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These two kids, young teens from Los Angeles. We came out of nowhere. Our first nationals, I think I was 12, 1973, and it was white. [There were] maybe one or two other Black skaters. And, there’s my mom in a sea of white parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kP4LXNFeTU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I was there to work and compete. Call [us] whatever you’re going to call us; put us in whatever category you want to put us in; I still have to go out and compete. And, you know, when you’re winning, it shuts people up. We were spinning faster and jumping higher and at the top of the podium.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Did I think about being a role model? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Now, looking back, I understand that I was. You start getting letters from kids in schools. 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