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Hey Sarah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:26] \u003c/em>Hey, how’s it going?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:27] \u003c/em>Good, thank you so much for joining us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:28] \u003c/em>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:33] \u003c/em>You’ve been on the show before, but for folks who maybe aren’t as familiar. Can you tell us a little bit what you do here at KQED?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:39] \u003c/em>Yes, so I have the best job in the whole building, which is I get to write about parks and outdoors and recreation. I get write about my favorite hiking trails and kayaking and truly everything related to enjoying the outside here in the Bay Area in particular. And I also follow the news with national parks, so it’s a lot of fun. I also get to go out into the outdoors for my job, which a huge bonus of the position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:09] \u003c/em>Yeah, you kind of got to be outdoors to do your job, which is pretty cool. Yeah, so you mentioned you sort of follow what’s happening at the national level. You’re covering news about the outdoors, but also like fun stuff. So what is sort of driving your coverage at this particular point in the year?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:27] \u003c/em>Yeah, so because it’s spring, a lot of people are looking ahead to summer plans and trying to figure out how to spend their weekends or any trips they want to plan. So I’m doing a couple of stories around how to camp on the cheap, for example. We’re going to be talking about disperse camping, how to find spots when all your favorite campsites are already booked up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:47] \u003c/em>Ooh, that’s helpful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:48] \u003c/em>So yeah, just really trying to help people kind of like navigate kind of a complex system we have sometimes here with accessing the outdoors and just try to make it more accessible for everyone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:59] \u003c/em>Have you already locked down some camping reservations?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:02] \u003c/em>I have, I’m actually going to the newly reopened D.L. Bliss up in South Lake Tahoe, and I snagged a campsite for Memorial Day, so I’m so excited. I’m going to be up there, bring my paddleboard, hike the Rubicon Trail, have a nice time, so yeah, it’s going to great.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:23] \u003c/em>Well, we’re so excited for you to be joining us in this edition of our News Roundup. And I guess we could just dive right in to some of the stories we’ve been following. Starting with my story out of Oakland, where earlier this month the city passed a pretty controversial new policy that makes it easier for the city to sweep both encampments and also RVs without necessarily offering shelter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:53] \u003c/em>I feel like I’ve seen news like this come out of different cities in the Bay Area, San Francisco, San Jose. What would this policy in Oakland do?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:03] \u003c/em>Yeah, so this new policy which was passed earlier this month, one of the biggest things it does is it redefines what an encampment in Oakland is. This is according to reporting by Ella Jackson and Paula Sibulo for KQED. So this policy makes it possible for the city to site and tow inhabited vehicles and also authorizes immediate encampments enclosures including tents blocking sidewalks. City officials or city staff having to offer folks shelter before they sweep their encampment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:41] \u003c/em>So why why are they allowed to do this basically like why are they allowed to say you have to leave you can’t be here and also we don’t have a place for you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:50] \u003c/em>So yeah, it’s this combination of this 2024 Supreme Court ruling, which really lowered the barrier for cities across the country to really criminalize homelessness, even if shelter beds weren’t available. This policy was introduced by District 7 council member Ken Houston, who really built this policy as a public health and public safety issue aimed at reducing fires and assaults and robberies and other crimes. And as part of this policy, it also expands the definition of what are called high sensitivity areas. These are areas where encampments are assumed to negatively affect the health and public safety of the area, like schools, for example, or hospitals. Now that’s expanded to include public utilities and also public transit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:44] \u003c/em>I mean, over the last few years we’ve seen increasing public anger over street homelessness in particular. What does this look like in Oakland specifically? I mean is there more homelessness now than there was several years ago?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:58] \u003c/em>Yeah, I mean, the context is really important here. Homelessness is on the rise in Oakland. It was up 8.5% between 2022 and 2024, and people living in RVs has really exploded. And simultaneously, three Oakland shelters closed in the last few months. So currently, there are about 5,400 unhoused folks living in Oakland, and that far outpaces the number of overnight parking spots, shelter beds, and housing that the city currently provides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:34] \u003c/em>And so can you tell me a little bit about the people who came to the meeting, what were they saying, what solutions were they offering?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:41] \u003c/em>Yeah, so this new policy passed by a five to one vote and council member Carroll Fife abstained from the vote, saying that she couldn’t vote for a policy that didn’t address this big question of where folks go after their encampments are swept.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Carroll Fife: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:00] \u003c/em>And until we address that very fundamental issue, we are going to consistently have challenges with housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:10] \u003c/em>There were also a bunch of folks who came to speak out against this policy. According to reporting from KQED, the number of folks who spoke against it were really the loudest voice in the room.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Public Commenter: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:23] \u003c/em>My name is Renee Hayes. Evidence shows that encampment abatement or sweeps, that’s what they really do, that’s what they are, they do nothing to solve homelessness. The fact that they have to be repeated over and over again suggests that that’s ineffective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:42] \u003c/em>Advocates for the unhoused, you know, say that homeless encampment sweeps really set people back. They’ll take people’s stuff. Folks have to find another place to be. And Councilmember Ken Houston, who brought this policy forward, actually said he wasn’t even happy at the end of the council meeting, even though his policy passed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ken Houston: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:02] \u003c/em>This is a very, very difficult policy to move. It’s not perfect, but it’s a starting point. I appreciate the people that was against it or the people who just opposed it. I appreciate your words, your effort. This is what this country is about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:20] \u003c/em>Were there any changes to this policy before it was passed?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:23] \u003c/em>The original text actually would have allowed the arrests of people simply camping but not necessarily engaged in criminal activity. That has been taken out. And also the policy does now require city staff to make, quote, reasonable efforts to shelter. Many still see this policy as another example of how homelessness is being criminalized in the Bay Area. How folks just get pushed from one place to the next without real offers for help, and a policy that just makes it harder for folks to get back on their feet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:06] \u003c/em>And that is it for my story this month. We’re gonna take a quick break, but when we get back, we’ll talk with Alan and Sarah about some of the other stories they’ve been following this month, stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:16] \u003c/em>And welcome back to The Bay’s Monthly News Roundup where we talk about some of the other stories on our radar this month. The Bay’s Senior Editor, Alan Montecillo, I’m gonna turn to you. What story did you bring today?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:40] \u003c/em>Well, I don’t know if either of you’ve heard of the California billionaire tax. This is a proposed ballot measure that lots of people have been talking about. In fact, for a ballot measure that won’t be on the ballot this June, it’s gotten a lot of attention. There’s reporting on this from our colleague at KQED, Izzy Bloom. But the latest bit of news here is that this billionaire tax is now on track to make the November ballot. The union bringing forth this tax is SEIU. Which represents health care workers throughout the state. And they say they have submitted double the amount of signatures required for this to get on the November ballot. And so all that needs to happen is for the Secretary of State’s office to verify at least 850,000 of these signatures. So it’s extremely likely that all of us here will be voting on a potential billionaire tax this November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:31] \u003c/em>So billionaire tax, that sounds to me pretty straightforward, but tell us what it actually means. What does it do?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:37] \u003c/em>It’s actually quite interesting. This is a one-time 5% tax on the wealth and assets of California’s billionaires. That’s about 200 people. This would be the first tax of its kind in the United States. There’s no national wealth tax, there are no states that have passed a tax that specifically goes after the assets of billionaires, it is a direct response in many ways to the One big beautiful bill act signed into law by President Donald Trump last year. As many people may know, it made huge cuts to programs like Medi-Cal. And in fact, the union, SEIU, really framed this as a way to try and backfill some of those cuts. Suzanne Jimenez with SEIU talks about the goals of this tax.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Suzanne Jimenez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:23] \u003c/em>At the end of this, this is really about solving a problem that is making sure hospitals, clinics and ER stay open.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:29] \u003c/em>Most of that money would go to Medi-Cal, some would go to K through 12 education, community college programs, CalFresh. It also has support from major progressive figures in the Democratic Party, notably Senator Bernie Sanders, Silicon Valley Representative Ro Khanna, former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:46] \u003c/em>And do we have a sense of how much money this new tax is supposed to generate and whether it would actually fill the gaps created by the One Big Beautiful Bill?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:00] \u003c/em>So right now, it’s estimated that this tax would generate about $100 billion in revenue. I don’t think it would necessarily restore all of the cuts that are going to be made to Medi-Cal. Federally, the cuts to Medicaid are estimated to be in the $900 billion to $1 trillion range over the next decade. In terms of the funds generated from this tax, this is not a tax that would be in place permanently. Billionaires who would be subject to this tax could pay 5% immediately or 1% over five years. So, certainly it would generate funds, and the intent is that it would help make up for these federal cuts, but I don’t think it’s going to make those programs whole in perpetuity because this is a one-time tax.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:41] \u003c/em>Just judging by the number of signatures this got, it seems like it’s somewhat popular. Is there any major opposition to it, or how’s it going to fare in the actual ballot box?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:50] \u003c/em>Oh yeah, there’s a lot of opposition. I mean, as you might imagine, the tech industry, billionaires, moderate Democrats are very much against this. I think that the main argument against this is that wealthy people will leave and take their tax revenue with them, and that in California, which already has a very progressive tax system, we already rely disproportionately on tax revenue from rich people to fund social services. In many ways, this measure has also divided the Democratic Party in California. Governor Gavin Newsom is against this. Another opponent is San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan, who is running for governor and is a favorite of the tech industry. And he says ultimately this will hurt middle-class taxpayers in the long run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Matt Mahan: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:32] \u003c/em>A wealth tax in particular is fundamentally different from other taxes, and it has the highest unintended consequences. It will lead to middle class people having to pay higher taxes in the long run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:42] \u003c/em>Just saying they don’t like this, they are taking action. Opponents are likely to submit a rival ballot measure later in the week called the Transparency Act of 2026, funded by Silicon Valley billionaires, including Sergey Brin, the co-founder of Google. Sort of complicated, but it would require audits or programs funded by new taxes. And the big thing here, and this is a very California thing to do, is that this ballot measure would potentially nullify the billionaire tax. So. It wouldn’t be a California election if we weren’t voting on dueling ballot measures. So if both measures qualify for the ballot and they both pass, whichever one has the most votes goes into effect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:22] \u003c/em>I’m assuming we might be seeing lots of ads coming very soon related to both of these ballot measures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:31] \u003c/em>Oh yeah, get- get ready. I think once the June primary is over, you’re gonna see just an avalanche of ads. I mean…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:38] \u003c/em>My YouTube’s gonna be crazy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:40] \u003c/em>Yeah, mine’s already crazy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:48] \u003c/em>Allen Montecillo, senior editor for The Bay, thanks for bringing that story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:52] \u003c/em>You’re very welcome.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:58] \u003c/em>And last but not least, Sarah Wright, Outdoors reporter for KQED. What story did you bring for us today?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:04] \u003c/em>Yes, so I am obsessed with this story. This was written by my colleague Nisa Khan and Lakshmi Sarah. And they looked into this past month of weddings that were held at the San Francisco Public Library.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:18] \u003c/em>Hmm\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:19] \u003c/em>It was a unique event, this has never happened before, but for the whole month of April, people for the first time were allowed to get married at the San Francisco Public Library and they did and it was beautiful. The library is thinking about making this an annual thing, there were only nine couples who were able to do it, the weddings were free, they won the opportunity through a lottery. It’s so fun to see people kind of like celebrating their home city, each other and like The fact that we as a community get to witness that I think is really beautiful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:52] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s so sweet and also, I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of someone getting married in a library. I feel like typically if you’re getting married in San Francisco, you’re getting married at San Francisco City Hall. So why is SF Public Library doing this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:07] \u003c/em>Yeah, so it’s their 30th anniversary, so they really wanted to have a big celebration. They told these reporters that they have been begged, basically, to be doing this for a while, but they just didn’t really have the processes in place to be able to legally officiate and host weddings. And once they got all of that settled, the demand was just incredible. So they were more than happy to provide the service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:33] \u003c/em>What are some of these library weddings like? I mean, I have to imagine they would run a little smaller, a little quieter than a usual wedding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:44] \u003c/em>Absolutely. There is like a very cutesy book backdrop. They’re between the shelves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Officiant: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:50] \u003c/em>Always promise to abide by all library rules, try to keep your library card to active, and promise to always help each other return your borrowed books and materials on time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:06] \u003c/em>Everyone’s a little emotional, as people are at a wedding, some of the library staff were there to witness it and they said, you know, we don’t even know these couples, but this is so beautiful and special to be just a regular day at the library, except it’s not because it’s somebody’s biggest day of their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Officiant: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:24] \u003c/em>By virtue of the authority vested in me by the state of California, I now pronounce you husband and wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:36] \u003c/em>If you’re looking for like a really intimate, beautiful, personal ceremony, I can see how this would be absolutely perfect. And a lot of the couples said like, you know, there’s even books that have played just like such a huge role in our relationship. So to be able to like celebrate among them is like true to us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:55] \u003c/em>You mentioned it’s the San Francisco Public Library’s 30th anniversary, and they’re planning to make this more of a thing from now on. Like, how does one get married at the library if they are interested?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:10] \u003c/em>Yes, so they haven’t announced officially, but they’re talking about annually doing a month like this past month where, you know, they can hold another lottery, more people can come on. But for this story, my colleagues offered some alternatives because this isn’t an opportunity everybody can take, right? They kind of pulled together this wonderful list of dates and romantic adventures for you and your book lover, basically, or book friend or book lover self. Personally, I live in Noe Valley. And so we have the Noe valley bookstore and it’s incredibly cute right across the street from Bernie’s, which is a coffee shop that sells some of their books. So that to me was like, ah, that is a perfect date. I should go there. So it just really spoke to me because I’ve heard of many of these spots, but it’s clear that there’s like just so such a wealth of book loving opportunities in the bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:05] \u003c/em>What’s the Venn diagram you think between public radio people and people who would get married in a library?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:09] \u003c/em>Like, is it a circle? Possibly. I said, you know, I was reading the story, and I was like, this is the most KQED story ever. I love that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:19] \u003c/em>Yes, support your public libraries and your public radio stations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:23] \u003c/em>Absolutely Well, Sarah Wright, thank you so much for bringing that story for us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:32] \u003c/em>Yes, thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:34] \u003c/em>And Senior Editor Alan Montecillo, thanks for joining me as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"\" title=\"\">\u003ci>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco-Northern California Local.\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:19] \u003c/em>Hello, good morning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:20] \u003c/em>And our very special guest this month is KQED’s outdoors reporter, Sarah Wright. Hey Sarah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:26] \u003c/em>Hey, how’s it going?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:27] \u003c/em>Good, thank you so much for joining us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:28] \u003c/em>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:33] \u003c/em>You’ve been on the show before, but for folks who maybe aren’t as familiar. Can you tell us a little bit what you do here at KQED?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:39] \u003c/em>Yes, so I have the best job in the whole building, which is I get to write about parks and outdoors and recreation. I get write about my favorite hiking trails and kayaking and truly everything related to enjoying the outside here in the Bay Area in particular. And I also follow the news with national parks, so it’s a lot of fun. I also get to go out into the outdoors for my job, which a huge bonus of the position.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:09] \u003c/em>Yeah, you kind of got to be outdoors to do your job, which is pretty cool. Yeah, so you mentioned you sort of follow what’s happening at the national level. You’re covering news about the outdoors, but also like fun stuff. So what is sort of driving your coverage at this particular point in the year?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:27] \u003c/em>Yeah, so because it’s spring, a lot of people are looking ahead to summer plans and trying to figure out how to spend their weekends or any trips they want to plan. So I’m doing a couple of stories around how to camp on the cheap, for example. We’re going to be talking about disperse camping, how to find spots when all your favorite campsites are already booked up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:47] \u003c/em>Ooh, that’s helpful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:48] \u003c/em>So yeah, just really trying to help people kind of like navigate kind of a complex system we have sometimes here with accessing the outdoors and just try to make it more accessible for everyone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:59] \u003c/em>Have you already locked down some camping reservations?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:02] \u003c/em>I have, I’m actually going to the newly reopened D.L. Bliss up in South Lake Tahoe, and I snagged a campsite for Memorial Day, so I’m so excited. I’m going to be up there, bring my paddleboard, hike the Rubicon Trail, have a nice time, so yeah, it’s going to great.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:23] \u003c/em>Well, we’re so excited for you to be joining us in this edition of our News Roundup. And I guess we could just dive right in to some of the stories we’ve been following. Starting with my story out of Oakland, where earlier this month the city passed a pretty controversial new policy that makes it easier for the city to sweep both encampments and also RVs without necessarily offering shelter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:53] \u003c/em>I feel like I’ve seen news like this come out of different cities in the Bay Area, San Francisco, San Jose. What would this policy in Oakland do?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:03] \u003c/em>Yeah, so this new policy which was passed earlier this month, one of the biggest things it does is it redefines what an encampment in Oakland is. This is according to reporting by Ella Jackson and Paula Sibulo for KQED. So this policy makes it possible for the city to site and tow inhabited vehicles and also authorizes immediate encampments enclosures including tents blocking sidewalks. City officials or city staff having to offer folks shelter before they sweep their encampment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:41] \u003c/em>So why why are they allowed to do this basically like why are they allowed to say you have to leave you can’t be here and also we don’t have a place for you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:50] \u003c/em>So yeah, it’s this combination of this 2024 Supreme Court ruling, which really lowered the barrier for cities across the country to really criminalize homelessness, even if shelter beds weren’t available. This policy was introduced by District 7 council member Ken Houston, who really built this policy as a public health and public safety issue aimed at reducing fires and assaults and robberies and other crimes. And as part of this policy, it also expands the definition of what are called high sensitivity areas. These are areas where encampments are assumed to negatively affect the health and public safety of the area, like schools, for example, or hospitals. Now that’s expanded to include public utilities and also public transit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:44] \u003c/em>I mean, over the last few years we’ve seen increasing public anger over street homelessness in particular. What does this look like in Oakland specifically? I mean is there more homelessness now than there was several years ago?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:58] \u003c/em>Yeah, I mean, the context is really important here. Homelessness is on the rise in Oakland. It was up 8.5% between 2022 and 2024, and people living in RVs has really exploded. And simultaneously, three Oakland shelters closed in the last few months. So currently, there are about 5,400 unhoused folks living in Oakland, and that far outpaces the number of overnight parking spots, shelter beds, and housing that the city currently provides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:34] \u003c/em>And so can you tell me a little bit about the people who came to the meeting, what were they saying, what solutions were they offering?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:41] \u003c/em>Yeah, so this new policy passed by a five to one vote and council member Carroll Fife abstained from the vote, saying that she couldn’t vote for a policy that didn’t address this big question of where folks go after their encampments are swept.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Carroll Fife: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:00] \u003c/em>And until we address that very fundamental issue, we are going to consistently have challenges with housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:10] \u003c/em>There were also a bunch of folks who came to speak out against this policy. According to reporting from KQED, the number of folks who spoke against it were really the loudest voice in the room.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Public Commenter: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:23] \u003c/em>My name is Renee Hayes. Evidence shows that encampment abatement or sweeps, that’s what they really do, that’s what they are, they do nothing to solve homelessness. The fact that they have to be repeated over and over again suggests that that’s ineffective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:42] \u003c/em>Advocates for the unhoused, you know, say that homeless encampment sweeps really set people back. They’ll take people’s stuff. Folks have to find another place to be. And Councilmember Ken Houston, who brought this policy forward, actually said he wasn’t even happy at the end of the council meeting, even though his policy passed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ken Houston: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:02] \u003c/em>This is a very, very difficult policy to move. It’s not perfect, but it’s a starting point. I appreciate the people that was against it or the people who just opposed it. I appreciate your words, your effort. This is what this country is about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:20] \u003c/em>Were there any changes to this policy before it was passed?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:23] \u003c/em>The original text actually would have allowed the arrests of people simply camping but not necessarily engaged in criminal activity. That has been taken out. And also the policy does now require city staff to make, quote, reasonable efforts to shelter. Many still see this policy as another example of how homelessness is being criminalized in the Bay Area. How folks just get pushed from one place to the next without real offers for help, and a policy that just makes it harder for folks to get back on their feet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:06] \u003c/em>And that is it for my story this month. We’re gonna take a quick break, but when we get back, we’ll talk with Alan and Sarah about some of the other stories they’ve been following this month, stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:16] \u003c/em>And welcome back to The Bay’s Monthly News Roundup where we talk about some of the other stories on our radar this month. The Bay’s Senior Editor, Alan Montecillo, I’m gonna turn to you. What story did you bring today?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:40] \u003c/em>Well, I don’t know if either of you’ve heard of the California billionaire tax. This is a proposed ballot measure that lots of people have been talking about. In fact, for a ballot measure that won’t be on the ballot this June, it’s gotten a lot of attention. There’s reporting on this from our colleague at KQED, Izzy Bloom. But the latest bit of news here is that this billionaire tax is now on track to make the November ballot. The union bringing forth this tax is SEIU. Which represents health care workers throughout the state. And they say they have submitted double the amount of signatures required for this to get on the November ballot. And so all that needs to happen is for the Secretary of State’s office to verify at least 850,000 of these signatures. So it’s extremely likely that all of us here will be voting on a potential billionaire tax this November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:31] \u003c/em>So billionaire tax, that sounds to me pretty straightforward, but tell us what it actually means. What does it do?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:37] \u003c/em>It’s actually quite interesting. This is a one-time 5% tax on the wealth and assets of California’s billionaires. That’s about 200 people. This would be the first tax of its kind in the United States. There’s no national wealth tax, there are no states that have passed a tax that specifically goes after the assets of billionaires, it is a direct response in many ways to the One big beautiful bill act signed into law by President Donald Trump last year. As many people may know, it made huge cuts to programs like Medi-Cal. And in fact, the union, SEIU, really framed this as a way to try and backfill some of those cuts. Suzanne Jimenez with SEIU talks about the goals of this tax.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Suzanne Jimenez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:23] \u003c/em>At the end of this, this is really about solving a problem that is making sure hospitals, clinics and ER stay open.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:29] \u003c/em>Most of that money would go to Medi-Cal, some would go to K through 12 education, community college programs, CalFresh. It also has support from major progressive figures in the Democratic Party, notably Senator Bernie Sanders, Silicon Valley Representative Ro Khanna, former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:46] \u003c/em>And do we have a sense of how much money this new tax is supposed to generate and whether it would actually fill the gaps created by the One Big Beautiful Bill?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:00] \u003c/em>So right now, it’s estimated that this tax would generate about $100 billion in revenue. I don’t think it would necessarily restore all of the cuts that are going to be made to Medi-Cal. Federally, the cuts to Medicaid are estimated to be in the $900 billion to $1 trillion range over the next decade. In terms of the funds generated from this tax, this is not a tax that would be in place permanently. Billionaires who would be subject to this tax could pay 5% immediately or 1% over five years. So, certainly it would generate funds, and the intent is that it would help make up for these federal cuts, but I don’t think it’s going to make those programs whole in perpetuity because this is a one-time tax.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:41] \u003c/em>Just judging by the number of signatures this got, it seems like it’s somewhat popular. Is there any major opposition to it, or how’s it going to fare in the actual ballot box?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:50] \u003c/em>Oh yeah, there’s a lot of opposition. I mean, as you might imagine, the tech industry, billionaires, moderate Democrats are very much against this. I think that the main argument against this is that wealthy people will leave and take their tax revenue with them, and that in California, which already has a very progressive tax system, we already rely disproportionately on tax revenue from rich people to fund social services. In many ways, this measure has also divided the Democratic Party in California. Governor Gavin Newsom is against this. Another opponent is San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan, who is running for governor and is a favorite of the tech industry. And he says ultimately this will hurt middle-class taxpayers in the long run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Matt Mahan: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:32] \u003c/em>A wealth tax in particular is fundamentally different from other taxes, and it has the highest unintended consequences. It will lead to middle class people having to pay higher taxes in the long run.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:42] \u003c/em>Just saying they don’t like this, they are taking action. Opponents are likely to submit a rival ballot measure later in the week called the Transparency Act of 2026, funded by Silicon Valley billionaires, including Sergey Brin, the co-founder of Google. Sort of complicated, but it would require audits or programs funded by new taxes. And the big thing here, and this is a very California thing to do, is that this ballot measure would potentially nullify the billionaire tax. So. It wouldn’t be a California election if we weren’t voting on dueling ballot measures. So if both measures qualify for the ballot and they both pass, whichever one has the most votes goes into effect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:22] \u003c/em>I’m assuming we might be seeing lots of ads coming very soon related to both of these ballot measures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:31] \u003c/em>Oh yeah, get- get ready. I think once the June primary is over, you’re gonna see just an avalanche of ads. I mean…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:38] \u003c/em>My YouTube’s gonna be crazy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:40] \u003c/em>Yeah, mine’s already crazy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:48] \u003c/em>Allen Montecillo, senior editor for The Bay, thanks for bringing that story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:52] \u003c/em>You’re very welcome.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:58] \u003c/em>And last but not least, Sarah Wright, Outdoors reporter for KQED. What story did you bring for us today?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:04] \u003c/em>Yes, so I am obsessed with this story. This was written by my colleague Nisa Khan and Lakshmi Sarah. And they looked into this past month of weddings that were held at the San Francisco Public Library.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:18] \u003c/em>Hmm\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:19] \u003c/em>It was a unique event, this has never happened before, but for the whole month of April, people for the first time were allowed to get married at the San Francisco Public Library and they did and it was beautiful. The library is thinking about making this an annual thing, there were only nine couples who were able to do it, the weddings were free, they won the opportunity through a lottery. It’s so fun to see people kind of like celebrating their home city, each other and like The fact that we as a community get to witness that I think is really beautiful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:52] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s so sweet and also, I don’t know if I’ve ever heard of someone getting married in a library. I feel like typically if you’re getting married in San Francisco, you’re getting married at San Francisco City Hall. So why is SF Public Library doing this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:07] \u003c/em>Yeah, so it’s their 30th anniversary, so they really wanted to have a big celebration. They told these reporters that they have been begged, basically, to be doing this for a while, but they just didn’t really have the processes in place to be able to legally officiate and host weddings. And once they got all of that settled, the demand was just incredible. So they were more than happy to provide the service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:33] \u003c/em>What are some of these library weddings like? I mean, I have to imagine they would run a little smaller, a little quieter than a usual wedding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:44] \u003c/em>Absolutely. There is like a very cutesy book backdrop. They’re between the shelves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Officiant: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:50] \u003c/em>Always promise to abide by all library rules, try to keep your library card to active, and promise to always help each other return your borrowed books and materials on time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:06] \u003c/em>Everyone’s a little emotional, as people are at a wedding, some of the library staff were there to witness it and they said, you know, we don’t even know these couples, but this is so beautiful and special to be just a regular day at the library, except it’s not because it’s somebody’s biggest day of their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Officiant: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:24] \u003c/em>By virtue of the authority vested in me by the state of California, I now pronounce you husband and wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:36] \u003c/em>If you’re looking for like a really intimate, beautiful, personal ceremony, I can see how this would be absolutely perfect. And a lot of the couples said like, you know, there’s even books that have played just like such a huge role in our relationship. So to be able to like celebrate among them is like true to us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:55] \u003c/em>You mentioned it’s the San Francisco Public Library’s 30th anniversary, and they’re planning to make this more of a thing from now on. Like, how does one get married at the library if they are interested?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:10] \u003c/em>Yes, so they haven’t announced officially, but they’re talking about annually doing a month like this past month where, you know, they can hold another lottery, more people can come on. But for this story, my colleagues offered some alternatives because this isn’t an opportunity everybody can take, right? They kind of pulled together this wonderful list of dates and romantic adventures for you and your book lover, basically, or book friend or book lover self. Personally, I live in Noe Valley. And so we have the Noe valley bookstore and it’s incredibly cute right across the street from Bernie’s, which is a coffee shop that sells some of their books. So that to me was like, ah, that is a perfect date. I should go there. So it just really spoke to me because I’ve heard of many of these spots, but it’s clear that there’s like just so such a wealth of book loving opportunities in the bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:05] \u003c/em>What’s the Venn diagram you think between public radio people and people who would get married in a library?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sarah Wright: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:09] \u003c/em>Like, is it a circle? Possibly. I said, you know, I was reading the story, and I was like, this is the most KQED story ever. 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What Could It Mean for Your Bills?\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco-Northern California Local.\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC1863177327\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch4>Episode transcript\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted. Out along the California coast, smack dab between Morro Bay and Avila Beach in San Luis Obispo County, is California’s last operating nuclear power plant. Diablo Canyon Power Plant, which supplies almost 9% of California’s energy, sits between rolling green hills and sea life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tom Jones \u003c/strong>[00:00:35] So we’re coming up on Lion Rock. This is a sea lion rookery. So we’ll see if they’re not out hunting right now. But you’ll also see large bird colonies on here. And when we come up to it, that rock’s going to seem like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:48] But behind the natural beauty of this area is a huge debate about what role nuclear power should play in California’s future. Nuclear power has always been controversial because of the environmental, health, and safety risks associated with it. And until just a few years ago, California had plans to close Diablo Canyon for good. But between climate change and PG&E power shutoffs, California has turned around on Diablo Canyon. Now there are plans to keep it open until 2030. And lawmakers are debating how much longer we’re gonna want nuclear power to play a role moving forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:01:37] You know, what this debate brings up is a piece of what’s happening as the climate crisis unfolds, which is that there are tradeoffs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:46] Today, inside California’s last nuclear power plant and the debate over nuclear power’s role in our future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:00] There’s obviously all these different ways that we get power, solar, wind, also fossil fuels, but what role does nuclear power play in California?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:02:10] It’s about 9% of the electricity. In 2023, 67% of the power we got was actually from carbon-free energy. That includes all the renewables that you were mentioning, solar and wind and backup batteries and stuff, but also nuclear. And if you look at the non-carbon producing sources, it’s 17% of that is from this nuclear power plant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:38] You actually went out to visit California’s last nuclear power plant, but before we dive into your tour there, why is there so much focus on Diablo Canyon right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:02:50] Because it’s just past its last hurdle for being able to run to 2030. And now that that’s happened, we’re hearing more about this because PG&E and business groups and other individuals are interested in moving that end date from 2030 to 2045.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:14] One reason why this feels notable too is because it was originally slated to close. Can you talk a little bit about why that was and why we seem to be sort of turning around?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:03:26] Yeah. So in 2016, there was an agreement that was reached with PG&E, with lawmakers, with labor groups, and with environmentalists who’ve lobbied for decades to close down Diablo Canyon that it would actually close and be decommissioned. There’s two reactors, and the final one was going to close in 2025. And the thought then was people had soured on nuclear. We’ve seen incidents in the past. Fukushima had happened in 2011, I believe. And also, we had this push towards renewables in California, which we still do. And the idea was we will have enough renewables on the grid by that time that we shouldn’t need this resource and let’s just be done with it. And PG&E said it’s not financially. Doesn’t make sense anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Newsreel \u003c/strong>[00:04:16] Still more than 600,000 customers waiting for their power to be restored. And we’re awaiting a live news conference from Governor Newsom. Let’s begin with the current PG and E outage map. The wind is dying. Then\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:04:28] Then, in 2020, we had a bunch of rolling blackouts. And we have started to feel the impacts of climate change in the form of these elongated heat waves and people blasting their AC. So in intense periods of strain on the grid, where it’s like the grid is reaching capacity. When that started happening, folks were like, OK, why would we take 9% of this stable power off the grid? And, politically… Blackouts can lead to recalls in California and stuff like that, so people don’t want blackouts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:03] So we’re in this moment, basically, where these sort of series of power-related events, power shutoffs, are creating this sort of political moment where there’s maybe more of a desire to actually keep this power plant open.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Newsreel \u003c/strong>[00:05:19] And this was pushed by Governor Gavin Newsom and his office. His office released a statement saying in part, the governor is in support of keeping all options on the table to ensure we have a reliable grid. Especially the other piece of this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:05:31] This was that we have been building out renewables, but a lot of energy experts feel like it’s not yet at a place where we can pull Diablo Canyon off the grid. That depends on who you ask, right? Some people will say yes, but others will say no, we’d have to fire up a few extra new gas power plants to do that, which is a problem because we want to reduce our missions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:55] You actually went to Diablo Canyon for a visit, Laura. What was it like just getting there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:06:03] I mean, it was so cool. It’s like one of those moments when you’re like, this is a cool job as a reporter, where you get to sort of like lift the curtain. It’s on the coast and it’s behind like a bunch of mountains. So you actually can’t see it unless you get go in. Definitely on the lookout for Homer Simpson. Didn’t find him. The way you get there is you drive to Avila Beach, go through a private road, drive seven miles in this beautiful landscape. Then you come over this hill and you just see these two domes. And that is, those are the two nuclear reactors. And just sort of like this concrete village comes into focus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>PG&E staffer \u003c/strong>[00:06:50] Laura, I want you to meet Maureen Zawalick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:06:52] Hello Laura, nice to meet you. Welcome to Diablo Canyon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:06:55] Thank you so much. Yeah. It’s a great day to be here. Uh huh. Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:06:59] A lot of the tour was led by Maureen Zawalick, she’s the senior vice president and chief risk officer at PG&E. Because it’s so remote, they have their own security force, their own fire department. Yeah, so all of a sudden you’re in this rural place and then you come over and there’s like this concrete, you know, behemoth of a power plant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:07:18] So we’re going to go in here and do all the security stuff. Is this your first time at Diablo?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:25] Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:07:25] And then first time in a nuclear power plant?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:28] Yes. Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:30] Once you’re actually inside, what is that like? And I guess what did you learn about what it takes to actually make nuclear power?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:39] There’s a variety of things happening there, but one of the more interesting parts that we went to is called the turbine deck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:07:49] So the turbine deck will be a bit warm. There it was showing about 100 degrees on the deck. So, you know, we’ll walk and talk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:57] Super loud in there because there’s like this enormous thing spinning Basically, inside the turbine deck, it looks like a big hangar. It’s the size of two-and-a-half football fields. And then inside, it’s like a semicircle on the ground, almost like a pipe turned sideways, cut in half, is what you see. And then all these big insulated pipes coming in and out of it. It is taking in steam that is generated by fission, which is the splitting of uranium atoms. Creates heat, heats up water. That steam goes into a turbine, which is basically like a fan. And then it connects to a generator, moves the generator, and it takes that heat and turns it into kinetic energy, like the energy of movement. And then, it turns it in to the energy that goes out over our power lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:09:02] So it’s like a tea kettle would be the best way to describe it, and that you’re heating up the water and the steam is going to come out when it’s done. And that’s what’s going to happen here in the steam generators. And then the steam from there is then going to exit out into the turbines and the generator to make the steam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:09:20] Electricity. And the next door to the turbine deck are the actual nuclear reactors. Now I did not go in there, I didn’t get that level of access, but that is where the uranium is held and fission is happening and then feeding the the heat energy into the turbine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:09:38] What about nuclear waste? I mean, I know that’s been a, I mean one of the criticisms of these sorts of facilities. Where does that go?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:09:46] The national government is supposed to take nuclear waste, but we don’t have a place to put it right now. So in the interim, nuclear power plants store the waste on site. But, you know, it’s radioactive and it will be that way for thousands and thousands of years. And so, right, this is the crux of the pushback around nuclear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:19] Now we’re in this moment where lawmakers are debating this question of whether to keep this facility open. 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We need a diverse mix of energy sources, not only here in California, but in the US.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:11:46] Another argument is a financial one that all the building materials, everything, it’s already been built and it’s just at this point functioning, right? And even if there is a capital investment, economists who look into this think that is still going to be less expensive than like trying to stand up another alternative. Also, of course, it doesn’t produce carbon emissions. So I think a lot of people have become more interested in nuclear in recent years, feeling the impacts of climate change and saying, is this the better of two options?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:18] And what about the cons?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:12:19] The cons are many as well. A huge criticism of the power plant is the way that it cools its equipment, which is pulling in two billion, two and a half billion by some estimates, gallons of water a day. Wow. Which is enough to fill, I think, 3,000 Olympic-size swimming pools a day, so they pull that water in, cool equipment, and put it back out in the ocean. It doesn’t touch nuclear stuff, but it gets heated up. And so it enters, and then it exits about 17 degrees warmer. What is killed through that once-through cooling system is about 2 billion larval fish a year. And so those are like teeny tiny things that could become fish but won’t. And these things, these smaller things that do die in the process of the cooling, they make up the base of the food chain in the ocean. Diablo Canyon sits very close to several seismic fault lines, and this was not known initially. But as it was being built, one was discovered in the ocean about three and a half miles away. 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It was fascinating to go back and look at old news clippings of a blockade where almost 2000 people were arrested in the 80s. This is… This is a thing and it will continue to be a thing and it should be because it’s a risky endeavor. It’s a high stakes endeavor. It could offer and has offered huge benefit, but those things are both true.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:15:38] I want to talk now, Laura, about what could happen next here. I mean, what are the next steps for this facility? And I mean is it decided already? Or what happens from here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:15:49] It’s absolutely not decided. I think what we want to look for is, will there be legislation introduced this year? We’ve already had a business group announcing a coalition of business groups in support of keeping Diablo Canyon open till past 2030, I believe, till 2045. So like, people are beginning to lobby for this. An important piece of this for the community around it is what kind of benefits they can get. From the taxes from PG&E, benefits to our school systems, to their community at large, to the people who work there, and safety concerns that those are all answered. And then this last deal that was cut to keep Diablo Canyon open in 2022, many critics will say it was a bad deal for taxpayers and ratepayers that were paying too much for it. We actually should be paying less. We’re only actually paying $2.23 on our bills monthly for Diablo canyon, if you’re a PG&e. A customer, but some people I’ve spoken to say we should be getting a credit at this point. We have so far paid this off and the price that PG is charging for it is inflated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:16:59] And what about like, I guess in the larger context of this bigger conversation about how we get our power in California, is nuclear still a small percentage of that? 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Nuclear power has always been controversial because of the environmental, health, and safety risks associated with it. And until just a few years ago, California had plans to close Diablo Canyon for good. But between climate change and PG&E power shutoffs, California has turned around on Diablo Canyon. Now there are plans to keep it open until 2030. 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That includes all the renewables that you were mentioning, solar and wind and backup batteries and stuff, but also nuclear. And if you look at the non-carbon producing sources, it’s 17% of that is from this nuclear power plant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:38] You actually went out to visit California’s last nuclear power plant, but before we dive into your tour there, why is there so much focus on Diablo Canyon right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:02:50] Because it’s just past its last hurdle for being able to run to 2030. And now that that’s happened, we’re hearing more about this because PG&E and business groups and other individuals are interested in moving that end date from 2030 to 2045.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:14] One reason why this feels notable too is because it was originally slated to close. Can you talk a little bit about why that was and why we seem to be sort of turning around?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:03:26] Yeah. So in 2016, there was an agreement that was reached with PG&E, with lawmakers, with labor groups, and with environmentalists who’ve lobbied for decades to close down Diablo Canyon that it would actually close and be decommissioned. There’s two reactors, and the final one was going to close in 2025. And the thought then was people had soured on nuclear. We’ve seen incidents in the past. Fukushima had happened in 2011, I believe. And also, we had this push towards renewables in California, which we still do. And the idea was we will have enough renewables on the grid by that time that we shouldn’t need this resource and let’s just be done with it. And PG&E said it’s not financially. Doesn’t make sense anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Newsreel \u003c/strong>[00:04:16] Still more than 600,000 customers waiting for their power to be restored. And we’re awaiting a live news conference from Governor Newsom. Let’s begin with the current PG and E outage map. The wind is dying. Then\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:04:28] Then, in 2020, we had a bunch of rolling blackouts. And we have started to feel the impacts of climate change in the form of these elongated heat waves and people blasting their AC. So in intense periods of strain on the grid, where it’s like the grid is reaching capacity. When that started happening, folks were like, OK, why would we take 9% of this stable power off the grid? 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Some people will say yes, but others will say no, we’d have to fire up a few extra new gas power plants to do that, which is a problem because we want to reduce our missions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:55] You actually went to Diablo Canyon for a visit, Laura. What was it like just getting there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:06:03] I mean, it was so cool. It’s like one of those moments when you’re like, this is a cool job as a reporter, where you get to sort of like lift the curtain. It’s on the coast and it’s behind like a bunch of mountains. So you actually can’t see it unless you get go in. Definitely on the lookout for Homer Simpson. Didn’t find him. The way you get there is you drive to Avila Beach, go through a private road, drive seven miles in this beautiful landscape. Then you come over this hill and you just see these two domes. And that is, those are the two nuclear reactors. And just sort of like this concrete village comes into focus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>PG&E staffer \u003c/strong>[00:06:50] Laura, I want you to meet Maureen Zawalick.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:06:52] Hello Laura, nice to meet you. Welcome to Diablo Canyon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:06:55] Thank you so much. Yeah. It’s a great day to be here. Uh huh. Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:06:59] A lot of the tour was led by Maureen Zawalick, she’s the senior vice president and chief risk officer at PG&E. Because it’s so remote, they have their own security force, their own fire department. Yeah, so all of a sudden you’re in this rural place and then you come over and there’s like this concrete, you know, behemoth of a power plant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:07:18] So we’re going to go in here and do all the security stuff. Is this your first time at Diablo?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:25] Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:07:25] And then first time in a nuclear power plant?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:28] Yes. Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:30] Once you’re actually inside, what is that like? And I guess what did you learn about what it takes to actually make nuclear power?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:39] There’s a variety of things happening there, but one of the more interesting parts that we went to is called the turbine deck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:07:49] So the turbine deck will be a bit warm. There it was showing about 100 degrees on the deck. So, you know, we’ll walk and talk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:07:57] Super loud in there because there’s like this enormous thing spinning Basically, inside the turbine deck, it looks like a big hangar. It’s the size of two-and-a-half football fields. And then inside, it’s like a semicircle on the ground, almost like a pipe turned sideways, cut in half, is what you see. And then all these big insulated pipes coming in and out of it. It is taking in steam that is generated by fission, which is the splitting of uranium atoms. Creates heat, heats up water. That steam goes into a turbine, which is basically like a fan. And then it connects to a generator, moves the generator, and it takes that heat and turns it into kinetic energy, like the energy of movement. And then, it turns it in to the energy that goes out over our power lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:09:02] So it’s like a tea kettle would be the best way to describe it, and that you’re heating up the water and the steam is going to come out when it’s done. And that’s what’s going to happen here in the steam generators. And then the steam from there is then going to exit out into the turbines and the generator to make the steam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:09:20] Electricity. And the next door to the turbine deck are the actual nuclear reactors. Now I did not go in there, I didn’t get that level of access, but that is where the uranium is held and fission is happening and then feeding the the heat energy into the turbine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:09:38] What about nuclear waste? 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We’re not gonna have built out the solar and the battery and whatever other methods in time for taking Diablo offline in 2030, plus Diablo runs 24-7, we like that. It works. It works even when the sun goes down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:11:01] I always like to talk about the benefit of keeping Diablo Canyon operating from a standpoint of avoiding greenhouse gas emissions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:11:10] And so, Maureen Zawalick has been working in nuclear for decades, many of them at PG&E, and she’s a huge proponent of nuclear power and has a lot of reasons why she thinks that Diablo Cannon should stay online.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Maureen Zawalick \u003c/strong>[00:11:26] You know, with AI and data centers, electrification, all that. By 2045, it’s going to be 20 gigawatts more across California. Can’t be 100% nuclear, can’t be a 100% solar, can’t 100% hydro, right? You need a mix. 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A huge criticism of the power plant is the way that it cools its equipment, which is pulling in two billion, two and a half billion by some estimates, gallons of water a day. Wow. Which is enough to fill, I think, 3,000 Olympic-size swimming pools a day, so they pull that water in, cool equipment, and put it back out in the ocean. It doesn’t touch nuclear stuff, but it gets heated up. And so it enters, and then it exits about 17 degrees warmer. What is killed through that once-through cooling system is about 2 billion larval fish a year. And so those are like teeny tiny things that could become fish but won’t. And these things, these smaller things that do die in the process of the cooling, they make up the base of the food chain in the ocean. Diablo Canyon sits very close to several seismic fault lines, and this was not known initially. But as it was being built, one was discovered in the ocean about three and a half miles away. 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It was fascinating to go back and look at old news clippings of a blockade where almost 2000 people were arrested in the 80s. This is… This is a thing and it will continue to be a thing and it should be because it’s a risky endeavor. It’s a high stakes endeavor. It could offer and has offered huge benefit, but those things are both true.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:15:38] I want to talk now, Laura, about what could happen next here. I mean, what are the next steps for this facility? And I mean is it decided already? Or what happens from here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Laura Klivans \u003c/strong>[00:15:49] It’s absolutely not decided. I think what we want to look for is, will there be legislation introduced this year? We’ve already had a business group announcing a coalition of business groups in support of keeping Diablo Canyon open till past 2030, I believe, till 2045. So like, people are beginning to lobby for this. 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