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Some of the most effective schools in the state still had absenteeism rates above 40 or 50 percent, said Jeremy Singer, assistant professor at the University of Michigan-Flint and lead author of the study.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The schools making the most progress tend to educate many children in poverty, often clustered in the state’s poorest cities, such as Detroit, Flint and Saginaw, or in economically depressed rural areas where farms are rapidly going out of business. Across the nation, absenteeism rates are highest in poor communities where evictions, addiction, transportation problems, health issues and family responsibilities interfere with school attendance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>High-poverty schools know absenteeism is a problem and have numerous programs and staff in place to address it. Researchers wanted to see if there were common strategies used by schools that were making progress. And so they combined their analysis with a Michigan school survey where principals disclosed how they were tackling the problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s how the value of frequent home visits rose to the top, which also corroborates other \u003ca href=\"https://virtual.oxfordabstracts.com/event/75879/submission/61\">research in Connecticut\u003c/a>. An \u003ca href=\"https://portal.ct.gov/sde/chronic-absence/learner-engagement-and-attendance-program-leap\">intensive home visiting program\u003c/a> to boost attendance has also shown strong results there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, these visits are not a guaranteed solution. Some Michigan schools conducting weekly home visits saw no improvement in attendance — or even worsening absenteeism. In other words, while many schools using frequent home visits were successful, others were not. “They’re certainly no silver bullet,” said Singer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Singer says that researchers need to dig deeper into what makes home visits effective since they are expensive and time-intensive. Possible factors include who conducts them, what time of day they occur, whether they are scheduled or surprise visits, and what conversations take place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schools in the study are trying dozens of other interventions, but the researchers didn’t detect a strong connection between most of those efforts and improved attendance. These other interventions include early warning systems, letters home, automated text messages and phone calls. Schools that had support from district personnel, such as truancy officers or liaisons, did not do better than schools without these staffers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Personalized and frequent text messages were modestly more common among more schools with improving attendance. Researchers also found that schools making more progress were slightly more likely to report actively helping families address outside barriers such as housing and transportation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The correlation between interventions and schools that are effective in boosting attendance is a clue about what works, but the researchers cannot say whether the interventions are driving the attendance improvements. It could be that the most effective schools are doing other things not captured in the survey, such as hiring especially skilled teachers or building stronger relationships with students that make school feel worth attending.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The findings are a reminder that “best practices” recommendations often overstate what researchers actually know. Schools can make a meaningful difference in attendance, but identifying genuinely successful schools is hard, isolating why they succeed is even harder, and simple solutions rarely hold up under scrutiny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story about \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-michigan-absenteeism/\">\u003cem>addressing absenteeism in Michigan\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> was produced by \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/special-reports/higher-education/\">The Hechinger Report\u003c/a>\u003cem>, a nonprofit, independent news organization that covers education. 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In some places, attendance or student well-being improved. In others, they didn’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The scientific process can be messy. Cultural differences may explain why the bans are more effective in some places than others. But almost any education reform will get different results in different places, even within a single country. And the current confusion may also stem from how difficult it is to study cellphone bans in the real world.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ideally, researchers would randomly assign some students to surrender their phones while others kept them, and then measure the effect on academic performance — the equivalent of a clinical trial for an education policy. But those experiments are difficult to enforce in schools, and so far only \u003ca href=\"https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5370727\">one study\u003c/a>, conducted among college students in India, has attempted a randomized controlled trial. It produced a notably strong improvement in course grades for lower achieving students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Instead, most studies rely on rougher real world comparisons that capture only partial effects of cellphone restrictions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w35132/w35132.pdf\">national study\u003c/a> released this month by researchers at Stanford, Duke, the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Michigan analyzed more than 40,000 schools across the country using data from Yondr, a company that makes magnetic locking pouches for student cellphones.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The researchers found that cellphone activity at schools dropped sharply after schools adopted the pouches. Cellphone “pings” from school grounds fell by 30 percent, and teachers reported far less nonacademic phone use in class.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the study found “close to zero” effects on test scores, attendance and online bullying, even three years after schools adopted the pouches. The researchers compared the Yondr schools to schools that had similar demographics and academic performance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At first glance, those findings appeared to conflict with a \u003ca href=\"https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34388/w34388.pdf\">study of schools in Florida\u003c/a> released last year, which found small academic gains a year after statewide cellphone restrictions took effect in 2023.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The researchers behind that study, from the University of Rochester and RAND, compared schools where student cellphone use had historically been high with schools where phone use had already been relatively low before the statewide restrictions began. Their logic was that schools with heavier pre-ban cellphone use should experience a larger effect from the policy change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The national Yondr study, by contrast, largely compared schools using one particularly strict form of enforcement against schools that often already had softer cellphone restrictions in place. Some schools in the comparison group still required students to keep phones tucked away in backpacks or out of sight during class.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In other words, the national study was largely comparing stricter restrictions against weaker ones while the Florida study was comparing schools with high versus low cellphone use before the ban.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even with the different methodologies and research questions, the researchers of both U.S. studies emphasized in interviews how similar their results actually were. The Florida study calculated that the academic gains, which materialized in the second year after the ban, were less than a percentile point, the equivalent of moving a student from the 50th percentile, dead in the middle, to the 51st percentile. In practical terms, the difference between a tiny gain and near-zero effects may not matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both studies also documented an initial increase in disciplinary incidents before behavior stabilized, and both found signs of nonacademic benefits, including improvements in school climate or student well-being.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The broader international research, however, remains genuinely mixed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927537116300136\">first quantitative study\u003c/a> of cellphone bans, published in England in 2016, found that cellphone restrictions improved exam scores primarily for low-achieving students. But a \u003ca href=\"https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272775719303966\">Swedish study\u003c/a> in 2020 found no academic or behavioral benefits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Swedish researchers speculated that their results might reflect the country’s long history of integrating computers into classrooms. In the 1970s, Sweden was an early European adopter of school technology, so students already relied heavily on laptops and other digital devices during lessons before the ubiquity of cellphones. A separate \u003ca href=\"https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A866544&dswid=6524\">Swedish case study\u003c/a> also found that students were often using phones between assignments rather than during instructional time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since then, studies in \u003ca href=\"https://www.emerald.com/aea/article/30/90/153/59588/Banning-mobile-phones-in-schools-evidence-from\">Spain\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://jhr.uwpress.org/content/early/2026/03/04/jhr.0224-13403R2\">Norway\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://web.stanford.edu/~gentzkow/research/RioPhoneBans.pdf\">Brazil\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5370727\">India\u003c/a> have all found academic benefits from cellphone restrictions, though the gains varied widely. The randomized trial in India produced some of the largest academic gains in the literature. Researchers there randomly assigned college students by field of study to store their phones in wooden cubbies before class while others kept them. Unlike in many American universities, there weren’t many laptops or tablets in these Indian classrooms. Removing phones, in effect, may have removed all digital distractions from the classroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One possible explanation for the disappointing U.S. results is that students are still surrounded by digital distractions even when phones are gone. David Figlio, the lead author of the Florida study, said students often shift to texting, gaming or social media on laptops and tablets that remain permitted in school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another possibility is that the academic harms of modern technology aren’t primarily caused by classroom distraction itself. 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Often, it’d be dark by the time she headed home, sometimes with paperwork in tow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like so many special education teachers around the country, this was Acebu’s life for much of the 10 years she’s been teaching at Riverview Middle School, in this small, unincorporated northern California town.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t do that anymore,” she says with a laugh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s because Acebu has been experimenting with artificial intelligence for the last two years to get through paperwork more quickly and says it’s helped her instead use precious time for student interaction. “I have time to talk to the kiddos and really build those relationships,” she says, “instead of sitting here in front of my computer.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For years, schools nationwide have \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/15/1247795768/children-disabilities-special-education-teacher-shortage\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">struggled with hiring and retaining\u003c/a> special educators. In the 2024-25 school year, \u003ca href=\"https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/product/teacher-shortages-subjects-across-states-factsheet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">45 states reported\u003c/a> special education teacher shortages, and staff turnover is worse in schools that largely serve low-income students, like Riverview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some special educators say part of what makes them feel overworked is legally required paperwork layered on top of regular teaching duties. Acebu is one of a growing number of those teachers around the nation using AI to help speed up that paperwork — including for writing individualized education programs (IEPs). Educators and families maintain these detailed documents that outline goals and services students need to meet those goals at school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to \u003ca href=\"https://cdt.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025-10-28-CDT-AI-IEP-Brief-1.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a recent survey\u003c/a> by the nonpartisan Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), 57% of special education teachers polled nationwide said they used AI to help develop individualized plans for their students in the 2024-25 school year. That’s up from 39% the previous school year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with the survey results, the CDT warned of privacy, legal and ethical risks around using AI. Other research, however, including from the University of Virginia (UVA) and the University of Central Florida (UCF), has shown that when used appropriately, AI can help special education teachers craft IEPs of equal or higher quality than when teachers produce them alone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the time saved can benefit students, too. “The more face time a student with a disability has with a teacher, that often yields better outcomes for them, both educationally, functionally — just across the board,” says Olivia Coleman, a researcher and professor at UCF who has been studying the role of AI in special education.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Acebu says that rings true in her classroom. She points out King, one of her eighth graders, as an example. “He was a non-reader, beginning of seventh grade. He’s reading now.” That, for Acebu, is the \u003cem>point\u003c/em> of IEPs — to put what’s on paper into practice for her students. She says that is only possible with intentional, hands-on work in the classroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>What IEPs are and why they matter\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Every seventh and eighth grader in Mary Acebu’s class learns differently — some work independently, some in pairs, others with headphones on and yet others with speech-to-text technology. Those differences are captured in each child’s IEP, a document required by federal law for each of the over 8 million students with disabilities in this country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4000x2668+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F8d%2F57%2F8601fa57482dbd294f690c16221d%2F36a0496-tif.jpg\" alt=\"Mary Acebu has been a special education teacher for a decade at Riverview Middle School. She is part of a task force that is working on an AI policy for her school district.\">\u003cfigcaption>Mary Acebu has been a special education teacher for a decade at Riverview Middle School. She is part of a task force that is working on an AI policy for her school district.\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite> (Talia Herman for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Every IEP includes annual goals tailored to each student’s present needs, but importantly, “also where you want them to go within the next year,” says Danielle Waterfield, Coleman’s research partner at UVA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Coleman and Waterfield say while many teachers report feeling bogged down by the work that goes into developing IEPs, teachers also recognize they are a necessary tool for students with disabilities to get a quality education.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Acebu says that to develop those goals, teachers must know each student’s learning style intimately. “The key term is ‘individualized.’ No two kids are the same,” she says. For special educators, the process involves hours of meetings and a deep knowledge of complex education law and policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It used to take Acebu around 45 minutes to develop three or four IEP goals per student. She points to a big, blue binder at least 5 inches thick on her bookshelf that contains California’s education standards. “It used to be flipping through all those pages,” to find the right standard to match unique student goals, she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then came AI.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Using AI — with a ‘human touch’ \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>A couple of years ago, Acebu began taking courses on how to safely and effectively use AI. Around the same time, her district, Mt. Diablo Unified, entered agreements with companies that offer education-focused AI tools including MagicSchool AI and Google. They promise to protect sensitive student data, a primary concern for those who warn against the risks of using AI in schools. A growing number of districts are adopting such products, though \u003ca href=\"https://www.edweek.org/technology/which-states-require-schools-to-have-ai-policies/2025/09\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">only a few states\u003c/a> have official AI education policies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recently, using a district-vetted tool, Acebu customized chatbots for her school and trained them on state standards, assessments and other special education data. She now uses her “little assistants” for a wide range of tasks, from creating personalized worksheets to developing IEP goals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And then, she says, “you’re double-checking everything. Like you have to put that human touch, that’s the final step.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4000x2668+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F5c%2F9b%2F7917c6324542801ed762bdb30d77%2F36a9904-tif.jpg\" alt=\"King, an eighth grader, went from not being able to read to reading confidently since he joined Acebu's class last year. She says that has been possible, in part, because AI has given her more time to work directly with students in the classroom and less on paperwork.\">\u003cfigcaption>King, an eighth grader, went from not being able to read to reading confidently since he joined Acebu’s class last year. She says that has been possible, in part, because AI has given her more time to work directly with students in the classroom and less on paperwork.\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite> (Talia Herman for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4500x3000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F46%2F00%2F54e6a456459fa6fb438ca613f8a0%2F36a9793-tif.jpg\" alt=\"For a science project, King made turtle pieces from clay. They are part of a board game he created with Acebu's help called Turtle Catastrophe. It was one of two projects from his school that was accepted at a local science fair.\">\u003cfigcaption>For a science project, King made turtle pieces from clay. They are part of a board game he created with Acebu’s help called Turtle Catastrophe. It was one of two projects from his school that was accepted at a local science fair.\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite> (Talia Herman for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01626434261419099\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">In their research,\u003c/a> Coleman and Waterfield found special education teachers nationwide are using AI to help write IEP goals, track student progress, synthesize data and create differentiated learning materials, among other things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Acebu is uniquely equipped to use tech-tools: She just earned her doctorate in instructional technology and is on her district’s AI task force, which is developing an official AI policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of Acebu’s less tech-savvy colleagues, however, were skeptical, including Paul Stone, who has been a special educator at Riverview for 22 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then the number of students he serves shot up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t want to say it’s killing me, but it has put a huge stressor on my mental health and my life,” Stone says of his work this year. “It would be kind of nice if there were two jobs, like one paperwork job and one working with the kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, a few weeks ago, after a tutorial from Acebu, he gave her chatbot a shot. He was surprised by the results.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s an amazing time-saver so far,” he says. Stone has used AI for a number of things including producing simple summaries of complicated data to present to parents at IEP meetings. “I mean, it’s not like ‘that’s it, I’m done.’ I still have to go through and check it all.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He and Acebu both say it could help them, and other educators, avoid burnout. Yet, Ariana Aboulafia, who was the lead author of CDT’s report, calls AI tools “a Band-Aid” for special education teachers who feel overworked.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Using AI in special education — with guardrails\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Band-Aid or not, more teachers \u003cem>are \u003c/em>using AI around the country. There are a litany of concerns about its use, especially in special education, which is highly regulated. “Student privacy is number one,” says Acebu. “Don’t put information there that’s gonna identify your students.” CDT’s Aboulafia adds that while the risks around privacy may be reduced if a school is using a vetted vendor, data breaches could still make that information vulnerable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But not all teachers are using district-approved tools. Coleman, Waterfield and CDT’s research all found that educators around the country are using AI both formally and informally — from free consumer platforms like ChatGPT and Claude to district-approved tools like MagicSchool AI, Google Gemini and Playground IEP, among others. To help teachers navigate this complicated landscape, Waterfield and Coleman \u003ca href=\"https://ciddl.org/navigating-ai-in-iep-development-a-framework-for-ethical-practice/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">developed a “decision tree”\u003c/a> for ethical AI use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another consideration is the fact that AI models can be biased, including against people with disabilities, says Aboulafia, who leads the Disability Rights in Technology Policy Project at CDT. In addition, she worries AI models built on pattern recognition are, “to a certain extent, inherently incompatible with a process that legally requires individualization.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aboulafia is most concerned about the 15% of teachers CDT’s survey found have been relying entirely on AI to develop IEPs. There must always be a “human in the loop,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Acebu, who happens to be her district’s teacher of the year, says these days, she comes to class just 30 minutes before her students, and leaves just after the last bell. This has improved her work-life balance and the quality of her teaching.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>King, the eighth grader in her class who has evolved into a confident reader, also goes to math class now without any additional support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s the dream of every special educator,” she says, beaming. “But guess what? 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For years, schools nationwide have \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/15/1247795768/children-disabilities-special-education-teacher-shortage\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">struggled with hiring and retaining\u003c/a> special educators. In the 2024-25 school year, \u003ca href=\"https://learningpolicyinstitute.org/product/teacher-shortages-subjects-across-states-factsheet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">45 states reported\u003c/a> special education teacher shortages, and staff turnover is worse in schools that largely serve low-income students, like Riverview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some special educators say part of what makes them feel overworked is legally required paperwork layered on top of regular teaching duties. Acebu is one of a growing number of those teachers around the nation using AI to help speed up that paperwork — including for writing individualized education programs (IEPs). Educators and families maintain these detailed documents that outline goals and services students need to meet those goals at school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to \u003ca href=\"https://cdt.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025-10-28-CDT-AI-IEP-Brief-1.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a recent survey\u003c/a> by the nonpartisan Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), 57% of special education teachers polled nationwide said they used AI to help develop individualized plans for their students in the 2024-25 school year. That’s up from 39% the previous school year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along with the survey results, the CDT warned of privacy, legal and ethical risks around using AI. Other research, however, including from the University of Virginia (UVA) and the University of Central Florida (UCF), has shown that when used appropriately, AI can help special education teachers craft IEPs of equal or higher quality than when teachers produce them alone.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the time saved can benefit students, too. “The more face time a student with a disability has with a teacher, that often yields better outcomes for them, both educationally, functionally — just across the board,” says Olivia Coleman, a researcher and professor at UCF who has been studying the role of AI in special education.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Acebu says that rings true in her classroom. She points out King, one of her eighth graders, as an example. “He was a non-reader, beginning of seventh grade. He’s reading now.” That, for Acebu, is the \u003cem>point\u003c/em> of IEPs — to put what’s on paper into practice for her students. She says that is only possible with intentional, hands-on work in the classroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>What IEPs are and why they matter\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Every seventh and eighth grader in Mary Acebu’s class learns differently — some work independently, some in pairs, others with headphones on and yet others with speech-to-text technology. Those differences are captured in each child’s IEP, a document required by federal law for each of the over 8 million students with disabilities in this country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4000x2668+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F8d%2F57%2F8601fa57482dbd294f690c16221d%2F36a0496-tif.jpg\" alt=\"Mary Acebu has been a special education teacher for a decade at Riverview Middle School. She is part of a task force that is working on an AI policy for her school district.\">\u003cfigcaption>Mary Acebu has been a special education teacher for a decade at Riverview Middle School. She is part of a task force that is working on an AI policy for her school district.\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite> (Talia Herman for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Every IEP includes annual goals tailored to each student’s present needs, but importantly, “also where you want them to go within the next year,” says Danielle Waterfield, Coleman’s research partner at UVA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Coleman and Waterfield say while many teachers report feeling bogged down by the work that goes into developing IEPs, teachers also recognize they are a necessary tool for students with disabilities to get a quality education.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Acebu says that to develop those goals, teachers must know each student’s learning style intimately. “The key term is ‘individualized.’ No two kids are the same,” she says. For special educators, the process involves hours of meetings and a deep knowledge of complex education law and policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It used to take Acebu around 45 minutes to develop three or four IEP goals per student. She points to a big, blue binder at least 5 inches thick on her bookshelf that contains California’s education standards. “It used to be flipping through all those pages,” to find the right standard to match unique student goals, she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then came AI.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Using AI — with a ‘human touch’ \u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>A couple of years ago, Acebu began taking courses on how to safely and effectively use AI. Around the same time, her district, Mt. Diablo Unified, entered agreements with companies that offer education-focused AI tools including MagicSchool AI and Google. They promise to protect sensitive student data, a primary concern for those who warn against the risks of using AI in schools. A growing number of districts are adopting such products, though \u003ca href=\"https://www.edweek.org/technology/which-states-require-schools-to-have-ai-policies/2025/09\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">only a few states\u003c/a> have official AI education policies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recently, using a district-vetted tool, Acebu customized chatbots for her school and trained them on state standards, assessments and other special education data. She now uses her “little assistants” for a wide range of tasks, from creating personalized worksheets to developing IEP goals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And then, she says, “you’re double-checking everything. Like you have to put that human touch, that’s the final step.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4000x2668+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F5c%2F9b%2F7917c6324542801ed762bdb30d77%2F36a9904-tif.jpg\" alt=\"King, an eighth grader, went from not being able to read to reading confidently since he joined Acebu's class last year. She says that has been possible, in part, because AI has given her more time to work directly with students in the classroom and less on paperwork.\">\u003cfigcaption>King, an eighth grader, went from not being able to read to reading confidently since he joined Acebu’s class last year. She says that has been possible, in part, because AI has given her more time to work directly with students in the classroom and less on paperwork.\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite> (Talia Herman for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4500x3000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F46%2F00%2F54e6a456459fa6fb438ca613f8a0%2F36a9793-tif.jpg\" alt=\"For a science project, King made turtle pieces from clay. They are part of a board game he created with Acebu's help called Turtle Catastrophe. It was one of two projects from his school that was accepted at a local science fair.\">\u003cfigcaption>For a science project, King made turtle pieces from clay. They are part of a board game he created with Acebu’s help called Turtle Catastrophe. It was one of two projects from his school that was accepted at a local science fair.\u003cbr>\n\u003ccite> (Talia Herman for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01626434261419099\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">In their research,\u003c/a> Coleman and Waterfield found special education teachers nationwide are using AI to help write IEP goals, track student progress, synthesize data and create differentiated learning materials, among other things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Acebu is uniquely equipped to use tech-tools: She just earned her doctorate in instructional technology and is on her district’s AI task force, which is developing an official AI policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of Acebu’s less tech-savvy colleagues, however, were skeptical, including Paul Stone, who has been a special educator at Riverview for 22 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then the number of students he serves shot up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t want to say it’s killing me, but it has put a huge stressor on my mental health and my life,” Stone says of his work this year. “It would be kind of nice if there were two jobs, like one paperwork job and one working with the kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, a few weeks ago, after a tutorial from Acebu, he gave her chatbot a shot. He was surprised by the results.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s an amazing time-saver so far,” he says. Stone has used AI for a number of things including producing simple summaries of complicated data to present to parents at IEP meetings. “I mean, it’s not like ‘that’s it, I’m done.’ I still have to go through and check it all.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He and Acebu both say it could help them, and other educators, avoid burnout. Yet, Ariana Aboulafia, who was the lead author of CDT’s report, calls AI tools “a Band-Aid” for special education teachers who feel overworked.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Using AI in special education — with guardrails\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Band-Aid or not, more teachers \u003cem>are \u003c/em>using AI around the country. There are a litany of concerns about its use, especially in special education, which is highly regulated. “Student privacy is number one,” says Acebu. “Don’t put information there that’s gonna identify your students.” CDT’s Aboulafia adds that while the risks around privacy may be reduced if a school is using a vetted vendor, data breaches could still make that information vulnerable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But not all teachers are using district-approved tools. Coleman, Waterfield and CDT’s research all found that educators around the country are using AI both formally and informally — from free consumer platforms like ChatGPT and Claude to district-approved tools like MagicSchool AI, Google Gemini and Playground IEP, among others. To help teachers navigate this complicated landscape, Waterfield and Coleman \u003ca href=\"https://ciddl.org/navigating-ai-in-iep-development-a-framework-for-ethical-practice/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">developed a “decision tree”\u003c/a> for ethical AI use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another consideration is the fact that AI models can be biased, including against people with disabilities, says Aboulafia, who leads the Disability Rights in Technology Policy Project at CDT. In addition, she worries AI models built on pattern recognition are, “to a certain extent, inherently incompatible with a process that legally requires individualization.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aboulafia is most concerned about the 15% of teachers CDT’s survey found have been relying entirely on AI to develop IEPs. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ki Sung talks with clinical psychologist and author Ross Greene about why traditional discipline strategies often fail students, and what educators can do instead. Greene explains his \u003ca href=\"https://livesinthebalance.org/our-solution/\">Collaborative and Proactive Solutions\u003c/a> model, which shifts the focus away from rewards and punishments and toward identifying the unmet needs and unsolved problems behind student behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"http://www.youtube.com/embed/4qsGTXLnmKs\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Welcome to the MindShift podcast, where we explore the future of learning and how we raise our kids. I’m Ki Sung. There’s been no shortage of stories about what’s troubling kids today, the outbursts, the apathy, the mental health concerns. We’re seeing some signs of progress through solutions like limiting screen time and having more in real-life social interactions, but there are still students who need help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Kids-Who-Arent-Okay/Ross-W-Greene/9781668203903\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-66349\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/the-kids-who-arent-okay-9781668203903_lg.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"265\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/the-kids-who-arent-okay-9781668203903_lg.jpg 265w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/the-kids-who-arent-okay-9781668203903_lg-160x242.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 265px) 100vw, 265px\">\u003c/a>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Dr. Ross Greene developed the \u003ca href=\"https://livesinthebalance.org/our-solution/\">Collaborative and Proactive Solutions Model\u003c/a> to help all students, and it requires a different way of responding to students’ behavior. He’s the author of the recently published book, \u003ca href=\"https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Kids-Who-Arent-Okay/Ross-W-Greene/9781668203903\">The Kids Who Aren’t Okay: The Urgent Case for Reimagining Support, Belonging, and Hope in Schools\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> He’s also the bestselling author of several other books, including The Explosive Child and Lost at School.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung: \u003c/strong>Welcome, Dr. Greene.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Thank you for inviting me to do this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Thank you so much for being here. Let’s talk first about what you describe as concerning behavior, the stuff that gets kids sent to the principal’s office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> You say concerning behavior is how kids communicate that they’re having difficulty meeting a particular expectation. Can you tell us more?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I do say that all the time, and I wish everybody knew that. We’ve, we’ve all become accustomed to the cliche “All behavior is communication.” Somehow, it doesn’t translate for a lot of people that concerning behavior communicates that a kid is frustrated or distressed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Concerning behavior is a frustration or distress response, and almost always, what the student is frustrated or distressed about is an expectation that they’re having difficulty meeting. Um, if all we pay attention to is the behavior, then we’re gonna be kinda narrow in what we can do, or… ’cause when you’re focused on behavior, all you can really do is try to modify it, and that’s usually accomplished through some mix of rewards and punishments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> But rewards and punishments, what a lot of people refer to as consequences, aren’t problem-solving strategies. So we have a lot of students who have experienced a lot of consequences and who are still doing poorly because the problems that are causing the behaviors that we’ve been busy consequencing often haven’t even been identified, let alone solved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Um, it’s kinda wild to hear you say that because I hear a lot of focus on the behavior. So what are you proposing we do?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I am proposing that we de-emphasize our focus on behavior, and by the way, our focus on behavior Is all around us. We are, um… When we have a kid who’s struggling and communicating that they’re struggling through their behavior, we do behavior checklists, we do behavior observations, we do a functional behavior assessment all so that we can come up with a behavior plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> When a student is struggling in a classroom and communicate that through their concerning behavior, they get a discipline referral, and what the, the information that is mostly passed along to the people who are on the receiving end of those discipline referrals is the kid’s concerning behavior. And what they often do about it is give the kid consequences for their concerning behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> We need to instead, um, focus on the problems that are causing that behavior. I call them unsolved problems. The synonym for unsolved problem is unmet expectation. This includes things like stuff classroom teachers deal with every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Um, difficulty coming back into the classroom after recess, difficulty sitting next to Susie during circle time, difficulty completing the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math, difficulty agreeing with Billy on the rules of the four square game at recess, difficulty coming to school, difficulty coming to school on time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I could go on forever. Those are not typically the things people are talking about when they’re talking about a kid who’s struggling. They’re often talking about the kid’s concerning behavior and what they’re doing to try to modify it, and maybe even the diagnosis that captures those behaviors. We would be so much better off if we have an instrument that helps us identify their unsolved problems, and we do in the collaborative and proactive solutions model.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And if we were engaging students in the process of solving those problems, meaning collaboratively, and since we’re now out in front of those problems, having now finally identified them, the problem should also be proactive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> I think there’s something huge in what you’re talking about solutions-wise in the word collaborative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> It sounds like you’re talking about including the student as well in how to move forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> That is so what I’m talking about. But I think a lot of adults, um, both in education, in education but also everywhere else, think it’s their job to divine what’s getting in the kid’s way and to divine what the solutions should be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> This is not that. Kids can be relied upon to help us understand what’s making it hard for them to meet a particular expectation. I’m often asked the question, “What makes you think the kid knows?” And my answer is, “i35 years of asking.” Kids can also be relied upon to, um, come up with solutions t- about what’s getting in the way of them meeting certain expectations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> So this model is moving us away from being completely adult-driven. The adult is the facilitator of a process in which kid and adult are working toward solutions together. That is very different from what typically goes on now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> One thing I had to kind of work a little extra on to better understand is your concepts of collaborative and proactive solutions, because I realize a lot of why we continue to do what we’re doing, right, looking for behaviors, uh, trying to work in a behavior-focused model, I think a lot of why we operate that way is, is rooted in our communication, you know, how we communicate with young people, which is not necessarily open-ended, you know, which is thinking more about why have you not done this thing that I asked you to do already with the consequences in mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Um, so can you give us some examples of how people can communicate to get to that state of collaboration versus maybe how we typically communicate now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Well, very interesting question. You know, solving a problem collaboratively starts with identifying the problem that you want to solve with the kid, and although that sounds like sort of a given, it’s not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Mostly because we’re so focused on behavior that we often haven’t even identified the expectations a student is having difficulty reliably meeting. So we’ve gotta start with that, and the instrument that I was talking about is called the Assessment of Skills and Unsolved Problems, and it helps us memorialize every single expectation a particular student is having difficulty reliably meeting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And we are now, for having done that, out in front of it, which means we don’t have to wait for the frustration response to occur before we intervene. So much of intervention, so much of what we’re training educators to do, so much of what we’re teaching kids is what to do once a kid is already becoming frustrated, and that’s late.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> That’s crisis management. That’s not out in front of it. That’s waiting for the behavior to occur. Boy, does the game change when we proactively identify unsolved problems- That positions us to solve them proactively. Um, I’m always telling educators, being late is not a given. With some intentionality, with some commitment, with some imagination, we could be early instead of late.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> So identifying unsolved problems is where the whole thing begins. It then continues with prioritizing the unsolved problems you’ve identified, because you’re not gonna be able to solve everything at once. Often we encourage educators to prioritize unsolved problems that are causing safety issues, because safety is a big deal in schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And then it’s time to start solving a problem collaboratively and proactively with a student. Um, what might that sound like? “I’ve noticed you’ve been having difficulty completing the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math. What’s up?” The caregiver just got the conversation going. The caregiver is now facilitating a problem-solving process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> The caregiver is not thinking about consequences, because the caregiver should know that consequences don’t solve any problems. Now we’re looking to the kid to help us understand what’s making it hard. Now, sometimes kids say something that feel like a showstopper, like, “I hate it.” But one of the other things the collaborative and proactive solutions model provides is how to drill for more information, how to probe, and the drilling strategy, there are eight of them that I would use in that circumstances, is simple reflective listening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> “You hate it. Tell me more about that.” “It’s stupid.” Sounds like another showstopper, but it’s not. “It’s stupid.” Um, “I’m sorry, I’m still not exactly sure what you mean. What do you mean when you say it’s stupid?” “It’s stupid how you make me do math I don’t know how to do.” Are we starting to get some traction here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> We are. Do we need to continue probing? We do, because we don’t yet know what’s making it hard for the kid to complete the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math. But we do have a kid who’s now talking, and that is a wonderful thing. Um, eventually, and I’m thinking of a particular kid here, we learned that, uh, when the double-digit division problems in math were presented in words, as in word problems, they got completely stumped.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> But when they could do it through, um, just doing out a division problem, they could do it just fine. Good. Now we know. That’s the first step of solving a problem collaboratively, curiosity, finding out what’s been getting in the kid’s way. The second step is the adult’s step. It’s their turn to say why they, um, think it’s important that the expectation Be met.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And then in the third step, adult and kid are collaborating on a solution that’s going to address the concerns of both parties. Solved problems don’t cause frustration responses, only unsolved problems do. So when educators first hear about this process, and all I’ve given you is the basic outlines, the first thing they think about, and I completely understand why, is time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> They ask, “When does he think we’re going to do this?” But I could make a very persuasive argument for the fact that the reason we have no time is because we haven’t been doing this. We’ve been chasing after behavior day after day, same kids. It saves a lot of time to finally identify and solve the problems we’ve been chasing after all this time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Who was it that said, uh, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I don’t remember who it was, but they had a good point.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> All right. Um, can I ask, in that instance with the math problem, what is the unproductive way to respond that you may have seen or heard about in classrooms?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Oh, thinking that the student’s failure to do the math is due to poor motivation, and then thinking that what this student really needs is more motivation. And that could go in a few different directions. It could sound like this: “Uh, Billy, if you do not get that math done before recess, you are not going out for recess.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Could be in the form of reward, “Billy, if you get that math done, you get XYZ reward.” Very common. Um, we still have no idea what’s making it hard for Billy to do the math. We’ve lost sight of the fact that we are not the first people who’ve tried to incentivize Billy to do things that are hard for him. Um, we’ve also lost sight of the fact that this is not the first time Billy’s had difficulty completing the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> It’s the 197th, which makes this an old unsolved problem. Um, if we punish Billy for something, for a problem that he is currently unable to overcome on his own, we heighten the likelihood that Billy will exhibit a frustration response. If we dangle a reward in front of Billy, and Billy is unable to achieve that award because Billy is not yet over, uh, uh, able to overcome that problem- We still run the risk of a frustration response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I’ve seen just as many frustration responses when a kid didn’t get an anticipated reward as I have in response to punishment. But the whole thing here is we still don’t have the slightest idea what’s making it hard for Billy to do the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math. And until we do, Billy’s still gonna struggle with that unsolved problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> It’s really fascinating to hear you describe the latter because that is far more common experience from my point of view than anyone having sat down and spent time identifying an unsolved problem. I like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Even when people sit down with the kid and talk to the kid, what they’re often talking with the kid about is their concerning behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Um, so you ran out of Mrs. Johnson’s classroom. Why’d you do that? And the answer that we most frequently get when people try to talk with kids about their frustration responses is, “I don’t know,” or the most primitive of defense mechanisms, “No, I didn’t.” Those conversations, generally speaking, go nowhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Conversations we have about helping kids understand what’s making it hard for them to meet an expectation, actually they’re the ones who are helping us understand, and working toward a solution that finally gets the problem solved so the frustration responses subside, that’s a beautiful thing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> So as you said, “I don’t know,” or, you know, other things kids say like, “I don’t care,” I imagine adults also have a frustration response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Does this help get at the root of how adults respond as well?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Well, a lot of maladaptive adult frustration responses occur in the heat of the moment as well. Our goal is to get out of the heat of the moment. The heat of the moment, I can’t say this enough times, isn’t a given. I know the students are difficult.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I get it. I know that there’s too many of them in a classroom. I get that too. But this would all be a whole lot easier, and it would be much better practice for both educators and kids if we were focused on the right thing. Now, that’s the heat of the moment part of educator frustration these days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> There’s a lot of reasons that educators should be frustrated these days. Um, I think we’ve made it a lot harder to be an educator over the last two to three decades, and yes, high-stakes testing, I’m staring at you, but that is not the only thing that has made it harder to be an educator. I’ve had many educators say to me, “They’ve taken all the humanity out of my job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> They’ve turned me into a test prep robot.” Um, zero tolerance policies, um, made it more difficult for me to find out what’s really going on with a kid because zero tolerance policies just tightened the vice grip and gave us an algorithm for applying consequences to certain behaviors. Um, we’ve made a lot of things harder on educators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Let there be no doubt they aren’t paid anywhere nearly enough. Um, they don’t have time. So there’s a baseline level of frustration for a lot of educators these days. They often don’t feel safe in their classrooms. Um, I find that when we implement this model, it’s not just the frustration of kids that subside, it’s the frustration of educators as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Although I will say this: there’s nothing about this model that will help educators get paid what they deserve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Yeah, that is the, a huge goal for so many people in order to better serve students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung: \u003c/strong>we’re going to take a short break. We’ll be back with our guest Ross Greene, right after this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung: \u003c/strong>So, you know, I’ve heard a lot of educators say, “Meet them where they’re at,” or, you know, a version of this is, “Teach the kid you have.” Um, but that’s not happening at a wide scale. Um, is it really hard to implement? Is it, uh, like what is it about schools that make it challenging to get to that point?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> You know, one of the other big focal points of the book is, um, the concept of developmental variability, which I don’t hear people talking about enough, especially in schools, but anywhere really. Um, developmental variability basically says what’s walking in the door is a bunch of individual differences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Developmental variability is just a fanciv- fancy way of saying every kid is different, and let there be no doubt that is what’s walking in every classroom. We’ve done kids and educators a tremendous disservice by saying, “Even with all that developmental variability, you gotta get every kid over the same line by the end of the school year.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> How ludicrous, and educators told us that was ludicrous 30 years ago, and it’s just as ludicrous now. One of the points I make in the book is that every kid should be their own reference point. Teachers should feel free to have every kid be their own reference point for progress. That tells you that there is no line that everybody has to get over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> There’s no line. There’s just making sure that every student makes as much progress relative to where they started at the beginning in every school year, and we need to free teachers up to be able to do that. Um, that’s what differentiated instruction is about. That’s what personalized learning is about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Unfortunately, those things frequently don’t embed themselves into our practice. Every kid is their own reference point. The goal of good teaching is defined as meeting every kid where they’re at. Um, we need to free teachers up to be able to do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> You know, one thing that I thought was really interesting about your book is, I, I think this is interesting because teachers are asked to do so much, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> They are, in many cases, social workers. Sometimes they’re stand-ins for parents. They’re just doing more and more all the time, and what you write is that you don’t want teachers to be diagnosing, to look at behavior and diagnose behavior. Um, can you tell me why that is? And, and I ask because there is so much emphasis on the behavior side of interacting with students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> So why, why do you want teachers to, you know, not act in that way?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Well, because diagnoses don’t really tell you very much. Um, not very much that you don’t already know. Diagnoses are sometimes the gateway for a kid to get services. Diagnosis can sometimes be the gateway for a kid to get funding for those services.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I’m a mental health professional, and I don’t find that diagnoses give me much useful information about a kid. Um, what gives me the useful information? What skills this kid is struggling with and what expectations this kid is having difficulty reliably meeting, and I get that information from the assessment of skills and unsolved problems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Here’s a, um, I was speaking at a, uh, autism conference in Denmark pre-COVID, and a mother in my audience raised her hand very tentatively and said, “Yeah, but I found my daughter’s autism diagnosis to be very useful.” I said, “That’s good.” Then she thought about it for a second, and she said, “But I think what you’re saying-” “Is that my daughter’s autism diagnosis really doesn’t tell me anything about her specific skills or the specific expectations she’s having difficulty meeting.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I said, “Right.” She thought about it a little bit more, and then she said, “And I think what you’re saying is that once I identify my daughter’s skills and unsolved problems, I’m going to find that I have information that is far more useful than her psychiatric diagnosis.” I said, “Probably.” Um, focusing on diagnoses focuses on, makes us focus on behavior, because if we look at the diagnostic criteria for the vast majority of childhood psychiatric disorders, what we’re going to find is a long list of behaviors, frustration responses, distress responses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> So long as we’re focused on the behavior, we’re gonna be late every time, because behavior occurs after a kid is already having difficulty meeting a particular expectation. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-content post-body\">\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cbr>\n\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Welcome to the MindShift podcast, where we explore the future of learning and how we raise our kids. I’m Ki Sung. There’s been no shortage of stories about what’s troubling kids today, the outbursts, the apathy, the mental health concerns. We’re seeing some signs of progress through solutions like limiting screen time and having more in real-life social interactions, but there are still students who need help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Kids-Who-Arent-Okay/Ross-W-Greene/9781668203903\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-66349\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/the-kids-who-arent-okay-9781668203903_lg.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"265\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/the-kids-who-arent-okay-9781668203903_lg.jpg 265w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/the-kids-who-arent-okay-9781668203903_lg-160x242.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 265px) 100vw, 265px\">\u003c/a>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Dr. Ross Greene developed the \u003ca href=\"https://livesinthebalance.org/our-solution/\">Collaborative and Proactive Solutions Model\u003c/a> to help all students, and it requires a different way of responding to students’ behavior. He’s the author of the recently published book, \u003ca href=\"https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Kids-Who-Arent-Okay/Ross-W-Greene/9781668203903\">The Kids Who Aren’t Okay: The Urgent Case for Reimagining Support, Belonging, and Hope in Schools\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> He’s also the bestselling author of several other books, including The Explosive Child and Lost at School.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung: \u003c/strong>Welcome, Dr. Greene.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Thank you for inviting me to do this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Thank you so much for being here. Let’s talk first about what you describe as concerning behavior, the stuff that gets kids sent to the principal’s office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> You say concerning behavior is how kids communicate that they’re having difficulty meeting a particular expectation. Can you tell us more?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I do say that all the time, and I wish everybody knew that. We’ve, we’ve all become accustomed to the cliche “All behavior is communication.” Somehow, it doesn’t translate for a lot of people that concerning behavior communicates that a kid is frustrated or distressed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Concerning behavior is a frustration or distress response, and almost always, what the student is frustrated or distressed about is an expectation that they’re having difficulty meeting. Um, if all we pay attention to is the behavior, then we’re gonna be kinda narrow in what we can do, or… ’cause when you’re focused on behavior, all you can really do is try to modify it, and that’s usually accomplished through some mix of rewards and punishments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> But rewards and punishments, what a lot of people refer to as consequences, aren’t problem-solving strategies. So we have a lot of students who have experienced a lot of consequences and who are still doing poorly because the problems that are causing the behaviors that we’ve been busy consequencing often haven’t even been identified, let alone solved.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Um, it’s kinda wild to hear you say that because I hear a lot of focus on the behavior. So what are you proposing we do?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I am proposing that we de-emphasize our focus on behavior, and by the way, our focus on behavior Is all around us. We are, um… When we have a kid who’s struggling and communicating that they’re struggling through their behavior, we do behavior checklists, we do behavior observations, we do a functional behavior assessment all so that we can come up with a behavior plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> When a student is struggling in a classroom and communicate that through their concerning behavior, they get a discipline referral, and what the, the information that is mostly passed along to the people who are on the receiving end of those discipline referrals is the kid’s concerning behavior. And what they often do about it is give the kid consequences for their concerning behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> We need to instead, um, focus on the problems that are causing that behavior. I call them unsolved problems. The synonym for unsolved problem is unmet expectation. This includes things like stuff classroom teachers deal with every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Um, difficulty coming back into the classroom after recess, difficulty sitting next to Susie during circle time, difficulty completing the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math, difficulty agreeing with Billy on the rules of the four square game at recess, difficulty coming to school, difficulty coming to school on time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I could go on forever. Those are not typically the things people are talking about when they’re talking about a kid who’s struggling. They’re often talking about the kid’s concerning behavior and what they’re doing to try to modify it, and maybe even the diagnosis that captures those behaviors. We would be so much better off if we have an instrument that helps us identify their unsolved problems, and we do in the collaborative and proactive solutions model.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And if we were engaging students in the process of solving those problems, meaning collaboratively, and since we’re now out in front of those problems, having now finally identified them, the problem should also be proactive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> I think there’s something huge in what you’re talking about solutions-wise in the word collaborative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> It sounds like you’re talking about including the student as well in how to move forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> That is so what I’m talking about. But I think a lot of adults, um, both in education, in education but also everywhere else, think it’s their job to divine what’s getting in the kid’s way and to divine what the solutions should be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> This is not that. Kids can be relied upon to help us understand what’s making it hard for them to meet a particular expectation. I’m often asked the question, “What makes you think the kid knows?” And my answer is, “i35 years of asking.” Kids can also be relied upon to, um, come up with solutions t- about what’s getting in the way of them meeting certain expectations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> So this model is moving us away from being completely adult-driven. The adult is the facilitator of a process in which kid and adult are working toward solutions together. That is very different from what typically goes on now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> One thing I had to kind of work a little extra on to better understand is your concepts of collaborative and proactive solutions, because I realize a lot of why we continue to do what we’re doing, right, looking for behaviors, uh, trying to work in a behavior-focused model, I think a lot of why we operate that way is, is rooted in our communication, you know, how we communicate with young people, which is not necessarily open-ended, you know, which is thinking more about why have you not done this thing that I asked you to do already with the consequences in mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Um, so can you give us some examples of how people can communicate to get to that state of collaboration versus maybe how we typically communicate now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Well, very interesting question. You know, solving a problem collaboratively starts with identifying the problem that you want to solve with the kid, and although that sounds like sort of a given, it’s not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Mostly because we’re so focused on behavior that we often haven’t even identified the expectations a student is having difficulty reliably meeting. So we’ve gotta start with that, and the instrument that I was talking about is called the Assessment of Skills and Unsolved Problems, and it helps us memorialize every single expectation a particular student is having difficulty reliably meeting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And we are now, for having done that, out in front of it, which means we don’t have to wait for the frustration response to occur before we intervene. So much of intervention, so much of what we’re training educators to do, so much of what we’re teaching kids is what to do once a kid is already becoming frustrated, and that’s late.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> That’s crisis management. That’s not out in front of it. That’s waiting for the behavior to occur. Boy, does the game change when we proactively identify unsolved problems- That positions us to solve them proactively. Um, I’m always telling educators, being late is not a given. With some intentionality, with some commitment, with some imagination, we could be early instead of late.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> So identifying unsolved problems is where the whole thing begins. It then continues with prioritizing the unsolved problems you’ve identified, because you’re not gonna be able to solve everything at once. Often we encourage educators to prioritize unsolved problems that are causing safety issues, because safety is a big deal in schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And then it’s time to start solving a problem collaboratively and proactively with a student. Um, what might that sound like? “I’ve noticed you’ve been having difficulty completing the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math. What’s up?” The caregiver just got the conversation going. The caregiver is now facilitating a problem-solving process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> The caregiver is not thinking about consequences, because the caregiver should know that consequences don’t solve any problems. Now we’re looking to the kid to help us understand what’s making it hard. Now, sometimes kids say something that feel like a showstopper, like, “I hate it.” But one of the other things the collaborative and proactive solutions model provides is how to drill for more information, how to probe, and the drilling strategy, there are eight of them that I would use in that circumstances, is simple reflective listening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> “You hate it. Tell me more about that.” “It’s stupid.” Sounds like another showstopper, but it’s not. “It’s stupid.” Um, “I’m sorry, I’m still not exactly sure what you mean. What do you mean when you say it’s stupid?” “It’s stupid how you make me do math I don’t know how to do.” Are we starting to get some traction here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> We are. Do we need to continue probing? We do, because we don’t yet know what’s making it hard for the kid to complete the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math. But we do have a kid who’s now talking, and that is a wonderful thing. Um, eventually, and I’m thinking of a particular kid here, we learned that, uh, when the double-digit division problems in math were presented in words, as in word problems, they got completely stumped.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> But when they could do it through, um, just doing out a division problem, they could do it just fine. Good. Now we know. That’s the first step of solving a problem collaboratively, curiosity, finding out what’s been getting in the kid’s way. The second step is the adult’s step. It’s their turn to say why they, um, think it’s important that the expectation Be met.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> And then in the third step, adult and kid are collaborating on a solution that’s going to address the concerns of both parties. Solved problems don’t cause frustration responses, only unsolved problems do. So when educators first hear about this process, and all I’ve given you is the basic outlines, the first thing they think about, and I completely understand why, is time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> They ask, “When does he think we’re going to do this?” But I could make a very persuasive argument for the fact that the reason we have no time is because we haven’t been doing this. We’ve been chasing after behavior day after day, same kids. It saves a lot of time to finally identify and solve the problems we’ve been chasing after all this time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Who was it that said, uh, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I don’t remember who it was, but they had a good point.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> All right. Um, can I ask, in that instance with the math problem, what is the unproductive way to respond that you may have seen or heard about in classrooms?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Oh, thinking that the student’s failure to do the math is due to poor motivation, and then thinking that what this student really needs is more motivation. And that could go in a few different directions. It could sound like this: “Uh, Billy, if you do not get that math done before recess, you are not going out for recess.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Could be in the form of reward, “Billy, if you get that math done, you get XYZ reward.” Very common. Um, we still have no idea what’s making it hard for Billy to do the math. We’ve lost sight of the fact that we are not the first people who’ve tried to incentivize Billy to do things that are hard for him. Um, we’ve also lost sight of the fact that this is not the first time Billy’s had difficulty completing the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> It’s the 197th, which makes this an old unsolved problem. Um, if we punish Billy for something, for a problem that he is currently unable to overcome on his own, we heighten the likelihood that Billy will exhibit a frustration response. If we dangle a reward in front of Billy, and Billy is unable to achieve that award because Billy is not yet over, uh, uh, able to overcome that problem- We still run the risk of a frustration response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I’ve seen just as many frustration responses when a kid didn’t get an anticipated reward as I have in response to punishment. But the whole thing here is we still don’t have the slightest idea what’s making it hard for Billy to do the double-digit division problems on the worksheet in math. And until we do, Billy’s still gonna struggle with that unsolved problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> It’s really fascinating to hear you describe the latter because that is far more common experience from my point of view than anyone having sat down and spent time identifying an unsolved problem. I like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Even when people sit down with the kid and talk to the kid, what they’re often talking with the kid about is their concerning behavior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Um, so you ran out of Mrs. Johnson’s classroom. Why’d you do that? And the answer that we most frequently get when people try to talk with kids about their frustration responses is, “I don’t know,” or the most primitive of defense mechanisms, “No, I didn’t.” Those conversations, generally speaking, go nowhere.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Conversations we have about helping kids understand what’s making it hard for them to meet an expectation, actually they’re the ones who are helping us understand, and working toward a solution that finally gets the problem solved so the frustration responses subside, that’s a beautiful thing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> So as you said, “I don’t know,” or, you know, other things kids say like, “I don’t care,” I imagine adults also have a frustration response.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Does this help get at the root of how adults respond as well?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Well, a lot of maladaptive adult frustration responses occur in the heat of the moment as well. Our goal is to get out of the heat of the moment. The heat of the moment, I can’t say this enough times, isn’t a given. I know the students are difficult.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I get it. I know that there’s too many of them in a classroom. I get that too. But this would all be a whole lot easier, and it would be much better practice for both educators and kids if we were focused on the right thing. Now, that’s the heat of the moment part of educator frustration these days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> There’s a lot of reasons that educators should be frustrated these days. Um, I think we’ve made it a lot harder to be an educator over the last two to three decades, and yes, high-stakes testing, I’m staring at you, but that is not the only thing that has made it harder to be an educator. I’ve had many educators say to me, “They’ve taken all the humanity out of my job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> They’ve turned me into a test prep robot.” Um, zero tolerance policies, um, made it more difficult for me to find out what’s really going on with a kid because zero tolerance policies just tightened the vice grip and gave us an algorithm for applying consequences to certain behaviors. Um, we’ve made a lot of things harder on educators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Let there be no doubt they aren’t paid anywhere nearly enough. Um, they don’t have time. So there’s a baseline level of frustration for a lot of educators these days. They often don’t feel safe in their classrooms. 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We’ve done kids and educators a tremendous disservice by saying, “Even with all that developmental variability, you gotta get every kid over the same line by the end of the school year.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> How ludicrous, and educators told us that was ludicrous 30 years ago, and it’s just as ludicrous now. One of the points I make in the book is that every kid should be their own reference point. Teachers should feel free to have every kid be their own reference point for progress. That tells you that there is no line that everybody has to get over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> There’s no line. There’s just making sure that every student makes as much progress relative to where they started at the beginning in every school year, and we need to free teachers up to be able to do that. Um, that’s what differentiated instruction is about. 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What skills this kid is struggling with and what expectations this kid is having difficulty reliably meeting, and I get that information from the assessment of skills and unsolved problems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> Here’s a, um, I was speaking at a, uh, autism conference in Denmark pre-COVID, and a mother in my audience raised her hand very tentatively and said, “Yeah, but I found my daughter’s autism diagnosis to be very useful.” I said, “That’s good.” Then she thought about it for a second, and she said, “But I think what you’re saying-” “Is that my daughter’s autism diagnosis really doesn’t tell me anything about her specific skills or the specific expectations she’s having difficulty meeting.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> I said, “Right.” She thought about it a little bit more, and then she said, “And I think what you’re saying is that once I identify my daughter’s skills and unsolved problems, I’m going to find that I have information that is far more useful than her psychiatric diagnosis.” I said, “Probably.” Um, focusing on diagnoses focuses on, makes us focus on behavior, because if we look at the diagnostic criteria for the vast majority of childhood psychiatric disorders, what we’re going to find is a long list of behaviors, frustration responses, distress responses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> So long as we’re focused on the behavior, we’re gonna be late every time, because behavior occurs after a kid is already having difficulty meeting a particular expectation. We’ve been waiting for behavior to occur. We need to start anticipating, identifying, and solving problems instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Dr. Ross Greene, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ross Greene:\u003c/strong> My pleasure. Thanks for inviting me to do this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ki Sung:\u003c/strong> Dr. Ross Greene is the author of the recently published book, The Kids Who Aren’t Okay: The Urgent Case for Reimagining Support, Belonging, and Hope in Schools. He’s also the author of other books, including The Explosive Child and Lost at School, and is the founding director of Lives in the Balance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The MindShift team includes me, Ki Sung, Nimah Gobir, Marlena Jackson-Retondo and Marnette Federis. Our editor is Chris Hambrick. Seth Samuel is our sound designer. Jen Chien is our head of podcasts and Ethan Toven Lindsey is our editor in chief. We receive additional support from Maha Sanad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MindShift is supported in part by the generosity of the William & Flora Hewlett Foundation and members of KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by The Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. San Francisco Northern California Local.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thanks for listening to MindShift.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>"
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The nation’s capital posted the strongest growth of all and also led in math improvement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Washington students in both public and charter schools gained roughly two-thirds of a grade level in math and about a third of a grade level in reading over that period, according to the analysis. A grade level represents roughly a year’s worth of learning, which means that eighth graders in 2025 were about six months ahead in math compared with eighth graders in 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the gains should not obscure a grimmer reality.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2025, only 26 percent of Washington students met grade-level standards in math and only 38 percent were proficient in reading, according to a separate \u003ca href=\"https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/v3_SODCS_2024_25_full_report-2.24-copy-2.pdf\">report\u003c/a> from the D.C. Policy Center, an independent local think tank. Just 16 percent of high school juniors and seniors were considered to be college or career ready.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A school system can improve rapidly and still leave most children behind. The contradiction is fueling an important politically and emotionally charged debate in education: Should schools be judged by how many students are proficient, or by how much students improve each year?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Critics of public schools are seizing upon the low proficiency rates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Gains of any magnitude are a good thing, but when most students — roughly two-thirds to three-quarters in the case of D.C. — are not functioning at grade level, this is nothing to applaud,” said Steven Wilson, a former education policymaker in Massachusetts and charter school leader. “Most students are still being failed by the system.” (Wilson’s 2025 book, “The Lost Decade,” criticizes recent school reform efforts.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even before last week’s national data release, Washington school leaders were celebrating the gains. Paul Kihn, deputy mayor for education, trumpeted the strength of the schools after 2025 annual tests revealed a whopping 3.6 percent improvement in reading and math, similar to the grade-level increases that the Education Scorecard team calculated. “Our academic achievement is unsurpassed in the country in terms of growth,” Kihn said in a March 2026 \u003ca href=\"https://dme.dc.gov/page/inside-dc-education-blog#03262026-1\">blog post\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tom Kane, a Harvard economist and one of the authors of the new Education Scorecard report, explained that there is a long-running debate in the field of education about whether to focus on proficiency or growth. In this report, he said, the research team chose growth in order to “combat” what they see as an overly pessimistic narrative about public education.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re trying to highlight that something good is happening in some of these places,” Kane said. “And hopefully, if we can, rebuild the public sense of agency with respect to public education.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to highlighting Washington’s growth, the research team also released a list of 108 “\u003ca href=\"https://educationscorecard.org/districts-on-the-rise/\">districts on the rise\u003c/a>”: school districts where math and reading gains exceeded those of similar districts in their state. Washington was not included because there are no comparable districts within the city. But its gains are comparable to many districts on the list. And, like Washington, most of those districts still have large shares of students below grade level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In theory, if a district’s scores keep growing by outsized amounts each year, students should catch up and eventually reach grade level. But public school critics like Wilson point out that even if a school system improves by one or two percentage points a year, it could take decades for the majority of students to get a decent education. In the meantime, the students who are currently in the system lose out. They can’t wait for that progress. Wilson worries that shining a light on a school system where most kids are far behind grade level can mislead the public and potentially cause school leaders to adopt the wrong policies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Let’s take the klieg light and move it to the school systems that are educating nearly all of their students, rather than a third of their students,” said Wilson.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wilson points to individual schools or charter school networks, where very \u003ca href=\"https://classicalcharterschools.org/\">high percentages of low-income\u003c/a> students are at or exceeding grade level. It’s much harder to replicate that success with low-income students across an entire large school district.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Income is a big factor in this debate. If the public and policymakers focus only on proficiency, affluent suburbs tend to dominate the results. High-income districts often appear to be the most successful, not necessarily because their schools are more effective, but because students from wealthier families begin far ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That concern has prompted researchers to focus on growth-based measures of school performance over the past couple decades. A widely cited example came from research by Sean Reardon, a Stanford sociologist and co-author of the current report, who a decade ago found that Chicago was running the \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/05/upshot/a-better-way-to-compare-public-schools.html\">most effective schools\u003c/a> in the country based on student growth, even though many students were behind grade level. 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"content": "\u003cp>MALVERN, Pa. — In a social media era rife with mouthwatering food content, kids will no longer settle for a drab school meal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t have a TikTok account, but they’re telling me, ‘Hey, I saw this on TikTok. Can you make this? Can we do this?'” said Nichole Taylor, supervisor of food and nutrition services at the Great Valley School District in Malvern, Pennsylvania.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would have never asked my lunch lady to make something special for me. I would’ve just ate what they told me,” she said, adding that the students are “very engaged.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor has been working to refresh the suburban Philadelphia district’s meal program since she took over a year and a half ago, trying to balance a desire to cook more fresh food from scratch with budget constraints and a lack of skilled labor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But now, districts like Taylor’s and others across the U.S. are waiting to see whether it will become even more expensive to prepare a meal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/3648x5472+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F26%2F70%2F4cac19d64e7c88b85105e3e045bd%2Fschoolnutrition-108.JPG\" alt=\"Nichole Taylor is the supervisor of food and nutrition services at the Great Valley School District.\">\u003cfigcaption>Nichole Taylor is the supervisor of food and nutrition services at the Great Valley School District. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That’s because in January, the Trump administration overhauled the national dietary guidelines. Announced by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., they follow the Make America Healthy Again blueprint, urging Americans to avoid highly processed foods and prioritize “high-quality, nutrient-dense” protein at every meal. Those guidelines form the basis of federal nutrition standards that schools participating in federal meal programs must follow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet many districts rely on processed, premade foods to feed their students, and protein is already the most expensive ingredient on the cafeteria plate, school nutrition experts say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This year, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s reimbursement rate for schools in the contiguous 48 states is about $4.60 per meal for a student who is eligible for a free lunch, according to the School Nutrition Association (SNA). The rate is $4.20 for students eligible for a reduced-price lunch and $0.44 for students who pay full price, SNA said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4000x4000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F79%2F51%2Ff4e454ef47a38cf4d3beb399e21c%2Fschool-lunch-trio.jpg\" alt=\"Budget concerns aside, the Great Valley School District is finding ways to enhance its meal program and get more students into the breakfast and lunch lines.\">\u003cfigcaption>Budget concerns aside, the Great Valley School District is finding ways to enhance its meal program and get more students into the breakfast and lunch lines. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Federal and state funding are the largest revenue streams in Taylor’s district, and they help pay for everything from staff wages and kitchen equipment to food and utility costs. She said she supports the nutritional goals of the new federal standards but wonders how they’ll affect schools already struggling to operate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We want to follow the guidelines, because we are that voice that says, ‘No, you can eat healthy and still eat really well,'” Taylor said. “But we also have to be realistic and say we need the funding for it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, the Trump administration has cut funding programs that allowed schools to buy local food from farmers.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How dietary guidelines can affect schools\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/5418x3611+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fb9%2Fe3%2F1f5753cc416eb69f2125832ad005%2Fgettyimages-2255262632.jpg\" alt=\"Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins on Jan. 8 announces new dietary guidelines, including an emphasis on proteins and full-fat dairy, as well as limits on processed foods.\">\u003cfigcaption>Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins on Jan. 8 announces new dietary guidelines, including an emphasis on proteins and full-fat dairy, as well as limits on processed foods. \u003ccite> (Anna Moneymaker | Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said at a press conference for the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2026/01/07/nx-s1-5667021/dietary-guidelines-rfk-jr-nutrition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">updated guidelines\u003c/a> in January that she was particularly interested in how they could improve child nutrition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Right now, that is going to be the single most important, from my perspective, move forward — is the school lunches and making sure that we’re getting the right amount, the best amount and the most nutrient-dense foods into the schools,” Rollins said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Yet some in the medical community have objected to the new food pyramid, specifically the placement of saturated fat sources such as red meat and full-fat dairy at the top. “It does go against decades and decades of evidence and research,” Stanford University nutrition expert Christopher Gardner \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2026/01/07/nx-s1-5667021/dietary-guidelines-rfk-jr-nutrition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told NPR\u003c/a> this year. Gardner was a member of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Exactly how the government’s new dietary guidelines will impact schools is unclear. The Department of Agriculture (USDA) said it is still working to update the nutrition standards it requires of institutions taking part in the National School Lunch Program, which fed 30 million children last year, and the School Breakfast Program. The department said in an email that the new guidelines are a “pivotal step to Make America Healthy Again through real, nutrient-dense foods” and that the guidelines’ release “kicks off a multi-year effort” to update the rules of the department’s nutrition programs through a formal rule-making process, which will include public comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4030x3000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F4d%2F24%2Fe9ce4d2a4208837804f0b9ad4823%2Fschool-lunch-duo1.jpg\" alt=\"Schools in the federal meal programs are already beginning to reduce added sugar in certain items to align with new federal rules.\">\u003cfigcaption>Schools in the federal meal programs are already beginning to reduce added sugar in certain items to align with new federal rules. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Mara Fleishman, CEO of the Chef Ann Foundation, which works to help schools cook more meals from scratch, applauded the move away from highly processed foods but said the shift wouldn’t be easy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The conundrum is that often animal protein in school food is one of the most highly processed components,” she said. Fleishman used chicken nuggets as an example, which she said appear in some form in just about every school district in the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The primary chicken nuggets that are served come cooked frozen. So you get it cooked, you put it in your freezer, take it out, put it in the retherm [ovens], put it on the line. And it’s got about 35 ingredients in it,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fleishman said districts that want to cook chicken strips from scratch could make them fresh using six or seven ingredients. “But it’s hard, because you go from buying a chicken nugget, which is totally contained,” to having to consider the financial, labor and waste implications of cooking it from scratch, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>USDA cut funding that helped schools buy local food\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>At the same time as the Trump administration is urging Americans to eat more “real” food, it has cut funding that enabled schools to buy from local farmers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In March of last year, the \u003ca href=\"https://schoolnutrition.org/sna-news/proposed-school-meal-cuts-prompt-nationwide-advocacy/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">School Nutrition Association reported\u003c/a> that the USDA ended the Local Food for Schools Cooperative Agreement Program (LFS), erasing an estimated $660 million in funding. LFS provided money that schools could use to buy “unprocessed or minimally processed foods, such as meat, poultry, fruit, vegetables, seafood, and dairy” from local or regional producers, \u003ca href=\"https://www.ams.usda.gov/selling-food-to-usda/lfs/faqs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">according to the program’s website\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That was a big loss,” said Stephanie Dillard, SNA president and the nutrition director of an Alabama school district, “because we lost the money we could spend on local farmers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The USDA said in an emailed statement that the Local Food for Schools Cooperative Agreement Program — as well as the Local Food Purchase Assistance Cooperative Agreement Program (LFPA), which supports feeding programs such as food banks — are being “sunsetted at the end of their performance periods.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The department said that it released more than half a billion dollars in funding through the two programs last year and that, as of March, $100 million remained in LFPA funding and more than $17 million remained in LFS funding for states to use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/5472x3648+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F3a%2Ff4%2Fbec0c7a247e1a60e918dce3299f9%2Fschoolnutrition-033.JPG\" alt=\"Great Valley School District students eat lunch in their cafeteria. Cafeteria staff sometimes make vegetarian entrees upon request.\">\u003cfigcaption>Great Valley School District students eat lunch in their cafeteria. Cafeteria staff sometimes make vegetarian entrees upon request. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The USDA also paused funding from the Patrick Leahy Farm to School grant program for the 2025 fiscal year, which a spokesperson said was in response to \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Trump’s executive order\u003c/a> targeting diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs in January 2025.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>However, the program reopened for the 2026 fiscal year and offered up to $18 million in awards. The department said it “streamlined the Farm to School Grant application process and removed Biden-era DEI components to ensure equal treatment, not preferential treatment, of applicants.” Rollins said in a statement that the grants are “one of the best ways we can deliver nutritious, high-quality meals to children, while also strengthening local agriculture.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Schools have long called for more money for meals\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For years, education administrators and child nutrition advocates have been saying that school cafeterias — often called the biggest restaurants in town — operate on tight budgets due in part to inadequate reimbursements from the federal government. Federal initiatives such as the National School Lunch Program and the School Breakfast Program provide billions of dollars in funding each year to schools across the U.S. to keep their meal programs afloat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reimbursement rates are adjusted annually based on the consumer price index, but school nutrition directors say that the increases are not enough and that Congress needs to revisit the reimbursement formula altogether, as meal programs become more expensive to operate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It all comes down to funding,” said Dillard, of the SNA. “The sky would be the limit if we had the funding. We could cook all day long.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4030x3000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1f%2F7b%2Fdbc68d364e8ebaa5023e6c12c958%2Fschool-lunch-duo2.jpg\" alt=\"Taylor, of the Great Valley School District, said students have given feedback on menu changes.\">\u003cfigcaption>Taylor, of the Great Valley School District, said students have given feedback on menu changes. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In an \u003ca href=\"https://schoolnutrition.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/SY-25-26-School-Nutrition-Trends-Report.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">SNA survey\u003c/a> released in January, nearly 95% of school nutrition directors said they were concerned about the financial sustainability of their programs three years from now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The current reimbursement rate isn’t even quite enough for the current status quo,” said Jennifer Gaddis, a University of Wisconsin-Madison associate professor of civil society and community studies who studies school food systems, “let alone to do the holistic transformation that we need in order to make school meals really important engines of public health and economic vitality in our communities.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Additionally, Gaddis said, the heat-and-serve model of the past allowed schools to spend less money by hiring fewer workers for shorter shifts. Preparing meals from scratch would require workers to be present longer and kitchens to be equipped for cooking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many school meal programs receive state funding in addition to federal dollars, but the amounts vary. \u003ca href=\"https://schoolnutrition.org/about-school-meals/school-meal-statistics/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">According to SNA\u003c/a>, nine states have dedicated state funds to provide universal free school meals.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>“If a kid is hungry, they’re not studying”\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Despite the budget and logistical constraints, more schools are finding ways to expand their efforts to cook meals from scratch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Chef Ann Foundation, for example, offers an online database of recipes and guides for districts that want to prepare fresher meals, as well as apprenticeships, fellowships and other programs for nutritional staff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Great Valley School District hired a chef in December to help source more local ingredients, expand the district’s freshly prepared offerings and train staff members on new kitchen skills. Jenifer Halin, the district’s new culinary coordinator, said she found frozen, precut vegetables in the cafeteria kitchen when she arrived. “And I have already transitioned everybody over to cutting fresh vegetables. It’s been simple.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/5139x3426+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F41%2F50%2F978a0f2549a6b0ad2d4f31efe727%2Fschoolnutrition-063.JPG\" alt=\"Culinary coordinator Jenifer Halin has been expanding the Great Valley School District's freshly prepared offerings and training staff members on new kitchen skills.\">\u003cfigcaption>Culinary coordinator Jenifer Halin has been expanding the Great Valley School District’s freshly prepared offerings and training staff members on new kitchen skills. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Taylor, the district’s supervisor of food and nutrition services, has even tried to reformulate some of those meals suggested by students to meet federal nutrition standards, and she said she still hopes to cook more meals from scratch, which would mean giving more staff members full-time status and culinary training. (The cost of cheaper raw ingredients might make the overall financial math even out, she said.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I want to be able to offer our students our own muffins, our own French toast sticks,” Taylor said, standing in Great Valley High School’s walk-in freezer next to boxes of frozen chicken breasts and banana chocolate chip breakfast bars. “I want to be able to produce our own pizza, so that we’re not having to buy out from other vendors.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her efforts have not gone unnoticed by the students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It started with like one day randomly they had this grilled cheese and tomato bisque, and it was like ancient-grain bread, and everyone was like, ‘It tasted like Panera,'” said Varun Kartick, a Great Valley High School senior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More new dishes followed. Kartick, who doesn’t eat pork or beef, said the vegetables have been fresher and the cafeteria staff often makes entrees vegetarian upon request. On a given day, he may opt for a seasonal chicken wrap or fill up a plate with pasta and vegetables.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4188x2792+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F46%2F22%2Fa46a9dbe4e9b87adf28bcace5e0d%2Fschoolnutrition-072.JPG\" alt=\"Sixth-grade students arrive for lunch in the cafeteria of the Great Valley 5/6 Center.\">\u003cfigcaption>Sixth-grade students arrive for lunch in the cafeteria of the Great Valley 5/6 Center. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“It’s been very convenient and very nice to see that change, that we’re not disgusted [by the food] or having to pack a lunch,” he said. “There’s an option that we can have at school.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Among the items on offer in the cafeteria that day were pizza and chicken fingers, as well as avocado toast and a salad made with Pennsylvania sweet potatoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor said getting more students to eat breakfast and lunch at school would mean more federal reimbursements that could help her expand the district’s nutrition program. But it would also ensure that — most importantly to her — more students are fed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If a kid is hungry, they’re not studying. They can’t learn. They’re acting out,” Taylor said. “But if you build this into part of their school day to where they feel like this is the norm for them, then you’ve knocked down that hurdle.”\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Grocery prices got you down? Learn how to cut your food bill with NPR’s 4-part newsletter. \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/newsletter/food-budget\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cem>Sign up here\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> for budgeting tips, meal planning and more.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet many districts rely on processed, premade foods to feed their students, and protein is already the most expensive ingredient on the cafeteria plate, school nutrition experts say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This year, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s reimbursement rate for schools in the contiguous 48 states is about $4.60 per meal for a student who is eligible for a free lunch, according to the School Nutrition Association (SNA). The rate is $4.20 for students eligible for a reduced-price lunch and $0.44 for students who pay full price, SNA said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4000x4000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F79%2F51%2Ff4e454ef47a38cf4d3beb399e21c%2Fschool-lunch-trio.jpg\" alt=\"Budget concerns aside, the Great Valley School District is finding ways to enhance its meal program and get more students into the breakfast and lunch lines.\">\u003cfigcaption>Budget concerns aside, the Great Valley School District is finding ways to enhance its meal program and get more students into the breakfast and lunch lines. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Federal and state funding are the largest revenue streams in Taylor’s district, and they help pay for everything from staff wages and kitchen equipment to food and utility costs. She said she supports the nutritional goals of the new federal standards but wonders how they’ll affect schools already struggling to operate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We want to follow the guidelines, because we are that voice that says, ‘No, you can eat healthy and still eat really well,'” Taylor said. “But we also have to be realistic and say we need the funding for it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, the Trump administration has cut funding programs that allowed schools to buy local food from farmers.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How dietary guidelines can affect schools\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/5418x3611+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fb9%2Fe3%2F1f5753cc416eb69f2125832ad005%2Fgettyimages-2255262632.jpg\" alt=\"Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins on Jan. 8 announces new dietary guidelines, including an emphasis on proteins and full-fat dairy, as well as limits on processed foods.\">\u003cfigcaption>Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins on Jan. 8 announces new dietary guidelines, including an emphasis on proteins and full-fat dairy, as well as limits on processed foods. \u003ccite> (Anna Moneymaker | Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said at a press conference for the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2026/01/07/nx-s1-5667021/dietary-guidelines-rfk-jr-nutrition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">updated guidelines\u003c/a> in January that she was particularly interested in how they could improve child nutrition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Right now, that is going to be the single most important, from my perspective, move forward — is the school lunches and making sure that we’re getting the right amount, the best amount and the most nutrient-dense foods into the schools,” Rollins said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Yet some in the medical community have objected to the new food pyramid, specifically the placement of saturated fat sources such as red meat and full-fat dairy at the top. “It does go against decades and decades of evidence and research,” Stanford University nutrition expert Christopher Gardner \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2026/01/07/nx-s1-5667021/dietary-guidelines-rfk-jr-nutrition\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">told NPR\u003c/a> this year. Gardner was a member of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Exactly how the government’s new dietary guidelines will impact schools is unclear. The Department of Agriculture (USDA) said it is still working to update the nutrition standards it requires of institutions taking part in the National School Lunch Program, which fed 30 million children last year, and the School Breakfast Program. The department said in an email that the new guidelines are a “pivotal step to Make America Healthy Again through real, nutrient-dense foods” and that the guidelines’ release “kicks off a multi-year effort” to update the rules of the department’s nutrition programs through a formal rule-making process, which will include public comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4030x3000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F4d%2F24%2Fe9ce4d2a4208837804f0b9ad4823%2Fschool-lunch-duo1.jpg\" alt=\"Schools in the federal meal programs are already beginning to reduce added sugar in certain items to align with new federal rules.\">\u003cfigcaption>Schools in the federal meal programs are already beginning to reduce added sugar in certain items to align with new federal rules. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Mara Fleishman, CEO of the Chef Ann Foundation, which works to help schools cook more meals from scratch, applauded the move away from highly processed foods but said the shift wouldn’t be easy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The conundrum is that often animal protein in school food is one of the most highly processed components,” she said. Fleishman used chicken nuggets as an example, which she said appear in some form in just about every school district in the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The primary chicken nuggets that are served come cooked frozen. So you get it cooked, you put it in your freezer, take it out, put it in the retherm [ovens], put it on the line. And it’s got about 35 ingredients in it,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fleishman said districts that want to cook chicken strips from scratch could make them fresh using six or seven ingredients. “But it’s hard, because you go from buying a chicken nugget, which is totally contained,” to having to consider the financial, labor and waste implications of cooking it from scratch, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>USDA cut funding that helped schools buy local food\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>At the same time as the Trump administration is urging Americans to eat more “real” food, it has cut funding that enabled schools to buy from local farmers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In March of last year, the \u003ca href=\"https://schoolnutrition.org/sna-news/proposed-school-meal-cuts-prompt-nationwide-advocacy/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">School Nutrition Association reported\u003c/a> that the USDA ended the Local Food for Schools Cooperative Agreement Program (LFS), erasing an estimated $660 million in funding. LFS provided money that schools could use to buy “unprocessed or minimally processed foods, such as meat, poultry, fruit, vegetables, seafood, and dairy” from local or regional producers, \u003ca href=\"https://www.ams.usda.gov/selling-food-to-usda/lfs/faqs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">according to the program’s website\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That was a big loss,” said Stephanie Dillard, SNA president and the nutrition director of an Alabama school district, “because we lost the money we could spend on local farmers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The USDA said in an emailed statement that the Local Food for Schools Cooperative Agreement Program — as well as the Local Food Purchase Assistance Cooperative Agreement Program (LFPA), which supports feeding programs such as food banks — are being “sunsetted at the end of their performance periods.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The department said that it released more than half a billion dollars in funding through the two programs last year and that, as of March, $100 million remained in LFPA funding and more than $17 million remained in LFS funding for states to use.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/5472x3648+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F3a%2Ff4%2Fbec0c7a247e1a60e918dce3299f9%2Fschoolnutrition-033.JPG\" alt=\"Great Valley School District students eat lunch in their cafeteria. Cafeteria staff sometimes make vegetarian entrees upon request.\">\u003cfigcaption>Great Valley School District students eat lunch in their cafeteria. Cafeteria staff sometimes make vegetarian entrees upon request. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The USDA also paused funding from the Patrick Leahy Farm to School grant program for the 2025 fiscal year, which a spokesperson said was in response to \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-and-wasteful-government-dei-programs-and-preferencing/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Trump’s executive order\u003c/a> targeting diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs in January 2025.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>However, the program reopened for the 2026 fiscal year and offered up to $18 million in awards. The department said it “streamlined the Farm to School Grant application process and removed Biden-era DEI components to ensure equal treatment, not preferential treatment, of applicants.” Rollins said in a statement that the grants are “one of the best ways we can deliver nutritious, high-quality meals to children, while also strengthening local agriculture.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Schools have long called for more money for meals\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For years, education administrators and child nutrition advocates have been saying that school cafeterias — often called the biggest restaurants in town — operate on tight budgets due in part to inadequate reimbursements from the federal government. Federal initiatives such as the National School Lunch Program and the School Breakfast Program provide billions of dollars in funding each year to schools across the U.S. to keep their meal programs afloat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reimbursement rates are adjusted annually based on the consumer price index, but school nutrition directors say that the increases are not enough and that Congress needs to revisit the reimbursement formula altogether, as meal programs become more expensive to operate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It all comes down to funding,” said Dillard, of the SNA. “The sky would be the limit if we had the funding. We could cook all day long.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4030x3000+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1f%2F7b%2Fdbc68d364e8ebaa5023e6c12c958%2Fschool-lunch-duo2.jpg\" alt=\"Taylor, of the Great Valley School District, said students have given feedback on menu changes.\">\u003cfigcaption>Taylor, of the Great Valley School District, said students have given feedback on menu changes. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In an \u003ca href=\"https://schoolnutrition.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/SY-25-26-School-Nutrition-Trends-Report.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">SNA survey\u003c/a> released in January, nearly 95% of school nutrition directors said they were concerned about the financial sustainability of their programs three years from now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The current reimbursement rate isn’t even quite enough for the current status quo,” said Jennifer Gaddis, a University of Wisconsin-Madison associate professor of civil society and community studies who studies school food systems, “let alone to do the holistic transformation that we need in order to make school meals really important engines of public health and economic vitality in our communities.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Additionally, Gaddis said, the heat-and-serve model of the past allowed schools to spend less money by hiring fewer workers for shorter shifts. Preparing meals from scratch would require workers to be present longer and kitchens to be equipped for cooking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many school meal programs receive state funding in addition to federal dollars, but the amounts vary. \u003ca href=\"https://schoolnutrition.org/about-school-meals/school-meal-statistics/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">According to SNA\u003c/a>, nine states have dedicated state funds to provide universal free school meals.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>“If a kid is hungry, they’re not studying”\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Despite the budget and logistical constraints, more schools are finding ways to expand their efforts to cook meals from scratch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Chef Ann Foundation, for example, offers an online database of recipes and guides for districts that want to prepare fresher meals, as well as apprenticeships, fellowships and other programs for nutritional staff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Great Valley School District hired a chef in December to help source more local ingredients, expand the district’s freshly prepared offerings and train staff members on new kitchen skills. Jenifer Halin, the district’s new culinary coordinator, said she found frozen, precut vegetables in the cafeteria kitchen when she arrived. “And I have already transitioned everybody over to cutting fresh vegetables. It’s been simple.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/5139x3426+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F41%2F50%2F978a0f2549a6b0ad2d4f31efe727%2Fschoolnutrition-063.JPG\" alt=\"Culinary coordinator Jenifer Halin has been expanding the Great Valley School District's freshly prepared offerings and training staff members on new kitchen skills.\">\u003cfigcaption>Culinary coordinator Jenifer Halin has been expanding the Great Valley School District’s freshly prepared offerings and training staff members on new kitchen skills. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Taylor, the district’s supervisor of food and nutrition services, has even tried to reformulate some of those meals suggested by students to meet federal nutrition standards, and she said she still hopes to cook more meals from scratch, which would mean giving more staff members full-time status and culinary training. (The cost of cheaper raw ingredients might make the overall financial math even out, she said.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I want to be able to offer our students our own muffins, our own French toast sticks,” Taylor said, standing in Great Valley High School’s walk-in freezer next to boxes of frozen chicken breasts and banana chocolate chip breakfast bars. “I want to be able to produce our own pizza, so that we’re not having to buy out from other vendors.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her efforts have not gone unnoticed by the students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It started with like one day randomly they had this grilled cheese and tomato bisque, and it was like ancient-grain bread, and everyone was like, ‘It tasted like Panera,'” said Varun Kartick, a Great Valley High School senior.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More new dishes followed. Kartick, who doesn’t eat pork or beef, said the vegetables have been fresher and the cafeteria staff often makes entrees vegetarian upon request. On a given day, he may opt for a seasonal chicken wrap or fill up a plate with pasta and vegetables.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/4188x2792+0+0/resize/1200/quality/75/format/jpeg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F46%2F22%2Fa46a9dbe4e9b87adf28bcace5e0d%2Fschoolnutrition-072.JPG\" alt=\"Sixth-grade students arrive for lunch in the cafeteria of the Great Valley 5/6 Center.\">\u003cfigcaption>Sixth-grade students arrive for lunch in the cafeteria of the Great Valley 5/6 Center. \u003ccite> (Rachel Wisniewski for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“It’s been very convenient and very nice to see that change, that we’re not disgusted [by the food] or having to pack a lunch,” he said. “There’s an option that we can have at school.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Among the items on offer in the cafeteria that day were pizza and chicken fingers, as well as avocado toast and a salad made with Pennsylvania sweet potatoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Taylor said getting more students to eat breakfast and lunch at school would mean more federal reimbursements that could help her expand the district’s nutrition program. But it would also ensure that — most importantly to her — more students are fed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If a kid is hungry, they’re not studying. They can’t learn. They’re acting out,” Taylor said. “But if you build this into part of their school day to where they feel like this is the norm for them, then you’ve knocked down that hurdle.”\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>The pandemic-era backslide in math and reading scores for students across the U.S. was not a sudden catastrophe but the continuation of a brutal, decade-long “learning recession” that began years before COVID-19’s arrival. That’s according to the latest \u003ca href=\"https://educationscorecard.org/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Education Scorecard\u003c/a>, an annual deep-dive into student data from The Educational Opportunity Project at Stanford University and Harvard University’s Center for Education Policy Research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The new Scorecard, released Wednesday and in its fourth year, offers several revelations for families, educators and policymakers looking for clarity — and hope — at a time when public education has been blamed and battered for those persistent declines in student performance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Among the report’s takeaways: Most states are finally making gains in math; federal relief dollars likely helped the lowest-income districts mount a hearty comeback; and, while most states have yet to make gains in reading, those that have all made legislative changes to how it’s taught in their schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before we dive in, one caveat: The annual Education Scorecard includes data from the vast majority of states and Washington D.C. drawn from their own state tests — as opposed to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/09/09/nx-s1-5526918/nations-report-card-scores-reading-math-science-education-cuts\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Nation’s Report Card\u003c/a>. But some states were excluded for various reasons, including if their state assessments had changed recently (Illinois, Kansas), if test opt-out rates were too high (New York, Colorado) or if a state didn’t publish district-level data with enough detail.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>‘The learning recession’\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For nearly a quarter-century, from 1990 to 2013, math achievement among fourth- and eighth-graders “rose steadily,” according to the Scorecard’s analysis. So steadily that “the average fourth grader in 2013 could perform the same math skills as the average sixth grader could in 1990. That’s enormous progress,” says Stanford University’s Sean Reardon, one of the Scorecard’s authors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reading gains weren’t quite as eye-popping, but they were gains nonetheless.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These sustained gains “may be one of the most important social policy successes of the last half-century that nobody knows about,” says Harvard’s Thomas Kane, one of the Scorecard’s authors. “Racial gaps were narrowing too. We just need to get back on that track.\u003cem>“\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In short, much was right with America’s schools, which makes the decline that began around 2013 “appear more striking and anomalous,” the report says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>“\u003c/strong>Particularly in reading, test scores were going down for four to six years before the pandemic,” says Reardon. “In fact, you wouldn’t really know there was a pandemic effect if you just looked at the last 10 or 12 years of test scores. There’s been just a steady kind of decline regardless of the pandemic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What might have triggered that decline?\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The Scorecard’s trigger theories\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Scorecard researchers offer two possible explanations for the beginning of schools’ learning recession:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>1. The fade-out of test-based accountability\u003c/strong>: Remember the much-maligned federal education law, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/12/08/458844737/no-child-left-behind-an-obituary\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">No Child Left Behind (NCLB)\u003c/a>, that took a tough-love approach with schools to improve student performance? The law, implemented in 2003, threatened a host of sanctions, including school closure, if student test scores didn’t rise, but its standards were seen by many to be not just unrealistic \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/10/11/354931351/it-s-2014-all-children-are-supposed-to-be-proficient-under-federal-law\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">but unattainable\u003c/a>. By 2013, the Obama administration began issuing waivers to free states from the law’s consequences. According to the Scorecard, 38 states were granted relief in the 2012-13 school year. Eventually, Congress replaced NCLB with a new federal law that de-emphasized test-based accountability.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Around 2013, Kane says, “school districts learned that nobody was looking over their shoulders in terms of student achievement.\u003cem>“\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the Scorecard researchers don’t draw a direct, causal connection between the declines of test-based accountability and student scores, it’s clear that the nation’s learning recession began at roughly the same time states and schools stepped back from the punishing consequences of NCLB.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>2. Students’ social media use:\u003c/strong> It turns out, 2013 also marks a period of explosive growth in teenagers use of social media. A \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pew Research\u003c/a> study found that in 2014-15, roughly 1 in 4 teens said they used the internet “almost constantly.” By 2022, it was nearly half of teens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The researchers also point to international testing data that shows that lower-achieving students are the heaviest users of social media. Students who spend more time (7+ hours per day) on social media score below students who spend less (1-3 hours). And this gap, between the highest and lowest performers, began growing before the pandemic, not just in the U.S. but in many other countries too.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The end of the learning recession?\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Scorecard devotes considerable analysis to what’s been happening in schools since the end of the pandemic, from 2022 through the spring of 2025. There are signs that the nation’s learning recession may be turning around, albeit slowly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In that span of time, most of the states covered by this year’s Scorecard showed students making meaningful improvement in math, with Washington D.C. coming in as the clear winner there. Only five states failed to make gains in math: Georgia, Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska and Iowa.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reading, though, remains a cause for concern. While D.C., Louisiana, Maryland and five other states did experience meaningful improvement between 2022 and 2025, most states continued to stagnate or, as in Florida, Arizona and Nebraska, further declined.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s also worth noting, while schools are once again, on average, regaining ground in math and slowly turning the corner in reading, the declines that began around 2013 have been so steep and lasting that only one state, Louisiana, has returned to 2019 performance levels in both subjects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No state has returned to 2013 levels, according to Reardon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s easy to be sort of doom and gloom,” he adds, “but when you look at the period from the ’90s through 2013, we made enormous gains. And we actually narrowed achievement gaps between racial groups. That says we can actually improve our schools in ways that also improve equality of opportunity. We just haven’t been doing it for the last decade. But we could do it again.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The U-shaped recovery\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Scorecard reveals a fascinating phenomenon in schools from 2022 to 2025: a U-shaped recovery. Meaning, schools with the least amount of poverty, alongside schools with the most poverty, saw similar gains in math and similarly small losses in reading achievement. That’s while the schools in the middle of the income spectrum, at the bottom of this U, improved the least in both subjects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Why? One theory is that the highest-poverty districts got the most help from Congress in the form of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/06/18/nx-s1-5010963/schools-aid-students-pandemic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">federal COVID relief dollars\u003c/a> — money they could spend on interventions such as tutoring and summer school. Districts with the lowest poverty rates got little help from the federal government but were already well-positioned financially. It was the middle-income districts that needed more help but didn’t qualify for full federal support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If it hadn’t been for the federal pandemic relief,” says Kane, “we estimate there would have been no recovery on average for the highest-poverty districts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The science of reading effect\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There’s been an important wild card in the effort to improve students’ reading skills: A movement among states to change their approach to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/02/12/582465905/the-gap-between-the-science-on-kids-and-reading-and-how-it-is-taught\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">teaching reading to young children\u003c/a> by \u003ca href=\"https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/08/22/whats-wrong-how-schools-teach-reading\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">embracing the \u003c/a>\u003ca href=\"https://www.apmreports.org/story/2025/10/16/legislators-reading-laws-sold-a-story\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">“science of reading.”\u003c/a> As of March, the Scorecard says, most states had passed new literacy laws, including doubling down on the importance of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/02/12/582465905/the-gap-between-the-science-on-kids-and-reading-and-how-it-is-taught\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">teaching phonics\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Scorecard authors note that all seven of the states (plus D.C.) that saw reading gains between 2022 and 2025 had put comprehensive science of reading reforms into place. Of the states that had not by January 2024, none saw improvement. The connection between these reforms and improved results isn’t necessarily causal, they warn, but there’s clearly a link.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With most states struggling to make reading gains, one district-level success story highlighted by the Scorecard stands out: Baltimore City Public Schools. In spite of the challenges posed by poverty — most students there qualify for free or reduced-price meals — Baltimore students have been making striking reading gains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under CEO Sonja Brookins Santelises, the district reformed its approach to literacy. It embraced \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/06/02/nx-s1-4916590/some-states-are-adopting-a-new-form-of-reading-instruction-to-combat-falling-scores\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the science of reading\u003c/a> even before the pandemic and years ahead of the national wave of state-based literacy legislation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Brookins Santelises took the lead in Baltimore in 2016, she says she quickly embraced the science of reading districtwide and its emphasis on phonics, as opposed to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/03/11/591504959/rethinking-how-students-with-dyslexia-are-taught-to-read\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">whole language approach\u003c/a>, which teaches children to guess at words using cues from a text’s pictures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I remember gathering the [district’s] literacy department. And I said, ‘If you want to do whole language, there are other districts in Maryland that are doing whole language, and you are free to go there. We are not doing that in Baltimore City. I respect you, but you cannot stay here. I’ve been ferocious about it ever since.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>‘Kiss your brains!’\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The benefits of these changes appear to have been twofold. During the pandemic, the Scorecard shows Baltimore schools lost far less ground in reading than schools with similar levels of poverty. Then, in 2022, with those practices firmly in place, the city’s reading scores began to skyrocket, erasing pandemic-era losses and rising back around 2017 levels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Baltimore’s successful approach to teaching literacy was on full display on a recent May morning, in veteran teacher Kimberly Lowery’s kindergarten class at Johnston Square Elementary. Lowery sat at the front of a rainbow-colored reading rug, running through a series of phonics-based games that her kindergarteners seemed to genuinely enjoy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There was letter-sound bingo, guess-the-sound flashcards and even a visit from a special spelling helper — a toy owl, named Echo, who lives at the end of a yardstick. If the kids’ laughter and cheering isn’t sign enough that they’re learning, district data shows that, by the end of last year, three-quarters of Lowery’s students were reading at or above grade level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lowery told the children to kiss their brains and asked, “You guys are super-duper what?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In unison, the children hollered, “Smart!”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Yes you are,” Lowery answered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Edited by: Nirvi Shah and \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/people/6576424/steve-drummond\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cem>Steve Drummond\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003cem>Visual design and development by: \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/people/348775569/la-johnson\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u003cem>LA Johnson\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEILA FADEL, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A report out today shows that big losses in reading and math scores did not begin with the pandemic. Researchers say they started more than a decade ago. NPR’s Cory Turner has more on what they call a learning recession and what some states are doing about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CORY TURNER, BYLINE: The report, called the Education Scorecard, comes from researchers at Stanford, Harvard and Dartmouth. Let’s start with that headline about the nation being stuck in a learning recession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SEAN REARDON: Particularly in reading, test scores were going down for four to six years before the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Stanford researcher Sean Reardon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>REARDON: In fact, you wouldn’t really know there was a pandemic effect if you just looked at the last 10 or 12 years of test scores. There’s been just a steady kind of decline.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Reardon argues this learning recession began around 2013, after a quarter century of learning gains he calls astonishing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>REARDON: The average fourth-grader in 2013 could perform the same math skills as the average sixth-grader could in 1990.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: And that matters, Reardon says, because as bad as things are now, it means America’s schools have done incredible things before and can do them again. To stop this learning recession, though, we need to know not just when it started, but why. Tom Kane at Harvard says there are at least two possible explanations. One, schools stopped worrying about a tough federal law that punished them for low test scores.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TOM KANE: Under No Child Left Behind, school leaders every year had to be nervous the day that their test results were being announced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: But Kane says around 2013, that law was essentially abandoned. So that’s one theory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KANE: The other one is the rise in social media, which happened about the same time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Turns out, reading and math scores also started falling as teens’ social media use skyrocketed. What really caused the declines, though, it’s too early to know. Now, let’s jump to the present and some good news. Last year, students in most states showed improvement in math, offering fresh hope for an end to this learning recession. Reading’s been a tougher slog, but there’s hope there, too. The few states that have improved all have something in common.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: C. Cat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: They’ve doubled down on phonics and the science of reading, including Maryland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KIMBERLY LOWERY: C-L-oud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KIMBERLEY LOWERY AND UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: C-L-oud. Cloud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LOWERY: You guys are super-duper what?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: Smart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LOWERY: Kiss your brain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Baltimore City Schools have made big gains in reading. Last year, teacher Kimberly Lowery helped three-quarters of her kindergartners become grade-level readers or better. Her top boss, Sonja Brookins Santelises, has been Baltimore City Schools’ CEO for the past decade and says she came in determined to improve the district’s approach to literacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SONJA BROOKINS SANTELISES: The first thing that it did mean was that we all learn together how young people learn to read.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Brookins Santelises decided to move away from an approach known as whole language and toward the science of reading. So she told her literacy staff…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>BROOKINS SANTELISES: There are other districts in Maryland that are doing whole language, and you are free to go there. We are not doing that in Baltimore City.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Then, during the pandemic, Baltimore students lost far less ground than kids in schools with similar levels of poverty. And by 2022…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: (Laughter).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: The city’s reading scores were shooting up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LOWERY: All righty. Raymond.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Back in Mrs. Lowery’s kindergarten class, the kids have the giggles after a fun game of breaking down word sounds. Mrs. Lowery asks them one more time – you guys are super-duper what?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: Smart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Smart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Cory Turner, NPR News, Baltimore, Maryland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ROBERT GLASPER’S “RECKONER”)\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The pandemic-era backslide in math and reading scores for students across the U.S. was not a sudden catastrophe but the continuation of a brutal, decade-long “learning recession” that began years before COVID-19’s arrival. That’s according to the latest \u003ca href=\"https://educationscorecard.org/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Education Scorecard\u003c/a>, an annual deep-dive into student data from The Educational Opportunity Project at Stanford University and Harvard University’s Center for Education Policy Research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The new Scorecard, released Wednesday and in its fourth year, offers several revelations for families, educators and policymakers looking for clarity — and hope — at a time when public education has been blamed and battered for those persistent declines in student performance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed npr-promo-card insettwocolumn\">\n\u003cdiv class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\u003c/div>\n\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Among the report’s takeaways: Most states are finally making gains in math; federal relief dollars likely helped the lowest-income districts mount a hearty comeback; and, while most states have yet to make gains in reading, those that have all made legislative changes to how it’s taught in their schools.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before we dive in, one caveat: The annual Education Scorecard includes data from the vast majority of states and Washington D.C. drawn from their own state tests — as opposed to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/09/09/nx-s1-5526918/nations-report-card-scores-reading-math-science-education-cuts\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Nation’s Report Card\u003c/a>. But some states were excluded for various reasons, including if their state assessments had changed recently (Illinois, Kansas), if test opt-out rates were too high (New York, Colorado) or if a state didn’t publish district-level data with enough detail.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>‘The learning recession’\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>For nearly a quarter-century, from 1990 to 2013, math achievement among fourth- and eighth-graders “rose steadily,” according to the Scorecard’s analysis. So steadily that “the average fourth grader in 2013 could perform the same math skills as the average sixth grader could in 1990. That’s enormous progress,” says Stanford University’s Sean Reardon, one of the Scorecard’s authors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reading gains weren’t quite as eye-popping, but they were gains nonetheless.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These sustained gains “may be one of the most important social policy successes of the last half-century that nobody knows about,” says Harvard’s Thomas Kane, one of the Scorecard’s authors. “Racial gaps were narrowing too. We just need to get back on that track.\u003cem>“\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In short, much was right with America’s schools, which makes the decline that began around 2013 “appear more striking and anomalous,” the report says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>“\u003c/strong>Particularly in reading, test scores were going down for four to six years before the pandemic,” says Reardon. “In fact, you wouldn’t really know there was a pandemic effect if you just looked at the last 10 or 12 years of test scores. There’s been just a steady kind of decline regardless of the pandemic.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What might have triggered that decline?\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The Scorecard’s trigger theories\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Scorecard researchers offer two possible explanations for the beginning of schools’ learning recession:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>1. The fade-out of test-based accountability\u003c/strong>: Remember the much-maligned federal education law, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/12/08/458844737/no-child-left-behind-an-obituary\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">No Child Left Behind (NCLB)\u003c/a>, that took a tough-love approach with schools to improve student performance? The law, implemented in 2003, threatened a host of sanctions, including school closure, if student test scores didn’t rise, but its standards were seen by many to be not just unrealistic \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2014/10/11/354931351/it-s-2014-all-children-are-supposed-to-be-proficient-under-federal-law\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">but unattainable\u003c/a>. By 2013, the Obama administration began issuing waivers to free states from the law’s consequences. According to the Scorecard, 38 states were granted relief in the 2012-13 school year. Eventually, Congress replaced NCLB with a new federal law that de-emphasized test-based accountability.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Around 2013, Kane says, “school districts learned that nobody was looking over their shoulders in terms of student achievement.\u003cem>“\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the Scorecard researchers don’t draw a direct, causal connection between the declines of test-based accountability and student scores, it’s clear that the nation’s learning recession began at roughly the same time states and schools stepped back from the punishing consequences of NCLB.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>2. Students’ social media use:\u003c/strong> It turns out, 2013 also marks a period of explosive growth in teenagers use of social media. A \u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/08/10/teens-social-media-and-technology-2022/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pew Research\u003c/a> study found that in 2014-15, roughly 1 in 4 teens said they used the internet “almost constantly.” By 2022, it was nearly half of teens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The researchers also point to international testing data that shows that lower-achieving students are the heaviest users of social media. Students who spend more time (7+ hours per day) on social media score below students who spend less (1-3 hours). And this gap, between the highest and lowest performers, began growing before the pandemic, not just in the U.S. but in many other countries too.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The end of the learning recession?\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Scorecard devotes considerable analysis to what’s been happening in schools since the end of the pandemic, from 2022 through the spring of 2025. There are signs that the nation’s learning recession may be turning around, albeit slowly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In that span of time, most of the states covered by this year’s Scorecard showed students making meaningful improvement in math, with Washington D.C. coming in as the clear winner there. Only five states failed to make gains in math: Georgia, Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska and Iowa.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Reading, though, remains a cause for concern. While D.C., Louisiana, Maryland and five other states did experience meaningful improvement between 2022 and 2025, most states continued to stagnate or, as in Florida, Arizona and Nebraska, further declined.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s also worth noting, while schools are once again, on average, regaining ground in math and slowly turning the corner in reading, the declines that began around 2013 have been so steep and lasting that only one state, Louisiana, has returned to 2019 performance levels in both subjects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No state has returned to 2013 levels, according to Reardon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s easy to be sort of doom and gloom,” he adds, “but when you look at the period from the ’90s through 2013, we made enormous gains. And we actually narrowed achievement gaps between racial groups. That says we can actually improve our schools in ways that also improve equality of opportunity. We just haven’t been doing it for the last decade. But we could do it again.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The U-shaped recovery\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The Scorecard reveals a fascinating phenomenon in schools from 2022 to 2025: a U-shaped recovery. Meaning, schools with the least amount of poverty, alongside schools with the most poverty, saw similar gains in math and similarly small losses in reading achievement. That’s while the schools in the middle of the income spectrum, at the bottom of this U, improved the least in both subjects.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Why? One theory is that the highest-poverty districts got the most help from Congress in the form of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/06/18/nx-s1-5010963/schools-aid-students-pandemic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">federal COVID relief dollars\u003c/a> — money they could spend on interventions such as tutoring and summer school. Districts with the lowest poverty rates got little help from the federal government but were already well-positioned financially. It was the middle-income districts that needed more help but didn’t qualify for full federal support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If it hadn’t been for the federal pandemic relief,” says Kane, “we estimate there would have been no recovery on average for the highest-poverty districts.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The science of reading effect\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>There’s been an important wild card in the effort to improve students’ reading skills: A movement among states to change their approach to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/02/12/582465905/the-gap-between-the-science-on-kids-and-reading-and-how-it-is-taught\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">teaching reading to young children\u003c/a> by \u003ca href=\"https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/08/22/whats-wrong-how-schools-teach-reading\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">embracing the \u003c/a>\u003ca href=\"https://www.apmreports.org/story/2025/10/16/legislators-reading-laws-sold-a-story\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">“science of reading.”\u003c/a> As of March, the Scorecard says, most states had passed new literacy laws, including doubling down on the importance of \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/02/12/582465905/the-gap-between-the-science-on-kids-and-reading-and-how-it-is-taught\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">teaching phonics\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Scorecard authors note that all seven of the states (plus D.C.) that saw reading gains between 2022 and 2025 had put comprehensive science of reading reforms into place. Of the states that had not by January 2024, none saw improvement. The connection between these reforms and improved results isn’t necessarily causal, they warn, but there’s clearly a link.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With most states struggling to make reading gains, one district-level success story highlighted by the Scorecard stands out: Baltimore City Public Schools. In spite of the challenges posed by poverty — most students there qualify for free or reduced-price meals — Baltimore students have been making striking reading gains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Under CEO Sonja Brookins Santelises, the district reformed its approach to literacy. It embraced \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/06/02/nx-s1-4916590/some-states-are-adopting-a-new-form-of-reading-instruction-to-combat-falling-scores\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the science of reading\u003c/a> even before the pandemic and years ahead of the national wave of state-based literacy legislation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Brookins Santelises took the lead in Baltimore in 2016, she says she quickly embraced the science of reading districtwide and its emphasis on phonics, as opposed to the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/03/11/591504959/rethinking-how-students-with-dyslexia-are-taught-to-read\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">whole language approach\u003c/a>, which teaches children to guess at words using cues from a text’s pictures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I remember gathering the [district’s] literacy department. And I said, ‘If you want to do whole language, there are other districts in Maryland that are doing whole language, and you are free to go there. We are not doing that in Baltimore City. I respect you, but you cannot stay here. I’ve been ferocious about it ever since.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>‘Kiss your brains!’\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The benefits of these changes appear to have been twofold. During the pandemic, the Scorecard shows Baltimore schools lost far less ground in reading than schools with similar levels of poverty. Then, in 2022, with those practices firmly in place, the city’s reading scores began to skyrocket, erasing pandemic-era losses and rising back around 2017 levels.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Baltimore’s successful approach to teaching literacy was on full display on a recent May morning, in veteran teacher Kimberly Lowery’s kindergarten class at Johnston Square Elementary. 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NPR’s Cory Turner has more on what they call a learning recession and what some states are doing about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CORY TURNER, BYLINE: The report, called the Education Scorecard, comes from researchers at Stanford, Harvard and Dartmouth. Let’s start with that headline about the nation being stuck in a learning recession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SEAN REARDON: Particularly in reading, test scores were going down for four to six years before the pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Stanford researcher Sean Reardon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>REARDON: In fact, you wouldn’t really know there was a pandemic effect if you just looked at the last 10 or 12 years of test scores. There’s been just a steady kind of decline.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Reardon argues this learning recession began around 2013, after a quarter century of learning gains he calls astonishing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>REARDON: The average fourth-grader in 2013 could perform the same math skills as the average sixth-grader could in 1990.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: And that matters, Reardon says, because as bad as things are now, it means America’s schools have done incredible things before and can do them again. To stop this learning recession, though, we need to know not just when it started, but why. Tom Kane at Harvard says there are at least two possible explanations. One, schools stopped worrying about a tough federal law that punished them for low test scores.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TOM KANE: Under No Child Left Behind, school leaders every year had to be nervous the day that their test results were being announced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: But Kane says around 2013, that law was essentially abandoned. So that’s one theory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KANE: The other one is the rise in social media, which happened about the same time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Turns out, reading and math scores also started falling as teens’ social media use skyrocketed. What really caused the declines, though, it’s too early to know. Now, let’s jump to the present and some good news. Last year, students in most states showed improvement in math, offering fresh hope for an end to this learning recession. Reading’s been a tougher slog, but there’s hope there, too. The few states that have improved all have something in common.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: C. Cat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: They’ve doubled down on phonics and the science of reading, including Maryland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KIMBERLY LOWERY: C-L-oud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KIMBERLEY LOWERY AND UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: C-L-oud. Cloud.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LOWERY: You guys are super-duper what?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: Smart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LOWERY: Kiss your brain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Baltimore City Schools have made big gains in reading. Last year, teacher Kimberly Lowery helped three-quarters of her kindergartners become grade-level readers or better. Her top boss, Sonja Brookins Santelises, has been Baltimore City Schools’ CEO for the past decade and says she came in determined to improve the district’s approach to literacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SONJA BROOKINS SANTELISES: The first thing that it did mean was that we all learn together how young people learn to read.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Brookins Santelises decided to move away from an approach known as whole language and toward the science of reading. So she told her literacy staff…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>BROOKINS SANTELISES: There are other districts in Maryland that are doing whole language, and you are free to go there. We are not doing that in Baltimore City.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: Then, during the pandemic, Baltimore students lost far less ground than kids in schools with similar levels of poverty. And by 2022…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED STUDENTS: (Laughter).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TURNER: The city’s reading scores were shooting up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LOWERY: All righty. 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"content": "\u003cp>Career “pathways” have become a big idea in high school reform. The goal is to give all students a structured sequence of courses in a career field, along with early exposure to the workplace and opportunities to build practical, job-related skills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many aspects of these programs are similar to the curriculums at traditional vocational schools. But this newer incarnation simultaneously aims to make the vocational high school more college oriented and the comprehensive high school more career oriented.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Are the millions of dollars invested in these programs actually helping students get a head start on college and careers?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That question can’t be fully answered yet. But a new \u003ca href=\"https://rodelde.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/DE_Pathways_Student_Outcomes_Study_Final_Report_revApr2026.pdf\">research report\u003c/a> from Delaware — a national leader in the pathways movement — offers some early clues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state launched career pathways in 2014. Today, about 70 percent of high school students, or 30,000 teenagers, are enrolled, according to the nonprofit Rodel, which works with Delaware policymakers to reform education and improve the state’s workforce.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ideally, students take a sequence of three or more courses in fields like healthcare, construction or education. Many also earn early college credits or make significant progress toward industry certifications, and some participate in internships or apprenticeships.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Researchers at RTI International, a nonprofit research organization, tracked more than 6,000 graduates who had completed at least two courses in a career field and surveyed them to see what they were doing in the years immediately after high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Three-quarters of the students surveyed were enrolled in college or another postsecondary training program after graduation, which is higher than the national average of \u003ca href=\"https://www.bls.gov/news.release/hsgec.htm\">63 percent\u003c/a>. But fewer than half were still studying or working in the field they had chosen in high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For example, among students who completed a pathway in architecture and construction, fewer than 20 percent pursued construction-related majors. Many shifted instead to fields like science and engineering (40 percent), business (8 percent) or healthcare (6 percent).\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Most popular high-school pathway fields in Delaware\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66323\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1650px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66323\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report.png\" alt=\"Bar graph listing popular career pathways.\" width=\"1650\" height=\"1542\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report.png 1650w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report-160x150.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report-768x718.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report-1536x1435.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1650px) 100vw, 1650px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">*Other pathways are an assortment of career fields, each totaling less than 5 percent of pathway graduates. Source: Delaware Pathways Outcomes Study — Final Report, April 2026, RTI International\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That mismatch isn’t necessarily a failure. For some students, the wrong path was clarifying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the students talked to us about it, they really considered it valuable to learn something they didn’t like,” said Sandra Staklis, lead author of the RTI report. “One student told us, ‘Oh, my mom and my aunt are nurses. And so I tried it out. And it turned out it wasn’t for me, but it was good to know that.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students also talked about gaining a broader set of skills that are useful in any field. “Students said they were learning those workplace skills like time management and working with other people on a project,” said Staklis. “A lot of academic work traditionally has been more individual, like reading a book or taking a test.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, the findings raise a fundamental question: Are pathways meant to steer students into specific career fields, or help them figure out what they don’t want to do?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students also described how much they valued the mentoring they received from their instructors, many of whom didn’t spend their professional lives in schools but in industry. One student profiled in the report, Kwame, said his teachers in the healthcare field showed him how to break down dense medical material and so he could study to earn his paramedic certification. He’s now majoring in public health at a four-year college and hopes to become a surgeon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two lessons stood out from the Delaware study.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Workplace experience\u003c/strong> matters most but is hardest for schools to deliver. Students who participated in internships or apprenticeships were more likely to continue in their field, the report found. Another student named James, also profiled in the report, pursued an education pathway in high school and, during his senior year, he shadowed a teacher, which taught him a lot about managing classroom behavior. He’s now pursuing an associate degree in elementary education.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>But these opportunities are difficult for schools to provide, requiring coordination with employers as well as solutions for scheduling and transportation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Workplace learning was more common in vocational high schools, where students often complete core coursework earlier and can spend more time outside the building during their senior year. By contrast, one-time experiences — such as guest speakers or field trips — had less impact but were easier for schools to arrange.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Students need\u003cstrong> better guidance \u003c/strong>especially when they want to change direction. Once students start a pathway, it can be difficult to switch. “If you’re a junior and you want to switch to a different pathway, you’d have to go back taking classes that are mostly freshmen and sophomores, and it just becomes logistically difficult to allow that,” said Staklis.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Luke Rhine, vice president for postsecondary success at Rodel, which commissioned the analysis, said the findings were encouraging but point to a need for stronger advising, which he calls “navigational support.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report also points to more questions for future research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s unclear how much of the higher college-going rate can be attributed to pathways themselves. The study is not causal, Staklis said, and students who complete these sequences may already have been more likely to pursue further education. Other incentives to pursue higher education could also be playing a role, including Delaware’s generous scholarship programs, which cover tuition at Delaware Technical Community College and Delaware State University for many students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While a majority of students were working, most were in part-time jobs in retail, delivery or fast-food that fit in with their studies. Longer-term outcomes — including careers and earnings — remain unknown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some researchers question the structure of the pathways model in a rapidly changing economy. Kerry McKittrick, co-director of the Project on Workforce at Harvard University, issued a report last week, “\u003ca href=\"https://pw.hks.harvard.edu/post/pivots-without-pathways-career-navigation-in-a-fragmented-labor-market\">Pivots Without Pathways: Career Navigation in a Fragmented Labor Market\u003c/a>,” based on an analysis of community college students and young adults. McKittrick argues that it might not make sense to require young students to go through a sequence of technical training classes for jobs that may not exist in five years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Pathways are a powerful option, but this linear path to a career is really the exception,” said McKittrick.”In a world where jobs continue to change, we also need to equip students and workers with the skills they need. … I’m talking about adaptability and decision making and information literacy and networking.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those skills, argues McKittrick, aren’t learned in a classroom, but through trial and error. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ideally, students take a sequence of three or more courses in fields like healthcare, construction or education. Many also earn early college credits or make significant progress toward industry certifications, and some participate in internships or apprenticeships.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Researchers at RTI International, a nonprofit research organization, tracked more than 6,000 graduates who had completed at least two courses in a career field and surveyed them to see what they were doing in the years immediately after high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Three-quarters of the students surveyed were enrolled in college or another postsecondary training program after graduation, which is higher than the national average of \u003ca href=\"https://www.bls.gov/news.release/hsgec.htm\">63 percent\u003c/a>. But fewer than half were still studying or working in the field they had chosen in high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For example, among students who completed a pathway in architecture and construction, fewer than 20 percent pursued construction-related majors. Many shifted instead to fields like science and engineering (40 percent), business (8 percent) or healthcare (6 percent).\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Most popular high-school pathway fields in Delaware\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_66323\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 1650px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-66323\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report.png\" alt=\"Bar graph listing popular career pathways.\" width=\"1650\" height=\"1542\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report.png 1650w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report-160x150.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report-768x718.png 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2026/05/Career-Pathways-Hechinger-Report-1536x1435.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1650px) 100vw, 1650px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">*Other pathways are an assortment of career fields, each totaling less than 5 percent of pathway graduates. Source: Delaware Pathways Outcomes Study — Final Report, April 2026, RTI International\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>That mismatch isn’t necessarily a failure. For some students, the wrong path was clarifying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When the students talked to us about it, they really considered it valuable to learn something they didn’t like,” said Sandra Staklis, lead author of the RTI report. “One student told us, ‘Oh, my mom and my aunt are nurses. And so I tried it out. 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He’s now majoring in public health at a four-year college and hopes to become a surgeon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two lessons stood out from the Delaware study.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>Workplace experience\u003c/strong> matters most but is hardest for schools to deliver. Students who participated in internships or apprenticeships were more likely to continue in their field, the report found. Another student named James, also profiled in the report, pursued an education pathway in high school and, during his senior year, he shadowed a teacher, which taught him a lot about managing classroom behavior. He’s now pursuing an associate degree in elementary education.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>But these opportunities are difficult for schools to provide, requiring coordination with employers as well as solutions for scheduling and transportation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Workplace learning was more common in vocational high schools, where students often complete core coursework earlier and can spend more time outside the building during their senior year. By contrast, one-time experiences — such as guest speakers or field trips — had less impact but were easier for schools to arrange.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Students need\u003cstrong> better guidance \u003c/strong>especially when they want to change direction. Once students start a pathway, it can be difficult to switch. “If you’re a junior and you want to switch to a different pathway, you’d have to go back taking classes that are mostly freshmen and sophomores, and it just becomes logistically difficult to allow that,” said Staklis.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Luke Rhine, vice president for postsecondary success at Rodel, which commissioned the analysis, said the findings were encouraging but point to a need for stronger advising, which he calls “navigational support.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The report also points to more questions for future research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s unclear how much of the higher college-going rate can be attributed to pathways themselves. The study is not causal, Staklis said, and students who complete these sequences may already have been more likely to pursue further education. Other incentives to pursue higher education could also be playing a role, including Delaware’s generous scholarship programs, which cover tuition at Delaware Technical Community College and Delaware State University for many students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While a majority of students were working, most were in part-time jobs in retail, delivery or fast-food that fit in with their studies. Longer-term outcomes — including careers and earnings — remain unknown.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some researchers question the structure of the pathways model in a rapidly changing economy. Kerry McKittrick, co-director of the Project on Workforce at Harvard University, issued a report last week, “\u003ca href=\"https://pw.hks.harvard.edu/post/pivots-without-pathways-career-navigation-in-a-fragmented-labor-market\">Pivots Without Pathways: Career Navigation in a Fragmented Labor Market\u003c/a>,” based on an analysis of community college students and young adults. McKittrick argues that it might not make sense to require young students to go through a sequence of technical training classes for jobs that may not exist in five years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Pathways are a powerful option, but this linear path to a career is really the exception,” said McKittrick.”In a world where jobs continue to change, we also need to equip students and workers with the skills they need. … I’m talking about adaptability and decision making and information literacy and networking.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those skills, argues McKittrick, aren’t learned in a classroom, but through trial and error. 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"content": "\u003cp>When Lila Byock’s oldest son was 11, she began to worry about how much time he spent on his school-issued iPad. It seemed as if he wasn’t allowed to go anywhere without it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“To the point that he was one day penalized for not having his iPad with him during PE class,” she recalls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She asked his school in central Los Angeles to explain why there was so much digital learning, even years after the COVID-19 pandemic: “There was no justification for why it was better,” she said. “It was just sort of, ‘Well, we got these things during COVID and might as well keep using them.'”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Byock started talking to fellow parents and formed \u003ca href=\"https://www.schoolsbeyondscreens.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Schools Beyond Screens\u003c/a>, an advocacy group with thousands of parents, beginning in Los Angeles but eventually expanding around the United States. She says whenever she talks to parents, they all have the same question: “This is an emergency — what can we do about it?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last week, after months of petitions and demonstrations, the school board of the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) voted unanimously to limit screen time for all grade levels, beginning in the fall, with a particular focus on eliminating it entirely for elementary-age students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The move is an about-face for a district that, since the pandemic, has \u003ca href=\"https://edsource.org/2024/lausd-launches-ed-the-nations-first-ai-personal-assistant-for-students/708127\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">focused on bringing technology into the classroom\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>States sprint to limit screen time\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The shift in the nation’s second-largest school district aligns with a flurry of recent state movement. Since January, Alabama, Tennessee, Utah and Virginia have passed some form of legislation to reevaluate technology’s role in education instruction and assessment, and more than 10 other states are considering similar restrictions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>T. Philip Nichols, an associate professor of English education at Baylor University, called the move by LAUSD “the pendulum swing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Nichols, who has researched technology’s role in public education for years, says all the recent activity is a shocking but welcome surprise. The proliferation of laptops, tablets and interactive whiteboards, he said, “aren’t just neutral tools. They shape the ways that we think. They shape the way that we communicate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposed legislation in Vermont recently \u003ca href=\"https://legislature.vermont.gov/Documents/2026/Docs/BILLS/H-0830/H-0830%20As%20Introduced.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cited Nichols’ work in a bill\u003c/a> that would allow parents to opt their kids out of screen time. His research argues that widespread computer use has not delivered on higher test scores or student achievement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Vermont bill also raises concerns about student data privacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These platforms are … also gathering data about how students are participating in them so that they can sell products back to schools,” Nichols said. “When you are reading a textbook, that textbook is not reading you back.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How much tech is too much?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Still, some advocates \u003ca href=\"https://www.brookings.edu/articles/is-technology-good-or-bad-for-learning/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">note decades of research\u003c/a> on the potential for computers and technology to streamline learning and provide useful information for students and educators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tracy Weeks, the senior director of education policy and strategy at the education technology company Instructure, says rushing to broadly ban screen time in schools is rash: “It’s sort of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Instructure creates \u003ca href=\"https://www.instructure.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">digital classroom-management tools\u003c/a> like Canvas and Mastery, used by about 30% of K-12 students nationwide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When we talk about things like screen time,” she says, “[it] gets really hard because not all minutes are equal depending on what you’re actually doing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She argues that doomscrolling and passively watching videos are different from the interactive activities that many teachers use to keep kids engaged.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A bipartisan push\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>LAUSD’s vote to limit screen time gave district administrators a June deadline to craft an official policy. The directive also seeks to roll out the new rules this fall in classrooms. Parents and teachers will not know the scope of those rules until sometime this summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The projected rollout in LA is fast but echoes other proposed legislation. In Utah, a \u003ca href=\"https://le.utah.gov/Session/2026/bills/static/HB0273.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">back-to-basics law to limit screen time\u003c/a> goes into effect on July 1 and gives the state board of education until the end of the calendar year to draft a new policy for schools, though when that will be enforced in classrooms is still unclear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re trying to help kids build healthier habits with technology,” Utah Gov. 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Parents can request practice problems if they’d like, Superintendent Jonathan Garrett said, but that work won’t be mandatory or graded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Homework assignments, it turned out, were among the biggest sources of complaints Garrett had heard from parents and students over the years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When there was a negative feeling about school, it usually stemmed from what kids are bringing home, the frustrations they feel completing that, and that parents and guardians feel trying to help them complete it,” he said in an interview.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Beyond that, Garrett said the move was driven by concerns – shared by many educators – that much of the homework students are assigned – especially in math – is needlessly repetitive, takes too long to complete and hasn’t adapted to the challenges posed by Artificial Intelligence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The response to Garrett’s announcement was swift — and overwhelmingly positive. The message is the district’s most “liked”\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1444965060964889&set=a.499624705498934\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> post on Facebook\u003c/a> by far this year, with hundreds of shares — many of them by parents from neighboring parishes asking how they could get their own schools on board.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The scope of the district’s no-homework guidance is new, but it follows a trend that educators and researchers have been noticing for years: More teachers are moving away from homework.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal survey data shows that the amount of math homework assigned to fourth and eighth grade students, in particular, has been steadily declining for the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some educators and parents say this is a good thing — students shouldn’t spend six or more hours a day at school and still have additional schoolwork to complete at home. 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The message is the district’s most “liked”\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1444965060964889&set=a.499624705498934\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> post on Facebook\u003c/a> by far this year, with hundreds of shares — many of them by parents from neighboring parishes asking how they could get their own schools on board.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The scope of the district’s no-homework guidance is new, but it follows a trend that educators and researchers have been noticing for years: More teachers are moving away from homework.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Federal survey data shows that the amount of math homework assigned to fourth and eighth grade students, in particular, has been steadily declining for the past decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some educators and parents say this is a good thing — students shouldn’t spend six or more hours a day at school and still have additional schoolwork to complete at home. 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That extra time doesn’t necessarily result in the struggling student performing better than the student who grasped the assignment more quickly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, just like playing the violin or hitting a baseball, or any other skill that requires training, there is evidence that students need practice to master academic subjects, particularly in math.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some experts worry the overall decrease in homework could be a problem for math achievement, at a time when\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/naep-test-2024-dismal-report/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> math scores across the country are already at a dismal low\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The best argument for homework is that mathematical procedures require practice, and you don’t want to waste classroom time on practice, so you send that home,” said Tom Loveless, a researcher and former teacher who has studied homework.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>The effects of AI on homework\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Generative artificial intelligence has added a new wrinkle to the homework debate, too. More than half of teens said they used chatbots to help with schoolwork, and\u003ca href=\"https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2026/02/24/how-teens-use-and-view-ai/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> 1 in 10 said they used virtual assistants\u003c/a> to do all or most of their schoolwork, according to a recent survey by Pew Research Center.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A different survey of teachers by the EdWeek Research Center found that 40 percent said homework assignments had decreased over the past two years, and of those, 29 percent said it was\u003ca href=\"https://www.edweek.org/leadership/are-schools-assigning-less-homework-a-new-survey-offers-answers/2026/02\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> because students’ use of AI had lessened the value of homework\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Between 1996 and 2015, very few fourth graders — between 4 and 6 percent — reported being given no math homework the previous night, according to surveys from the Nation’s Report Card. By 2024, that percentage was up to more than a quarter. There was a similar trend for eighth graders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ariel Taylor Smith, senior director of the Center for Policy and Action at the National Parents Union, a nonprofit that advocates for parents, has seen this trend in her own fourth grader’s public elementary school class in Vermont, whose teacher doesn’t assign homework.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The thing they point to is that it’s an equity issue, and not all parents have the same availability and ability to support their students,” said Smith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She believes, however, that students should do some homework without the help of their parents. “I would make the argument that if a kid is really far behind in school, that’s an equity issue. They need the additional time to practice.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith said she and her mother create their own homework now for her son: reading exercises and flash cards in math. 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