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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 5:50 p.m. Tuesday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state charges against \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/david-depape\">David DePape\u003c/a>, who is on trial for a second time for breaking into the home of former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and attacking her husband, are now in the hands of 12 jurors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But before the defense could give its closing arguments on Tuesday, Judge Harry Dorfman barred Gypsy Taub, DePape’s ex-wife, from attending the proceedings or even being on the second floor of the San Francisco courthouse where lawyers, reporters and the jury gathered outside the courtroom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s rare that I order someone excluded from the courtroom,” Dorfman said. “The line for me is when a member of the public attempts to influence a member of the jury.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prior to Dorfman’s order, graffiti was found in the women’s bathroom nearest the courtroom, which contained a website address DePape’s family set up last year, proclaiming his innocence. On Monday, Taub handed out printed pieces of paper with the link to the website, as well as her phone number and email address. She even told reporters she was running the site to cast doubt on the state’s evidence in the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Starting at noon Tuesday, the jury began deliberating DePape’s fate on five charges: burglary, felony false imprisonment of an elder, threatening a public official, kidnapping and intimidating a witness. Dorfman \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11989279/sf-judge-tosses-3-state-charges-against-man-who-attacked-nancy-pelosis-husband\">dismissed three other charges \u003c/a>— attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and elder abuse — after the defense successfully argued DePape had already been tried for those crimes in federal court, where he was convicted and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11987892/paul-pelosis-attacker-apologizes-at-resentencing-but-prison-term-is-unchanged\">sentenced last month to 30 years in prison\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In their closing arguments, both the prosecution and defense painted DePape, 44, as someone who went too far down the rabbit hole of YouTube conspiracy theories, leaving him to believe the government to be corrupt and that Hollywood was tied up in a large pedophile ring. Taub, who has also embraced conspiracy theories, heavily influenced his actions and “inflicted immeasurable harm to his mental state,” DePape’s defense had argued in federal court.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Led by his belief in those theories, DePape went to the Pelosis’ San Francisco home after 2 a.m. on Oct. 28, 2022, in search of the House speaker. He used a hammer to smash in the downstairs patio door and his 6-foot-4, 300-pound body to push open a heavy wood door, bursting through the doors of the couple’s third-floor bedroom where only Paul Pelosi was asleep, according to court testimony.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990965\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11990965\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9675-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9675-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9675-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9675-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9675-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9675-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9675-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Public defender Adam Lipson gives his closing arguments in the state trial of David DePape in San Francisco Superior Court on June 18, 2024. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Where’s Nancy?” Paul Pelosi testified that DePape said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors again played the 911 call Paul Pelosi made over the speaker phone in their bedroom bathroom, with Assistant District Attorney Phoebe Maffei telling the jury it would make more sense now that they had all the details of those early morning hours.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My name is David,” DePape said on the call.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Who is David?” the 911 operator said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I don’t know,” Paul Pelosi said. “He says he’s a friend, but he’s not.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Prosecutors repeatedly played body camera video from two Capitol Police officers who responded to the home following Paul Pelosi’s call to 911 to find him and DePape standing next to each other, trying to gain control of a claw hammer in DePape’s hands.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Drop the hammer,” one officer said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Nope,” DePape replied before striking Pelosi multiple times.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jurors heard from investigators and received transcripts of DePape’s testimony from his federal trial, where a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967595/david-depape-found-guilty-in-paul-pelosi-hammer-attack\">jury found him guilty in November\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Maffei said DePape spent months planning a “rampage” with a list of targets and showed up to the Pelosi home “prepared for a lengthy standoff.” DePape wanted to confront Pelosi and interrogate her about “Russiagate,” an online conspiracy theory regarding the investigation into Russian interference in U.S. elections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DePape brought a sledgehammer to then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s home with one purpose, Maffei said: “He wanted to break her kneecaps, so she would be wheeled onto the floor of Congress. So people would know there are consequences.”[aside postID=news_11989279 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9258_qut-1020x574.jpg']DePape also had two GoPro cameras with him, “so his hands could be free while he maimed her and filmed her,” which he could then post online, acting as fodder for people like him researching conspiracy theories, Maffei said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his closing, San Francisco Public Defender Adam Lipson told the jury that DePape was guilty of a few of the charges, including first-degree residential burglary and dissuading a witness, and guilty of at least attempting to falsely imprison Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At issue, at least to the defense, was the charge of threatening the family of a public official. Lipson argued that the threats DePape issued to Paul Pelosi — like saying he couldn’t stop him from going onto his next targets — had nothing to do with his wife’s position in government.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It had nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi or her official duties,” Lipson said. “They don’t have the intent in this case.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lipson also argued that DePape wasn’t holding Paul Pelosi hostage to get something from his wife, claiming the video he wanted to make of Pelosi confessing to lies he said she had told about Russiagate wasn’t a thing of value.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In her rebuttal, Maffei said there was great value to someone who said he was “impassioned about the lies coming out of Washington, D.C.” in getting the speaker of the House to admit to crimes in her own home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990952\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11990952\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A courtroom sketch depicts Gypsy Taub being escorted out of the courtroom in the state trial of David DePape in San Francisco Superior Court on June 18, 2024. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“This plan all along had been to get to Nancy Pelosi,” Maffei said. “He fully expected to be knocking out her kneecaps to get the confession he wanted. That makes clear the value of the video he wanted to make.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Maffei said the evidence presented at trial showed DePape’s plan wasn’t a good one, but it was a “thoroughly thought-through plan” that included targeting Pelosi, actor Tom Hanks, former Vice President Mike Pence, a professor in San Francisco and even Taub, his ex-wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, Taub told KQED that she and DePape had been divorced for nine years, and DePape had been living in friend’s garages while working odd jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before being banned from the second floor of the Hall of Justice, Taub — who is known around the Bay Area for her \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/80769/live-at-2-p-m-san-francisco-supervisors-consider-nudity-ban-tiny-apartments\">nudist protests at City Hall\u003c/a> — danced in the courthouse hallway, twirling in circles with headphones in her ears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>DePape also had two GoPro cameras with him, “so his hands could be free while he maimed her and filmed her,” which he could then post online, acting as fodder for people like him researching conspiracy theories, Maffei said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his closing, San Francisco Public Defender Adam Lipson told the jury that DePape was guilty of a few of the charges, including first-degree residential burglary and dissuading a witness, and guilty of at least attempting to falsely imprison Paul Pelosi.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At issue, at least to the defense, was the charge of threatening the family of a public official. Lipson argued that the threats DePape issued to Paul Pelosi — like saying he couldn’t stop him from going onto his next targets — had nothing to do with his wife’s position in government.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It had nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi or her official duties,” Lipson said. “They don’t have the intent in this case.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lipson also argued that DePape wasn’t holding Paul Pelosi hostage to get something from his wife, claiming the video he wanted to make of Pelosi confessing to lies he said she had told about Russiagate wasn’t a thing of value.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In her rebuttal, Maffei said there was great value to someone who said he was “impassioned about the lies coming out of Washington, D.C.” in getting the speaker of the House to admit to crimes in her own home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990952\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11990952\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/IMG_9672-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A courtroom sketch depicts Gypsy Taub being escorted out of the courtroom in the state trial of David DePape in San Francisco Superior Court on June 18, 2024. \u003ccite>(Vicki Behringer for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“This plan all along had been to get to Nancy Pelosi,” Maffei said. “He fully expected to be knocking out her kneecaps to get the confession he wanted. That makes clear the value of the video he wanted to make.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Maffei said the evidence presented at trial showed DePape’s plan wasn’t a good one, but it was a “thoroughly thought-through plan” that included targeting Pelosi, actor Tom Hanks, former Vice President Mike Pence, a professor in San Francisco and even Taub, his ex-wife.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, Taub told KQED that she and DePape had been divorced for nine years, and DePape had been living in friend’s garages while working odd jobs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before being banned from the second floor of the Hall of Justice, Taub — who is known around the Bay Area for her \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/80769/live-at-2-p-m-san-francisco-supervisors-consider-nudity-ban-tiny-apartments\">nudist protests at City Hall\u003c/a> — danced in the courthouse hallway, twirling in circles with headphones in her ears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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The market, owned by Ahmed and Mohammed El Barak, is usually open from 6 a.m. to 2 a.m.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ahmed said that the hours of midnight to 2 a.m. are integral to Starlight’s business.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is the two hours when a lot of people finish their work, like in a restaurant, and they come get their food and they get last minute alcohol,” he told KQED. Having to close at midnight could destroy his business, Ahmed said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mohammed said that people also come to Starlight Market during the late night hours because it feels like a safer place to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“People say, ‘We come here to feel safe,’” Mohammed said. “Would you rather be in a dark spot or lit spot? If we have this enacted policy, it’s just going to get darker. Think of it that way. The homeless are still on the streets. 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The police chief put the National Guard to patrol the tenderloin up and down our National Guardsmen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You know, let’s get rid of harm reduction, which, you know, many drug experts say is the only way to get people out of drugs, which is to allow them to still use while they seek treatment so that you could save their life when they overdose, which is super important. And just go to an abstinence only model. These are things he’s saying on stage. He called harm reduction of failure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mark Farrell: \u003c/strong>We are treating it like the meth and heroin issues of a decade plus ago, a harm reduction approach where literally every single day there are city funded workers in the tenderloin handing out free packets of tinfoil to those suffering from drug addiction. 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As the incumbent in the race.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You put your finger right on the on the problem for Breed, right? Because mayor Breed’s chances as a candidate are intimately tied with how San Francisco feels the city is doing. If San Franciscans feel they’re afraid to go out of their house, they’re afraid of crime, homelessness and fentanyl are scaring the heck out of them, then they’re not going to vote for Breed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>And so it’s in Breed’s best interest to make sure that we feel good about San Francisco. So Breed on the campaign trail to your question, has been saying San Francisco’s back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>London Breed: \u003c/strong>These guys have one thing in common. They want us to feel bad about San Francisco. They want to take us backwards. They don’t. They? They are working against San Francisco. 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We absolutely do. He says we also need to make sure we’re arresting drug dealers and not drug users. So he’s kind of walking the line of what progressives want to hear and what moderates want to hear until the end.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Peskin: \u003c/strong>There’s an old saying in politics. Follow the money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Peskin was the last speaker of the night. In fact, Heather Knight: almost made him speak first for closing remarks. And he was like, no, no, no, no, no. We agreed I was last and he was right. And that’s when Aaron went scorched earth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Peskin: \u003c/strong>Mark Farrell’s first contribution came from hard right Republican Bill urban. Dorff, who has given 13 million to extremists who pass abortion bans and anti-trans laws. London Bridge ballot measures and independent expenditure campaigns are funded by crypto kings and venture capitalists. Daniel Lurie: has refused public financing so he can spend his fortune on his own campaign. I’m proud to be a grassroots candidate with over 1000 contributions from artists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>That was his moment to make his case to people who would not already vote for him, and instead he chose to, give a speech that would electrify his core base but might actually turn off moderates. And that’s a risky bet. It’s a risky bet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Peskin’s record on housing Joe is also a really big issue in this campaign. Right. And I know there was a moment where, the moderator, Heather Knight, straight up asked him, are you a Nimby? How did he respond to that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Oh man, that is my favorite thing to do, by the way. Like, don’t tiptoe around the question. You got a question? 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There was, of course, Levi Strauss heir, Daniel Lurie, the only one on stage without experience in local government. How did he do? Because I know you wrote that he needed a grand slam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Let’s see. Here’s the thing. People don’t know Daniel Lurie yet. He has a lot of money. He’s going to self-fund his campaign. He has said publicly, and he is going to blanket all of our mailboxes and TV. Our phones will be blown up with Daniel Lurie’s face. But in a real way, we don’t we still don’t know who he is, what he’s about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So the debate was really an opportunity before TV cameras, before 1600 people live, before another 1200 people watching online, before all the media to really show that he could come prepared and hit it out of the park, as well as any of these folks. He had the cards stacked against him, and I’m not sure that he really he really accomplished that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Since we don’t know him very well. What issues does Lurie: talk about the most on the campaign trail and on at this debate?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>If there had to be like a central thread that went through all of his discussions, it was that government, is failing right now that these folks have all the ideas and that he could bring kind of an outsider’s perspective. And, you know, one way of doing that is homelessness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie: \u003c/strong>We made a big, bold bet in 2017 to cut chronic homelessness in half in five years, partnering with the city. In many cases, we made some great strides. We actually reduced chronic homelessness by 13%. I’m proud of the work that we did, a tipping point. We held groups accountable. We cut funding to groups that weren’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Performing, too, talking about partnering with, nonprofits and maybe, private industry in order to build small homes, for homeless folks that, you know, San Francisco has been perhaps looking at things too much in a shelter based approach or a long term housing approach, and that we need short term housing as an interim middle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>He’s probably found a bit of a better thread in talking about outsiders versus insiders a little bit, but also he’s a little all over the place. Sometimes he’ll talk about issues in a complex way that goes a little bit too much into the weeds, and sometimes he’ll really reduce things to a single talking point that I just find not nearly as deep as his other points.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>For example, he would talk about drug dealing and the homelessness crisis, and he said, pretty emphatically, we need to show that San Francisco is like closed for business. You can’t do drugs here. You can’t deal drugs here. Under the idea that homelessness is driven by people coming here from other places.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie: \u003c/strong>We have to send a message to this country and to the world that you do not come to San Francisco to deal drugs, to do drugs, or to sleep on our streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I know a lot of San Franciscans feel like that’s the case, like San Francisco is some sort of beacon for homeless people to go to, to be homeless on our streets. But they’re not from here. As if that’s a reason to turn them away. But I’ll tell you what every city thinks that when we actually look at the numbers, 70% of people homeless in San Francisco were housed in San Francisco previously.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>The game here is to be as good as or better than London Breed or Mark Farrell: when talking to a lot of people and, you know, just on a gut level, on an emotional level, I’m not sure that he he hit that. He had one good line. He said that the stage had a combined 70 years of experience, in City Hall. And look where it’s got us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie: \u003c/strong>Listen, they’re going to talk about experience all night long, and they have over 70 years of combined experience on this stage. Look at where it’s gotten us. Are we happy to have you guys?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well moving on Joe. There was also supervisor Ahsha Safai, who at one point got skipped over for a question by the moderator, which seemed kind of like a good summation of his status in the campaign. Can you talk more about that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I mean, I feel bad like people want to run for office. They want to make a difference. That’s a great thing. But I will say that his campaign has struggled to find its central narrative. Everyone kind of has an elevator pitch. London Breed: is the comeback kid. San Francisco better?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Mark Farrell’s like, you know, got this idea that progressives have led us astray. And I’ve got the common sense ideas that put us back on track. Has got his outsider thing, but somehow he doesn’t have that. He talks a lot about community policing, as one way to address crime and other policies. I. It was Muni MTA the lack of outreach into neighborhoods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You know, Ahsha did talk about putting a student success fund on the ballot, which created about $60 million a year to support public schools. You know, he talked about, supporting, afterschool programs and school unions. He kind of has gone through the labor route a little bit, but he hasn’t thread that narrative through his different ideas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ahsha Safaí: \u003c/strong>How can you get labor and business together in all different aspects of what we’re trying to do in the city? Because this is a labor town. That’s where the history of this city and the political movement in this city began. And I’m proud to be come from that movement. And I know as mayor, I can get all the parties to the table to get to. Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So he’s kind of struggled to find his identity. And I think that was, like you said, exemplified by people just forgetting to call on him on stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight: \u003c/strong>And mayor Breed, I had a follow up for you on this topic. As a supervisor. Oh, I’m so sorry. Go ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ahsha Safaí: \u003c/strong>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I want to ask you about one more takeaway here, Joe. You wrote Mark Farrell: needs more gay friends. Tell me a little bit more about that one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So this was something I noticed. I’m just going to give a little more context. Mark Farrell: and I grew up. Very near each other in the Marina slash cow hollow. I was in the Cow Hollow. Our neighborhood is kind of like the the Marin County of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You know, it’s a little divorced from San Francisco vibes of, like, you would that you would expect of like the gay community. And it’s a little less diverse. So, you know, he he has a little bit of a struggle sometimes, I have noticed, of connecting with San Francisco outside of that, you know, Marina, Park Heights, Cow Hollow, bubble. Then we come to the debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Speaker: \u003c/strong>Can you please name your favorite San Francisco drag queen? Starting with you Ahsha.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So Ahsha Safaí answers honey mahogany. And lots of people in San Francisco know honey mahogany. She was on RuPaul’s Drag Race very famously. She was chair of the Democratic Party, which is how all these politicians know her. She was a legislative aid. She ran for supervisor and then Mark Farrell: goes next and his answer gets a big laugh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mark Farrell: \u003c/strong>Mark Farrell: I’m going to give the same answer. Honey. Mahogany.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Because he basically couldn’t name another drag queen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>To me, it sounded like Mark Farrell: could not name another drag queen in San Francisco. People might ask, why is it important? San Francisco is the birthplace of the gay movement and the LGBTQ plus movement in the United States. Before Stonewall, there’s Compton cafeteria riots for trans folks. We went through the Aids crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Drag queens were key in raising money and raising awareness in making sure that people cared about the issue. So drag and drag queens have far more history in San Francisco than that. There are wonderful pieces out there you can read to to not be able to name one. To me, it’s just just kind of shocking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I mean, there are a lot of questions like this in debates, right? I mean, I know they also asked like, what’s your favorite bar in San Francisco or what’s your favorite burrito? I mean, why do you think these questions matter?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>And that’s an important question, because a lot of people on social media were saying to me, like, why does it matter that you could name your favorite bar, your favorite drag queen? And I will say that these answers can often be very revealing about the character of these people, but also the social spheres they live in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You want a mayor who you know can see you and see your perspective and see where you’re coming from. And so, you know, like when Daniel Lurie: Yeah, they asked you, what’s your favorite, you know, watering hole in the city? I think you meant bar. Daniel Lurie: answers. Blue Light, which is a place on Union Street in the Cow Hollow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Like that doesn’t you know, Cow Hollow is one of the wealthiest enclaves in San Francisco. And I say that as someone who is who was raised there in a rent controlled apartment and it doesn’t exactly scream everyman, right, right. You know, and, and, those kind of things, they tell you a little bit about the person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joe, were there any clear winners or losers in this debate, you think?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I’ll say in a debate where no one clearly won or clearly lost, where no one did any major flubs that became social media moments necessarily. I think Mark Ferrell’s drag question was probably the closest we got to it, but it didn’t really reverberate that badly. Where there was no major breakout moments of positivity for any of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>In that scenario, I would argue to you that the winner was London Breed:, because when debates don’t have a clear winner, a loser, the incumbent is the one who wins because no one got more recognition and the incumbent walks into a situation with a lot of recognition. So I would say London Breed: won, but by default.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joe, this is your last day watching this race as a KQED reporter and as a lifelong resident of San Francisco. What will you be watching in this race over the next couple of months?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Even if I’m just watching as a San Franciscan who cares about my city? I think what I’ll be watching to see is how the conversation shapes up more than any individual candidate. How do we, as a city, talk about the issues of crime and homelessness and drug use?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Who do we center in these conversations and? And how do our fears shape what we say and what we do as a city? That’s that’s really what I’m looking to see. How driven by fear are we and how driven by unity and the values of San Francisco are we?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>We are named after Saint Francis de Assisi. Saint Francis really was someone who gave, who cared, and who made sure folks, even the people who had the least, had the most. And so do. Do we embody that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joe, I just want to say I’ve just really appreciated being able to work with you these last couple of years, and I’ve always appreciated the love that you have for San Francisco and always shines through in our episodes with you, and we’re going to miss you here at the Bay. Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I always love what you all do with the Bay. And thank you for what you do. Everyone subscribe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez, a now former KQED reporter. Joe, we wish you the best with whatever is next. By the way, if you’re listening to this on Monday the 17th, the second San Francisco mayoral debate is today at 7:30 p.m. we’ll leave you a link to that in our show notes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>This 45 minute conversation with Joe was cut down and edited by senior editor Alan Montecillo. It was produced and scored by me music courtesy of the Audio Network. By the way, if you liked this episode, consider leaving our show a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you’re listening. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thanks for listening. Talk to you next time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Can I be indulgent a little bit? Ericka? And may I say my favorite drag queen?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Let’s hear it for your last episode with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Sister Roma has always been my absolute favorite sister Roma. That’s just been there at just about every cause I’ve seen. She’s a member of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a radical drag nun group that just do everything they can to uplift San Francisco fundraising for homeless, LGBTQ youth, being just champions of fun and positivity. And sister Roma has been at it for more than 30 years. I gosh, just touches me, just touches me.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-content post-body\">\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra, and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. The race is on to see who will be the next mayor of San Francisco. And it all really kicked off after the five main candidates took the stage for their first public debate last Wednesday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>This time right now is like the official kickoff. I mean, that’s what this first debate was. This first debate was hello, everyone in San Francisco. Start paying attention to this today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>In his final act as a KQED reporter, San Francisco’s own Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez joins me to break down the first debate of the campaign and what we learned about the race.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So this is at the Sidney Goldstein Theater at the edge of like, Hayes Valley and Civic Center is hosted by City Arts and lectures, as their staffers noted, like, usually we just have two chairs on the stage and people are talking like, you know, very quietly about things. This is not this level of bombast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>This is our usual thing. So I’m walking up, I get off a Bart because, you know, I live on the south side of the city. So I take Bart. I’m walking up past City Hall, past the gilded golden dome. Turn a corner, turn one more corner, and boom! I met by, like, hundreds of people with signs for mayor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>It’s everyone’s jostling shoulders and elbows. And even when I first walked in a one of the kind of low turnout candidates, you could say a fringe candidate, Ellen Lee Zhao, was there shouting at a security guard, let me in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You should let me on stage. And inside, there are, backers of the mayoral candidates, but there’s also just regular people who came out to hear, from these folks. And, you know, I’m listening to conversations. I’m talking to people. People are like, yeah, I don’t know who I’m going to back. There’s a lot of undecideds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Sounds like a pretty energetic scene. Whoo! Then Joe is up on stage. Introduce them for folks who haven’t been following.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight: \u003c/strong>Every candidate will now have 60s to give their opening statement. And we will start right here with Supervisor Safaí.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I’ll go left to right on how they stood up on stage. On on the far left starting was supervisor Asha Safai. He is, represents the Excelsior District and other southern districts. He comes out of the labor movement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ahsha Safaí: \u003c/strong>I have always fought for working people, and I have a unifying vision and track record of bringing people together across political divides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Next to him is Mark Farrell. Born and raised in San Francisco from the Marina District. He has been a supervisor, two term supervisor, but also a mayor. He was appointed mayor by the Board of Supervisors after the death of Ed Lee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mark Farrell: \u003c/strong>San Franciscans have a spirit that is unique around the world, but the reality is we are in a tough spot right now and we need a change of leadership in City Hall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Then we’ve got Daniel Lurie. Daniel Lurie: is an heir to Levi Strauss fortune, and he leveraged that to start a nonprofit called The Tipping Point, where he was a founder and CEO.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie: \u003c/strong>I’m running because San Francisco needs accountable leadership and new ideas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Next to him as mayor, London Breed, who may not need an introduction, but for those who may not know Mayor London Breed. She was a former supervisor of district five, which includes Japantown, the Hate, the Fillmore where she grew up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>London Breed: \u003c/strong>I look forward tonight to talking about what we have done and how San Francisco is on the rise because of the work that we have done and will continue to do together.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>And then last but not least, we have a supervisor, Aaron Peskin. She’s the supervisor of district three, which includes North Beach and Chinatown, where he enjoys a lot of support. But this mayor’s race is the first test of whether or not he gets support outside of his district.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Peskin: \u003c/strong>I’m running for mayor to make San Francisco a city where diverse working people and middle class families can afford to live a city for everyone, not just the wealthy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Let’s talk about how the debate went. I know you wrote a piece about your key takeaways from this debate, and your first takeaway says Mark Farrow continues to move London Breed’s messaging. Right word. Can you just remind us again who Mark Farrell: is as a candidate and what it is that you mean by that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>This is Farrell’s moment. Frankly, he’s taking advantage of it. San Francisco has moved more to the Democratic Center and has some conservative policies. People will say, oh, it’s just the center. But no, no, no, no, no. Some of these policies are outright conservative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Drug testing welfare users is a staunch Republican position. And so we have adopted as a city some of these Republican positions. And while Farrell: is a Democrat, he certainly is not afraid of pushing the conversation in a more conservative direction on certain issues like crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mark Farrell: \u003c/strong>When I was chair of the budget committee for four years, I partner with mayor Lee and I continue these policies. When I became interim mayor, and we grew our police department every single year to record staffing levels. Since I’ve left office, we are down over 600 officers in our police department. That is a problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Farrell will say something just so out of left field, I want to say, but really out of right field. Fire. The police chief put the National Guard to patrol the tenderloin up and down our National Guardsmen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You know, let’s get rid of harm reduction, which, you know, many drug experts say is the only way to get people out of drugs, which is to allow them to still use while they seek treatment so that you could save their life when they overdose, which is super important. And just go to an abstinence only model. These are things he’s saying on stage. He called harm reduction of failure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mark Farrell: \u003c/strong>We are treating it like the meth and heroin issues of a decade plus ago, a harm reduction approach where literally every single day there are city funded workers in the tenderloin handing out free packets of tinfoil to those suffering from drug addiction. That is not the right approach.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>It is, by the way, the drug policy position of the Biden administration. This is not crazy lefty San Francisco. This is a Biden policy position, and Farrell:’s calling it a failure. And on stage, it gets undone. Breed: on stage and say we’re pursuing absence treatment. Don’t tell me we’re not doing absence treatment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>London Breed: \u003c/strong>We are not just using harm reduction to help people with treatment. We are using abstinence based treatment, which was never a part of our public health response. We’ve already invested over $20 million for seven new programs helping people to get treatment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>What we’re seeing is Farrell: being able to kind of, for lack of a better word, out cop Breed: and push Breed: to the right, because if she doesn’t take the bait, she will look like she is not being strong enough on crime, but sometimes she moderate her position. One time he said, hey, you’re not hiring enough cops, you’re failing to hire cops. She says, hey, we’re funding the police for $200 million. But there are alternatives to police.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>London Breed: \u003c/strong>To be clear, public safety isn’t just about police. It’s about alternatives to policing as well, and having ambassadors and other resources and responses to calls for service in the city, which is something that I have led on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I don’t know if that message resonates with voters or not. It’ll be interesting to see if she fully takes the bait every time Mark Farrell: goads her. She did quite a lot on stage, but if we’ll continue to see this through the campaign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I mean, it’s really candidates like Mark Farrow who kind of get to come in and say, look at all that’s wrong with San Francisco. Here are all the ways I want to change it. Right. But then it’s. London Breed: who gets, the privilege of having to justify and explain how things are actually kind of. Okay. I mean, how has London Breed: tried to address San Francisco’s image problem on the campaign trail? As the incumbent in the race.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You put your finger right on the on the problem for Breed, right? Because mayor Breed’s chances as a candidate are intimately tied with how San Francisco feels the city is doing. If San Franciscans feel they’re afraid to go out of their house, they’re afraid of crime, homelessness and fentanyl are scaring the heck out of them, then they’re not going to vote for Breed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>And so it’s in Breed’s best interest to make sure that we feel good about San Francisco. So Breed on the campaign trail to your question, has been saying San Francisco’s back.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>London Breed: \u003c/strong>These guys have one thing in common. They want us to feel bad about San Francisco. They want to take us backwards. They don’t. They? They are working against San Francisco. I’m the only one on this stage working for San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Longtime political watchers might find that interesting, because when Chesa Boudin was the district attorney before he was recalled in 2022, London Breed was certainly among those saying that San Francisco was moving in the wrong direction. So some might say that she kind of laid the groundwork for the mood of the city right now, which ultimately is hurting her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I want to talk about, another candidate on the debate stage. You wrote about Board of Supervisors President Aaron Peskin, who we’ve talked about with you on the show before, as really the only candidate from the city’s progressive camp running for mayor. And you wrote that he really leaned into that in the debate. What did Peskin talk about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Peskin has a tough job as a candidate. There is a current of fear that we’ve been talking about in San Francisco of folks who want to see crime dealt with, and that is like their chief concern. There’s a certain segment of people who just want to see it happen, even if rights are trampled, whatever or what have you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Peskin is a candidate who doesn’t want to see that happen. Peskin, from the progressive angle, is like, no, we need police reform. We need to make sure that folks who are afraid of police are also honored and protected. But he has to appeal to those people still, because he needs their votes. So what does Peskin do? He talks about both.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>He gets up there, and when he’s talking about police, he says, yes, we need more officers. We absolutely do. He says we also need to make sure we’re arresting drug dealers and not drug users. So he’s kind of walking the line of what progressives want to hear and what moderates want to hear until the end.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Peskin: \u003c/strong>There’s an old saying in politics. Follow the money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Peskin was the last speaker of the night. In fact, Heather Knight: almost made him speak first for closing remarks. And he was like, no, no, no, no, no. We agreed I was last and he was right. And that’s when Aaron went scorched earth.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Peskin: \u003c/strong>Mark Farrell’s first contribution came from hard right Republican Bill urban. Dorff, who has given 13 million to extremists who pass abortion bans and anti-trans laws. London Bridge ballot measures and independent expenditure campaigns are funded by crypto kings and venture capitalists. Daniel Lurie: has refused public financing so he can spend his fortune on his own campaign. I’m proud to be a grassroots candidate with over 1000 contributions from artists.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>That was his moment to make his case to people who would not already vote for him, and instead he chose to, give a speech that would electrify his core base but might actually turn off moderates. And that’s a risky bet. It’s a risky bet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Peskin’s record on housing Joe is also a really big issue in this campaign. Right. And I know there was a moment where, the moderator, Heather Knight, straight up asked him, are you a Nimby? How did he respond to that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Oh man, that is my favorite thing to do, by the way. Like, don’t tiptoe around the question. You got a question? Ask the damn question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight: \u003c/strong>Supervisor Peskin, I have a follow up for you. Your housing policies differ most from the other candidates, and your critics call you a Nimby because of your efforts to keep your own neighborhood. North Beach and Telegraph Hill preserved as it is. Are you a Nimby?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>The definition of Nimby is not in my backyard. And so urbanist critics who want more housing built will say, well, Aaron, sure, you’re responsible for thousands of housing units being built everywhere else but your own backyard, like you passed height limits on the hill behind where his house is. But his answer at the debate actually talked a lot about affordable housing that he helped build.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Aaron Peskin: \u003c/strong>Heather, when I first came into office, when the Embarcadero Freeway was torn down and the three parcels that we got from the state of California were slated to be hotels and other uses, I insisted that each and every one of those parcels be built as dense, affordable housing. And today each of those parcels are dense, affordable housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So he actually came prepared with a lot of examples of housing that he’s backed in his backyard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, Joe tells us about the rest of his takeaways from the debate and what he’ll be watching for next. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Moving on here. There was, of course, Levi Strauss heir, Daniel Lurie, the only one on stage without experience in local government. How did he do? Because I know you wrote that he needed a grand slam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Let’s see. Here’s the thing. People don’t know Daniel Lurie yet. He has a lot of money. He’s going to self-fund his campaign. He has said publicly, and he is going to blanket all of our mailboxes and TV. Our phones will be blown up with Daniel Lurie’s face. But in a real way, we don’t we still don’t know who he is, what he’s about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So the debate was really an opportunity before TV cameras, before 1600 people live, before another 1200 people watching online, before all the media to really show that he could come prepared and hit it out of the park, as well as any of these folks. He had the cards stacked against him, and I’m not sure that he really he really accomplished that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Since we don’t know him very well. What issues does Lurie: talk about the most on the campaign trail and on at this debate?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>If there had to be like a central thread that went through all of his discussions, it was that government, is failing right now that these folks have all the ideas and that he could bring kind of an outsider’s perspective. And, you know, one way of doing that is homelessness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie: \u003c/strong>We made a big, bold bet in 2017 to cut chronic homelessness in half in five years, partnering with the city. In many cases, we made some great strides. We actually reduced chronic homelessness by 13%. I’m proud of the work that we did, a tipping point. We held groups accountable. We cut funding to groups that weren’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Performing, too, talking about partnering with, nonprofits and maybe, private industry in order to build small homes, for homeless folks that, you know, San Francisco has been perhaps looking at things too much in a shelter based approach or a long term housing approach, and that we need short term housing as an interim middle.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>He’s probably found a bit of a better thread in talking about outsiders versus insiders a little bit, but also he’s a little all over the place. Sometimes he’ll talk about issues in a complex way that goes a little bit too much into the weeds, and sometimes he’ll really reduce things to a single talking point that I just find not nearly as deep as his other points.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>For example, he would talk about drug dealing and the homelessness crisis, and he said, pretty emphatically, we need to show that San Francisco is like closed for business. You can’t do drugs here. You can’t deal drugs here. Under the idea that homelessness is driven by people coming here from other places.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie: \u003c/strong>We have to send a message to this country and to the world that you do not come to San Francisco to deal drugs, to do drugs, or to sleep on our streets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I know a lot of San Franciscans feel like that’s the case, like San Francisco is some sort of beacon for homeless people to go to, to be homeless on our streets. But they’re not from here. As if that’s a reason to turn them away. But I’ll tell you what every city thinks that when we actually look at the numbers, 70% of people homeless in San Francisco were housed in San Francisco previously.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>The game here is to be as good as or better than London Breed or Mark Farrell: when talking to a lot of people and, you know, just on a gut level, on an emotional level, I’m not sure that he he hit that. He had one good line. He said that the stage had a combined 70 years of experience, in City Hall. And look where it’s got us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Daniel Lurie: \u003c/strong>Listen, they’re going to talk about experience all night long, and they have over 70 years of combined experience on this stage. Look at where it’s gotten us. Are we happy to have you guys?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well moving on Joe. There was also supervisor Ahsha Safai, who at one point got skipped over for a question by the moderator, which seemed kind of like a good summation of his status in the campaign. Can you talk more about that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I mean, I feel bad like people want to run for office. They want to make a difference. That’s a great thing. But I will say that his campaign has struggled to find its central narrative. Everyone kind of has an elevator pitch. London Breed: is the comeback kid. San Francisco better?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Mark Farrell’s like, you know, got this idea that progressives have led us astray. And I’ve got the common sense ideas that put us back on track. Has got his outsider thing, but somehow he doesn’t have that. He talks a lot about community policing, as one way to address crime and other policies. I. It was Muni MTA the lack of outreach into neighborhoods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You know, Ahsha did talk about putting a student success fund on the ballot, which created about $60 million a year to support public schools. You know, he talked about, supporting, afterschool programs and school unions. He kind of has gone through the labor route a little bit, but he hasn’t thread that narrative through his different ideas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ahsha Safaí: \u003c/strong>How can you get labor and business together in all different aspects of what we’re trying to do in the city? Because this is a labor town. That’s where the history of this city and the political movement in this city began. And I’m proud to be come from that movement. And I know as mayor, I can get all the parties to the table to get to. Yes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So he’s kind of struggled to find his identity. And I think that was, like you said, exemplified by people just forgetting to call on him on stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Heather Knight: \u003c/strong>And mayor Breed, I had a follow up for you on this topic. As a supervisor. Oh, I’m so sorry. Go ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ahsha Safaí: \u003c/strong>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I want to ask you about one more takeaway here, Joe. You wrote Mark Farrell: needs more gay friends. Tell me a little bit more about that one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So this was something I noticed. I’m just going to give a little more context. Mark Farrell: and I grew up. Very near each other in the Marina slash cow hollow. I was in the Cow Hollow. Our neighborhood is kind of like the the Marin County of San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You know, it’s a little divorced from San Francisco vibes of, like, you would that you would expect of like the gay community. And it’s a little less diverse. So, you know, he he has a little bit of a struggle sometimes, I have noticed, of connecting with San Francisco outside of that, you know, Marina, Park Heights, Cow Hollow, bubble. Then we come to the debate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Speaker: \u003c/strong>Can you please name your favorite San Francisco drag queen? Starting with you Ahsha.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>So Ahsha Safaí answers honey mahogany. And lots of people in San Francisco know honey mahogany. She was on RuPaul’s Drag Race very famously. She was chair of the Democratic Party, which is how all these politicians know her. She was a legislative aid. She ran for supervisor and then Mark Farrell: goes next and his answer gets a big laugh.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Mark Farrell: \u003c/strong>Mark Farrell: I’m going to give the same answer. Honey. Mahogany.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Because he basically couldn’t name another drag queen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>To me, it sounded like Mark Farrell: could not name another drag queen in San Francisco. People might ask, why is it important? San Francisco is the birthplace of the gay movement and the LGBTQ plus movement in the United States. Before Stonewall, there’s Compton cafeteria riots for trans folks. We went through the Aids crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Drag queens were key in raising money and raising awareness in making sure that people cared about the issue. So drag and drag queens have far more history in San Francisco than that. There are wonderful pieces out there you can read to to not be able to name one. To me, it’s just just kind of shocking.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I mean, there are a lot of questions like this in debates, right? I mean, I know they also asked like, what’s your favorite bar in San Francisco or what’s your favorite burrito? I mean, why do you think these questions matter?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>And that’s an important question, because a lot of people on social media were saying to me, like, why does it matter that you could name your favorite bar, your favorite drag queen? And I will say that these answers can often be very revealing about the character of these people, but also the social spheres they live in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>You want a mayor who you know can see you and see your perspective and see where you’re coming from. And so, you know, like when Daniel Lurie: Yeah, they asked you, what’s your favorite, you know, watering hole in the city? I think you meant bar. Daniel Lurie: answers. Blue Light, which is a place on Union Street in the Cow Hollow.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Like that doesn’t you know, Cow Hollow is one of the wealthiest enclaves in San Francisco. And I say that as someone who is who was raised there in a rent controlled apartment and it doesn’t exactly scream everyman, right, right. You know, and, and, those kind of things, they tell you a little bit about the person.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joe, were there any clear winners or losers in this debate, you think?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I’ll say in a debate where no one clearly won or clearly lost, where no one did any major flubs that became social media moments necessarily. I think Mark Ferrell’s drag question was probably the closest we got to it, but it didn’t really reverberate that badly. Where there was no major breakout moments of positivity for any of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>In that scenario, I would argue to you that the winner was London Breed:, because when debates don’t have a clear winner, a loser, the incumbent is the one who wins because no one got more recognition and the incumbent walks into a situation with a lot of recognition. So I would say London Breed: won, but by default.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joe, this is your last day watching this race as a KQED reporter and as a lifelong resident of San Francisco. What will you be watching in this race over the next couple of months?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Even if I’m just watching as a San Franciscan who cares about my city? I think what I’ll be watching to see is how the conversation shapes up more than any individual candidate. How do we, as a city, talk about the issues of crime and homelessness and drug use?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Who do we center in these conversations and? And how do our fears shape what we say and what we do as a city? That’s that’s really what I’m looking to see. How driven by fear are we and how driven by unity and the values of San Francisco are we?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>We are named after Saint Francis de Assisi. Saint Francis really was someone who gave, who cared, and who made sure folks, even the people who had the least, had the most. And so do. Do we embody that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Joe, I just want to say I’ve just really appreciated being able to work with you these last couple of years, and I’ve always appreciated the love that you have for San Francisco and always shines through in our episodes with you, and we’re going to miss you here at the Bay. Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>I always love what you all do with the Bay. And thank you for what you do. Everyone subscribe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez, a now former KQED reporter. Joe, we wish you the best with whatever is next. By the way, if you’re listening to this on Monday the 17th, the second San Francisco mayoral debate is today at 7:30 p.m. we’ll leave you a link to that in our show notes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>This 45 minute conversation with Joe was cut down and edited by senior editor Alan Montecillo. It was produced and scored by me music courtesy of the Audio Network. By the way, if you liked this episode, consider leaving our show a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you’re listening. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra. Thanks for listening. Talk to you next time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez: \u003c/strong>Can I be indulgent a little bit? Ericka? 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"content": "\u003cp>San Francisco’s first mayoral debate was — well, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11990106/sf-mayor-candidates-speak-to-their-bases-and-no-one-else-at-1st-debate\">it certainly happened\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I took in Wednesday night’s political scuffle alongside a pack of journalists sitting in the nosebleed section of the Sydney Goldstein Theater. By the end, I had the distinct impression of not being distinctly impressed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mayor London Breed, former Mayor Mark Farrell, Levi Strauss heir Daniel Lurie and Supervisors Aaron Peskin and Ahsha Safaí all argued their visions for San Francisco’s future. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11989776/san-franciscos-first-mayoral-debate-is-here-the-stakes-are-high\">They sang the songs we’d heard before\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Still, some new twists emerged. Here are a few from this reporter’s notebook.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Farrell continues to push Breed’s messaging rightward\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Farrell is a Democrat who isn’t afraid to push San Francisco in a conservative direction, like bringing armed National Guard troops to patrol the Tenderloin to stem the fentanyl crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990166\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990166 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Former Mayor Mark Farrell speaks during a San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. Farrell, a Democrat, isn’t afraid to push San Francisco in a conservative direction and called harm reduction a failure on stage. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Farrell called harm reduction a failure on stage. Harm reduction is an approach offering services to drug users even when they continue their habit. Farrell favors abstinence-only treatment. Harm reduction is considered a health-centric approach and is \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/the-administrations-strategy/the-biden-harris-administrations-first-year-drug-policy-priorities/?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=20240327_Political%20Breakdown&mc_key=11576065\">part of President Joe Biden’s drug policy\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breed took the bait.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are not just using harm reduction to help people with treatment,” she said. “We are using abstinence-based treatment, which was never a part of our public health response.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Peskin took a risk, leaning into progressive messaging\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Peskin wobbly walked a tightrope, offering solutions for the fentanyl and housing crises that may appeal to centrist Democrats while still keeping his core progressive base happy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990162\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990162 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supervisor Aaron Peskin speaks during the first San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. Peskin aims to steer San Francisco back toward progressive values many believe it has abandoned. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But his scorched-earth message at the end of the night was aimed squarely at the left, lighting up Farrell for benefiting from contributions from hard-right Republican William Oberndorf, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/William-Oberndorf-in-Boudin-recall-17059555.php\">who has donated millions to Republicans nationally\u003c/a> who favor abortion bans. Breed drew support for her ballot measures from “crypto kings and venture capitalists,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s an old saying in politics, ‘Follow the money,’” Peskin said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Farrell needs more gay friends\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Co-moderator Manny Yekutiel tossed a softball to the candidates: Name your favorite drag queen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Safaí, who answered first, said Honey Mahogany, who drew fame for her appearance on \u003cem>Ru Paul’s Drag Race \u003c/em>and her stint as San Francisco Democratic Party chair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990157\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11990157\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gaybraham Lincoln (left) and Randy Green stand in the lobby as people stream into the Sydney Goldstein Theater for the San Francisco mayoral debate on June 12, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I’m going to give the same answer, Honey Mahogany,” said Farrell, who spoke next.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The crowd howled. It certainly sounded like Farrell couldn’t think of another drag queen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last month, at the first mayoral forum, Farrell declined to specifically name his top friends and advisors from the LGBTQ community. Seriously, someone take that man to \u003ca href=\"https://www.studsf.com/\">The Stud\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Lurie’s performance was OK, but he needed a grand slam\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Lurie, the former CEO of Tipping Point, an anti-poverty nonprofit, is a relative unknown in city politics. He needed an explosive night to propel his campaign into the more heated months of the mayor’s race. He didn’t get that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990158\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990158 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Daniel Lurie speaks during the San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. The Levi Strauss heir and former CEO of Tipping Point, an anti-poverty nonprofit, is a relative unknown in city politics. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Candidates spent the night dunking on Lurie’s lack of government experience. Lurie also struggled to shed his rich guy persona.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked to name his favorite bar, Lurie answered \u003ca href=\"https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-blue-light-san-francisco-2\">The Blue Light\u003c/a>, a Cow Hollow watering hole. No offense to The Blue Light, and no hate to Cow Hollow, where I grew up in a rent-controlled apartment. It’s one of the city’s wealthiest enclaves and doesn’t exactly radiate everyman vibes.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Safaí struggled for recognition and to pick a lane\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The most successful candidates craft identities you can describe in a sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990165\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990165 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ahsha Safaí speaks during the San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. Along with the other candidates, Safaí shared his vision for the city’s future. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Breed portrays herself as a comeback kid celebrating a rejuvenated San Francisco. Farrell wants to be seen as a pragmatist who will save the city from wayward progressives. Lurie projects as a sensible outsider with CEO know-how. Peskin hopes to be the city’s personal Jiminy Cricket, steering San Francisco back toward progressive values many believe it has abandoned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don’t know Safaí’s elevator pitch. And after his debate performance, I’m not sure he knows it himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point, during a heated back and forth between Heather Knight, a debate moderator and San Francisco bureau chief of \u003cem>The New York Times\u003c/em> and Breed, Knight completely skipped over Safaí’s turn to answer a question — almost as if she forgot he was on stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Farrell continues to push Breed’s messaging rightward\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Farrell is a Democrat who isn’t afraid to push San Francisco in a conservative direction, like bringing armed National Guard troops to patrol the Tenderloin to stem the fentanyl crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990166\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990166 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-73-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Former Mayor Mark Farrell speaks during a San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. Farrell, a Democrat, isn’t afraid to push San Francisco in a conservative direction and called harm reduction a failure on stage. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Farrell called harm reduction a failure on stage. Harm reduction is an approach offering services to drug users even when they continue their habit. Farrell favors abstinence-only treatment. Harm reduction is considered a health-centric approach and is \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/the-administrations-strategy/the-biden-harris-administrations-first-year-drug-policy-priorities/?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=20240327_Political%20Breakdown&mc_key=11576065\">part of President Joe Biden’s drug policy\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breed took the bait.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are not just using harm reduction to help people with treatment,” she said. “We are using abstinence-based treatment, which was never a part of our public health response.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Peskin took a risk, leaning into progressive messaging\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Peskin wobbly walked a tightrope, offering solutions for the fentanyl and housing crises that may appeal to centrist Democrats while still keeping his core progressive base happy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990162\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990162 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-77-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supervisor Aaron Peskin speaks during the first San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. Peskin aims to steer San Francisco back toward progressive values many believe it has abandoned. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But his scorched-earth message at the end of the night was aimed squarely at the left, lighting up Farrell for benefiting from contributions from hard-right Republican William Oberndorf, \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/William-Oberndorf-in-Boudin-recall-17059555.php\">who has donated millions to Republicans nationally\u003c/a> who favor abortion bans. Breed drew support for her ballot measures from “crypto kings and venture capitalists,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s an old saying in politics, ‘Follow the money,’” Peskin said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Farrell needs more gay friends\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Co-moderator Manny Yekutiel tossed a softball to the candidates: Name your favorite drag queen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Safaí, who answered first, said Honey Mahogany, who drew fame for her appearance on \u003cem>Ru Paul’s Drag Race \u003c/em>and her stint as San Francisco Democratic Party chair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990157\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11990157\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-10-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gaybraham Lincoln (left) and Randy Green stand in the lobby as people stream into the Sydney Goldstein Theater for the San Francisco mayoral debate on June 12, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I’m going to give the same answer, Honey Mahogany,” said Farrell, who spoke next.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The crowd howled. It certainly sounded like Farrell couldn’t think of another drag queen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last month, at the first mayoral forum, Farrell declined to specifically name his top friends and advisors from the LGBTQ community. Seriously, someone take that man to \u003ca href=\"https://www.studsf.com/\">The Stud\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Lurie’s performance was OK, but he needed a grand slam\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Lurie, the former CEO of Tipping Point, an anti-poverty nonprofit, is a relative unknown in city politics. He needed an explosive night to propel his campaign into the more heated months of the mayor’s race. He didn’t get that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990158\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990158 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-43-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Daniel Lurie speaks during the San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. The Levi Strauss heir and former CEO of Tipping Point, an anti-poverty nonprofit, is a relative unknown in city politics. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Candidates spent the night dunking on Lurie’s lack of government experience. Lurie also struggled to shed his rich guy persona.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked to name his favorite bar, Lurie answered \u003ca href=\"https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-blue-light-san-francisco-2\">The Blue Light\u003c/a>, a Cow Hollow watering hole. No offense to The Blue Light, and no hate to Cow Hollow, where I grew up in a rent-controlled apartment. It’s one of the city’s wealthiest enclaves and doesn’t exactly radiate everyman vibes.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Safaí struggled for recognition and to pick a lane\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The most successful candidates craft identities you can describe in a sentence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11990165\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11990165 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240612-SFMayoralDebate-82-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ahsha Safaí speaks during the San Francisco mayoral debate at the Sydney Goldstein Theater. Along with the other candidates, Safaí shared his vision for the city’s future. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Breed portrays herself as a comeback kid celebrating a rejuvenated San Francisco. Farrell wants to be seen as a pragmatist who will save the city from wayward progressives. Lurie projects as a sensible outsider with CEO know-how. Peskin hopes to be the city’s personal Jiminy Cricket, steering San Francisco back toward progressive values many believe it has abandoned.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don’t know Safaí’s elevator pitch. And after his debate performance, I’m not sure he knows it himself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point, during a heated back and forth between Heather Knight, a debate moderator and San Francisco bureau chief of \u003cem>The New York Times\u003c/em> and Breed, Knight completely skipped over Safaí’s turn to answer a question — almost as if she forgot he was on stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>San Francisco police announced Monday that they’ve installed 100 automated license plate readers and have made several arrests since beginning to install them in March. The cameras sit near intersections and photograph every car, checking license plate numbers against a database of vehicles reported stolen or linked to a suspected crime.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mayor London Breed touted the early results as a success, but advocates warn the technology, and others that San Francisco police are planning to implement, are a concerning shift toward mass surveillance without sufficient transparency.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The early results we’re seeing are extraordinary because we are using 21st-century technology to help us combat some of our challenges related to crime, and it’s making a big difference,” Breed said in an interview with KQED on Wednesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Police have used the cameras to make several arrests, including a sexual assault suspect by San José police whose car was identified by ALPR cameras in San Francisco last week. They also arrested a woman who had a warrant after a camera identified her car.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These 100 cameras have been a massive help to our police department,” Police Chief William Scott said \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/SFPD/status/1800936845825671280\">in a statement on Monday\u003c/a>. “In just a few weeks, we’ve received thousands of hits on stolen or wanted vehicles.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Crime is down in San Francisco this year. There were 13% fewer violent crimes and 33% fewer property crimes from January through May compared with the same period last year, according to a Wednesday \u003ca href=\"https://www.sf.gov/news/san-franciscos-new-public-safety-camera-technology-delivering-early-results\">statement\u003c/a> from the mayor’s office. Violent and property crimes are also down in all regions of the U.S. in the first three months of the year, \u003ca href=\"https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2024-quarterly-crime-report-and-use-of-force-data-update\">according to data released\u003c/a> by the FBI on Monday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked about this, Breed maintained that the increased police response in the city is having an effect.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The numbers — in terms of an over 85% arrest rate for homicides — that’s not happening in other cities around the country,” Breed said. “That is directly attributed to a lot of the work that we’re doing to increase our capacity to make arrests.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Privacy concerns about mass surveillance\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The technology is “eroding our civil liberties and our privacy,” Saira Hussain, senior staff attorney for the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, told KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you have a network of hundreds of cameras around a densely populated city, you’re going to inevitably start to understand patterns of how somebody’s moving about and being able to track their movements at a very granular level,” Hussain said. “It starts to look like a mass surveillance technology that is basically a dragnet, and it is identifying everybody who is driving around — not the very, very small percentage of people who may be engaged in criminal activity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response to a question about privacy, Breed said, “We are using what we have at our disposal to help us combat issues around crime. And sometimes there are trade-offs if we want to make sure that we are using this technology in a way that’s going to help make our streets safer.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hussain said she wants San Francisco police to share the data on how the technology has been used and what the outcomes have been.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We should not just merely say, ‘Well, the technology exists, so we should just use it.’ I’d also again posit back on the police department. I want to see what the stats are,” Hussain said. “The studies that are out there have shown that actually automated license plate readers do not have a discernible effect on solving crime.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A city ordinance requires San Francisco police to disclose an annual report on using ALPRs. Hussain and her colleagues submitted requests for public records for these reports, which the police could not produce. The city’s Sunshine Ordinance Task Force ruled last year that \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfgov.org/sunshine/sites/default/files/SOTF_ORDER_22080.pdf\">police were in violation of that ordinance (PDF)\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The automated license plate readers, or ALPRs, are just one part of a broader shift toward using new surveillance technologies for policing in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"Related Stories\" postID=\"news_11977185,news_11983813,news_11956244\"]“Our goal is to maximize our use of technology to fight crime more effectively and with more precision,” Scott said in the Monday statement. “We will be integrating our ALPR network with our other technologies, including technologies voters approved in March under Proposition E, like drones and public safety cameras.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11977185/police-want-drones-in-car-chases-how-sfs-prop-e-could-affect-that\">Proposition E\u003c/a> loosened restrictions on police chases and authorized police to use drones and other technologies to combat crime. Breed said one target for the use of drones is sideshows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Drones are going to be really useful in terms of sideshows because not only will we be able to send drones into those locations, but they’ll be able to follow the various suspects once the sideshows have departed from the areas,” Breed said. “It’s so important that we continue to be as aggressive as we can, use all the tools that we have at our disposal in order to continue to reduce crime in San Francisco.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hussain said the increased use of these technologies serves to normalize mass surveillance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When you combine things like drones, and automated license plate readers, other types of technology, it really does begin to identify people as they’re moving about the city,” Hussain said. “And that really starts to look like, rather than an identifiable crime prevention tool, just trying to put everybody under a cloud of suspicion in order to pick out the very small number of incidents in which there is wrongdoing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Police plan to install 300 more readers throughout the city in the coming weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cp>After the collapse of an early debate amid a contentious start to the San Francisco mayoral race, the first debate is finally here — and it’s shaping up to be the local political event of the summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hosted by City Arts & Lectures at the Sydney Goldstein Theater in Civic Center, the Wednesday night event is already sold out to watch in person with 1,600 people set to attend. Hundreds more have signed up to watch virtually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Between now and the November election, debates aplenty will pop up in neighborhoods across the city, giving voters the chance to see Mayor London Breed, former Mayor Mark Farrell, Levi Strauss heir Daniel Lurie and Supervisors Aaron Peskin and Ahsha Safaí argue their visions for San Francisco. However, the first holds a particular power: a candidate’s debut performance can sway people to donate in large numbers or volunteer. It can also lead to vital endorsements, said Jim Ross, a political consultant who led Gov. Gavin Newsom’s successful 2003 mayoral campaign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the first opportunity for the public to get a sense of how the candidates perform in a tense situation, the opening debate can shape the idea of a candidate in people’s minds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The key thing about a debate like this one coming up is not the debate itself, but the story that comes out of it,” Ross said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11989876\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11989876\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240213-MarkFarrell-32-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240213-MarkFarrell-32-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240213-MarkFarrell-32-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240213-MarkFarrell-32-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240213-MarkFarrell-32-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240213-MarkFarrell-32-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mark Farrell announces his run for San Francisco mayor during a press conference at the San Francisco Baseball Academy in San Francisco on Feb. 13, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The high stakes explain the acrimony over the first proposed debate organized by TogetherSF, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11986393/first-sf-mayoral-debate-continues-to-crumble-as-third-candidate-may-drop-out\">which imploded over allegations that the political group’s CEO was working for Farrell in secret\u003c/a>. Breed and Peskin both backed out of the May 20 event, citing concerns over the group’s impartiality.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“These first debates can be so defining,” Ross said. “If it were the fifth debate or sixth debate, I don’t think anybody would have cared.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While it’s still early in the mayor’s race — the deadline to declare candidacy was just Tuesday — it’s clear Farrell’s campaign has emerged as a threat to Breed. A May poll from moderate-leaning Democratic group GrowSF shows the mayor and Farrell \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11986162/anybody-could-win-san-francisco-mayoral-race-poll-suggests-with-many-voters-undecided\">in a statistical dead heat\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11989877\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11989877\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240406-PeskinCampaignKickoff-056-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240406-PeskinCampaignKickoff-056-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240406-PeskinCampaignKickoff-056-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240406-PeskinCampaignKickoff-056-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240406-PeskinCampaignKickoff-056-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240406-PeskinCampaignKickoff-056-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Board of Supervisors President Aaron Peskin poses for photos after a rally to announce his campaign for mayor of San Francisco in Chinatown’s Portsmouth Square in San Francisco on April 6, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Usually, the power of incumbency gives politicians holding office a comfortable lead. These are not ordinary times, as San Franciscans’ concerns over crime, drug use and homelessness have tarnished Breed’s image. A \u003cem>San Francisco Chronicle\u003c/em> poll from February showed 71% of San Franciscans did not approve of Breed’s job performance as mayor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There’s still time for Breed to catch up, and winning significant endorsements will be key.[aside postID=news_11983671 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/DCCC01-1020x680.jpg']Jane Natoli, organizing director of the pro-development group San Francisco YIMBY, is buying popcorn, gluten-free snacks and non-alcoholic drinks for a virtual watch party at the group’s regular meeting space in South of Market (though she won’t begrudge her members for bringing libations). Her members are watching with an eye toward making their endorsements, which carry weight among younger voters and people with urbanist values.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Every candidate except for Peskin — whose stance on new housing has irked the pro-development crowd — has met with SF YIMBY members to discuss their housing plans, but Natoli thinks there’s added value in the debate format. She’s particularly interested to hear if the candidates will commit to building more developments, more densely, on the city’s suburban west side to solve the housing crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So far, everyone’s tiptoed around that a little bit. Where are they going to stand? How are they going to differentiate themselves?” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Peskin recently \u003ca href=\"https://missionlocal.org/2024/06/confederacy-of-nimbys-cheer-peskin-criticize-melgar-on-housing/\">drew accolades from neighbors opposed to dense housing on the west side\u003c/a>, according to Mission Local, which may emerge as an attack from other candidates on stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11989879\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11989879\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supervisor Ahsha Safaí speaks with Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer for Political Breakdown at KQED headquarters in San Francisco on May 16, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nancy Tung, chair of the San Francisco Democratic Party, warned voters to ask themselves a few key questions when candidates profess grand ideas to move the city forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How reasonable are the plans that they’ve laid out? Is that type of plan workable within the city bureaucracy? Is there funding for that?” she said. “It’s easier said than done, I think.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Multiple campaigns told KQED they’re deep in debate prep. Four of the candidates are regular public speakers in political life — at this point, they’re more focused on compressing their answers down to the one-minute allotment than they are on learning to speak more eloquently about their records. The night will be moderated by Manny Yekutiel, proprietor of the event space Manny’s and Heather Knight, \u003cem>The New York Times\u003c/em>’ San Francisco bureau chief.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The candidates’ messaging on the campaign trail so far offers several clues to what could play out onstage on Wednesday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They have shown they’re fond of critiquing each other’s resumes: Lurie may lump all the elected officials together and call them “insiders” who have ruined the city. Farrell, Peskin and Lurie may argue that Breed has had years to enact her vision and failed. Peskin might be attacked for his penchant for yelling at staffers in overnight phone calls. Farrell may draw fire \u003ca href=\"https://48hills.org/2024/06/farrell-complains-about-cuts-in-child-care-measure-that-he-tried-to-kill/\">for flipping to support a 2018 childcare tax measure that he previously opposed\u003c/a>. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Jane Natoli, organizing director of the pro-development group San Francisco YIMBY, is buying popcorn, gluten-free snacks and non-alcoholic drinks for a virtual watch party at the group’s regular meeting space in South of Market (though she won’t begrudge her members for bringing libations). Her members are watching with an eye toward making their endorsements, which carry weight among younger voters and people with urbanist values.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Every candidate except for Peskin — whose stance on new housing has irked the pro-development crowd — has met with SF YIMBY members to discuss their housing plans, but Natoli thinks there’s added value in the debate format. She’s particularly interested to hear if the candidates will commit to building more developments, more densely, on the city’s suburban west side to solve the housing crisis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So far, everyone’s tiptoed around that a little bit. Where are they going to stand? How are they going to differentiate themselves?” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Peskin recently \u003ca href=\"https://missionlocal.org/2024/06/confederacy-of-nimbys-cheer-peskin-criticize-melgar-on-housing/\">drew accolades from neighbors opposed to dense housing on the west side\u003c/a>, according to Mission Local, which may emerge as an attack from other candidates on stage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11989879\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11989879\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/06/240516-PoliticalBreakdownAhshaSafai-16-BL_qut-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supervisor Ahsha Safaí speaks with Marisa Lagos and Scott Shafer for Political Breakdown at KQED headquarters in San Francisco on May 16, 2024. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Nancy Tung, chair of the San Francisco Democratic Party, warned voters to ask themselves a few key questions when candidates profess grand ideas to move the city forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“How reasonable are the plans that they’ve laid out? Is that type of plan workable within the city bureaucracy? Is there funding for that?” she said. “It’s easier said than done, I think.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Multiple campaigns told KQED they’re deep in debate prep. Four of the candidates are regular public speakers in political life — at this point, they’re more focused on compressing their answers down to the one-minute allotment than they are on learning to speak more eloquently about their records. The night will be moderated by Manny Yekutiel, proprietor of the event space Manny’s and Heather Knight, \u003cem>The New York Times\u003c/em>’ San Francisco bureau chief.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The candidates’ messaging on the campaign trail so far offers several clues to what could play out onstage on Wednesday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They have shown they’re fond of critiquing each other’s resumes: Lurie may lump all the elected officials together and call them “insiders” who have ruined the city. Farrell, Peskin and Lurie may argue that Breed has had years to enact her vision and failed. Peskin might be attacked for his penchant for yelling at staffers in overnight phone calls. Farrell may draw fire \u003ca href=\"https://48hills.org/2024/06/farrell-complains-about-cuts-in-child-care-measure-that-he-tried-to-kill/\">for flipping to support a 2018 childcare tax measure that he previously opposed\u003c/a>. 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