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Writer Mark Leibovich on Newsom, Biden, Trump and the “D.C. Carnival”

Scott Shafer
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Governor Gavin Newsom stands at a podium
Gov. Gavin Newsom announced a plan to address part of the state's budget deficit. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

Writer Mark Leibovich of The Atlantic is known as a shrewd observer of presidents, Congressional leaders, insurgents and insiders, capturing it all in books like “This Town,” which describes what he calls “the carnival that D.C. has become.” He just wrote a profile of Gov. Gavin Newsom, and he joins Scott to talk about this strange and unsettled moment in U.S. politics. 

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