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"content": "\u003cp>Was Rose Pak a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Rose-Pak-the-ultimate-power-broker-9233068.php\">power broker\u003c/a>? Demonstrably yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Was she also a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/forum/201303211000/first-person-rose-pak\">kingmaker\u003c/a>? Arguably so.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in Pak’s last days before her death, was she a “\u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-gravely-ill-Rose-Pak-on-life-death-and-her-6456189.php\">lion in winter\u003c/a>,” as \u003cem>San Francisco Magazine\u003c/em> dubbed her, leading a pride of politicos she had long mentored through a final campaign struggle? Perhaps inspiringly, yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the film about her life, \u003cem>Rally\u003c/em>, which premiered Friday at the 2023 San Francisco International Film Festival, manages to show the thread that binds all of those efforts, and the motivation behind the decades Pak spent shaping San Francisco political life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“At the end of the day, everything she did, every person she talked to, it was about enhancing the community and making the community better, and she was very vocal about that,” San Francisco Police Department Commander Paul Yep told me, standing among Pak’s friends at an after-party celebrating the film.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11947386\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1403px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11947386 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally1.jpg\" alt=\"A Chinese woman wearing large, '80s-style glasses, a bright blue dress, and a long strand of pearls, with chin-length black hair, smiles broadly, while others around her, all white, also smile, in a government office in front of a bank of microphones.\" width=\"1403\" height=\"692\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally1.jpg 1403w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally1-800x395.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally1-1020x503.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally1-160x79.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1403px) 100vw, 1403px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Former San Francisco Mayor Art Agnos and Rose Pak at a press conference in a screenshot from the film ‘Rally.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy Rally)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pak, who was born in China, came to San Francisco in the 1960s to work for the \u003cem>San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/em>. She would eventually become one of the city’s most influential political figures, channeling the Chinese community to lift people into power, who would in turn fulfill promises to Pak to help Chinese San Franciscans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yep remembers Pak’s care for Chinatown well. At their first meeting, Pak told him, “If you’re about the community, then I’m there for you.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a lesson that’s obvious to her friends, many of whom were in attendance for \u003cem>Rally\u003c/em>’s premiere at the CGV San Francisco 14 cinema on 1000 Van Ness Avenue on Friday night. Yet somehow it was a message lost on many San Franciscans over the years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the film, news clips spanning decades repeatedly describe Pak as a “powerful influencer” behind the scenes, a “shadowy figure” pulling the puppet strings of San Francisco’s power structure. She would often describe the term “power broker” as racist, musing, If she were white, wouldn’t they say “civic leader”?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of course, those news clips never talked about \u003cem>why \u003c/em>she pulled those strings. But seeing Pak’s accomplishments all in the span of an hour and a half (give or take), the missing \u003cem>why \u003c/em>is as blindingly obvious as the idea that the Golden Gate Bridge ain’t golden:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pak saved Chinese Hospital from closure. Pak defended access to Chinatown businesses by fighting the Embarcadero Freeway closure, and after she lost that fight, she advocated for the Central Subway to ensure people had access to Chinatown. She helped elect Mayor Art Agnos, who, at Pak’s urging, went on to appoint Chinese people into the upper echelons of City Hall for the first time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And in 2011, she applied pressure to the Board of Supervisors to appoint Ed Lee interim mayor, later propelling him to victory in his \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbdd_Fasz0k\">campaign to become San Francisco’s first Chinese mayor\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pak wasn’t a saintly figure, and it’s a strength of the film that it doesn’t shy away from showing her as crass, rude and loud, in all the ways that made her charming. The movie also showcases her losses, like the teardown of the Embarcadero Freeway, and Ed Lee’s eventual shifting allegiance toward San Francisco’s tech elite, like “Godfather of Silicon Valley” \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/ron-conway-big-tech-drop-thousands-into-sleepy-sf-election/article_00342725-0356-5f79-a4c4-9e4a025a5d35.html\">Ron Conway\u003c/a>.[pullquote align=\"right\" size=\"medium\" citation=\"Cmdr. Paul Yep, San Francisco Police Department\"]‘At the end of the day, everything she did, every person she talked to, it was about enhancing the community and making the community better, and she was very vocal about that.’[/pullquote]The movie even \u003cem>begins \u003c/em>with accusations that she was an operative of the Chinese Communist Party — that’s gutsy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Showing Pak in an honest way, warts and all, was by design, the film’s director Rooth Tang told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Part of Rose’s story, I think, is a universal one, is that change is messy,” Tang said. Even in a city that’s dominated by Democrats, change takes a fight and “it’s not going to be simple or clean,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But showing Pak’s imperfections had another importance, Tang said, because the Asian American community, in his experience, struggles with the concept of, “How much should you do to fit in?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s another thing I really admired about Rose,” he said. “She didn’t worry about fitting in, ever. It was more of, ‘Hey, I’m here. You guys got to make room.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Pak exemplified that even when faced with racism early on in her tenure at the \u003cem>San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/em>. She tells the tale in an old interview unearthed for the film.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They think, you hired a Chinese, so we’ve covered all our Asians. That’s the mentality they had. They always asked me, ‘Rose, you tell us, what is the difference between the Koreans, the Chinese, and the Japanese?’ I was so fed up,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11947390\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1901px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11947390 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally4.jpg\" alt=\"A Chinese woman, a white man and a white woman walk together in the middle of a crowd in the middle of a street, the women talking to each other across the man, in a black-and-white photo.\" width=\"1901\" height=\"693\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally4.jpg 1901w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally4-800x292.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally4-1020x372.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally4-160x58.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Rally4-1536x560.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1901px) 100vw, 1901px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rose Pak with Dianne Feinstein in a snippet from ‘Rally.’ \u003ccite>(Courtesy Rally)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I said, ‘Guys, you listen once and for all.’ And they all kept quiet. ‘Just remember, the Koreans, their eyes slant down.’ And you can see all their faces trying to remember, ‘Koreans eyes slant down.’ ‘And the Japanese, their eyes slant up.’ And then they’re all thinking, ‘Right?’ ‘And the Chinese, one go each way.’ And then I just left. It was so insulting, you know, but that was the mentality.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mechanics of how she achieved these feats is showcased in the film. But in a soft critique, one has to read between the lines a bit to see how her wins were truly achieved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Standing in the theater just after the film, Jane Kim, a former protégé of Pak’s and now director of the state Working Families Party, spelled out Pak’s power a bit more directly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you think of a power broker, you think of someone who’s wielding that power, at least a little bit, for themselves,” Kim said. “And part of Rose’s power was actually that she didn’t want anything, so she never had anything to lose.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The film reveals this in a particularly touching moment, just after her death, when loved ones gather outside her small apartment next to Chinese Hospital. It’s not the kind of building you’d imagine a true “power broker” to live in — a far cry from the tony neighborhoods some San Francisco politicos call home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I do think that was part of why she was so difficult to take down,” Kim said. “There was nothing to take away from her.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cp>Drag performers and activists gathered at the “Drag Up! Fight Back!” rally in San Francisco on Saturday to protest recent anti-drag and anti-trans legislation as well as increased attacks against LGBTQ+ rights across the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We wanted to show the whole world that San Francisco isn’t standing still, that Oakland isn’t standing still, that the Bay Area is not standing still, period,” said LGBTQ+ rights activist and drag king Alex U. Inn. “They come after everything I am. They come after my Black books, they come after my nonbinary books, they come after me being a woman in my womb, they come after me being transidentified. And what does that leave me? So f— them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946131\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946131\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7432-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Four people on stage, all dressed in drag, waving and clapping to the crowd.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7432-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7432-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7432-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7432-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7432.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From left, Alex U. Inn, Juanita MORE!, Sister Roma and Honey Mahogany speak at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ rally at Union Square in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Activist, politician, drag performer and singer Honey Mahogany, who was one of the organizers of the rally, hailed the LGBTQ+ community’s long history of struggle and defiance that goes back to the 1966 Compton’s Cafeteria riot in San Francisco, where drag queens and trans women, fed up with police harassment, fought back when an officer grabbed a trans woman’s arm. That rebellion, along with the Stonewall riots in New York three years later, set the stage for the modern-day LGBTQ+ rights movement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq1JHAKPpuh/?hl=en\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have fought so hard for equal rights for the LGBTQ community, and we’ve made a lot of progress, but right now, we’re really facing an unprecedented level of attacks,” said Mahogany. “We have a duty to stand up for those who cannot do that for themselves, who may be less safe in doing that, across the country. We have a lot of great organizations like Southern Equality, the NCLR, the ACLU and many others who are litigating these laws when they are passed, making sure that they are not implemented. It’s really important that we join them in this fight because today it’s them, but tomorrow it could be right here in California.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946118\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946118\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of LGBTQ+ rights supporters young and old march waving rainbow flags and holding signs. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters march to Union Square at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Scott Wiener referred to the “vicious attacks” on trans people, drag queens and the LGBTQ+ community in states across the country as “unacceptable” and “un-American” and said he considered it a form of “gender policing,” which, he added, has a long history in the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946126\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946126\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A white man speaks into a microphone.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">State Sen. Scott Wiener speaks at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ rally at Union Square in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“This is straight-up homophobia and transphobia,” said Wiener, in an interview with KQED prior to the rally. “They dress it up as other things and pretend it’s about the safety of children. These laws are often [drafted] in ways that go towards adults as well. They’re now trying to ban gender-affirming care for anyone under the age of 26, not just children. So this is a broader attack against all LGBTQ people. They want to take us back to the 1950s — or maybe the 1850s. It’s terrifying and we’re gonna fight it hard.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946119\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946119\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Protesters march, some in drag, with rainbow colored flags and signs.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters march to Union Square at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The “Drag Up! Fight Back!” rally and march was organized by a coalition of drag activists that included Mahogany, Inn, drag icon \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13919897/san-francisco-arts-commission-juanita-more-30-years\">Juanita MORE!\u003c/a>, Oasis nightclub owner D’Arcy Drollinger and Sister Roma of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. The protest kicked off at San Francisco City Hall before heading to Union Square, where there were performances. It came just days after the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13927233/heklina-dies-drag-legend-san-francsico\">untimely death\u003c/a> of San Francisco drag icon Heklina.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re going to pay a tribute to Heklina when we get to Union Square,” said MORE! at the start of the rally. “I’ve known Heklina since ’94 or ’95. We’ve done a lot of things together that were so much fun and so crazy, and I was part of T-Shack the whole time that she ran it. I loved her very much.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946115\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946115\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A person in a suit and with a beard smiles at the camera surrounded by fellow ralliers. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Michael Chua (center) chats with friends at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. Chua is the elected reigning emperor of the Imperial Council of San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>According to the ACLU, statehouses nationwide have seen a record \u003ca href=\"https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights\">452 anti-LGBTQ+ bills\u003c/a> this year alone, many of them targeting drag performances, trans people’s access to medical care and other rights. A greater threat, LGBTQ+ rights supporters point out, is the prospect that backers of these bills in state legislatures are intent on taking their efforts to the federal level. News of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11946073/texas-judge-halts-fda-approval-of-abortion-pill-mifepristone-newsom-slams-ruling\">a Texas federal judge ordering a hold on federal approval of a widely used and effective abortion pill\u003c/a> on Friday added to the sense of urgency Saturday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’ve already introduced bills in Congress to attack LGBTQ people to replicate what they’re doing in red states,” said Wiener. “Those bills currently are not gonna go anywhere, because we control the Senate and the White House. But if the Republicans take over both the Congress and the presidency in the future, they will absolutely pass these laws into effect nationally. And so they are coming at us here in California. We’re already seeing this with abortion, that they’re trying to effectively ban abortion pills nationwide. They will do the same with respect to LGBTQ people. This is our fight, and it’s our fight everywhere.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946116\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946116\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Protesters hold signs as they march.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mickey Skinner (center) holds a sign reading, ‘If it weren’t for the drag queens who raised me, I would be dead,’ at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We have different states who are bringing legislation because they feel threatened against people who are in drag or people who are trans,” said rally attendee and transgender rights supporter Stanley Wong. “There needs to be more visibility and more activism to educate people that we are in this community and not a threat. Guns are more of a threat to us than people wearing attire.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946133\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946133\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"An Asian man smiles at the camera wearing a yellow fluorescent vest and a bus in the background.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stanley Wong at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘Drag queens are not the people you should be worried about. In fact, they’re probably the people who are going to stand up,’ said Wong. ‘Look at what happened in Stonewall or before that at Compton’s Cafeteria here in San Francisco. There’s been a history of the drag community being very vocal and not taking it. So the march today also symbolizes that, that we aren’t going to just stand by and take it and be threatened by any of this.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I just think that I need to be out here to support my drag sisters and my transgender brothers and sisters, and I just see what’s going on in so many states, and there’s even an anti-trans bill here in California that was introduced,” said rally attendee Brian Harradine. “People aren’t realizing how serious the attacks are. I’m hoping that this march and me participating in this march will encourage more people to wake up and take action.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946112\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946112\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A white man holds a sign that reads 'Drag is not a crime.'\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rally attendee Brian Harradine holds a ‘Drag is not a crime’ sign at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘When I’m feeling really down, I know I can go to a drag performance and feel better,’ said Harradine. ‘When I feel the world is against me. I can go to a drag performance and just feel that I’m safe. I’m welcome.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I think all of the movements are connected and the true fight is always intersectional,” said rally attendee Rose Tinani. “When you’re fighting for human rights, you’re fighting for all human rights. You are fighting for Black people, you are fighting for people of color, you’re fighting against anti-trans and anti-queer rights. You’re fighting for all of them, for our right to live as we deem appropriate, not as some white cis men deem appropriate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946110\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946110\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"An Asian woman with a face mask, a south Asian woman and an Asian man smiles for the camera with people behind them.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From left, Celine Nghiem, Rose Tinani and Tahoe Roe gather for the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘I’m here because we need queer people and queer allies to be showing up and fighting and knowing that this is a fight that will be fought at the ballot box, but it’s not going to end at the ballot box,’ said Tahoe Roe. ‘And so we all need to be here and ready to fight.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“What’s bringing me to this rally today? I think it’s ridiculous that people who have positions of power are utilizing it to diminish the humanity of the queer community as a whole,” said Shane Zaldivar, who identifies as both a drag queen and a trans woman. There are people out there just trying to make other people’s lives harder when it’s hard enough … It feels like lives are at stake.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946145\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946145\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A trans person on stage performs in drag with rainbow wings.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023..jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Shane Zaldivar performs as the Pop Up Drag Queen at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ rally at Union Square in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘I’ve been performing publicly on the streets of San Francisco for maybe seven years now,’ said Zaldivar. ‘I like to just show joy. I like to engage with people … to show that drag and gender expression is not something that needs to be feared. It can be beautiful, it can be joyful, it can be silly.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“[This] march is to show the country and the world that the LGBTQ community is not taking this lying down and that drag queens will not be silenced and we will not go back into the closet,” said Mahogany in a previous interview with KQED. “We will not be relegated to just the back of a dark room in a club. We are here as a part of the community, we’re here to stay, and we’re gonna fight back.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946129\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946129\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A Black trans woman with a black top hat and black dress speaks into a microphone.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Honey Mahogany speaks at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ rally at Union Square in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story includes reporting by Attila Pelit, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/nvoynovskaya\">Nastia Voynovskaya\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/afinney\">Annelise Finney\u003c/a> of KQED with photos by Estefany Gonzalez.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>“We have fought so hard for equal rights for the LGBTQ community, and we’ve made a lot of progress, but right now, we’re really facing an unprecedented level of attacks,” said Mahogany. “We have a duty to stand up for those who cannot do that for themselves, who may be less safe in doing that, across the country. We have a lot of great organizations like Southern Equality, the NCLR, the ACLU and many others who are litigating these laws when they are passed, making sure that they are not implemented. It’s really important that we join them in this fight because today it’s them, but tomorrow it could be right here in California.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946118\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946118\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A crowd of LGBTQ+ rights supporters young and old march waving rainbow flags and holding signs. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-2.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters march to Union Square at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>State Sen. Scott Wiener referred to the “vicious attacks” on trans people, drag queens and the LGBTQ+ community in states across the country as “unacceptable” and “un-American” and said he considered it a form of “gender policing,” which, he added, has a long history in the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946126\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946126\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A white man speaks into a microphone.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7487.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">State Sen. Scott Wiener speaks at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ rally at Union Square in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“This is straight-up homophobia and transphobia,” said Wiener, in an interview with KQED prior to the rally. “They dress it up as other things and pretend it’s about the safety of children. These laws are often [drafted] in ways that go towards adults as well. They’re now trying to ban gender-affirming care for anyone under the age of 26, not just children. So this is a broader attack against all LGBTQ people. They want to take us back to the 1950s — or maybe the 1850s. It’s terrifying and we’re gonna fight it hard.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946119\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946119\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Protesters march, some in drag, with rainbow colored flags and signs.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Protesters-march-to-Union-Square-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023-3.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Protesters march to Union Square at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The “Drag Up! Fight Back!” rally and march was organized by a coalition of drag activists that included Mahogany, Inn, drag icon \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13919897/san-francisco-arts-commission-juanita-more-30-years\">Juanita MORE!\u003c/a>, Oasis nightclub owner D’Arcy Drollinger and Sister Roma of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. The protest kicked off at San Francisco City Hall before heading to Union Square, where there were performances. It came just days after the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13927233/heklina-dies-drag-legend-san-francsico\">untimely death\u003c/a> of San Francisco drag icon Heklina.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re going to pay a tribute to Heklina when we get to Union Square,” said MORE! at the start of the rally. “I’ve known Heklina since ’94 or ’95. We’ve done a lot of things together that were so much fun and so crazy, and I was part of T-Shack the whole time that she ran it. I loved her very much.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946115\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946115\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A person in a suit and with a beard smiles at the camera surrounded by fellow ralliers. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Michael-Chua-center-chats-with-friends-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-Chua-is-the-elected-reigning-emperor-of-the-Imperial-Council-of-San-Francisco.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Michael Chua (center) chats with friends at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. Chua is the elected reigning emperor of the Imperial Council of San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>According to the ACLU, statehouses nationwide have seen a record \u003ca href=\"https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights\">452 anti-LGBTQ+ bills\u003c/a> this year alone, many of them targeting drag performances, trans people’s access to medical care and other rights. A greater threat, LGBTQ+ rights supporters point out, is the prospect that backers of these bills in state legislatures are intent on taking their efforts to the federal level. News of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11946073/texas-judge-halts-fda-approval-of-abortion-pill-mifepristone-newsom-slams-ruling\">a Texas federal judge ordering a hold on federal approval of a widely used and effective abortion pill\u003c/a> on Friday added to the sense of urgency Saturday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’ve already introduced bills in Congress to attack LGBTQ people to replicate what they’re doing in red states,” said Wiener. “Those bills currently are not gonna go anywhere, because we control the Senate and the White House. But if the Republicans take over both the Congress and the presidency in the future, they will absolutely pass these laws into effect nationally. And so they are coming at us here in California. We’re already seeing this with abortion, that they’re trying to effectively ban abortion pills nationwide. They will do the same with respect to LGBTQ people. This is our fight, and it’s our fight everywhere.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946116\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946116\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Protesters hold signs as they march.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Mickey-Skinner-center-holds-a-sign-reading-22If-it-werent-for-the-drag-queen-who-raised-me-I-would-be-dead22-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023._.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mickey Skinner (center) holds a sign reading, ‘If it weren’t for the drag queens who raised me, I would be dead,’ at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We have different states who are bringing legislation because they feel threatened against people who are in drag or people who are trans,” said rally attendee and transgender rights supporter Stanley Wong. “There needs to be more visibility and more activism to educate people that we are in this community and not a threat. Guns are more of a threat to us than people wearing attire.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946133\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946133\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"An Asian man smiles at the camera wearing a yellow fluorescent vest and a bus in the background.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A6840.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stanley Wong at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘Drag queens are not the people you should be worried about. In fact, they’re probably the people who are going to stand up,’ said Wong. ‘Look at what happened in Stonewall or before that at Compton’s Cafeteria here in San Francisco. There’s been a history of the drag community being very vocal and not taking it. So the march today also symbolizes that, that we aren’t going to just stand by and take it and be threatened by any of this.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I just think that I need to be out here to support my drag sisters and my transgender brothers and sisters, and I just see what’s going on in so many states, and there’s even an anti-trans bill here in California that was introduced,” said rally attendee Brian Harradine. “People aren’t realizing how serious the attacks are. I’m hoping that this march and me participating in this march will encourage more people to wake up and take action.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946112\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946112\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A white man holds a sign that reads 'Drag is not a crime.'\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Brian-Harradine-holds-a-22Drag-is-not-a-crime22-sign-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023_.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rally attendee Brian Harradine holds a ‘Drag is not a crime’ sign at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘When I’m feeling really down, I know I can go to a drag performance and feel better,’ said Harradine. ‘When I feel the world is against me. I can go to a drag performance and just feel that I’m safe. I’m welcome.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I think all of the movements are connected and the true fight is always intersectional,” said rally attendee Rose Tinani. “When you’re fighting for human rights, you’re fighting for all human rights. You are fighting for Black people, you are fighting for people of color, you’re fighting against anti-trans and anti-queer rights. You’re fighting for all of them, for our right to live as we deem appropriate, not as some white cis men deem appropriate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946110\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946110\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"An Asian woman with a face mask, a south Asian woman and an Asian man smiles for the camera with people behind them.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/From-left-Celine-Nghiem-Rose-Tinani-and-Tahoe-Roe-gather-for-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-march-at-San-Francisco-City-Hall-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-_.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">From left, Celine Nghiem, Rose Tinani and Tahoe Roe gather for the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ march at San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘I’m here because we need queer people and queer allies to be showing up and fighting and knowing that this is a fight that will be fought at the ballot box, but it’s not going to end at the ballot box,’ said Tahoe Roe. ‘And so we all need to be here and ready to fight.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“What’s bringing me to this rally today? I think it’s ridiculous that people who have positions of power are utilizing it to diminish the humanity of the queer community as a whole,” said Shane Zaldivar, who identifies as both a drag queen and a trans woman. There are people out there just trying to make other people’s lives harder when it’s hard enough … It feels like lives are at stake.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946145\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946145\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A trans person on stage performs in drag with rainbow wings.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023.-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/Shane-Zaldivar-performs-as-the-Pop-Up-Drag-Queen-at-the-Drag-Up-Fight-Back-rally-at-Union-Square-in-San-Francisco-on-Saturday-April-8-2023..jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Shane Zaldivar performs as the Pop Up Drag Queen at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ rally at Union Square in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. ‘I’ve been performing publicly on the streets of San Francisco for maybe seven years now,’ said Zaldivar. ‘I like to just show joy. I like to engage with people … to show that drag and gender expression is not something that needs to be feared. It can be beautiful, it can be joyful, it can be silly.’ \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“[This] march is to show the country and the world that the LGBTQ community is not taking this lying down and that drag queens will not be silenced and we will not go back into the closet,” said Mahogany in a previous interview with KQED. “We will not be relegated to just the back of a dark room in a club. We are here as a part of the community, we’re here to stay, and we’re gonna fight back.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11946129\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11946129\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"A Black trans woman with a black top hat and black dress speaks into a microphone.\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/D7A7310.jpg 1620w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Honey Mahogany speaks at the ‘Drag Up! Fight Back!’ rally at Union Square in San Francisco on Saturday, April 8, 2023. \u003ccite>(Estefany Gonzalez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story includes reporting by Attila Pelit, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/nvoynovskaya\">Nastia Voynovskaya\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/afinney\">Annelise Finney\u003c/a> of KQED with photos by Estefany Gonzalez.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>[dropcap]F[/dropcap]or 26 years, a San Francisco-based digital library has stood in stark opposition to today’s commercial information ecosystem, hallmarked by paywalled periodicals, pricey books and advertisement-driven media.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Inside the Internet Archive’s massive warehouse, with towers of books new and old, it begins to sink in just how ambitious the nonprofit organization’s mission is: to preserve millions of texts and lend them freely online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the library’s philosophy is now being tried in court, as a \u003ca href=\"https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/publishers-beat-internet-archive-as-judge-rules-e-book-lending-violates-copyright/\">ruling in a major lawsuit against the Internet Archive\u003c/a> not only threatens to remove many of the free books from the Internet Archive’s website, but also could set the tone for digital libraries across the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The idea was to try to fulfill the dream of the internet, of a universal library, and of universal access to all knowledge. A digital Library of Alexandria,” Brewster Kahle, founder and digital librarian for the Internet Archive, told KQED, referencing one of the world’s \u003ca href=\"https://time.com/5912689/library-of-alexandria-burning/\">earliest and most storied libraries\u003c/a>. “The San Francisco Public Library, the Burlingame Public Library and many libraries around the Bay Area donate books when they don’t need them anymore to the Internet Archive rather than, say, landfill.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>E-book lending is used across libraries and publishing houses, and often libraries will license those digital books from publishers. Through its \u003ca href=\"https://archive.org/details/ol_data\">Open Library\u003c/a>, the Internet Archive maintains that it uses a model known as “controlled digital lending,” where a library owns a book, scans it digitally and loans the digital copy to one user at a time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in March 2020, when physical libraries were closed due to the pandemic and students were learning from home, the Internet Archive temporarily removed waitlists so anyone could access the books online, calling the initiative the National Emergency Library.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945692\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945692\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg\" alt=\"An older white man with grey-white hair wearing a dark sweater reaches out to close a grey metallic door as huge cardboard boxes labeled as containing books sit in the background\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Brewster Kahle closes a storage container with books labeled from “Allen County Public Library’’ at an Internet Archive storage facility in Richmond on March 30. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Archive stopped the program and returned to its regular lending practices in June 2020, the same month that Hachette Book Group and other major publishers hit the Internet Archive with a multimillion-dollar lawsuit alleging copyright infringement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This month, a federal judge in New York sided with the publishers, which include Penguin Random House, Wiley and HarperCollins, ruling that the Internet Archive violated copyright infringement laws through both the Open Library and the National Emergency Library.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Brewster Kahle, Internet Archive founder\"]‘The publishers demanded that we destroy millions of digitized books and stop lending, and they sued us for tens of millions of dollars. That was the publishers’ response when libraries closed, was to sue libraries.’[/pullquote]In its \u003ca href=\"https://www.eff.org/document/complaint-50\">lawsuit\u003c/a>, Hachette Group argued that the Internet Archive “badly misleads the public and boldly misappropriates the goodwill that libraries enjoy and have legitimately earned.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The publishers specifically complained about \u003ca href=\"https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900.1.1.pdf\">127 books not under public domain (PDF)\u003c/a> that are stored and offered freely on the Archive, by authors such as Sylvia Plath, Jon Krakauer, Toni Morrison, Malcolm Gladwell, C.S. Lewis and J.D. Salinger.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Publishers say Open Library flouts licensing fees libraries are supposed to pay them. But because libraries already paid licensing fees for the print books that the Internet Archive scans as part of the Open Library project, the nonprofit asserts that their one-to-one lending system constitutes fair use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“IA’s fair use defense rests on the notion that lawfully acquiring a copyrighted print book entitles the recipient to make an unauthorized copy and distribute it in place of the print book, so long as it does not simultaneously lend the print book,” the Southern District of New York Judge John Koeltl \u003ca href=\"https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900.188.0.pdf\">stated in his ruling (PDF)\u003c/a>. “But no case or legal principle supports that notion. Every authority points the other direction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945701\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945701\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg\" alt=\"A man in the distance stands in a walkway between two huge walls of grey storage containers stacked on top of each other inside what appears to be a massive warehouse\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Matthew Soper, physical warehouse manager and archivist, walks alongside storage containers at the Internet Archive storage facility in Richmond on March 30. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The fight is not over, though. The Archive, with support from its fandom of technologists, librarians, researchers, authors and digital rights activists, \u003ca href=\"http://blog.archive.org/2023/03/25/the-fight-continues/\">plans to appeal the ruling\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The publishers demanded that we destroy millions of digitized books and stop lending, and they sued us for tens of millions of dollars. That was the publishers’ response when libraries closed, was to sue libraries,” said Kahle. “I don’t think it was very good behavior. In fact, it’s horrendous.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Built in the Bay\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Archive is rooted in the Bay Area, spiritually with its high-tech-meets-open-access ethos, and physically, in the form of a Greek-columned, former Christian Science church-turned media museum in San Francisco’s Richmond District.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945689\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945689\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"Close-up photo of a shiny metallic plaque with text on it below a columned icon which is the symbol of the Internet Archive\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A sign at the Internet Archive’s offices in San Francisco reads, ‘Universal access to all knowledge.’ \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Inside its warehouse in the city of Richmond, just across the bay, rows of shipping containers hold meticulously organized boxes of books donated from places like the California State Library, the University of Florida, UC Riverside, the San Francisco Public Library and many other institutions the Archive helps to digitize books for.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The collection also includes an entire section of books that are banned, as well as books that legislators across the U.S. are actively attempting to ban. Nationwide, attempts to ban books nearly doubled from 2021 to 2022, reaching the highest point ever recorded at \u003ca href=\"https://www.ala.org/news/press-releases/2023/03/record-book-bans-2022\">1,269 demands to censor library books and resources in 2022\u003c/a>, according to an analysis by the American Library Association, which began tracking the data nearly 20 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945707\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945707\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"Someone wearing a bright orange hoodie sits at an archiving station holding an open book and facing a computer screen\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Eliza Zhang scans books at the Internet Archive offices in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On any given day, staff with the Archive can be found tucked away at its San Francisco-based library scanning physical books, many of which are donated by local public libraries and university libraries, as well as individuals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amsterdam-based novelist Bette Adriaanse has used the Internet Archive for her work and was a fan from afar until she visited the Archive’s Richmond District location on a recent sunny Friday afternoon, when it hosts lunches open to the community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was looking for this very obscure book on art and I couldn’t find it anywhere, not in libraries or bookstores. And then I found it on the Archive and I read it online and borrowed it,” said Adriaanse. “Since then I’ve been borrowing books from them that I can’t find in the library. And if I want to buy a book to support a book, I buy it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945695\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945695\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"A white woman with short brown hair stands facing a middle-aged white man, both smiling and engaged in conversation, with an old time record player in the background within a corridor which appears to be lined with vinyl records\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Brewster Kahle shows Amsterdam-based novelist Bette Adriaanse an early record player at the Internet Archive offices in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>She was among about two dozen people who stopped by the Archive recently for its Friday lunches, during which Kahle is often around providing tours. On this particular Friday, the tour group was made up of fans visiting from out of the country, filmmakers, academics, archival vigilantes who scan the internet for websites to save, and video game designers in town for a conference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In black socks with no shoes, Kahle dazzled the group with stories of the early internet days in the Archive’s common space. Then he laced up for a tour to the main attraction, a stained-glass chapel bordered with 3-foot-tall figures of people who are part of the Archive’s history and present.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945697\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945697\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"A photo of what appear to be dozens of clay figurines which are delicately painted and apparently standing near church pews\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Statues of the Internet Archive staff, including founder Brewster Kahle, line church pews at the former church-turned-offices in San Francisco. Kahle explained that his idea was to create Terracotta Archivists after he saw the Terracotta Army in China. If you work for the Internet Archive for three years, a statue of you is made. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>At the pulpit there’s a tower of computer screens scrolling through bygone pages of the earliest days of the internet. The Internet Archive also runs the \u003ca href=\"https://archive.org/web/\">Wayback Machine\u003c/a>, a digital archive of more than 800 billion webpages and counting, ranging from early ’90s blogs to news websites and Donald Trump’s tweets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Behind the rows of pews, a giant server studded with lights that flash every time something is uploaded to the Archive twinkles like a technologic starry sky.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Local musician and filmmaker Rohit Rao regularly works out of the space, which offers free public Wi-Fi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was drawn to it for nostalgia at first. But more recently, I’ve been uploading my films to the Archive. I had a bunch of these hard drives with films on there and I wanted to store them online,” said Rao, hunched over a keyboard in the Archive’s living room. “Lately, they’ve been giving me space to work. I might track my entire record here if they’re cool with it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The future of digital libraries\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Whichever way the Archive’s appeal in the publishers’ lawsuit ultimately goes, some librarians and authors say it could set the stage for what book lending looks like in an increasingly digital era.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some books could altogether disappear, advocates of the Archive say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Laura Gibbs, who taught folklore and mythology online for the University of Oklahoma for more than 20 years, frequently used the Archive with her students. In more recent years, she has been dedicated to uploading and preserving some of the rare texts she works with, which are often hard to access elsewhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This completely changed my research, and I do all my reading via the Internet Archive now,” said Gibbs, who was on the tour. “It just feels like the most important thing I’ve ever done. This is the future of education.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945699\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945699\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/031_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"A middle-aged white woman with glasses and grey hair stands in front of what appears to be a large shelving unit full of memorabilia in a large, clean, well lit room\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/031_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/031_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/031_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/031_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/031_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Laura Gibbs looks at memorabilia at the Internet Archive offices in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Controlled digital lending “enables many authors to reach more readers than they could otherwise, and authors like our members who write to be read would not be served if fewer readers could access their books,” the \u003ca href=\"https://www.authorsalliance.org/about/\">Authors Alliance\u003c/a> wrote in response to the recent ruling. The Alliance is a broad coalition of librarians, writers, academics and copyright attorneys who advocate for wider public access to books and knowledge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Internet Archive case also arrives as more libraries are digitizing their books to meet new customer demands and technological shifts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The argument that the Internet Archive isn’t a library is wrong. If this argument is accepted, the results would jeopardize the future development of digital libraries nationwide. The Internet Archive is the most significant specialized library to emerge in decades,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2023/03/17/librarians-should-stand-internet-archive-opinion\">a group of eight librarians from MIT, UC Berkeley and other prominent institutions recently wrote in an op-ed for Inside Higher Education\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945709\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945709\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/004_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"A middle aged white man standing up gestures intensely as he speaks with the backs of audience members listening blurred in the foreground\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/004_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/004_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/004_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/004_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/004_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Brewster Kahle speaks to guests, volunteers and staff at the Internet Archive offices in San Francisco on March 24. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Internet Archive says that it is, in fact, a modern-day library, pointing out that it has received government dollars earmarked for libraries, including from \u003ca href=\"https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/universal-service-program-schools-and-libraries-e-rate\">the federal E-Rate program\u003c/a>, which provides funds and discounts on internet connection for schools and libraries.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Authors like Adriaanse understand the tough reality of making it financially as a writer, and that publishers need to make money to stay afloat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But she was pleasantly surprised to find her own books on the Archive, as well as other free digital lending services at her local Dutch library system during the pandemic for people who didn’t have a library card.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I got a lot more readers, so that tells you there are a lot of people out there who want to read but don’t have a library card or money to buy books,” Adriaanse said. “It is inspiring. It makes me think we can have universal access to knowledge.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>E-book lending is used across libraries and publishing houses, and often libraries will license those digital books from publishers. Through its \u003ca href=\"https://archive.org/details/ol_data\">Open Library\u003c/a>, the Internet Archive maintains that it uses a model known as “controlled digital lending,” where a library owns a book, scans it digitally and loans the digital copy to one user at a time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in March 2020, when physical libraries were closed due to the pandemic and students were learning from home, the Internet Archive temporarily removed waitlists so anyone could access the books online, calling the initiative the National Emergency Library.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945692\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945692\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg\" alt=\"An older white man with grey-white hair wearing a dark sweater reaches out to close a grey metallic door as huge cardboard boxes labeled as containing books sit in the background\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Brewster Kahle closes a storage container with books labeled from “Allen County Public Library’’ at an Internet Archive storage facility in Richmond on March 30. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Archive stopped the program and returned to its regular lending practices in June 2020, the same month that Hachette Book Group and other major publishers hit the Internet Archive with a multimillion-dollar lawsuit alleging copyright infringement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This month, a federal judge in New York sided with the publishers, which include Penguin Random House, Wiley and HarperCollins, ruling that the Internet Archive violated copyright infringement laws through both the Open Library and the National Emergency Library.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>In its \u003ca href=\"https://www.eff.org/document/complaint-50\">lawsuit\u003c/a>, Hachette Group argued that the Internet Archive “badly misleads the public and boldly misappropriates the goodwill that libraries enjoy and have legitimately earned.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The publishers specifically complained about \u003ca href=\"https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900.1.1.pdf\">127 books not under public domain (PDF)\u003c/a> that are stored and offered freely on the Archive, by authors such as Sylvia Plath, Jon Krakauer, Toni Morrison, Malcolm Gladwell, C.S. Lewis and J.D. Salinger.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Publishers say Open Library flouts licensing fees libraries are supposed to pay them. But because libraries already paid licensing fees for the print books that the Internet Archive scans as part of the Open Library project, the nonprofit asserts that their one-to-one lending system constitutes fair use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“IA’s fair use defense rests on the notion that lawfully acquiring a copyrighted print book entitles the recipient to make an unauthorized copy and distribute it in place of the print book, so long as it does not simultaneously lend the print book,” the Southern District of New York Judge John Koeltl \u003ca href=\"https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900/gov.uscourts.nysd.537900.188.0.pdf\">stated in his ruling (PDF)\u003c/a>. “But no case or legal principle supports that notion. Every authority points the other direction.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945701\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945701\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg\" alt=\"A man in the distance stands in a walkway between two huge walls of grey storage containers stacked on top of each other inside what appears to be a massive warehouse\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/018_KQED_InternetArchiveWarehouse_03302023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Matthew Soper, physical warehouse manager and archivist, walks alongside storage containers at the Internet Archive storage facility in Richmond on March 30. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The fight is not over, though. The Archive, with support from its fandom of technologists, librarians, researchers, authors and digital rights activists, \u003ca href=\"http://blog.archive.org/2023/03/25/the-fight-continues/\">plans to appeal the ruling\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The publishers demanded that we destroy millions of digitized books and stop lending, and they sued us for tens of millions of dollars. That was the publishers’ response when libraries closed, was to sue libraries,” said Kahle. “I don’t think it was very good behavior. In fact, it’s horrendous.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Built in the Bay\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Archive is rooted in the Bay Area, spiritually with its high-tech-meets-open-access ethos, and physically, in the form of a Greek-columned, former Christian Science church-turned media museum in San Francisco’s Richmond District.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945689\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945689\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"Close-up photo of a shiny metallic plaque with text on it below a columned icon which is the symbol of the Internet Archive\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/054_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A sign at the Internet Archive’s offices in San Francisco reads, ‘Universal access to all knowledge.’ \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Inside its warehouse in the city of Richmond, just across the bay, rows of shipping containers hold meticulously organized boxes of books donated from places like the California State Library, the University of Florida, UC Riverside, the San Francisco Public Library and many other institutions the Archive helps to digitize books for.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The collection also includes an entire section of books that are banned, as well as books that legislators across the U.S. are actively attempting to ban. Nationwide, attempts to ban books nearly doubled from 2021 to 2022, reaching the highest point ever recorded at \u003ca href=\"https://www.ala.org/news/press-releases/2023/03/record-book-bans-2022\">1,269 demands to censor library books and resources in 2022\u003c/a>, according to an analysis by the American Library Association, which began tracking the data nearly 20 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945707\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945707\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"Someone wearing a bright orange hoodie sits at an archiving station holding an open book and facing a computer screen\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/016_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Eliza Zhang scans books at the Internet Archive offices in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On any given day, staff with the Archive can be found tucked away at its San Francisco-based library scanning physical books, many of which are donated by local public libraries and university libraries, as well as individuals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amsterdam-based novelist Bette Adriaanse has used the Internet Archive for her work and was a fan from afar until she visited the Archive’s Richmond District location on a recent sunny Friday afternoon, when it hosts lunches open to the community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was looking for this very obscure book on art and I couldn’t find it anywhere, not in libraries or bookstores. And then I found it on the Archive and I read it online and borrowed it,” said Adriaanse. “Since then I’ve been borrowing books from them that I can’t find in the library. And if I want to buy a book to support a book, I buy it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945695\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945695\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"A white woman with short brown hair stands facing a middle-aged white man, both smiling and engaged in conversation, with an old time record player in the background within a corridor which appears to be lined with vinyl records\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/021_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Brewster Kahle shows Amsterdam-based novelist Bette Adriaanse an early record player at the Internet Archive offices in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>She was among about two dozen people who stopped by the Archive recently for its Friday lunches, during which Kahle is often around providing tours. On this particular Friday, the tour group was made up of fans visiting from out of the country, filmmakers, academics, archival vigilantes who scan the internet for websites to save, and video game designers in town for a conference.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In black socks with no shoes, Kahle dazzled the group with stories of the early internet days in the Archive’s common space. Then he laced up for a tour to the main attraction, a stained-glass chapel bordered with 3-foot-tall figures of people who are part of the Archive’s history and present.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11945697\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11945697\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg\" alt=\"A photo of what appear to be dozens of clay figurines which are delicately painted and apparently standing near church pews\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/04/042_KQED_InternetArchiveOffices_03242023-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Statues of the Internet Archive staff, including founder Brewster Kahle, line church pews at the former church-turned-offices in San Francisco. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/mixed-race\">\u003cem>This post is part of a series of stories on The California Report Magazine about the experience of being mixed race.\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"More from The California Report’s ‘Mixed’ series\" tag=\"mixed\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olympic figure skater Tai Babilonia rose to fame as a child in the 1960s, breaking into the white world of figure skating with the help of famed coach Mabel Fairbanks, who herself was of Black and Seminole descent. Babilonia and her skating partner, Randy Gardner, rapidly ascended figure skating’s ranks to become World Champions in 1979. They were favorites at the 1980 Olympics, but an injury ended their dream of a medal. In the decades since, Babilonia has opened up about a lot of difficult experiences in her life, including the racism and exotification she faced as an athlete and public figure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the series “Mixed: Stories of Mixed-Race Californians,” hosts Sasha Khokha and Marisa Lagos spoke to Babilonia about growing up in a mixed-race family in the 1960s, and how she’s dedicated her career to creating pathways for younger figure skaters, especially skaters of color. Here are some excerpts from that conversation, edited for brevity and clarity. Listen to the full conversation by clicking the play button at the top of this page.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On growing up mixed race in Los Angeles in the 1960s and ’70s\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11944238\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1058px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11944238\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/20220310_235337.jpg\" alt=\"A family photo taken near the water with a smiling daughter who wears white sunglasses, a mother sits on a rock in the center with black sunglasses and her young son to the right who squints at the camera in the sunlight.\" width=\"1058\" height=\"928\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/20220310_235337.jpg 1058w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/20220310_235337-800x702.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/20220310_235337-1020x895.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/20220310_235337-160x140.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1058px) 100vw, 1058px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A young Tai Babilonia (left) with her mother, Cleo Babilonia (center), and older brother, Constancio Babilonia. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Tai Babilonia)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>My father is Filipino and Hopi Indian, and my mom is Black. We lived in a great neighborhood. It was a rainbow color of different nationalities: Hispanic and Black kids and white kids and mixed kids. It was on a street called Sierra Bonita in Los Angeles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11944239\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1440px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11944239 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/IMG_20210612_072954_061.jpg\" alt=\"A husband and wife pose for their wedding photo. The bride smiles to the left of her groom wearing a lacy, white gown. The groom smiles next to his bride in a white tux with black bowtie and a single white carnation on his lapel. She is Black, and he is Filipino and Hopi Indian.\" width=\"1440\" height=\"1800\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/IMG_20210612_072954_061.jpg 1440w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/IMG_20210612_072954_061-800x1000.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/IMG_20210612_072954_061-1020x1275.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/IMG_20210612_072954_061-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/IMG_20210612_072954_061-1229x1536.jpg 1229w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1440px) 100vw, 1440px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Tai Babilonia’s parents, Cleo Babilonia and Detective Sgt. Babilonia. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Tai Babilonia)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Tai Babilonia, Olympic figure skater\"]‘They had never seen a multiracial family. It makes you tough. You learn, whether you know it or not, you’re starting to build that armor.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[When we moved to the San Fernando Valley], we did get the looks. I got the funny looks when I was with my mother. It was the outside world that couldn’t figure it out. They didn’t know what to think of us. They had never seen a multiracial family. It makes you tough. You learn, whether you know it or not, you’re starting to build that armor. And, I think, that [was] protection for the future, when it did get a little uncomfortable.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On training with Mabel Fairbanks\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11944240\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1408px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11944240\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/image002.jpg\" alt=\"Two child figure skaters, one girl with a blond ponytail, and one boy with dark, short hair, glide on the ice together in a black and white image.\" width=\"1408\" height=\"1392\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/image002.jpg 1408w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/image002-800x791.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/image002-1020x1008.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/image002-160x158.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1408px) 100vw, 1408px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Babilonia and skating partner Randy Gardner as young skaters gliding on the ice. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Tai Babilonia and Detective Sgt. Babilonia)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>There’s a rink in Culver City. That’s where I started. I took [lessons] from Mabel Fairbanks. [She was a] pioneer, [the] first Black coach. She wasn’t allowed to compete or join a show. So, there’s no record of competitions or anything. But she fought and hustled just to make a living. She had to go abroad to make a name for herself and to pay the rent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were her kids, actually, because she didn’t have kids. [She] had a stable of students, all different nationalities, rich, poor, celebrities’ kids. We didn’t feel different. The one thing she did say, because we were all different shades of brown and beige and Black, [was] we must “jump higher, spin faster and sparkle brighter.” Huge lesson.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On competing at the highest levels\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11944232\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11944232\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A male and female figure skater wearing matching red, sparkly outfits glide across the ice.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1676\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-800x524.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-1020x668.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-160x105.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-1536x1006.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-2048x1341.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/GettyImages-515123508-1920x1257.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Babilonia and Gardner glide through their routine in Atlanta on Jan. 20, 1980. \u003ccite>(Bettmann/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>All of a sudden we’re on ABC \u003cem>Wide World of Sports\u003c/em> and, you know, just the it pair team. These two kids, young teens from Los Angeles. We came out of nowhere. Our first nationals, I think I was 12, 1973, and it was white. [There were] maybe one or two other Black skaters. And, there’s my mom in a sea of white parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kP4LXNFeTU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I was there to work and compete. Call [us] whatever you’re going to call us; put us in whatever category you want to put us in; I still have to go out and compete. And, you know, when you’re winning, it shuts people up. We were spinning faster and jumping higher and at the top of the podium.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Did I think about being a role model? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Now, looking back, I understand that I was. You start getting letters from kids in schools. Letters [from] kids of color saying, “It was so nice to see someone who looks like me.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On media coverage of her mixed-race identity\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Tai Babilonia, Olympic figure skater\"]‘They put me in the box that they felt comfortable in identifying me with.’[/pullquote]When I got into figure skating, questions would come up — [TV] networks not knowing what to call me. They didn’t know where to put me. And the word “exotic” always came up. Why couldn’t they just call me what I was? What stopped them from saying what my mother was and what my father was?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They put me in the box that they felt comfortable in identifying me with.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On talking with her son about his mixed-race heritage\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Scout is white — his dad’s white and Jewish — and then there’s my side of the family. I just tell him, “Scout, embrace everything that you are. Learn to embrace it. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/mixed-race\">\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This post is part of a series of stories on The California Report Magazine about the experience of being mixed race.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even if he’s not always recognized as part of the Asian American community, Oakland-born rapper Guap is fiercely proud of his Filipino roots. On the last track of his 2021 album, \u003cem>1176\u003c/em>, he tells an origin story spanning decades and continents. His grandfather, a Black merchant marine stationed in Subic Bay in the Philippines, found himself with a rip in the pocket of his uniform. He found a young Filipina seamstress to repair the pocket — and fell in love. When his time in Subic Bay came to an end, the two married and moved to a one-story house in West Oakland, where they would eventually raise their grandchild Guap, the first-born child of their youngest daughter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>1176\u003c/em>, created in collaboration with Filipino American producer !llmind, is Guap’s most personal work to date. It’s the culmination of a circuitous path into the music industry, from first getting recognition as a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGRgVCLfRHw&skip_registered_account_check=true\">scam rapper\u003c/a> to being featured on \u003ca href=\"https://open.spotify.com/album/2n3quCZ0anEa46j2IveacI\">a Grammy-nominated album\u003c/a> and a \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC-0vapGE0A\">Marvel movie soundtrack\u003c/a>. For the KQED series “Mixed: Stories of Mixed-Race Californians,” hosts Sasha Khokha and Marisa Lagos spoke to Guap about growing up Black and Filipino, the cultural impact his lola had on him, and how his mixed identity shows up in his music.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This interview has been edited for length and clarity — for the full version, listen to the audio at the top of this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11943567\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2250px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11943567\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit.png\" alt=\"A weathered white and light blue house sits in the middle as a young man in a light pink track suit points toward it with one hand, while holding his grandmother with the other. To the left, three teenagers are gathered as two kneel on the sidewalk playing dice.\" width=\"2250\" height=\"2250\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit.png 2250w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit-800x800.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit-1020x1020.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit-160x160.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit-1536x1536.png 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit-2048x2048.png 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/1176-no-edit-1920x1920.png 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2250px) 100vw, 2250px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Guap and his grandmother looking at the West Oakland house he grew up in. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Paul Middleton)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>On growing up with his grandparents\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>A lot of my creativity and explorative intent just came from [my grandfather, Douglas]. He was super handy in carpentry and home improvement. I probably get everything else in my life from my grandma. She is the most hard-working, sacrificial person ever. She doesn’t have a selfish bone in her body. I actually want her to be more selfish. I watched her work so many under-the-table jobs, fight to get legalized, even dealing with breast cancer and she’s still here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[pullquote size=\"medium\" align=\"right\" citation=\"Guap, rapper and musician\"]‘[My home] was really like a cultural hub for the neighborhood because my grandma would cook so much Filipino food.’[/pullquote]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We had a lot of fruit trees — a calamansi tree, which is a Filipino citrus fruit, a cherry tree, and an apple tree. And [my home] was really like a cultural hub for the neighborhood because my grandma would cook so much Filipino food, and we had an open-door policy. We had a lot of food and we shared it a lot so that my house was a home, not only to me growing up, but to a lot of my friends and people around us. My circle got so used to eating it that they kind of expected certain dishes: pancit, adobo, lumpia especially. I think that’s from the nature of my relationship with my grandma.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11943568\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1707px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11943568 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A Filipina grandmother in a fuzzy, brown coat and wearing sunglasses smiles as she poses for a photo with her grandson, who towers above her and lays his cheek on top of his head, wears a pink, knitted sweater and silver durag.\" width=\"1707\" height=\"2560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-scaled.jpg 1707w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-800x1200.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-1020x1530.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-1365x2048.jpg 1365w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/fnf-14-1920x2880.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1707px) 100vw, 1707px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Guap and his grandmother, Corazon Mckinzy, in Oakland. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Paul Middleton)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>On navigating Blackness in the Filipino community\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There was a lot of love inherently and a lot of acceptance, but there was also a lot of subtle racism. Even the Filipino elders, who I was receiving it from, didn’t really understand that it was racist. I never played sports, but I got compared to almost every athlete, mostly basketball players. And I used to be so irritated by that. I don’t want to be compared to them. There was even light pressure to get me to try to play basketball, and it got weird.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"More from The California Report’s ‘Mixed’ series\" tag=\"mixed\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So it was little things that built up over time. Comments and assumptions. Now, I know that a lot of my mischievousness as a child was because of ADHD. [Back then] I’d fiddle around with something and get in trouble and that was because I was the Black kid, not because something else was troubling me. Normal mental health issues got waved off as Black problems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[When I visited the Philippines] it was weird to see people almost as dark as me, but they still [were] kind of confused. The wildest thing was people coming up to me and touching my hair. My grandma warned me about that. But it was always cool when people just walked up speaking Tagalog assuming that I completely understood it because, you know, they’ll try to talk slower if they feel like you’re foreign. So I thought that was cool.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11943560\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11943560 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"A Filipina family of about a dozen men, women and children sit smiling at a dinner table; one woman hugs a baby on her lap. 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A stack of blue, plastic chairs are off to the side.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1708\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-2048x1366.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-117-1920x1281.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Guap with his extended family in the Philippines. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Paul Middleton)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>On performing at an LA Clippers game for Filipino Heritage Night\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Shout out to the homie Roslynn and her company, 1587. She’s a connector for a lot of Filipino American artists, and because of her, I was able to perform at halftime at the Crypto Arena. I couldn’t believe it. I was looking up at 15,000 people or something like that. It was a great vibe and I was just super humbled by it. When things like that happen, it doesn’t even hit me until I get home and I just smile about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB7siF0VKjY\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>On tapping into his roots when creating the song ‘Chicken Adobo’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>I was making this album with !llmind, who’s Filipino as well, and we were just kind of going over Filipino goals. [Like] what do I want out of this project? And I was like, you know, I always wanted a song that the Filipino kids or the islander kids with the ukulele can sing at the talent show, because we all know they’re going to do it. He was going through some beats and he was like, “You know, I have the perfect one.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DaovaJgytE\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And I was like, man, this makes me feel so warm. I want to make a love song. But if it’s for Filipino kids, I’ll talk about chicken adobo. That’s my favorite food. And eating food reminds me of love [and] love for family. It’s always food when I think about the old house, you know? So I was trying to channel that energy into the song, which is why I’m comparing the love of food to my love for this girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11943561\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1708px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11943561 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Rapper, musician Guap performs live on stage at a concert. He holds a mic in his hand as he wears a white tank top and red and orange-patterned pants.\" width=\"1708\" height=\"2560\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-scaled.jpg 1708w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-800x1199.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-1020x1529.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-160x240.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-1025x1536.jpg 1025w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-1366x2048.jpg 1366w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/PABATCHV2-78-1920x2879.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1708px) 100vw, 1708px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Guap performing at a live concert in Manila, Philippines. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Paul Middleton)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch2>On advice for fellow mixed-race artists\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>I need all my mixed people to talk about it. Express yourself. Express your vantage point, your perspective and put that in your art, especially to the artists. Let it become a part of your identity. I promise [that] the more you are self-aware, the less writer’s block you have. You don’t have to make anything up or fabricate anything when you can fully tap in with yourself. So don’t deny your art that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca id=\"anchor\">\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n[hearken id=\"7528\" src=\"https://modules.wearehearken.com/kqed/embed/7528.js\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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