUyRiUyMiUyQyUyMnRhcmdldCUyMiUzQW51bGwlMkMlMjJyZWwlMjIlM0FudWxsJTJDJTIyY2hpbGRyZW4lMjIlM0ElNUIlN0IlMjJ0ZXh0JTIyJTNBJTIybWluaSUyMGNvbGxlZ2UlMjBjYW1wdXMlMjIlMkMlMjJ1bmRlcmxpbmUlMjIlM0F0cnVlJTdEJTVEJTdEJTJDJTdCJTIydGV4dCUyMiUzQSUyMiUyQyVFMiU4MCU5RCUyMHJlbWluaXNjZW50JTIwb2YlMjB0aGUlMjBzbWFsbCUyMHJlc29ydCUyMHRvd24lMjBvZiUyMENoYXV0YXVxdWElMkMlMjBOWS4lQzIlQTAlMjIlN0QlNUQlN0QlMkMlN0IlMjJ0eXBlJTIyJTNBJTIycGFyYWdyYXBoJTIyJTJDJTIyY2hpbGRyZW4lMjIlM0ElNUIlN0IlMjJ0ZXh0JTIyJTNBJTIyU29tZSUyMHJlc2lkZW50cyUyQyUyMGluY2x1ZGluZyUyMGxvY2FsJTIwb2ZmaWNpYWxzJTJDJTIwYXJlJTIwZXhjaXRlZCUyMGFib3V0JTIwdGhlJTIwcHJvamVjdCUyMGFuZCUyMCUyMGltcHJlc3NlZCUyMHdpdGglMjBFc21lcmFsZGElRTIlODAlOTlzJTIwb3V0cmVhY2glMjB0byUyMHRoZSUyMGNvbW11bml0eS4lMjBPdGhlcnMlMjB3b3JyeSUyMHRoYXQlMjB0aGUlMjBkZXZlbG9wbWVudCUyMHdpbGwlMjBwcmlvcml0aXplJTIwd2VhbHRoeSUyMFNpbGljb24lMjBWYWxsZXklMjB0ZWNoLXR5cGVzJTIwb3ZlciUyMENsb3ZlcmRhbGUlMjByZXNpZGVudHMuJTIyJTdEJTVEJTdEJTVE\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC9718372705&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco-Northern California Local.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:01:41] So, Adhiti, this story takes place in the city of Cloverdale. Tell us a little bit more about this community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:01:48] Yeah, Cloverdale is a small town in northern Sonoma County, kind of on the edges of the Bay Area almost.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:01:59] There are a little less than 9,000 people who live there. And it’s kind of quiet. Some of the residents I spoke to there said they moved up after retirement to kind of get away from the hustle and bustle of the Bay Area cities. The average age is a bit older. And I also heard residents say it’s a little more working class than some of the other Sonoma cities like Healdsburg or Windsor even. Many of the people who lived there often work in wine country, but. You know, some are not able to partake in the luxuries of wine country living.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:02:34] And so we’re talking about Cloverdale because Cloverdale became a place of interest for a group called Esmeralda Land Company, which I guess is the other central character of this story. So what is Esmeralda?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:02:48] So Esmeralda is the name of a project which the Esmeralda Land Company was created to build. The Esmeralda Land Company is a development firm. They have not built anything yet. It’s all we know is that they were created to build Esmeralda. Esmeralda is pitched as this project, which will be this dense, walkable neighborhood to be built in the southern kind of portion of Cloverdale where there’s a vacant plot of land. You know, the renderings kind of look like what you might find in like an Italian countryside. And in terms of the people who are behind this project you know, it’s some people who have worked in development for a long time. And at the head of the company is Devon Zuegel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:03:41] What I think we’re doing is really building on what makes Cloverdale awesome. I love spending time there and walking up and down the main street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:03:49] And talking to people. She grew up in Mountain View, but then went on to work at some companies in Silicon Valley like GitHub, which is kind of like coding platform, and Bloom Protocol, which is like a blockchain company.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:04:03] As a software engineer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:04:04] As a software engineer, yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:04:06] Why is Devon interested in developing land at Cloverdale?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:04:10] So the way that she puts it is that the vision goes back to summers spent in Chautauqua. So Chautaqua is a small town in upstate New York. Basically the city would host these like summer events, which would have like seminars and concerts and people would travel from near and far to attend them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:04:31] A huge part of makes Chautauqua so wonderful is the community and the way that people really trust each other. And so, you know, the shows in little day-to-day things, like everybody sits on their front porches and waves at each other as they walked by.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:04:45] Devon’s grandmother lived in Chautauqua and they spent many summers going there and Devon has these fond memories of seeing seminars like one hosted by Jane Goodall and like seeing the Beach Boys perform and basically the way she tells it is that she really enjoyed her time there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:05:05] There was one time when I was a kid and someone in Chautauqua lost the diamond out of their engagement ring. And the entire town spent the next 48 hours with their heads crammed down looking for the diamond. And someone found it and returned it to the person. And it’s the sort of place where like that actually happens. Like that sounds like a made up story, but that is real life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:05:28] When she got older, she kind of figured like, huh, why doesn’t something like Chautauqua exist anywhere else in the United States? That became a goal, which is to kind of recreate Chautaqua, but somewhere else. And they found a plot of land in Cloverdale, where basically it seemed like all of the ingredients were kind of already assembled, and their vision could kind of come to life there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:05:56] Whenever I talk to people in Cloverdale like, what would you like this place to be? It feels like they’re echoing our design principles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:06:05] Okay, so that’s the inspiration, but practically speaking, what are Devon’s goals for this project?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:06:14] What Devon wants to do is transform this vacant piece of land into a hotel and an outdoor amphitheater and some retail spaces and around 600 homes. And it would all be walkable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:06:30] People describe college as one of their favorite times in life and it’s like when they peeks or something but then I wonder like why can’t we have that experience all the time?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:06:41] The way that Devon has described it is that it’s almost like a college campus feel where people are kind of walking around and know each other and there are small shops that exist there. But also it would be like Chautauqua. So there would be programming that would go on year round where people could host seminars and lectures and concerts and things like that that would take place in this resort.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:07:07] Now that I’m an adult, I don’t personally want to live in a dorm, but living in an experience where I walk past people who I want to be friends with every single day is something that I do want in my life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:07:20] So just so I’m understanding the main components of this project, there’s proposed hotel, outdoor amphitheater, I believe also a park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:07:30] A huge park that they would like gift to the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:07:33] Gotcha. But then also housing. What kind of housing are we talking about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:07:37] We’re talking about mixed types of housing. So you could have an apartment building next to a single family home, next to condo, next to senior living center. And what Devon says is this is a good opportunity to add not only some affordability, because her argument, and actually an argument that we’ve heard from a lot of city planners is that if you build that way, it gives people choice so that people are not forced to live in only a single-family home or only an apartment or only a condo that can kind of. Like it’s considered like multi-generational living. So you can have all kinds of people that live within the same neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:08:24] Who are the investors, where’s the money coming from in order to buy and develop this land in Cloverdale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:08:31] We don’t know who the investors are. We know that there are 19 investors, and Devon Zugle has described them as people who live in the Bay Area. The way that she’s phrased it is she sort of said they are small to medium size investors as opposed to large scale investors. And she has said previously that these are typically like families that live in Bay Area who want to live in Esmeralda once it is built. But she is not revealing the identity of these private individuals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:09:04] One thing I’m trying to wrap my head around is how much, for lack of a better term, tech DNA is or isn’t part of this project because people propose developments all the time, but one of the reasons we’re talking about this and one of reasons this project has attracted a lot of attention is this idea that it’s some sort of tech utopia. There were a lot headlines about that, you know, around a year ago. Devin does have this sort of Tech background. How much does that factor into this vision for Esmeralda, if at all?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:09:34] So the company says not at all. The company says that this is a project that is merely trying to build housing in a different way that hasn’t been done before and it’s supposed to be dense and walkable and have this kind of like, you know, cultural element to it. That being said, the company has done this interesting thing where it’s hosted a pop-up village in Healdsburg, which is a little south of Cloverdale. Basically to give locals like a feel for what the development could be like if it’s eventually built.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:10:05] I remember that. It was called Edge Esmeralda, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:10:07] That’s right, Edge Esmeralda. It happened for two summers, starting in 2024, and then again this year in 2025. And I looked at some of the programming. Is kind of tech centric? They had seminars for like cryptocurrency, talking about like techno-humanism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:10:34] AI.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi\u003c/strong> [00:10:34] AI, AI was another one, yep. All these ideas that you hear in Silicon Valley. Now, what Esmeralda said is like, yeah, well we’re in Silicon valley, so like we’re gonna make programming that’s relevant to people who might wanna come and stay here. But it’s also interesting that this is like the type of programming that could be at Esmeralda when it is, you know, if it’s eventually built.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:10:59] As the people behind Esmeralda started to share their plans, they heard a lot of questions that you’d normally hear with any new development. How big would it be? How would they handle issues like water? But they were also getting another big question. Were they connected to California Forever, a different company that wants to build a new city from scratch in Solano County? Now, California Forever bought up a bunch of land in secret. Funded by some of the biggest tech billionaires in Silicon Valley. They, too, promised a walkable community that would bring new housing and all kinds of great things to the area. And it ran into a lot of public opposition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:11:43] So Devon Zuegel and Esmeralda had to address this question as they introduced themselves to the city of Cloverdale. So someone in tech wants to build a new, dense, walkable neighborhood. It reminds me a little bit of California forever, which is the effort to build new city in Solano County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:12:09] Yeah, that’s like the elephant in the room, kind of. That’s the context here. These two projects sound really, really similar. They all have this kind of like new urbanist vision of like, we could build better, but they are very different. I mean, Esmeralda is a lot smaller than what California Forever was proposing. And actually when I had asked Devon Zuegel about this, she had said, She had watched California Forever present their vision, and it get a lot of backlash from locals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:12:45] If the community is not part of it. But I do think like, you know, seeing the frustration that people had with California forever, definitely further underlined, okay, that’s really important to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:12:57] And she said she watched that and she was like, huh, okay, we need to do this differently than when we roll out Esmeralda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:13:06] So far we feel like we’ve been welcomed and I think that’s going to make things a lot smoother and it’s going make our project more successful because we want the Cloverdale community that’s existing to, this is really a new neighborhood in Clovervale that it’s going to expand into.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:13:34] How do Devin Zuegel and Esmeralda try to convince the residents of Cloverdale that this is a great idea?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:13:42] So one of the ways that they’ve tried to do that is number one, the company has not purchased any land yet. They don’t own that land. The plot of land, that 266 acres, is privately owned and Esmeralda has like an exclusive right to purchase that land if they choose to do it, but they haven’t done it yet. Also, no official plans have been submitted on this project yet. Instead, what they’ve been doing is the company, has been like meeting with the community, holding town halls and coffees with the mayor at the senior multipurpose center. You know, at the town hall meetings, they’re actually like a little bit different because instead of Devon like standing at the front and giving this long presentation, basically people are asking questions and they’ll like cater the food from like a local restaurant and people will be eating food and talking. And generally the vibe is like really excited and upbeat. You know the vibe was also really interesting because Devon will be like kind of talking amongst the crowd and like meeting people and shaking hands. 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And I also heard residents say it’s a little more working class than some of the other Sonoma cities like Healdsburg or Windsor even. Many of the people who lived there often work in wine country, but. You know, some are not able to partake in the luxuries of wine country living.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:02:34] And so we’re talking about Cloverdale because Cloverdale became a place of interest for a group called Esmeralda Land Company, which I guess is the other central character of this story. So what is Esmeralda?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:02:48] So Esmeralda is the name of a project which the Esmeralda Land Company was created to build. The Esmeralda Land Company is a development firm. They have not built anything yet. It’s all we know is that they were created to build Esmeralda. Esmeralda is pitched as this project, which will be this dense, walkable neighborhood to be built in the southern kind of portion of Cloverdale where there’s a vacant plot of land. You know, the renderings kind of look like what you might find in like an Italian countryside. And in terms of the people who are behind this project you know, it’s some people who have worked in development for a long time. And at the head of the company is Devon Zuegel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:03:41] What I think we’re doing is really building on what makes Cloverdale awesome. I love spending time there and walking up and down the main street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:03:49] And talking to people. She grew up in Mountain View, but then went on to work at some companies in Silicon Valley like GitHub, which is kind of like coding platform, and Bloom Protocol, which is like a blockchain company.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:04:03] As a software engineer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:04:04] As a software engineer, yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:04:06] Why is Devon interested in developing land at Cloverdale?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:04:10] So the way that she puts it is that the vision goes back to summers spent in Chautauqua. So Chautaqua is a small town in upstate New York. 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It feels like they’re echoing our design principles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:06:05] Okay, so that’s the inspiration, but practically speaking, what are Devon’s goals for this project?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:06:14] What Devon wants to do is transform this vacant piece of land into a hotel and an outdoor amphitheater and some retail spaces and around 600 homes. And it would all be walkable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Devon Zuegel \u003c/strong>[00:06:30] People describe college as one of their favorite times in life and it’s like when they peeks or something but then I wonder like why can’t we have that experience all the time?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:06:41] The way that Devon has described it is that it’s almost like a college campus feel where people are kind of walking around and know each other and there are small shops that exist there. 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Now, what Esmeralda said is like, yeah, well we’re in Silicon valley, so like we’re gonna make programming that’s relevant to people who might wanna come and stay here. But it’s also interesting that this is like the type of programming that could be at Esmeralda when it is, you know, if it’s eventually built.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:10:59] As the people behind Esmeralda started to share their plans, they heard a lot of questions that you’d normally hear with any new development. How big would it be? How would they handle issues like water? But they were also getting another big question. Were they connected to California Forever, a different company that wants to build a new city from scratch in Solano County? Now, California Forever bought up a bunch of land in secret. Funded by some of the biggest tech billionaires in Silicon Valley. 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They don’t own that land. The plot of land, that 266 acres, is privately owned and Esmeralda has like an exclusive right to purchase that land if they choose to do it, but they haven’t done it yet. Also, no official plans have been submitted on this project yet. Instead, what they’ve been doing is the company, has been like meeting with the community, holding town halls and coffees with the mayor at the senior multipurpose center. You know, at the town hall meetings, they’re actually like a little bit different because instead of Devon like standing at the front and giving this long presentation, basically people are asking questions and they’ll like cater the food from like a local restaurant and people will be eating food and talking. And generally the vibe is like really excited and upbeat. You know the vibe was also really interesting because Devon will be like kind of talking amongst the crowd and like meeting people and shaking hands. 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