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As we head into a new year, \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The California Report Magazine\u003c/a> gathered some favorite stories about people coming together, despite their differences.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/05/09/when-youre-a-journalist-and-your-grandpa-doesnt-trust-the-media/\">When You're a Journalist and Your Grandfather Doesn't Trust the Media\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11448731\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11448731\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-800x569.jpg\" alt=\"Lacy Jane Roberts with her grandfather, Tom Tyler, at the Montana Bar in Miles City, Montana.\" width=\"800\" height=\"569\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-800x569.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-160x114.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-1020x725.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-1180x839.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-960x683.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-240x171.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-375x267.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-520x370.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lacy Jane Roberts with her grandfather, Tom Tyler, at the Montana Bar in Miles City, Montana. \u003ccite>(Yuval Avniel)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After the 2016 election, a lot of people were struggling to understand opinions different from their own. Some were wondering how to break out of their echo chamber and talk to people who come from really different backgrounds. Last year, we ran a series called \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\">\u003cem>Start the Conversation\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"BK6iy6YaQt4V2ieKnZAlspm0theLnlWe\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea was to bring people together, people who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them. One of our favorite conversations was between reporter Lacy Jane Roberts, who lives in the Bay Area, and her grandfather, Tom Tyler, who lives in Bozeman, Montana. Lacy, of course, works in journalism. Her grandpa doesn’t believe the media can be trusted.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/09/23/at-make-america-dinner-again-bridging-political-and-racial-divides/\">A Dinner Party That Tries to Bridge Political Divides\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11640459\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11640459 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Min Matson, a transgender, liberal Korean adoptee, shares Walt Shjeflo’s story in the first person at Make America Dinner Again. Shjeflo, a conservative Trump voter, also shared Matson's story in the first person.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-520x346.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Min Matson, a transgender, liberal Korean adoptee, shares Walt Shjeflo’s story in the first person at Make America Dinner Again. Shjeflo, a conservative Trump voter, also shared Matson's story in the first person. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A lot of us are told not to talk politics at the dinner table. Especially if your guests fall on different sides of the political spectrum. But as Bianca Taylor tells us, a new movement called Make America Dinner Again breaks this rule, in a big way.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2017/11/02/trans-singer-encounters-mother-and-bathroom-laws-on-tour-in-the-south/\">A Mother and Son Reunite Over Music\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11640373\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11640373\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-800x451.jpg\" alt=\"Tom Kennard with his sister Amy Martinez and mom Joyce Arterberry in Knoxville, Tennessee. (Photo: Chloe Veltman/KQED)\" width=\"800\" height=\"451\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tom Kennard with his sister Amy Martinez, and mom ,Joyce Arterberry, in Knoxville, Tennessee. (Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For more than 40 years, the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus has used its music to help create community and bridge divides. Last fall, it toured five Southern states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea was to support local LGBTQ communities that may feel increasingly vulnerable in conservative areas. KQED Arts reporter Chloe Veltman caught up with them on the tour bus. She tells us about one of the singers and his mom, who hadn't heard him perform since he was living as a little girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/03/20/how-sign-language-and-a-chance-meeting-forged-a-35-year-friendship/\">Paul & Armando: A Friendship Found in a Grocery Store\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11362210\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11362210\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Paul Barnett (L) and Armando Rivera established a lifelong friendship after a chance meeting in a Fresno grocery store 35 years ago.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Paul Barnett (L) and Armando Rivera established a lifelong friendship after a chance meeting in a Fresno grocery store 35 years ago. \u003ccite>(Photo courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Sometimes people from really different worlds come together by chance. That's what happened to Paul Barnett and his friend, Armando Rivera.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They met in the 1980s at a grocery store in the Central Valley. Armando is deaf, and he taught Paul how to sign. They've been friends ever since.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Subscribe to The California Report Magazine podcast\u003c/a> so you can take our show on the road with you.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"As we head into 2018, we feature stories from our 'Start the Conversation' series, about people bridging divides despite their differences.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1594423190,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":12,"wordCount":498},"headData":{"title":"Coming Together, One Conversation at a Time | KQED","description":"As we head into 2018, we feature stories from our 'Start the Conversation' series, about people bridging divides despite their differences.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Coming Together, One Conversation at a Time","datePublished":"2018-01-06T00:25:24.000Z","dateModified":"2020-07-10T23:19:50.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11640178 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11640178","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2018/01/05/coming-together-one-conversation-at-a-time/","disqusTitle":"Coming Together, One Conversation at a Time","audioUrl":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2018/01/TCRPM20180105.mp3","path":"/news/11640178/coming-together-one-conversation-at-a-time","audioDuration":1740000,"audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>2017 was a year of tension, mistrust and people feeling divided. As we head into a new year, \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The California Report Magazine\u003c/a> gathered some favorite stories about people coming together, despite their differences.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/05/09/when-youre-a-journalist-and-your-grandpa-doesnt-trust-the-media/\">When You're a Journalist and Your Grandfather Doesn't Trust the Media\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11448731\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11448731\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-800x569.jpg\" alt=\"Lacy Jane Roberts with her grandfather, Tom Tyler, at the Montana Bar in Miles City, Montana.\" width=\"800\" height=\"569\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-800x569.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-160x114.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-1020x725.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-1180x839.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-960x683.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-240x171.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-375x267.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-520x370.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lacy Jane Roberts with her grandfather, Tom Tyler, at the Montana Bar in Miles City, Montana. \u003ccite>(Yuval Avniel)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After the 2016 election, a lot of people were struggling to understand opinions different from their own. Some were wondering how to break out of their echo chamber and talk to people who come from really different backgrounds. Last year, we ran a series called \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\">\u003cem>Start the Conversation\u003c/em>\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea was to bring people together, people who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them. One of our favorite conversations was between reporter Lacy Jane Roberts, who lives in the Bay Area, and her grandfather, Tom Tyler, who lives in Bozeman, Montana. Lacy, of course, works in journalism. Her grandpa doesn’t believe the media can be trusted.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/09/23/at-make-america-dinner-again-bridging-political-and-racial-divides/\">A Dinner Party That Tries to Bridge Political Divides\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11640459\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11640459 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Min Matson, a transgender, liberal Korean adoptee, shares Walt Shjeflo’s story in the first person at Make America Dinner Again. Shjeflo, a conservative Trump voter, also shared Matson's story in the first person.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533-520x346.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Min Matson, a transgender, liberal Korean adoptee, shares Walt Shjeflo’s story in the first person at Make America Dinner Again. Shjeflo, a conservative Trump voter, also shared Matson's story in the first person. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A lot of us are told not to talk politics at the dinner table. Especially if your guests fall on different sides of the political spectrum. But as Bianca Taylor tells us, a new movement called Make America Dinner Again breaks this rule, in a big way.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2017/11/02/trans-singer-encounters-mother-and-bathroom-laws-on-tour-in-the-south/\">A Mother and Son Reunite Over Music\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11640373\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11640373\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-800x451.jpg\" alt=\"Tom Kennard with his sister Amy Martinez and mom Joyce Arterberry in Knoxville, Tennessee. (Photo: Chloe Veltman/KQED)\" width=\"800\" height=\"451\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/Tom-Joyce-and-Amy-e1509308259195-800x451-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tom Kennard with his sister Amy Martinez, and mom ,Joyce Arterberry, in Knoxville, Tennessee. (Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For more than 40 years, the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus has used its music to help create community and bridge divides. Last fall, it toured five Southern states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea was to support local LGBTQ communities that may feel increasingly vulnerable in conservative areas. KQED Arts reporter Chloe Veltman caught up with them on the tour bus. She tells us about one of the singers and his mom, who hadn't heard him perform since he was living as a little girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/03/20/how-sign-language-and-a-chance-meeting-forged-a-35-year-friendship/\">Paul & Armando: A Friendship Found in a Grocery Store\u003c/a>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11362210\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11362210\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Paul Barnett (L) and Armando Rivera established a lifelong friendship after a chance meeting in a Fresno grocery store 35 years ago.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Paul-Barnett-and-Armando-Rivera-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Paul Barnett (L) and Armando Rivera established a lifelong friendship after a chance meeting in a Fresno grocery store 35 years ago. \u003ccite>(Photo courtesy of StoryCorps)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Sometimes people from really different worlds come together by chance. That's what happened to Paul Barnett and his friend, Armando Rivera.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They met in the 1980s at a grocery store in the Central Valley. Armando is deaf, and he taught Paul how to sign. They've been friends ever since.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-california-report-magazine/id1314750545?mt=2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Subscribe to The California Report Magazine podcast\u003c/a> so you can take our show on the road with you.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11640178/coming-together-one-conversation-at-a-time","authors":["236"],"series":["news_20558"],"categories":["news_8"],"tags":["news_20150","news_17286","news_21268","news_22018","news_28236"],"featImg":"news_11640361","label":"news_20558"},"news_11618110":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11618110","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11618110","score":null,"sort":[1506171645000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"at-make-america-dinner-again-bridging-political-and-racial-divides","title":"At ‘Make America Dinner Again,’ Bridging Political and Racial Divides","publishDate":1506171645,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Start the Conversation | The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>For our series \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\">Start the Conversation\u003c/a>, we’ve been bringing people together who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>They’re civil dialogues, not debates -- and we hope they’re a way to try to bridge some of the divisions between us in this politically charged time.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A lot of us are taught never to talk politics at the dinner table. Especially if your guests fall on different sides of the political spectrum. But \u003ca href=\"http://www.makeamericadinneragain.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Make America Dinner Again\u003c/a> breaks this rule, in a big way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Justine Lee co-founded Make America Dinner Again one day after the presidential election. She says she wanted to put her energy into something productive to heal what she saw as a huge national divide. Dinner felt right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We think of food and a warm meal as sort of a nice conduit to conversation and understanding,\" Lee explains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tonight’s dinner is being held at a loft in downtown San Francisco. All the guests have applied online to be here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s a young Bolivian woman who works at Facebook; a bar owner who describes himself as the trifecta: boy scout, frat boy, and Marine; a UC Berkeley graduate student whose family voted for President Trump; a conservative lawyer; and a transgender adoptee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’ve never met each other, until now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/09/2017-09-22a-tcrmag.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26537_MADA_08-qut-800x534.jpg\" Title=\"Bridging the Political Divide, One Dinner at a Time\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After small talk over a meal of gourmet salads and pizzas, the guests are ushered to a big round table by the facilitators, Sahana Kumar and Hailey Stewart. Stewart lays down some ground rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Try not to make judgement statements,” she emphasizes. “Don’t say ‘you’re bad,' ‘you’re wrong,' ‘you’re crazy.' Try to put this into ‘I’ statements, so ‘this made me feel...’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the first exercise, Stewart pairs the guests up and asks them to find one thing they have in common. After a few minutes of talking, Walt Shjeflo and Min Matson discover that they’re both from the Dakotas (Min grew up in South Dakota, and Walt is from North Dakota).\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618130\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11618130 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Walt Shjeflo (L) and Min Matson interview one another. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Other than that, these men are very different. Min is transgender, liberal, and was adopted from Korea as a child. A few years ago he adopted a son of his own, Aidan. Min's arms are decorated with colorful tattoos, and he wears a purple checkered shirt (his favorite color). Walt is a white conservative who voted for Trump. He’s a father of four and works as a lawyer in San Mateo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then the pairs are given a new set of instructions. They must ask each other two questions: What has shaped your identity? And what has shaken it in the last year?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Walt starts by telling Min he has been upset by how hostile the Bay Area felt to conservatives after the 2016 election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"9xvlortiw9KCq0JhZ5TrC0vUahWg7EMS\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was very disappointing to me to hear the things that were said to me in particular and to my friends,” he says. “Meanest things I can possibly imagine. And it really pissed me off.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then it’s Walt’s turn to interview Min. Min tells him that as a transgender person of color, he sees a lot of divisive racism and transpeople targeted in the media. And he adds that, because of how the media portrays immigrants, his Latino son’s identity “is under attack, and he doesn’t even know it yet.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But then, there’s a connection. Walt asks Min if he would identify himself first and foremost as transgender. Without hesitation, Min responds, “I would say I’m a father first,” which seems to catch Walt by surprise. Walt chuckles and nods his head. “I say 'way to go,' because that’s how I identify too,” he tells Min.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It seems like Walt and Min could have talked about fatherhood all night. But Stewart, the facilitator, interrupts the group to take them one step further, into something she calls radical empathy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618131\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11618131 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-800x1199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1199\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-800x1199.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-160x240.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-1020x1528.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-1180x1768.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-960x1439.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-240x360.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-375x562.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-520x779.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Facilitator Hailey Stewart explains the radical empathy exercise. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When they regroup, each person will share their partner’s story, but in the first person. The idea is, if you can listen and then share out someone else’s story as your own, you can internalize it and create deeper empathy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Walt volunteers to go first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am Min Matson,” he begins. “I was adopted in Seoul, South Korea. I grew up a young woman and am transgender. Transgender seem to be targets and since I am transgender I think that is a difficult thing to do. I am proudest of being a father and a son.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The group claps when Walt finishes. Then it’s Min’s turn to tell Walt’s story in the first person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618116\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11618116\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Min Matson shares Walt Shjeflo's story in the first person. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans )\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I’m Walt Shjeflo. Many of my family members are small business owners and a lot of them work in agriculture,” Min says. “People talk about the South as being really racist. I really think that the Bay Area is very racist. You know, there's a lot of things that feel like they were done and now they're back again.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The group goes around the table, each sharing their partner’s story in the first person. It’s powerful to hear. After the dinner, I pull Walt and Min aside to ask them what they learned about themselves, and their partner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Min tells me, “I think that Walt and I would be two of the least likely people to connect. I very much appreciate him. I think he is a very, very good-hearted person who has felt hurt and has felt left out in some spaces.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I ask Walt the same question. “Min and I definitely disagree politically on issues,” he says. “But the thing I like about him is he's facing life's challenges in a positive way. He's trying to make things better for himself and his family.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He pauses, then adds, “He told me tonight the two most significant things in his life were the first time he heard his adopted parents call him son, and he heard his little boy call him father.” His voice cracks ever so slightly when he says the word \"son.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In just a few hours, a white, conservative Trump voter and a transgender, Korean adoptee broke bread and shared their stories -- and they came away with something that seems to be lacking these days: respect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618134\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11618134\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The eight dinner guests pose for a group photo after several hours of eating, talking, and sharing. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But the guests here tonight raised some questions. Once we find out what we have in common, what would it take to do the difficult work of hashing out our differences? How do you scale this kind of experiment beyond just eight people in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Make America Dinner Again organizers have created an \u003ca href=\"http://www.makeamericadinneragain.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">online toolkit\u003c/a> to help people host their own dinners. Their hope is that people continue to meet, eat, and that the radical empathy keeps growing.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In a few short hours, a white Trump voter and a transgender Korean adoptee broke bread, shared stories and came away with something lacking these days: respect.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1506620314,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":33,"wordCount":1309},"headData":{"title":"At ‘Make America Dinner Again,’ Bridging Political and Racial Divides | KQED","description":"In a few short hours, a white Trump voter and a transgender Korean adoptee broke bread, shared stories and came away with something lacking these days: respect.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"At ‘Make America Dinner Again,’ Bridging Political and Racial Divides","datePublished":"2017-09-23T13:00:45.000Z","dateModified":"2017-09-28T17:38:34.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11618110 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11618110","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/09/23/at-make-america-dinner-again-bridging-political-and-racial-divides/","disqusTitle":"At ‘Make America Dinner Again,’ Bridging Political and Racial Divides","path":"/news/11618110/at-make-america-dinner-again-bridging-political-and-racial-divides","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>For our series \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\">Start the Conversation\u003c/a>, we’ve been bringing people together who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>They’re civil dialogues, not debates -- and we hope they’re a way to try to bridge some of the divisions between us in this politically charged time.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A lot of us are taught never to talk politics at the dinner table. Especially if your guests fall on different sides of the political spectrum. But \u003ca href=\"http://www.makeamericadinneragain.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Make America Dinner Again\u003c/a> breaks this rule, in a big way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Justine Lee co-founded Make America Dinner Again one day after the presidential election. She says she wanted to put her energy into something productive to heal what she saw as a huge national divide. Dinner felt right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We think of food and a warm meal as sort of a nice conduit to conversation and understanding,\" Lee explains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tonight’s dinner is being held at a loft in downtown San Francisco. All the guests have applied online to be here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s a young Bolivian woman who works at Facebook; a bar owner who describes himself as the trifecta: boy scout, frat boy, and Marine; a UC Berkeley graduate student whose family voted for President Trump; a conservative lawyer; and a transgender adoptee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’ve never met each other, until now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"src":"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/09/2017-09-22a-tcrmag.mp3","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26537_MADA_08-qut-800x534.jpg","title":"Bridging the Political Divide, One Dinner at a Time","program":"The California Report","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After small talk over a meal of gourmet salads and pizzas, the guests are ushered to a big round table by the facilitators, Sahana Kumar and Hailey Stewart. Stewart lays down some ground rules.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Try not to make judgement statements,” she emphasizes. “Don’t say ‘you’re bad,' ‘you’re wrong,' ‘you’re crazy.' Try to put this into ‘I’ statements, so ‘this made me feel...’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the first exercise, Stewart pairs the guests up and asks them to find one thing they have in common. After a few minutes of talking, Walt Shjeflo and Min Matson discover that they’re both from the Dakotas (Min grew up in South Dakota, and Walt is from North Dakota).\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618130\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11618130 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26530_MADA_12-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Walt Shjeflo (L) and Min Matson interview one another. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Other than that, these men are very different. Min is transgender, liberal, and was adopted from Korea as a child. A few years ago he adopted a son of his own, Aidan. Min's arms are decorated with colorful tattoos, and he wears a purple checkered shirt (his favorite color). Walt is a white conservative who voted for Trump. He’s a father of four and works as a lawyer in San Mateo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then the pairs are given a new set of instructions. They must ask each other two questions: What has shaped your identity? And what has shaken it in the last year?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Walt starts by telling Min he has been upset by how hostile the Bay Area felt to conservatives after the 2016 election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was very disappointing to me to hear the things that were said to me in particular and to my friends,” he says. “Meanest things I can possibly imagine. And it really pissed me off.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then it’s Walt’s turn to interview Min. Min tells him that as a transgender person of color, he sees a lot of divisive racism and transpeople targeted in the media. And he adds that, because of how the media portrays immigrants, his Latino son’s identity “is under attack, and he doesn’t even know it yet.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But then, there’s a connection. Walt asks Min if he would identify himself first and foremost as transgender. Without hesitation, Min responds, “I would say I’m a father first,” which seems to catch Walt by surprise. Walt chuckles and nods his head. “I say 'way to go,' because that’s how I identify too,” he tells Min.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It seems like Walt and Min could have talked about fatherhood all night. But Stewart, the facilitator, interrupts the group to take them one step further, into something she calls radical empathy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618131\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11618131 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-800x1199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1199\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-800x1199.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-160x240.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-1020x1528.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-1180x1768.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-960x1439.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-240x360.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-375x562.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26534_MADA_20-qut-520x779.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Facilitator Hailey Stewart explains the radical empathy exercise. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When they regroup, each person will share their partner’s story, but in the first person. The idea is, if you can listen and then share out someone else’s story as your own, you can internalize it and create deeper empathy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Walt volunteers to go first.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I am Min Matson,” he begins. “I was adopted in Seoul, South Korea. I grew up a young woman and am transgender. Transgender seem to be targets and since I am transgender I think that is a difficult thing to do. I am proudest of being a father and a son.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The group claps when Walt finishes. Then it’s Min’s turn to tell Walt’s story in the first person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618116\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11618116\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26640_L1090438-1-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Min Matson shares Walt Shjeflo's story in the first person. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans )\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I’m Walt Shjeflo. Many of my family members are small business owners and a lot of them work in agriculture,” Min says. “People talk about the South as being really racist. I really think that the Bay Area is very racist. You know, there's a lot of things that feel like they were done and now they're back again.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The group goes around the table, each sharing their partner’s story in the first person. It’s powerful to hear. After the dinner, I pull Walt and Min aside to ask them what they learned about themselves, and their partner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Min tells me, “I think that Walt and I would be two of the least likely people to connect. I very much appreciate him. I think he is a very, very good-hearted person who has felt hurt and has felt left out in some spaces.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I ask Walt the same question. “Min and I definitely disagree politically on issues,” he says. “But the thing I like about him is he's facing life's challenges in a positive way. He's trying to make things better for himself and his family.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He pauses, then adds, “He told me tonight the two most significant things in his life were the first time he heard his adopted parents call him son, and he heard his little boy call him father.” His voice cracks ever so slightly when he says the word \"son.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In just a few hours, a white, conservative Trump voter and a transgender, Korean adoptee broke bread and shared their stories -- and they came away with something that seems to be lacking these days: respect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618134\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11618134\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26648_MADA_21-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The eight dinner guests pose for a group photo after several hours of eating, talking, and sharing. \u003ccite>(Maykel Loomans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But the guests here tonight raised some questions. Once we find out what we have in common, what would it take to do the difficult work of hashing out our differences? How do you scale this kind of experiment beyond just eight people in San Francisco?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Make America Dinner Again organizers have created an \u003ca href=\"http://www.makeamericadinneragain.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">online toolkit\u003c/a> to help people host their own dinners. Their hope is that people continue to meet, eat, and that the radical empathy keeps growing.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11618110/at-make-america-dinner-again-bridging-political-and-racial-divides","authors":["11365"],"programs":["news_6944","news_72"],"series":["news_20558"],"categories":["news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_20004","news_17286","news_17041","news_2486"],"featImg":"news_11618115","label":"news_72"},"news_11559762":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11559762","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11559762","score":null,"sort":[1500341429000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"despite-political-differences-two-high-school-teachers-find-common-ground","title":"Despite Political Differences, Two High School Teachers Find Common Ground","publishDate":1500341429,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Start the Conversation | The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>For our series \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\">Start the Conversation\u003c/a>, we’ve been bringing people together who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>They’re civil dialogues, not debates -- and we hope they’re a way to try to bridge some of the divisions between us in this politically charged time.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Two teachers -- Brandon Johnson and Ysidro Valenzuela -- talk about the intersection of politics and education.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brandon Johnson and Ysidro Valenzuela both took roundabout paths to their current jobs as high school teachers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11567925\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 434px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11567925\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"434\" height=\"443\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut.jpg 434w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-160x163.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-240x245.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-375x383.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-32x32.jpg 32w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-50x50.jpg 50w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-64x64.jpg 64w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 434px) 100vw, 434px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ysidro Valenzuela teaches History and Race and Social Justice at Fresno High School. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Ysidro Valenzuela )\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Johnson spent years working in the corporate world \"chasing the dollar,\" but found himself unhappy. He'd been a Boy Scout leader for 15 years and enjoyed working with kids, so he decided to move into teaching. He currently teaches social studies and Spanish at Skyline High School in Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ysidro Valenzuela didn't know what he wanted to do with his life when he was in college, and it took him 10 years to get his first four-year college degree. Now he teaches history and social justice classes at Fresno High School.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While they share a circuitous route to teaching, they differ when it comes to politics. Johnson is a former Marine who identifies as conservative and is part of a small minority in the Bay Area that voted for Donald Trump. Ysidro, on the other hand, is a \"lifelong liberal\" and member of the Democratic Party. He supported Bernie Sanders, though he lives in the more politically conservative Central Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But when they came together to talk, they found themselves finding a lot of common ground, especially when it came to their students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/07/TeacherConvo.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/Johnson800.jpg\" Title=\"Despite Political Differences, Two High School Teachers Find Common Ground\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are some highlights from their conversation:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On their immigrant students:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brandon Johnson\u003c/strong>: A large percentage of my students are first- and second-generation immigrants from all over the world, and they do heroic things with big goals and big dreams, and we send them off to major universities. When you think about especially the individual kids for me and many of my colleagues, it brings tears to your eyes. You know what they overcome, and they still stay. And I think that's what makes me proud as an American.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ysidro Valenzuela\u003c/strong>: I think it's fantastic to compare the American Dream [to immigrant students] as you just did. I completely agree with you. That's patriotism, right? It comes in many forms, and when I watch [immigrant students] overcome their own obstacles and do the best they possibly can, that's just about as an American Dream as you can get.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On talking politics with their students:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Johnson\u003c/strong>: I kind of have an interesting position because in Oakland we try to have both sides of every issue. It's kind of a district mandate that when you have a guest speaker, you need to have somebody [from the other side]. And because most teachers didn't know any other conservatives, I became the token counter guy. I'm a conservative. I explain to them why I voted the way I did, and yes, I voted for Trump, not that I am a Trump fan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"G0X8H6nWRMKV1TEQD9jsQCeJfmm0ONq6\"]\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Valenzuela\u003c/strong>: One of the things that students, especially the curious students, ask a lot is, \"Well, what do you think, Mr. Valenzuela?\" When it comes to politics, when students ask, I answer them. I'm a lifelong liberal. I have been a member of the Democratic Party for some time. I try to make sure we present both sides, but when they ask me a personal question, I certainly answer, especially when it comes to things like immigration.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On politics today:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Johnson\u003c/strong>: To be honest, I'm totally disappointed with both parties. It used to be the Democratic Party was about social justice and helping the poor and jobs and unions. Where has that gotten [the country]? Look at the systems it has established. And the Republican Party, it's money for grabs. They're both the same, and hence the outsiders. You liked Bernie, I like Trump. I think there needs to be a housecleaning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Valenzuela\u003c/strong>: I think what makes me hopeful is that we're seeing more civic activism. I know it seems like we're in divisive times, but it's also an opportunity to see the best of us, to see what makes us Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Every day I have a student who comes in, and they ask a question about something going on in the headlines. \"What does this mean? How do I find out more about that?\" And then it leads to another question and then another question. And that's education, right? You talk about a teachable moment. Every day these days is a teachable moment for students.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"One is liberal, the other conservative -- but Brandon Johnson and Ysidro Valenzuela both share a faith in their students.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1500401253,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":862},"headData":{"title":"Despite Political Differences, Two High School Teachers Find Common Ground | KQED","description":"One is liberal, the other conservative -- but Brandon Johnson and Ysidro Valenzuela both share a faith in their students.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"Despite Political Differences, Two High School Teachers Find Common Ground","datePublished":"2017-07-18T01:30:29.000Z","dateModified":"2017-07-18T18:07:33.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11559762 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11559762","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/07/17/despite-political-differences-two-high-school-teachers-find-common-ground/","disqusTitle":"Despite Political Differences, Two High School Teachers Find Common Ground","audioUrl":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/07/TeacherConvo.mp3","guestFields":"0","path":"/news/11559762/despite-political-differences-two-high-school-teachers-find-common-ground","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>For our series \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\">Start the Conversation\u003c/a>, we’ve been bringing people together who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>They’re civil dialogues, not debates -- and we hope they’re a way to try to bridge some of the divisions between us in this politically charged time.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Two teachers -- Brandon Johnson and Ysidro Valenzuela -- talk about the intersection of politics and education.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brandon Johnson and Ysidro Valenzuela both took roundabout paths to their current jobs as high school teachers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11567925\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 434px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11567925\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"434\" height=\"443\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut.jpg 434w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-160x163.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-240x245.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-375x383.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-32x32.jpg 32w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-50x50.jpg 50w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/07/RS25994_Ysidro-qut-64x64.jpg 64w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 434px) 100vw, 434px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ysidro Valenzuela teaches History and Race and Social Justice at Fresno High School. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Ysidro Valenzuela )\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Johnson spent years working in the corporate world \"chasing the dollar,\" but found himself unhappy. He'd been a Boy Scout leader for 15 years and enjoyed working with kids, so he decided to move into teaching. He currently teaches social studies and Spanish at Skyline High School in Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ysidro Valenzuela didn't know what he wanted to do with his life when he was in college, and it took him 10 years to get his first four-year college degree. Now he teaches history and social justice classes at Fresno High School.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While they share a circuitous route to teaching, they differ when it comes to politics. Johnson is a former Marine who identifies as conservative and is part of a small minority in the Bay Area that voted for Donald Trump. Ysidro, on the other hand, is a \"lifelong liberal\" and member of the Democratic Party. 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When you think about especially the individual kids for me and many of my colleagues, it brings tears to your eyes. You know what they overcome, and they still stay. And I think that's what makes me proud as an American.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ysidro Valenzuela\u003c/strong>: I think it's fantastic to compare the American Dream [to immigrant students] as you just did. I completely agree with you. That's patriotism, right? It comes in many forms, and when I watch [immigrant students] overcome their own obstacles and do the best they possibly can, that's just about as an American Dream as you can get.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On talking politics with their students:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Johnson\u003c/strong>: I kind of have an interesting position because in Oakland we try to have both sides of every issue. It's kind of a district mandate that when you have a guest speaker, you need to have somebody [from the other side]. And because most teachers didn't know any other conservatives, I became the token counter guy. I'm a conservative. I explain to them why I voted the way I did, and yes, I voted for Trump, not that I am a Trump fan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Valenzuela\u003c/strong>: One of the things that students, especially the curious students, ask a lot is, \"Well, what do you think, Mr. Valenzuela?\" When it comes to politics, when students ask, I answer them. I'm a lifelong liberal. I have been a member of the Democratic Party for some time. I try to make sure we present both sides, but when they ask me a personal question, I certainly answer, especially when it comes to things like immigration.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On politics today:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Johnson\u003c/strong>: To be honest, I'm totally disappointed with both parties. It used to be the Democratic Party was about social justice and helping the poor and jobs and unions. Where has that gotten [the country]? Look at the systems it has established. And the Republican Party, it's money for grabs. They're both the same, and hence the outsiders. You liked Bernie, I like Trump. I think there needs to be a housecleaning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Valenzuela\u003c/strong>: I think what makes me hopeful is that we're seeing more civic activism. I know it seems like we're in divisive times, but it's also an opportunity to see the best of us, to see what makes us Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Every day I have a student who comes in, and they ask a question about something going on in the headlines. \"What does this mean? How do I find out more about that?\" And then it leads to another question and then another question. And that's education, right? You talk about a teachable moment. 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They both run businesses in the border region but on different sides of the divide.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Miguel Marshall was born in San Diego and now lives in Tijuana. He's the CEO of \u003ca href=\"http://www.centroventures.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Centro Ventures\u003c/a> -- a real estate development company that operates in Mexico. Marshall is a dual citizen, and splits his time between projects on both sides of the border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brian Holley lives in San Diego and is the vice president of \u003ca href=\"http://vscenario.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">vScenario\u003c/a>, one of the companies that recently bid on the Trump administration’s border wall project.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We invited the two to have a discussion in the heart of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sdparks.org/content/sdparks/en/park-pages/TJRVRP.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tijuana River Valley\u003c/a>. They sat in a parked car in the Tijuana Community Garden along a quiet street lined with ranches, a mile from the actual border. They talked about their hopes for the region, and found they agreed on more than they thought they would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11490862\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11490862\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/06/borderwalltwo-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Brian Holley (L), and Miguel Marshall meet one mile away from the U.S.-Mexico border to talk about how President Trump's proposed border wall affects both of their businesses. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Brian Holley (L), and Miguel Marshall meet 1 mile away from the U.S.-Mexico border to talk about how President Trump's proposed border wall affects both of their businesses. \u003ccite>(Erin Siegal McIntyre/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>On the need for border security:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: I do think it's important for the U.S. and Mexico to upgrade the border security and the wall. The barrier itself will be very instrumental to the security of both sides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What I do believe is other type of things for border security, [like technology], would be more effective.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: There's a lot of technology options that can achieve the same border security goals and not create such a physical reminder of a barrier between nations, as well as not be as expensive, which is obviously a concern.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On the political rhetoric surrounding the wall:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: Well, if the border security becomes a wall, I know it's going to be very polarizing. It's gonna create friction. A wall wouldn't be at all healthy, I would say, just because of the term \"wall.\" Wall versus bridge. So, which one do you choose?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: I believe the term, when it is trumped up to say wall, it causes people to go in a very defensive mode and it's not healthy for reaching what could be a very productive conclusion. You know, I was a Trump voter, I am a supporter of the border security being increased. However, I was not a supporter of and don't agree with the rhetoric that he uses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: Well, everyone who is doing business on both sides of the border, we're going to choose \"bridge.\" We're going to choose making things smoother, making things faster, making things more efficient. A wall basically stops everything. So using the term wall in any way, it’s not going to help.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On being neighborly:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: I mean, if Miguel and I are neighbors and we don't have a fence and I have a dog that is going into his property or he's got a horse that's going into my property and we say, \"Hey, why don't we build a fence between our backyards?\" We're still neighbors. I'm still going to reach over the fence and say hello or have you over for dinner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: We have people who are leaving from Tijuana and San Diego. We have people working from Tijuana, from San Diego. We have that cross-border relationship on a very small scale, but it can be replicated on a larger scale. So, it's all going to depend on what we can do as individuals and continue doing, even though the policy and rhetoric on both sides is being negative. If you increase border security, increase trade relations. We need to do business, we need to continue providing for the citizens that live on both sides of the border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Erin Siegal McIntyre helped produce this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Two business owners from opposite sides of the U.S.-Mexico border talk security and being neighborly. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1500497701,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":729},"headData":{"title":"Two Business Owners, on Opposite Sides of the Border, Try to Find Common Ground | KQED","description":"Two business owners from opposite sides of the U.S.-Mexico border talk security and being neighborly. 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They both run businesses in the border region but on different sides of the divide.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Miguel Marshall was born in San Diego and now lives in Tijuana. He's the CEO of \u003ca href=\"http://www.centroventures.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Centro Ventures\u003c/a> -- a real estate development company that operates in Mexico. Marshall is a dual citizen, and splits his time between projects on both sides of the border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brian Holley lives in San Diego and is the vice president of \u003ca href=\"http://vscenario.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">vScenario\u003c/a>, one of the companies that recently bid on the Trump administration’s border wall project.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We invited the two to have a discussion in the heart of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.sdparks.org/content/sdparks/en/park-pages/TJRVRP.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tijuana River Valley\u003c/a>. They sat in a parked car in the Tijuana Community Garden along a quiet street lined with ranches, a mile from the actual border. They talked about their hopes for the region, and found they agreed on more than they thought they would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11490862\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-11490862\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/06/borderwalltwo-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Brian Holley (L), and Miguel Marshall meet one mile away from the U.S.-Mexico border to talk about how President Trump's proposed border wall affects both of their businesses. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Brian Holley (L), and Miguel Marshall meet 1 mile away from the U.S.-Mexico border to talk about how President Trump's proposed border wall affects both of their businesses. \u003ccite>(Erin Siegal McIntyre/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>On the need for border security:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: I do think it's important for the U.S. and Mexico to upgrade the border security and the wall. The barrier itself will be very instrumental to the security of both sides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What I do believe is other type of things for border security, [like technology], would be more effective.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: There's a lot of technology options that can achieve the same border security goals and not create such a physical reminder of a barrier between nations, as well as not be as expensive, which is obviously a concern.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On the political rhetoric surrounding the wall:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: Well, if the border security becomes a wall, I know it's going to be very polarizing. It's gonna create friction. A wall wouldn't be at all healthy, I would say, just because of the term \"wall.\" Wall versus bridge. So, which one do you choose?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: I believe the term, when it is trumped up to say wall, it causes people to go in a very defensive mode and it's not healthy for reaching what could be a very productive conclusion. You know, I was a Trump voter, I am a supporter of the border security being increased. However, I was not a supporter of and don't agree with the rhetoric that he uses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: Well, everyone who is doing business on both sides of the border, we're going to choose \"bridge.\" We're going to choose making things smoother, making things faster, making things more efficient. A wall basically stops everything. So using the term wall in any way, it’s not going to help.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On being neighborly:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Brian\u003c/strong>: I mean, if Miguel and I are neighbors and we don't have a fence and I have a dog that is going into his property or he's got a horse that's going into my property and we say, \"Hey, why don't we build a fence between our backyards?\" We're still neighbors. I'm still going to reach over the fence and say hello or have you over for dinner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Miguel\u003c/strong>: We have people who are leaving from Tijuana and San Diego. We have people working from Tijuana, from San Diego. We have that cross-border relationship on a very small scale, but it can be replicated on a larger scale. So, it's all going to depend on what we can do as individuals and continue doing, even though the policy and rhetoric on both sides is being negative. If you increase border security, increase trade relations. We need to do business, we need to continue providing for the citizens that live on both sides of the border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Erin Siegal McIntyre helped produce this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/news/11490732/two-business-owners-on-opposite-sides-of-the-border-try-to-find-common-ground","authors":["11327"],"programs":["news_72"],"series":["news_20558"],"categories":["news_1758","news_1169","news_8","news_13"],"tags":["news_20446","news_17611","news_1323","news_17286","news_21038"],"featImg":"news_11490861","label":"news_72"},"news_11442178":{"type":"posts","id":"news_11442178","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"news","id":"11442178","score":null,"sort":[1494370242000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"when-youre-a-journalist-and-your-grandpa-doesnt-trust-the-media","title":"When You're a Journalist, and Your Grandpa Doesn’t Trust the Media","publishDate":1494370242,"format":"standard","headTitle":"Start the Conversation | The California Report | KQED News","labelTerm":{"term":72,"site":"news"},"content":"\u003cp>\u003cem>For a new series we’re calling\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\"> Start the Conversation\u003c/a>, we've been bringing people together who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>They’re civil dialogues, not debates -- and we hope they’re a way to try to bridge some of the big divides between us in this politically charged time.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This week, we have a conversation from KQED producer Lacy Jane Roberts, who spoke with her grandfather, Tom Tyler.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the discussion of America’s distrust of the news media has intensified, my grandpa and I have mostly avoided the subject.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Why? Because I work in the news media, and he thinks the news media are \"liars.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"vMFoCtppgmh1kDxTqQX2Ca1CFeekJkR5\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’re from Montana, a mostly rural state that has gone red in every election (except one) since 1968. But my grandpa grew up in a staunchly Democrat household near Miles City, in southeastern Montana.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, he said, when Jimmy Carter was elected, he “couldn’t afford to be a liberal anymore.” He started working when he was 9 years old, and has been working ever since: first as a ranchhand, then as a truck driver, then owning a trucking business. Today, he’s semi-retired, but still works part time at a semi-truck dealership outside Bozeman.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’ve worked as a journalist off and on for the past seven years, and I live in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’d been wondering what my grandpa really thinks of the fact that I’m a journalist, so I invited him to sit down for a recorded conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/05/2017-05-05d-tcrmag.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-800x569.jpg\" Title=\"A Journalist Sits Down With Her Grandfather Who Doesn’t Trust the News Media\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are some highlights of that conversation:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On why journalism is harder than it was in the past:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Tom: Because lying seems to be normal. ... And as a journalist, you're going to have to figure out who's lying to you and who's telling you the truth. And that's not going to be easy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lacy: Do you think that the media is doing a good job of that right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tom: No. I just don't believe anything the media says. Nothing. ... I question it all. Because they put one thing out and then it comes out later that it was a lie. People aren’t honest. Lying is just something they do. They dramatize things and when they do that, they slant it to the way they want it to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On facts:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Tom: How do you know it's a fact? You know, that's what my question is. I mean, it might be something you believe but can you actually say it is absolute fact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lacy: Journalism isn't an art, it's a practice, right? You source things from multiple sources until you can confirm it from as many places as you possibly can. You try and get it documented in public records if you can, or you try and get at it from every angle so you can zero in on what's true. So that's the kind of journalism I want to practice. Even if the conclusion is something that people disagree with, that doesn't matter to me because it's the facts.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On multiple sets of facts:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Tom: If it agrees with my agenda you'll be OK, [but] if it don't, maybe I’ll give you one star instead of two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lacy: But see, this is what I'm afraid of. That there's multiple different versions of the facts, depending on who you talk to. And I want to make things that, you know, are closest to the objective facts. Regardless of who you are, or what you think of it. Or if you think that it's something you disagree with.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Reporter Lacy Jane Roberts sits down for a civil conversation with her grandfather, who thinks the news media are ‘liars.'","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1494373324,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":20,"wordCount":699},"headData":{"title":"When You're a Journalist, and Your Grandpa Doesn’t Trust the Media | KQED","description":"Reporter Lacy Jane Roberts sits down for a civil conversation with her grandfather, who thinks the news media are ‘liars.'","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"When You're a Journalist, and Your Grandpa Doesn’t Trust the Media","datePublished":"2017-05-09T22:50:42.000Z","dateModified":"2017-05-09T23:42:04.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11442178 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11442178","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/05/09/when-youre-a-journalist-and-your-grandpa-doesnt-trust-the-media/","disqusTitle":"When You're a Journalist, and Your Grandpa Doesn’t Trust the Media","nprByline":"Lacy Jane Roberts","path":"/news/11442178/when-youre-a-journalist-and-your-grandpa-doesnt-trust-the-media","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>For a new series we’re calling\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/series/start-the-conversation/\"> Start the Conversation\u003c/a>, we've been bringing people together who sit on different sides of a political or cultural divide, to talk about the issues that are important to them.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>They’re civil dialogues, not debates -- and we hope they’re a way to try to bridge some of the big divides between us in this politically charged time.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This week, we have a conversation from KQED producer Lacy Jane Roberts, who spoke with her grandfather, Tom Tyler.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the discussion of America’s distrust of the news media has intensified, my grandpa and I have mostly avoided the subject.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Why? Because I work in the news media, and he thinks the news media are \"liars.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’re from Montana, a mostly rural state that has gone red in every election (except one) since 1968. But my grandpa grew up in a staunchly Democrat household near Miles City, in southeastern Montana.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, he said, when Jimmy Carter was elected, he “couldn’t afford to be a liberal anymore.” He started working when he was 9 years old, and has been working ever since: first as a ranchhand, then as a truck driver, then owning a trucking business. Today, he’s semi-retired, but still works part time at a semi-truck dealership outside Bozeman.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’ve worked as a journalist off and on for the past seven years, and I live in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’d been wondering what my grandpa really thinks of the fact that I’m a journalist, so I invited him to sit down for a recorded conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"audio","attributes":{"named":{"src":"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/05/2017-05-05d-tcrmag.mp3","image":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/05/LacyGrandpa-800x569.jpg","title":"A Journalist Sits Down With Her Grandfather Who Doesn’t Trust the News Media","program":"The California Report","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are some highlights of that conversation:\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On why journalism is harder than it was in the past:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Tom: Because lying seems to be normal. ... And as a journalist, you're going to have to figure out who's lying to you and who's telling you the truth. And that's not going to be easy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lacy: Do you think that the media is doing a good job of that right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tom: No. I just don't believe anything the media says. Nothing. ... I question it all. Because they put one thing out and then it comes out later that it was a lie. People aren’t honest. Lying is just something they do. They dramatize things and when they do that, they slant it to the way they want it to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On facts:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Tom: How do you know it's a fact? You know, that's what my question is. I mean, it might be something you believe but can you actually say it is absolute fact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lacy: Journalism isn't an art, it's a practice, right? You source things from multiple sources until you can confirm it from as many places as you possibly can. You try and get it documented in public records if you can, or you try and get at it from every angle so you can zero in on what's true. So that's the kind of journalism I want to practice. Even if the conclusion is something that people disagree with, that doesn't matter to me because it's the facts.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>On multiple sets of facts:\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Tom: If it agrees with my agenda you'll be OK, [but] if it don't, maybe I’ll give you one star instead of two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lacy: But see, this is what I'm afraid of. That there's multiple different versions of the facts, depending on who you talk to. And I want to make things that, you know, are closest to the objective facts. Regardless of who you are, or what you think of it. 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She came to the United States with her parents and younger brother in 1995 when she was eight years old.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"9YEUGLkYrg43CGPSW444M4hmGeoTsSpG\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They came on tourist visas, but when the visa expired, Perez and her family stayed, joining the ranks of undocumented immigrants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then she has become a Dreamer -- one of the hundreds of thousands of people who were brought to this country illegally as children and are now protected under Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She's used that protection to its fullest -- she has a master's in economics, is working on a PhD in education policy and does immigration and advocacy work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My entire life has been all about finding ways to earn a living and to get access to higher education within the confinements of being undocumented,\" Perez says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/03/2017-03-31c-tcrmag.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/03/Mario-and-Iliana-STC-800x600.jpg\" Title=\"Two Immigrant Stories, Two Views on Immigration\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Herrera was born in Corona, California, not long after his mother immigrated legally from Mexico. He says she spent 15 years trying to become a citizen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I got to see my mom spend thousands of dollars on immigration lawyers that don't really do anything other than set out the paperwork and take your money,\" Herrera says. \"It's a broken system.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He spent six years in the Marine Corps before going to school in Riverside. He then found his way into local Republican politics as an elected member of the Republican Party Central Committee and consulting with various Republican legislators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After initially backing Marco Rubio for the Republican presidential nomination, he became a staunch Trump supporter, serving as delegate to the Republican National Convention and attending the inauguration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Herrera and Perez have very different views on U.S. immigration policy, but they agreed to sit down and talk with each other about their thoughts as part of our \"Start the Conversation\" series.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here are some highlights from that conversation:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how to solve the immigration issue:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Herrera: I would like to see more border security implemented, I would like to see a vetting process take place, and I would like to see somewhat of a merit system be put in place -- a system that expedites the current immigration system because the reason that people are coming in the shadows is because we have such a messed up immigration process where people would rather come in the shadows rather than fill out the paperwork. So I do think that we need to reform our entire immigration system to make it easier to become a citizen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perez: I try to think of a more global perspective in terms of immigration where we need to be able to work with different countries in terms of also helping with economic development. ... Even a vetting process or anything like that will not work because immigration will just continue to occur whether it's undocumented or documented individuals. It's a global perspective that we all need to be thinking about\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the perception of undocumented immigrants:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Perez: I think it's this idea that we're stealing a job. I've heard this even from my own family members. My brother and I are the only undocumented individuals in the family, and we're the only ones that ended up going to college where all my other cousins who were born here and who had the financial resources to go to college didn't. They always thought that I took a space from them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Herrera: I have members of my family that are undocumented. In my opinion, just because I'm related to them doesn't make their situation any better. I still think they should have gone through a specific process. ... I really do think Iliana is by far the biggest exception I've ever seen. You're very articulate, you're very intelligent. You are definitely an exception. I'm confident that if anybody had a perception of illegal immigrants if they were to meet you that you would not be the person they would think [of].\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On President Trump:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>Herrera: I don't think it's a secret here that I'm a staunch Trump supporter. I went to the inauguration. I was a delegate for the RNC. I guess you could say I drank the Kool-Aid. ... In his speeches, he talks about the criminal aspect of illegal immigration, but then afterwards he starts going onto 'We need to make it easier to become a citizen so people don't come into the shadows.' You never hear that in the media, and I think that's kind of what's helped create this polarizing climate that we have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perez: One of the most infuriating things regardless of political parties is the fact that Trump continues to create this idea of illegal immigrants just being these horrible individuals. I think that the media also contributes to disseminating the stereotypes about individuals, and it divides societies. That's how we get to a point where human rights just are not considered.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Mario Herrera is a Trump supporter. Iliana Perez is an undocumented immigrant. 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They were part of a nationwide demonstration, calling for the elimination of funding for Planned Parenthood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, as in several other cities, the quiet demonstration in San Francisco was \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/11/anti-planned-parenthood-rally-overshadowed-by-counter-protest-in-san-francisco/\" target=\"_blank\">overwhelmed by hundreds of counter-protesters\u003c/a>, chanting and shouting into bullhorns. \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"OhKgb9IX5LVwIhXP1FE68cgQPUPWBS0D\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the days before the rally, Planned Parenthood had asked counter protesters not to come, or to demonstrate at a different location, to avoid an angry confrontation that would make patients feel unsafe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the midst of an otherwise tense standoff, two San Francisco women reached across the aisle. Anti-abortion protester Eva Muntaen and an abortion rights protester called out to each other. 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A police officer allowed the anti-abortion activist to cross the sidewalk, and the two women gave permission to record their conversation:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"http://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/02/2017-02-17b-tcrmag.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/02/IMG_2351-800x600.jpg\" Title=\"In the Midst of Dueling Abortion Protests, a Civil Conversation\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>For this series, which we’re calling “Start the Conversation,” we listen in on pairs of Californians who have very different opinions on issues, but who also want to find common ground.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Want to participate? \u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/17/start-the-conversation-reaching-common-ground-across-political-divides/\" target=\"_blank\">Click here\u003c/a> to find our contact form and let us know what issues are important to you, or what kinds of conversations you want to hear.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Two demonstrators on opposites sides of the abortion debate literally cross a barricade to talk to each other.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1494364221,"stats":{"hasAudio":true,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":9,"wordCount":285},"headData":{"title":"In the Midst of Dueling Abortion Protests, a Civil Conversation | KQED","description":"Two demonstrators on opposites sides of the abortion debate literally cross a barricade to talk to each other.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"NewsArticle","headline":"In the Midst of Dueling Abortion Protests, a Civil Conversation","datePublished":"2017-02-18T01:59:55.000Z","dateModified":"2017-05-09T21:10:21.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png","isAccessibleForFree":"Y","publisher":{"@type":"NewsMediaOrganization","@id":"https://www.kqed.org/#organization","name":"KQED","url":"https://www.kqed.org","logo":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}}},"disqusIdentifier":"11320125 https://ww2.kqed.org/news/?p=11320125","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/17/in-the-midst-of-dueling-abortion-protests-a-civil-conversation/","disqusTitle":"In the Midst of Dueling Abortion Protests, a Civil Conversation","path":"/news/11320125/in-the-midst-of-dueling-abortion-protests-a-civil-conversation","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A small group of anti-abortion activists gathered for a prayer vigil outside the Planned Parenthood clinic in San Francisco on Saturday, Feb. 11. 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