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Some even go on to define entire generations. Where were you when JFK was shot? When Obama won the 2008 election? When Kurt Cobain died? When O.J. tried to speed away from the law in a Bronco? It makes sense why we can’t shake these moments; they changed the landscape of politics, culture, and so much more.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But iconic historical moments are not all created equal. There are macro events, like the ones mentioned above, that affect a grand swath of people, and then there are smaller, less significant cultural moments that only stick in the minds of a select few. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you remember where you were on May 23, 2007? I’m guessing that’s a no. But I do. 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Daytime TV had never been so radical or so real.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But before we get into the impact of that moment, let’s get some backstory:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83808\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-160x175.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-768x840.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-240x263.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-375x410.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-520x569.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg 936w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003c/a>Rosie O’Donnell made a name for herself in movies like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A League of Their Own\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Flintstones\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sleepless in Seattle\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Harriet the Spy\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. But with her talk show, \u003cem>The Rosie O'Donnell Show\u003c/em>, she really shot to fame, like \u003ca href=\"https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0c/b4/01/0cb401d5fea759842810918bedb2ae6b.jpg\">a koosh ball arcing into a studio audience\u003c/a>. She came to be known as the \"Queen of Nice.\" She kept conversations with her celebrity guests fun and light. Still in the closet, she played up her love of Tom Cruise. She made strangers' lives better by giving away scholarships, donations, and gifts. She sang show tunes and geeked out over Barbara Streisand. She did everything Ellen now gets to do (thanks to Rosie paving the way).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83817\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 430px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83817\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"430\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg 680w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-160x153.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-240x230.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-375x359.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-520x498.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-32x32.jpg 32w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 430px) 100vw, 430px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: ABC\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rosie Show\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> ended, six seasons later in 2002, Rosie left the limelight to focus on her family. It wasn’t long before people in the industry tried to coax her back onto daytime television. She turned down all offers -- until one of her childhood idols, Barbara Walters, asked her to be the main host of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. She agreed, and returned to the space that put her on the map. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the Rosie that showed up on set in 2006 was not the Rosie America had grown accustomed to. This new Rosie was an out lesbian who was no longer afraid to speak her mind on politics and everything else. Rather than keeping it cute, Rosie had found her voice and wasn’t going to give it up without a fight. After years of saying what America was ready to hear, she switched gears to what America \u003cem>needed\u003c/em> to hear.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-83821\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"315\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg 315w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-160x118.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-240x178.jpg 240w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 315px) 100vw, 315px\">\u003c/a>Her stint on \u003ci>The View\u003c/i> lasted only a year, and was filled with drama at every turn. Fox News regularly attacked her for her views on the Iraq War and President George W. Bush. This, remember, was in the wake of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.reut/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dixie Chicks being blacklisted\u003c/a> for their political opinions, which created an environment that equated criticism of Bush and his administration's policies with being anti-American or unpatriotic. \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell-feud/\">Donald Trump also got into the action, attacking Rosie \u003c/a>for bringing up his bankruptcies and mocking his combover, calling her \"a woman out of control\" and threatening to sue her (\"Rosie will rue the words she said. I'll most likely sue her for making those false statements -- and it'll be fun. Rosie's a loser. A real loser. I look forward to taking lots of money from my nice fat little Rosie\").\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As if that wasn't enough, Rosie had to regularly go toe-to-toe with panelist Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who was aided by an executive producer who -- rumor has it -- fed Hasselback with Republican party talking points every morning. Every weekday, in front of millions, Elisabeth would dish out an entrée of alternative facts, and Rosie would take the bait.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The near-constant sparring resulted in numerous news cycles of Rosie being painted as the alleged bully and antagonist to Hasselbeck’s innocent-seeming, pretty, conservative Christian (one\u003c/span> \u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Los Angeles Times \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">piece went with the headline\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"\u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-goldberg3apr03-column.html\">The 'Queen of Nice' Goes Nuts\u003c/a>\")\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. The fact that Hasselbeck was pregnant for this particular season of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> didn’t necessarily help optics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83822\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83822\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"455\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-160x182.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-768x873.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1020x1159.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1920x2182.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1180x1341.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-960x1091.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-240x273.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-375x426.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-520x591.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rosie and Barbara in happier times. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Each time some feud blossomed, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> enjoyed huge ratings, leading to a 17% increase in viewers from the previous Rosie-less season. Despite having a hit on their hands, things weren’t too joyous behind the scenes. A culture of distrust began to build; Rosie felt as though Walters, whom she thought of as a surrogate mother, didn’t have her back -- and that Walters and the show's producers were setting her up for more and more fireworks with Hasselbeck.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On May 23, 2007, everything finally boiled over. Comedian Joy Behar started a conversation about Al Gore and Jimmy Carter's belief that Bush was the country’s worst president, and listed Bush’s bad qualities (his handling of torture at Abu Ghraib; his response to Hurricane Katrina; his repeated mispronunciation of \"nuclear\"; the time he choked on a pretzel). Joy, Elisabeth, and Sherri Shepherd (a woman who, on a different episode of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, said \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE\">the world might actually be flat\u003c/a>) got into it for several minutes, while Rosie sat quietly. Tired of having her words misconstrued by Fox News every night, she was waiting for the clock to run out on her contract in a few weeks. But she couldn’t help but say something in response to Elisabeth calling Iraqis our enemies.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Things quickly exploded:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAwoPLhJVAs\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Six uninterrupted minutes of an epic, messy, personal fight ensued. The curtain was pulled back to reveal not just TV personalities debating \"hot topics,\" but one human being feeling betrayed and used by someone she thought was a friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This moment evokes and pokes holes in an idea that's been batted around a lot since the 2016 election -- that the way to heal the divisions in the country is for people from opposite ends of the political spectrum to engage in conversation. (If only liberals and conservatives had broken bread and chatted about their differences over some Budweisers, the thinking goes, then the country wouldn't have elected a man who called Mexican immigrants \"rapists,\" mocked a disabled reporter, promised to ban Muslims, and admitted to sexual assault on camera.) But no matter how good anyone's intentions may be, it can be impossible to have a productive dialogue when one person's belief system is founded in another's oppression, or argues against another's humanity and right to exist. There’s isn’t anywhere to go from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">During the back-and-forth, Rosie noticed that the producers had placed a split-screen between the two women so that viewers at home could watch each of their faces getting redder and angrier. The split-screen had never been used on the program before, and Rosie has said that she believes they crafted it specifically for this inevitability, which they seemed to hope would happen someday. They got their wish, and Rosie didn't return to the show the next day -- or the following day, or the one after that. A few weeks before her contract expired, Rosie quit.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-x78w48Es\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Last week marked that moment’s tenth anniversary. A lot has happened in the past 10 years, but has our discourse really changed that much? After a detour to the left during the oasis of Obama, we’re right back into a timeline where criticizing the President or his administration is seen as unpatriotic. These days, President Trump will tweet about any celebrity who criticizes him (Rosie is still one of his favorite targets, so much so that he randomly brought her up during one of the 2016 presidential debates). And, beyond celebrities, working journalists are regularly attacked -- figuratively and literally -- for reporting the facts. Trump declaring the press “the enemy of the people” and “fake news” has engendered a culture in which a Montana Republican seeking election \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/867535038749040640\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">body-slams a reporter for asking a question\u003c/a>, and it’s not even the most shocking news item of the day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every year, reality TV thrives more and more on conflict, overturned tables, wig tugs, and televised celebrity firings. It's gotten so bad that, on\u003cem> Love & Hip Hop Hollywood\u003c/em>,\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Tacky_Nerd/status/656206312120975360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbossip.com%2F1242768%2Fyuck-on-yuck-lhhh-star-nikki-baby-mudarris-claps-back-at-nasty-nastassia-for-throwing-vomit-at-her-during-fight%2F\"> one woman vomited into her hand and threw it in another woman's face\u003c/a>. Has reality TV influenced us into becoming more conflict-oriented? Or has reality TV simply been holding up a mirror to what we already were? It's hard to say, but something that’s clear is that this moment between Rosie and Elisabeth foretold what we’re living through now: a culture of division, and a culture in which someone speaking or reporting truth will be smeared or punished. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83818\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg 670w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-160x207.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-240x310.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-375x485.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-520x672.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>Since their epic showdown, Rosie has returned to stand-up and acting. Hasselbeck moved over to Fox News, where she was able to make statements like “\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why has the Black Lives Matter movement not been classified yet as a hate group?\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">” before eventually being replaced by another young blonde woman. In 2014, when Elisabeth heard that Rosie was asked to return as a host of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, she did not take the high road: \"What could ruin a vacation more than to hear news like this?\" she said. \"Talk about not securing the border. Here comes to \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> the very woman who spit in the face of our military, spit in the face of her own network and really in the face of a person who stood by her and had civilized debates for the time that she was there. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am happy to have a #momversation about why I would never defend her 2007 comments. #letfreedomring.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As far as I know, Rosie didn't respond to Elisabeth's remarks or take her up on that \"#momversation,\" and I don't blame her. As comforting as the notion of healing through conversation may be, I don't see much hope for Rosie and Elisabeth to ever mend fences. And the way things have gone in the past 10 years, I'm not sure \"conversation\" is going to unite the divided left and right in America either. But I hope I'm wrong. I really do.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But before we get into the impact of that moment, let’s get some backstory:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83808\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-800x875.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-160x175.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-768x840.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-240x263.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-375x410.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs-520x569.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/CnbbcHBXgAAB5Bs.jpg 936w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003c/a>Rosie O’Donnell made a name for herself in movies like \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A League of Their Own\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Flintstones\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sleepless in Seattle\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, and \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Harriet the Spy\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. But with her talk show, \u003cem>The Rosie O'Donnell Show\u003c/em>, she really shot to fame, like \u003ca href=\"https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0c/b4/01/0cb401d5fea759842810918bedb2ae6b.jpg\">a koosh ball arcing into a studio audience\u003c/a>. She came to be known as the \"Queen of Nice.\" She kept conversations with her celebrity guests fun and light. Still in the closet, she played up her love of Tom Cruise. She made strangers' lives better by giving away scholarships, donations, and gifts. She sang show tunes and geeked out over Barbara Streisand. She did everything Ellen now gets to do (thanks to Rosie paving the way).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83817\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 430px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83817\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"430\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts.jpg 680w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-160x153.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-240x230.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-375x359.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-520x498.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-and-view-co-hosts-32x32.jpg 32w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 430px) 100vw, 430px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo: ABC\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">After \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Rosie Show\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> ended, six seasons later in 2002, Rosie left the limelight to focus on her family. It wasn’t long before people in the industry tried to coax her back onto daytime television. She turned down all offers -- until one of her childhood idols, Barbara Walters, asked her to be the main host of \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. She agreed, and returned to the space that put her on the map. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the Rosie that showed up on set in 2006 was not the Rosie America had grown accustomed to. This new Rosie was an out lesbian who was no longer afraid to speak her mind on politics and everything else. Rather than keeping it cute, Rosie had found her voice and wasn’t going to give it up without a fight. After years of saying what America was ready to hear, she switched gears to what America \u003cem>needed\u003c/em> to hear.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-83821\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"315\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007.jpg 315w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-160x118.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/oreillyrosie2007-240x178.jpg 240w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 315px) 100vw, 315px\">\u003c/a>Her stint on \u003ci>The View\u003c/i> lasted only a year, and was filled with drama at every turn. Fox News regularly attacked her for her views on the Iraq War and President George W. Bush. This, remember, was in the wake of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/14/dixie.chicks.reut/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dixie Chicks being blacklisted\u003c/a> for their political opinions, which created an environment that equated criticism of Bush and his administration's policies with being anti-American or unpatriotic. \u003ca href=\"http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell-feud/\">Donald Trump also got into the action, attacking Rosie \u003c/a>for bringing up his bankruptcies and mocking his combover, calling her \"a woman out of control\" and threatening to sue her (\"Rosie will rue the words she said. I'll most likely sue her for making those false statements -- and it'll be fun. Rosie's a loser. A real loser. I look forward to taking lots of money from my nice fat little Rosie\").\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As if that wasn't enough, Rosie had to regularly go toe-to-toe with panelist Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who was aided by an executive producer who -- rumor has it -- fed Hasselback with Republican party talking points every morning. Every weekday, in front of millions, Elisabeth would dish out an entrée of alternative facts, and Rosie would take the bait.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The near-constant sparring resulted in numerous news cycles of Rosie being painted as the alleged bully and antagonist to Hasselbeck’s innocent-seeming, pretty, conservative Christian (one\u003c/span> \u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Los Angeles Times \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">piece went with the headline\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\"\u003ca href=\"http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-goldberg3apr03-column.html\">The 'Queen of Nice' Goes Nuts\u003c/a>\")\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. The fact that Hasselbeck was pregnant for this particular season of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> didn’t necessarily help optics.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_83822\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-83822\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"455\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-800x909.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-160x182.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-768x873.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1020x1159.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1920x2182.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-1180x1341.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-960x1091.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-240x273.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-375x426.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/GettyImages-57489257-520x591.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rosie and Barbara in happier times. (Photo by Kevin Winter/Getty Images)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Each time some feud blossomed, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The View\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> enjoyed huge ratings, leading to a 17% increase in viewers from the previous Rosie-less season. Despite having a hit on their hands, things weren’t too joyous behind the scenes. A culture of distrust began to build; Rosie felt as though Walters, whom she thought of as a surrogate mother, didn’t have her back -- and that Walters and the show's producers were setting her up for more and more fireworks with Hasselbeck.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On May 23, 2007, everything finally boiled over. Comedian Joy Behar started a conversation about Al Gore and Jimmy Carter's belief that Bush was the country’s worst president, and listed Bush’s bad qualities (his handling of torture at Abu Ghraib; his response to Hurricane Katrina; his repeated mispronunciation of \"nuclear\"; the time he choked on a pretzel). Joy, Elisabeth, and Sherri Shepherd (a woman who, on a different episode of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, said \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrkaH_V7fE\">the world might actually be flat\u003c/a>) got into it for several minutes, while Rosie sat quietly. Tired of having her words misconstrued by Fox News every night, she was waiting for the clock to run out on her contract in a few weeks. But she couldn’t help but say something in response to Elisabeth calling Iraqis our enemies.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Things quickly exploded:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/aAwoPLhJVAs'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/aAwoPLhJVAs'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Six uninterrupted minutes of an epic, messy, personal fight ensued. The curtain was pulled back to reveal not just TV personalities debating \"hot topics,\" but one human being feeling betrayed and used by someone she thought was a friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This moment evokes and pokes holes in an idea that's been batted around a lot since the 2016 election -- that the way to heal the divisions in the country is for people from opposite ends of the political spectrum to engage in conversation. (If only liberals and conservatives had broken bread and chatted about their differences over some Budweisers, the thinking goes, then the country wouldn't have elected a man who called Mexican immigrants \"rapists,\" mocked a disabled reporter, promised to ban Muslims, and admitted to sexual assault on camera.) But no matter how good anyone's intentions may be, it can be impossible to have a productive dialogue when one person's belief system is founded in another's oppression, or argues against another's humanity and right to exist. There’s isn’t anywhere to go from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">During the back-and-forth, Rosie noticed that the producers had placed a split-screen between the two women so that viewers at home could watch each of their faces getting redder and angrier. The split-screen had never been used on the program before, and Rosie has said that she believes they crafted it specifically for this inevitability, which they seemed to hope would happen someday. They got their wish, and Rosie didn't return to the show the next day -- or the following day, or the one after that. A few weeks before her contract expired, Rosie quit.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/NP-x78w48Es'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/NP-x78w48Es'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Last week marked that moment’s tenth anniversary. A lot has happened in the past 10 years, but has our discourse really changed that much? After a detour to the left during the oasis of Obama, we’re right back into a timeline where criticizing the President or his administration is seen as unpatriotic. These days, President Trump will tweet about any celebrity who criticizes him (Rosie is still one of his favorite targets, so much so that he randomly brought her up during one of the 2016 presidential debates). And, beyond celebrities, working journalists are regularly attacked -- figuratively and literally -- for reporting the facts. Trump declaring the press “the enemy of the people” and “fake news” has engendered a culture in which a Montana Republican seeking election \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/867535038749040640\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">body-slams a reporter for asking a question\u003c/a>, and it’s not even the most shocking news item of the day.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Every year, reality TV thrives more and more on conflict, overturned tables, wig tugs, and televised celebrity firings. It's gotten so bad that, on\u003cem> Love & Hip Hop Hollywood\u003c/em>,\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/Tacky_Nerd/status/656206312120975360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbossip.com%2F1242768%2Fyuck-on-yuck-lhhh-star-nikki-baby-mudarris-claps-back-at-nasty-nastassia-for-throwing-vomit-at-her-during-fight%2F\"> one woman vomited into her hand and threw it in another woman's face\u003c/a>. Has reality TV influenced us into becoming more conflict-oriented? Or has reality TV simply been holding up a mirror to what we already were? It's hard to say, but something that’s clear is that this moment between Rosie and Elisabeth foretold what we’re living through now: a culture of division, and a culture in which someone speaking or reporting truth will be smeared or punished. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\">\u003cimg class=\"alignright wp-image-83818\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover.jpg 670w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-160x207.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-240x310.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-375x485.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/05/rosie-odonnel-returns-to-the-view-cover-520x672.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003c/a>Since their epic showdown, Rosie has returned to stand-up and acting. Hasselbeck moved over to Fox News, where she was able to make statements like “\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why has the Black Lives Matter movement not been classified yet as a hate group?\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">” before eventually being replaced by another young blonde woman. In 2014, when Elisabeth heard that Rosie was asked to return as a host of \u003cem>The View\u003c/em>, she did not take the high road: \"What could ruin a vacation more than to hear news like this?\" she said. \"Talk about not securing the border. Here comes to \u003cem>The View\u003c/em> the very woman who spit in the face of our military, spit in the face of her own network and really in the face of a person who stood by her and had civilized debates for the time that she was there. \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I am happy to have a #momversation about why I would never defend her 2007 comments. #letfreedomring.\"\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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