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And what it tells us about what to expect in November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:58] Well, Guy, another day, another primary. I’m actually kind of curious if you have a sort of like election day or election week routine that you abide by.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:13] Have to do something outdoors during the day before the votes come in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:17] Nice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:19] Guy Marzorati is a politics and government correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:24] This year, I knew it was gonna be a long night, so I switched up a little bit and did a Vietnamese coffee late in the afternoon. Both days, both election day and the day after, I almost just took off and flew.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:35] Right. I was going to say that’s like jet fuel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:38] Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:44] Well, how did this election night compare to previous election nights and primaries, I guess, specifically?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:51] Right now I think we’re trending towards somewhere in the ballpark of 40% turnout, which doesn’t sound great, but actually for a governor primary in California is pretty good. You look back at the last few primaries we’ve had for governor, and the turnout has trended in the mid-30s to the low-30, sometimes even in the high 20% turnout. So getting to around 40% is really encouraging. Some of that probably has to do with the national environment. Democrats are the more motivated party across the country. California is a heavily democratic state, but you may have to attribute some of this. To the fact that there was a really competitive governor’s race that voters felt like they could make a real difference in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:38] Well, let’s get into the governor’s race, probably the biggest race in this primary for California voters. Lots of twists and turns in this race and an insane number of names on the ballot, but only the top two are advancing to November. So what do we know so far? Anything surprising in that race?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:03:58] Yeah, I think, you know, on this election night, uniquely in the governor’s race, we went in really not knowing like what combination of results would end up in the top two. We had three candidates most likely competing for two spots in the Governor’s election, Democrats Xavier Becerra and Tom Steyer and Republican Steve Hilton. But we went into Tuesday night not knowing, OK, which two of those three is going to make it into the top to any scenario seemed on the table. Democrat Xavier Becerra and Republican Steve Hilton right now are leading as the two candidates with Democrat Tom Steyer trailing. The question is, as more votes continue to be counted, can Tom Styer move into the top two?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:43] Are the results so far, surprising?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:04:45] Maybe not surprising from like a June 1st perspective, shocking from a April 1st, perspective. Like if you were to, you know, rip Van Winkle from April to election day to see Xavier Becerra who had been really far down in the polls for much of this campaign, have this whole resurgence after former Congress member Eric Swalwell dropped out of the race, would be surprising.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Xavier Becerra \u003c/strong>[00:05:10] Like my family, LA is the starting line for millions of success stories across this state. And here in Hollywood’s hometown, we love a good underdog story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:05:26] When Eric Swalwell dropped out, Becerra didn’t have any big California players behind him from an elected official standpoint. He didn’t any of the big unions endorsing him at that point. He didn’t have a ton of money at that time. It all really came together just in those few weeks after Swalwell got out of the race and kind of completely reshuffled the dynamics of this election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:50] And Republican Steve Hilton has been polling at the top for most of his campaign. What do you make of the race that he’s run and also how he would do in a November election?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:06:02] Yeah, Hilton was really able to consolidate support from California Republicans after he won the endorsement of President Donald Trump.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Steve Hilton \u003c/strong>[00:06:11] Obviously we’re very encouraged by these results, nothing is final yet, but it does look as if change is coming to California and that is good news for everyone, every small business, every working family, everyone who wants to see our state set back on track.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:06:27] Now, if he is able to make it into the top two in November, it’s a really difficult race for him. And that same endorsement of Trump’s that helped him win over Republicans is going to be a huge liability for him in a state where Trump is still very unpopular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:49] And I mean, in a race full of surprises, are we out of the woods yet with this one? Or is it still possible that, I don’t know, some other crazy thing happens in this race?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:07:02] Yeah, no, I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet as far as twists and turns. There is a possibility, I’m not sure how to put odds on this possibility, but there is a possibility that Tom Steyer gains vote share as ballots continue to be counted and creates a Democrat on Democrat general election. We’ll know a lot more on Friday night when many more counties are going to be reporting their results. Look, we’ve never had two Democrats in a general election for governor of California. That would be a race that is even hard to imagine how it would even play out between Becerra and Steyer, but it’s something that is still potentially on the table.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:50] Well, let’s zoom into some of the more local races, Guy, starting with the race to replace Nancy Pelosi in the House of Representatives. It looks like State Senator Scott Weiner and San Francisco Supervisor Connie Chan are advancing to the general election. Any surprises there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:08:09] Yeah, so in that race, we did see Scott Wiener, San Francisco State Senator, finish first in the primary as expected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Wiener \u003c/strong>[00:08:17] And we’re going to continue to build a massive coalition in every neighborhood of this city, every generation, every background, every community in the greatest city on planet Earth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:08:36] The real surprise, and I think we are all watching, what would be the outcome between second and third? We saw Connie Chan, a supervisor in San Francisco, finish second with, as of now, basically double the support of Shoikot Chakrabarti, who is a former advisor to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who’s sitting in third place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Connie Chan \u003c/strong>[00:08:55] This tonight is a start for many many people to see the billionaires all not just in San Francisco but across the nation we’re coming for you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:09:10] And I think you really have to go back to the endorsement from former speaker, Nancy Pelosi of Connie Chan late in this race back in May, at least according to the public poll we had from the San Francisco Chronicle, Scott Wiener was leading this primary by good margin. And then Connie Chan, the San Francisco supervisor and Chakrabarti were pretty neck and neck. At that point, Chakrabarti, you know, he was spending 8 million, 9 million dollars. And Connie Chan had this endorsement from Pelosi. And I compared to, remember like a few years ago, people were saying, would you rather have dinner with Jay-Z or $500,000? I think this was like the political version. Would you rather have $9 million to spend or an endorsement from Nancy Pelosi? And I think we found out the answer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:08] Coming up, how some local ballot measures are doing. By the way, if you appreciate these deep dives into Bay Area news, consider becoming a KQED member. We can’t do this work without your support, so join your Bay Area neighbors and become a member today. KQED.org/donate. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:37] I want to talk, Guy, about local tax measures. There seem to be several of these kinds of local tax measures around the Bay Area in cities that, as we know, have been really struggling with their budgets. So it looks like some of them are likely to pass and others seem to in trouble. I know you are following the hotel tax in San Jose, which seems likely to past. Can you remind us what that is meant to help fund?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:12:04] So measure A in San Jose, an increase in the hotel tax from 10% to 12%, that’s going to fund the city general fund. San Jose goes into a final vote on the city budget next week with a $50 million shortfall projected for the upcoming fiscal year. The budget balancing plan that the mayor Matt Mahan and city leaders have put together relies on measure a passing. They basically warned if this measure doesn’t pass, you’re going to see Sunday library hours cut. You’re going to see the downtown police foot patrol be eliminated. So really what measure a is, is doing is kind of helping the city stay afloat in a year where there is a budget shortfall and it looks like measure a will pass. And I think the fact that it’s a hotel tax paid by people who are coming to stay in San Jose, not maybe necessarily living in San Jose helped this measure politically.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:58] Yeah, very interesting because on the other hand, I know you were also following a parcel tax in Oakland that seems like it might not pass. Can you tell us about that one?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:13:10] Yeah, so this is Measure E, $192 a year parcel property tax that would raise about, you know, 35-ish million dollars a year. This was a billed really by Barbara Lee, City Unions, again, as a way to bring in money when the city is on kind of uncertain fiscal footing. Unlike Measure A in San Jose, there was like a campaign against Measure E in Oakland. You had realtors spend money. More moderate political groups spend money in order to defeat Measure E. And right now the initial results have the measure failing. Still a lot of votes to be counted. Traditionally, what we’ve seen in Alameda County is they count votes through Wednesday, through Thursday, through Friday. Then they post that result late Friday and it’s a lot votes. And you saw that in the mayor’s race when Barbara Lee won. She was trailing on election day all of a sudden a huge dump of votes on Friday, she wins the race, she’ll be hoping for something similar to happen with Measure E.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:14:15] So TBD there, but I mean, it’s interesting that there were a few other tax measures on the ballot across the Bay, Prop D, the overpaid CEO tax in San Francisco, Measure B in Contra Costa County, to help fund health care there in the wake of federal funding cuts to MediCal and Medicaid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:14:40] That one surprised me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:14:40] Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:14:41] That one really, that one in Contra Costa really surprised me because basically that was a copy and paste campaign from what we saw in Santa Clara in 2025, which was Trump and House Republicans passed these big cuts to Medicaid, what we call Medi-Cal in California. County health systems are going to be really hit by that. And so in Santa Clare County, they said, look, we need to punch back against Trump. We need to increase local sales tax in order to help hospitals. And you saw both in Contra Costa County and in LA County as well, basically the same campaigns. Let’s frame this as we took this big hit from Trump, let’s find a way to restore funding locally. And in both Contra Costa and LA, those measures are not doing well. What does that speak to? Is that diminishing appetite for those kinds of taxes, diminishing returns on that specific kind of message? There are clearly like intricacies in each of campaigns and how they were run. But that definitely surprised me. I thought that was a winning formula in Santa Clara that could be replicated and doesn’t seem to be the case in the East Bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:15:46] There’s also Prop D in San Francisco, the overpaid CEO tax, and it looks like that one is likely to fail as of right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:15:54] That’s right. And really what this would have done, San Francisco currently assesses a tax on companies where the difference in pay between the CEO and the median SF employee is a certain amount. This would have changed it to the median nationwide employee. And so that would have potentially increased the taxes on these companies. Again, back to this you know, playbook of, you know Trump enacted these harsh health care cuts, let’s find a way to raise tax revenue locally. That was the argument put forward by a lot of Business groups and particularly the mayor Daniel Lurie argued that this is not the time to be increasing taxes on businesses and voters, you know, clearly went with the argument that this was not the to pursue that kind of tax on SF businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:16:38] Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, is there anything you think we can say here about the general appetite from voters for more taxes? I mean I know this election in many ways was also about affordability in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:16:54] Say you could take away maybe some of awareness around increased taxes. We’ll have to, I think, take some time to see these results come in and kind of read through the tea leaves on tax measures. Clearly there will be a lot of eyes on this because statewide there are many proposals moving towards the November ballot that would ask voters to increase taxes. There’s the wealth tax on billionaires. It’s gotten a lot attention. There is an extension of California’s income tax that’s being pursued by teachers unions. So they’re all certainly paying attention to what’s happening in these local races to try to get a beat on whether this signals any kind of change in voter appetite around taxes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:17:35] Yeah, that’s right. I mean, uh, to remind folks, this is just a primary. We still have another election later this year in November. I mean what are you going to be watching for going forward guy and do any of these results say anything about maybe what we can expect in November?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:17:53] Yeah, you know, I think it does depend kind of locality to locality. Certainly in San Francisco, these results pretend a lot of momentum behind Lurie and specifically his November campaign. He’s going to go to the ballot in November and ask voters, can you increase taxes to pay for Muni? Can you pass these reforms on putting on the ballot to change how ballot measure campaigns run in San Francisco? And you look at the results in SF on, on Tuesday. They’re all coming up roses for Lurie. He had these two supervisors that he was supporting that appeared to have won their special elections. Then you combine that with the results on the tax measures in SF. And I think you have to think to some extent voters are getting signals from Lurie and following that lead. So I think that portends well for him in November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:18:49] Do we get a break now? Do you get a brake now that the primary is over? Is it just full speed ahead until November?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:18:57] No, the primary is not over. The vote counting will continue. The reason the vote count takes longer is we are a heavily vote-by-mail state where all the checks and all the security that’s in place to prevent voter fraud happens on the back end. It happens after you return your ballot. So it just adds a lot of time. But there will be more scrutiny because at the end of the day these counties are doing this without a ton of new money Without a ton a new machines and new space to count the ballots. So I think you’re going to continue to see that kind of Arguments push and pull is something wrong with our system Is it fine the way it is and are there things that could be done to both? 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:00:36] I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Donna Hemmila \u003c/strong>[00:00:47] This election was agonizing for me. I held my ballot back until like the very last minute, expecting something weird gonna happen at the last minute.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Chirag Hebbar \u003c/strong>[00:00:59] I think with both Gavin Newsom and Pelosi leaving, I think it’s a critical election, which is why I wanted to show up to the polls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Leslie Serrano \u003c/strong>[00:01:08] All the different lieutenant governor and, you know, superintendent and everything that we need to vote on, it’s all important.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:18] And now we wait for all the ballots to be counted after Tuesday’s primary election. California voters were asked to choose from a long list of candidates for governor and other statewide offices. And here in the Bay, we also voted on everything from congressional races to local ballot measures. Today, we’re gonna talk about what we know about the results of this primary so far. And what it tells us about what to expect in November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:01:58] Well, Guy, another day, another primary. I’m actually kind of curious if you have a sort of like election day or election week routine that you abide by.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:13] Have to do something outdoors during the day before the votes come in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:17] Nice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:19] Guy Marzorati is a politics and government correspondent for KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:24] This year, I knew it was gonna be a long night, so I switched up a little bit and did a Vietnamese coffee late in the afternoon. Both days, both election day and the day after, I almost just took off and flew.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:35] Right. I was going to say that’s like jet fuel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:38] Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:02:44] Well, how did this election night compare to previous election nights and primaries, I guess, specifically?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:02:51] Right now I think we’re trending towards somewhere in the ballpark of 40% turnout, which doesn’t sound great, but actually for a governor primary in California is pretty good. You look back at the last few primaries we’ve had for governor, and the turnout has trended in the mid-30s to the low-30, sometimes even in the high 20% turnout. So getting to around 40% is really encouraging. Some of that probably has to do with the national environment. Democrats are the more motivated party across the country. California is a heavily democratic state, but you may have to attribute some of this. To the fact that there was a really competitive governor’s race that voters felt like they could make a real difference in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:03:38] Well, let’s get into the governor’s race, probably the biggest race in this primary for California voters. Lots of twists and turns in this race and an insane number of names on the ballot, but only the top two are advancing to November. So what do we know so far? Anything surprising in that race?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:03:58] Yeah, I think, you know, on this election night, uniquely in the governor’s race, we went in really not knowing like what combination of results would end up in the top two. We had three candidates most likely competing for two spots in the Governor’s election, Democrats Xavier Becerra and Tom Steyer and Republican Steve Hilton. But we went into Tuesday night not knowing, OK, which two of those three is going to make it into the top to any scenario seemed on the table. Democrat Xavier Becerra and Republican Steve Hilton right now are leading as the two candidates with Democrat Tom Steyer trailing. The question is, as more votes continue to be counted, can Tom Styer move into the top two?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:04:43] Are the results so far, surprising?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:04:45] Maybe not surprising from like a June 1st perspective, shocking from a April 1st, perspective. Like if you were to, you know, rip Van Winkle from April to election day to see Xavier Becerra who had been really far down in the polls for much of this campaign, have this whole resurgence after former Congress member Eric Swalwell dropped out of the race, would be surprising.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Xavier Becerra \u003c/strong>[00:05:10] Like my family, LA is the starting line for millions of success stories across this state. And here in Hollywood’s hometown, we love a good underdog story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:05:26] When Eric Swalwell dropped out, Becerra didn’t have any big California players behind him from an elected official standpoint. He didn’t any of the big unions endorsing him at that point. He didn’t have a ton of money at that time. It all really came together just in those few weeks after Swalwell got out of the race and kind of completely reshuffled the dynamics of this election.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:05:50] And Republican Steve Hilton has been polling at the top for most of his campaign. What do you make of the race that he’s run and also how he would do in a November election?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:06:02] Yeah, Hilton was really able to consolidate support from California Republicans after he won the endorsement of President Donald Trump.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Steve Hilton \u003c/strong>[00:06:11] Obviously we’re very encouraged by these results, nothing is final yet, but it does look as if change is coming to California and that is good news for everyone, every small business, every working family, everyone who wants to see our state set back on track.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:06:27] Now, if he is able to make it into the top two in November, it’s a really difficult race for him. And that same endorsement of Trump’s that helped him win over Republicans is going to be a huge liability for him in a state where Trump is still very unpopular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:06:49] And I mean, in a race full of surprises, are we out of the woods yet with this one? Or is it still possible that, I don’t know, some other crazy thing happens in this race?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:07:02] Yeah, no, I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet as far as twists and turns. There is a possibility, I’m not sure how to put odds on this possibility, but there is a possibility that Tom Steyer gains vote share as ballots continue to be counted and creates a Democrat on Democrat general election. We’ll know a lot more on Friday night when many more counties are going to be reporting their results. Look, we’ve never had two Democrats in a general election for governor of California. That would be a race that is even hard to imagine how it would even play out between Becerra and Steyer, but it’s something that is still potentially on the table.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:07:50] Well, let’s zoom into some of the more local races, Guy, starting with the race to replace Nancy Pelosi in the House of Representatives. It looks like State Senator Scott Weiner and San Francisco Supervisor Connie Chan are advancing to the general election. Any surprises there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:08:09] Yeah, so in that race, we did see Scott Wiener, San Francisco State Senator, finish first in the primary as expected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Wiener \u003c/strong>[00:08:17] And we’re going to continue to build a massive coalition in every neighborhood of this city, every generation, every background, every community in the greatest city on planet Earth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:08:36] The real surprise, and I think we are all watching, what would be the outcome between second and third? We saw Connie Chan, a supervisor in San Francisco, finish second with, as of now, basically double the support of Shoikot Chakrabarti, who is a former advisor to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who’s sitting in third place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Connie Chan \u003c/strong>[00:08:55] This tonight is a start for many many people to see the billionaires all not just in San Francisco but across the nation we’re coming for you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:09:10] And I think you really have to go back to the endorsement from former speaker, Nancy Pelosi of Connie Chan late in this race back in May, at least according to the public poll we had from the San Francisco Chronicle, Scott Wiener was leading this primary by good margin. And then Connie Chan, the San Francisco supervisor and Chakrabarti were pretty neck and neck. At that point, Chakrabarti, you know, he was spending 8 million, 9 million dollars. And Connie Chan had this endorsement from Pelosi. And I compared to, remember like a few years ago, people were saying, would you rather have dinner with Jay-Z or $500,000? I think this was like the political version. Would you rather have $9 million to spend or an endorsement from Nancy Pelosi? And I think we found out the answer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:10:08] Coming up, how some local ballot measures are doing. By the way, if you appreciate these deep dives into Bay Area news, consider becoming a KQED member. We can’t do this work without your support, so join your Bay Area neighbors and become a member today. KQED.org/donate. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:11:37] I want to talk, Guy, about local tax measures. There seem to be several of these kinds of local tax measures around the Bay Area in cities that, as we know, have been really struggling with their budgets. So it looks like some of them are likely to pass and others seem to in trouble. I know you are following the hotel tax in San Jose, which seems likely to past. Can you remind us what that is meant to help fund?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:12:04] So measure A in San Jose, an increase in the hotel tax from 10% to 12%, that’s going to fund the city general fund. San Jose goes into a final vote on the city budget next week with a $50 million shortfall projected for the upcoming fiscal year. The budget balancing plan that the mayor Matt Mahan and city leaders have put together relies on measure a passing. They basically warned if this measure doesn’t pass, you’re going to see Sunday library hours cut. You’re going to see the downtown police foot patrol be eliminated. So really what measure a is, is doing is kind of helping the city stay afloat in a year where there is a budget shortfall and it looks like measure a will pass. And I think the fact that it’s a hotel tax paid by people who are coming to stay in San Jose, not maybe necessarily living in San Jose helped this measure politically.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:12:58] Yeah, very interesting because on the other hand, I know you were also following a parcel tax in Oakland that seems like it might not pass. Can you tell us about that one?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:13:10] Yeah, so this is Measure E, $192 a year parcel property tax that would raise about, you know, 35-ish million dollars a year. This was a billed really by Barbara Lee, City Unions, again, as a way to bring in money when the city is on kind of uncertain fiscal footing. Unlike Measure A in San Jose, there was like a campaign against Measure E in Oakland. You had realtors spend money. More moderate political groups spend money in order to defeat Measure E. And right now the initial results have the measure failing. Still a lot of votes to be counted. Traditionally, what we’ve seen in Alameda County is they count votes through Wednesday, through Thursday, through Friday. Then they post that result late Friday and it’s a lot votes. And you saw that in the mayor’s race when Barbara Lee won. She was trailing on election day all of a sudden a huge dump of votes on Friday, she wins the race, she’ll be hoping for something similar to happen with Measure E.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:14:15] So TBD there, but I mean, it’s interesting that there were a few other tax measures on the ballot across the Bay, Prop D, the overpaid CEO tax in San Francisco, Measure B in Contra Costa County, to help fund health care there in the wake of federal funding cuts to MediCal and Medicaid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:14:40] That one surprised me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:14:40] Yeah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:14:41] That one really, that one in Contra Costa really surprised me because basically that was a copy and paste campaign from what we saw in Santa Clara in 2025, which was Trump and House Republicans passed these big cuts to Medicaid, what we call Medi-Cal in California. County health systems are going to be really hit by that. And so in Santa Clare County, they said, look, we need to punch back against Trump. We need to increase local sales tax in order to help hospitals. And you saw both in Contra Costa County and in LA County as well, basically the same campaigns. Let’s frame this as we took this big hit from Trump, let’s find a way to restore funding locally. And in both Contra Costa and LA, those measures are not doing well. What does that speak to? Is that diminishing appetite for those kinds of taxes, diminishing returns on that specific kind of message? There are clearly like intricacies in each of campaigns and how they were run. But that definitely surprised me. I thought that was a winning formula in Santa Clara that could be replicated and doesn’t seem to be the case in the East Bay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:15:46] There’s also Prop D in San Francisco, the overpaid CEO tax, and it looks like that one is likely to fail as of right now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:15:54] That’s right. And really what this would have done, San Francisco currently assesses a tax on companies where the difference in pay between the CEO and the median SF employee is a certain amount. This would have changed it to the median nationwide employee. And so that would have potentially increased the taxes on these companies. Again, back to this you know, playbook of, you know Trump enacted these harsh health care cuts, let’s find a way to raise tax revenue locally. That was the argument put forward by a lot of Business groups and particularly the mayor Daniel Lurie argued that this is not the time to be increasing taxes on businesses and voters, you know, clearly went with the argument that this was not the to pursue that kind of tax on SF businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:16:38] Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, is there anything you think we can say here about the general appetite from voters for more taxes? I mean I know this election in many ways was also about affordability in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:16:54] Say you could take away maybe some of awareness around increased taxes. We’ll have to, I think, take some time to see these results come in and kind of read through the tea leaves on tax measures. Clearly there will be a lot of eyes on this because statewide there are many proposals moving towards the November ballot that would ask voters to increase taxes. There’s the wealth tax on billionaires. It’s gotten a lot attention. There is an extension of California’s income tax that’s being pursued by teachers unions. So they’re all certainly paying attention to what’s happening in these local races to try to get a beat on whether this signals any kind of change in voter appetite around taxes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:17:35] Yeah, that’s right. I mean, uh, to remind folks, this is just a primary. We still have another election later this year in November. I mean what are you going to be watching for going forward guy and do any of these results say anything about maybe what we can expect in November?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:17:53] Yeah, you know, I think it does depend kind of locality to locality. Certainly in San Francisco, these results pretend a lot of momentum behind Lurie and specifically his November campaign. He’s going to go to the ballot in November and ask voters, can you increase taxes to pay for Muni? Can you pass these reforms on putting on the ballot to change how ballot measure campaigns run in San Francisco? And you look at the results in SF on, on Tuesday. They’re all coming up roses for Lurie. He had these two supervisors that he was supporting that appeared to have won their special elections. Then you combine that with the results on the tax measures in SF. And I think you have to think to some extent voters are getting signals from Lurie and following that lead. So I think that portends well for him in November.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:18:49] Do we get a break now? Do you get a brake now that the primary is over? Is it just full speed ahead until November?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Marzorati \u003c/strong>[00:18:57] No, the primary is not over. The vote counting will continue. The reason the vote count takes longer is we are a heavily vote-by-mail state where all the checks and all the security that’s in place to prevent voter fraud happens on the back end. It happens after you return your ballot. So it just adds a lot of time. But there will be more scrutiny because at the end of the day these counties are doing this without a ton of new money Without a ton a new machines and new space to count the ballots. So I think you’re going to continue to see that kind of Arguments push and pull is something wrong with our system Is it fine the way it is and are there things that could be done to both? Ensure access and security and maybe also speed up the count.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra \u003c/strong>[00:19:44] I guess in the words of Lenny Kravitz, it ain’t over till it’s over. Guy, thank you so much as always. Appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jason Agan was a popular teacher at Angelo Rodriguez High School in Fairfield. But for years, students whispered about his behavior. He touched some of them in public in ways that made them uncomfortable, they said, including hugging students and massaging their shoulders. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In late 2019, after multiple written complaints and an administrative hearing, the school district fired Agan. But he never lost his teaching license, and went on to teach at two more schools in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Holly McDede, who reported this story for KQED and ProPublica’s Local Reporting Network, explains how a pattern of delays and a lack of transparency has allowed educators to continue teaching after school districts reported them to the state.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC1025625890\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Links:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12082980/california-fired-teacher-sexual-harassment\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He Was Fired for Sexually Harassing Students. California Allowed Him to Keep Teaching Anyway | KQED\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12084681/california-teacher-previously-fired-for-sexual-harassment-is-no-longer-in-the-classroom-after-new-complaints\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">California Teacher Previously Fired for Sexual Harassment Is No Longer in the Classroom After New Complaints | KQED\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Episode Transcript\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:00] \u003c/em>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Kylie Tatom was a sophomore at Rodriguez High School in Fairfield, she started getting involved in student leadership. She helped organize things like pep rallies and prom, and through that, she worked with a popular teacher named Jason Agan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kylie Tatom: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:28] \u003c/em>Everybody knew him. As a teacher, he was good. People would want to get on his good side. He was a very charismatic, like the cool teacher.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:41] \u003c/em>Agan had been on campus for years. He taught AP Calculus and ran student government. Some considered him a mentor, even a second father. But behind the scenes, some students also talked about how they felt uncomfortable around him. They say that Agan touched them in public in ways that felt inappropriate, including hugging students and massaging their shoulders unprompted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kylie Tatom: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:12] \u003c/em>As a kid, you don’t realize it’s bad, because it’s like, oh, this is a teacher, this is somebody that’s like supposed to be older than you that knows everything. Like that’s, like, you’re supposed to look up to\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:26] \u003c/em>Tatom graduated in 2017. The following year, on the heels of the Me Too movement, at least 11 other students and one parent submitted written complaints to school administrators about Agan’s behavior. And in 2019, Agan was fired by the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District. But even though Agan was fired for sexually harassing students, he kept his license to teach in California, and he would go on to teach at two other schools. Kris Corey was the Fairfield-Suisun superintendent at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kris Corey: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:11] \u003c/em>I was just so angry about it. What a disservice it was to those girls. I was flabbergasted. I was like, how does this happen?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:23] \u003c/em>According to reporting by KQED and ProPublica, Agan’s case is one of dozens where the state has not revoked the professional licenses of educators, even after school districts determined that they had sexually harassed students or committed other misconduct of a sexual nature. Today, how a Bay Area teacher was fired for sexually harassing students. And how California allowed him to keep teaching anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:59] \u003c/em>Your story starts with this teacher at my old high school, actually, Rodriguez High School in Fairfield. Mr. Jason Agan, and I remember him for being the teacher who led the student government. He was also the only teacher who taught AP calculus on campus, as I remember. But why did he become the focus of your reporting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:26] \u003c/em>What happened was I had requested records from 300 of the largest school districts in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:32] \u003c/em>Holly McDede is a reporter for KQED and ProPublica’s local reporting network.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:38] \u003c/em>I got these records from Fairfield-Suisun, which got my interest immediately because the records described how the school had taken steps to fire this teacher named Jason Agan who ultimately was fired.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So that got my attention immediately because it is very rare in California to fire teachers because it’s expensive, it’s also risky. So schools will often offer teachers settlements to allow them to resign instead. That way it’s a guarantee that the teacher won’t be back at your school. Whereas if you lose these dismissal cases, the teacher could end up back in the classroom all over again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Jason Agan had worked at Rodriguez High since 2001. He was there for almost the entirety of his teaching career. He called himself an “original Mustang” after the school’s mascot. And he was kind of this mathematician figure who you mentioned was in charge of leadership and student government. And so he describes himself as the man behind the curtain who organized things like pep rallies and prom. There were students who saw him as a mentor and a second father, and he was popular. But students had also talked for years about his behavior, making them uncomfortable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:04] \u003c/em>So, you spent time digging into these records on Jason Agan at Rodriguez High School. What exactly was he accused of?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:14] \u003c/em>The first documented complaint was by a student, a sophomore, who said that he took her cell phone out of her back pocket while she was sitting down. So she reported this to administration at the school, and she also told the school that Agan would massage students’ shoulders during class. So Agan is warned by an administrator at the school to stop touching students, that he’s making students uncomfortable by touching them when he walks around during class. That was the first complaint.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then a father complained to the school when he wears a t-shirt with a pi sign that spells out “pimp”. And so he’s warned by another administrator to be mindful about how he talks to students and jokes. And again, that administrator warns him to also not touch students during class, Agan has said that he would touch students during class but only to support them while they’re doing their math work. The next school year, more students end up filing complaints related to his behavior. There’s one student in particular who says that he had massaged her neck underneath her hair during class, so she complains about that. She asks to transfer out of his class. She ends up having a panic attack soon after that. Ultimately, the school puts him on leave without pay and starts the long process to fire him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:47] \u003c/em>And this is happening in and around 2018, sort of the height of the MeToo movement, right? And many of these complaints coming from young women at the high school, is that right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:02] \u003c/em>Yeah, this is soon after Me Too with the Harvey Weinstein allegations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:10] \u003c/em>He was my math teacher for my sophomore year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:16] \u003c/em>So I talked to Julia Steed and she was a sophomore, a 15 year old sophomore at the time. Now she’s 23.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:23] \u003c/em>I, to be honest, had already got in like, kind of like word of mouth, like, things from other students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:32] \u003c/em>She had complained about Jason Egan. She said he had touched her head multiple times, and that she also saw him massage students’ shoulders during class.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:40] \u003c/em>I immediately was like, oh no, this is not feel good coming from a teacher that I was not close with whatsoever. I was like okay, this was very odd to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:55] \u003c/em>She and her classmates were definitely talking about MeToo and just boundaries and consent and were less afraid to enforce those boundaries and speak up about behavior that was making them uncomfortable. And Julia was one of the students who also filed a written complaint\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:14] \u003c/em>I would have no desire whatsoever to do any of the actions that he did. Like, I don’t know, it’s like the older I get, the more messed up I realize it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:28] \u003c/em>What happens with these formal complaints that these students are filing, Holly? Like, what is the process from there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:36] \u003c/em>The school gathers all these complaints and moves to fire Agan, so they put him on leave without pay. Then that summer, so this is the summer of 2019, there is essentially a hearing. The superintendent of the school has recommended he be fired, but he objects to that. And in California, you can have a dismissal hearing, which means that Agan appoints a teacher, the school district appoints someone, and then there’s an administrative law judge. And so these three people here testimony from students, teachers, administrators, and then they have to make a decision whether to support the district’s effort to terminate him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:18] \u003c/em>And to be clear, this isn’t like a criminal trial. He’s not accused of a crime. And this is like a hearing, not a formal courtroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:27] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s correct. So Agan has not been accused of a crime. This is an administrative process to decide whether he can keep his job or not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:36] \u003c/em>But there are people on both testifying on behalf of Agan, presumably positively and also students testifying against him. What are people saying in this hearing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:49] \u003c/em>Yeah, so there were former students who testified on Agan’s behalf, and they all said that Agan would also squeeze, rub, or massage their shoulders, but they said that that behavior did not make them uncomfortable. I did speak to one student who testified on his behalf at the time, and she said that as an adult, she came to see that his behavior at the times was not appropriate, and tells me that now she would have switched to the other side. And then there were students who testified against him. They said that they would avoid raising their hand or speaking up in class, because they didn’t want to get his attention. There was a student who said she would try to sit against the wall, that way he could not massage her shoulders. And students who ultimately said that it was impacting their education and making them not want to take advanced math classes, because as you mentioned, she was the school’s AP calculus teacher.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:57] \u003c/em>What did this panel find and what ultimately were the consequences?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:02] \u003c/em>So the panel found that he had sexually harassed female students. They found he had massaged student shoulders during class. And they also found that he continued this behavior despite warnings to stop. In their judgment, their determination in the records, they ultimately say that he is unfit to teach and that he should be fired.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kris Corey: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:24] \u003c/em>The district did their case, the teacher was there. The students were remarkably brave. They testified with the teacher sitting there. 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How’d you do that?’ Because it just didn’t happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:12] \u003c/em>Well, I want to zoom out from this one example, Holly, because I guess until you published this story, he was actually still teaching at another school district here in the Bay Area and, in fact, went on to teach at two more schools after Rodriguez, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:30] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s correct. He’s fired December 2019 and by the next school year he already has a job teaching math at a middle school that’s about an hour away in Sacramento called Ephraim Williams College Prep. Even though he was fired he was able to keep his credential which allowed him to continue teaching.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:55] \u003c/em>Coming up, how Jason Agan kept on teaching. If you appreciate these deep dives into local Bay Area news, consider becoming a KQED member. We can’t do this work without your support. So join your Bay Area neighbors and become a KQED member today at kqed.org slash donate. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[00:13:25] \u003c/em>Welcome back to The Bay. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. In the first part of this episode, we learned about Jason Agan, a former teacher at Rodriguez High School in Fairfield. In late 2019, he was fired for sexually harassing students, but he still went on to teach at two more California schools. As reporter Holly McDede explains, despite Agan’s firing from Fairfield-Suisun, the state allowed him to keep his teaching credential.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:57] \u003c/em>One of the systems that is in place is this agency called the Commission on Teacher Credentialing, which is where any public school teacher who resigns or is fired due to misconduct is reported to this agency. And then that agency decides what to do with their license. So it’s the agency that can take away licenses from teachers. So Fairfield-Suisun, they report Agan to the Commission of Teacher Credentialing. They’re investigating, but they don’t make a determination on what to do with Agan’s case for nearly 500 days later. During that time, when Agan applies for this other job in Sacramento, that school and schools in general, they can’t learn from the state that it’s investigating. I mean, schools can ask the school that the teacher has left and in this case, Agan did put in his job application that he had been fired. He put that he has been accused of inappropriately touching students on the shoulders during class and he wrote that while he disagreed with the dismissal, he did not mean to make anyone feel unsafe and he was offering student support and encouragement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:16] \u003c/em>Administrators at Ephraim Williams did not respond to questions about how the school vetted Jason Agan. The former principal at Rodriguez High, the school Jason Agan was fired from, did not respond to questions about a reference check. We do know that Agan received stellar letters of recommendation from former colleagues. Meanwhile, in April, 2021, 500 days after the Fairfield-Suisun District sent their investigation to the state, California’s teacher licensing board finally made a decision. Jason Agan’s license would be suspended for just seven days. The reason for his suspension was not made public and ultimately Agan would continue teaching in Sacramento. But the complaints about his behavior didn’t go away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just so that I’m understanding, even if a teacher is fired for sexual harassment at a school, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they lose their credential in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:28] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s correct. So there’s no guarantee that teachers who are fired for sexual harassment will lose their teaching licenses. Instead, cases like that, that are not necessarily criminal conduct, they go before a committee within the state that reviews cases case by case and makes a determination. They make a recommendation, and this is a committee of about seven volunteers and so. They meet in Sacramento three days once a month, they review cases and they decide what to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:03] \u003c/em>So in this case, Agan goes on to get hired at another middle school in Sacramento. He has his credentials suspended for seven days, and presumably he’s still allowed to teach. What was his experience like teaching at this middle school?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:20] \u003c/em>Pretty early into the next school year, which is when students are going back to school for in-person learning, because this is all during the pandemic. So that fall, he ends up having another complaint from an eighth grader at his new school. That student had told her doctor during a routine physical that Agan had touched her lower back. She says she asked him to to stop, he went to the front of the classroom, and then he touched her shoulder. And she says in the records that it felt like asking him to stop didn’t matter. So he gets a written warning, is told that he should not be touching students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And Agan, in his response to that in the record, he does deny touching her lower back and says that he would have remembered doing so based on his previous experience. Agan continues teaching at that school. The student, she told me that the rest of the school year was so difficult, she ends up leaving middle school before the school-year ends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Agan, he resigns by August, 2022. He ends up teaching at Clifford School in Redwood City. When Agan is hired at Redwood city, he does not put in his application that he had been fired. He said he left Rodriguez High because he was seeking new challenges and opportunities. Um, and I talked to the deputy superintendent at Redwood city, um, school district, Wendy Kelly, and she, she wouldn’t answer any questions related to his hiring, but she told me that the school district, they conduct reference checks and they also check credentialing statuses with the state’s teacher licensing agency. And she told me that schools rely on that agency to determine who’s fit to be in a classroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And by the time Redwood City had hired Agan, he has a teaching license. He’s deemed by the state fit to work in any school in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:29] \u003c/em>How many examples like Jason Agan are there, do we know?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:33] \u003c/em>It is hard to quantify, but in putting in all these record requests from schools I did find at least 67 examples, including Agan’s case, of educators where the state has not revoked their licenses after a school district determined they had sexually harassed students or committed other types of sexual misconduct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:02] \u003c/em>It seems like for students and school communities in the meantime, that means we’re sort of left with this less than transparent system. I guess, how would you sum up the problems with this system and your takeaways from your reporting about how this system works?\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:21] \u003c/em>I think there are a few issues that I found through my reporting. I mean, there is this issue of delay. I mean in this case, it took nearly 500 days for the agency to make a determination. And once there was the seven-day suspension, you can’t see the reason behind it. Whereas in at least 12 other states around the country, when teachers, educators are disciplined, you can see the reason for the discipline. And then, I mean, then there is the question of why a seven-day suspension after a school found sexual harassment. So I think that it’s just hard to understand how the agency makes these decisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alicia DeRollo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:03] \u003c/em>There should be a higher level of transparency. We should have expectations, we should have guidelines, we should have rules by which we lead our profession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:12] \u003c/em>So I talked to a former commissioner who had left by the time the Agan decision came down, but her name is Alicia DeRollo. For her, the big problem or shortcoming she sees is that she feels like teachers are treated differently than other professions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alicia DeRollo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:29] \u003c/em>We cannot be given a license to have responsibility over children that we could potentially harm. We can’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:40] \u003c/em>For her, it doesn’t make sense and is not good that there isn’t this higher level of transparency. I mean, she thinks that if there’s this level of transparency where you can find out of why a dentist is disciplined, then the people who work in classrooms, you should be able access this basic information.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alicia DeRollo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:22:02] \u003c/em>Transparency would make it clear to teachers what they can’t get away with, would make clear to hiring agencies of what the person has done, and would set some higher standards for what we allow in the teaching profession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:22:26] \u003c/em>Has Jason Agan commented on this story or for this story at all?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:22:31] \u003c/em>No. So I sent Jason Agan a certified letter with a list of questions. I went outside his apartment and a person at his apartment answered when I rang the buzzer and then hung up. So, I haven’t been able to get in touch with Jason Agan, but in previous statements in the records, he has denied massaging students’ shoulders. He has said that he had no sexual motivation in touching students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:23:01] \u003c/em>What about anyone from the state credentialing agency? Did anyone comment on how someone like Agan has continued to be able to teach at other schools after what happened at Rodriguez?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:23:16] \u003c/em>A spokesperson said that the state’s credentialing agency is not in charge of deciding what type of offenses lead to mandatory revocation. So it would need to be lawmakers who would decide, say, for example, that sexual harassment of students should lead to revoking licenses. But the teacher licensing agency isn’t responsible for that. And they have said that they stand ready to implement any changes that the legislature wants to put forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:23:53] \u003c/em>And as I understand it, Holly, there’s been some additional fallout since your story was published. What has been the impact since you published your story?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:24:04] \u003c/em>The impact was pretty immediate, which I think shows what information and public knowledge can do. So in the hours after the story published, some parents went to Clifford School and pulled their kids out of the school during the day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:24:21] \u003c/em>That’s the school that Agan was teaching at in Redwood City, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:24:24] \u003c/em>Yes. Parents went to the board meeting the next day. A parent there said he had filed a Title IX complaint against Agan, but he declined to talk to me about the specifics. Title IX is the federal law that prohibits sex-based discrimination and harassment in schools. I talked to another parent who also filed a complaint against Agan. He said his child reported seeing Agan touch students’ shoulders and yell during class. Agan has been replaced by a substitute and he’s no longer teaching at Clifford the rest of the school year. He didn’t respond to requests for comment about the new complaints.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:25:01] \u003c/em>What are your takeaways from your reporting on this system and on this specific case?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:25:08] \u003c/em>This was an example worth reporting on because this teacher is not criminally accused of misconduct, but it was pretty clear in talking to students that he had made them uncomfortable over the years and it was impacting their education. There were students I talked to who at the time they tried to ignore it or looked away or didn’t say anything and regretted it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so they rely on. I mean, adults, administrators to do the right thing to protect them, but this case shows that a school can fire a teacher, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they won’t go and teach somewhere else.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Students had talked among themselves about his behavior, making them uncomfortable, and some of the students I talked to didn’t necessarily think anything of it at the time, but then when they had left that experience, when they’d gone to college and when they were talking to other people, they started to see that that behavior at the time was not normal. And there were students I talked to who said that’s why they wanted to talk to me now, because they regretted not saying something sooner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schools have these policies in place that you should not touch students and things like that, but there were students I talked to who wish they had called it out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:26:36] \u003c/em>Well Holly, thank you so much for your reporting and for sharing it with us on the show. Appreciate it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:26:41] \u003c/em>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">KQED and ProPublica will continue reporting on how California handles cases of alleged teacher misconduct. We need your help to get the full picture, and we want to hear from you. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Jason Agan was a popular teacher at Angelo Rodriguez High School in Fairfield. But for years, students whispered about his behavior. He touched some of them in public in ways that made them uncomfortable, they said, including hugging students and massaging their shoulders. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In late 2019, after multiple written complaints and an administrative hearing, the school district fired Agan. But he never lost his teaching license, and went on to teach at two more schools in California.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Holly McDede, who reported this story for KQED and ProPublica’s Local Reporting Network, explains how a pattern of delays and a lack of transparency has allowed educators to continue teaching after school districts reported them to the state.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm?e=KQINC1025625890\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Links:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12082980/california-fired-teacher-sexual-harassment\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He Was Fired for Sexually Harassing Students. California Allowed Him to Keep Teaching Anyway | KQED\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12084681/california-teacher-previously-fired-for-sexual-harassment-is-no-longer-in-the-classroom-after-new-complaints\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">California Teacher Previously Fired for Sexual Harassment Is No Longer in the Classroom After New Complaints | KQED\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>Episode Transcript\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:00] \u003c/em>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to The Bay, local news to keep you rooted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Kylie Tatom was a sophomore at Rodriguez High School in Fairfield, she started getting involved in student leadership. She helped organize things like pep rallies and prom, and through that, she worked with a popular teacher named Jason Agan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kylie Tatom: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:28] \u003c/em>Everybody knew him. As a teacher, he was good. People would want to get on his good side. He was a very charismatic, like the cool teacher.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:00:41] \u003c/em>Agan had been on campus for years. He taught AP Calculus and ran student government. Some considered him a mentor, even a second father. But behind the scenes, some students also talked about how they felt uncomfortable around him. They say that Agan touched them in public in ways that felt inappropriate, including hugging students and massaging their shoulders unprompted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kylie Tatom: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:12] \u003c/em>As a kid, you don’t realize it’s bad, because it’s like, oh, this is a teacher, this is somebody that’s like supposed to be older than you that knows everything. Like that’s, like, you’re supposed to look up to\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:01:26] \u003c/em>Tatom graduated in 2017. The following year, on the heels of the Me Too movement, at least 11 other students and one parent submitted written complaints to school administrators about Agan’s behavior. And in 2019, Agan was fired by the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District. But even though Agan was fired for sexually harassing students, he kept his license to teach in California, and he would go on to teach at two other schools. Kris Corey was the Fairfield-Suisun superintendent at the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kris Corey: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:11] \u003c/em>I was just so angry about it. What a disservice it was to those girls. I was flabbergasted. I was like, how does this happen?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:23] \u003c/em>According to reporting by KQED and ProPublica, Agan’s case is one of dozens where the state has not revoked the professional licenses of educators, even after school districts determined that they had sexually harassed students or committed other misconduct of a sexual nature. Today, how a Bay Area teacher was fired for sexually harassing students. And how California allowed him to keep teaching anyway.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:02:59] \u003c/em>Your story starts with this teacher at my old high school, actually, Rodriguez High School in Fairfield. Mr. Jason Agan, and I remember him for being the teacher who led the student government. He was also the only teacher who taught AP calculus on campus, as I remember. But why did he become the focus of your reporting?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:26] \u003c/em>What happened was I had requested records from 300 of the largest school districts in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:32] \u003c/em>Holly McDede is a reporter for KQED and ProPublica’s local reporting network.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:03:38] \u003c/em>I got these records from Fairfield-Suisun, which got my interest immediately because the records described how the school had taken steps to fire this teacher named Jason Agan who ultimately was fired.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So that got my attention immediately because it is very rare in California to fire teachers because it’s expensive, it’s also risky. So schools will often offer teachers settlements to allow them to resign instead. That way it’s a guarantee that the teacher won’t be back at your school. Whereas if you lose these dismissal cases, the teacher could end up back in the classroom all over again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Jason Agan had worked at Rodriguez High since 2001. He was there for almost the entirety of his teaching career. He called himself an “original Mustang” after the school’s mascot. And he was kind of this mathematician figure who you mentioned was in charge of leadership and student government. And so he describes himself as the man behind the curtain who organized things like pep rallies and prom. There were students who saw him as a mentor and a second father, and he was popular. But students had also talked for years about his behavior, making them uncomfortable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:04] \u003c/em>So, you spent time digging into these records on Jason Agan at Rodriguez High School. What exactly was he accused of?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:05:14] \u003c/em>The first documented complaint was by a student, a sophomore, who said that he took her cell phone out of her back pocket while she was sitting down. So she reported this to administration at the school, and she also told the school that Agan would massage students’ shoulders during class. So Agan is warned by an administrator at the school to stop touching students, that he’s making students uncomfortable by touching them when he walks around during class. That was the first complaint.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then a father complained to the school when he wears a t-shirt with a pi sign that spells out “pimp”. And so he’s warned by another administrator to be mindful about how he talks to students and jokes. And again, that administrator warns him to also not touch students during class, Agan has said that he would touch students during class but only to support them while they’re doing their math work. The next school year, more students end up filing complaints related to his behavior. There’s one student in particular who says that he had massaged her neck underneath her hair during class, so she complains about that. She asks to transfer out of his class. She ends up having a panic attack soon after that. Ultimately, the school puts him on leave without pay and starts the long process to fire him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:06:47] \u003c/em>And this is happening in and around 2018, sort of the height of the MeToo movement, right? And many of these complaints coming from young women at the high school, is that right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:02] \u003c/em>Yeah, this is soon after Me Too with the Harvey Weinstein allegations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:10] \u003c/em>He was my math teacher for my sophomore year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:16] \u003c/em>So I talked to Julia Steed and she was a sophomore, a 15 year old sophomore at the time. Now she’s 23.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:23] \u003c/em>I, to be honest, had already got in like, kind of like word of mouth, like, things from other students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:32] \u003c/em>She had complained about Jason Egan. She said he had touched her head multiple times, and that she also saw him massage students’ shoulders during class.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:40] \u003c/em>I immediately was like, oh no, this is not feel good coming from a teacher that I was not close with whatsoever. I was like okay, this was very odd to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:07:55] \u003c/em>She and her classmates were definitely talking about MeToo and just boundaries and consent and were less afraid to enforce those boundaries and speak up about behavior that was making them uncomfortable. And Julia was one of the students who also filed a written complaint\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Julia Steed: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:14] \u003c/em>I would have no desire whatsoever to do any of the actions that he did. Like, I don’t know, it’s like the older I get, the more messed up I realize it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:28] \u003c/em>What happens with these formal complaints that these students are filing, Holly? Like, what is the process from there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:08:36] \u003c/em>The school gathers all these complaints and moves to fire Agan, so they put him on leave without pay. Then that summer, so this is the summer of 2019, there is essentially a hearing. The superintendent of the school has recommended he be fired, but he objects to that. And in California, you can have a dismissal hearing, which means that Agan appoints a teacher, the school district appoints someone, and then there’s an administrative law judge. And so these three people here testimony from students, teachers, administrators, and then they have to make a decision whether to support the district’s effort to terminate him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:18] \u003c/em>And to be clear, this isn’t like a criminal trial. He’s not accused of a crime. And this is like a hearing, not a formal courtroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:27] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s correct. So Agan has not been accused of a crime. This is an administrative process to decide whether he can keep his job or not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:36] \u003c/em>But there are people on both testifying on behalf of Agan, presumably positively and also students testifying against him. What are people saying in this hearing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:09:49] \u003c/em>Yeah, so there were former students who testified on Agan’s behalf, and they all said that Agan would also squeeze, rub, or massage their shoulders, but they said that that behavior did not make them uncomfortable. I did speak to one student who testified on his behalf at the time, and she said that as an adult, she came to see that his behavior at the times was not appropriate, and tells me that now she would have switched to the other side. And then there were students who testified against him. They said that they would avoid raising their hand or speaking up in class, because they didn’t want to get his attention. There was a student who said she would try to sit against the wall, that way he could not massage her shoulders. And students who ultimately said that it was impacting their education and making them not want to take advanced math classes, because as you mentioned, she was the school’s AP calculus teacher.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:10:57] \u003c/em>What did this panel find and what ultimately were the consequences?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:02] \u003c/em>So the panel found that he had sexually harassed female students. They found he had massaged student shoulders during class. And they also found that he continued this behavior despite warnings to stop. In their judgment, their determination in the records, they ultimately say that he is unfit to teach and that he should be fired.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kris Corey: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:24] \u003c/em>The district did their case, the teacher was there. The students were remarkably brave. They testified with the teacher sitting there. They testified against the teacher.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:41] \u003c/em>Kris Corey was the superintendent of the Fairfield-Suisun School District at the time, and she talked to how rare it is to fire teachers and just how it was surprising really to have this panel of three people come to this unanimous decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Kris Corey: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:11:58] \u003c/em>Couldn’t believe it. I mean, we just, like, celebrated. And everyone was like, ‘What? How’d you do that?’ Because it just didn’t happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:12] \u003c/em>Well, I want to zoom out from this one example, Holly, because I guess until you published this story, he was actually still teaching at another school district here in the Bay Area and, in fact, went on to teach at two more schools after Rodriguez, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:30] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s correct. He’s fired December 2019 and by the next school year he already has a job teaching math at a middle school that’s about an hour away in Sacramento called Ephraim Williams College Prep. Even though he was fired he was able to keep his credential which allowed him to continue teaching.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:12:55] \u003c/em>Coming up, how Jason Agan kept on teaching. If you appreciate these deep dives into local Bay Area news, consider becoming a KQED member. We can’t do this work without your support. So join your Bay Area neighbors and become a KQED member today at kqed.org slash donate. We’ll be right back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>[00:13:25] \u003c/em>Welcome back to The Bay. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. In the first part of this episode, we learned about Jason Agan, a former teacher at Rodriguez High School in Fairfield. In late 2019, he was fired for sexually harassing students, but he still went on to teach at two more California schools. As reporter Holly McDede explains, despite Agan’s firing from Fairfield-Suisun, the state allowed him to keep his teaching credential.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:13:57] \u003c/em>One of the systems that is in place is this agency called the Commission on Teacher Credentialing, which is where any public school teacher who resigns or is fired due to misconduct is reported to this agency. And then that agency decides what to do with their license. So it’s the agency that can take away licenses from teachers. So Fairfield-Suisun, they report Agan to the Commission of Teacher Credentialing. They’re investigating, but they don’t make a determination on what to do with Agan’s case for nearly 500 days later. During that time, when Agan applies for this other job in Sacramento, that school and schools in general, they can’t learn from the state that it’s investigating. I mean, schools can ask the school that the teacher has left and in this case, Agan did put in his job application that he had been fired. He put that he has been accused of inappropriately touching students on the shoulders during class and he wrote that while he disagreed with the dismissal, he did not mean to make anyone feel unsafe and he was offering student support and encouragement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:15:16] \u003c/em>Administrators at Ephraim Williams did not respond to questions about how the school vetted Jason Agan. The former principal at Rodriguez High, the school Jason Agan was fired from, did not respond to questions about a reference check. We do know that Agan received stellar letters of recommendation from former colleagues. Meanwhile, in April, 2021, 500 days after the Fairfield-Suisun District sent their investigation to the state, California’s teacher licensing board finally made a decision. Jason Agan’s license would be suspended for just seven days. The reason for his suspension was not made public and ultimately Agan would continue teaching in Sacramento. But the complaints about his behavior didn’t go away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just so that I’m understanding, even if a teacher is fired for sexual harassment at a school, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they lose their credential in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:16:28] \u003c/em>Yeah, that’s correct. So there’s no guarantee that teachers who are fired for sexual harassment will lose their teaching licenses. Instead, cases like that, that are not necessarily criminal conduct, they go before a committee within the state that reviews cases case by case and makes a determination. They make a recommendation, and this is a committee of about seven volunteers and so. They meet in Sacramento three days once a month, they review cases and they decide what to do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:03] \u003c/em>So in this case, Agan goes on to get hired at another middle school in Sacramento. He has his credentials suspended for seven days, and presumably he’s still allowed to teach. What was his experience like teaching at this middle school?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:17:20] \u003c/em>Pretty early into the next school year, which is when students are going back to school for in-person learning, because this is all during the pandemic. So that fall, he ends up having another complaint from an eighth grader at his new school. That student had told her doctor during a routine physical that Agan had touched her lower back. She says she asked him to to stop, he went to the front of the classroom, and then he touched her shoulder. And she says in the records that it felt like asking him to stop didn’t matter. So he gets a written warning, is told that he should not be touching students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And Agan, in his response to that in the record, he does deny touching her lower back and says that he would have remembered doing so based on his previous experience. Agan continues teaching at that school. The student, she told me that the rest of the school year was so difficult, she ends up leaving middle school before the school-year ends.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Agan, he resigns by August, 2022. He ends up teaching at Clifford School in Redwood City. When Agan is hired at Redwood city, he does not put in his application that he had been fired. He said he left Rodriguez High because he was seeking new challenges and opportunities. Um, and I talked to the deputy superintendent at Redwood city, um, school district, Wendy Kelly, and she, she wouldn’t answer any questions related to his hiring, but she told me that the school district, they conduct reference checks and they also check credentialing statuses with the state’s teacher licensing agency. And she told me that schools rely on that agency to determine who’s fit to be in a classroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And by the time Redwood City had hired Agan, he has a teaching license. He’s deemed by the state fit to work in any school in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:29] \u003c/em>How many examples like Jason Agan are there, do we know?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:19:33] \u003c/em>It is hard to quantify, but in putting in all these record requests from schools I did find at least 67 examples, including Agan’s case, of educators where the state has not revoked their licenses after a school district determined they had sexually harassed students or committed other types of sexual misconduct.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:02] \u003c/em>It seems like for students and school communities in the meantime, that means we’re sort of left with this less than transparent system. I guess, how would you sum up the problems with this system and your takeaways from your reporting about how this system works?\u003cem> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:20:21] \u003c/em>I think there are a few issues that I found through my reporting. I mean, there is this issue of delay. I mean in this case, it took nearly 500 days for the agency to make a determination. And once there was the seven-day suspension, you can’t see the reason behind it. Whereas in at least 12 other states around the country, when teachers, educators are disciplined, you can see the reason for the discipline. And then, I mean, then there is the question of why a seven-day suspension after a school found sexual harassment. So I think that it’s just hard to understand how the agency makes these decisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alicia DeRollo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:03] \u003c/em>There should be a higher level of transparency. We should have expectations, we should have guidelines, we should have rules by which we lead our profession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:12] \u003c/em>So I talked to a former commissioner who had left by the time the Agan decision came down, but her name is Alicia DeRollo. For her, the big problem or shortcoming she sees is that she feels like teachers are treated differently than other professions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alicia DeRollo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:29] \u003c/em>We cannot be given a license to have responsibility over children that we could potentially harm. We can’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:21:40] \u003c/em>For her, it doesn’t make sense and is not good that there isn’t this higher level of transparency. I mean, she thinks that if there’s this level of transparency where you can find out of why a dentist is disciplined, then the people who work in classrooms, you should be able access this basic information.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alicia DeRollo: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:22:02] \u003c/em>Transparency would make it clear to teachers what they can’t get away with, would make clear to hiring agencies of what the person has done, and would set some higher standards for what we allow in the teaching profession.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:22:26] \u003c/em>Has Jason Agan commented on this story or for this story at all?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:22:31] \u003c/em>No. So I sent Jason Agan a certified letter with a list of questions. I went outside his apartment and a person at his apartment answered when I rang the buzzer and then hung up. So, I haven’t been able to get in touch with Jason Agan, but in previous statements in the records, he has denied massaging students’ shoulders. He has said that he had no sexual motivation in touching students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:23:01] \u003c/em>What about anyone from the state credentialing agency? Did anyone comment on how someone like Agan has continued to be able to teach at other schools after what happened at Rodriguez?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:23:16] \u003c/em>A spokesperson said that the state’s credentialing agency is not in charge of deciding what type of offenses lead to mandatory revocation. So it would need to be lawmakers who would decide, say, for example, that sexual harassment of students should lead to revoking licenses. But the teacher licensing agency isn’t responsible for that. And they have said that they stand ready to implement any changes that the legislature wants to put forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:23:53] \u003c/em>And as I understand it, Holly, there’s been some additional fallout since your story was published. What has been the impact since you published your story?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:24:04] \u003c/em>The impact was pretty immediate, which I think shows what information and public knowledge can do. So in the hours after the story published, some parents went to Clifford School and pulled their kids out of the school during the day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:24:21] \u003c/em>That’s the school that Agan was teaching at in Redwood City, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Holly McDede: \u003c/b>\u003cem>[00:24:24] \u003c/em>Yes. Parents went to the board meeting the next day. A parent there said he had filed a Title IX complaint against Agan, but he declined to talk to me about the specifics. Title IX is the federal law that prohibits sex-based discrimination and harassment in schools. I talked to another parent who also filed a complaint against Agan. He said his child reported seeing Agan touch students’ shoulders and yell during class. Agan has been replaced by a substitute and he’s no longer teaching at Clifford the rest of the school year. 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"content": "\u003cp>This graduation season has felt different. Commencement speakers across the country are getting booed for promoting AI in their speeches – and the videos \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2026/05/20/nx-s1-5822419/ai-colleges-commencement-booing\">have gone viral\u003c/a>. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:00:00] I’m Alan Montecillo, in for Erika Cruz Guevara, and welcome to The Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. I graduated from college 13 years ago, and I gotta be honest, no disrespect, but I don’t remember who the commencement speaker was or what they talked about. Most graduation speeches have the same themes. Some message about hope. Thanking your friends and family, the importance of following your passion, and perhaps a call to change the world for the better. But this graduation season has felt a little different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gloria Caulfield \u003c/strong>[00:00:38] The rise of artificial intelligence is the next industrial revolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:00:52] There have been several videos of students booing commencement speakers when they mention AI. These videos have gone viral.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Eric Schmidt \u003c/strong>[00:01:00] Time magazine selected its person of the year for 2025. And it was this time, it was the architects of artificial intelligence. Interesting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Borschetta \u003c/strong>[00:01:12] AI is rewriting production as we sit here. I know it, deal with it. Like I said, it’s a tool. Hey, like I said. You can hear me now or you can pay me later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:01:28] Today’s college graduates were in school when ChatGPT was first released in late 2022. They’ve seen it change their classrooms. Today, three recent graduates in the Bay Area tell us how they really feel about AI and about their futures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ellena Simentel \u003c/strong>[00:01:55] My name is Ellena Simentel. I graduated with my master’s in kinesiology from San Francisco State.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:02:04] Kinesiology is the study of muscle movement. It’s very interdisciplinary, so there’s kind of a lot of different aspects in the field. So we do like sports psychology. You can go into physical therapy, athletic training, occupational therapy. I wanted to be a physical therapist. I’ve been to a little bit more recently. So I did focus mostly on like muscle physiology classes and that types of things. But now I think I wanna go more into a little bit more of the psychological motivational side, either doing some kind of city planning that has to do with getting people moving, or maybe even working for some type of nonprofit like Girls on the Run or things that get people active.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:02:55] So even in undergrad we take our core class which is like one of the classes that teaches you like how to read and write in the field of kinesiology and that type of thing and midway through the semester I want to say this was like 2023. Our professor had actually changed the entire course of the class to focus on AI because it had like kind of just come out and she was like you And all of us at that point were kind of like, oh, you know, like, it’ll come and go, it is what it is. But what’s funny sitting back and looking at it now, it’s like, I feel like she really changed the class for a reason. I think it helped a lot of us just kind of get a grasp on what is AI, how to use it, the advantages maybe and some of the disadvantages. And so I obviously only took that class once, but I hope that they continue to do that for that class.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:04:00] It’s good to have immediate feedback, right? That’s, I think, one of the biggest advantages as a student. You don’t have to wait for your professor. It’s very individualized and you can really use it to fix specific things in your writing, for example, like writing essays. I think it’s a great tool to make you sound professional, help fix your grammar, maybe help you with the formatting. Um, the problem and the drawback is just sometimes it takes over your thinking. You it’s, it’s very easy to just put something in and be like, okay, now write me an essay, but there’s no thought that goes into that. There’s no critical thinking that goes in to that. Um, and at the end of the day, like it’s kind of taking away from the learning itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:04:54] I’m definitely less worried than other fields. I think there’s some careers in kinesiology, like if you wanted to be an athletic trainer or maybe like a personal trainer, there’s definitely a chance that AI could swoop in and take some of your clients. You can ask for a workout routine on ChatGPT so easily. However, The motivational aspect that comes with kinesiology and sports psychology that we learn with our degree I think is more helpful than talking to something online and just kind of having that like one-on-one human support is a lot more personalized. For example, like I worked in the athletic training department for a little bit and you can feel the difference in muscle when like a muscle is tense and you can kind with tell. What it needs, AI is not gonna be hands-on like that. And so having that human interaction in this field specifically is really helpful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:06:00] I will say though that there’s just so much negativity around it and it’s kind of hard to take yourself out of the online discourse. My friend works out in this athletic studio with some of these tech guys and they talk the pros and the cons and like how people are being let go and and you know But at the same time, maybe there’s some jobs that AI should take over. Do people really need to be coding all day every day sitting on a computer? Maybe there’s things that humans shouldn’t be doing, like computer work all day. Maybe we need to go back outside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:06:43] I’m looking forward to seeing what’s out there, right? I live in San Francisco currently and I can’t really see myself. Moving away anytime soon. I think there’s just so much to experience and so many people to meet. Global pandemic, like I was in college, I was taking like 20 units a semester. Every semester I was summer classes, winter classes, and I really chased the academic route. I just turned 24 and I have my master’s and I don’t think a lot of people can say that. And so I think now kind of like finding what it is exactly that I want to do with it and kind of just getting more experience in the field is really exciting to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ada He \u003c/strong>[00:07:40] My name is Ada He, and I’m currently a fourth year student at UC San Diego set to graduate on June 14th. My hometown is San Jose in the Bay Area, and I’m currently studying cognitive science with a specialization in machine learning and neural computation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:07:59] So just to boil down to simple terms, it’s basically the study of intelligence, and it’s super duper relevant for machine learning, understanding these computational models of intelligence. The reason that I chose it and specifically the machine learning and neural computation track was because I think in high school I knew that I was curious about technology but I was also curious about more so the neuroscience and psychology side of things. And so I think I was kind of struck by this idea of like what is intelligence, how can we model it computationally and I think at the time even then there were starting to be like these buzzwords around ML and like AI and how this is going to be the next big thing of the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:08:36] And so… Very practical future-oriented parents were like, you, our child, should definitely study something related to technology. And I was like, well, I’m not quite sure, so let me pick this broader major that has to do with technology, but also kind of has to do more with like the philosophy and the psychology and like the ethics of what these systems are.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:09:01] I think when I first started in college, basically the only place that I was hearing about machine learning, artificial intelligence as a whole was through theory in my coursework. But I think all of it was very much creative and like human driven. I think where I really started hearing about these AI tools that were in mass production was during my second year of college. So I think in that time, that was when ChatGPT was sort of like released to Apollo can never start using it and it became like the big thing. And suddenly it felt like everyone was talking about chatgbc like, oh hey, it’s pretty smart, it can do all these things. In my third year of college then, like after the summer when we came back to school, then it was taking off and everyone was using it in their classes, everyone’s like asking it questions, and they were using it to code in my programming classes, they were asking it for essay advice, and then I think that was when I started to think like wait, isn’t that an academic integrity violation and then so is AI just being used to like help us cheat now? Started out in this very humanistic direction, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:10:12] I was using AI as a tool to investigate these hypotheses and to see if I could get it to predict the patterns that I could predict. They were supposed to be these helpful tools that would help us diagnose bigger problems that were facing people. I’ve heard of applications of AI to chart patterns of climate change. So in my head, I just thought AI and ML had so much potential to be used for good. With ChatGPT, I know it’s like- There’s so much progress now going on in the area of large language models that I wonder if the other areas of AI and other use cases are being neglected. This seems like all research is funneling into how these large language models can help us replace white collar jobs. And I’m like, when did that become the focus of artificial intelligence and machine learning?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:10:59] I think I’ve been searching for a full-time job since January. As a student who is looking for a white collar job, it’s been very very very distressing to hear all the discourse that AI is meant to replace the work that I’ve spent four years studying. I think I honestly lost track by half to have applied for more than 300 jobs at this point. Just knowing that like the odds of getting a job are so slim even if you do get a callback and then seeing the number of callbacks I’m getting compared to the number applications I put out, that is kind of insane to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I do have summer jobs lined up. I’m currently like a student employee at the UC San Diego library. And I think like I’ve been really fortunate to have that environment because working for the web team there feels very meaningful since the work we do is like all done by hand. We have a very intentional design approach and the goal of all the work that I put out there is to serve the student body.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I think everything that I’ve made there has made me like feel good and I don’t like feel as much like moral confusion when I think about continuing that work this summer. But that rule runs until September, so I know that I have wiggle rooms trying to figure things out somewhat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:12:19] Every generation has faced its demons and maybe the world of AI slop these like powerfully generative tools are kind of one of the demons that my generation has to face in the sense that we have to figure out where it fits into our lives and where it fits into workflows without compromising our morals because they might be here to stay. And then we also have to figure out how to deal with them in our daily, day-to-day work, because that’s probably gonna be an inseparable part of it, whether we like it or not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Kim \u003c/strong>[00:12:57] My name is Aaron Kim. I graduated from UC Berkeley with a major in political science. I came in through the community college route and I started community college in 2019. So I had a couple of years to see like at least in community college, like what higher education was like before AI, then it dropped. And then I saw everyone kind of like scrambling to react to it. It was really interesting watching the different ways professors would try to handle it. Some of them just had like a no AI policy. Others had like a, you have to use AI policy. My gosh, yeah. I remember really early on, there was a professor that told me that like, or that told the class that don’t use AI. I can tell if you use AI because it’ll take your essay, put it in ChatGPT and ask it if it wrote it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s been a bit of a consensus that’s settled around AI, where professors just kind of understood that it’s here. So they got more specific on how we’re supposed to use it. So they’re like, oh, you can use it as a writing assistant. You can use as to help start your research, but don’t use it a source and don’t make it do all your writing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:14:06] But I know some people that are really hardline against it, I kind of agree with them for the most part. Like I think that AI especially, it’s not very sustainable. I feel like it’s sometimes people over-rely on it, which I’ve seen a lot. But I’ve also seen it level the playing field, especially for like ESL speakers. Sometimes I’ll see people who are like in higher education and they’re like not speaking English as a first language I I remember before AI they were excuse my language, but they were basically just shit out of luck. They were gonna be judged the same as like a native English speaker and like sometimes like it just like people were not nice about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:14:48] Yeah, I’m like a first-gen college student, so I I just kind of went to college because I don’t know, I didn’t really know why I was going. I just did it. I’m not one of those people that was like, oh yeah, I’m gonna be a doctor or a lawyer or a dentist. I ended up doing a lot of stuff in the union world and the labor world and like the community organizing world, which is why I think AI has affected me a little less personally, like a little less directly because none of the jobs that I was really looking for are really AI exposed as much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Luckily I’m one of these people, but I do think the implementation of AI in the economy has like, I’ve received a lot of the downwind effects. I think a lot tasks are having AI implemented into it. And because of that, I think there’s just less need for a lot of entry level positions that existed in the past. My friends and I joke about it being a “nepo economy” right now, because there’s just like, nobody’s getting jobs through applications, at least not a lot. It’s just all like, you have to know somebody and that’s how you’re getting jobs. 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These videos have gone viral.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Eric Schmidt \u003c/strong>[00:01:00] Time magazine selected its person of the year for 2025. And it was this time, it was the architects of artificial intelligence. Interesting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Scott Borschetta \u003c/strong>[00:01:12] AI is rewriting production as we sit here. I know it, deal with it. Like I said, it’s a tool. Hey, like I said. You can hear me now or you can pay me later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo \u003c/strong>[00:01:28] Today’s college graduates were in school when ChatGPT was first released in late 2022. They’ve seen it change their classrooms. Today, three recent graduates in the Bay Area tell us how they really feel about AI and about their futures.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ellena Simentel \u003c/strong>[00:01:55] My name is Ellena Simentel. I graduated with my master’s in kinesiology from San Francisco State.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:02:04] Kinesiology is the study of muscle movement. It’s very interdisciplinary, so there’s kind of a lot of different aspects in the field. So we do like sports psychology. You can go into physical therapy, athletic training, occupational therapy. I wanted to be a physical therapist. I’ve been to a little bit more recently. So I did focus mostly on like muscle physiology classes and that types of things. But now I think I wanna go more into a little bit more of the psychological motivational side, either doing some kind of city planning that has to do with getting people moving, or maybe even working for some type of nonprofit like Girls on the Run or things that get people active.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:02:55] So even in undergrad we take our core class which is like one of the classes that teaches you like how to read and write in the field of kinesiology and that type of thing and midway through the semester I want to say this was like 2023. Our professor had actually changed the entire course of the class to focus on AI because it had like kind of just come out and she was like you And all of us at that point were kind of like, oh, you know, like, it’ll come and go, it is what it is. But what’s funny sitting back and looking at it now, it’s like, I feel like she really changed the class for a reason. I think it helped a lot of us just kind of get a grasp on what is AI, how to use it, the advantages maybe and some of the disadvantages. And so I obviously only took that class once, but I hope that they continue to do that for that class.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:04:00] It’s good to have immediate feedback, right? That’s, I think, one of the biggest advantages as a student. You don’t have to wait for your professor. It’s very individualized and you can really use it to fix specific things in your writing, for example, like writing essays. I think it’s a great tool to make you sound professional, help fix your grammar, maybe help you with the formatting. Um, the problem and the drawback is just sometimes it takes over your thinking. You it’s, it’s very easy to just put something in and be like, okay, now write me an essay, but there’s no thought that goes into that. There’s no critical thinking that goes in to that. Um, and at the end of the day, like it’s kind of taking away from the learning itself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:04:54] I’m definitely less worried than other fields. I think there’s some careers in kinesiology, like if you wanted to be an athletic trainer or maybe like a personal trainer, there’s definitely a chance that AI could swoop in and take some of your clients. You can ask for a workout routine on ChatGPT so easily. However, The motivational aspect that comes with kinesiology and sports psychology that we learn with our degree I think is more helpful than talking to something online and just kind of having that like one-on-one human support is a lot more personalized. For example, like I worked in the athletic training department for a little bit and you can feel the difference in muscle when like a muscle is tense and you can kind with tell. What it needs, AI is not gonna be hands-on like that. And so having that human interaction in this field specifically is really helpful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:06:00] I will say though that there’s just so much negativity around it and it’s kind of hard to take yourself out of the online discourse. My friend works out in this athletic studio with some of these tech guys and they talk the pros and the cons and like how people are being let go and and you know But at the same time, maybe there’s some jobs that AI should take over. Do people really need to be coding all day every day sitting on a computer? Maybe there’s things that humans shouldn’t be doing, like computer work all day. Maybe we need to go back outside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:06:43] I’m looking forward to seeing what’s out there, right? I live in San Francisco currently and I can’t really see myself. Moving away anytime soon. I think there’s just so much to experience and so many people to meet. Global pandemic, like I was in college, I was taking like 20 units a semester. Every semester I was summer classes, winter classes, and I really chased the academic route. I just turned 24 and I have my master’s and I don’t think a lot of people can say that. And so I think now kind of like finding what it is exactly that I want to do with it and kind of just getting more experience in the field is really exciting to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ada He \u003c/strong>[00:07:40] My name is Ada He, and I’m currently a fourth year student at UC San Diego set to graduate on June 14th. My hometown is San Jose in the Bay Area, and I’m currently studying cognitive science with a specialization in machine learning and neural computation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:07:59] So just to boil down to simple terms, it’s basically the study of intelligence, and it’s super duper relevant for machine learning, understanding these computational models of intelligence. The reason that I chose it and specifically the machine learning and neural computation track was because I think in high school I knew that I was curious about technology but I was also curious about more so the neuroscience and psychology side of things. And so I think I was kind of struck by this idea of like what is intelligence, how can we model it computationally and I think at the time even then there were starting to be like these buzzwords around ML and like AI and how this is going to be the next big thing of the future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:08:36] And so… Very practical future-oriented parents were like, you, our child, should definitely study something related to technology. And I was like, well, I’m not quite sure, so let me pick this broader major that has to do with technology, but also kind of has to do more with like the philosophy and the psychology and like the ethics of what these systems are.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:09:01] I think when I first started in college, basically the only place that I was hearing about machine learning, artificial intelligence as a whole was through theory in my coursework. But I think all of it was very much creative and like human driven. I think where I really started hearing about these AI tools that were in mass production was during my second year of college. So I think in that time, that was when ChatGPT was sort of like released to Apollo can never start using it and it became like the big thing. And suddenly it felt like everyone was talking about chatgbc like, oh hey, it’s pretty smart, it can do all these things. In my third year of college then, like after the summer when we came back to school, then it was taking off and everyone was using it in their classes, everyone’s like asking it questions, and they were using it to code in my programming classes, they were asking it for essay advice, and then I think that was when I started to think like wait, isn’t that an academic integrity violation and then so is AI just being used to like help us cheat now? Started out in this very humanistic direction, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:10:12] I was using AI as a tool to investigate these hypotheses and to see if I could get it to predict the patterns that I could predict. They were supposed to be these helpful tools that would help us diagnose bigger problems that were facing people. I’ve heard of applications of AI to chart patterns of climate change. So in my head, I just thought AI and ML had so much potential to be used for good. With ChatGPT, I know it’s like- There’s so much progress now going on in the area of large language models that I wonder if the other areas of AI and other use cases are being neglected. This seems like all research is funneling into how these large language models can help us replace white collar jobs. And I’m like, when did that become the focus of artificial intelligence and machine learning?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:10:59] I think I’ve been searching for a full-time job since January. As a student who is looking for a white collar job, it’s been very very very distressing to hear all the discourse that AI is meant to replace the work that I’ve spent four years studying. I think I honestly lost track by half to have applied for more than 300 jobs at this point. Just knowing that like the odds of getting a job are so slim even if you do get a callback and then seeing the number of callbacks I’m getting compared to the number applications I put out, that is kind of insane to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I do have summer jobs lined up. I’m currently like a student employee at the UC San Diego library. And I think like I’ve been really fortunate to have that environment because working for the web team there feels very meaningful since the work we do is like all done by hand. We have a very intentional design approach and the goal of all the work that I put out there is to serve the student body.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I think everything that I’ve made there has made me like feel good and I don’t like feel as much like moral confusion when I think about continuing that work this summer. But that rule runs until September, so I know that I have wiggle rooms trying to figure things out somewhat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[00:12:19] Every generation has faced its demons and maybe the world of AI slop these like powerfully generative tools are kind of one of the demons that my generation has to face in the sense that we have to figure out where it fits into our lives and where it fits into workflows without compromising our morals because they might be here to stay. And then we also have to figure out how to deal with them in our daily, day-to-day work, because that’s probably gonna be an inseparable part of it, whether we like it or not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Kim \u003c/strong>[00:12:57] My name is Aaron Kim. I graduated from UC Berkeley with a major in political science. I came in through the community college route and I started community college in 2019. So I had a couple of years to see like at least in community college, like what higher education was like before AI, then it dropped. And then I saw everyone kind of like scrambling to react to it. It was really interesting watching the different ways professors would try to handle it. Some of them just had like a no AI policy. Others had like a, you have to use AI policy. My gosh, yeah. I remember really early on, there was a professor that told me that like, or that told the class that don’t use AI. I can tell if you use AI because it’ll take your essay, put it in ChatGPT and ask it if it wrote it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s been a bit of a consensus that’s settled around AI, where professors just kind of understood that it’s here. So they got more specific on how we’re supposed to use it. So they’re like, oh, you can use it as a writing assistant. 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I’m still trying to really figure out what direction I want to go for that. But right now I’m just like trying to find something in social impact, you know, nonprofits or unions, um, which is just because that’s like, you know, where my heart was at during college. And that’s where a lot of my experience was at. But yeah, at this point, I think I just kind of have to try to keep an open mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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