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The Trump brief argues that the lower court has no jurisdiction over the state’s claims, saying the 9th Circuit’s decision prevents Breyer from weighing in more for now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At issue are 4,000 National Guard troops and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043453/trump-mobilizes-marines-for-duty-in-los-angeles\">700 U.S. Marines\u003c/a> called up by Trump earlier this month as immigration raids in L.A. sparked protests. The president said the troops were necessary to protect federal officials and property, while local and state officials called their deployment \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043548/california-asks-court-to-stop-national-guard-marines-from-patrolling-la-streets\">unnecessary, provocative and illegal\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12045585\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2221273521-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12045585\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2221273521-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1724\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2221273521-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2221273521-2000x1347.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2221273521-160x108.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2221273521-1536x1035.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2221273521-2048x1379.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mariachi musician Maricela Martinez performs towards U.S. Marines guarding a federal building during a protest by mariachi and folklorico dancers in response to immigration raids on June 20, 2025 in Los Angeles, California. \u003ccite>(Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lawyers for California say Breyer should now consider two questions not taken up in the appeals court ruling: how long the deployment of the National Guard can last, and whether that deployment violates an 1878 law, known as the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars using the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Deciding those issues would not ‘modify’ the TRO Order nor alter the ‘status quo’ between the parties with respect to the issues pending on appeal in the way that renewing or bolstering this Court’s order to de-federalize the Guard would,” the brief states. “Rather, the court would be ruling only on how the federal troops would be used for how long, and where — issues that the Ninth Circuit acknowledged are not now before the appellate court.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his initial restraining order, Breyer “explicitly declined” to consider California’s claims under the Posse Comitatus Act “until a more complete factual record could be developed,” the state noted. And the appeals court, the state wrote, recognized that California planned to continue pursuing that claim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California also contends that Breyer has jurisdiction to weigh in on how long the troops may stay deployed to L.A. because the appeals court decision was based on the facts on the ground weeks ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Although the Ninth Circuit held that, on the TRO record before it, conditions in and around the federal building in Los Angeles on June 6 and 7 likely satisfied Section 12406(3)’s factual predicate for federalization of National Guard units in the first place, the Ninth Circuit did not consider, nor did the parties present, the questions of how long such federalization is permissible in the face of changed circumstances or whether those federalized troops may be deployed in areas where those conditions never existed or have ceased to exist,” the state’s brief said.[aside postID=news_12045032 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/IMG_1050-2000x1500.jpg']California wants Breyer to allow the state to conduct “limited discovery,” including deposing the acting ICE field office director in L.A. and a U.S. Army major general.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Trump brief argues that the district court has no jurisdiction over the Posse Comitatus claim, saying the 9th Circuit’s decision “logically forecloses” California’s claim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The administration is arguing that since the appeals court allowed Trump to federalize the National Guard, those troops are allowed to enforce the law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Given the Ninth Circuit’s finding, it would be illogical to hold that, although the President can call up the National Guard when he is unable ‘with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States,’ the Guard, once federalized, is forbidden from ‘execut[ing] the laws,’” the brief states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The administration also argues that the court shouldn’t take up the question of how long the troops will stay under federal control, saying that there’s no limit in federal law over how long the president can federalize the Guard and that the courts should defer to the president’s authority when considering the question. Attorneys for the Trump administration also argue that the question is premature.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is no basis now to challenge the determination to initially set a 60-day timeframe on the duration of the deployment, particularly when the initial 60-day time frame has not yet elapsed and the actual duration is unknown at present,” the brief states.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They end by arguing that the state has no persuasive reason to question the use of the military, which they insist is necessary for immigration enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer will now consider both sides’ arguments and rule in the coming days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cp>Armed military troops will \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12045178/trump-can-keep-troops-in-la-for-now-appeals-court-rules\">remain in Los Angeles\u003c/a> and under President Donald Trump’s command for now after a federal judge delayed a hearing Friday in California’s case challenging his authority to dispatch them in response to immigration protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer asked lawyers for the federal government and the state of California to submit legal arguments by Monday on how the case should proceed, after an appeals court sided with Trump and blocked an earlier ruling of Breyer’s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Late Thursday, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals stayed — or suspended — Breyer’s June 12 temporary restraining order that had directed Trump to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043920/judge-weighs-californias-lawsuit-over-trumps-troop-deployment-in-la\">hand back control\u003c/a> of the 4,000 California National Guard troops to Gov. Gavin Newsom. In its ruling, the 9th Circuit panel wrote that the restraining order was essentially a preliminary injunction, which Breyer said made his Friday hearing moot since it had initially been scheduled to weigh whether to grant a preliminary injunction.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The appeals court panel, made up of two judges appointed by Trump and one appointed by former President Joe Biden, ruled that the White House was likely to succeed on the merits of its case. Although the panel rejected the federal government’s argument that the courts should not even be considering the case, it wrote that any judicial review must be “highly deferential.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The panel also said Trump “likely” acted within his authority when he invoked a rarely used legal provision that allows a president to deploy federal service members if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12044094\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2218796587-scaled-e1750446347200.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12044094\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2218796587-scaled-e1750446347200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The California National Guard stands guard as protesters clash with law enforcement in downtown Los Angeles at the Metropolitan Detention Center due to the immigration raids that roiled LA on Sunday, June 8, 2025 in Los Angeles. \u003ccite>(Jason Armond/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>However, the appeals panel made clear that its decision only addresses whether the president had the authority to call up the troops and does not yet consider what those troops are allowed to do on the streets of L.A. And it did not address one of California’s main legal claims: that the president’s actions violate an 1878 law, known as the Posse Comitatus Act, which bars using the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer asked lawyers for both sides to submit written arguments by Monday at noon on whether he has the authority to modify the appeals court ruling based on the Posse Comitatus Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Depending on what you say, because I am actually interested in what authority I have, I will decide what to do next,” Breyer said. “Maybe I’ll have a hearing, maybe I won’t — I don’t know. You will tell me what to do. … My guess is you might disagree.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Supervising Deputy Attorney General Jane Reilley also asked the court to consider whether there are any limits on how long the state National Guard troops can be federalized.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Friday’s hearing was initially scheduled so Breyer could consider California’s request for the court to hand \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043548/california-asks-court-to-stop-national-guard-marines-from-patrolling-la-streets\">control of the National Guard troops\u003c/a> back to Newsom and bar the federal government from using the remaining troops to conduct any law enforcement against civilians.\u003cbr>\n[aside postID=news_12045178 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/060825-SEIU-ICE-Protest-TS-29_qed.jpg']The White House has repeatedly insisted that the troops are there solely to protect federal property and personnel, not to police civilians. Newsom and California Attorney General Rob Bonta called the mobilization an illegal breach of state sovereignty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer had sided with the state last week in ruling that Trump did not follow procedures set out by Congress when he federalized the troops without telling Newsom, issuing the order through the California Guard’s adjutant general instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the appeals court ruled that Trump “likely met the procedural requirement” by telling the general because he is “an agent” of the governor, and judges noted that the law does not afford Newsom veto power over the president’s federalization decisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court also said that “irreparable harm and the public interest” is on the president’s side due to the need to protect federal agents and property.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump began calling up troops June 7, eventually mobilizing 4,000 National Guard troops and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043453/trump-mobilizes-marines-for-duty-in-los-angeles\">700 U.S. Marines\u003c/a> to respond to protests in and around L.A. that broke out in response to immigration deportation raids. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043314/california-to-sue-trump-for-sending-national-guard-troops-into-la-after-ice-protests\">California sued\u003c/a>, arguing that the mobilization was illegal because the state did not request or consent to the military deployment. Under ordinary circumstances, National Guard troops are under the command of state governors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12044826\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12044826\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-2000x1333.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A police officer holds a nonlethal rifle as protesters confront California National Guard soldiers and police outside of a federal building as protests continue in Los Angeles following 3 days of clashes with police after a series of immigration raids on June 9, 2025 in Los Angeles. \u003ccite>(Photo by David McNew/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After the appeals court ruled Thursday, both sides claimed victory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“BIG WIN in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on the President’s core power to call in the National Guard!” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “The Judges obviously realized that Gavin Newscum is incompetent and ill prepared, but this is much bigger than Gavin, because all over the United States, if our Cities, and our people, need protection, we are the ones to give it to them should State and Local Police be unable, for whatever reason, to get the job done.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom, however, noted that the appeals court rebuffed the president’s argument that the courts didn’t have the right to review the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The court rightly rejected Trump’s claim that he can do whatever he wants with the National Guard and not have to explain himself to a court. The President is not a king and is not above the law. We will press forward with our challenge to President Trump’s authoritarian use of U.S. military soldiers against citizens,” Newsom said in a statement Thursday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Later Friday, Vice President J.D. Vance will be in L.A. to visit with the troops deployed there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>The White House has repeatedly insisted that the troops are there solely to protect federal property and personnel, not to police civilians. Newsom and California Attorney General Rob Bonta called the mobilization an illegal breach of state sovereignty.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer had sided with the state last week in ruling that Trump did not follow procedures set out by Congress when he federalized the troops without telling Newsom, issuing the order through the California Guard’s adjutant general instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the appeals court ruled that Trump “likely met the procedural requirement” by telling the general because he is “an agent” of the governor, and judges noted that the law does not afford Newsom veto power over the president’s federalization decisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court also said that “irreparable harm and the public interest” is on the president’s side due to the need to protect federal agents and property.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump began calling up troops June 7, eventually mobilizing 4,000 National Guard troops and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043453/trump-mobilizes-marines-for-duty-in-los-angeles\">700 U.S. Marines\u003c/a> to respond to protests in and around L.A. that broke out in response to immigration deportation raids. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043314/california-to-sue-trump-for-sending-national-guard-troops-into-la-after-ice-protests\">California sued\u003c/a>, arguing that the mobilization was illegal because the state did not request or consent to the military deployment. Under ordinary circumstances, National Guard troops are under the command of state governors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12044826\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12044826\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-2000x1333.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GettyImages-2219434485-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A police officer holds a nonlethal rifle as protesters confront California National Guard soldiers and police outside of a federal building as protests continue in Los Angeles following 3 days of clashes with police after a series of immigration raids on June 9, 2025 in Los Angeles. \u003ccite>(Photo by David McNew/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After the appeals court ruled Thursday, both sides claimed victory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“BIG WIN in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on the President’s core power to call in the National Guard!” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “The Judges obviously realized that Gavin Newscum is incompetent and ill prepared, but this is much bigger than Gavin, because all over the United States, if our Cities, and our people, need protection, we are the ones to give it to them should State and Local Police be unable, for whatever reason, to get the job done.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom, however, noted that the appeals court rebuffed the president’s argument that the courts didn’t have the right to review the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The court rightly rejected Trump’s claim that he can do whatever he wants with the National Guard and not have to explain himself to a court. The President is not a king and is not above the law. We will press forward with our challenge to President Trump’s authoritarian use of U.S. military soldiers against citizens,” Newsom said in a statement Thursday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Later Friday, Vice President J.D. Vance will be in L.A. to visit with the troops deployed there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated 3:05 p.m. Tuesday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals appeared skeptical Tuesday of California’s arguments that the courts should second-guess President Trump’s recent decision to seize control of the California National Guard and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043548/california-asks-court-to-stop-national-guard-marines-from-patrolling-la-streets\">send thousands of armed troops\u003c/a> into Los Angeles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The court did not immediately issue a ruling.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tuesday afternoon’s hearing comes five days after U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043935/how-solid-is-californias-legal-case-against-trump-deploying-troops-to-la\">ordered Trump to return control\u003c/a> of the 4,000 California National Guard troops to Gov. Gavin Newsom. Within hours of Breyer issuing that temporary restraining order, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043920/judge-weighs-californias-lawsuit-over-trumps-troop-deployment-in-la\">the appeals court blocked the ruling\u003c/a> and scheduled Tuesday’s hearing to consider its legality.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The appeals court panel is made up of two Trump appointees, Judges Mark Bennett and Eric Miller, and Judge Jennifer Sung, who was appointed by former President Joe Biden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Much of the hourlong hearing focused on the Trump administration’s contention that the courts shouldn’t be involved at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Is it the United States’ position that the court has no role at all in reviewing what the president has done in calling forth the militia?” Bennett asked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assistant Attorney General Brett Shumate responded yes, that the law giving the president this power is “unreviewable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10875038\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10875038\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit.jpg\" alt=\"The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1283\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-400x267.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-800x535.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-1180x789.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-960x642.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The court should immediately stay the District Court’s extraordinary order, because it interferes with the president’s commander-in-chief powers based on an erroneous interpretation of the applicable statute,” Shumate said. “It upends the military chain of command. It gives state governors veto power over the president’s military orders. It puts [federal] judges on a collision course with the commander-in-chief. And it endangers lives.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Supervising Deputy Solicitor General Sam Harbourt, however, urged the court not to embrace what he framed as a “highly deferential, essentially unchecked view of authority.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t have a problem with according the president some level of appropriate deference based upon his experience implementing federal law,” he said. “The problem as we see it is that there’s really nothing to defer to here, because … defendants made no attempt whatsoever to provide argument or evidence that they even contemplated more modest measures to the extreme response of calling in the National Guard and militarizing the situation.”[aside postID=news_12044570 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GETTYIMAGES-1243313067-KQED.jpg']But Bennett seemed wary of that argument. Even if he were to agree that the courts have the authority to review Trump’s decision, the judge asked, where in the law does it say that the courts should weigh whether the president considered lesser measures?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s unusual for an appeals court to block a temporary restraining order, but the case poses extraordinary questions about executive power, national security and how and when military troops can police civilian communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump’s mobilization of the guard came after \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043221/protesters-and-immigration-authorities-face-off-for-a-2nd-day-in-la-area-after-arrests\">protests broke out\u003c/a> in and around Los Angeles on June 6, in reaction to his administration’s increasingly aggressive deportation efforts. It marked the first time since the 1960s Civil Rights Movement that a president seized control of a state’s National Guard without consulting the state’s governor; in that case, President Lyndon B. Johnson commanded the troops to protect protesters marching in Alabama.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In mobilizing the National Guard, Trump declared the immigration protests “a form of rebellion against the authority of the government.” He later called up \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043453/trump-mobilizes-marines-for-duty-in-los-angeles\">700 U.S. Marines\u003c/a> as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 9th Circuit panel has a number of options: It could affirm Breyer’s ruling, vacate it entirely, modify it, or delay a decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his 36-page ruling last week, Breyer concluded that the president did not follow procedures set out by Congress when he federalized the troops without telling Newsom, and that the president also erred by labeling the protests a rebellion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043426\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12043426 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1491\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-160x119.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-1536x1145.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. Gavin Newsom (right) speaks as Attorney General Rob Bonta looks on during a news conference on April 16, 2025, in Ceres, California. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“His actions were illegal — both exceeding the scope of his statutory authority and violating the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution,” Breyer wrote. “He must therefore return control of the California National Guard to the governor of the state of California forthwith.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In court last week, Breyer bristled at the federal government’s argument that the case shouldn’t be reviewable by the courts, noting that the U.S. was “founded in response to a monarch.” And he warned in his ruling that Trump’s actions federalizing the National Guard “threatens serious injury to the constitutional balance of power between the federal and state governments, and it sets a dangerous precedent for future domestic military activity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Critics have warned that if the courts allow the president to use troops in California, Trump won’t stop there. In the memo declaring the immigration protests a rebellion, the president did not name California or L.A., potentially leaving the door open to future deployment of troops in other cities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California’s case is being supported by Democratic leaders in 22 other states, including 21 attorneys general and the Kansas governor, as well as a group of eight retired military officers. In a court filing, the group of four-star admirals and generals and former Army and Navy secretaries filed a brief in support of California’s position, arguing that deploying the National Guard and Marines “poses multiple risks to the core mission” of both branches and the troops’ well-being.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They wrote that the deployment diverts the troops from their primary mission, that they are not trained to conduct domestic law enforcement operations and that the “use of federal military personnel in the context of law enforcement operations should be a last resort to avoid the politicization of the military, which inevitably erodes public trust, impacts recruitment and undermines troop morale.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043446\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043446\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-2000x1333.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">National Guard members stand guard near the metropolitan detention center Monday, June 9, 2025, in downtown Los Angeles. \u003ccite>(Eric Thayer/AP Photo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“A bedrock principle of American democracy is that our military is apolitical,” the brief states. “Particular caution is therefore necessary if the U.S. military is to be deployed domestically in the context of a politically charged situation. This is especially so in situations that involve political protests and citizens exercising their First Amendment rights, which members of the United States armed forces are sworn to uphold. It is essential that such deployments be a last resort, especially in the context of policing protests and other constitutionally protected speech and activities.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom has also argued that using the National Guard for this purpose is hurting California by diverting the troops from important assignments, including fentanyl enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border and preventing and fighting wildfires. On Tuesday, the governor’s office said the guard’s firefighting force, normally made up of more than 300 members, has lost more than half of its team, just as “peak wildfire season” approaches.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a conversation on Substack shortly before the Tuesday hearing began, Newsom said democratic principles are at stake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[If] Donald Trump can unilaterally decide to militarize the streets of America — it happens to be in L.A., now, it will be in your city next,” Newsom said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not clear how the 9th Circuit will handle this case. Since the appeals court agreed to take the case, its decision could theoretically be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court by either party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, both sides will continue briefing the lower court on California’s request that Breyer go further and issue a preliminary injunction in the case. A hearing is scheduled for Friday on that request. Over the weekend, Breyer denied the White House’s motion to delay it, writing that it would be counterproductive and that the facts on the ground continue to change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The appeals court panel is made up of two Trump appointees, Judges Mark Bennett and Eric Miller, and Judge Jennifer Sung, who was appointed by former President Joe Biden.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Much of the hourlong hearing focused on the Trump administration’s contention that the courts shouldn’t be involved at all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Is it the United States’ position that the court has no role at all in reviewing what the president has done in calling forth the militia?” Bennett asked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assistant Attorney General Brett Shumate responded yes, that the law giving the president this power is “unreviewable.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10875038\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10875038\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit.jpg\" alt=\"The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1283\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-400x267.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-800x535.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-1180x789.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/02/9thcircuit-960x642.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The court should immediately stay the District Court’s extraordinary order, because it interferes with the president’s commander-in-chief powers based on an erroneous interpretation of the applicable statute,” Shumate said. “It upends the military chain of command. It gives state governors veto power over the president’s military orders. It puts [federal] judges on a collision course with the commander-in-chief. And it endangers lives.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Supervising Deputy Solicitor General Sam Harbourt, however, urged the court not to embrace what he framed as a “highly deferential, essentially unchecked view of authority.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We don’t have a problem with according the president some level of appropriate deference based upon his experience implementing federal law,” he said. “The problem as we see it is that there’s really nothing to defer to here, because … defendants made no attempt whatsoever to provide argument or evidence that they even contemplated more modest measures to the extreme response of calling in the National Guard and militarizing the situation.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>But Bennett seemed wary of that argument. Even if he were to agree that the courts have the authority to review Trump’s decision, the judge asked, where in the law does it say that the courts should weigh whether the president considered lesser measures?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s unusual for an appeals court to block a temporary restraining order, but the case poses extraordinary questions about executive power, national security and how and when military troops can police civilian communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump’s mobilization of the guard came after \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043221/protesters-and-immigration-authorities-face-off-for-a-2nd-day-in-la-area-after-arrests\">protests broke out\u003c/a> in and around Los Angeles on June 6, in reaction to his administration’s increasingly aggressive deportation efforts. It marked the first time since the 1960s Civil Rights Movement that a president seized control of a state’s National Guard without consulting the state’s governor; in that case, President Lyndon B. Johnson commanded the troops to protect protesters marching in Alabama.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In mobilizing the National Guard, Trump declared the immigration protests “a form of rebellion against the authority of the government.” He later called up \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043453/trump-mobilizes-marines-for-duty-in-los-angeles\">700 U.S. Marines\u003c/a> as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 9th Circuit panel has a number of options: It could affirm Breyer’s ruling, vacate it entirely, modify it, or delay a decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In his 36-page ruling last week, Breyer concluded that the president did not follow procedures set out by Congress when he federalized the troops without telling Newsom, and that the president also erred by labeling the protests a rebellion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043426\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12043426 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1491\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-160x119.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-1536x1145.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. Gavin Newsom (right) speaks as Attorney General Rob Bonta looks on during a news conference on April 16, 2025, in Ceres, California. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“His actions were illegal — both exceeding the scope of his statutory authority and violating the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution,” Breyer wrote. “He must therefore return control of the California National Guard to the governor of the state of California forthwith.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In court last week, Breyer bristled at the federal government’s argument that the case shouldn’t be reviewable by the courts, noting that the U.S. was “founded in response to a monarch.” And he warned in his ruling that Trump’s actions federalizing the National Guard “threatens serious injury to the constitutional balance of power between the federal and state governments, and it sets a dangerous precedent for future domestic military activity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Critics have warned that if the courts allow the president to use troops in California, Trump won’t stop there. In the memo declaring the immigration protests a rebellion, the president did not name California or L.A., potentially leaving the door open to future deployment of troops in other cities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California’s case is being supported by Democratic leaders in 22 other states, including 21 attorneys general and the Kansas governor, as well as a group of eight retired military officers. In a court filing, the group of four-star admirals and generals and former Army and Navy secretaries filed a brief in support of California’s position, arguing that deploying the National Guard and Marines “poses multiple risks to the core mission” of both branches and the troops’ well-being.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They wrote that the deployment diverts the troops from their primary mission, that they are not trained to conduct domestic law enforcement operations and that the “use of federal military personnel in the context of law enforcement operations should be a last resort to avoid the politicization of the military, which inevitably erodes public trust, impacts recruitment and undermines troop morale.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043446\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043446\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-2000x1333.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">National Guard members stand guard near the metropolitan detention center Monday, June 9, 2025, in downtown Los Angeles. \u003ccite>(Eric Thayer/AP Photo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“A bedrock principle of American democracy is that our military is apolitical,” the brief states. “Particular caution is therefore necessary if the U.S. military is to be deployed domestically in the context of a politically charged situation. This is especially so in situations that involve political protests and citizens exercising their First Amendment rights, which members of the United States armed forces are sworn to uphold. It is essential that such deployments be a last resort, especially in the context of policing protests and other constitutionally protected speech and activities.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom has also argued that using the National Guard for this purpose is hurting California by diverting the troops from important assignments, including fentanyl enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border and preventing and fighting wildfires. On Tuesday, the governor’s office said the guard’s firefighting force, normally made up of more than 300 members, has lost more than half of its team, just as “peak wildfire season” approaches.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a conversation on Substack shortly before the Tuesday hearing began, Newsom said democratic principles are at stake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“[If] Donald Trump can unilaterally decide to militarize the streets of America — it happens to be in L.A., now, it will be in your city next,” Newsom said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not clear how the 9th Circuit will handle this case. Since the appeals court agreed to take the case, its decision could theoretically be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court by either party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, both sides will continue briefing the lower court on California’s request that Breyer go further and issue a preliminary injunction in the case. A hearing is scheduled for Friday on that request. Over the weekend, Breyer denied the White House’s motion to delay it, writing that it would be counterproductive and that the facts on the ground continue to change.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Masked federal officers, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043596/protesters-swarm-sf-immigration-court-after-more-ice-arrests\">descending on workplaces and immigration courts\u003c/a> in dramatic scenes across the country, have drawn comparisons to secret police in authoritarian regimes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But under a new state bill from two Bay Area lawmakers, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officers and others would have to identify themselves while working in California. The legislation introduced Monday by state Sens. Scott Wiener (D–San Francisco) and Jesse Arreguín (D–Berkeley) would prevent police at all levels from covering their faces with masks or balaclavas while working — and would require them to be identifiable via uniform.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We are seeing more and more law enforcement officers, particularly at the federal level, be in our community covering their faces entirely, not identifying themselves at all,” Wiener said at a press conference at San Francisco City Hall. “You can’t tell — are these law enforcement officers or a vigilante militia?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Senate Bill 627, dubbed the No Secret Police Act, comes as tensions have escalated between the state and the Trump administration, which has vowed to carry out the \u003ca href=\"https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114690267066155731\">largest deportation\u003c/a> campaign in U.S. history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No specific federal law requires law enforcement to wear uniforms or show their faces during arrests. Meanwhile, images of masked ICE agents forcing people into unmarked police vans have proliferated on social media, catalyzing debate over whether such arrest tactics are a form of intimidation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12023544\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12023544\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/250122-OaklandImmigrants-22-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/250122-OaklandImmigrants-22-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/250122-OaklandImmigrants-22-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/250122-OaklandImmigrants-22-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/250122-OaklandImmigrants-22-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/250122-OaklandImmigrants-22-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/01/250122-OaklandImmigrants-22-BL-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sen. 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But in an emailed statement, an ICE spokesperson maintained that masks and other anonymizing practices are essential to prevent “doxxing,” or the collection of someone’s information online to shame or harass them, following high-profile ICE raids in Los Angeles and the mass protests that followed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement fully respects the Constitutional rights of all people to express their opinions peacefully,” the statement said. “That being said, ICE remains committed to performing its immigration enforcement mission professionally in a manner consistent with federal law and agency policy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recently, a North Texas man was charged in federal court for threatening to shoot and kill ICE agents on April 7, the spokesperson added.[aside postID=news_12044206 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250608-ICE-OUT-OF-THE-BAY-AC-04-KQED.jpg']In San Francisco, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12042197/an-sf-journalist-took-photos-of-ice-officers-then-he-was-asked-to-blur-their-faces\">ICE has requested journalists blur officers’ faces\u003c/a> after a \u003cem>San Francisco Standard\u003c/em> reporter took cellphone images of arrests outside immigration court and published those images.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Critics have been quick to point out what they say is hypocrisy surrounding ICE officers’ tendency to wear masks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On June 8, President Trump posted on his social media platform \u003ca href=\"https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114646378582957392\">Truth Social\u003c/a> that protesters should not be allowed to wear masks, asking, “What do these people have to hide, and why?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His administration has also criticized student protesters for wearing masks while protesting the war in Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Masked immigration officers can create a lot of “confusion,” the state lawmakers behind the new bill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is critically important that people know who they’re interacting with and that they’re interacting with actual law enforcement officers,” Wiener said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, a federal bill introduced in Congress this month by Rep. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>In San Francisco, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12042197/an-sf-journalist-took-photos-of-ice-officers-then-he-was-asked-to-blur-their-faces\">ICE has requested journalists blur officers’ faces\u003c/a> after a \u003cem>San Francisco Standard\u003c/em> reporter took cellphone images of arrests outside immigration court and published those images.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Critics have been quick to point out what they say is hypocrisy surrounding ICE officers’ tendency to wear masks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On June 8, President Trump posted on his social media platform \u003ca href=\"https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114646378582957392\">Truth Social\u003c/a> that protesters should not be allowed to wear masks, asking, “What do these people have to hide, and why?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His administration has also criticized student protesters for wearing masks while protesting the war in Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Masked immigration officers can create a lot of “confusion,” the state lawmakers behind the new bill said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is critically important that people know who they’re interacting with and that they’re interacting with actual law enforcement officers,” Wiener said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meanwhile, a federal bill introduced in Congress this month by Rep. Mike Thompson (D–St. Helena) would prohibit immigration officers from wearing clothing that \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12044352/proposed-legislation-would-prohibit-immigration-officials-from-posing-as-police\">bears the word “police.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to the National Immigrant Justice Center, immigration enforcement will often introduce themselves as police officers even though they are not legally considered to be so. That can confuse immigrant communities and sour the relationship with local police, Thompson argued.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>News of the California bill also followed what authorities have labeled a political assassination in Minnesota by a man posing as a police officer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vance Boelter, 57, is accused of targeting two politicians, fatally shooting Democratic Rep. Melissa Holtman and her husband, Mark. Boelter currently faces federal murder charges for the attacks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some critics have raised concerns that immigration officers operating in masks and unmarked vehicles could sow distrust and make it easier for bad actors to pose as law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>Surprisingly, the fierce Santa Ana winds that whipped the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/wildfires\">Palisades and Eaton fires\u003c/a> into deadly infernos in January \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12038756/an-historic-altadena-church-lost-to-the-eaton-fire-begins-the-long-journey-to-resurrection\">spared many precious things\u003c/a> you’d think would have been the first to burn: old family photos, kids’ art, postcards, yearbook pages and even old sheet music.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Claire Schwartz, an Altadena resident, has made it her mission to help reunite those keepsakes with their owners.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On a recent morning, Schwartz stopped by a home in North Pasadena, where Nina Raj gingerly handed her a folded piece of paper. Schwartz carefully slipped it inside a plastic bag.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The treasure? A two-sided drawing that Raj found in her backyard after the fire. A crayon sketch of thick intersecting lines, a red and brown stick figure and a couple of abstract little squiggles in black. On one side, the word “Adonis” appeared. On the other: “Joseph.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Raj is one of many\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12033286/in-fire-scarred-altadena-these-residents-refused-to-leave\"> Altadena and Pasadena residents\u003c/a> who’ve contacted Schwartz about keepsakes they’ve found, after seeing Instagram posts on her \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/eatonfirefoundphotos/?hl=en\">Eaton Fire Found Photos page\u003c/a>, launched just days after the fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042580\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 1170px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042580\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1170\" height=\"1525\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg 1170w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-800x1043.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1020x1329.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-160x209.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1170px) 100vw, 1170px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A social media post from Claire Schwartz’s Eaton Fire Found Photos project. \u003ccite>(Via Facebook)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“People … just message me and say ‘Hey, I found this,’ and we schedule a time for me to come by and pick it up,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most of what Schwartz has rescued are precious family photos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I clean [them], put [them] in a nice safe glassine envelope, acid free, so nothing affects the integrity of the photograph, then I post it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After several days, Schwartz was able to locate Adonis, the artist, who turned out to be a kindergartener. The owner of Side Pie, a Grateful Dead-themed pizzeria destroyed in the fire, saw Schwartz’s social media post and remembered that his daughter went to school with a kid named Adonis. It was a match.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz was able to track down both Adonis and Joseph, the recipient of Adonis’s drawing. Great news, offset with some bad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Adonis, the artist, his family home burned (down). Joseph’s [family’s] home is still there. But they’re in the process of remediation, so everyone’s displaced,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The communication underscored the precarious living situations many Altadena residents now find themselves in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m in touch with both moms. They want to get together, they want the artwork back, but they’re so far away it’s just really hard to find a time to meet,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz and her partner live in South Altadena, not far from the Pasadena border. Their home survived, but many others on their block did not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Walk north for a few minutes, and you’ll find entire square blocks with only chimneys, piles of rubble and crews clearing burned-out lots.[aside postID=news_12038756 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/METTE.LAMPCOV.CHURCH.BELL-22-KQED-1020x680.jpg']But somehow, through all this, scores of old snapshots and other fragile keepsakes, like the drawing found by Raj, did not burn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz’s social media posts, which seek the owners of lost photos, sometimes amplify other, more old-school ways of searching.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like a flyer Matthew Weiss stapled to a telephone pole in the middle of the fire zone. It showed a series of five family photos found in a parking lot of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12038756/an-historic-altadena-church-lost-to-the-eaton-fire-begins-the-long-journey-to-resurrection\">Saint Mark’s Episcopal Church, which was also destroyed in the fires. The flier also included \u003c/a>a brief message with a local phone number: “Found after Eaton Fire, looking for owner, please call.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Weiss is a photojournalist from San Diego who grew up in Altadena. His parents were out of town when the Eaton Fire broke out, so he raced up north to check on their place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once he secured the house, Weiss hiked up into the burn zone on foot with his cameras and photographed the smoldering ruins of his former grade school, Saint Mark’s Elementary. He helped some strangers douse spot fires on the campus and later returned to the site with his fiancée.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We just started walking around the perimeter of the school, and she saw a photo [on the ground],” Weiss said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042585\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042585\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Some of the lost photos, may of them damaged, that strangers were able to return to Houri Marganian via the Eaton Fire Found Photos project. \u003ccite>(Steven Cuevas for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“That’s brilliant,” he remembered telling her. “We should look for more stuff! Let’s see what we can find, maybe we can get them back to the owners.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The couple found even more personal photos along with a collage of Saint Mark’s students, the church’s gas bill and scorched pages from \u003cem>Aesop’s Fables\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With Schwartz’s help, they figured out that the photos belonged to a family who lost them in the mad scramble to evacuate. Schwartz then returned the old photographs to the family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“With each photo I find, I just keep thinking about the person who it belongs to, and what they must be experiencing, what they must be feeling right now,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Houri Marganian and her family were among the first to witness the explosive ferocity of the Eaton Fire. They live in a secluded foothill neighborhood, only about a mile east of where the fire ignited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the sun setting and the winds howling on Jan. 7, they raced out of their neighborhood believing they’d never see their home again. They hastily stuffed Marganian’s collection of thousands of family photos, neatly organized in about a dozen boxes, into the trunk of her husband’s car.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042584\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042584\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Houri Marganian holds a photograph of herself as a child in Lebanon, where she grew up. \u003ccite>(Steven Cuevas for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“He left the neighborhood, [then] the trunk popped open,” Marganian said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The boxes tumbled out, and the ferocious winds did the rest, scattering decades of non-digitized photos in all directions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was trying to collect them with my 12-year-old as the wind was blowing, suffocating us with the smoke, and we could see the embers coming down,” Marganian said. “Everything was happening so fast because of the wind.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They gathered just a fraction of the photos before they had to keep moving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At first, Marganian considered posting something online about the lost pictures. But after seeing the full extent of the devastation in Altadena and receiving confirmation that her own home survived, the photos seemed less important.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, she began getting some very surprising text messages.[aside postID=news_12033286 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/20250312_Stay-Behinds_JB_00010-1020x680.jpg']“Someone has your pictures up on their social media,“ Marganian said. “Random pictures like honeymoon pictures, pregnancy pictures, dating pictures.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Through Schwartz, about a half dozen people have returned photos to the Marganian family so far. Some of the prints she got back, including images of her childhood in Lebanon, were damaged by smoke, soot and car tires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even though she’s only gotten back about 200 of the thousands of photos she lost that night, Marganian is grateful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I met some great people through this whole experience, and I’m just glad our house is here,” Marganian said. “My heart goes out to the ones that weren’t as fortunate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz’s project isn’t the first to create art or photography out of the devastation of wildfire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042582\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042582\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Houri Marganian holds a photograph, damaged in the Eaton Fire, of herself and a friend. \u003ccite>(Steven Cuevas for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Norma Quintana, a photographer based in Napa, said the wind helped save treasured objects during the\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11741498/a-third-of-homes-lost-in-2017-tubbs-fire-now-under-construction\"> 2017 Tubbs Fire\u003c/a>, which destroyed her family’s house.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The wind was a gift,” Quintana said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To cope with the grief and trauma, Quintana spent weeks sifting through the ashes of her property and painstakingly photographing things that survived, or barely survived. The work evolved into an exhibit of photographs and blackened keepsakes called\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13813058/a-photographer-turns-the-lens-on-her-own-homes-charred-remains\"> Forage from Fire\u003c/a>, shown in museums across the U.S. and Mexico.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She sees a kind of magic in the Eaton Fire Found Photos project.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=news_12034277 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250328_Zorthian-Ranch_SK_17-1020x680.jpg']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It doesn’t matter what shape [a photo or letter is] in,” Quintana said. “What’s important is that it holds an emotional connection. The fire may affect the physical part of that object, but it doesn’t take away the memory.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those fleeting moments, captured on film in a split second, can remind us of a childhood experience, a lost love or a beloved relative.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The photo really is the most tangible connection,” Schwartz said. “It’s the closest we can get to kind of going back in time and revisiting a precious moment in our life.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz feels like she’s doing something productive for her neighbors, who may be feeling powerless or overwhelmed in the fire’s aftermath.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s not putting a roof over anybody’s head, but it maybe is bringing back a little bit of normalcy or comfort to somebody who might really need it,” she said. “That’s been helpful, feeling like I can help somebody else right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The treasure? A two-sided drawing that Raj found in her backyard after the fire. A crayon sketch of thick intersecting lines, a red and brown stick figure and a couple of abstract little squiggles in black. On one side, the word “Adonis” appeared. On the other: “Joseph.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Raj is one of many\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12033286/in-fire-scarred-altadena-these-residents-refused-to-leave\"> Altadena and Pasadena residents\u003c/a> who’ve contacted Schwartz about keepsakes they’ve found, after seeing Instagram posts on her \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/eatonfirefoundphotos/?hl=en\">Eaton Fire Found Photos page\u003c/a>, launched just days after the fire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042580\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 1170px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042580\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1170\" height=\"1525\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg 1170w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-800x1043.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1020x1329.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/A-SOCIAL-MEDIA-POST-FROM-CLAIRE-SCHWARTZ_S-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-160x209.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1170px) 100vw, 1170px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A social media post from Claire Schwartz’s Eaton Fire Found Photos project. \u003ccite>(Via Facebook)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“People … just message me and say ‘Hey, I found this,’ and we schedule a time for me to come by and pick it up,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most of what Schwartz has rescued are precious family photos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I clean [them], put [them] in a nice safe glassine envelope, acid free, so nothing affects the integrity of the photograph, then I post it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After several days, Schwartz was able to locate Adonis, the artist, who turned out to be a kindergartener. The owner of Side Pie, a Grateful Dead-themed pizzeria destroyed in the fire, saw Schwartz’s social media post and remembered that his daughter went to school with a kid named Adonis. It was a match.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz was able to track down both Adonis and Joseph, the recipient of Adonis’s drawing. Great news, offset with some bad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Adonis, the artist, his family home burned (down). Joseph’s [family’s] home is still there. But they’re in the process of remediation, so everyone’s displaced,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The communication underscored the precarious living situations many Altadena residents now find themselves in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m in touch with both moms. They want to get together, they want the artwork back, but they’re so far away it’s just really hard to find a time to meet,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz and her partner live in South Altadena, not far from the Pasadena border. Their home survived, but many others on their block did not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Walk north for a few minutes, and you’ll find entire square blocks with only chimneys, piles of rubble and crews clearing burned-out lots.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>But somehow, through all this, scores of old snapshots and other fragile keepsakes, like the drawing found by Raj, did not burn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz’s social media posts, which seek the owners of lost photos, sometimes amplify other, more old-school ways of searching.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Like a flyer Matthew Weiss stapled to a telephone pole in the middle of the fire zone. It showed a series of five family photos found in a parking lot of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12038756/an-historic-altadena-church-lost-to-the-eaton-fire-begins-the-long-journey-to-resurrection\">Saint Mark’s Episcopal Church, which was also destroyed in the fires. The flier also included \u003c/a>a brief message with a local phone number: “Found after Eaton Fire, looking for owner, please call.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Weiss is a photojournalist from San Diego who grew up in Altadena. His parents were out of town when the Eaton Fire broke out, so he raced up north to check on their place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once he secured the house, Weiss hiked up into the burn zone on foot with his cameras and photographed the smoldering ruins of his former grade school, Saint Mark’s Elementary. He helped some strangers douse spot fires on the campus and later returned to the site with his fiancée.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We just started walking around the perimeter of the school, and she saw a photo [on the ground],” Weiss said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042585\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042585\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/SOME-OF-THE-LOST-PHOTOS-MAY-OF-THEM-DAMAGED-THAT-STRANGERS-WERE-ABLE-TO-RETURN-TO-HOURI-MARGANIAN-VIA-THE-EATON-FIRE-FOUND-PHOTOS-PROJECT-KQED-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Some of the lost photos, may of them damaged, that strangers were able to return to Houri Marganian via the Eaton Fire Found Photos project. \u003ccite>(Steven Cuevas for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“That’s brilliant,” he remembered telling her. “We should look for more stuff! Let’s see what we can find, maybe we can get them back to the owners.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The couple found even more personal photos along with a collage of Saint Mark’s students, the church’s gas bill and scorched pages from \u003cem>Aesop’s Fables\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With Schwartz’s help, they figured out that the photos belonged to a family who lost them in the mad scramble to evacuate. Schwartz then returned the old photographs to the family.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“With each photo I find, I just keep thinking about the person who it belongs to, and what they must be experiencing, what they must be feeling right now,” Schwartz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Houri Marganian and her family were among the first to witness the explosive ferocity of the Eaton Fire. They live in a secluded foothill neighborhood, only about a mile east of where the fire ignited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With the sun setting and the winds howling on Jan. 7, they raced out of their neighborhood believing they’d never see their home again. They hastily stuffed Marganian’s collection of thousands of family photos, neatly organized in about a dozen boxes, into the trunk of her husband’s car.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042584\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042584\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN_S-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-OF-HERSELF-AS-A-CHILD-IN-LEBANON-WHERE-SHE-GREW-UP-KQED-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Houri Marganian holds a photograph of herself as a child in Lebanon, where she grew up. \u003ccite>(Steven Cuevas for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“He left the neighborhood, [then] the trunk popped open,” Marganian said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The boxes tumbled out, and the ferocious winds did the rest, scattering decades of non-digitized photos in all directions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was trying to collect them with my 12-year-old as the wind was blowing, suffocating us with the smoke, and we could see the embers coming down,” Marganian said. “Everything was happening so fast because of the wind.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They gathered just a fraction of the photos before they had to keep moving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At first, Marganian considered posting something online about the lost pictures. But after seeing the full extent of the devastation in Altadena and receiving confirmation that her own home survived, the photos seemed less important.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, she began getting some very surprising text messages.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Someone has your pictures up on their social media,“ Marganian said. “Random pictures like honeymoon pictures, pregnancy pictures, dating pictures.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Through Schwartz, about a half dozen people have returned photos to the Marganian family so far. Some of the prints she got back, including images of her childhood in Lebanon, were damaged by smoke, soot and car tires.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even though she’s only gotten back about 200 of the thousands of photos she lost that night, Marganian is grateful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I met some great people through this whole experience, and I’m just glad our house is here,” Marganian said. “My heart goes out to the ones that weren’t as fortunate.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Schwartz’s project isn’t the first to create art or photography out of the devastation of wildfire.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12042582\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12042582\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/HOURI-MARGANIAN-HOLDS-A-PHOTOGRAPH-DAMAGED-IN-THE-EATON-FIRE-OF-HERSELF-AND-A-FRIEND-KQED-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Houri Marganian holds a photograph, damaged in the Eaton Fire, of herself and a friend. \u003ccite>(Steven Cuevas for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Norma Quintana, a photographer based in Napa, said the wind helped save treasured objects during the\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11741498/a-third-of-homes-lost-in-2017-tubbs-fire-now-under-construction\"> 2017 Tubbs Fire\u003c/a>, which destroyed her family’s house.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The wind was a gift,” Quintana said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To cope with the grief and trauma, Quintana spent weeks sifting through the ashes of her property and painstakingly photographing things that survived, or barely survived. The work evolved into an exhibit of photographs and blackened keepsakes called\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/arts/13813058/a-photographer-turns-the-lens-on-her-own-homes-charred-remains\"> Forage from Fire\u003c/a>, shown in museums across the U.S. and Mexico.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She sees a kind of magic in the Eaton Fire Found Photos project.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>Updated at 9:15 p.m. Thursday\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A federal appeals court blocked a judge’s ruling Thursday that President Donald Trump overstepped his authority when he seized control of California’s National Guard without telling Gov. Gavin Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump dispatched the troops to Los Angeles to respond to protests sparked by immigration raids.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Earlier Thursday, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer issued a decision that returned control of the National Guard troops to Newsom, but it did not change the status of the 700 U.S. Marines Trump also ordered to L.A. But the Ninth Circuit Court of appeals blocked that ruling a few hours later, and scheduled a hearing for Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer had ruled that Trump needed to cede control of the National Guard troops back to the governor by midday Friday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“At this early stage of the proceedings, the Court must determine whether the President followed the congressionally mandated procedure for his actions. He did not,” Breyer wrote. “His actions were illegal — both exceeding the scope of his statutory authority and violating the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. He must therefore return control of the California National Guard to the Governor of the State of California forthwith.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before the appeals court intervened, Newsom applauded Breyer’s decision and told reporters Thursday’s ruling was a test of democracy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This decision was important because it’s about constraints, it’s about limits, it’s about our democracy,” Newsom said, and added that the National Guard would be redeployed to “what they were doing before Donald Trump commandeered them” — border security, vegetation management and law enforcement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Donald Trump better abide by these orders or we have a constitutional crisis,” the governor warned. “The likes of which we haven’t seen in our lifetime.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=news_12043766 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/GavinNewsom1AP-1020x680.jpg']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The initial ruling followed an hour-long hearing during which Breyer pressed both sides, and focused mostly around whether Trump went through the proper process for calling up the National Guard. He forcefully pushed back at the federal government’s contention that the courts had no place to weigh in on the issue, noting that the U.S. was “founded in response to a monarch.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The president is, of course, limited to his authority, and that’s the difference between a constitutional government and King George,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s not that a leader can simply say something and then it becomes it. It’s a question of a leader — a president or a governor — following the law as set forth in both the Constitution and statutes. That’s what a president, a governor, or any leader must act under. Otherwise they become something other than a constitutional officer.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At issue is whether the president had the power to overrule Newsom and activate 2,000 National Guard troops this week — troops who are normally under the control of state governors. Such a move by a U.S. president hasn’t occurred since the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California also objected in the suit to Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s decision to deploy 700 U.S. Marines to the Southern California city, though in that case, the state acknowledges that the president has sole authority over the troops.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state’s attorneys asked the judge to order the National Guard troops back to their regular assignments, and for both the Marines and National Guard troops to be prohibited from patrolling streets or otherwise aiding in any law enforcement action other than protecting federal property and personnel. Specifically, the state wanted Breyer to bar the armed troops from directly participating in the “enforcement of civil laws,” something California contends they have been doing this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California filed suit on Monday, then asked for an immediate restraining order on Tuesday. Breyer instead asked the Trump administration to respond by Wednesday and scheduled the hearing for Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043426\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043426\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1491\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-160x119.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-1536x1145.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. Gavin Newsom (right) speaks as Attorney General Rob Bonta looks on during a news conference on April 16, 2025, in Ceres, California. \u003ccite>(Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>In court Thursday, California Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Green contended that the “version of executive power to police civilian communities that the government is advancing is breathtaking in scope.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They are saying, Your Honor, that the president by fiat can federalize the National Guard and deploy it in the streets of a civilian city whenever he perceives that there is disobedience to an order,” Green said. “That is an expansive, dangerous conception of federal executive power.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Trump invoked a rarely used legal provision on Saturday that allows a president to deploy federal service members if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.” In court filings, the government argued the state is asking the court to “stop the President of the United States from exercising his lawful statutory and constitutional power to ensure that federal personnel and facilities are protected.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In its response, California accused the president of advancing “a breathtaking vision of unlimited, unreviewable executive power.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the federal government has argued the troops are solely there to protect immigration agents as they pursue deportations, the commander overseeing U.S. military operations in Los Angeles said this week that the troops can detain people if federal personnel are assaulted — but cannot arrest them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer focused much of his questioning Thursday on whether Trump had followed proper legal procedures. He honed in on language in the \u003ca href=\"https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-12406/\">statute\u003c/a> that says “orders for these purposes shall be issued through governors of the states.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer said Trump’s administration didn’t tell Newsom directly, but instead Hegseth told the California National Guard’s adjutant general.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m trying to figure out how something is through somebody if in fact you didn’t give it to him,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assistant Attorney General Brett Shumate argued that the proper process was followed because the adjutant general “issues orders in the name of the governor.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But if that’s the case, Breyer mused, why would Congress even mention the governor in the statute?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why not just simply say to the commanding officer, the command officer of the guard should be notified. I mean, isn’t there a contemplation at least that there may be a discussion between the commander in chief of the force and the prospective commander in chief of the force as to the advisability of that force?” Breyer said, noting that both Trump and Newsom were duly elected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer rejected California’s request to limit the actions of the U.S. Marines. The state wanted Breyer to prohibit the Marines from conducting law enforcement of civilians — but at the hearing, the judge noted that he has no evidence that is happening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Green responded that the governor’s office has information that the Marines are planning to relieve the National Guard on the ground in L.A. “in the next 24 hours.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Breyer said it’s not his job as a judge to issue orders based on something that might happen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I sort of don’t think that’s my business,” he said.“It seems somewhat speculative, and it seems certainly a view of the future as distinct from what is presently being done today on this record.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED’s \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/author/gmarzorati\">\u003cem>Guy Marzorati\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> contributed to this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The initial ruling followed an hour-long hearing during which Breyer pressed both sides, and focused mostly around whether Trump went through the proper process for calling up the National Guard. He forcefully pushed back at the federal government’s contention that the courts had no place to weigh in on the issue, noting that the U.S. was “founded in response to a monarch.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The president is, of course, limited to his authority, and that’s the difference between a constitutional government and King George,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s not that a leader can simply say something and then it becomes it. It’s a question of a leader — a president or a governor — following the law as set forth in both the Constitution and statutes. That’s what a president, a governor, or any leader must act under. Otherwise they become something other than a constitutional officer.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At issue is whether the president had the power to overrule Newsom and activate 2,000 National Guard troops this week — troops who are normally under the control of state governors. Such a move by a U.S. president hasn’t occurred since the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California also objected in the suit to Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s decision to deploy 700 U.S. Marines to the Southern California city, though in that case, the state acknowledges that the president has sole authority over the troops.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The state’s attorneys asked the judge to order the National Guard troops back to their regular assignments, and for both the Marines and National Guard troops to be prohibited from patrolling streets or otherwise aiding in any law enforcement action other than protecting federal property and personnel. Specifically, the state wanted Breyer to bar the armed troops from directly participating in the “enforcement of civil laws,” something California contends they have been doing this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California filed suit on Monday, then asked for an immediate restraining order on Tuesday. Breyer instead asked the Trump administration to respond by Wednesday and scheduled the hearing for Thursday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043426\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043426\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1491\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-160x119.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty-1536x1145.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gov. 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He honed in on language in the \u003ca href=\"https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-12406/\">statute\u003c/a> that says “orders for these purposes shall be issued through governors of the states.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer said Trump’s administration didn’t tell Newsom directly, but instead Hegseth told the California National Guard’s adjutant general.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m trying to figure out how something is through somebody if in fact you didn’t give it to him,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Assistant Attorney General Brett Shumate argued that the proper process was followed because the adjutant general “issues orders in the name of the governor.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But if that’s the case, Breyer mused, why would Congress even mention the governor in the statute?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Why not just simply say to the commanding officer, the command officer of the guard should be notified. I mean, isn’t there a contemplation at least that there may be a discussion between the commander in chief of the force and the prospective commander in chief of the force as to the advisability of that force?” Breyer said, noting that both Trump and Newsom were duly elected.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Breyer rejected California’s request to limit the actions of the U.S. Marines. 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He said he went to seek answers on the administration’s “increasingly extreme immigration actions,” because he had been unable to get a meeting with Department of Homeland Security officials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043454\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043454\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/gettyimages-2219185144-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"National Guard troops stand outside the Metropolitan Detention Center on Sunday in Los Angeles. Tensions in the city remain high after the Trump administration called in the National Guard against the wishes of city leaders following two days of clashes with police during a series of immigration raids.\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1708\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/gettyimages-2219185144-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/gettyimages-2219185144-2000x1334.jpeg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/gettyimages-2219185144-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/gettyimages-2219185144-1536x1025.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/gettyimages-2219185144-2048x1366.jpeg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">National Guard troops stand outside the Metropolitan Detention Center on Sunday in Los Angeles. 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The son of Mexican immigrants and the first Latino to represent California in the Senate, he began his political career in L.A. in the 1990s after protesting against Proposition 187, which excluded undocumented immigrants from a swath of public benefits.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mike Madrid, a longtime political consultant, said in \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/madrid_mike/status/1933227968958247161\">a social media post\u003c/a> that he had known Padilla for 25 years, “and never seen anything like this. It’s so out of character for his measured personality — he’s a living example of how Latinos feel right now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement, Gov. Gavin Newsom called the incident “outrageous, dictatorial and shameful,” adding that “Trump and his shock troops are out of control.”[aside postID=news_11984807 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250609-SF-IMMIGRATION-PROTESTS-MD-18-KQED.jpg']Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) spoke about the video on the Senate floor, saying: “I just saw something that sickened my stomach: the manhandling of a United States senator. We need immediate answers to what the hell went on.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass called the incident “absolutely abhorrent and outrageous.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This administration’s violent attacks on our city must end,” she said in \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/MayorOfLA/status/1933227193771176262\">a social media post\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A statement from Assistant Homeland Security Secretary Tricia McLaughlin accused Padilla of “disrespectful political theatre,” charging that he did not comply with requests to back away. 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"content": "\u003cp>Facing a gaping budget hole, an electorate that decided his attention was elsewhere and middling reviews on Apple Podcasts, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/gavin-newsom\">Gov. Gavin Newsom\u003c/a> began the first half of 2025 searching for relevance and purpose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That all changed this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom stood before a camera on Tuesday night and delivered remarks seemingly aimed at positioning himself as President Donald Trump’s number one opponent — and perhaps the Democratic Party’s heir apparent. In \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slqGnae3-U\">the nine-minute speech\u003c/a>, the governor tore into Trump’s decision \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043221/newsom-asks-trump-to-rescind-unlawful-deployment-of-troops-in-los-angeles\">to send armed troops to Los Angeles\u003c/a> in response to immigration protests in and around the city, and framed it as part of a larger power grab by the president.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When Donald Trump sought blanket authority to commandeer the National Guard, he made that order apply to every state in this nation. This is about all of us. This is all about you. California may be first, but it clearly will not end here,” Newsom warned. “And other states are next. Democracy is next. Democracy is under assault before our eyes. This moment we have feared has arrived.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It didn’t hurt that the confrontation with Trump gave the governor a break from a thicket of thorny issues back at the state capitol. But after months during which both the governor and Democrats more broadly have struggled to find a coherent message to push back against the president, Newsom seized a volatile moment to speak not just to California but to the nation — and seemed to find his footing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043862\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043862\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/231013-IsraelRally-029-BL_qed-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/231013-IsraelRally-029-BL_qed-1.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/231013-IsraelRally-029-BL_qed-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/231013-IsraelRally-029-BL_qed-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sen. Josh Becker speaks during a rally calling on Hamas to release hostages captured in Israel, at Civic Center Plaza, in San Francisco, on Oct. 13, 2023. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“He’s rising to the moment,” said state Sen. Josh Becker, a Bay Area Democrat who has known Newsom since the governor was a fresh-faced supervisor in San Francisco.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think Democrats have been looking for leadership and this is the kind of leadership they want,” Becker added. “Donald Trump is a bully. He is a bully 100% and the only way to confront a bully is to stand up to a bully, and Gavin Newsom is standing up to him right now — and I think he’s earning the admiration and appreciation of Californians and the nation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom’s speech followed a dayslong legal and rhetorical battle with Trump, who took the rare step of ordering the National Guard and U.S. Marines to Los Angeles over Newsom’s objections. On Sunday, Newsom challenged Trump’s border czar Tom Homan to arrest him — “Just get it over with,” Newsom insisted — which Trump said would be a “great thing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The next day, Newsom and Attorney General Rob Bonta \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043221/newsom-asks-trump-to-rescind-unlawful-deployment-of-troops-in-los-angeles\">filed a lawsuit\u003c/a> challenging the military deployment.[aside postID=news_12043314 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/GavinNewsomRobBontaGetty.jpg']The back and forth laid bare the strange relationship between Trump and Newsom, who have at times appeared friendly, like when the president traveled to L.A. during the fires there in January. But they both have also relished using the other person as a politically convenient foil to play to their respective bases.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Look, I like Gavin Newsom — he’s a nice guy, but he’s grossly incompetent,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z79YvUbDTVQ\">Trump said \u003c/a>Sunday when asked about the incendiary idea of arresting a democratically elected governor. Trump went on to say that \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/video/trump-praises-his-response-to-the-la-protests-we-have-it-very-well-under-control-8b132c7063884d92a2aee002bd07e8e0\">Newsom’s crime\u003c/a> was “running for governor.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There have been many twists and turns over the years between Newsom and Trump.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Trump’s first term, Newsom stepped forward immediately as one of the president’s most vocal Democratic critics. But this year, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12026230/after-years-of-attacks-newsom-tries-flattery-on-trump\">Newsom has treaded more carefully\u003c/a>. He has let other Democrats, namely California Attorney General Rob Bonta, take the lead on pushing back against Trump’s agenda. Some of that shift can be attributed to the devastating Los Angeles fires earlier this year and the state’s need for federal assistance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s also created some political problems for Newsom — and this showdown with Trump could shore up support for the governor among California Democrats, who have questioned the termed-out governor’s political intentions and policy agenda for his final 18 months in the Capitol.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12040806\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12040806\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The California State Capitol in Sacramento on May 6, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Newsom’s proposal to close \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12040025/newsom-blames-trump-california-budget-deficit-aims-cap-undocumented-health-care\">a projected $12 billion budget shortfall\u003c/a> rested on cuts to Medicaid coverage for undocumented residents — an idea that garnered fierce pushback from immigrant advocacy groups. A podcast he launched this year, featuring interviews with far-right figures, angered many in his own party — especially after the governor made comments that many on the left saw as throwing transgender kids under the bus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And voters seemed to question whether Newsom’s eyes were wandering toward the White House. A recent poll from the UC Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies found 54% of California voters thought Newsom was focusing more on bolstering a future run for president than on governing the state. Even Democrats were split evenly on this question of the governor’s political compass.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Republican strategist Tim Rosales said the chance to climb back in the ring with Trump provides a welcome respite for Newsom from tough governing choices that could further divide the governor from his base.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Anything that he can do to kind of deflect attention from some of those things and pick a fight with President Trump is certainly beneficial for him,” Rosales said. “It puts Governor Newsom back on the national stage, which is, we all know, where he wants to be and I think where he has eyes toward for 2028.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That sense — that Newsom is acting out of his own interests, with an eye on his political future — has long dogged the governor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11781815\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11781815\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/10/Newsom-AB5-Gonzalez-signing-1-e1571781593776.jpeg\" alt=\"Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, right, and labor activists celebrate as Gov. Gavin Newsom signs the legislation, which forces companies to treat roughly 1 million contract workers as employees under California law.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1280\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, right, and labor activists celebrate as Gov. Gavin Newsom signs the legislation, which forces companies to treat roughly 1 million contract workers as employees under California law.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But some Democrats who have clashed with Newsom in the past said they were heartened by the governor’s shift in tone and message this week.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He’s stepping up in this time. He’s stepping up for Californians, and it’s something I think we were hungry for,” said California Labor Federation president Lorena Gonzalez.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gonzalez is a former state Assembly member who has undertaken public policy fights with Newsom in the past. But she praised his Tuesday speech for calling out the indiscriminate nature of Trump’s immigration raids — and said the integral role of undocumented immigrants in California necessitated a response from the state’s highest officeholder.[aside postID=news_12042751 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2021/06/GettyImages-1232636077-1020x680.jpg']“There is nothing I think that Gavin Newsom has ever done to suggest that he doesn’t have that type of desire to stand up for Californians, all Californians and protect them from deportation when they’re not criminals. So I think it’s very consistent. I don’t think it is opportunist,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An ever-escalating confrontation is not without risk for Newsom. For one, the governor is largely responding to developments outside of his control. Trump could very well benefit politically with his own base if troops are needed to maintain order — and he could use any confrontation as justification to roll out troops in other Democratic cities, and as a pretense for further escalation nationally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Newsom, by pushing back against those deployments, is betting that state and local officials can keep acts of violence or vandalism isolated and the situation in control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the meantime, the governor has joined Trump in using the events in Los Angeles to rally his political supporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, Trump’s political arm sent an email blast to backers warning of an “ATTACK ON THE HOMELAND.” Then on Wednesday, Newsom’s Campaign for Democracy PAC issued his own appeal in a text, alongside a request for $10 and $20 donations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Gavin Newsom here, asking if there is ANYTHING I can say to convince you to donate to help me continue to fight back against the attacks and threats from the Trump administration,” the text read. “I can’t do this alone.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Accompanying the text was a photo of Newsom and Trump facing one another, the governor wagging his finger at the president.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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Trump went on to say that \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/video/trump-praises-his-response-to-the-la-protests-we-have-it-very-well-under-control-8b132c7063884d92a2aee002bd07e8e0\">Newsom’s crime\u003c/a> was “running for governor.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There have been many twists and turns over the years between Newsom and Trump.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Trump’s first term, Newsom stepped forward immediately as one of the president’s most vocal Democratic critics. But this year, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12026230/after-years-of-attacks-newsom-tries-flattery-on-trump\">Newsom has treaded more carefully\u003c/a>. He has let other Democrats, namely California Attorney General Rob Bonta, take the lead on pushing back against Trump’s agenda. Some of that shift can be attributed to the devastating Los Angeles fires earlier this year and the state’s need for federal assistance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s also created some political problems for Newsom — and this showdown with Trump could shore up support for the governor among California Democrats, who have questioned the termed-out governor’s political intentions and policy agenda for his final 18 months in the Capitol.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12040806\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12040806\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/05/250506-SACRAMENTOFILE-04-BL-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The California State Capitol in Sacramento on May 6, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Newsom’s proposal to close \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12040025/newsom-blames-trump-california-budget-deficit-aims-cap-undocumented-health-care\">a projected $12 billion budget shortfall\u003c/a> rested on cuts to Medicaid coverage for undocumented residents — an idea that garnered fierce pushback from immigrant advocacy groups. A podcast he launched this year, featuring interviews with far-right figures, angered many in his own party — especially after the governor made comments that many on the left saw as throwing transgender kids under the bus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And voters seemed to question whether Newsom’s eyes were wandering toward the White House. A recent poll from the UC Berkeley Institute of Governmental Studies found 54% of California voters thought Newsom was focusing more on bolstering a future run for president than on governing the state. Even Democrats were split evenly on this question of the governor’s political compass.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Republican strategist Tim Rosales said the chance to climb back in the ring with Trump provides a welcome respite for Newsom from tough governing choices that could further divide the governor from his base.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Anything that he can do to kind of deflect attention from some of those things and pick a fight with President Trump is certainly beneficial for him,” Rosales said. “It puts Governor Newsom back on the national stage, which is, we all know, where he wants to be and I think where he has eyes toward for 2028.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That sense — that Newsom is acting out of his own interests, with an eye on his political future — has long dogged the governor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11781815\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11781815\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2019/10/Newsom-AB5-Gonzalez-signing-1-e1571781593776.jpeg\" alt=\"Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, right, and labor activists celebrate as Gov. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003c!-- Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/ -->\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story was originally published by \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/\">CalMatters\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/subscribe-to-calmatters/\">Sign up\u003c/a> for their newsletters.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The specter of law enforcement firing “less-lethal” rounds into crowds of protesters and striking journalists on the streets of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/los-angeles\">Los Angeles\u003c/a> is a haunting echo of the death of journalist \u003ca href=\"https://library.sonoma.edu/research/research-guides/regional-research/notable-north-bay-people/ruben-salazar-1928-1970\">Ruben Salazar while covering a protest more than 50 years ago\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In four days of protests over ICE immigration arrests in the Los Angeles Area, nearly a dozen journalists, including CalMatters investigative reporter Sergio Olmos, were struck by projectiles fired by law enforcement officers, according to data compiled by \u003ca href=\"https://lapressclub.org/about/board/adam-rose-2/\">Adam Rose, chair of the press rights committee \u003c/a>of the Los Angeles Press Club.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most sustained minor bruises, but one, British journalist Nick Stern, was hit in the leg with a projectile, apparently fired by a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputy, while covering Friday night’s disturbance in the community of Paramount.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The impact left a 2-inch hole in his leg and required emergency surgery to remove a 40mm projectile, according to media reports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It hurt so much that I thought they might be firing live rounds,” \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/08/la-protests-photographer-hit-by-non-lethal-rounds\">he told \u003cem>The Guardian\u003c/em>.\u003c/a> “I’ve been with non-lethal rounds before. They hurt like hell but generally don’t break the skin. But the blood made me think it was a live round.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another journalist, Lauren Tomasi of News9 Australia, was struck by a rubber bullet fired by a Los Angeles Police Department officer while she was broadcasting live during Sunday’s protest outside the Metropolitan Detention Center in Downtown Los Angeles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043754\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2250px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043754\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2250\" height=\"2000\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01.jpg 2250w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-2000x1778.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-160x142.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-1536x1365.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-2048x1820.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2250px) 100vw, 2250px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">U.S correspondent Lauren Tomasi of 9News in Australia is hit by a projectile fired by LAPD during a live broadcast in downtown Los Angeles on June 8, 2025. \u003ccite>(Screenshot/9News)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department told CalMatters in a statement that the department is reviewing footage of Stern’s injury and “it is not clear at this time whether our department was involved.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The statement said the department is committed to ensuring members of the media “can perform their duties safely while covering events, including protests, civil disobedience and public gatherings.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The statement added that the Tomasi incident “involved another law enforcement agency and not the Sheriff’s Department.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://x.com/9NewsAUS/status/1931885297203347706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1931885297203347706%7Ctwgr%5E5bb6c7a309df0e8abb6908bca8945f2a5808eb17%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmedia%2F2025%2Fjun%2F09%2Faustralian-reporter-shot-with-rubber-bullet-while-covering-anti-ice-protests-in-los-angeles\">A video posted on X by News9 Australia\u003c/a> shows a uniformed LAPD officer taking aim and firing in the direction of Tomasi and her crew.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked for comment, an LAPD spokesperson directed CalMatters to \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/LAPDPIO/status/1932200228951892284/photo/1\">a news release posted\u003c/a> on the agency’s X account. It states that police fired more than 600 rounds of “less-than-lethal munitions” Saturday and Sunday while arresting 29 people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The release states that the department will continue to review body-worn footage from the incidents, but makes no mention of the Tomasi case or other journalists who were struck.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>News9 reported that the LAPD has launched a formal investigation into the Tomasi incident.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A subsequent release by the LAPD states that its Professional Standards Bureau “will be investigating allegations of excessive force,” but does not mention Tomasi or other media.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>A history of problems\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The hazards journalists face covering the news are not new. Throughout the years, dozens of journalists have been injured by police while covering disturbances in and around Los Angeles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rose, the LA Press Club’s journalists’ rights advocate, said he started compiling data on incidents after the violence during the 2020 LA George Floyd protests to try to determine whether there has been a pattern involving police encounters in which journalists are injured.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11987039\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11987039\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/200529-GeorgeFloyd-04-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/200529-GeorgeFloyd-04-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/200529-GeorgeFloyd-04-BL-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/200529-GeorgeFloyd-04-BL-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/200529-GeorgeFloyd-04-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/200529-GeorgeFloyd-04-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/200529-GeorgeFloyd-04-BL-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A demonstrator outside Oakland police headquarters on May 29 2020, carries a sign with the words, “I can’t breathe” spoken by George Floyd, the man murdered on May 25, 2020, by police in Minneapolis. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>He said he believes a pattern does exist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There has been a long history of problematic dynamics between police and the press in Los Angeles,” he said, especially during incidents of unrest in which police “appear to clearly target journalists.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He cited the 2007 “Mayday Melee,” in which LAPD officers tried to clear protesters at an immigration rally in MacArthur Park. More than 40 people were injured, including nine journalists, and the city paid out $13 million to settle excessive force claims.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Six years earlier, LAPD agreed to pay $60,000 to settle a case involving seven reporters who were injured by police covering disturbances surrounding the 2000 Democratic National Convention.[aside postID=news_12043548 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-2000x1333.jpg']“The [LAPD] culture is really concerning,” Rose said. “Police and the press are both a type of first responder and there should be a level of professionalism and respect. When you culturally target journalists, the rights of the press are chilled and the ability of the public to be informed is harmed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rose noted that \u003ca href=\"https://law.justia.com/codes/california/code-pen/part-4/title-4-7/section-13652/#:~:text=(6)%20Officers%20shall%20minimize%20the,to%20extract%20individuals%20in%20distress.\">California Penal Code Section 13652\u003c/a> was amended in 2021 to require that officers “minimize the possible incidental impact of their use of kinetic energy projectiles and chemical agents on bystanders, medical personnel, journalists, or other unintended targets.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Olmos, the CalMatters journalist who was struck, \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/MrOlmos/status/1932266657139024094\">reported on X \u003c/a>that he saw officers aiming less-lethal munitions at close range, “including at eye level.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked for a response, an LAPD spokesman directed CalMatters to submit questions in writing via email but not to expect an immediate reply.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rose said it is somewhat difficult to draw a straight line between more recent episodes and the death of Salzar, but there are enough similarities that after 55 years, his case still rings as a cautionary tale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He was killed by a tear-gas canister fired through an open door, which indicates a sort of recklessness, and that recklessness certainly continues,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rose noted that on Friday, freelance journalist Sean Becker-Carmitchel was struck in the head by a tear-gas round and that “had it been two inches lower, he would have lost an eye.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘The loss of a hero’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Salazar was a columnist for the \u003cem>Los Angeles Times\u003c/em> as well as the news director of a Spanish-language radio station.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Aug. 29, 1970, he was covering a march in East Los Angeles by Latinos against the Vietnam War. As the protest grew more heated, sheriff’s deputies tried to disperse the crowds with tear gas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Salazar ducked into a bar called The Silver Dollar. A short time later, a deputy fired a 10-inch tear gas projectile through the curtained door of the establishment, striking Salazar in the head and killing him. The death was ultimately ruled accidental.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11643081\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11643081\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes.jpg\" alt=\"The Los Angeles Times building in downtown L.A.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1254\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-160x105.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-800x523.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-1020x666.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-1180x771.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-960x627.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-240x157.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-375x245.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/01/LATimes-520x340.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Los Angeles Times building in downtown L.A. \u003ccite>(Mae Ryan/KPCC)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Retired journalist Frank Sotomayor joined the \u003cem>Times\u003c/em> in 1970, shortly after Salazar’s death. He had become an admirer of Salazar’s after relatives began sending him copies of his columns while he was stationed in Tokyo with the Army.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those columns led him to apply at the \u003cem>Times\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The day I got out of the Army was the day he was killed,” Sotomayor told CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He was one of the few Latinos in journalism at the time … for the people who knew him, they were just stunned … that anything like this would happen.”[aside postID=news_12043445 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250609-SF-IMMIGRATION-PROTESTS-MD-17-KQED-1.jpg']“To me, it was the loss of a hero that I’d always wanted to meet and never had the opportunity.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sotomayor, who helped lead a \u003cem>Times\u003c/em> project on the Latino community and culture that won the 1984 Pulitzer Prize for public service and later worked on a 20th anniversary retrospective about Salazar’s death, noted that there are still questions surrounding the case.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s still people who believe Ruben was killed on purpose,” he said. “I’ve never made my mind up whether it was on purpose or an accident, as the Sheriff’s Office called it. 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But the blood made me think it was a live round.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another journalist, Lauren Tomasi of News9 Australia, was struck by a rubber bullet fired by a Los Angeles Police Department officer while she was broadcasting live during Sunday’s protest outside the Metropolitan Detention Center in Downtown Los Angeles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043754\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2250px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043754\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2250\" height=\"2000\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01.jpg 2250w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-2000x1778.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-160x142.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-1536x1365.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/LAProtestScreengrab01-2048x1820.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2250px) 100vw, 2250px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">U.S correspondent Lauren Tomasi of 9News in Australia is hit by a projectile fired by LAPD during a live broadcast in downtown Los Angeles on June 8, 2025. \u003ccite>(Screenshot/9News)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department told CalMatters in a statement that the department is reviewing footage of Stern’s injury and “it is not clear at this time whether our department was involved.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The statement said the department is committed to ensuring members of the media “can perform their duties safely while covering events, including protests, civil disobedience and public gatherings.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The statement added that the Tomasi incident “involved another law enforcement agency and not the Sheriff’s Department.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://x.com/9NewsAUS/status/1931885297203347706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1931885297203347706%7Ctwgr%5E5bb6c7a309df0e8abb6908bca8945f2a5808eb17%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fmedia%2F2025%2Fjun%2F09%2Faustralian-reporter-shot-with-rubber-bullet-while-covering-anti-ice-protests-in-los-angeles\">A video posted on X by News9 Australia\u003c/a> shows a uniformed LAPD officer taking aim and firing in the direction of Tomasi and her crew.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When asked for comment, an LAPD spokesperson directed CalMatters to \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/LAPDPIO/status/1932200228951892284/photo/1\">a news release posted\u003c/a> on the agency’s X account. 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Today, we’re bringing you a quick reaction episode to catch you up on a couple stories we’ve covered before that are suddenly back in the news. \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> producer Maya Cueva joins Morgan to break it all down.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC1677724333\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’ve talked about a few of these stories before — if you want to go deeper, here are some past episodes to check out:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12033066/the-broligarchy-pt-1-chronicles-of-the-paypal-mafia\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Broligarchy Pt 1: Chronicles of the PayPal Mafia | KQED\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12038910/the-surveillance-machine-pt-1-how-we-got-here\">The Surveillance Machine, Pt. 1: How We Got Here | KQED\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12030860/waymo-problems\">Waymo Robotaxis – Uneasiness and Vandalism | KQED\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Further reading:\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-musk-summary-timeline-political-relationship-rcna211453\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A timeline of the twists and turns in the Trump-Musk relationship\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Nnamdi Egwuonwu, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">NBC News \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/immigration-protests-threaten-to-boil-over-in-los-angeles\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Immigration Protests Threaten to Boil Over in Los Angeles \u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">— E. 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Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Follow us on Instagram\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey guys, welcome to Close All Tabs. We had planned to bring you part two of our Spotify deep dive today. And don’t worry, we’ll get back to that next week. But there have been some developments over the past week. Basically, the last few days have been so wild that we need to talk about it. We’re actually following up on three of our previous episodes today. And joining me to help sort through all of it is our producer, Maya Cueva. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>Hey Morgan!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>Hey Maya. So this will be a bit of a speed round. Two quick tabs today. And as a side quest, I am going to try to make the case to you, Maya, for why I’ve stayed on Twitter, or as we now call it, X. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, please make your case, because it’s hard for me to get why anyone would want to stay on X, but I do want to understand. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I will try my best. Okay, we’ve got a few things to cover today, including what’s happening with Waymos and protest surveillance in LA. But before we get to that, we have to talk about something that happened last week. Elon Musk and Donald Trump finally broke up. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Maya, are you ready? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, Morgan. Let’s open a new tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Great Elon Crash Out. Back in March, we did a series on “the Broligarchy,” and more specifically, the ideology that drives tech titans like Elon Musk as they accumulate political power. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And how they might use that power to influence U.S. Policy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re seeing a rise in what I guess we’ll call the “Broligarchy”. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 2: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The “Broligarchs” really have an explicit political agenda. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 3: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How do you survive the “Broligarchy”? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And nothing embodied the Broligarchy quite like the relationship between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump. And I just want to say up front, this stuff is really serious, right? Like the fact that these two men control so many levers of power and the ripple effects of their decisions have already had massive and sometimes devastating consequences — that should be a source of concern for us all. But at the same time, their personal relationship, what many have called a bromance, there’s something kind of funny about it. Like it has high school vibes. And social media has really eaten that up. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it seems like that relationship is over, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s true. At least it is as of when we’re recording this, on Monday afternoon. After less than a year since Musk publicly endorsed Trump, the bromance is dead. Okay, let’s start right after Election Day. They were still pretty cozy back then. This was Trump in his victory speech right after winning the election. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donald Trump: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let me tell you, we have a new star. A star is born, Elon. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then Elon starts overseeing DOGE, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. He’s the face of the Department of Government Efficiency. And under his de facto leadership, DOGE is slashing government agencies left and right. We see mass layoffs and the dismantling of aid programs. And it’s an accounting and privacy disaster. Obviously, Trump and Musk are getting a lot of backlash over this. And we start to see cracks in the relationship. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, yeah, and didn’t that bizarre White House Tesla showcase happen during all of this? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, by March, Tesla stock was down by like 45%. So while Tesla is slumping as a company, Trump and Musk turned the White House lawn into a Tesla showroom. They live stream it on X and Trump makes a show of wanting to buy one. He really talks up the Cybertruck. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donald Trump: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Who else but this guy would design this, and everybody on the road is looking at it. It’s amazing, actually. As soon as I saw it, I said, that is the coolest design. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So you know how there’s always that one couple on Instagram that you know is not doing well, but they overcompensate by posting really, like, lovey-dovey captions and all that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ugh, yes, it’s like, why are you pretending? You’re not fooling anyone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so I think this Tesla showcase is kind of like that. That same month, as the White House gets heat for DOGE’s actions, Trump goes on Truth Social and says that the agency heads are in charge of staffing, not Musk and DOGE. This is when the president starts to rein Musk in. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so we’ve heard that Trump and Musk are getting backlash for a lot of the actions they’re taking, especially DOGE, and Musk’s companies are suffering. And all of this seems to be creating tension, right? So when did the actual breakup happen? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, at the start of last month, Musk says he’s stepping back from DOGE to focus on his own companies like Tesla and SpaceX. A few weeks later, Musk goes on CBS and bashes the president’s budget proposal, what Trump calls his “Big, Beautiful Bill.” Musk says that bill increases the budget deficit and undermines DOGE’s work. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Elon Musk: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful, but I don’t know if it could be both. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And by the end of the month, the White House announces that Musk’s temporary role as a special government employee has ended. They host a ceremony, and the president makes this grand gesture of gifting Musk a gold key to the White house. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donald Trump: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I have given it to some, but it goes to very special people, and I thought I’d give it to Elon as a presentation from our country. Thank you, Elon. Take care. Thank you \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so this seems pretty cordial to me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, it’s like that part of a breakup where you tell people you’re still on good terms and you wish each other the best and you’re going to be in each other’s lives, all that. But like, we know what happens. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh yeah, we’ve all been there before. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, except these are two exceptionally powerful men. So this is where it gets really juicy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, tell me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So a couple of days ago, Musk goes on X and starts tearing apart the bill. He says, hold on, let me pull it up. “This massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You KNOW it.” And Trump tells reporters that Musk is upset because the bill would end tax credits for electric vehicles. And then these guys just start going at it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait, so what happened? Can you break it down for me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is why I say I will never leave the app, because as bad as it gets, there are still days when everyone comes out of hibernation and just starts posting. And this includes Elon Musk. So he starts firing off at Trump on X. First, he says that Trump would have lost the election without him. Trump goes to Truth Social, and he says Musk went crazy after he was asked to leave the White House. He threatens to cut Musk’s government subsidies and contracts. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m guessing Elon Musk didn’t take that well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, not at all. Musk goes nuclear. He runs back to X and posts something that makes everyone’s jaw drop. He claims that the president is in the Epstein files. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. So it’s worth noting that Trump was once publicly friends with the pedophile and sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein. But he hasn’t been implicated in any of the investigations into Epstein or his accomplices. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it can’t get worse than that, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He kept going. In another post, Musk says that the tariffs will cause a recession. And then he reposts someone else who says that Trump should be impeached and replaced with JD Vance. So this is all what people are calling a “generational crash out.” Were you seeing any of this? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Honestly, Morgan, not the full back and forth. Like I got the condensed version from IG Reels, reacting to them fighting. And I saw some funny responses like when AOC quoted Azealea Banks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Reporter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Any quick reaction on what’s going on with Elon Musk and President Trump on Twitter right now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh man, the girls are fighting, aren’t they? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is the reason I’m still on this hellish app. There were so many good memes about this breakup. Like there’s this one where someone posted a picture of Trump and Musk together and then captioned it with the lyrics from the Bon Iver song, Skinny Love, classic breakup song. We’ve all been there. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or someone else posted this edit mashing up a scene from the Diary of a Wimpy Kid Movie, and Driver’s License by Olivia Rodrigo. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Diary of a Wimpy Kid Movie: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You broke my hand and you didn’t even seem sorry. That broken hand was the best thing that ever happened to you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And they captioned it, “the two most powerful men in the country on a random Thursday.”. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s hilarious. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ll tell you about one example that really sent me. Maya, are you familiar with old man yaoi? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait no, what is that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So this is one of those very online, deep internet things, so just stay with me here. Old man yaoi is kind of like a jokey fan fiction trope. Yaoi is this Japanese term that refers to gay male relationships in manga and anime. Sometimes it’s called BL, or boy’s love, and people will also tag fan fiction as yaoi. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Old man yaoi is this term for older male characters, and naturally, Because the internet is the way it is, there is a lot of tongue-in-cheek old man yaoi about Trump. Wait, really? Last year, there was a lot of enemies-to-lovers old man yaoi about Trump and former President Joe Biden. And now, there is old man yaoi about Trump and Musk. Can I read you an excerpt that I saw on X during the great crash out? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I guess. I don’t think I have a choice here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sorry, you do not. Okay. So here’s a dramatic reading of some old man yaoi posted by X user. Aegonism. Aegonism, thank you for making my day. “Donald, please, let’s just talk about this,” Elon pleads, attempting to catch the other man’s eyes. But Donald rolls over in bed, presenting his back to him. The tension in the bedroom is suffocating, and Elon tries to take a deep breath, but it feels like he can barely get any air. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“There’s nothing to talk about,” Donald finally responds, flatly, and Elon is taken aback by his tone. He sounds so cold and distant. He doesn’t want to fight. He can feel tears welling up and he takes a moment to wipe his face before continuing, hoping Donald won’t notice his red rimmed eyes. “Don, this bill is bad for Tesla. You have to understand that.” Donald sighs heavily. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh my God, I literally have no words. I do admire the creativity though. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Again, one of the top 10 days on Twitter. This app is terrible, but there’s nothing that’s really taken its place for me. I get a lot of news from Reddit and Bluesky, funny posts from Tumblr, and Instagram is great for organizing and sharing resources, and honestly, good shitpost accounts. TikTok is up there with good content too, but there is nothing that quite has the same real-time, super fast memeability like Twitter does, and you’re definitely not getting the stuff on threads. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, I feel like I am convinced now. So what are some of the other top meme days on Twitter? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, just a recent years, Luigi. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>Right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Speaker 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do want to give a credit to Luigi Mangione \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Will Smith Oscar slap. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Chris Rock: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Will Smith just smacked the shit out of me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You remember that time that ship got stuck in the Suez Canal? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 4: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A giant container ship ran aground in the Suez Canal after losing power. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or when President Biden dropped out of the presidential race. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 5: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">President Joe Biden’s decision not to run for re-election. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or JD Vance couch rumors, we remember that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Youtuber \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You may be wondering why you’re seeing a ton of memes and posts about Donald Trump’s VP pick, JD vance, and his sectional relationship with his couch. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do remember that and we did a story about it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But my personal favorite day is right after the election back in 2020 when Rudy Giuliani hosted a press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping instead of the Four Seasons Hotel. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Chris Hayes: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now, there is, of course, a mystery that hangs over all this, which is how the press conference came to be held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in the first place. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh my God, yes, I remember this! Okay, so I feel like I kind of get it. It’s the immediacy, right? But let’s get back to the bromance breakup, our Trump and Musk done for good? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, like any good breakup, it’s complicated. Musk actually ended up deleting some of his more incendiary posts, including the one about the Epstein files. Over the weekend, Trump told NBC News that their relationship was over and that he has no desire to repair it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>Ooof. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Classic breakup. But it looks like Elon is the one missing Trump, but Trump is the one over it. And we’re all watching their reality TV show. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, exactly. Except, unlike Love Island-. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Love Island: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Love Island! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This reality show also has massive real world ripple effects, which are affecting real people. The state of democracy kind of rests on the whims of these two very powerful, very egotistical guys. But I will say that the tone has changed recently. Musk is screenshotting some of Trump’s Truth Social posts and reposting them on X, appearing to agree with him. So it seems like he’s trying to make amends. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I think I did see that he was agreeing with Trump’s post condemning the protests against ICE raids in LA. I feel like we should get into that Morgan, right? In a new tab? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We definitely will. But before we do that, let’s take a quick break.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, we’re back. New tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s happening in LA ?? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so last month we did a two-part episode on the Surveillance State and how protesters and organizers are being identified and targeted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">30-Year-old Rumeysa Ozturk was on her way to break her Ramadan fast when six plain-clothed officers approached her. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Morgan, what’s going on where you are in Los Angeles? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you hear any background noise right now, it’s probably the helicopters flying over my apartment. I’m not too far from the protests, and LAPD has been circling over the city all weekend. We’re recording this on Monday evening, and the protests are still going strong. But aside from where those demonstrations are happening, at least in the neighborhood I’m in, LA is unsettlingly quiet. It’s like people are afraid to go outside, especially as ICE continues to patrol the city. But again, this is why I’m still on Twitter. There’s a pretty well-established network of mutual aid groups and organizers sharing resources and information over there. A lot of it is on Instagram, but real-time updates are coming from Twitter. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I’m seeing it all over my IG feed as well, but when did this all start? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, it all started with a string of immigration raids on Friday, from a Home Depot to a clothing store downtown. And then people who appeared for their immigration check-ins were detained and taken to unknown locations. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 2: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The FBI, Homeland Security, and ICE agents performed a raid a couple of hours ago. We’re just now seeing some people that are being detained. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And remember, Los Angeles is a sanctuary city. City resources cannot be used for federal immigration enforcement, and the city is prohibited from sharing data with immigration authorities. It’s also worth noting that Los Angeles is a city of immigrants, something that a lot of the community takes pride in. So protests started that night, one outside an immigration detention center downtown and another in the fashion district where one of the ICE raids happened. At some point, they converged. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Protesters: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let them free, let them stay! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Law enforcement showed up in riot gear to disperse the crowds. But the protests spread on Saturday across downtown LA, Compton, and Paramount. Trump deployed at least 2,000 National Guard troops in Los Angeles, which Governor Newsom has called unlawful and a serious breach of state sovereignty. Law enforcement has used tear gas and pepper spray and flashbang grenades to try to disperse the crowds. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 3: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You told me you got caught up in the tear gas as well? Describe what happened to you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Man on the street: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, just, uh, tasted a little tear gas. Tasted like fascism. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it all really escalated on Sunday afternoon, which coincided with LA Pride. People were literally going straight from Pride events to the protests, demanding an end to ICE raids. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Protesters: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Who’s got the power? We’ve got the power! What kind of power? People Power! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They even managed to shut down the freeway. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Protesters: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Weirdo! Weirdos! Weirdo! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So the LAPD has deployed rubber bullets and surveillance drones in addition to the tear gas and flashbang grenades. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think they’re going to push in from this side of the road. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then there’s everything with Waymos. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, like a few months ago, we did an episode on the recent uptick in Waymo vandalism. And as a reminder, Waymos are the autonomous self-driving cars that operate in a few cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles. But Morgan, why don’t you walk us through what Waymos have to do with the protests? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, a bunch of Waymos happened to be nearby during the protests downtown. And amid the confrontation between law enforcement and protestors, those Waymos were tagged with anti-ICE messages and then set on fire, which went super viral. So there’s been a lot of discourse around Waymo vandalism and property damage during these protests. But I think it’s important to remember that Waymos have become representative of encroaching big tech, especially here in LA. There’s a lot of anger at the way that tech companies like Palantir are helping immigration enforcement. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, and plus there’s speculation that Waymos might be used as surveillance tools. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. 404 media recently reported that the LAPD has used footage obtained from a Waymo to investigate crimes. So a lot people are suspicious of autonomous vehicles right now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Yeah, so what else is happening in LA? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, now the latest escalation is that the Trump administration is sending Marines to LA? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I saw that. It really looks like a war zone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, only around certain parts of L.A. But the president is posting through it on Truth Social. He’s called the protests “a riot.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wow, I haven’t seen any of that because I’m not on Truth Social, but does this bring us back to Elon Musk? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Also not on Truth Social, but I did see screenshots on Twitter. And yes, one of the posts that Musk shared on Twitter, or X, calls for a ban on masks at protests. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And like we talked about in our surveillance series a few weeks ago, masks have become a staple at protests to avoid facial recognition. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That and also to reduce exposure to tear gas, pepper spray, and airborne viruses like COVID. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, but like we’ve seen in the student protests for Palestine over the last year, there’s been an effort to make protesters easier to identify. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. On Truth Social, Trump has also called for the arrest of anyone wearing a mask. So masking has become a real point of contention in these protests as activists demand that ICE agents and LAPD and other law enforcement officials also unmask when showing up to protests. This is a thing in Los Angeles especially. Activists have made an effort to identify ICE agents and publicize their names and faces so that anyone at risk of deportation knows who to avoid. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But now some conservative lawmakers are trying to penalize anyone who identifies a law enforcement officer. Republican Senator Marsha Blackburn recently proposed legislation that would punish people with up to five years in prison for identifying ICE agents. But, we’ll have to see how the protests unfold throughout the rest of the month. ICE operations in LA are supposed to continue for the next 30 days. But it is worth noting that the president’s social media posts aren’t like legal powers enshrined in the Constitution. They can’t enforce a mask ban just because he posted about it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They can’t legally enforce that. But we’ve seen this administration do plenty of things they’re not supposed to do. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So true. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. Executive orders are quick to enact, and the justice system is really slow. And those things have real consequences for all of us. So, while Twitter memes are a nice distraction, let’s remember how serious this is. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Absolutely. I mean, I’m trying to curb my Twitter addiction, but between the memes and the important protest information, it’s just really hard to leave. Anyway, those were all our updates. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for joining, Maya. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Anytime Morgan, because I literally work here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Speaking of protest information, if you do find yourself in a protest zone, stay safe. We’ll leave some links about protecting your digital privacy in the show notes. And it might be worth going back and listening to our two-part series called The Surveillance Machine. We’ll be back next week with part two of our series on Spotify. For now, let’s close all these tabs. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. Our producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Jen Chien is KQED’s Director of Podcasts and helps edit the show. Sound design by Maya Cueva. Original music by Chris Egusa. Additional music by APM. Mixing and mastering by Brendan Willard. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad and Alana Walker. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager. And Holly Kernan is our Chief Content Officer. Support for this program comes from Birong Hu and supporters of the KQED Studios Fund. Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by the Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco Northern California Local. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keyboard sounds were recorded on my purple and pink Dustsilver K-84 wired mechanical keyboard with Gateron Red switches. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you have feedback, or a topic you think we should cover, hit us up at CloseAllTabs@kqed.org. Follow us on instagram at “close all tabs pod.” Or drop it on Discord — we’re in the Close All Tabs channel at discord.gg/KQED. And if you’re enjoying the show, give us a rating on Apple podcasts or whatever platform you use. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for listening!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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And joining me to help sort through all of it is our producer, Maya Cueva. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>Hey Morgan!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>Hey Maya. So this will be a bit of a speed round. Two quick tabs today. And as a side quest, I am going to try to make the case to you, Maya, for why I’ve stayed on Twitter, or as we now call it, X. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, please make your case, because it’s hard for me to get why anyone would want to stay on X, but I do want to understand. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I will try my best. Okay, we’ve got a few things to cover today, including what’s happening with Waymos and protest surveillance in LA. But before we get to that, we have to talk about something that happened last week. Elon Musk and Donald Trump finally broke up. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Maya, are you ready? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, Morgan. Let’s open a new tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Great Elon Crash Out. Back in March, we did a series on “the Broligarchy,” and more specifically, the ideology that drives tech titans like Elon Musk as they accumulate political power. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And how they might use that power to influence U.S. Policy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re seeing a rise in what I guess we’ll call the “Broligarchy”. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 2: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The “Broligarchs” really have an explicit political agenda. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 3: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How do you survive the “Broligarchy”? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And nothing embodied the Broligarchy quite like the relationship between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump. And I just want to say up front, this stuff is really serious, right? Like the fact that these two men control so many levers of power and the ripple effects of their decisions have already had massive and sometimes devastating consequences — that should be a source of concern for us all. But at the same time, their personal relationship, what many have called a bromance, there’s something kind of funny about it. Like it has high school vibes. And social media has really eaten that up. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it seems like that relationship is over, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s true. At least it is as of when we’re recording this, on Monday afternoon. After less than a year since Musk publicly endorsed Trump, the bromance is dead. Okay, let’s start right after Election Day. They were still pretty cozy back then. This was Trump in his victory speech right after winning the election. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donald Trump: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let me tell you, we have a new star. A star is born, Elon. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then Elon starts overseeing DOGE, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. He’s the face of the Department of Government Efficiency. And under his de facto leadership, DOGE is slashing government agencies left and right. We see mass layoffs and the dismantling of aid programs. And it’s an accounting and privacy disaster. Obviously, Trump and Musk are getting a lot of backlash over this. And we start to see cracks in the relationship. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, yeah, and didn’t that bizarre White House Tesla showcase happen during all of this? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, by March, Tesla stock was down by like 45%. So while Tesla is slumping as a company, Trump and Musk turned the White House lawn into a Tesla showroom. They live stream it on X and Trump makes a show of wanting to buy one. He really talks up the Cybertruck. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donald Trump: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Who else but this guy would design this, and everybody on the road is looking at it. It’s amazing, actually. As soon as I saw it, I said, that is the coolest design. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So you know how there’s always that one couple on Instagram that you know is not doing well, but they overcompensate by posting really, like, lovey-dovey captions and all that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ugh, yes, it’s like, why are you pretending? You’re not fooling anyone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so I think this Tesla showcase is kind of like that. That same month, as the White House gets heat for DOGE’s actions, Trump goes on Truth Social and says that the agency heads are in charge of staffing, not Musk and DOGE. This is when the president starts to rein Musk in. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so we’ve heard that Trump and Musk are getting backlash for a lot of the actions they’re taking, especially DOGE, and Musk’s companies are suffering. And all of this seems to be creating tension, right? So when did the actual breakup happen? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, at the start of last month, Musk says he’s stepping back from DOGE to focus on his own companies like Tesla and SpaceX. A few weeks later, Musk goes on CBS and bashes the president’s budget proposal, what Trump calls his “Big, Beautiful Bill.” Musk says that bill increases the budget deficit and undermines DOGE’s work. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Elon Musk: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful, but I don’t know if it could be both. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And by the end of the month, the White House announces that Musk’s temporary role as a special government employee has ended. They host a ceremony, and the president makes this grand gesture of gifting Musk a gold key to the White house. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Donald Trump: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I have given it to some, but it goes to very special people, and I thought I’d give it to Elon as a presentation from our country. Thank you, Elon. Take care. Thank you \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so this seems pretty cordial to me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, it’s like that part of a breakup where you tell people you’re still on good terms and you wish each other the best and you’re going to be in each other’s lives, all that. But like, we know what happens. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh yeah, we’ve all been there before. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, except these are two exceptionally powerful men. So this is where it gets really juicy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, tell me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So a couple of days ago, Musk goes on X and starts tearing apart the bill. He says, hold on, let me pull it up. “This massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You KNOW it.” And Trump tells reporters that Musk is upset because the bill would end tax credits for electric vehicles. And then these guys just start going at it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait, so what happened? Can you break it down for me? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is why I say I will never leave the app, because as bad as it gets, there are still days when everyone comes out of hibernation and just starts posting. And this includes Elon Musk. So he starts firing off at Trump on X. First, he says that Trump would have lost the election without him. Trump goes to Truth Social, and he says Musk went crazy after he was asked to leave the White House. He threatens to cut Musk’s government subsidies and contracts. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And I’m guessing Elon Musk didn’t take that well. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, not at all. Musk goes nuclear. He runs back to X and posts something that makes everyone’s jaw drop. He claims that the president is in the Epstein files. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. So it’s worth noting that Trump was once publicly friends with the pedophile and sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein. But he hasn’t been implicated in any of the investigations into Epstein or his accomplices. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it can’t get worse than that, right? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">He kept going. In another post, Musk says that the tariffs will cause a recession. And then he reposts someone else who says that Trump should be impeached and replaced with JD Vance. So this is all what people are calling a “generational crash out.” Were you seeing any of this? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Honestly, Morgan, not the full back and forth. Like I got the condensed version from IG Reels, reacting to them fighting. And I saw some funny responses like when AOC quoted Azealea Banks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Reporter: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Any quick reaction on what’s going on with Elon Musk and President Trump on Twitter right now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh man, the girls are fighting, aren’t they? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is the reason I’m still on this hellish app. There were so many good memes about this breakup. Like there’s this one where someone posted a picture of Trump and Musk together and then captioned it with the lyrics from the Bon Iver song, Skinny Love, classic breakup song. We’ve all been there. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or someone else posted this edit mashing up a scene from the Diary of a Wimpy Kid Movie, and Driver’s License by Olivia Rodrigo. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Diary of a Wimpy Kid Movie: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You broke my hand and you didn’t even seem sorry. That broken hand was the best thing that ever happened to you. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And they captioned it, “the two most powerful men in the country on a random Thursday.”. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s hilarious. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’ll tell you about one example that really sent me. Maya, are you familiar with old man yaoi? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait no, what is that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So this is one of those very online, deep internet things, so just stay with me here. Old man yaoi is kind of like a jokey fan fiction trope. Yaoi is this Japanese term that refers to gay male relationships in manga and anime. Sometimes it’s called BL, or boy’s love, and people will also tag fan fiction as yaoi. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Old man yaoi is this term for older male characters, and naturally, Because the internet is the way it is, there is a lot of tongue-in-cheek old man yaoi about Trump. Wait, really? Last year, there was a lot of enemies-to-lovers old man yaoi about Trump and former President Joe Biden. And now, there is old man yaoi about Trump and Musk. Can I read you an excerpt that I saw on X during the great crash out? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I guess. I don’t think I have a choice here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sorry, you do not. Okay. So here’s a dramatic reading of some old man yaoi posted by X user. Aegonism. Aegonism, thank you for making my day. “Donald, please, let’s just talk about this,” Elon pleads, attempting to catch the other man’s eyes. But Donald rolls over in bed, presenting his back to him. The tension in the bedroom is suffocating, and Elon tries to take a deep breath, but it feels like he can barely get any air. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“There’s nothing to talk about,” Donald finally responds, flatly, and Elon is taken aback by his tone. He sounds so cold and distant. He doesn’t want to fight. He can feel tears welling up and he takes a moment to wipe his face before continuing, hoping Donald won’t notice his red rimmed eyes. “Don, this bill is bad for Tesla. You have to understand that.” Donald sighs heavily. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh my God, I literally have no words. I do admire the creativity though. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Again, one of the top 10 days on Twitter. This app is terrible, but there’s nothing that’s really taken its place for me. I get a lot of news from Reddit and Bluesky, funny posts from Tumblr, and Instagram is great for organizing and sharing resources, and honestly, good shitpost accounts. TikTok is up there with good content too, but there is nothing that quite has the same real-time, super fast memeability like Twitter does, and you’re definitely not getting the stuff on threads. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, I feel like I am convinced now. So what are some of the other top meme days on Twitter? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, just a recent years, Luigi. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>Right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Speaker 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do want to give a credit to Luigi Mangione \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Will Smith Oscar slap. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Chris Rock: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Will Smith just smacked the shit out of me. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You remember that time that ship got stuck in the Suez Canal? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 4: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A giant container ship ran aground in the Suez Canal after losing power. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or when President Biden dropped out of the presidential race. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 5: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">President Joe Biden’s decision not to run for re-election. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or JD Vance couch rumors, we remember that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Youtuber \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You may be wondering why you’re seeing a ton of memes and posts about Donald Trump’s VP pick, JD vance, and his sectional relationship with his couch. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do remember that and we did a story about it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But my personal favorite day is right after the election back in 2020 when Rudy Giuliani hosted a press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping instead of the Four Seasons Hotel. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Chris Hayes: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now, there is, of course, a mystery that hangs over all this, which is how the press conference came to be held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in the first place. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh my God, yes, I remember this! Okay, so I feel like I kind of get it. It’s the immediacy, right? But let’s get back to the bromance breakup, our Trump and Musk done for good? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, like any good breakup, it’s complicated. Musk actually ended up deleting some of his more incendiary posts, including the one about the Epstein files. Over the weekend, Trump told NBC News that their relationship was over and that he has no desire to repair it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>Ooof. \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Classic breakup. But it looks like Elon is the one missing Trump, but Trump is the one over it. And we’re all watching their reality TV show. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, exactly. Except, unlike Love Island-. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Love Island: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Welcome to Love Island! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This reality show also has massive real world ripple effects, which are affecting real people. The state of democracy kind of rests on the whims of these two very powerful, very egotistical guys. But I will say that the tone has changed recently. Musk is screenshotting some of Trump’s Truth Social posts and reposting them on X, appearing to agree with him. So it seems like he’s trying to make amends. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I think I did see that he was agreeing with Trump’s post condemning the protests against ICE raids in LA. I feel like we should get into that Morgan, right? In a new tab? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We definitely will. But before we do that, let’s take a quick break.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, we’re back. New tab. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What’s happening in LA ?? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so last month we did a two-part episode on the Surveillance State and how protesters and organizers are being identified and targeted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">30-Year-old Rumeysa Ozturk was on her way to break her Ramadan fast when six plain-clothed officers approached her. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Morgan, what’s going on where you are in Los Angeles? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you hear any background noise right now, it’s probably the helicopters flying over my apartment. I’m not too far from the protests, and LAPD has been circling over the city all weekend. We’re recording this on Monday evening, and the protests are still going strong. But aside from where those demonstrations are happening, at least in the neighborhood I’m in, LA is unsettlingly quiet. It’s like people are afraid to go outside, especially as ICE continues to patrol the city. But again, this is why I’m still on Twitter. There’s a pretty well-established network of mutual aid groups and organizers sharing resources and information over there. A lot of it is on Instagram, but real-time updates are coming from Twitter. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I’m seeing it all over my IG feed as well, but when did this all start? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, it all started with a string of immigration raids on Friday, from a Home Depot to a clothing store downtown. And then people who appeared for their immigration check-ins were detained and taken to unknown locations. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 2: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The FBI, Homeland Security, and ICE agents performed a raid a couple of hours ago. We’re just now seeing some people that are being detained. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And remember, Los Angeles is a sanctuary city. City resources cannot be used for federal immigration enforcement, and the city is prohibited from sharing data with immigration authorities. It’s also worth noting that Los Angeles is a city of immigrants, something that a lot of the community takes pride in. So protests started that night, one outside an immigration detention center downtown and another in the fashion district where one of the ICE raids happened. At some point, they converged. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Protesters: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let them free, let them stay! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Law enforcement showed up in riot gear to disperse the crowds. But the protests spread on Saturday across downtown LA, Compton, and Paramount. Trump deployed at least 2,000 National Guard troops in Los Angeles, which Governor Newsom has called unlawful and a serious breach of state sovereignty. Law enforcement has used tear gas and pepper spray and flashbang grenades to try to disperse the crowds. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 3: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You told me you got caught up in the tear gas as well? Describe what happened to you.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Man on the street: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, just, uh, tasted a little tear gas. Tasted like fascism. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it all really escalated on Sunday afternoon, which coincided with LA Pride. People were literally going straight from Pride events to the protests, demanding an end to ICE raids. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Protesters: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Who’s got the power? We’ve got the power! What kind of power? People Power! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They even managed to shut down the freeway. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Protesters: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Weirdo! Weirdos! Weirdo! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So the LAPD has deployed rubber bullets and surveillance drones in addition to the tear gas and flashbang grenades. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>News Anchor 1: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think they’re going to push in from this side of the road. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then there’s everything with Waymos. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, like a few months ago, we did an episode on the recent uptick in Waymo vandalism. And as a reminder, Waymos are the autonomous self-driving cars that operate in a few cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles. But Morgan, why don’t you walk us through what Waymos have to do with the protests? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, a bunch of Waymos happened to be nearby during the protests downtown. And amid the confrontation between law enforcement and protestors, those Waymos were tagged with anti-ICE messages and then set on fire, which went super viral. So there’s been a lot of discourse around Waymo vandalism and property damage during these protests. But I think it’s important to remember that Waymos have become representative of encroaching big tech, especially here in LA. There’s a lot of anger at the way that tech companies like Palantir are helping immigration enforcement. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, and plus there’s speculation that Waymos might be used as surveillance tools. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. 404 media recently reported that the LAPD has used footage obtained from a Waymo to investigate crimes. So a lot people are suspicious of autonomous vehicles right now. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Yeah, so what else is happening in LA? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, now the latest escalation is that the Trump administration is sending Marines to LA? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I saw that. It really looks like a war zone. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, only around certain parts of L.A. But the president is posting through it on Truth Social. He’s called the protests “a riot.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wow, I haven’t seen any of that because I’m not on Truth Social, but does this bring us back to Elon Musk? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Also not on Truth Social, but I did see screenshots on Twitter. And yes, one of the posts that Musk shared on Twitter, or X, calls for a ban on masks at protests. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And like we talked about in our surveillance series a few weeks ago, masks have become a staple at protests to avoid facial recognition. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That and also to reduce exposure to tear gas, pepper spray, and airborne viruses like COVID. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, but like we’ve seen in the student protests for Palestine over the last year, there’s been an effort to make protesters easier to identify. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. On Truth Social, Trump has also called for the arrest of anyone wearing a mask. So masking has become a real point of contention in these protests as activists demand that ICE agents and LAPD and other law enforcement officials also unmask when showing up to protests. This is a thing in Los Angeles especially. Activists have made an effort to identify ICE agents and publicize their names and faces so that anyone at risk of deportation knows who to avoid. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But now some conservative lawmakers are trying to penalize anyone who identifies a law enforcement officer. Republican Senator Marsha Blackburn recently proposed legislation that would punish people with up to five years in prison for identifying ICE agents. But, we’ll have to see how the protests unfold throughout the rest of the month. ICE operations in LA are supposed to continue for the next 30 days. But it is worth noting that the president’s social media posts aren’t like legal powers enshrined in the Constitution. They can’t enforce a mask ban just because he posted about it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">They can’t legally enforce that. But we’ve seen this administration do plenty of things they’re not supposed to do. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So true. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Maya Cueva: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. Executive orders are quick to enact, and the justice system is really slow. And those things have real consequences for all of us. So, while Twitter memes are a nice distraction, let’s remember how serious this is. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Absolutely. I mean, I’m trying to curb my Twitter addiction, but between the memes and the important protest information, it’s just really hard to leave. 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Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by the Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco Northern California Local. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Keyboard sounds were recorded on my purple and pink Dustsilver K-84 wired mechanical keyboard with Gateron Red switches. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you have feedback, or a topic you think we should cover, hit us up at CloseAllTabs@kqed.org. Follow us on instagram at “close all tabs pod.” Or drop it on Discord — we’re in the Close All Tabs channel at discord.gg/KQED. And if you’re enjoying the show, give us a rating on Apple podcasts or whatever platform you use. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for listening!\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>"
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"content": "\u003cp>Hundreds gathered near \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/oakland\">Oakland’s\u003c/a> Fruitvale BART Station on Tuesday night to protest increased immigration enforcement and show solidarity with Bay Area immigrant communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The interfaith vigil was planned in response to actions by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles over the weekend. The crowd held white church candles and protest signs as they listened to performances, speeches and rallying cries from faith leaders and local officials, including Oakland Mayor Barbara Lee and Alameda County Supervisor Nikki Fortunato Bas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I feel that the president and the current administration is grossly overstepping and abusing their power. And I feel that, as a religious person, communities of faith need to show up and stand in solidarity with immigrants who are threatened and afraid,” Rabbi Chai Levy, an Albany resident, told KQED. “It’s important to show up as people of conscience and morality and say that we’re against what our government is doing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Levy had a sign that read “Resisting tyrants since Pharaoh,” a reference to the biblical story of the Israelites’ oppression in Egypt, and a broader tradition of standing up against injustice and authoritarian rule.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s part of our religious tradition to care for the stranger, to love our neighbor and to stand up to tyrants,” said Levy, 53.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043711\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043711\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-07-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-07-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-07-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-07-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Demonstrators gather for an interfaith vigil at Fruitvale Plaza in Oakland on June 10, 2025, in solidarity with immigrants and protesters in Los Angeles. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Dennis Kim, a registered nurse and Oakland resident, said he attended the vigil to stand in solidarity with other families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m standing with my family — with my son, with my partner — and with all these beautiful people out here, because this is what Fruitvale is about,” Kim, 47, said. “\u003cem>This\u003c/em> is what Oakland is about. \u003cem>This\u003c/em> is what the Bay is about.”[aside postID=news_12043548 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/AP25160742848163-scaled.jpg']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Oakland resident continued: “When I see the people that they’re taking away on television, I see people that look like me. I see people who could be my uncle, who could be my auntie, and I don’t want to wait too late to speak up and to take a stand. If not now, then when? We got to do it now.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lee, who represented Oakland in Congress for more than two decades before being elected mayor in April, told the crowd she was born in El Paso, Texas, a city located on the Rio Grande along the Mexico–U.S. border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We stand firmly with Los Angeles families, firmly with our Los Angeles brothers and sisters facing federal immigration raids,” Lee said. “The Bay Area and Los Angeles are united. When any community is threatened, we all respond with compassion, with strength and with action.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Immigrant communities — yes, our immigrant communities — are the heartbeat of Oakland, enriching our neighborhoods with diverse cultures, languages and experience, and deserve the quality of life that every human being deserves.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043714\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043714\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-10-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-10-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-10-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-10-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hundreds peacefully gathered at Fruitvale Plaza in Oakland on June 10, 2025, in solidarity with immigrants. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Activists provided a hotline number and told people to report ICE sightings and arrests, like those that took place earlier Tuesday at immigration courts in San Francisco and Concord.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday, San Francisco’s immigration court was \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043596/protesters-swarm-sf-immigration-court-after-more-ice-arrests\">shut down for the day\u003c/a> after more than 100 people rallied against the arrests of at least two immigrants by federal officers at the downtown building. The arrests were the first in more than two weeks at the 100 Montgomery St. site, where ICE officers began making \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12041473/unprecedented-ice-officers-operating-inside-bay-area-immigration-courts-lawyers-say\">unprecedented detainments\u003c/a> of people reporting for asylum hearings last month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last week, ICE officials detained \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12042887/ice-arrests-15-people-in-san-francisco-including-a-child\">at least 15 immigrants\u003c/a>, including a 3-year-old child, attending check-in appointments at the ICE field office in San Francisco. On Friday, a man was arrested at the city’s federal courthouse after appearing for an immigration hearing there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The return of ICE agents to the downtown immigration court comes after \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043544/dozens-more-arrested-in-calmer-night-of-san-francisco-ice-protests\">two nights of protests\u003c/a> across San Francisco denouncing the ramped-up enforcement efforts and the Trump administration’s deployment of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043548/california-asks-court-to-stop-national-guard-marines-from-patrolling-la-streets\">National Guard troops\u003c/a> — usually under states’ direction — to Los Angeles to quell protests there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More than 150 people \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12043333/san-francisco-prepares-for-more-ice-protests-after-night-of-mass-arrests\">were arrested\u003c/a> after an offshoot of a San Francisco protest became violent Sunday night, and further arrests were made following a peaceful march that brought thousands of people to the Mission District on Monday evening.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12043710\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12043710\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-06-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-06-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-06-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250610-OAKLAND-ICE-VIGIL-MD-06-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jovanna Diaz waves a Mexican flag during an interfaith vigil at Fruitvale Plaza in Oakland on June 10, 2025. Diaz was there to honor her father. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>On Tuesday night in Oakland, about 500 people peacefully gathered at Fruitvale Plaza, standing beneath blooming lavender jacaranda trees. Some attendees waved Mexican flags, while others held candles or signs that read “Keep families together,” “Can’t spell cowardice without ICE,” and “I prefer my ICE crushed.”[aside postID=news_12043596 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/250609-SF-IMMIGRATION-PROTESTS-MD-12-KQED.jpg']\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is time for us to say, ‘Not in our city.’ We will stop, we will block, we will drive out ICE,” said Kampala Taiz-Rancifer, the Oakland teachers union president. “We will protect our classrooms. We will protect our streets. We will protect our homes. Together, we rise for the dignity of our families and our right to live without fear.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The crowd was both tense and energetic as community leaders and organizers took turns expressing support for immigrants. In between their remarks, a live band coaxed the crowd to dance to cumbia beats. The event had the feel of a family gathering.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But just feet from where the vigil was taking place, a group of workers feverishly cut two-by-fours and sheets of plywood to board up the windows of a Citibank branch.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jovanna Diaz waved a large Mexican flag from atop a trash can. The Oakland resident said she attended the vigil to honor her father, who was deported following an ICE raid in 2006. 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