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Those proposals are coming in the fall, so we don’t know exactly what that’s gonna be, but there’s a lot you could do with that land. And council member Kari Birdseye talks about this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kari Bridseye: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:23] \u003c/em>Centrally located, we have two interstates, a rail line, a port. We have so much potential here and it’s my vision to have a very diverse set of businesses and developers come in and be part of our community on the 900 acres that Valero owns right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:53] \u003c/em>Coming up, why Valero’s departure from Benicia is more complicated than it sounds. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:07] \u003c/em>It does seem like there is a lot of planning and daydreaming about what that future could look like in Benicia. So when exactly is the Valero refinery closing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:20] \u003c/em>That’s unclear at this moment. They’ve stopped refining. There’s nothing coming out of those stacks. But because of the global fuel crisis and California’s own problem of tightening supply between Valero and the Phillips 66 refinery in Southern California that closed last year, California lost 20% of the fuel that’s refined in the state. So California is looking to make that up. As soon as Valero said they were gonna leave, Governor Newsom, the California Energy Commission did everything they could to get Valero to stay. They couldn’t convince them to keep refining, but they did get them to agree to use their facilities to import refined fuels, store it, and then disperse it, using their pipes to get it to other parts of the state. In a community meeting, the Valero refinery manager said they thinks they probably won’t be there longer than two years, but that was like the only indication of a timeframe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:33] \u003c/em>It sounds like parts of the refinery are still being used because of the fact that we still, as a state and a country and I guess a world, still rely very heavily on oil and gas and that this is sort of being also pushed by this global fuel crisis that you’re just talking about. But what does that mean for Benicia? What does that means for the city’s ability to really plan for its future?\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:03] \u003c/em>It makes it very difficult for them to plan. I mean, that’s all they can do at this point is say, well, let’s start planning. Let’s get investors in here. Let’s clean it up. There’s things they can now, like trying to figure out how much it’s gonna cost to clean it. But it really delays their ability to move forward with redevelopment, which is a big part of their financial plan. Having Valero stay in this capacity where they’re not refining. They’re not going to be paying the kind of taxes they were. They’re going to pay some small. So they’re not gonna be offering the benefit they used to, but they’re also gonna be kind of preventing the city from moving forward. And people there are understandably very concerned about that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christina Gilpin Hayes: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:50] \u003c/em>You know, it’s a catch-22. We might be better off, you know, environmentally, but not so much better off fiscally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:57] \u003c/em>And I talked to Christina Gilpin Hayes, she’s a resident, but she also serves on the city’s planning commission. She wasn’t like effusive, some people were really excited that Valera was leaving. She wasn’t one of those people. She’s like, look, we knew this was coming. And unfortunately, by them staying on like this, it really hamstrings the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Christina Gilpin Hayes: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:17] \u003c/em>It just prolongs what we need to happen, you know, either go or don’t, but if you continue to use it as a storage facility, it eliminates the ability for the city to move forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:34] \u003c/em>That’s not even to mention that all of this redevelopment will require a lot of money, I imagine. And we talked at the top about how California more broadly is sort of leading the way and transitioning away from oil and gas and that Benicia isn’t the first city to even try and do it, but it still seems like it’s easier said than done. So what help does exist for cities that are making this transition, Julie?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:07] \u003c/em>Well, one thing that the state has done, we’ll start with the positives, is that they have created this displaced oil and gas worker fund, which basically helps these workers that are being laid off at Valero transition into jobs that match their skill, their expertise, and also offer comparable wages in other industries. They’re also offering $25,000 grants to small businesses affected by the closure of Valero. That’s kind of what’s at the state level. Locally, there’s a lot more. One of the big things that Benicia is hoping to lean on is the Bay Area Air District. Our air regulator has started a new program. It’s taking fines against polluters like Valero and reinvesting those fines back into communities that were affected by emissions. They find Valero 82 million in 2024 for over a decade of excess emissions. And they’re making… 60 million of that available to Benicia and surrounding communities. Benicia’s not sure how much of that money they’re going to get awarded and they won’t know until the fall but they’re hoping to use that money to keep the city government afloat and keep services for the community consistent so that they can handle this transition and they’re pretty confident they’re gonna get a lot of support from the Air District.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:29] \u003c/em>Is it enough for cities and towns like Benicia? Like, how do Benicia residents and officials feel about the support that’s coming from the state and air regulators?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:40] \u003c/em>I think they feel pretty positive about what’s coming from the air regulators. At the state level, you know, they could use a lot more support.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Josh Sonnenfeld: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:49] \u003c/em>There’s a lot more that we can and should be doing at the same time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:52] \u003c/em>I talked to Josh Sonnenfeld with the UC Berkeley Labor Center, and he says most of the emphasis has been on how to show up the fuel supply and not nearly enough on how do we help these refinery towns actually transition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Josh Sonnenfeld: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:09] \u003c/em>For example, California is one of the biggest markets for clean energy products, right? Whether that’s solar panels, EVs, heat pumps. And we have an opportunity to actually build these products in California as well. And so how can we make sure that the inequities of the past century of putting low-income housing and people of color and immigrants next to refineries. That we’re actually undoing some of that damage with the new economy that we are trying to build.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:41] \u003c/em>He says, you know, the state should be doing both. They should be making sure that the fuel supply stays stable, but they could also be helping refinery towns by establishing a state office to facilitate and guide economic transitions, like which other states have done. And also he cited New York State, for example, created something called a tax revenue stabilization fund. It’s basically cash that the state provides to a refinery town to cope with the sudden drop and tax revenues.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Josh Sonnenfeld: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:11] \u003c/em>There is opportunity for us to develop something similar in California. But the key is, do it in a way where we’re really, we really need the feedback of local communities about how they wanna transition their economy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:24] \u003c/em>From my vantage point, I tried to find out what concretely they’re doing and I got just a lot of word salad. But, you know, other people in Benicia feel like they’re more involved in sort of the backroom discussions, feel that the state is with the town and will be helping more going forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:46] \u003c/em>Well, what do you think, Julie, it will take for Benicia to, in fact, become the poster child of a just transition?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:18:55] \u003c/em>It will take Valero’s departure, the final departure of Valero so that that land can be redeveloped. I really think that that’s the key to their future. I think it’s going to take more support from the state for displaced workers. And also just like Benicia on its own cannot create a new green economy. There’s a lot of effort regionally to create like these green economic zones, manufacturing zones for the green industry. It’s going take programs like that to provide a new identity for Benicia, a new economy. It takes ten years to decontaminate. Refinery site, according to state officials, you know, whose job is it is to do that. And that’s like probably a conservative number.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:44] \u003c/em>What’s your sense of how city leaders are feeling in Benicia? You think they’re hopeful about their future?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:51] \u003c/em>They are hopeful. I mean, it’s a really great community and it’s really politically active community. I mean in 2016, Valero wanted to bring in oil by rail and that really galvanized people. You know, I left that town hall feeling like a lot of other people probably did, which was like, yes, they can do it. I’ve since become a little more like, wait a minute, you know, they’re relying on a lot of aspects here that are tenuous. But they’re very driven and they have a lot of know-how and a lot chutzpah. Well, you have eight other refinery towns that are gonna be facing this, and having a blueprint that works is gonna make a big difference for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:41] \u003c/em>Well, Julie Small, thank you so much for joining me. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mario Giuliani: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:59] \u003c/em>There are eight other communities in California that are home to a refinery, and it’s only a matter of when those communities are gonna have to go through what Benicia’s going through.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:12] \u003c/em>Today, how Benicia is planning for a future without a refinery and why it’s easier said than done.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:26] \u003c/em>So Julie, as I understand it, some people have referred to Benicia as a potential poster child for what a quote unquote just transition could look like. First, what is a just transition for those who don’t know what that is? And when did you first hear that in reference to Benicia?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:49] \u003c/em>There’s a lot of definitions for just transition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:52] \u003c/em>Julie Small is a reporter for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:55] \u003c/em>In this case, a just transition is a city moving off its reliance on a fossil fuel industry in such a way that increases the healthiness of the community and the overall standard of living for the community. And it does so in such way that the economy is sustained and diversified and reinvested into clean renewable energies and industries. The first time I heard that term being applied to Benicia was at this February town hall meeting. A hundred people packed into the city library to hear from the city manager, Mario Giuliani.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mario Giuliani: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:43] \u003c/em>We have a great responsibility and honor to be the model community on how we transition\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:52] \u003c/em>He told them, you know, this is the plan for how we’re gonna make up for Valero’s departure. We are going to become that poster child for a just transition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Mario Giuliani: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:02] \u003c/em>How do you protect a community that is home to a refinery? And so you don’t decimate that community, but you allow them to springboard to something else. And I think that we’re well positioned to kind of write that playbook\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:19] \u003c/em>Big words there from the city manager. And also I feel like a really big task, right? Because for context, Benicia’s, as I understand it, entire local economy and city budget relies very heavily on Valero, right?\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:37] \u003c/em>I mean, we’re talking about 10% of the tax revenue that the city collects comes from the Valero refinery. And then there’s all the other industries in the area that build parts or provide services to the refineries. It’s also all the people in town, the restaurants, services leaning heavily on that income.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:02] \u003c/em>Can you actually remind us, Julie, why Valero is leaving Benicia in the first place?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:08] \u003c/em>The company says it’s leaving because demand for fossil fuel in California is declining, you know, with the rise of renewables and we’re, you know phasing out fossil fuel cars. We’re switching to electrical vehicles. At the same time, regulations on the oil industry are increasing in California as we’re trying to get a handle on controlling emissions and also controlling gas prices. Valero’s CEO has publicly complained about some recent bills that were passed in response to gas price spikes that would have penalized oil companies if they make excessive profits. You know, it’s important to emphasize that although Valero says that’s why they’re leaving, it is part of a trend we’re seeing across the country. Refineries are closing everywhere, so it’s not just unique to California, it not just because we have all these regulations. It’s that these are huge multinational global conglomerates that are maximizing their profit. If they can move their operations overseas where the labor’s cheaper and they have more demand, they’re gonna do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:22] \u003c/em>As I guess Benicia’s preparing for Valero to leave, I imagine there’s been a lot of thinking and talking about what the city would look like without it. So what could a just transition look like in a town like Benicia?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:39] \u003c/em>Well, they definitely want Venetia to be a cleaner town. They don’t want to have new industries come in that are polluting. So they’re looking to get away from this cycle of having to deal with emissions over decades and high asthma rates and high breast cancer rates. So looking for industries that, one, will diversify the economy, so they’re not so dependent on one big company, but also We’ll change the focus. We’ll be actually contributing to California’s goals to become carbon neutral.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kari Bridseye: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:12] \u003c/em>We’re in a very precarious moment right now, but I’m filled with hope because of what we have here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:20] \u003c/em>I talked to Kari Birdseye, city council member at Benicia, and she’s actually by trade an environmental scientist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kari Bridseye: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:28] \u003c/em>Anybody that knows me knows that I always talk about the opportunity for the Port of Benicia being involved in standing up the offshore wind industry in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julie Small: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:41] \u003c/em>So she’s really excited about the fact that the port in Benicia that is currently used by Valero to export pet coke, which is a byproduct of refining and polluting substance, using that instead as a place where you could manufacture and export parts for the nascent offshore wind industry in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kari Bridseye: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:05] \u003c/em>And to me, that’s the perfect scenario for a just transition away from fossil fuels. 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You talk about an affordability agenda.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:47] But one unintended consequence of this expansion is that hundreds of preschools around the state have closed since TK came on the scene. And that means fewer childcare options for California’s younger kids. Today, KQED reporter Daisy Nguyen explains why preschools are struggling and the ripple effects it could have on the entire child care ecosystem. Tell me about this preschool that you visited in Crockett. Where’d you go exactly and what does it look like?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:01:32] I visited Carquinez Garden School in Crockett. It’s a tiny little community in Contra Costa County just across the bridge, the Carquinez Bridge from Vallejo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:45] Where the C&H Sugar Factory is, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:01:48] That’s right. That’s what propelled that town. This school is right next to a regional park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Children \u003c/strong>[00:02:00] I’m Cally and Julia and I’m Micah. That’s all you need to know about them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:02:07] I visited the classroom where there were kids, a range of ages, I would say somewhere between two and four, who were playing with kinetic sand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Children \u003c/strong>[00:02:20] Did anybody take a nap today? Not me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:02:28] They were very chatty children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Children \u003c/strong>[00:02:33] I’m doing dinosaur cookies. Yum, that looks delicious. Are you gonna put it in the oven? Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:46] And what exactly is this place, the Carquinez Garden School, Daisy, who does it serve and why did you want to visit this school in particular?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:02:57] This is a preschool that serves children of a variety of age and they come from not only Crockett but just surrounding communities such as Benicia and Vallejo. It’s located in what’s called a child care desert where there are just too few options for child care to meet demand. It’s the only preschool in Crockett, first of all. And I heard that it was closing in June, so I wanted to go visit and see what it was all about and speak with the director of this school. Her name is Heather Posner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:03:38] I go home tired every day, but I’m never bored. And there’s at least one time during the day where I will laugh hysterically at something that has happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:03:47] Her philosophy is very much play-based. She has an extensive background in early childhood education. 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But what is exactly a community based preschool?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:04:44] Community-based preschools are run by private tuition-charging businesses or nonprofit organizations that get some public funding to provide subsidized child care. They could be based out of a church or a child care center or, yeah, you know, a physical school. They offer early learning and child care for kids who are under the age of five who aren’t old enough yet for school. They could serving both families who are able to pay tuition and families who receive subsidies and choose this type of setting for their children. Families in California have so many choices when it comes to childcare. I think for working families who want their children to be in a licensed setting, these types of preschools play an important role in the larger childcare ecosystem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:47] It sounds like this one school is serving quite a few different cities in this area of the Bay. But as you mentioned, it’s closing this summer and actually more and more preschools like the Carquinez Garden School are closing, right? Why is that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:06:09] There’s a new UC Berkeley study that’s found that in the years that California was expanding access to transitional kindergarten, a little less than 10% of these community-based preschools have closed. So TK is offered in public schools and it’s a free preschool program, essentially for four-year-olds. It’s something that for the first time this year, California offers it statewide for any child who turns four by September 1st, they’re eligible for a free year of pre-kindergarten. This past year, enrollment in TK increased by 20% statewide. It’s really been transformative, not only for school districts, but for families because it means they don’t have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars in preschool. As transitional kindergarten expanded across California, it’s offering a lot of opportunities for four-year-olds to go to enroll in public schools. But that means many of them are leaving these community-based centers. And as many of the leave, these community based centers are struggling financially to stay afloat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:07:35] I mean, we went from 30 kids two years ago to 20 kids last year to 10 this year. And that’s not viable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:07:46] For Heather, she said that each year, she just saw fewer and fewer students enrolling in her program because they depend on older children to help them offset the cost of the more expensive care of younger children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:08:06] It just is a relentless churn of trying to keep your ratios where they’re supposed to be and the learning and the experience of the children and families where you want it to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:51] Well, Daisy, I wanna talk about why this matters because I have to imagine for a lot of parents, it’s actually a huge relief to know that they now have this option to send their four-year-old to childcare, essentially for free. So why do these closures of these preschools matter, especially now that there’s this free, much less expensive option?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:09:16] So in California, what the UC Berkeley researchers found was that about 1,100 community-based preschools have closed their doors. And the closures of those 1,100 preschools, they were licensed to serve around 32,000 young kids. And, you know, the experts say that these closures will likely increase prices in California where California has some of the highest child care prices in the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:09:46] Because TK is only for four-year-olds. So that means all these other kids potentially still need childcare somewhere else outside of TK.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:09:59] That’s right. Community-based preschools that are losing four-year-olds to, whether it’s transitional kindergarten or any public programs for four- year-olds, like if they’re in a wealthier neighborhood, they’re able to raise their price and there will be families willing to pay that. But that may not be the case in lower income neighborhoods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Brown \u003c/strong>[00:10:19] So in New York City, they instituted Universal Pre-K. They did it very quickly, and I found that the whole decline in infant and toddler care at centers was in poorer areas of the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:10:36] Jessica Brown is an economist at the University of South Carolina, and she has studied the child care market.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Brown \u003c/strong>[00:10:44] In poorer areas of the city, they are not able to raise prices and stay open because the parents can’t afford those higher rates and so therefore they close or they choose not to open.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:10:54] In other states or municipalities that have experimented with offering universal preschool for four-year-olds, it causes a ripple effect in the child care industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Brown \u003c/strong>[00:11:13] There’s costs and benefits to all programs and we have to weigh those when deciding when to do them. The introduction of public pre-K for four-year-olds and TK in California, we do think that this is having an impact on the private child care market. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t do those programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:36] So what other options then do families have, especially families of younger kids?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:11:43] Lower-income families now are increasingly choosing unlicensed care. So they’re taking their vouchers, and they’re giving it to a family, friend, or neighbor to care for their children. Parents who, you know, they have the right to choose the form of care they want their children to be in. And with unlicensed care, what families gain is just a lot of flexibility. For licensed care, the reason why it’s considered high quality is because the provider has to follow a lot of rules. There is highly regulated industry, for example, in a community-based preschool or a child care center, you have to have at least one adult to supervise up to four babies. For example, there are high safety standards. They have to learn CPR, you know, all these things that the provider and educator are required to have to care for children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:51] It sounds like it’s not necessarily that parents no longer have any options at all as a result of more and more of these preschools closing, but it sounds like the idea is that, one, the options that remain are getting more expensive, and that because we just have this childcare system that is so patchwork, and where universal childcare is still not a thing. That families really just need all the options that they can get. 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That is disruptive for the kids who were really attached to this place and their teachers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:14:20] Like, I feel more disappointed about closing the school than sad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:14:25] For Heather, she’s just sad for what the community is losing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:14:30] I think that the thing that we lose beyond just the spots and the dollars and the jobs, right, there’s a lot of economic impact there. I just think the thing we lose is really the place where children can have that essential childhood. 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But what is exactly a community based preschool?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:04:44] Community-based preschools are run by private tuition-charging businesses or nonprofit organizations that get some public funding to provide subsidized child care. They could be based out of a church or a child care center or, yeah, you know, a physical school. They offer early learning and child care for kids who are under the age of five who aren’t old enough yet for school. They could serving both families who are able to pay tuition and families who receive subsidies and choose this type of setting for their children. Families in California have so many choices when it comes to childcare. I think for working families who want their children to be in a licensed setting, these types of preschools play an important role in the larger childcare ecosystem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:47] It sounds like this one school is serving quite a few different cities in this area of the Bay. But as you mentioned, it’s closing this summer and actually more and more preschools like the Carquinez Garden School are closing, right? Why is that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:06:09] There’s a new UC Berkeley study that’s found that in the years that California was expanding access to transitional kindergarten, a little less than 10% of these community-based preschools have closed. So TK is offered in public schools and it’s a free preschool program, essentially for four-year-olds. It’s something that for the first time this year, California offers it statewide for any child who turns four by September 1st, they’re eligible for a free year of pre-kindergarten. This past year, enrollment in TK increased by 20% statewide. It’s really been transformative, not only for school districts, but for families because it means they don’t have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars in preschool. As transitional kindergarten expanded across California, it’s offering a lot of opportunities for four-year-olds to go to enroll in public schools. But that means many of them are leaving these community-based centers. And as many of the leave, these community based centers are struggling financially to stay afloat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:07:35] I mean, we went from 30 kids two years ago to 20 kids last year to 10 this year. And that’s not viable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:07:46] For Heather, she said that each year, she just saw fewer and fewer students enrolling in her program because they depend on older children to help them offset the cost of the more expensive care of younger children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:08:06] It just is a relentless churn of trying to keep your ratios where they’re supposed to be and the learning and the experience of the children and families where you want it to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:08:51] Well, Daisy, I wanna talk about why this matters because I have to imagine for a lot of parents, it’s actually a huge relief to know that they now have this option to send their four-year-old to childcare, essentially for free. So why do these closures of these preschools matter, especially now that there’s this free, much less expensive option?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:09:16] So in California, what the UC Berkeley researchers found was that about 1,100 community-based preschools have closed their doors. And the closures of those 1,100 preschools, they were licensed to serve around 32,000 young kids. And, you know, the experts say that these closures will likely increase prices in California where California has some of the highest child care prices in the nation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:09:46] Because TK is only for four-year-olds. So that means all these other kids potentially still need childcare somewhere else outside of TK.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:09:59] That’s right. Community-based preschools that are losing four-year-olds to, whether it’s transitional kindergarten or any public programs for four- year-olds, like if they’re in a wealthier neighborhood, they’re able to raise their price and there will be families willing to pay that. But that may not be the case in lower income neighborhoods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Brown \u003c/strong>[00:10:19] So in New York City, they instituted Universal Pre-K. They did it very quickly, and I found that the whole decline in infant and toddler care at centers was in poorer areas of the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:10:36] Jessica Brown is an economist at the University of South Carolina, and she has studied the child care market.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Brown \u003c/strong>[00:10:44] In poorer areas of the city, they are not able to raise prices and stay open because the parents can’t afford those higher rates and so therefore they close or they choose not to open.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:10:54] In other states or municipalities that have experimented with offering universal preschool for four-year-olds, it causes a ripple effect in the child care industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Jessica Brown \u003c/strong>[00:11:13] There’s costs and benefits to all programs and we have to weigh those when deciding when to do them. The introduction of public pre-K for four-year-olds and TK in California, we do think that this is having an impact on the private child care market. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t do those programs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:36] So what other options then do families have, especially families of younger kids?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:11:43] Lower-income families now are increasingly choosing unlicensed care. So they’re taking their vouchers, and they’re giving it to a family, friend, or neighbor to care for their children. Parents who, you know, they have the right to choose the form of care they want their children to be in. And with unlicensed care, what families gain is just a lot of flexibility. For licensed care, the reason why it’s considered high quality is because the provider has to follow a lot of rules. There is highly regulated industry, for example, in a community-based preschool or a child care center, you have to have at least one adult to supervise up to four babies. For example, there are high safety standards. They have to learn CPR, you know, all these things that the provider and educator are required to have to care for children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:51] It sounds like it’s not necessarily that parents no longer have any options at all as a result of more and more of these preschools closing, but it sounds like the idea is that, one, the options that remain are getting more expensive, and that because we just have this childcare system that is so patchwork, and where universal childcare is still not a thing. That families really just need all the options that they can get. Yeah, absolutely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:13:27] I think the concern is that once these centers close, they probably will never reopen because it’s, as I mentioned, it’s such a regulated industry and that means for families, fewer options for licensed center bays or community preschool in their community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:13:48] That’s a perfect segue back to the Carquinez Garden School in Crockett, which, as you mentioned, is closing in June. It’s gotta be hitting her hard. What does she say about what it means for a community like Crockett to lose a school like the Carquinez Garden school?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:14:08] Some of the families with the younger children obviously have had to find another place for their children. That is disruptive for the kids who were really attached to this place and their teachers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:14:20] Like, I feel more disappointed about closing the school than sad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:14:25] For Heather, she’s just sad for what the community is losing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Posner \u003c/strong>[00:14:30] I think that the thing that we lose beyond just the spots and the dollars and the jobs, right, there’s a lot of economic impact there. I just think the thing we lose is really the place where children can have that essential childhood. I’m sad for the children, but I’m disappointed in the systems that we have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:15:04] Is there any help at all coming for these preschools, Daisy, especially at the state level?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:15:12] Lawmakers are aware that this is happening. Policymakers were hoping that as more four-year-olds shift to TK, that would open up space in preschools for three-year olds, and that some of these child care centers would pivot to serving infants and toddlers. And that hasn’t really borne out. A lot of these providers say it’s very difficult to shift to providing care for younger children because of the cost. And so now there’s talk in Sacramento about shifting some funding from Prop 98, which is a guarantees funding for public schools, shifting some of that to community-based organizations that provide subsidized preschool for younger kids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:16:06] My last question for you here, Daisy, it seems like the closure of these preschools is sort of an unintended consequence. But overall, I have to imagine that free childcare of any kind is needed, including the expansion of TK in California, and that a lot of parents really appreciate having that option. So what do you say to parents who are hearing this who love their TK?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daisy Nguyen \u003c/strong>[00:16:38] I think it’s a great opportunity. I’ve done a story a couple months ago in Mendocino County where I just saw what a difference it was making for the students in the classroom and how it transformed the culture even of the elementary school. So for families who chose TK, it’s relief. I think it’s just that we have to think about the larger child care ecosystem and for families with children who are younger than four, who are not yet eligible for TK, they got to be able to have options too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Workers at San Francisco International Airport who clean planes, handle baggage, and push wheelchairs told city supervisors at a recent hearing that they’re sleeping in their cars and surviving on rice and oatmeal. Now city supervisors say their labor fight for higher wages is on notice. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Links:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12082724/san-francisco-airport-labor-fight-hits-city-hall-this-week\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">San Francisco Airport Labor Fight Hits City Hall This Week\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC2970999248\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Episode Transcript\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:00] \u003c/em>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevara and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted. Last year, San Francisco International Airport was named one of the most beautiful airports in the world. And it’s true. For many, traveling through SFO is fast, comfortable, and an enjoyable experience. And that’s thanks to the thousands of workers who make it that way. But SFO is also the site of a major labor dispute.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jaime Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:35] \u003c/em>I’m a baggage handler. These companies that we work for, they know that the cost of living is so steep here, and yet they seem to believe that $22 an hour is enough, and it’s just frustrating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:47] \u003c/em>SFO workers who clean airplane cabins, handle baggage, work security, and push wheelchairs have been asking for higher wages for over a year, all while domestic airliners have seen record profits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Noyra Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:05] \u003c/em>Many of my co-workers, they sleep at the parking lot in their cars because they have two or three jobs, so they basically live at the airport, like living for the airport.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:15] \u003c/em>Today, KQED’s Azul Dahlstrom Ekman introduces us to the workers who make SFO go round and their fight for better wages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:33] \u003c/em>So Azul, you went to a San Francisco Board of Supervisors meeting last week. What was the mood and what was being discussed there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Board of Supervisors Meeting: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:42] \u003c/em>Good morning. This meeting will come to order. Welcome to the May 7th.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:47] \u003c/em>So this was a hearing basically called by the board of supervisors to hear about how labor negotiations are going on the stalled contract between subcontractors who provide essential passenger services at SFO and the unions that represent these workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Noyra Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:07] \u003c/em>Good morning, my name is Noyra. I am here representing my brothers and sisters of the International Airport of San Francisco. We are the workers that help millions of people travel safely to our city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:21] \u003c/em>People who work at SFO came to give testimony about how hard their lives are, how little they’re paid and how that affects their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Noyra Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:32] \u003c/em>We are earning poverty wages in a city that doesn’t match this cost of living. So today I am asking you to stand with us, investing your workers that make the city alive. Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:46] \u003c/em>So right now, on average, they’re paid around $22 to $24 an hour, and they’re asking for $30 an hour. Their contract expired in April of last year. They’ve been working under an extension. That extension expired this month. And the Board of Supervisors basically called this meeting to essentially call attention to these kind of stalled negotiations and I think put some pressure on both groups to come to a resolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:18] \u003c/em>And passenger service workers at SFO, who are we talking about exactly? What kind of work are we talkin’ about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:24] \u003c/em>Yeah, so these are really like the essential workers that keep the airport running. And they’re not the ones like flying the planes or doing aircraft control, but they’re cleaning terminals. They’re the people that meet you with a wheelchair if you need one when you get off the plane. Baggage handlers, chefs, you know, the people really are behind the passenger experience at SFO. So SEIU-USWW represents 2,000 airport workers who work in these roles. So. It’s a lot of people that are doing this work that’s keeping SFO running.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:57] \u003c/em>And you actually talked with some of these workers outside of this hearing. Who did you meet and what did they tell you about the work that they’re doing and how hard it is?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:10] \u003c/em>Yeah, well, I mean, imagine pushing a wheelchair for eight hours every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:14] \u003c/em>I need to work hard. I sacrifice health and safety of myself just to give a decent living with my family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:24] \u003c/em>I talked to Nestor Dolde, for instance. He is a 73 year old wheelchair agent who works 16 hours a day. He actually carries two jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:35] \u003c/em>I don’t sleep too much. I work 16 hours a day, I sleep only 4 hours and then come back to the airport to work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:44] \u003c/em>He starts work at 5.30 in the morning, finishes at 2.30. When he finishes at 2:30, he turns right around and starts another shift for another company. Gets off at 11.30, so working most of the day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:57] \u003c/em>I have a family of four. You have to pay rent for the house. You have the pay the food. You have a few else to very skyrocketing too because of living in the Bay Area. That’s why I need to work harder.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:19] \u003c/em>And he’s 73, you said?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:22] \u003c/em>He’s 73.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:22] \u003c/em>Wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:23] \u003c/em>And still working.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:25] \u003c/em>I felt disgusted because the minimum wage that we have here in San Francisco, we need more just to survive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:42] \u003c/em>Well, I wanna step back just a little bit, Azul, because I just am curious why airport worker pay is being discussed at a San Francisco Board of Supervisors meeting at all. Like, what does San Francisco Board of supervisors have to do with airport worker wages?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:59] \u003c/em>Yeah, there’s a few reasons. I mean, I think at a very general level, like the board of supervisors wants to see, especially at places like SFO, which are these kind of reflections of the city that there is fair negotiated contracts between organized labor and contractors. The other thing is that the current rate of pay at SFO was actually set by the board supervisors in 2000. So there is a history of the board of supervisors. Determining wages at SFO. It’s called the minimum compensation ordinance and it actually covers more than just airport workers, but it’s basically saying like people that work with the city and county of San Francisco are gonna get a minimum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:43] \u003c/em>So the San Francisco Board of Supervisors sets the minimum wage, but these workers are actually employed not by the city, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:53] \u003c/em>So these employees and these union members work for subcontractors. And these subcontractors are hired by the airlines to perform these vital services. SFO is kind of not a party to these negotiations at all. They’re involved in so much as that they negotiate leases with the airlines. So you can kind of think of it as a food chain. SFO was on top and they’re coming to agreements with the Airlines about like, you know, Delta. Here’s how much it is to rent a terminal at SFO. And then Delta takes that and then they subcontract out to these companies to provide the services and then the workers are sort of, you know, at the bottom of the food chain. And these are just sort of everyday Bay Area people. I mean, they’re people that are getting paid around $22 an hour. That’s the current wage. Basically blue collar workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:57] \u003c/em>I feel like I have noticed anytime I walk through SFO, there’s just like a lot of Filipino, immigrant SFO workers, I feel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:06] \u003c/em>Yeah, like Nestor Dolde. He’s a Filipino immigrant. At the Board of Supervisors meeting, these workers were characterized as sort of like, this is our immigrant working class who is fulfilling these roles at SFO.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:29] \u003c/em>Coming up, whether relief is on the horizon for SFO workers. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:41] \u003c/em>Well, let’s talk a little bit more about what these workers want. I mean, how much are they getting paid now and what are they asking for?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:49] \u003c/em>Right, so the contract that is covering these workers goes over things like health care, wages, time off.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Cam Roberts: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:56] \u003c/em>Some of the things we’re asking for are really basic things that any person who lives in the Bay Area would need.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:04] \u003c/em>Cam Roberts is the airport’s coordinator for SEIU-USWW, and she’s been at the negotiating table with these contractors. She basically said they’re asking for $30 an hour, sick time, more PTO.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Cam Roberts: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:17] \u003c/em>We’ve been at the bargaining table, we’ve met numerous times over the past year, they’ve responded to some of it but they have not given us a full economic package and they have not responded to our wages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:32] \u003c/em>Workers say that this wage that they’re currently paid is not even a survival wage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jaime Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:43] \u003c/em>I’m being paid like $22.75 an hour, something like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:49] \u003c/em>And tell me about like how does that wage affect your life?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jaime Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:56] \u003c/em>Well, it’s terrible, I mean, I don’t know how to even put it in words.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:03] \u003c/em>Jaime Gonzalez is a baggage handler at SFO. He’s been doing that for about two years. And he said, look, we should be getting paid $40 an hour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jaime Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:11] \u003c/em>It’s barely, barely covering the essentials. So basically, if I need some kind of emergency fund or if I have something I need to spend money on, I have to use my credit card. And then it’s like I dig myself in a credit card hole because what I’m being paid now is just barely covering my car insurance, car notes, rent, food.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:36] \u003c/em>You know, he’s a San Francisco native, grew up in Portrero Hill, shout out Portrero Hill. He said he had to move to a not so good neighborhood in East Oakland and he has a daughter and he’s feeling the stress of being a parent where he’s having to raise his daughter in a place that isn’t great according to him because he can’t afford it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jaime Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:56] \u003c/em>And that’s one of the main reasons why I’m fighting for $30 an hour so I can save up to put a down payment on a house in a nicer neighborhood where I can raise my daughter and where she can blossom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:12] \u003c/em>People are talking about sleeping on couches, working two or three jobs, sleeping in the parking lot in their cars in order to make ends meet. Global airline industry was projected to make $41 billion dollars in 2026. That projection was before the current jump in fuel prices, so we can hedge that a little bit. But I think for these workers, you know, they see that compared with their $22 an hour and think that, okay, these contractors can pony up a little more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:46] \u003c/em>Azul, these workers have been under negotiations with these companies for about a year now. What’s the holdup?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:53] \u003c/em>According to the union, these five subcontractors have basically not responded to the economic proposal, meaning they haven’t come back with sort of a counteroffer that says like, okay, you’re asking for 30, we’re gonna give you this. They have been sitting down at the table, there are negotiations ongoing, but they’re certainly not going fast for what the union wants or what the workers want. We reached out to all five of the subcontractors and they did not respond to requests for comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:26] \u003c/em>If the board of supervisors can decide how much these workers make, can’t the board of supervisors just sort of step in here and raise these workers’ wages?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:37] \u003c/em>Right, and I put that exact question to Supervisor Rafael Mandelman.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rafael Mandelman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:42] \u003c/em>It would be great for them to figure out a way to resolve this soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:46] \u003c/em>He said they would like to see a negotiated resolution, meaning they’d like to the union and the subcontractors that actually operate under a consolidated agreement. So it’s just one negotiation come to a resolution. But he said, we have legislated on wages at the airport in the past and we’re prepared to do it again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rafael Mandelman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:08] \u003c/em>It is just such a contrast between the evident wealth of that airport and the working conditions of the lowest wage workers at the airport and I think it’s good for the Board of Supervisors to weigh in to try and support them as they’re trying to raise their wages and get better benefits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:29] \u003c/em>What are the next steps from here? Azul, what’s the timeline? Especially for these workers who I imagine would love to see their wages up… now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:40] \u003c/em>Wage negotiations between unions and contractors are really not transparent. We don’t get a lot of updates. I did reach out to the union and ask if the hearing had brought any urgency to the negotiations. I didn’t get response. So I think we’ll just have to wait and see.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:05] \u003c/em>What do you think this story says about life in the Bay Area right now, especially for the sort of lower wage immigrant workers who make this institution really go round?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:14:18] \u003c/em>As a reporter, I go out and talk to people a lot and I was kind of having deja vu when I was talking to these workers where they’re like, the Bay area is so expensive and I don’t make enough money and it feels like I’m just hearing that a lot. You know, SFO is like this beautiful state of the art facility where you can have a robot serve you coffee and there’s a yoga room and like, you can choose between hot ambient and cold water for your refillable water bottle, you know? But at the same time, The people that are literally… Cleaning this airport, making it run, getting people to where they need to go are not being paid enough to get by in the Bay Area. The World Cup’s coming soon, you know, there’s gonna be this huge influx of visitors to the Bay Area and SFO is the first thing people see when they get to San Francisco. And so it’s kind of a reflection of both sides of the Bay area, right? Like this beautiful place that we live in and then also the intense struggles people are in just to survive here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:24] \u003c/em>Azul, thank you so much for joining me on the show. 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These companies that we work for, they know that the cost of living is so steep here, and yet they seem to believe that $22 an hour is enough, and it’s just frustrating.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:47] \u003c/em>SFO workers who clean airplane cabins, handle baggage, work security, and push wheelchairs have been asking for higher wages for over a year, all while domestic airliners have seen record profits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Noyra Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:05] \u003c/em>Many of my co-workers, they sleep at the parking lot in their cars because they have two or three jobs, so they basically live at the airport, like living for the airport.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:15] \u003c/em>Today, KQED’s Azul Dahlstrom Ekman introduces us to the workers who make SFO go round and their fight for better wages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:33] \u003c/em>So Azul, you went to a San Francisco Board of Supervisors meeting last week. What was the mood and what was being discussed there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Board of Supervisors Meeting: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:42] \u003c/em>Good morning. This meeting will come to order. Welcome to the May 7th.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:47] \u003c/em>So this was a hearing basically called by the board of supervisors to hear about how labor negotiations are going on the stalled contract between subcontractors who provide essential passenger services at SFO and the unions that represent these workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Noyra Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:07] \u003c/em>Good morning, my name is Noyra. I am here representing my brothers and sisters of the International Airport of San Francisco. We are the workers that help millions of people travel safely to our city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:21] \u003c/em>People who work at SFO came to give testimony about how hard their lives are, how little they’re paid and how that affects their lives.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Noyra Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:32] \u003c/em>We are earning poverty wages in a city that doesn’t match this cost of living. So today I am asking you to stand with us, investing your workers that make the city alive. Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:46] \u003c/em>So right now, on average, they’re paid around $22 to $24 an hour, and they’re asking for $30 an hour. Their contract expired in April of last year. They’ve been working under an extension. That extension expired this month. And the Board of Supervisors basically called this meeting to essentially call attention to these kind of stalled negotiations and I think put some pressure on both groups to come to a resolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:18] \u003c/em>And passenger service workers at SFO, who are we talking about exactly? What kind of work are we talkin’ about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:24] \u003c/em>Yeah, so these are really like the essential workers that keep the airport running. And they’re not the ones like flying the planes or doing aircraft control, but they’re cleaning terminals. They’re the people that meet you with a wheelchair if you need one when you get off the plane. Baggage handlers, chefs, you know, the people really are behind the passenger experience at SFO. So SEIU-USWW represents 2,000 airport workers who work in these roles. So. It’s a lot of people that are doing this work that’s keeping SFO running.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:57] \u003c/em>And you actually talked with some of these workers outside of this hearing. Who did you meet and what did they tell you about the work that they’re doing and how hard it is?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:10] \u003c/em>Yeah, well, I mean, imagine pushing a wheelchair for eight hours every day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:14] \u003c/em>I need to work hard. I sacrifice health and safety of myself just to give a decent living with my family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:24] \u003c/em>I talked to Nestor Dolde, for instance. He is a 73 year old wheelchair agent who works 16 hours a day. He actually carries two jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:35] \u003c/em>I don’t sleep too much. I work 16 hours a day, I sleep only 4 hours and then come back to the airport to work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:44] \u003c/em>He starts work at 5.30 in the morning, finishes at 2.30. When he finishes at 2:30, he turns right around and starts another shift for another company. Gets off at 11.30, so working most of the day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:57] \u003c/em>I have a family of four. You have to pay rent for the house. You have the pay the food. You have a few else to very skyrocketing too because of living in the Bay Area. That’s why I need to work harder.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:19] \u003c/em>And he’s 73, you said?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:22] \u003c/em>He’s 73.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:22] \u003c/em>Wow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:23] \u003c/em>And still working.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Nestor Dolde: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:25] \u003c/em>I felt disgusted because the minimum wage that we have here in San Francisco, we need more just to survive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:42] \u003c/em>Well, I wanna step back just a little bit, Azul, because I just am curious why airport worker pay is being discussed at a San Francisco Board of Supervisors meeting at all. Like, what does San Francisco Board of supervisors have to do with airport worker wages?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:59] \u003c/em>Yeah, there’s a few reasons. I mean, I think at a very general level, like the board of supervisors wants to see, especially at places like SFO, which are these kind of reflections of the city that there is fair negotiated contracts between organized labor and contractors. The other thing is that the current rate of pay at SFO was actually set by the board supervisors in 2000. So there is a history of the board of supervisors. Determining wages at SFO. It’s called the minimum compensation ordinance and it actually covers more than just airport workers, but it’s basically saying like people that work with the city and county of San Francisco are gonna get a minimum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:43] \u003c/em>So the San Francisco Board of Supervisors sets the minimum wage, but these workers are actually employed not by the city, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:53] \u003c/em>So these employees and these union members work for subcontractors. And these subcontractors are hired by the airlines to perform these vital services. SFO is kind of not a party to these negotiations at all. They’re involved in so much as that they negotiate leases with the airlines. So you can kind of think of it as a food chain. SFO was on top and they’re coming to agreements with the Airlines about like, you know, Delta. Here’s how much it is to rent a terminal at SFO. And then Delta takes that and then they subcontract out to these companies to provide the services and then the workers are sort of, you know, at the bottom of the food chain. And these are just sort of everyday Bay Area people. I mean, they’re people that are getting paid around $22 an hour. That’s the current wage. Basically blue collar workers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:57] \u003c/em>I feel like I have noticed anytime I walk through SFO, there’s just like a lot of Filipino, immigrant SFO workers, I feel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:06] \u003c/em>Yeah, like Nestor Dolde. He’s a Filipino immigrant. At the Board of Supervisors meeting, these workers were characterized as sort of like, this is our immigrant working class who is fulfilling these roles at SFO.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:29] \u003c/em>Coming up, whether relief is on the horizon for SFO workers. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:41] \u003c/em>Well, let’s talk a little bit more about what these workers want. I mean, how much are they getting paid now and what are they asking for?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:49] \u003c/em>Right, so the contract that is covering these workers goes over things like health care, wages, time off.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Cam Roberts: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:56] \u003c/em>Some of the things we’re asking for are really basic things that any person who lives in the Bay Area would need.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:04] \u003c/em>Cam Roberts is the airport’s coordinator for SEIU-USWW, and she’s been at the negotiating table with these contractors. She basically said they’re asking for $30 an hour, sick time, more PTO.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Cam Roberts: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:17] \u003c/em>We’ve been at the bargaining table, we’ve met numerous times over the past year, they’ve responded to some of it but they have not given us a full economic package and they have not responded to our wages.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:32] \u003c/em>Workers say that this wage that they’re currently paid is not even a survival wage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jaime Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:43] \u003c/em>I’m being paid like $22.75 an hour, something like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:49] \u003c/em>And tell me about like how does that wage affect your life?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Jaime Gonzalez: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:56] \u003c/em>Well, it’s terrible, I mean, I don’t know how to even put it in words.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Azul Dahlstrom-Eckman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:03] \u003c/em>Jaime Gonzalez is a baggage handler at SFO. 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I would expect a similar type of offensive approach of a team that really likes to shoot, but I think they might be a little bit more intentional about that shot selection. I think that will be really important for them. Their calling card is going to be defense and playing in these really tough gritty games.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:02] If you were to recommend for me, who would be the people that you think I should look out for this season? Like the big names and the big players to know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:05:12] Gabby Williams is their big free agent signing on the French national team. She comes from Seattle and there’s high expectations for her. She’s going to be like an integral part of the team.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Sports commentator \u003c/strong>[00:05:21] Gabby pokes it free. This is what Seattle does. They rip, and they run. And the score by Gabby Williams…\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:05:29] And then Kayla Thornton was the lone All-Star last year, and then she injured her knee, like, in a practice right after the All-star game. So she missed the entire second half of the year. But she’s healthy now and looking to have a full season and kind of like her comeback. And does she have the same kind of a year? Because in the first half of this season last year she was like a breakout player.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Sports commentator \u003c/strong>[00:05:48] Thought about the three, Thornton takes it and makes it. It’s great to see Kayla Thornton, knock one down\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:05:57] And then coming back, Veronica Burton, the league’s most improved player, starting point guard. She’s kind of like the de facto captain of the team. Natalie really trusts her on the court. 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As a head coach, how can you do that without spoiling anything on the road ahead?\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Natalie Nakase \u003c/strong>[00:06:57] We didn’t win last year.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Media \u003c/strong>[00:06:59] Oh, no, we should, well, maybe in the playoffs and whatnot.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Natalie Nakase \u003c/strong>[00:07:02] No, I’m… the momentum is to win it.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:07:04] That’s something that the players always say about her is she’s like always yelling and screaming and cursing, but like lovingly, they’ve really bought in. Last year she like called herself a psycho and like she kept swearing during the press conferences at the end of the year. It was really funny, but she notices like all the nuance, all the details, like she is so locked in on this as her job and her life. 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What is the mood like lately, especially heading into the second season.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:08:27] It’s interesting because like I said, the expectations just feel different, like they’re not going to sneak up on anyone anymore. And it’s been a little chaotic this preseason. Thursday morning, they announced the roster and Kate Martin gets waved and that created a bunch of shockwaves. Starting center Iliana Rupert is pregnant and that kind of came out of nowhere for them. So like it’s interesting, because they do have that core of the team of Williams and Burton and Hayes and Thornton. But it might look a little different than we thought even a week ago. So it’s, I think there’s a lot of anticipation to just like get to the basketball games.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:09:07] Well, stepping back just a little bit, Marissa, it’s been a year since the Valkyries came onto the scene. What do you think has changed in women’s sports just in the last year as a result of this team’s success?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:09:21] Well, the Valkyries are the first billion-dollar franchise in women’s sports history, so that’s pretty huge. There’s more expansion teams than the WNBA. Portland and Toronto are in the league now. Teams in Cleveland, Philadelphia, and Detroit are going to be coming in in the next few years. Connecticut’s moving to Houston next year, so like, the WNBA footprint is expanding and changing a little bit, so, that’s kind of worth keeping an eye on. But yeah, even in the Bay Area, like, there’s going to two women’s volleyball teams next year. In San Francisco in two different leagues. There’s a professional women’s baseball team. There’s women’s football team in the Golden State Storm that play in Oakland. The Bay Breakers, the rugby team that play Lodi. So like the footprint in the Bay Area and women’s sports is just expanding and growing and that audience is there for it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:09] You mentioned the value of the team going up. Does that mean that the players are also getting paid a lot more?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:10:15] Not specifically related to that, but they are because in the off season, the league had negotiations for its collective bargaining agreement. So the players union, um, and the league were negotiating for higher salaries and they got that. The super max deal, which is the highest contract a player could have went up from like 270,000 to over a million. The rookie deal went from being around 70,000, to 500,000. Um, so like. 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From everyone I know who’s like been to games as a fan, like it’s addictive. I know people who have never watched sports in their life who got season tickets after going to one game.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:49] So I’m hearing earbuds and prepared to keep my wallet open. Yeah, I would say so. Those, the food and beer costs there are quite significant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:00] Yeah, new hyperfixation incoming it sounds like. Marisa thank you so much for joining me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:12:06] Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted. Last year in their first season ever, the Golden State Valkyries exceeded all expectations. Not only were they good, but the vibes? Immaculate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:00:23] Yeah it’s gonna be loud, it’s going to be crowded. They sold out all of their games last year. You like legitimately get chills.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:32] This weekend, the Valkyries returned to the court for their first regular season game, and the expectations are high. Today, we talk with Valkyries beat reporter, Marissa Ingemi, about what to expect of the Valkyries in their second season and everything you need to know to get on the bandwagon if you haven’t already.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:06] The Valkyries have started their second season. This is, of course, after a massively successful first season. Can you remind us how successful that was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:01:18] So the Valkyries were the first WNBA team to ever make the playoffs in their expansion season, which was very unexpected. A lot of people projected the Valkyries to be the worst team in the league or like pretty close to it, so then midway through the season it became clear like oh, they might be a playoff team. That’s kind of crazy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Playoffs tape \u003c/strong>[00:01:39] Tough three, no good, and that’s it. Put an X next to their name. The Golden State Valkyries are off to the playoffs. First expansion franchise In WNBA history.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:01:51] They also sold out every game, like it was truly a phenomenon in a way that I don’t think any women’s sports franchise has ever really reached yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:03] I feel like another measurement of success and their success so far is just the vibes of Chase Center when you go to a Valkyries home game. I mean, how would you describe that feeling?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:02:16] Yeah, ballhalla is like something I’ve never experienced before. Last season I went to every WNBA arena and there were some that were like pretty special. Like Indiana would sell out or Seattle was pretty cool. New York would come close to selling out but just the way the fan base in the community has embraced the Valkyries is pretty special.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Sports commentator \u003c/strong>[00:02:42] What do you say to Ballhalla and the fans, Janelle? Thank you, guys!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:02:53] It’s so community-centered because the Valkyries have done such a great job of reaching women, reaching new sports fans, reaching the queer community. And it really does feel like a celebration of community at these games. The anonymous general manager’s poll on the WNBA that just came out, I think it was unanimous, almost, voted that the Valkyries had the best home field advantage in the WMBA. And I think that’s probably true, or home court advantage, I guess. It’s really special, it’s really unique.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:22] Fast forward to today, Marisa, how are you feeling about the Valkyries’ second season?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:03:29] Intrigued. It’s interesting because they’ve really harped on like continuity and they brought back a lot of their team from last year. Last year everyone was just kind of happy to be here for it to an extent it’s like oh there’s a WNBA team here now how awesome is that. Now it’s kind of like okay you guys have bought in to who you are and how last year went. That wasn’t a fluke. So now it’s, like, are you able to elevate? Do you make the playoffs again? Can you win a playoff game? And I think if they were to be stagnant or to regress that would be. 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I would expect a similar type of offensive approach of a team that really likes to shoot, but I think they might be a little bit more intentional about that shot selection. I think that will be really important for them. Their calling card is going to be defense and playing in these really tough gritty games.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:02] If you were to recommend for me, who would be the people that you think I should look out for this season? Like the big names and the big players to know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:05:12] Gabby Williams is their big free agent signing on the French national team. She comes from Seattle and there’s high expectations for her. She’s going to be like an integral part of the team.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Sports commentator \u003c/strong>[00:05:21] Gabby pokes it free. This is what Seattle does. They rip, and they run. And the score by Gabby Williams…\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:05:29] And then Kayla Thornton was the lone All-Star last year, and then she injured her knee, like, in a practice right after the All-star game. So she missed the entire second half of the year. But she’s healthy now and looking to have a full season and kind of like her comeback. And does she have the same kind of a year? Because in the first half of this season last year she was like a breakout player.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Sports commentator \u003c/strong>[00:05:48] Thought about the three, Thornton takes it and makes it. It’s great to see Kayla Thornton, knock one down\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:05:57] And then coming back, Veronica Burton, the league’s most improved player, starting point guard. She’s kind of like the de facto captain of the team. Natalie really trusts her on the court. She’s really the facilitator and she’s an excellent defensive player too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Sports commentator \u003c/strong>[00:06:11] Here comes the pick. Burton on Buecker’s, flips it up, and one!\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:24] And you mentioned Natalie, that’s Natalie Nakase, the head coach of the team, right? Yes. How would you describe Natalie Nakase’s personality as a coach and I guess the kind of tone that she sets for the team?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Marisa Ingemi \u003c/strong>[00:06:37] Yeah, she’s extremely fiery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>Media \u003c/strong>[00:06:41] And coach for you, you got the hard part out of the way with all the first from last year to bounce off of Megan’s question a little bit, but now comes the even more difficult part, keeping that momentum alive. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jurors and journalists are getting a peek into the world of OpenAI and its founding as two of the richest, most powerful men in tech duke it out in an Oakland federal courthouse. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Elon Musk claims that Sam Altman and other co-founders of OpenAI abandoned their founding promise to develop AI for the benefit of humanity. But does anyone here really have our best interests at heart? KQED’s Rachael Myrow takes us inside.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Links:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"list-style-type: none\">\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12081290/how-to-unscramble-an-omelet-in-silicon-valley-the-musk-v-altman-trial-that-will-try\">How to Unscramble an Omelet in Silicon Valley: The Musk v. 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Elon Musk is suing OpenAI and its CEO, Sam Altman. For abandoning their founding promise to develop AI for the benefit of humanity. And whether or not you actually believe any of them really had our best interests in mind, one thing is true, that the battle over who runs AI is all about ego and power.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ashley Ortiz: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:47] \u003c/em>No matter which side wins, the people are going to lose because they are not doing this actually for the benefit of humanity, it’s not about ethics, this is all about power plays within an unfettered, unregulated AI scheme.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:01] \u003c/em>Today, KQED’s Rachael Myrow takes us inside the OpenAI trial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:19] \u003c/em>It seems like you’re in a pretty dynamic scene right now, Rachael. Can you actually tell us where you are?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:26] \u003c/em>I’m outside the federal courthouse in Oakland where Musk v. Altman et al. Is playing out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:36] \u003c/em>Rachael Myrow is a senior editor at KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:41] \u003c/em>This plaza is right on the street so you hear the chirping every time somebody presses a button to cross the street. You hear garbage trucks rolling past. Inside the courtroom is presided over by Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers and it is packed every single day. Armies of lawyers of course but also journalists from across the country, even a couple from France. And some members of the public. I’d like to call this the hottest theater ticket in Silicon Valley. We got to see Elon Musk spend four days on the witness stand. Sam Altman is sitting just a few feet away in the defense section. These two men genuinely cannot stand each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:30] \u003c/em>And I understand, Rachel, that there’s not just folks inside of the courtroom for this trial, but also outside protesting as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:41] \u003c/em>Yes, on the very first day, actually when jury selection was taking place, protesters gathered in large numbers outside the courthouse on the plaza with some very pointed and colorful signs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Valerie Sizemore: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:57] \u003c/em>I used to be a software engineer, but have been unemployed by AI. So now I’m trying to make the resistance happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:06] \u003c/em>I talked to one protester, Valerie Sizemore of Berkeley, who kind of represented, I think, a lot of Bayarians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Valerie Sizemore: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:15] \u003c/em>I’m not here because I care about the outcome of this trial. I really don’t care. I hope it’s really expensive for someone and like hurts both companies as much as possible.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:27] \u003c/em>Yeah, and it’s, I guess, two-for-one for her to just be outside the courthouse protesting the both of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:34] \u003c/em>Exactly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:04:39] \u003c/em>Well, Rachael, I wanna step back a little bit and talk about this trial and just how we even got here. 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Musk and Altman found OpenAI as a nonprofit explicitly to develop artificial general intelligence safely and for the benefit of all humanity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Sam Altman: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:44] \u003c/em>You know, I think AI will probably, like most likely, sort of lead to the end of the world, but in the meantime, there will be great companies created with serious machine learning. I actually just agreed to fund a company that is not even really a company, sort of a semi-company, semi-nonprofit, doing AI safety research.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:04] \u003c/em>At some point shortly thereafter, it became clear to all parties involved, including Musk, that they needed to establish a for-profit arm as well in order to raise money to pay for things like computing power for this very energy-intensive computer software and also to bring in talent, to bring the best minds of the industry. 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But as OpenAI lawyers like to point out, Musk left OpenAI and then he launched his own AI venture, XAI, which is not a nonprofit and arguably does not operate for the benefit of humanity, for which it has been sued repeatedly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:50] \u003c/em>So it sounds like Elon Musk is basically saying they stole his charity, and Sam Altman is saying, ‘You chose to walk away.’\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:02] \u003c/em>Yeah. That’s it in a nutshell. There was this funny moment when Musk was on the witness stand. He looked at the jury and he said, quote, it’s not OK to steal a charity. And then he predicted that if Open AI wins this case, the face of charity law in America could be altered forever. At some point, the judge broke in and said, let’s remind the jury, you’re not a lawyer. She’s talking to Musk. And then he replied. I did take Law 101, which got a laugh out of most people in the court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:36] \u003c/em>Geez.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>\u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:39] \u003c/em>Rachael, what do we make of Sam Altman’s role in this? It sounds like Elon Musk is saying that Sam Altman lied to him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:46] \u003c/em>That is a very good question. I need to mention here that we have not seen Sam Altman take the stand in this trial yet. So Altman has not yet had the chance to make his case. Just a few weeks ago, we saw a comprehensive profile of Sam Altman in the New Yorker magazine talking to lots and lots of people that Sam Altmann is an inveterate liar, the kind of person who will tell you what you want to hear and then go back on it. We haven’t had the opportunity yet to really get into what his character was like during the early days of OpenAI, but pretty much everyone in that courtroom has read that article.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:47] \u003c/em>Coming up, what the OpenAI trial is really about. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:38] \u003c/em>I mean, Rachael, I gotta say, as I’m reading these stories about this case, it really just sounds like a fight between two of some of the richest billionaires in Silicon Valley over this company that they co-founded. But obviously, what’s at the center of it and what is at stake is this very powerful technology that even they seem to acknowledge has the potential to change the world. 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I mean I could go on, Ericka, because It’s 100% clear to us and the people building this software that there’s a race to the bottom going on from a moral perspective.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:30] \u003c/em>I do want to ask you this question, Rachel, because Elon Musk is saying in this trial that he is the one standing up for the public on AI. Rachel, is there someone working in the public interest when it comes to AI and holding AI companies accountable?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:53] \u003c/em>Well, you know, don’t we wish? He’d like to present himself as thinking pro-human first, but you know, he also created XAI and has reportedly personally directed his engineers to make XAI a manifestly unsafe product. The judge noted the irony out loud. She said to Musk’s attorneys at one point, It is ironic that your client, despite these risks, is creating a company in the exact same space. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:49] \u003c/em>I’m Ericka Cruz-Gavarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted. Inside a federal courthouse in downtown Oakland, in front of a judge and a jury of their peers, two of the most powerful men in the world are duking it out in court over whether OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, was built on a lie. Elon Musk is suing OpenAI and its CEO, Sam Altman. For abandoning their founding promise to develop AI for the benefit of humanity. 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Is playing out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:36] \u003c/em>Rachael Myrow is a senior editor at KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:41] \u003c/em>This plaza is right on the street so you hear the chirping every time somebody presses a button to cross the street. You hear garbage trucks rolling past. Inside the courtroom is presided over by Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers and it is packed every single day. Armies of lawyers of course but also journalists from across the country, even a couple from France. And some members of the public. I’d like to call this the hottest theater ticket in Silicon Valley. We got to see Elon Musk spend four days on the witness stand. Sam Altman is sitting just a few feet away in the defense section. These two men genuinely cannot stand each other.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:30] \u003c/em>And I understand, Rachel, that there’s not just folks inside of the courtroom for this trial, but also outside protesting as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:41] \u003c/em>Yes, on the very first day, actually when jury selection was taking place, protesters gathered in large numbers outside the courthouse on the plaza with some very pointed and colorful signs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Valerie Sizemore: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:57] \u003c/em>I used to be a software engineer, but have been unemployed by AI. 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Musk’s lawsuit is arguing that thereabouts Altman and other co-founders of OpenAI, because there were other people involved, betrayed the mission, that they were actually in it for the profit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Interviewer: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:45] \u003c/em>Open AI, I mean you seem somewhat frustrated with them. You were one of the big contributors early on?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Elon Musk: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:49] \u003c/em>The reason, I am the reason Open AI exists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:54] \u003c/em>So he wants more than his money back. He wants Altman and OpenAI’s co-founder and president, Greg Brockman, taken off the board. And he wants $130 billion, disgorged by the for-profit and handed over to the non-profit. The word charity, Ericka, doesn’t appear once in OpenAI’s founding blog post, but Musk keeps referring to OpenAI as a charity. But as OpenAI lawyers like to point out, Musk left OpenAI and then he launched his own AI venture, XAI, which is not a nonprofit and arguably does not operate for the benefit of humanity, for which it has been sued repeatedly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:50] \u003c/em>So it sounds like Elon Musk is basically saying they stole his charity, and Sam Altman is saying, ‘You chose to walk away.’\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:02] \u003c/em>Yeah. That’s it in a nutshell. There was this funny moment when Musk was on the witness stand. He looked at the jury and he said, quote, it’s not OK to steal a charity. And then he predicted that if Open AI wins this case, the face of charity law in America could be altered forever. At some point, the judge broke in and said, let’s remind the jury, you’re not a lawyer. She’s talking to Musk. And then he replied. 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And I wanna show the boys what there is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:06:07] And he feels like it’s more environmentally friendly too, because they’re just consuming less.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:13] I do wonder, though, as their kids grow older and, I mean, bigger, if there might be more pressure over time to find more space for their family and if that’s something they think about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:06:29] I think it’s something that he and his wife, they think about it, they revisit that idea, but I think for now it works.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Logan Truman \u003c/strong>[00:06:38] As we explored all these different options, nothing really felt right. 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They ended up finding a home in Redwood Heights in Oakland and it worked out really well for them because they found the house with space and a pool and great views of the city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aparna Simmons \u003c/strong>[00:08:53] Just really fell in love with it and like the cabinets and the green and all of that and like the pool obviously so yeah we just we really liked it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:09:01] And it all worked out really well, because around the time that they moved in, Aparna learned that she was pregnant. But the thing that I heard Aparna say is that, you know, she was like, we had to compromise on walkability.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aparna Simmons \u003c/strong>[00:09:17] The view is great, but I would probably prefer something more accessible, like Bart, something with like, yeah, coffee shops nearby, than even the view.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:09:28] You have to drive everywhere to get anywhere. And it’s okay because we have a lot of friends. But, you know, she was like, I can’t walk down to a little town square where there might be things happening. I have to ride there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aparna Simmons \u003c/strong>[00:09:43] When we were in Cole Valley, it was super close. We were able to walk wherever. But Laurel, that whole area in MacArthur is probably a 20-minute walk, but it’s hilly, so it takes longer. And it’s just a little bit too far to go quickly on a lunch break.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:10:00] Eventually, they’d like to look for another house, and when they do, walkability is going to be one of their top priorities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aparna Simmons \u003c/strong>[00:10:09] I realized like that is something we really want in our next place. Um, like there’s things here that we’re like, okay, this isn’t as important actually, and we prefer having it be like walkable instead. So I feel like we’re learning what we, what we like and don’t like, or like what we can live without and what we want permanently in the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:10:34] Like even after a person settles in a place, like walkability is something that they still want. Like so many people want walkability and the fact that it’s hard to find and that that’s an expensive feature is significant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:48] Yeah, kind of a luxury, it sounds like, for families. Totally, yeah. Coming up, why one family in the North Bay is spending nearly half of their income on housing. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:20] So, Adhiti, you just talked about two different families who it sounds like are making a lot of adjustments and compromises, but are still making it work here in the Bay Area. But what about families who are struggling to make it work? Did you talk to anyone?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:11:39] Yeah, I mean, I think that most of the families who I spoke to were struggling on some level to kind of just keep up with the high cost of living. But one family that kind of comes to mind is Kate Knuttel and her partner, Matt Quisenberry. They live in American Canyon with their four children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:12:00] Me and my partner have been together for, I think it’s gonna be 10 years this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:12:05] A few years ago, they were living in Vallejo. They were living in a two-bedroom, one-bathroom home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:12:15] And we really enjoyed it. Enjoyed Vallejo, but we did not enjoy the school district.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:12:23] Unfortunately, they didn’t feel like their kids could really play outside in the in the streets And what’s more is that Matt actually grew up in American Canyon, which is a city just north of Vallejo really and he has family here\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:12:38] So we’re like, let’s get them into, you know, the school that your dad volunteers at and does, you know, it was like, it’s very like family oriented.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:12:46] So when they were looking to move, this was in 2021, 2022, they considered buying a house. And what they find is that the mortgage is more expensive than what they would be paying in rent and what they could afford to pay in rent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:13:03] That mortgage with 20,000 down, like we were still looking at 35 to $4,000 a month. We were like, wow, yeah, actually we can’t afford that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:13:11] The interest rates go back up again, and then Kate learns that she’s pregnant with their fourth child. They end up moving to American Canyon, but into a rental. It’s a three bedroom, two bath. So now they’ve got a little bit more space, but it’s still really, really expensive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:13:33] It was like a Hail Mary. We were like, wow, it’s $3,000 a month we were paying. I think at the time maybe $2,100, maybe a little bit more for our spot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:13:47] They spend almost 50% of their income towards rent and living costs. They are spending more than they make, and they’re living in debt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:14:01] It’s expensive and we’ve gotten really good at balance transfer credit cards to kind of make it work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:14:10] They charge their expenses to 0% credit cards and pay them off as they go, but they are living paycheck to paycheck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:14:20] I mean, that’s so interesting. 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Part of the reason why they’re there in this situation is because their youngest daughter Chloe is too young to go to school, but she’s only three years old. So they have to pay for her daycare, but her day care is a thousand dollars a month. And that’s just to send her part time. So Kate has to stay home part of the week so she can take care of of her daughter. And then she can work the other part of the week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:15:33] So just kind of waiting for that to be done because hopefully that’ll bring back a couple of, you know, a couple thousand dollars back in our pocket.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:15:43] And she’s told me that, at times, it feels like she’s drowning.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kate Knuttel \u003c/strong>[00:15:51] And, you know, credit scores are still good. We’re good now, but life has gotten expensive. And so we’ve found ourselves like, oh, Chloe fractured her arm. Oh, you, we got into, you two, both of our cars need to be in the shop. Now we’re like back in debt again. You know, and that’s where we’re at now. It’s like, maybe we’d have a little more, you know spending money or saving money or money to put in our kids’ college funds, but instead we’re just slowly chipping away at debt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:16:20] And I think that that is a reality that a lot of Bay Area families live in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:16:27] Yeah, it sounds like there’s not a lot of room for error there, and I have to imagine not a lotta room either to be thinking about their ultimate dream, which was to buy a home. Exactly, exactly. I mean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:16:42] It’s actually really interesting because we see this in the data. 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We looked at moving back to Canada.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:53] So today, as part of KQED’s How We Get By series, we’ll meet three families with kids to hear about what they’re doing to make it in the Bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:01:15] I feel like this story really hits the nail on the head when it comes to affordability.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Adhiti Bandlamudi \u003c/strong>[00:01:32] Raising children is really, really expensive, but when you try to do so in one of the most expensive regions in the world, how does that happen? And I wanted to understand how parents were making it work. If you look at data over the past decade, it’s really interesting because the number of students enrolled in public schools in the Bay Area gradually goes down. But at the same time, if you look like the median home price, that ticks up. 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