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"content": "\u003cp>The ballots are in, and although they’re still being counted, the result is all but certain. \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12055340/san-francisco-supervisor-joel-engardio-braces-for-tuesday-recall-vote\">Joel Engardio is out\u003c/a> as San Francisco’s District 4 supervisor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For many in and around the Sunset District, the city’s latest recall election boiled down to Engardio’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12055288/san-francisco-supervisor-recall-asks-whose-voices-are-heard-in-a-fight-over-a-park\">support for closing\u003c/a> a 2-mile stretch of the Great Highway, but already residents are gearing up for their next battle: a rezoning proposal from Mayor Daniel Lurie.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lurie’s Family Zoning Plan aims to build more housing in the Sunset and other neighborhoods by increasing density, particularly along transit and commercial corridors, allowing for about 36,000 new homes and taller buildings on the city’s west and north sides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mayor, who stayed on the sidelines throughout the recall campaign, is likely to face staunch opposition from the same organizers who led the push against Engardio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For too long, residents have been treated as if their voices don’t count, while special interest and developers have been allowed to dictate the future of our neighborhoods,” former San Francisco Supervisor Quentin Kopp said at the recall victory party on Tuesday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056229\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056229\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supporters of the recall cheer during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept. 16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>With nearly 65% of district voters supporting his removal in initial returns, Engardio conceded the race shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This victory, if it holds, is more than the removal of one person. It’s a declaration that our homes and neighborhoods aren’t bargaining chips,” Kopp said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Candy-colored \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12033966/sfs-single-family-home-neighborhoods-apartments-65-story-towers-downtown\">single-family homes\u003c/a>, beach bungalows and family-run businesses are a hallmark of the Sunset. It’s a picturesque neighborhood that’s largely resisted the kind of development and change seen on the city’s skyscraper-studded east side.[aside postID=news_12055340 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-46-BL.jpg']As Lurie’s zoning proposal moves forward, the Sunset will be at the forefront of the city’s longstanding battle between preserving neighborhood character and building denser housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The recall organizers have been very clear that recalling Supervisor Engardio is only their first step,” state Sen. Scott Wiener, a supporter of the zoning proposal, \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1968343570089415093\">posted on social media platform X\u003c/a>. “They are mobilizing to try to stop Mayor Lurie’s housing plan — a plan designed to ensure San Francisco is more affordable and that middle and working class people can actually live here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters of the rezoning plan, who include Engardio, say it’s necessary to open more housing in a city crunched for affordable living options, and to meet a state mandate to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11993388/new-state-law-slashed-sfs-housing-permit-timeline-will-builders-follow\">build more homes\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need to build housing so we can have a thriving city. It’s very important that we think about the next generation and what we are doing to ensure they can stay in San Francisco,” Engardio said after conceding. “We need to allow ourselves to do bold things so we can have a future as a city. San Francisco needs to be the most progressive that embraces the future.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of Engardio’s supporters in the Sunset agree and want denser housing in their neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056241\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056241\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supervisor Joel Engardio speaks with attendees at his election night gathering in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept. 16, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“It’s not like I’m asking for these high rises here and there. Family housing should stay family housing, but there should be more housing supply for younger people,” said Albert Lam, a Sunset resident. “Our housing prices are so expensive, like the people who lived here before can’t afford to live here anymore.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But critics of the proposal say upzoning won’t solve the affordability crisis, arguing that it will bring in more market-rate units at the expense of the neighborhood’s renters, homeowners and small businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio “knows that if market-rate housing goes up, that will raise property taxes for families on a fixed income and force them to sell. He is deliberately breaking up immigrant communities, deliberately displacing our most vulnerable people,” said Otto Pippenger, a lead organizer for the pro-recall campaign. “The government’s responsibility is to the people in greatest need, not the convenience and wealth of those who are doing best. That’s what this is about.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supervisors have introduced supporting legislation aiming to prevent evictions and help small businesses that could be threatened by the zoning changes and development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The amendments haven’t soothed the concerns of Sunset residents like Stephen Gorski, who voted to recall Engardio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056219\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056219\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A supporter of the recall wears a sticker on his hat during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept.16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“What we want is representation, and we want clarity and truth and to feel like we’re being heard, which is not the case,” he said from the election victory party at Celia’s by the Beach, a Mexican restaurant in the neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though Lurie avoided taking a position on the push to oust Engardio — a fellow moderate Democrat who has backed many of the mayor’s policies — he released a statement after election results came in thanking those “who made their voices heard” in the recall vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Sunset largely voted to elect Lurie into office, and his response to the recall shows he’s walking a tightrope trying to keep the neighborhood on his side.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I heard countless west side families say what San Franciscans have been feeling for years: that their government is doing things to them, not with them, and that government is not working to make their lives better,” Lurie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12003092\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12003092\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Then-mayoral candidate Daniel Lurie shakes voter Diane Lee’s hand as he campaigns at the Sunset Night Market in San Francisco on Aug. 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After Engardio’s recall, the mayor will appoint an interim supervisor to fill his seat until voters elect a new supervisor next year. Whoever he chooses will have a challenging task ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to be intense and fierce, and whoever is brave enough to put their name out there in front of this district at this moment when they have been emboldened by these results will be a difficult needle to thread for anyone,” said Joe Arellano, spokesperson for the campaign to keep Engardio in office. “Frankly, I am concerned as a citizen who wants to see the city evolve and build more housing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not clear who Lurie will tap for the seat. Political onlookers say it will be tricky to find someone open to revisiting the Great Highway park debate but also supportive of the mayor’s housing plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He’s going to go for somebody who was really loyal, who’s going to follow the Lurie agenda and be a supporter of that,” said political consultant Jim Ross, who worked on the campaign to keep District Attorney Chesa Boudin in office when he was recalled in 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056226\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056226\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supporters of the recall cheer during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept. 16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Ross said this week’s vote against Engardio, driven largely by local community members who were dramatically out-fundraised by their opponents, signals that the city’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053978/california-recall-fever-hits-san-franciscos-quiet-westside\">recall fever\u003c/a> might not be going away just yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio is the seventh elected official in the Bay Area to be recalled in recent years, following \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11916212/chesa-boudin-recall-sf-voters-on-track-to-oust-district-attorney\">Boudin\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11904879/sf-school-board-recall-results-alison-collins-gabriela-lopez-and-faauuga-moliga-headed-for-recall\">three members of the San Francisco Board of Education\u003c/a>, as well as \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12012357/sheng-thao-accepts-defeat-in-contentious-oakland-mayoral-recall\">Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12012651/alameda-county-district-attorney-pamela-price\">Alameda County District Attorney Pamela Price\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’re going to continue seeing recalls moving forward. This is not going to be the last one,” Ross said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Regardless of where one stands on the housing debate, some residents said they want the city to revisit changes to election rules that could make it harder for a recall to get on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would absolutely vote to minimize or eliminate recalls. You can hold people accountable during normal elections,” Eamon Barisone, a Sunset resident, said outside a polling place on Tuesday. “I voted against the [Engardio] recall because I generally don’t like recalls.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before he was elected supervisor, Engardio himself supported the 2022 recall of Boudin and the Board of Education members that same year. When asked if he would support changes to recall elections after his own removal, he said he didn’t yet have any comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Perhaps? But as someone who’s just been through a recall, let me process that for a bit,” he said. “But maybe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The mayor, who stayed on the sidelines throughout the recall campaign, is likely to face staunch opposition from the same organizers who led the push against Engardio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“For too long, residents have been treated as if their voices don’t count, while special interest and developers have been allowed to dictate the future of our neighborhoods,” former San Francisco Supervisor Quentin Kopp said at the recall victory party on Tuesday night.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056229\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056229\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-41-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supporters of the recall cheer during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept. 16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>With nearly 65% of district voters supporting his removal in initial returns, Engardio conceded the race shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This victory, if it holds, is more than the removal of one person. It’s a declaration that our homes and neighborhoods aren’t bargaining chips,” Kopp said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Candy-colored \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12033966/sfs-single-family-home-neighborhoods-apartments-65-story-towers-downtown\">single-family homes\u003c/a>, beach bungalows and family-run businesses are a hallmark of the Sunset. It’s a picturesque neighborhood that’s largely resisted the kind of development and change seen on the city’s skyscraper-studded east side.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>As Lurie’s zoning proposal moves forward, the Sunset will be at the forefront of the city’s longstanding battle between preserving neighborhood character and building denser housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The recall organizers have been very clear that recalling Supervisor Engardio is only their first step,” state Sen. Scott Wiener, a supporter of the zoning proposal, \u003ca href=\"https://x.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1968343570089415093\">posted on social media platform X\u003c/a>. “They are mobilizing to try to stop Mayor Lurie’s housing plan — a plan designed to ensure San Francisco is more affordable and that middle and working class people can actually live here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supporters of the rezoning plan, who include Engardio, say it’s necessary to open more housing in a city crunched for affordable living options, and to meet a state mandate to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11993388/new-state-law-slashed-sfs-housing-permit-timeline-will-builders-follow\">build more homes\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We need to build housing so we can have a thriving city. It’s very important that we think about the next generation and what we are doing to ensure they can stay in San Francisco,” Engardio said after conceding. “We need to allow ourselves to do bold things so we can have a future as a city. San Francisco needs to be the most progressive that embraces the future.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of Engardio’s supporters in the Sunset agree and want denser housing in their neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056241\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056241\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-45-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supervisor Joel Engardio speaks with attendees at his election night gathering in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept. 16, 2025. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“It’s not like I’m asking for these high rises here and there. Family housing should stay family housing, but there should be more housing supply for younger people,” said Albert Lam, a Sunset resident. “Our housing prices are so expensive, like the people who lived here before can’t afford to live here anymore.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But critics of the proposal say upzoning won’t solve the affordability crisis, arguing that it will bring in more market-rate units at the expense of the neighborhood’s renters, homeowners and small businesses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio “knows that if market-rate housing goes up, that will raise property taxes for families on a fixed income and force them to sell. He is deliberately breaking up immigrant communities, deliberately displacing our most vulnerable people,” said Otto Pippenger, a lead organizer for the pro-recall campaign. “The government’s responsibility is to the people in greatest need, not the convenience and wealth of those who are doing best. That’s what this is about.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Supervisors have introduced supporting legislation aiming to prevent evictions and help small businesses that could be threatened by the zoning changes and development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The amendments haven’t soothed the concerns of Sunset residents like Stephen Gorski, who voted to recall Engardio.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056219\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056219\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-19-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A supporter of the recall wears a sticker on his hat during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept.16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“What we want is representation, and we want clarity and truth and to feel like we’re being heard, which is not the case,” he said from the election victory party at Celia’s by the Beach, a Mexican restaurant in the neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though Lurie avoided taking a position on the push to oust Engardio — a fellow moderate Democrat who has backed many of the mayor’s policies — he released a statement after election results came in thanking those “who made their voices heard” in the recall vote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Sunset largely voted to elect Lurie into office, and his response to the recall shows he’s walking a tightrope trying to keep the neighborhood on his side.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I heard countless west side families say what San Franciscans have been feeling for years: that their government is doing things to them, not with them, and that government is not working to make their lives better,” Lurie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12003092\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12003092\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/09/20240830-AAPIVOTERS-JY-004-KQED-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Then-mayoral candidate Daniel Lurie shakes voter Diane Lee’s hand as he campaigns at the Sunset Night Market in San Francisco on Aug. 30, 2024. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>After Engardio’s recall, the mayor will appoint an interim supervisor to fill his seat until voters elect a new supervisor next year. Whoever he chooses will have a challenging task ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s going to be intense and fierce, and whoever is brave enough to put their name out there in front of this district at this moment when they have been emboldened by these results will be a difficult needle to thread for anyone,” said Joe Arellano, spokesperson for the campaign to keep Engardio in office. “Frankly, I am concerned as a citizen who wants to see the city evolve and build more housing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s not clear who Lurie will tap for the seat. Political onlookers say it will be tricky to find someone open to revisiting the Great Highway park debate but also supportive of the mayor’s housing plan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“He’s going to go for somebody who was really loyal, who’s going to follow the Lurie agenda and be a supporter of that,” said political consultant Jim Ross, who worked on the campaign to keep District Attorney Chesa Boudin in office when he was recalled in 2022.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056226\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056226\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-30-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supporters of the recall cheer during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on Sept. 16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Ross said this week’s vote against Engardio, driven largely by local community members who were dramatically out-fundraised by their opponents, signals that the city’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053978/california-recall-fever-hits-san-franciscos-quiet-westside\">recall fever\u003c/a> might not be going away just yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio is the seventh elected official in the Bay Area to be recalled in recent years, following \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11916212/chesa-boudin-recall-sf-voters-on-track-to-oust-district-attorney\">Boudin\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11904879/sf-school-board-recall-results-alison-collins-gabriela-lopez-and-faauuga-moliga-headed-for-recall\">three members of the San Francisco Board of Education\u003c/a>, as well as \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12012357/sheng-thao-accepts-defeat-in-contentious-oakland-mayoral-recall\">Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12012651/alameda-county-district-attorney-pamela-price\">Alameda County District Attorney Pamela Price\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’re going to continue seeing recalls moving forward. This is not going to be the last one,” Ross said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Regardless of where one stands on the housing debate, some residents said they want the city to revisit changes to election rules that could make it harder for a recall to get on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I would absolutely vote to minimize or eliminate recalls. You can hold people accountable during normal elections,” Eamon Barisone, a Sunset resident, said outside a polling place on Tuesday. “I voted against the [Engardio] recall because I generally don’t like recalls.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Before he was elected supervisor, Engardio himself supported the 2022 recall of Boudin and the Board of Education members that same year. When asked if he would support changes to recall elections after his own removal, he said he didn’t yet have any comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Perhaps? But as someone who’s just been through a recall, let me process that for a bit,” he said. “But maybe.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>A 2025 proposal from President Donald Trump’s administration would open up nearly 4 million acres of land in California to logging and road construction — by rescinding the so-called “Roadless Rule” law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With \u003ca href=\"https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/08/29/2025-16581/special-areas-roadless-area-conservation-national-forest-system-lands\">the deadline for giving public comment\u003c/a> on Friday, advocates for protecting public lands are urging members of the public to speak up in defense of these wilderness places. But what’s really at stake — and why is the Trump administration going after roadless lands?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We break down the Roadless Rule, the debate around these lands and what a change in the law might mean for public lands in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Jump straight to:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#WhydoestheTrump\">Why does the Trump administration want to open up these areas to roads?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Whatpubliclands\">What public lands are at stake?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Isthisreallygoing\">Is this really going to help with wildfire mitigation?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Whathappensnext\">What happens next, and how can I weigh in?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"WhydoestheTrump\">\u003c/a>What is the Trump administration proposing and why?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Almost a quarter of a century ago, the 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Rule identified nearly 45 million acres of U.S. National Forest land where the construction of roads would be prohibited — effectively making timber logging and harvesting impossible in these spaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Jan_5_151122_2001.html\">2001 rule was first instituted by former President Bill Clinton\u003c/a>, with the intent of not only preserving national forests but also protecting vital ecosystems and watersheds throughout the country. By bisecting wilderness areas, \u003ca href=\"https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/clas/ctip/wildlife_crossing_structures/ch_2.aspx#:~:text=As%20a%20result%2C%20today%20many,may%20be%20blocked%20or%20altered.\">roads are known to be harmful to ecosystems\u003c/a> by separating wildlife, rerouting water and introducing humans and machinery to a landscape that isn’t used to these interruptions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056324\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12056324 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-2000x1333.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An aerial view of the Trinity Alps in northern California on June 25, 2025. \u003ccite>(Marli Miller/UCG/Universal Images Group via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Earlier this summer, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, led by Secretary Brooke Rollins, submitted a “\u003ca href=\"https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/08/29/2025-16581/special-areas-roadless-area-conservation-national-forest-system-lands\">notice of intent\u003c/a>” to rescind the Roadless Rule.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change, the administration claims, is to help prevent wildfires — both by opening up access for firefighters in these densely forested areas and also to perform forest management, like forest thinning, to help reduce the fire risk in these forests.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Whatpubliclands\">\u003c/a>If the Roadless Rule is rescinded, what lands might be affected?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In California alone, 4 million acres would potentially be opened up to roadbuilding. Not all Forest Service land is roadless, but in California, \u003ca href=\"https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R46504\">roadless lands constitute 21% of Forest Service land, and 4% of the whole state overall. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That includes lands surrounding Lake Tahoe, Yosemite National Park and other parts of the Sierra Nevada and Sierra Foothills. Farther north, areas like Mendocino, the Trinity Alps and Castle Crags could be opened up with new roads. The law also covers parts of the Big Sur and the San Gabriel Mountains to the south.[aside postID=news_12046147 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/06/452872414_qed.jpg']An analysis by the National Parks Conservation Association found that 30% of the affected lands are within 30 miles of national parks, including along the Pacific Crest Trail in California. The \u003ca href=\"https://www.pcta.org/2025/scrapping-the-roadless-rule-will-harm-the-pct-96600/\">Pacific Crest Trail Association said around 9% of the trail\u003c/a>, which stretches from Canada to Mexico through some of the West Coast’s most rugged lands, \u003ca href=\"https://pcta.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?appid=39ee0c9dd291447a843a1f9a14d20541\">would be affected\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While \u003ca href=\"https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/06/23/secretary-rollins-rescinds-roadless-rule-eliminating-impediment-responsible-forest-management\">the Trump administration argues\u003c/a> building roads and strategically logging forests could reduce wildfire risks in these areas, public lands advocates like the \u003ca href=\"https://www.outdooralliance.org/roadless\">Outdoor Alliance\u003c/a>, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npca.org/articles/10409-hands-off-public-lands-parks-group-decries-proposed-rollback-of-roadless\">National Parks Conservation Association\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2025/08/trump-administration-attempt-repeal-roadless-rule-met-widespread-opposition\">Sierra Club\u003c/a> say the wildfire argument is a red herring for the administration’s real goal: to \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/immediate-expansion-of-american-timber-production/\">open up more public lands for extraction\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Advocates also point to \u003ca href=\"https://www.wilderness.org/sites/default/files/media/file/Summary%20NFS%20roads%20fire%20paper%20-%202025.pdf\">studies\u003c/a> that show \u003ca href=\"https://www.pacificbio.org/publications/wildfire_studies/Roads_And_Wildfires_2007.pdf\">fires are much more likely to start in areas with roads\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everyone who cares for America’s national parks and public lands should be deeply alarmed about attempts to dismantle the roadless rule,” wrote Beau Kiklis, associate director of energy and landscape conservation for the NPCA, in a statement to KQED. “This is nothing short of another brazen attempt to sell off America’s public lands, by opening up these forest lands for industrial logging, roadbuilding and other development.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Environmental advocates also worry that these lands being opened to roads and logging may affect sources of clean water — like freshwater rivers across California — that millions of people rely on for their drinking water.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Isthisreallygoing\">\u003c/a>What do wildfire and forestry experts say?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Supporters of Trump’s proposal say that while \u003ca href=\"https://readyforwildfire.org/prevent-wildfire/\">humans start 95% of wildfires in California and worldwide\u003c/a> — and roads undoubtedly allow people to travel \u003cem>into \u003c/em>the wilderness — roads can also play a part in wildfire mitigation and firefighting. Fires need to be accessed to be fought, and the roadways themselves can often serve as firebreaks, \u003ca href=\"https://www.fs.usda.gov/inside-fs/leadership/its-time-common-sense-roadless-reform\">Forest Service Chief Tom Schultz said,\u003c/a> saying 8 million acres of roadless areas have burned since 2001. Some experts even say that \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/08/29/nx-s1-5521379/trump-administration-forest-roads-roadless-rule-firefighters-wildfire#:~:text=While%20the%20Roadless%20Rule%20prohibits,the%20area%20would%20normally%20have.\">a “surgical” approach\u003c/a> to building new roads could be beneficial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Hotshot Wakeup, a podcast and blog run by wildland firefighters, \u003ca href=\"https://thehotshotwakeup.substack.com/p/forest-service-chief-applauds-usda\">spoke out in defense of maintaining \u003cem>existing \u003c/em>roads\u003c/a>, saying unmaintained wilderness roads often set back firefighters — but did not weigh in on whether the Roadless Rule should be rescinded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055321\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055321\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A plane drops fire retardant on the Garnet Fire on Aug. 26, 2025, in Fresno County, California. \u003ccite>(Ethan Swope/AP Photo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But opponents of the potential repeal say the rule already allows roads to be constructed if one is \u003ca href=\"https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R46504\">“needed to protect health and safety in cases of imminent danger, such as wildfire\u003c/a>.” And \u003ca href=\"https://earthjustice.org/feature/timeline-of-the-roadless-rule\">one former Forest Service chief told NPR\u003c/a> that the rule also includes exceptions for small-scale logging in the case of habitat protection or to reduce wildfire risk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/2025/06/roadless-rule-repeal-california-forests/#:~:text=The%20roadless%20rule%20already%20allows,the%20risk%20of%20severe%20wildfires.\">\u003cem>CalMatters\u003c/em> analysis found\u003c/a> that the California Forestry Association, while in support of the Trump administration’s proposed repeal, doesn’t see the Roadless Rule as a “significant impediment” to fire management.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Whathappensnext\">\u003c/a>What happens next, and how can I weigh in?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As part of the public process under the National Environmental Policy Act, the rescission is subject to a public comment period, which ends on Friday, Sept. 19. \u003ca href=\"https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/08/29/2025-16581/special-areas-roadless-area-conservation-national-forest-system-lands\">Public comments can be submitted via the Federal Register, the federal government’s journal.\u003c/a>[aside postID=news_12055659 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-15-BL-KQED.jpg']Once public comments are in, the Forest Service must prepare an environmental impact statement, which the agency said \u003ca href=\"https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-0001\">it aims to do by March 2026\u003c/a>. That, too, will be subject to public comment before the administration can fully end the rule by late 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Public comment is part of the NEPA process, and environmental reviews can slow down implementation of a policy so much that it never gets implemented, but the comments themselves can’t directly block a proposal like this one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-0001\">But past challenges to the rule have succeeded in the courts\u003c/a>, and organizations like \u003ca href=\"https://earthjustice.org/feature/timeline-of-the-roadless-rule\">Earthjustice have vowed to continue their fight to maintain the rule. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, the rule has faced legal challenges since its inception in 2001, including pushback by former President George W. Bush’s administration and the first Trump administration, and multiple legal challenges from individual states, which sought to establish their own rules. So far, California Gov. Gavin Newsom has not weighed in on this attempt to rescind the rule or whether California would protect its roadless wilderness in other ways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A 2025 proposal from President Donald Trump’s administration would open up nearly 4 million acres of land in California to logging and road construction — by rescinding the so-called “Roadless Rule” law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>With \u003ca href=\"https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/08/29/2025-16581/special-areas-roadless-area-conservation-national-forest-system-lands\">the deadline for giving public comment\u003c/a> on Friday, advocates for protecting public lands are urging members of the public to speak up in defense of these wilderness places. But what’s really at stake — and why is the Trump administration going after roadless lands?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We break down the Roadless Rule, the debate around these lands and what a change in the law might mean for public lands in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Jump straight to:\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#WhydoestheTrump\">Why does the Trump administration want to open up these areas to roads?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Whatpubliclands\">What public lands are at stake?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Isthisreallygoing\">Is this really going to help with wildfire mitigation?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#Whathappensnext\">What happens next, and how can I weigh in?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"WhydoestheTrump\">\u003c/a>What is the Trump administration proposing and why?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Almost a quarter of a century ago, the 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Rule identified nearly 45 million acres of U.S. National Forest land where the construction of roads would be prohibited — effectively making timber logging and harvesting impossible in these spaces.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Jan_5_151122_2001.html\">2001 rule was first instituted by former President Bill Clinton\u003c/a>, with the intent of not only preserving national forests but also protecting vital ecosystems and watersheds throughout the country. By bisecting wilderness areas, \u003ca href=\"https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/clas/ctip/wildlife_crossing_structures/ch_2.aspx#:~:text=As%20a%20result%2C%20today%20many,may%20be%20blocked%20or%20altered.\">roads are known to be harmful to ecosystems\u003c/a> by separating wildlife, rerouting water and introducing humans and machinery to a landscape that isn’t used to these interruptions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056324\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2560px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-scaled.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12056324 size-full\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-2000x1333.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/GettyImages-2230843397-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An aerial view of the Trinity Alps in northern California on June 25, 2025. \u003ccite>(Marli Miller/UCG/Universal Images Group via Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Earlier this summer, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, led by Secretary Brooke Rollins, submitted a “\u003ca href=\"https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/08/29/2025-16581/special-areas-roadless-area-conservation-national-forest-system-lands\">notice of intent\u003c/a>” to rescind the Roadless Rule.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The change, the administration claims, is to help prevent wildfires — both by opening up access for firefighters in these densely forested areas and also to perform forest management, like forest thinning, to help reduce the fire risk in these forests.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Whatpubliclands\">\u003c/a>If the Roadless Rule is rescinded, what lands might be affected?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In California alone, 4 million acres would potentially be opened up to roadbuilding. Not all Forest Service land is roadless, but in California, \u003ca href=\"https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R46504\">roadless lands constitute 21% of Forest Service land, and 4% of the whole state overall. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That includes lands surrounding Lake Tahoe, Yosemite National Park and other parts of the Sierra Nevada and Sierra Foothills. Farther north, areas like Mendocino, the Trinity Alps and Castle Crags could be opened up with new roads. The law also covers parts of the Big Sur and the San Gabriel Mountains to the south.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>An analysis by the National Parks Conservation Association found that 30% of the affected lands are within 30 miles of national parks, including along the Pacific Crest Trail in California. The \u003ca href=\"https://www.pcta.org/2025/scrapping-the-roadless-rule-will-harm-the-pct-96600/\">Pacific Crest Trail Association said around 9% of the trail\u003c/a>, which stretches from Canada to Mexico through some of the West Coast’s most rugged lands, \u003ca href=\"https://pcta.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?appid=39ee0c9dd291447a843a1f9a14d20541\">would be affected\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While \u003ca href=\"https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/06/23/secretary-rollins-rescinds-roadless-rule-eliminating-impediment-responsible-forest-management\">the Trump administration argues\u003c/a> building roads and strategically logging forests could reduce wildfire risks in these areas, public lands advocates like the \u003ca href=\"https://www.outdooralliance.org/roadless\">Outdoor Alliance\u003c/a>, the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npca.org/articles/10409-hands-off-public-lands-parks-group-decries-proposed-rollback-of-roadless\">National Parks Conservation Association\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2025/08/trump-administration-attempt-repeal-roadless-rule-met-widespread-opposition\">Sierra Club\u003c/a> say the wildfire argument is a red herring for the administration’s real goal: to \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/immediate-expansion-of-american-timber-production/\">open up more public lands for extraction\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Advocates also point to \u003ca href=\"https://www.wilderness.org/sites/default/files/media/file/Summary%20NFS%20roads%20fire%20paper%20-%202025.pdf\">studies\u003c/a> that show \u003ca href=\"https://www.pacificbio.org/publications/wildfire_studies/Roads_And_Wildfires_2007.pdf\">fires are much more likely to start in areas with roads\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Everyone who cares for America’s national parks and public lands should be deeply alarmed about attempts to dismantle the roadless rule,” wrote Beau Kiklis, associate director of energy and landscape conservation for the NPCA, in a statement to KQED. “This is nothing short of another brazen attempt to sell off America’s public lands, by opening up these forest lands for industrial logging, roadbuilding and other development.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Environmental advocates also worry that these lands being opened to roads and logging may affect sources of clean water — like freshwater rivers across California — that millions of people rely on for their drinking water.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Isthisreallygoing\">\u003c/a>What do wildfire and forestry experts say?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Supporters of Trump’s proposal say that while \u003ca href=\"https://readyforwildfire.org/prevent-wildfire/\">humans start 95% of wildfires in California and worldwide\u003c/a> — and roads undoubtedly allow people to travel \u003cem>into \u003c/em>the wilderness — roads can also play a part in wildfire mitigation and firefighting. Fires need to be accessed to be fought, and the roadways themselves can often serve as firebreaks, \u003ca href=\"https://www.fs.usda.gov/inside-fs/leadership/its-time-common-sense-roadless-reform\">Forest Service Chief Tom Schultz said,\u003c/a> saying 8 million acres of roadless areas have burned since 2001. Some experts even say that \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/08/29/nx-s1-5521379/trump-administration-forest-roads-roadless-rule-firefighters-wildfire#:~:text=While%20the%20Roadless%20Rule%20prohibits,the%20area%20would%20normally%20have.\">a “surgical” approach\u003c/a> to building new roads could be beneficial.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Hotshot Wakeup, a podcast and blog run by wildland firefighters, \u003ca href=\"https://thehotshotwakeup.substack.com/p/forest-service-chief-applauds-usda\">spoke out in defense of maintaining \u003cem>existing \u003c/em>roads\u003c/a>, saying unmaintained wilderness roads often set back firefighters — but did not weigh in on whether the Roadless Rule should be rescinded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055321\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055321\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/Garnet-Fire-AP-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A plane drops fire retardant on the Garnet Fire on Aug. 26, 2025, in Fresno County, California. \u003ccite>(Ethan Swope/AP Photo)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But opponents of the potential repeal say the rule already allows roads to be constructed if one is \u003ca href=\"https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R46504\">“needed to protect health and safety in cases of imminent danger, such as wildfire\u003c/a>.” And \u003ca href=\"https://earthjustice.org/feature/timeline-of-the-roadless-rule\">one former Forest Service chief told NPR\u003c/a> that the rule also includes exceptions for small-scale logging in the case of habitat protection or to reduce wildfire risk.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/environment/2025/06/roadless-rule-repeal-california-forests/#:~:text=The%20roadless%20rule%20already%20allows,the%20risk%20of%20severe%20wildfires.\">\u003cem>CalMatters\u003c/em> analysis found\u003c/a> that the California Forestry Association, while in support of the Trump administration’s proposed repeal, doesn’t see the Roadless Rule as a “significant impediment” to fire management.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003ca id=\"Whathappensnext\">\u003c/a>What happens next, and how can I weigh in?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>As part of the public process under the National Environmental Policy Act, the rescission is subject to a public comment period, which ends on Friday, Sept. 19. \u003ca href=\"https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/08/29/2025-16581/special-areas-roadless-area-conservation-national-forest-system-lands\">Public comments can be submitted via the Federal Register, the federal government’s journal.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Once public comments are in, the Forest Service must prepare an environmental impact statement, which the agency said \u003ca href=\"https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-0001\">it aims to do by March 2026\u003c/a>. That, too, will be subject to public comment before the administration can fully end the rule by late 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Public comment is part of the NEPA process, and environmental reviews can slow down implementation of a policy so much that it never gets implemented, but the comments themselves can’t directly block a proposal like this one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.regulations.gov/document/FS-2025-0001-0001\">But past challenges to the rule have succeeded in the courts\u003c/a>, and organizations like \u003ca href=\"https://earthjustice.org/feature/timeline-of-the-roadless-rule\">Earthjustice have vowed to continue their fight to maintain the rule. \u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In fact, the rule has faced legal challenges since its inception in 2001, including pushback by former President George W. Bush’s administration and the first Trump administration, and multiple legal challenges from individual states, which sought to establish their own rules. So far, California Gov. Gavin Newsom has not weighed in on this attempt to rescind the rule or whether California would protect its roadless wilderness in other ways.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>San Francisco Supervisor Joel Engardio conceded Tuesday night in the District 4 recall election, after early returns showed about 64% of voters supporting his removal. The vote reflected backlash from Sunset residents over his support for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1995077/yes-on-k-declares-victory-on-san-franciscos-proposition-k\">Proposition K\u003c/a>, which turned part of the Great Highway into Sunset Dunes park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My time as a supervisor will be shorter than expected, but we can still celebrate because we’re on the right side of history,” Engardio said after conceding. “Sunset Dunes is a success. It’s good for the environment. It’s great for local businesses. It’s bringing joy to generations of people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Voters citywide approved Proposition K, but most Sunset residents who live \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12055288/san-francisco-supervisor-recall-asks-whose-voices-are-heard-in-a-fight-over-a-park\">closest to the park\u003c/a> opposed it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At Celia’s by the Beach on Judah Street, a Mexican restaurant in the Sunset, the room erupted in cheers as early results were posted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Quentin Kopp grabbed the microphone, telling the crowd the Sunset “can’t be bought” and warning that the next fight would be over Mayor Daniel Lurie’s zoning plan. Campaign organizer Otto Pippenger credited the Chinese community for driving what he called a “successful recall.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Glasses clinked, margaritas sloshed and the energy was electric as supporters toasted the moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056227\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056227\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Recall supporters Vera Genkin-Tuttle (left) and Jen Dougherty cheer during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on September 16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Roughly 50,000 residents were eligible to vote in the recall, and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfelections.org/tools/election_data/turnout_vbm.php\">16,278 ballots\u003c/a> had been submitted as of Tuesday night, according to the Department of Elections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio continues to support the park. He and his supporters note that the lower portion of the Great Highway is already closed because of coastal erosion. They argue the park is both necessary to adapt to the changing landscape and valuable as a recreation space for residents across the region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056206\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056206\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Henry Flynn talks with a man on Judah Street in San Francisco’s Sunset District on Sept. 16, 2025, election day, during the recall vote for Supervisor Joel Engardio.\u003c/span> \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Henry Flynn, a fourth-generation San Franciscan, called the recall “democracy 101,” focusing on the Great Highway closure as a sign that city leaders ignored residents’ wishes. “If a majority votes you in and wants a vital roadway open, ignoring them isn’t democratic,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Flynn, who grew up in the Richmond District, criticized the weekend-only closure and dismissed coastal erosion and maintenance costs as a “scapegoat,” noting the park has created new problems like trash and human waste. On recalls, he said officials who turn their backs on constituents should face consequences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement Tuesday night, Lurie thanked Engardio for his service and District 4 residents “who made their voices heard.” He said many westside families feel that “their government is doing things to them, not with them,” and pledged to continue communicating openly on issues such as public safety, housing and public space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As votes are still being counted and the election will be certified in the coming weeks, our team is evaluating next steps for the District 4 supervisor seat,” Lurie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056203\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056203\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Erin and Jeremy Stewart spoke with precinct inspector Ellen Edelson outside Eagle Pizzeria in San Francisco’s Sunset District on Sept. 16, 2025, election day, during the recall vote for Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>CC Sofronas said she voted early and against the recall. She sympathized with Sunset residents frustrated by the closure of the Great Highway but preferred to accept the city’s decision and move forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I in fact voted to keep it open for transit and closed for weekends last fall,” Sofronas said. “But because it passed to close, I just felt let’s just go with it. I didn’t want to spend resources on a recall. People could just vote him out the next time.”[aside postID=news_12054762 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-11-BL.jpg']Sofronas said the city could explore recall reform, noting that frequent recalls may reduce the impact of each vote. She described the campaign as divisive but said it has remained manageable in her neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are strong views on both sides, and some of my closest friends feel differently,” she said. “We can co-exist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio’s opponents had also cited traffic problems from losing a key thoroughfare in a quiet, residential neighborhood. At a recent public meeting, dozens of recall supporters complained about longer commutes and “bumper to bumper” congestion near the park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An SFMTA study, however, found minimal impact. The city has since adjusted traffic light patterns in the neighborhood. Engardio’s stance on other issues, such as Lurie’s proposal to bring more housing to the Sunset, has also fueled recall momentum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is another huge, generational, landscape-changing subject and he’s doing it more or less with his crowd. 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Chinese voters in the Sunset were divided over whether to support the recall of Supervisor Joel Engardio, who backed the proposal to close off the Great Highway to cars and open a new park. \u003ccite>(Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Engardio’s supporters say they like the park for expanding access to nature and recreation — and they welcome more housing in the neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I love the park. I go there all the time. 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Our Outer Richmond location has increased a little bit, but not as much as our Sunset locations,” Crabbe said. “It’s encouraging people to spend more time in the Sunset as opposed to just driving around it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lurie will appoint an interim supervisor until the next election in 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How long until the Great Highway reopens to cars? That would require another ballot measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lot of feeling like, ‘How come the other side of the city got to have a say in what happens in the Sunset?’ But it’s important to know that many recallers put their own measure on the ballot in 2022 — and they lost,” Engardio said. “I thought, maybe it’s better to go with more democracy and let everyone have a say, because the coast belongs to everyone, not just one neighborhood.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>San Francisco Supervisor Joel Engardio conceded Tuesday night in the District 4 recall election, after early returns showed about 64% of voters supporting his removal. The vote reflected backlash from Sunset residents over his support for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/science/1995077/yes-on-k-declares-victory-on-san-franciscos-proposition-k\">Proposition K\u003c/a>, which turned part of the Great Highway into Sunset Dunes park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My time as a supervisor will be shorter than expected, but we can still celebrate because we’re on the right side of history,” Engardio said after conceding. “Sunset Dunes is a success. It’s good for the environment. It’s great for local businesses. It’s bringing joy to generations of people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Voters citywide approved Proposition K, but most Sunset residents who live \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12055288/san-francisco-supervisor-recall-asks-whose-voices-are-heard-in-a-fight-over-a-park\">closest to the park\u003c/a> opposed it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At Celia’s by the Beach on Judah Street, a Mexican restaurant in the Sunset, the room erupted in cheers as early results were posted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Quentin Kopp grabbed the microphone, telling the crowd the Sunset “can’t be bought” and warning that the next fight would be over Mayor Daniel Lurie’s zoning plan. Campaign organizer Otto Pippenger credited the Chinese community for driving what he called a “successful recall.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Glasses clinked, margaritas sloshed and the energy was electric as supporters toasted the moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056227\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056227\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-33-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Recall supporters Vera Genkin-Tuttle (left) and Jen Dougherty cheer during an election night party at Celia’s by the Beach in the Sunset District of San Francisco on September 16, 2025, during an election to decide whether to recall Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Roughly 50,000 residents were eligible to vote in the recall, and \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfelections.org/tools/election_data/turnout_vbm.php\">16,278 ballots\u003c/a> had been submitted as of Tuesday night, according to the Department of Elections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio continues to support the park. He and his supporters note that the lower portion of the Great Highway is already closed because of coastal erosion. They argue the park is both necessary to adapt to the changing landscape and valuable as a recreation space for residents across the region.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056206\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056206\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-12-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Henry Flynn talks with a man on Judah Street in San Francisco’s Sunset District on Sept. 16, 2025, election day, during the recall vote for Supervisor Joel Engardio.\u003c/span> \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Henry Flynn, a fourth-generation San Franciscan, called the recall “democracy 101,” focusing on the Great Highway closure as a sign that city leaders ignored residents’ wishes. “If a majority votes you in and wants a vital roadway open, ignoring them isn’t democratic,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Flynn, who grew up in the Richmond District, criticized the weekend-only closure and dismissed coastal erosion and maintenance costs as a “scapegoat,” noting the park has created new problems like trash and human waste. On recalls, he said officials who turn their backs on constituents should face consequences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a statement Tuesday night, Lurie thanked Engardio for his service and District 4 residents “who made their voices heard.” He said many westside families feel that “their government is doing things to them, not with them,” and pledged to continue communicating openly on issues such as public safety, housing and public space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As votes are still being counted and the election will be certified in the coming weeks, our team is evaluating next steps for the District 4 supervisor seat,” Lurie said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12056203\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12056203\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250916-RecallElectionNight-07-BL-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Erin and Jeremy Stewart spoke with precinct inspector Ellen Edelson outside Eagle Pizzeria in San Francisco’s Sunset District on Sept. 16, 2025, election day, during the recall vote for Supervisor Joel Engardio. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>CC Sofronas said she voted early and against the recall. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Sofronas said the city could explore recall reform, noting that frequent recalls may reduce the impact of each vote. She described the campaign as divisive but said it has remained manageable in her neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There are strong views on both sides, and some of my closest friends feel differently,” she said. “We can co-exist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Engardio’s opponents had also cited traffic problems from losing a key thoroughfare in a quiet, residential neighborhood. At a recent public meeting, dozens of recall supporters complained about longer commutes and “bumper to bumper” congestion near the park.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An SFMTA study, however, found minimal impact. The city has since adjusted traffic light patterns in the neighborhood. Engardio’s stance on other issues, such as Lurie’s proposal to bring more housing to the Sunset, has also fueled recall momentum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“This is another huge, generational, landscape-changing subject and he’s doing it more or less with his crowd. It’s totally unfair,” Sunset resident Albert Chow said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055057\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055057\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250903-SUNSETCHINESERECALL00180_TV-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250903-SUNSETCHINESERECALL00180_TV-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250903-SUNSETCHINESERECALL00180_TV-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250903-SUNSETCHINESERECALL00180_TV-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Albert Chow (left) and his mother, Mariana Chow (right), discussed the destruction of their business, Great Wall Hardware, by fire in the Sunset District, outside the store on Taraval Street in San Francisco on September 3, 2025. Chinese voters in the Sunset were divided over whether to support the recall of Supervisor Joel Engardio, who backed the proposal to close off the Great Highway to cars and open a new park. \u003ccite>(Tâm Vũ/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Engardio’s supporters say they like the park for expanding access to nature and recreation — and they welcome more housing in the neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I love the park. I go there all the time. I have two young kids, so I’m always down there walking my dogs and taking the kids out,” said Lauren Crabbe, a Sunset resident and owner of Andytown Coffee. “I think it’s just a really beautiful reclamation of space.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12035808\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12035808\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250412_SunsetDunesGrandOpening_GC-17_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250412_SunsetDunesGrandOpening_GC-17_qed.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250412_SunsetDunesGrandOpening_GC-17_qed-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250412_SunsetDunesGrandOpening_GC-17_qed-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250412_SunsetDunesGrandOpening_GC-17_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250412_SunsetDunesGrandOpening_GC-17_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/04/20250412_SunsetDunesGrandOpening_GC-17_qed-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People attend the grand opening of Sunset Dunes Park on the Upper Great Highway in San Francisco on April 12, 2025. \u003ccite>(Gina Castro/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Crabbe said her business has seen an uptick in sales since the park opened this summer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I do credit the park for a lot of that. Our Outer Richmond location has increased a little bit, but not as much as our Sunset locations,” Crabbe said. “It’s encouraging people to spend more time in the Sunset as opposed to just driving around it.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lurie will appoint an interim supervisor until the next election in 2026.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>How long until the Great Highway reopens to cars? That would require another ballot measure.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lot of feeling like, ‘How come the other side of the city got to have a say in what happens in the Sunset?’ But it’s important to know that many recallers put their own measure on the ballot in 2022 — and they lost,” Engardio said. “I thought, maybe it’s better to go with more democracy and let everyone have a say, because the coast belongs to everyone, not just one neighborhood.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">What is a “groyper?” The term began trending on Google in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s death. Kirk, the right-wing podcaster and Turning Point USA co-founder, was fatally shot last Wednesday during an event at Utah Valley University. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Major news outlets quickly reported that authorities had found bullet casings engraved with a series of seemingly inscrutable messages, including, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Notices bulge, OwO, what’s this?\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">”; \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “Hey fascist! Catch!” followed by arrow symbols; “Bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao”; and “If you read this you are gay LMAO.” For most, the phrases seemed bizarre and incomprehensible. But for Aidan Walker, an internet researcher and meme historian, the messages told a clear story which many media outlets had missed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On today’s episode, Aidan joins Morgan to break down what the messages may tell us about the alleged shooter, how a fringe extremist group known as “groypers” might be involved, and \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">what the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s death portends for our political and media landscapes.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC9395527724\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guests: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.aidanwalker.info/\">Aidan Walker\u003c/a>, independent writer, content creator, and internet culture researcher\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Further reading/listening: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://howtodothingswithmemes.substack.com/p/a-theory-of-groyperfication\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">a theory of groyperfication\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Aidan Walker, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How To Do Things With Memes \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tyler-robinson-text-messages-roommate-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-rcna231732\">Suspect in Charlie Kirk shooting texted roommate he ‘had enough of his hatred,’ officials say\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Doha Madani & Corky Siemaszko, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>NBC News\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-meme\">Charlie Kirk was killed by a meme\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Ryan Broderick & Adam Bumas\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>, \u003ci>Garbage Day\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.advocate.com/news/wall-street-journal-charlie-kirk\">Wall Street Journal quietly walks back false claim Charlie Kirk shooter had pro-trans messages on his bullets\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Christopher Wiggins\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>Advocate \u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.usermag.co/p/conservatives-are-doxxing-innocent-people-over-charlie-kirk-ali-nasrati\">Conservatives Are Doxxing Innocent People Over Charlie Kirk\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Taylor Lorenz, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>User Mag\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/charlie-kirk-assassination-sparks\">Charlie Kirk Assassination Sparks Social Media Crackdown\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Ken Klippenstein, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>Ken Klippenstein \u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/us/charlie-kirk-views-guns-gender-climate.html\">Where Charlie Kirk Stood on Key Political Issues\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Ashley Ahn & Maxine Joselow, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>The New York Times\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Chris Stein, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Guardian\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Want to give us feedback on the show? Shoot us an email at \u003ca href=\"mailto:CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\">CloseAllTabs@KQED.org\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/closealltabspod/\">Follow us on Instagram\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Charlie Kirk, the right-wing podcaster and Turning Point USA co-founder, was fatally shot on stage last Wednesday during an event at Utah Valley University. Kirk’s death has become a major cultural flashpoint. For many, it’s become an opportunity to point fingers at the other side. It’s also a moment that has shone a spotlight into corners of internet culture that don’t normally make it to, quote, “normie news.” We’re gonna dive into that in today’s episode. But first, let’s go through what we know so far. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal and other news outlets reported that authorities found ammunition engraved with expressions of, quote, “transgender and anti-fascist ideology.” The description came from an unverified internal law enforcement bulletin. Early reporting did not include any photos of the bullets or the precise words engraved on the bullet casings. LGBTQ organizations like GLAAD, Human Rights Campaign, and the Trans Journalist Association spoke out against using the phrase “transgender ideology” because it’s often used to attack marginalized people for political gain. Trans communities faced an onslaught of harassment and violent rhetoric after that report came out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The next day, on Friday, Utah Governor Spencer Cox announced that authorities had identified and arrested a suspect: 22-year-old Tyler Robinson. In a press conference, Governor Cox also detailed the messages engraved on the bullet casings linked to Robinson. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b>\u003cb> \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Inscriptions on a fired casing read, “Notices bulges, capital O W O, what’s this?” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The messages on the unfired casings said, “Hey fascist! Catch!” with a few arrow symbols, and “Bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao.” The final unfired casing said: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox\u003c/b>\u003cb>: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you read this you are gay LMAO. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">These engravings all contain references to memes and video games. In the days that followed, political pundits, extremism experts, and mainstream news organizations tried to decipher the engravings. And through that, explained Robinson’s alleged political motives. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Los Angeles Times: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The O-U-O is a mistype of W-O-W. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MSNBC \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Really, I would need to actually see these words in the way that they are on the bullet casings and the gun to make a proper interpretation. But just knowing what those words are, I’m kind of overwhelmed with how immature it all sounds and that there is no really chronic theme. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NBC News: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s a piece of evidence that is not normal, and so it shows there was some kind of intent there to to deliver a message. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MSNBC: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But also some of these things aren’t — don’t make a lot of sense and it almost seems like there might be some type of a psych problem here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As of this recording, we’ve learned that Robinson has been charged with aggravated murder and could face the death penalty. The court documents contained messages from Robinson to his roommate slash romantic partner, referring to Charlie Kirk. Robinson wrote, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” He also said that messages he engraved in the bullets were, quote, “mostly a big meme.” Quote, “If I see notices bulges uwu on fox news I might have a stroke.” This information wasn’t public when we started making this episode, but even with the limited details we had, we knew exactly who to call to help make sense of it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When the bullet casing kind of remark came out, um, I had several people on my TikTok commenting saying, “Aidan, talk about this, this is your moment.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Aidan Walker has been on the show a few times now. He’s an internet culture researcher and meme historian who breaks down these trends on TikTok as aidan etcetera and on his Substack, How To Do Things With Memes. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just sort of felt it was something to analyze and discuss because I think there’s a whole part of our politics that people just aren’t getting because they aren’t online enough. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many of the conversations around the alleged shooter’s digital footprint are laced with an undercurrent of trying to find a side to blame. But internet subcultures don’t always fall into neat little boxes that are clearly defined on the political spectrum. Today, we’re diving into the memes and more. What do these references really mean? What context is missing in all of these discussions? And the question that’s been Googled countless times in the last few days: what’s a groyper? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kicking off this deep dive like we always do, we open a new tab. What do the engravings mean? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Before we dive in with Aidan, I want to run through and explain each of the references found on the ammunition. First, the inscription on the fired casing. Here’s Utah Governor Spencer Cox at the press conference again. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox\u003c/b>\u003cb>: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Notices bulges, capital O-W-O, what’s this? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This seems to be a reference to a ten-year-old meme that makes fun of furry roleplay. The image depicts a grotesque caricature of two sweaty, overweight men hiding behind their computer screens — a stark contrast to the cutesy, delicate language they’re using in their messages to each other. It’s a pretty mean-spirited meme. “Notices bulge” refers to a man’s crotch, and “oWo” — O-W-O — is an emoticon often used to express being pleasantly surprised. The O’s are the wide, round eyes, and the W is the mouth. Not to be confused with the more coy “uWu” — u-W-u. Nowadays, these emoticons are used ironically. All together, the phrase has spread to other parts of the internet and has been used in other memes as a joke about the cringiest message you could send to another person. Then, there are the engravings on the unfired bullets. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey fascist exclamation point, catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow, and symbol and three down arrow symbols.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The arrows are not exactly a hidden code. This is likely a reference to the video game Helldivers 2, a first-person shooter released last year. This series of commands drops a giant bomb on any enemies, and in some corners of the internet, has been used as a meme to denote the end to an argument. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, ciao, ciao.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">These are the lyrics to an Italian folk song, known as a symbol of resistance to fascism during Benito Mussolini’s reign. But gamers and other young people might be more familiar with the version of the song from Far Cry 6, the 2021 video game. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bella Ciao de Libertad: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ciao, ciao! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then there’s the last inscription. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you read this you are gay LMAO. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This wording echoes classic homophobic trolling. Aidan says he clocks that right away. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know kind of the first headlines I saw about the bullet casings said that they like referenced “transgender ideology” and that was before we knew the specific phrasing. And then when the specific phrasing came out and it was that one of the four bullets said, “if you’re reading this you’re gay lmao”, I sort of totally saw that was bullshit. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How would you describe these meme references? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would describe them as deeply ironic, which is the phrase many have used, but also deeply nihilistic in that they come from a place where the very idea of like saying something sincerely just doesn’t exist. They’re very old as well. The first one, the furry one, talk about like, “uWu” or “oWo” , the pronunciation is up for debate. That’s a very, that’s like a decade old. These are from deep corners of the internet that are kind of illegible to anybody who has not spent a significant portion of their life in these online spaces and made me think of ways that a lot of these dank corners of the internet, which are actually pretty influential and actually very old, it’s not some new thing that the kids are doing now. How deep they’ve gone and how, you know, this probably isn’t the last thing like this to reference some arcane meme. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We don’t know the specifics of Tyler Robinson’s ideology, but do the cultural references on the bullet casing shed any light? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I think what the bullet casings tell us is that he’s not plugged into the same conversation about what’s going on in the world as you or I would be. Whether that conversation is mainstream media, you know, you’re reading a newspaper, you listen to a podcast like this, or it’s a bit more online, like you’re doom scrolling Twitter as a normal person would, or you’re, you know, on Instagram or TikTok. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think these memes come from an image board, heavy culture from kind of a private discord chat kind of culture. And not to say those cultures are always dark or insidious in any way, um, but there means that the general internet, they show up, but they’re not, you know, the entry level sorts of memes. And it makes me think that left-right doesn’t really adhere here in those spaces. This is a type of politics that’s sort of gone past the conversation we’re having, and it’s just a purely nihilistic sort of thing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Again, in the messages cited in the court documents charging Robinson with aggravated murder, he allegedly told his roommate-slash-romantic partner that the engravings were, quote, “mostly a big meme.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think we live in a time where our politics is already so scrambled. You know, we’re barraged in this media environment of things happening constantly. And the left-right kind of division of one party wants big government, one party wants small government. That isn’t really relevant to the lives that I think most Americans are leading or the things they’re worried about from or about their government. And I think, we live with such sort of this ambient layer of tension and violence going on in this country. You know national guard in the streets and so on, that this act to me seems to be about, you know, it’s a “s***post”. It’s about responding to that, mirroring that back if the world’s given you that, you give that back to the world. And to me, the bigger issue is like reality. You know, it’s like the IRL world, this is more an act against just reality or just other people or society at large. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You said that this killing was a “shitpost.” um, can you elaborate on that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So a “shitpost” is a post that does not contribute to the conversation, that does not follow the rules of the conversation. One that sort of intentionally disrupts. Sometimes “shitposts” like kind of gently spread misinformation for comedic effect. Sometimes “shitposts” are just sort of a form of trolling. But in general, it’s kind of you just break the rules in the frame of the conversation to A, insert yourself and whoever you are into it. And sort of be just, I guess, to like protest the idea that, you know, this thing should make sense or that, you know, the people talking about it have any kind of authority or knowledge or standing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so by saying this killing was a “shitpost,” I think that it makes this intervention into our political discourse, which I think for young people and zoomers, Charlie Kirk was a really major figure into it and just refuses to recognize it as coherent. Comes in there like the troll comes into the forum, and disrupts the entire conversation, accelerates whatever’s happening, radicalizes it, just sort of comes into wreak havoc and destruction. And the impact of that and the appeal of it is to makes the shitposter the center of attention and derails the posting of other people and sucks up the oxygen in the room. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, posting for the sake of posting without necessarily deeper meaning. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, posting for the sake of posting and to just like attack meaning. You know, there’s a lot of shit posters that I like personally who are doing interesting work. They’re really essential to meme culture and that kind of approach to the internet is essential. You know to say this doesn’t make sense, you know, or we can fool you into saying this because you were prepared to say it anyway. But taking that sort of ethic of discussion and deranging it in this way, I think is really disgusting. And so I don’t, it’s purposefully incoherent is kind of what I meant by it being a “shitpost”. And that’s its effect. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the search for the alleged shooter’s motives, some people theorized a connection to a white nationalist alt-right subculture known for its incendiary practices and very online community. While that theory seems more and more unlikely, the conversation around it is evergreen as more young people fall into these kinds of groups. That’s a new tab. We’ll get into that after this break. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Charlie Kirk was known for his inflammatory comments. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Charlie Kirk: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson. They’re coming out and they’re saying, “I’m only here because of affirmative action.” Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In addition to his anti-DEI stance, Kirk also opposed immigration, reproductive rights, gun control, vaccine requirements, LGBTQ rights, the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and the existence of climate change. He was a close ally of Donald Trump and was often lauded as the face of the new generation of Christian nationalism. But he was incredibly divisive. He It was even criticized by other conservatives who said that some of his speech was too extreme. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But another faction, led by an even more far-right influencer, criticized Kirk for his mainstream conservative appeal. Some people online have questioned whether the references on the bullet casings could have some connection to this alt-right subculture. To be clear, though there’s a lot we still don’t know about the specifics of the alleged shooter’s beliefs, it seems that his politics leans left of Kirk’s. Still, the groypers and their beef with Charlie Kirk are a noteworthy part of the context of this story. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that’s a new tab. What is a groyper? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, groypers are the fringiest fringe of online right-wing culture on these image boards, 4chan, Reddit, all the other platforms. Their de facto leader is this streamer, Nick Fuentes, who famously dined with Trump and Kanye West. Groypers are the people Kanye started hanging out with when he kind of took that turn. And the groypers are extremely online and they’re essentially neo-Nazis, but it’s this sort of s***poster edgelord attitude of transgressing any boundary and really having no regard for other people. Their moniker is Groyper, who is a mutation of Pepe the Frog into a toad, but kind of uh a bulbous, kind of diabolical looking toad. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pepe the Frog is a relatively innocent webcomic character of a sad, green frog who was adopted as a mascot by 4chan users and the far-right back in 2015. Over the last decade, Pepe has evolved, taking on various costumes and forms. This more monstrous iteration, Groyper, has been adopted by an even more extreme group. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And they call themselves “The Groyper Army” and they famously feuded with Charlie Kirk. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let’s talk about the Groyper Wars of 2019. Who led them, what happened, and why is this subculture being shoved into the limelight now? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So to step into the time machine back to 2019. You have Turning Point USA run by Charlie Kirk, which essentially is an operation that takes donor money from right-wing sources and Kirk’s network of college chapters and youth influencers and brings these two things together to stage these massive events that are all about bringing young people to the right-wing cause. And in a way, laundering ideas and make them a bit more palatable to the younger generation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Meanwhile, the groypers are here on these image boards posting radical stuff, many of them extremely young, like 13, 14 year olds. Um, and the groypers decide that Kirk is not radical enough for them or that Kirk is purposefully downplaying his radicality in order to, um, get mainstream appeal. And so the groypers decide to do this campaign of trolling him by showing up at these events where people are asking Kirk a question — these like “debate me” type things that he would — do and asking questions that, you know, are goading Kirk into saying something more extreme, more white supremacist, more antisemitic than what he was already saying. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And this groyper war, they come to his different events, they attack it. This all unfolds in 2019. And the leader of it is Nick Fuentes, who’s up on these streams, you know, calling his army onto Charlie Kirk, essentially. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Can you talk about what these memes and the way they engage in internet culture represents beyond like clear cut partisan lines? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, so it’s unconfirmed that Robinson was a groyper, but I’m certain in the internet spaces he frequented, he heard about it, he posted about it. He knew about it I’d imagine, just based off the niche-ness of those memes that are on the cartridges and other things we’ve learned about him. And what these memes overall show is Pepe the Frog is a collective self-portrait for a bunch of posters. And as a collective self-portrait, Pepe is interesting. You know, you can dress him up to represent whatever identity group, whatever, you know, subgroup you wanna have him be, put him in a cowboy hat, he’s Western, put them in a Confederate uniform, he’s that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Pepe’s also a very sad frog. He’s crying or about to cry. He’s very wistful and often he’s depicted as sort of very small and in these situations where he’s like a little boy or something. And so I think that is another way this community scrambles our sense of how politics usually work because you expect the fascists to you know wear boots and be really tough and try to look like you know a soldier or something but for these guys it’s all about they’re they’re just little guys. You know they’re sad they’re they’re melancholy um and the and the draw is if you two are lonely, isolated, fragile, in the world somehow, come here and you can feel strong. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And the price of that is you just reject everything that is normal and coherent in the world. And on the other side of that complete rejection, which you perform by posting the horrible meme or the hateful slur. On the other of that you find this brotherhood of violent freaks who will take you in. And I think that’s often the pitch that we see with these sort of far right online communities like groypers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, the alt-right and other, like you said, extremist communities have really taken advantage of that kind of sentiment. Can you talk about the deep emotional place that this online nihilist culture comes out of? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it’s a deep emotional place that has existed long before the internet. You know, people have felt alienated, lonely, angry by society since we had society and researchers say that one of kind of the key triggers or amplifiers of radicalization is, you know, young people with nothing to do and no hope. And I think looking at the last 10 years of culture, um, there is a lack of hope happening. Um, the economy is bad. Uh, people feel isolated, uh, people feel like systems aren’t working for them. You know, people on both the right and the left feel a certain kind of, um, uncertainty, anxiety, and just disillusionment with, you know, traditional narrators, um telling the stories of our lives. Those no longer seem to cohere and make sense. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so I think when you are a young person who is confused, who is lost, who, um doesn’t have the support structures that you need, often the catches you is this — like an incel forum or groypers or something online that really does not have your best interests at heart. And really, if anything encourages whatever pathology you might be experiencing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the mainstream, whether on your everyday X feed or the traditional news media, there has been so much debate over which side of the political spectrum Robinson fell on. But Aidan said he found this kind of speculation counterproductive. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The conversation is counterproductive to me for two reasons. The first is that it’s such a motivated conversation, particularly from the right-wing. Before anything at all was known, they were saying this was a left-wing radical. And there’s a very clear reason why they were saying that, because they have a political agenda and they have certain people on the left or liberals that they want to crack down on and this is the pretense to do that. But the second, less kind of specific reason that it feels counterproductive to me, is that we’re past a point in our political conversation where it’s about, “do you think that government programs should be smaller or larger?” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re at a point where most people are growing up in this context of disaster and crisis. And the things motivating their politics are resentments and kind of triggers that aren’t really mappable to someone from like 1995. Um, like the Republican coalition is not these days about, you know, fiscal conservatives, evangelicals, religious folks. The Democrat coalition is not necessarily like, you now, the, the post-Civil Rights coalition that existed. Um, the reasons people are in these different camps — or actually most Americans are not in either camp at all would define themselves independent — is totally different than it was in the past. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, and I think I find myself kind of struggling to find what then the new categories are, because it’s one thing, like I say in my videos, be like, “oh, it’s not a left-right issue.” Then people are like, “but then what is it?” And I think that project of figuring out what it is, you know, what it feels like, what it means, is something that, you, know, all of us are going to have to kind of go through. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In wake of the shooting, social media sites and messaging platforms are under increased scrutiny. Both law enforcement and private civilians are monitoring the posts, videos, and comments that other people make about Charlie Kirk, taking action against anyone who criticizes the very controversial influencer. How will this change the way people engage with each other online? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re opening one last tab, Discord and Doxxing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The government is cracking down on online activity revolving around Charlie Kirk’s death. In an X post last week, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth warned that the Pentagon is keeping tabs on military personnel and Department of War civilian employees who celebrate or mock Kirk’s’ death. Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau threatened to revoke visas of anyone making similar posts. The FBI is reportedly monitoring the messaging platform Discord. Even people who haven’t explicitly celebrated or mocked the killing are being harassed and targeted for what they posted online. Opinion columnist Karen Attia announced that she had been fired from the Washington Post for social media posts in the wake of Kirk’s death that called out, quote, “political violence, racial double standards, and America’s apathy toward guns.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It’s not just the government monitoring speech online. Private civilians are doing it too. An anonymously run website titled the Charlie Kirk Data Foundation has created a searchable database of people who’ve criticized Kirk online. Individual social media users have doxed others over their posts about Kirk, publicly posting their real names, phone numbers, home addresses, and other private information to target and harass them. All of this, from the government surveillance to the civilian-led doxing, is a serious threat to free speech on the internet. Here’s Aidan again. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I’m extremely concerned about it. I’m more concerned about like a chilling effect on speech or on our online discourse and memes than I am with this escalating cycle of political violence. I mean, the two go hand in hand, of course, but I think stuff like JD Vance taking over the hosting chair for Kirk’s Show and using it to call out NGOs and liberal donors and leftists. I think that crack down is something that can have much deeper effects and hurt a lot of people. And I also think that in an age where we’re maybe seeing an authoritarian consolidation, calling for bans on the internet, calling for restrictions on the internet, the context that’s going to enter into is I think that will lead us down a dark road. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Last question, what is the current conversation missing by not understanding the deeply online context of this entire case? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think the biggest thing the current conversation is missing is that it’s really not the current conversation. People who read newspapers, report for them, follow this stuff from kind of a news-brained, normie side of Twitter, I don’t think they realize that they’re just one niche among many niches on the internet. They’re a pretty big niche and a pretty important niche, of course. But I don’t think there’s really an understanding that CNN is no longer a narrator of American life. And not just from a partisan kind of perspective that really right-wing people are really left-wing people don’t listen to CNN anymore. Totally normal people don’t listen to CNN anymore because it isn’t legible to them. It doesn’t make sense to them, it talks in a way that, you know, seems to not acknowledge them or seems to treat them in a way that isn’t that respectful or doesn’t keep up with the times. And I worry that the mainstream conversation, it isn’t mainstream, but it still thinks of itself as mainstream. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, Aidan, thank you so much for joining us and for always explaining these corners of the internet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you so much for having me, Morgan, and for inviting me on. It’s always a joy. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And with that, let’s close all these tabs. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Close All Tabs is a production of KQED Studios, and is reported and hosted by me, Morgan Sung. Close All Tabs’ producer is Maya Cueva. Chris Egusa is our Senior Editor. Additional editing by Chris Hambrick and Jen Chien, who’s KQDE’s Director of Podcasts. Original music, including our theme song and credits, by Chris Egusa. Sound design by Chris Egusa. Additional music by APM. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Audience engagement support from Maha Sanad. Katie Sprenger is our Podcast Operations Manager, and Ethan Toven-Lindsey is our Editor In Chief. Some members of the KQED podcast team are represented by the Screen Actors Guild, American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, San Francisco, Northern California Local. 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Catch!” followed by arrow symbols; “Bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao”; and “If you read this you are gay LMAO.” For most, the phrases seemed bizarre and incomprehensible. But for Aidan Walker, an internet researcher and meme historian, the messages told a clear story which many media outlets had missed. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On today’s episode, Aidan joins Morgan to break down what the messages may tell us about the alleged shooter, how a fringe extremist group known as “groypers” might be involved, and \u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">what the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s death portends for our political and media landscapes.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC9395527724\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guests: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.aidanwalker.info/\">Aidan Walker\u003c/a>, independent writer, content creator, and internet culture researcher\u003c/span>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Further reading/listening: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://howtodothingswithmemes.substack.com/p/a-theory-of-groyperfication\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">a theory of groyperfication\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Aidan Walker, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How To Do Things With Memes \u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tyler-robinson-text-messages-roommate-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-rcna231732\">Suspect in Charlie Kirk shooting texted roommate he ‘had enough of his hatred,’ officials say\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Doha Madani & Corky Siemaszko, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>NBC News\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-meme\">Charlie Kirk was killed by a meme\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Ryan Broderick & Adam Bumas\u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>, \u003ci>Garbage Day\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.advocate.com/news/wall-street-journal-charlie-kirk\">Wall Street Journal quietly walks back false claim Charlie Kirk shooter had pro-trans messages on his bullets\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Christopher Wiggins\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>Advocate \u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.usermag.co/p/conservatives-are-doxxing-innocent-people-over-charlie-kirk-ali-nasrati\">Conservatives Are Doxxing Innocent People Over Charlie Kirk\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Taylor Lorenz, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>User Mag\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/charlie-kirk-assassination-sparks\">Charlie Kirk Assassination Sparks Social Media Crackdown\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Ken Klippenstein, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>Ken Klippenstein \u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/us/charlie-kirk-views-guns-gender-climate.html\">Where Charlie Kirk Stood on Key Political Issues\u003c/a>\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Ashley Ahn & Maxine Joselow, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>The New York Times\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003ci>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003c/i>\u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> — Chris Stein, \u003c/span>\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Guardian\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Want to give us feedback on the show? 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-content post-body\">\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci data-stringify-type=\"italic\">This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Charlie Kirk, the right-wing podcaster and Turning Point USA co-founder, was fatally shot on stage last Wednesday during an event at Utah Valley University. Kirk’s death has become a major cultural flashpoint. For many, it’s become an opportunity to point fingers at the other side. It’s also a moment that has shone a spotlight into corners of internet culture that don’t normally make it to, quote, “normie news.” We’re gonna dive into that in today’s episode. But first, let’s go through what we know so far. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal and other news outlets reported that authorities found ammunition engraved with expressions of, quote, “transgender and anti-fascist ideology.” The description came from an unverified internal law enforcement bulletin. Early reporting did not include any photos of the bullets or the precise words engraved on the bullet casings. LGBTQ organizations like GLAAD, Human Rights Campaign, and the Trans Journalist Association spoke out against using the phrase “transgender ideology” because it’s often used to attack marginalized people for political gain. Trans communities faced an onslaught of harassment and violent rhetoric after that report came out. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The next day, on Friday, Utah Governor Spencer Cox announced that authorities had identified and arrested a suspect: 22-year-old Tyler Robinson. In a press conference, Governor Cox also detailed the messages engraved on the bullet casings linked to Robinson. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b>\u003cb> \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Inscriptions on a fired casing read, “Notices bulges, capital O W O, what’s this?” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The messages on the unfired casings said, “Hey fascist! Catch!” with a few arrow symbols, and “Bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao.” The final unfired casing said: \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox\u003c/b>\u003cb>: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you read this you are gay LMAO. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">These engravings all contain references to memes and video games. In the days that followed, political pundits, extremism experts, and mainstream news organizations tried to decipher the engravings. And through that, explained Robinson’s alleged political motives. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Los Angeles Times: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The O-U-O is a mistype of W-O-W. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MSNBC \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Really, I would need to actually see these words in the way that they are on the bullet casings and the gun to make a proper interpretation. But just knowing what those words are, I’m kind of overwhelmed with how immature it all sounds and that there is no really chronic theme. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>NBC News: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">That’s a piece of evidence that is not normal, and so it shows there was some kind of intent there to to deliver a message. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>MSNBC: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But also some of these things aren’t — don’t make a lot of sense and it almost seems like there might be some type of a psych problem here. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">As of this recording, we’ve learned that Robinson has been charged with aggravated murder and could face the death penalty. The court documents contained messages from Robinson to his roommate slash romantic partner, referring to Charlie Kirk. Robinson wrote, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” He also said that messages he engraved in the bullets were, quote, “mostly a big meme.” Quote, “If I see notices bulges uwu on fox news I might have a stroke.” This information wasn’t public when we started making this episode, but even with the limited details we had, we knew exactly who to call to help make sense of it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When the bullet casing kind of remark came out, um, I had several people on my TikTok commenting saying, “Aidan, talk about this, this is your moment.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Aidan Walker has been on the show a few times now. He’s an internet culture researcher and meme historian who breaks down these trends on TikTok as aidan etcetera and on his Substack, How To Do Things With Memes. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I just sort of felt it was something to analyze and discuss because I think there’s a whole part of our politics that people just aren’t getting because they aren’t online enough. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many of the conversations around the alleged shooter’s digital footprint are laced with an undercurrent of trying to find a side to blame. But internet subcultures don’t always fall into neat little boxes that are clearly defined on the political spectrum. Today, we’re diving into the memes and more. What do these references really mean? What context is missing in all of these discussions? And the question that’s been Googled countless times in the last few days: what’s a groyper? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Close All Tabs. I’m Morgan Sung, tech journalist, and your chronically online friend, here to open as many browser tabs as it takes to help you understand how the digital world affects our real lives. Let’s get into it. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Kicking off this deep dive like we always do, we open a new tab. What do the engravings mean? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Before we dive in with Aidan, I want to run through and explain each of the references found on the ammunition. First, the inscription on the fired casing. Here’s Utah Governor Spencer Cox at the press conference again. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox\u003c/b>\u003cb>: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Notices bulges, capital O-W-O, what’s this? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This seems to be a reference to a ten-year-old meme that makes fun of furry roleplay. The image depicts a grotesque caricature of two sweaty, overweight men hiding behind their computer screens — a stark contrast to the cutesy, delicate language they’re using in their messages to each other. It’s a pretty mean-spirited meme. “Notices bulge” refers to a man’s crotch, and “oWo” — O-W-O — is an emoticon often used to express being pleasantly surprised. The O’s are the wide, round eyes, and the W is the mouth. Not to be confused with the more coy “uWu” — u-W-u. Nowadays, these emoticons are used ironically. All together, the phrase has spread to other parts of the internet and has been used in other memes as a joke about the cringiest message you could send to another person. Then, there are the engravings on the unfired bullets. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey fascist exclamation point, catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow, and symbol and three down arrow symbols.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The arrows are not exactly a hidden code. This is likely a reference to the video game Helldivers 2, a first-person shooter released last year. This series of commands drops a giant bomb on any enemies, and in some corners of the internet, has been used as a meme to denote the end to an argument. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, ciao, ciao.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">These are the lyrics to an Italian folk song, known as a symbol of resistance to fascism during Benito Mussolini’s reign. But gamers and other young people might be more familiar with the version of the song from Far Cry 6, the 2021 video game. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Bella Ciao de Libertad: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ciao, ciao! \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And then there’s the last inscription. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Governor Spencer Cox:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you read this you are gay LMAO. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">This wording echoes classic homophobic trolling. Aidan says he clocks that right away. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know kind of the first headlines I saw about the bullet casings said that they like referenced “transgender ideology” and that was before we knew the specific phrasing. And then when the specific phrasing came out and it was that one of the four bullets said, “if you’re reading this you’re gay lmao”, I sort of totally saw that was bullshit. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">How would you describe these meme references? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would describe them as deeply ironic, which is the phrase many have used, but also deeply nihilistic in that they come from a place where the very idea of like saying something sincerely just doesn’t exist. They’re very old as well. The first one, the furry one, talk about like, “uWu” or “oWo” , the pronunciation is up for debate. That’s a very, that’s like a decade old. These are from deep corners of the internet that are kind of illegible to anybody who has not spent a significant portion of their life in these online spaces and made me think of ways that a lot of these dank corners of the internet, which are actually pretty influential and actually very old, it’s not some new thing that the kids are doing now. How deep they’ve gone and how, you know, this probably isn’t the last thing like this to reference some arcane meme. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We don’t know the specifics of Tyler Robinson’s ideology, but do the cultural references on the bullet casing shed any light? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I think what the bullet casings tell us is that he’s not plugged into the same conversation about what’s going on in the world as you or I would be. Whether that conversation is mainstream media, you know, you’re reading a newspaper, you listen to a podcast like this, or it’s a bit more online, like you’re doom scrolling Twitter as a normal person would, or you’re, you know, on Instagram or TikTok. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think these memes come from an image board, heavy culture from kind of a private discord chat kind of culture. And not to say those cultures are always dark or insidious in any way, um, but there means that the general internet, they show up, but they’re not, you know, the entry level sorts of memes. And it makes me think that left-right doesn’t really adhere here in those spaces. This is a type of politics that’s sort of gone past the conversation we’re having, and it’s just a purely nihilistic sort of thing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Again, in the messages cited in the court documents charging Robinson with aggravated murder, he allegedly told his roommate-slash-romantic partner that the engravings were, quote, “mostly a big meme.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think we live in a time where our politics is already so scrambled. You know, we’re barraged in this media environment of things happening constantly. And the left-right kind of division of one party wants big government, one party wants small government. That isn’t really relevant to the lives that I think most Americans are leading or the things they’re worried about from or about their government. And I think, we live with such sort of this ambient layer of tension and violence going on in this country. You know national guard in the streets and so on, that this act to me seems to be about, you know, it’s a “s***post”. It’s about responding to that, mirroring that back if the world’s given you that, you give that back to the world. And to me, the bigger issue is like reality. You know, it’s like the IRL world, this is more an act against just reality or just other people or society at large. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">You said that this killing was a “shitpost.” um, can you elaborate on that? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So a “shitpost” is a post that does not contribute to the conversation, that does not follow the rules of the conversation. One that sort of intentionally disrupts. Sometimes “shitposts” like kind of gently spread misinformation for comedic effect. Sometimes “shitposts” are just sort of a form of trolling. But in general, it’s kind of you just break the rules in the frame of the conversation to A, insert yourself and whoever you are into it. And sort of be just, I guess, to like protest the idea that, you know, this thing should make sense or that, you know, the people talking about it have any kind of authority or knowledge or standing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so by saying this killing was a “shitpost,” I think that it makes this intervention into our political discourse, which I think for young people and zoomers, Charlie Kirk was a really major figure into it and just refuses to recognize it as coherent. Comes in there like the troll comes into the forum, and disrupts the entire conversation, accelerates whatever’s happening, radicalizes it, just sort of comes into wreak havoc and destruction. And the impact of that and the appeal of it is to makes the shitposter the center of attention and derails the posting of other people and sucks up the oxygen in the room. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, posting for the sake of posting without necessarily deeper meaning. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, posting for the sake of posting and to just like attack meaning. You know, there’s a lot of shit posters that I like personally who are doing interesting work. They’re really essential to meme culture and that kind of approach to the internet is essential. You know to say this doesn’t make sense, you know, or we can fool you into saying this because you were prepared to say it anyway. But taking that sort of ethic of discussion and deranging it in this way, I think is really disgusting. And so I don’t, it’s purposefully incoherent is kind of what I meant by it being a “shitpost”. And that’s its effect. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the search for the alleged shooter’s motives, some people theorized a connection to a white nationalist alt-right subculture known for its incendiary practices and very online community. While that theory seems more and more unlikely, the conversation around it is evergreen as more young people fall into these kinds of groups. That’s a new tab. We’ll get into that after this break. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Charlie Kirk was known for his inflammatory comments. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Charlie Kirk: \u003c/b>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson. They’re coming out and they’re saying, “I’m only here because of affirmative action.” Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In addition to his anti-DEI stance, Kirk also opposed immigration, reproductive rights, gun control, vaccine requirements, LGBTQ rights, the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and the existence of climate change. He was a close ally of Donald Trump and was often lauded as the face of the new generation of Christian nationalism. But he was incredibly divisive. He It was even criticized by other conservatives who said that some of his speech was too extreme. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But another faction, led by an even more far-right influencer, criticized Kirk for his mainstream conservative appeal. Some people online have questioned whether the references on the bullet casings could have some connection to this alt-right subculture. To be clear, though there’s a lot we still don’t know about the specifics of the alleged shooter’s beliefs, it seems that his politics leans left of Kirk’s. Still, the groypers and their beef with Charlie Kirk are a noteworthy part of the context of this story. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And that’s a new tab. What is a groyper? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, groypers are the fringiest fringe of online right-wing culture on these image boards, 4chan, Reddit, all the other platforms. Their de facto leader is this streamer, Nick Fuentes, who famously dined with Trump and Kanye West. Groypers are the people Kanye started hanging out with when he kind of took that turn. And the groypers are extremely online and they’re essentially neo-Nazis, but it’s this sort of s***poster edgelord attitude of transgressing any boundary and really having no regard for other people. Their moniker is Groyper, who is a mutation of Pepe the Frog into a toad, but kind of uh a bulbous, kind of diabolical looking toad. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Pepe the Frog is a relatively innocent webcomic character of a sad, green frog who was adopted as a mascot by 4chan users and the far-right back in 2015. Over the last decade, Pepe has evolved, taking on various costumes and forms. This more monstrous iteration, Groyper, has been adopted by an even more extreme group. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And they call themselves “The Groyper Army” and they famously feuded with Charlie Kirk. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let’s talk about the Groyper Wars of 2019. Who led them, what happened, and why is this subculture being shoved into the limelight now? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So to step into the time machine back to 2019. You have Turning Point USA run by Charlie Kirk, which essentially is an operation that takes donor money from right-wing sources and Kirk’s network of college chapters and youth influencers and brings these two things together to stage these massive events that are all about bringing young people to the right-wing cause. And in a way, laundering ideas and make them a bit more palatable to the younger generation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Meanwhile, the groypers are here on these image boards posting radical stuff, many of them extremely young, like 13, 14 year olds. Um, and the groypers decide that Kirk is not radical enough for them or that Kirk is purposefully downplaying his radicality in order to, um, get mainstream appeal. And so the groypers decide to do this campaign of trolling him by showing up at these events where people are asking Kirk a question — these like “debate me” type things that he would — do and asking questions that, you know, are goading Kirk into saying something more extreme, more white supremacist, more antisemitic than what he was already saying. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And this groyper war, they come to his different events, they attack it. This all unfolds in 2019. And the leader of it is Nick Fuentes, who’s up on these streams, you know, calling his army onto Charlie Kirk, essentially. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Can you talk about what these memes and the way they engage in internet culture represents beyond like clear cut partisan lines? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, so it’s unconfirmed that Robinson was a groyper, but I’m certain in the internet spaces he frequented, he heard about it, he posted about it. He knew about it I’d imagine, just based off the niche-ness of those memes that are on the cartridges and other things we’ve learned about him. And what these memes overall show is Pepe the Frog is a collective self-portrait for a bunch of posters. And as a collective self-portrait, Pepe is interesting. You know, you can dress him up to represent whatever identity group, whatever, you know, subgroup you wanna have him be, put him in a cowboy hat, he’s Western, put them in a Confederate uniform, he’s that. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But Pepe’s also a very sad frog. He’s crying or about to cry. He’s very wistful and often he’s depicted as sort of very small and in these situations where he’s like a little boy or something. And so I think that is another way this community scrambles our sense of how politics usually work because you expect the fascists to you know wear boots and be really tough and try to look like you know a soldier or something but for these guys it’s all about they’re they’re just little guys. You know they’re sad they’re they’re melancholy um and the and the draw is if you two are lonely, isolated, fragile, in the world somehow, come here and you can feel strong. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And the price of that is you just reject everything that is normal and coherent in the world. And on the other side of that complete rejection, which you perform by posting the horrible meme or the hateful slur. On the other of that you find this brotherhood of violent freaks who will take you in. And I think that’s often the pitch that we see with these sort of far right online communities like groypers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, the alt-right and other, like you said, extremist communities have really taken advantage of that kind of sentiment. Can you talk about the deep emotional place that this online nihilist culture comes out of? \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it’s a deep emotional place that has existed long before the internet. You know, people have felt alienated, lonely, angry by society since we had society and researchers say that one of kind of the key triggers or amplifiers of radicalization is, you know, young people with nothing to do and no hope. And I think looking at the last 10 years of culture, um, there is a lack of hope happening. Um, the economy is bad. Uh, people feel isolated, uh, people feel like systems aren’t working for them. You know, people on both the right and the left feel a certain kind of, um, uncertainty, anxiety, and just disillusionment with, you know, traditional narrators, um telling the stories of our lives. Those no longer seem to cohere and make sense. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And so I think when you are a young person who is confused, who is lost, who, um doesn’t have the support structures that you need, often the catches you is this — like an incel forum or groypers or something online that really does not have your best interests at heart. And really, if anything encourages whatever pathology you might be experiencing. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the mainstream, whether on your everyday X feed or the traditional news media, there has been so much debate over which side of the political spectrum Robinson fell on. But Aidan said he found this kind of speculation counterproductive. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The conversation is counterproductive to me for two reasons. The first is that it’s such a motivated conversation, particularly from the right-wing. Before anything at all was known, they were saying this was a left-wing radical. And there’s a very clear reason why they were saying that, because they have a political agenda and they have certain people on the left or liberals that they want to crack down on and this is the pretense to do that. But the second, less kind of specific reason that it feels counterproductive to me, is that we’re past a point in our political conversation where it’s about, “do you think that government programs should be smaller or larger?” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">We’re at a point where most people are growing up in this context of disaster and crisis. And the things motivating their politics are resentments and kind of triggers that aren’t really mappable to someone from like 1995. Um, like the Republican coalition is not these days about, you know, fiscal conservatives, evangelicals, religious folks. The Democrat coalition is not necessarily like, you now, the, the post-Civil Rights coalition that existed. 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But I don’t think there’s really an understanding that CNN is no longer a narrator of American life. And not just from a partisan kind of perspective that really right-wing people are really left-wing people don’t listen to CNN anymore. Totally normal people don’t listen to CNN anymore because it isn’t legible to them. It doesn’t make sense to them, it talks in a way that, you know, seems to not acknowledge them or seems to treat them in a way that isn’t that respectful or doesn’t keep up with the times. And I worry that the mainstream conversation, it isn’t mainstream, but it still thinks of itself as mainstream. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Morgan Sung:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, Aidan, thank you so much for joining us and for always explaining these corners of the internet. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Aidan Walker:\u003c/b> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you so much for having me, Morgan, and for inviting me on. 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"content": "\u003cp>When U.S. National Park Service staff found out this spring that they were being instructed to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049405/muir-woods-national-monument-exhibit-removal-trump-executive-order-national-parks-history-under-construction-sticky-notes\">scrub entire parks of any materials that “inappropriately disparage Americans past or living”\u003c/a> reactions among workers ranged from disbelief to anger.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Sometimes I’m raging. Sometimes I’m in denial,” said one park superintendent, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation and losing their job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It had already been a chaotic year for national parks under President Donald Trump’s second administration. First came the \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12030343/layoffs-have-hit-the-beloved-national-park-service-how-will-it-affect-your-visit\">attempt to fire thousands of employees\u003c/a> of the National Park Service and impose a hiring freeze — followed by \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-funding-cuts-to-national-parks-may-harm-the-communities-around-them\">threats to cut billions in funding\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12046147/incredibly-short-sighted-land-conservation-groups-rally-against-gop-proposal-to-sell-off-public-lands-like-tahoe\">sell off federal lands\u003c/a>, including some less popular \u003ca href=\"https://www.eenews.net/articles/trump-plan-could-offload-hundreds-of-national-park-sites-to-states/\">national parks\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, in March, Trump issued an executive order called “\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049405/muir-woods-national-monument-exhibit-removal-trump-executive-order-national-parks-history-under-construction-sticky-notes\">Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History\u003c/a>.” It ordered staff working at all National Park Service locations to remove any content that casts Americans in a negative light from parks, monuments and memorials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s thrown staff into further chaos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12029489\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12029489\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1335\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-1020x681.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-1920x1282.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A volunteer for the National Park Service welcomes visitors at the Exploration Center in Yosemite Valley, at Yosemite National Park on March 1, 2025. \u003ccite>(Laure Andrillon/AFP via Getty)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Things that would normally take us years to do, like exhibit development, we’re trying to figure out how to wholesale make changes that many of us are morally opposed to in weeks,” the anonymous superintendent said. “It’s kind of wild.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many parks staffers are wary of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053078/yosemite-biologist-fired-after-hanging-transgender-pride-flag-from-el-capitan\">speaking up\u003c/a> on the record. “There’s worry and fear that telling the truth can get them in trouble,” said Neal Desai, Pacific regional director for the National Parks Conservation Association.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Across the nation, from Yosemite National Park in California to the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., staff are now grappling with what the anonymous superintendent called a “Herculean” task: Inspect, document and potentially change or cover up thousands of signs ahead of a looming September deadline from the federal government.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, \u003cem>The Washington Post\u003c/em> reported that the Trump administration has already ordered \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/09/15/national-parks-slavery-information-removal/\">the removal of exhibits related to slavery at multiple parks\u003c/a>, including at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park in West Virginia and the President’s House Site in Philadelphia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staff and advocates at California’s iconic national parks say they’re especially worried about the potential threat to the state’s cultural memory — and that the very nature of historical truth is now at stake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#contact-author\">Want to contact this story’s author?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>Chaos and confusion\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/\">Trump’s order\u003c/a> addressed what it called a “distorted narrative” about American history — one the White House claimed was permeating the country’s national parks, monuments and other federal institutions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In demanding the signage review, Trump instructed parks staff to “focus on the greatness of the achievements and progress of the American people” and “the beauty, abundance, and grandeur of the American landscape.”[aside postID=news_12049405 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Muir-Woods-Exhibit-1.png']“Interpretive materials that disproportionately emphasize negative aspects of U.S. history or historical figures, without acknowledging broader context or national progress, can unintentionally distort understanding rather than enrich it,” the National Park Service told KQED in an emailed statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The dismay and disbelief among park staff were instantaneous. “This is the fascist playbook,” said one park ranger, who also wished to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation. “You silence the voices that are inconvenient to you, and you control history, you control the narratives.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. Department of the Interior Secretary Doug Burgum\u003ca href=\"https://www.doi.gov/document-library/secretary-order/so-3431-restoring-truth-and-sanity-american-history\"> doubled down on Trump’s order in May\u003c/a>, further instructing parks to report on any statues or monuments that had been \u003cem>removed \u003c/em>since 2020 at the height of the Black Lives Matter movement, including Confederate monuments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waysigns, interpretive signs, exhibits, brochures, films screened within park buildings, even merchandise sold in park kiosks and bookstores — according to the orders, all of it had to be entered into a federal database for the government’s review. \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5429773/national-park-service-signs\">Staff were also ordered to post new signs around parks land\u003c/a> urging the public to submit feedback online about parks and their signage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Frankly, it’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen in this country,” California Rep. Jared Huffman, who serves on the House Committee on Natural Resources, told KQED. In August, Huffman \u003ca href=\"https://democrats-naturalresources.house.gov/imo/media/doc/FINAL_Format_Opposition%20to%20Censorship%20at%20NPS.pdf\">co-authored a letter\u003c/a> in response to the White House’s orders, requesting the rationale for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12056560/north-bay-lawmaker-calls-out-trump-for-whitewashing-national-parks\">“ongoing efforts to rewrite history,”\u003c/a> and asking for more information about \u003cem>who \u003c/em>within the federal government would ultimately decide what can or can’t go in national parks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055103\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055103\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Inspiration Point overlook in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025, looks out over the Bay and Alcatraz. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>And in a state with as many parks resources and visitorship as California, the orders required a particularly enormous undertaking. The state has nine major national parks — the most of any state across the country — including Yosemite and Joshua Tree, each of which regularly receives 3 to 4 million visitors annually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s not to mention \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/findapark/index.htm?s=CA&ps=21\">the dozens of smaller national historic landmarks, smaller parks, monuments and historic trails\u003c/a> on a scale matched only by Washington, D.C., including Alcatraz, the Presidio and Fort Point just in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Unknown judges, unclear timeline\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Who exactly within the federal government would make the final decisions on thousands of signs — covering hundreds of years of history — remains unclear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Huffman said he has yet to receive any response to the Committee on Natural Resources’ queries. And the NPS did not respond to KQED’s query on who is evaluating submissions, saying only that they are done “manually.”[aside postID=news_12030343 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandGetty2-1020x681.jpg']As first \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/climate/national-parks-trump-americans-censorship.html\">reported by \u003cem>The New York Times\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, the federal government originally told parks they’d know which exhibits were slated for removal by Wednesday. The anonymous superintendent said staff were initially told that a panel of subject matter experts would issue a memo on what should ultimately be removed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in mid-August, they were told they’d instead only “receive an email that identified which submissions were in conflict, but not tell us what exactly was considered problematic or why,” the superintendent said. And when the emails came, they didn’t make clear exactly \u003cem>when \u003c/em>staff should pull down any material that had been, in the government’s words, “found to be out of conformance.” (The NPS did not respond to KQED’s questions about the timeline for removals.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, the confusing rollout has put the onus on parks staff to “determine what someone thought was in conflict” with the order, the superintendent said, and then decide themselves how to move forward in a way they think the federal government wants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Which is really frustrating,” they said. “Do we change a word in a sentence, or do we take down a whole exhibit? Or somewhere in between?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But one of the first high-profile examples of such removal has already happened here in California — offering insight into the kind of history that’s being targeted.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Change already comes for California\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>With its towering redwoods, Muir Woods National Monument is one of California’s most popular parks, with annual visitorship of \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/muwo/planyourvisit/reservations.htm#:~:text=In%20the%20last%20decade%20Muir,thereby%20improving%20the%20visitor%20experience.\">more than a million people.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2021, Muir Woods park rangers developed \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049405/muir-woods-national-monument-exhibit-removal-trump-executive-order-national-parks-history-under-construction-sticky-notes\">an exhibit called “History Under Construction,”\u003c/a> which took the form of sticky notes placed on a permanent sign. The sticky notes represented an effort to add context to the park’s history, highlighting the foundational roles of women and Indigenous people in its creation and the oftentimes racist and violent past of its more notable founders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055806\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055806\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Christine Lehnertz, president & CEO of the Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy, stands in Muir Woods National Monument on Sept. 12, 2025. The park is home to some of the last remaining stands of old-growth coast redwoods in the Bay Area. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Part of our duty in the National Park Service is to tell the full story” of Muir Woods’ stewardship, the exhibit read.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in mid-July, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049405/muir-woods-national-monument-exhibit-removal-trump-executive-order-national-parks-history-under-construction-sticky-notes\">Muir Woods staff removed the sticky note exhibit altogether\u003c/a>, with a spokesperson for the Golden Gate National Recreation Area confirming its removal was prompted by Trump’s executive order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The swiftness of the Muir Woods removal was jarring to some observers. “We were surprised that changes happened at Muir Woods so quickly,” said Chris Lehnertz, president and CEO of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.parksconservancy.org/\">Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy\u003c/a>, the nonprofit partner of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/goga/index.htm\">Golden Gate National Recreation Area\u003c/a>, which manages Muir Woods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Muir Woods removal was ordered by a higher-up outside of the park, according to Lehnertz and an anonymous source with knowledge of the exhibit’s development. The National Park Service did not reply to KQED’s request for confirmation of the directive’s source.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The federal government has yet to make widespread directives to parks staff to enact removals. Yet preemptive changes within other national parks have already been witnessed — with apparent anxiety over landing in the White House’s crosshairs even pre-dating the “Restoring Truth and Sanity” executive order.[aside postID=news_12049014 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/S_ElYose1_ENLARGED.jpg']As \u003ca href=\"https://www.resistancerangers.org/rangers-uncensored\">documented by the Resistance Rangers advocacy group\u003c/a>, the website for New York’s \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/diff/20250526052358/20250604180857/https:/www.nps.gov/ston/learn/historyculture.htm\">Stonewall National Monument\u003c/a> was altered in February to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/g-s1-48923/stonewall-monument-transgender-park-service\">remove references to transgender people\u003c/a>. Language on other national park websites was removed in February and then restored, including information about \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/us/politics/national-park-service-harriet-tubman-underground-railroad-dei.html\">abolitionist leader Harriet Tubman\u003c/a> on an NPS webpage about the Underground Railroad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the Bay Area, \u003ca href=\"https://richmondside.org/2025/02/04/rosie-riveter-museum-temporarily-removes-lgbtq-exhibit/\">as reported by \u003cem>Richmondside,\u003c/em>\u003c/a> a handful of staff members at \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/rori/index.htm\">Rosie the Riveter World War II Homefront National Historic Park\u003c/a> briefly removed an exhibit focused on the LGBTQ+ history of the region right after Trump’s inauguration in January, before putting it back up a few days later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s an anxious time to be a superintendent,” Lehnertz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Donna Graves, an independent historian who helped develop the Rosie the Riveter Park back in 2000, said Rosie is the kind of national park site where “inclusive storytelling permeates every aspect of the exhibits in the visitor center, the handouts, the films that are shown.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Parks staff found themselves in a quandary, said Graves, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053628/richmond-rally-national-parks-trump-white-house-rosie-the-riveter-world-war-ii-homefront\">who organized a rally against the order in August\u003c/a>. Should employees submit every piece of content in the park for federal review, “seeing it as sort of flooding the zone”?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Others took the stance of, ‘Well, we’re not ‘\u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/\">\u003cem>inappropriately’\u003c/em>\u003c/a> disparaging anybody. We think what we’re doing is appropriate,’” Graves said. “So they did not report any content.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Hard history’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The idea of taking a second look at history isn’t actually new for the National Park Service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lehnertz said when Jonathan Jarvis was parks director from 2009 to 2017, he made a sweeping effort to broaden the narratives on display, shifting from a previous focus on military and political history to including individuals’ stories, expanding the timeline to before the country’s founding and “opening up the story” of American history, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055735\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1999px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055735\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1999\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed.jpg 1999w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1999px) 100vw, 1999px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jonathan Jarvis sits outside of his home in Pinole on Sept. 11, 2025. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Jarvis, she said, “helped us understand that the preamble to the Constitution — ‘We, the people’ — means ‘We, \u003cem>all \u003c/em>the people; we, \u003cem>all \u003c/em>the stories.’ And that means hard history sometimes,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By contrast, the Trump administration’s approach to revisiting history “isn’t an honest exercise,” argued National Parks Conservation Association’s Desai.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s premeditated — there’s a goal in mind at the end,” Desai said. “They’re not really looking at all these things in a critical way or in a scholarly way. It’s about: ‘We want to erase certain parts of history, and clamp down on the Park Service from providing Americans with a full picture.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jarvis — who lives in Contra Costa County after retiring from NPS — agreed. Had he still been at the helm of national parks, Jarvis said, he’d have “gone upstairs and told them this was a really stupid idea.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Just the task of it in of itself is completely daunting,” he said. “To think that there’s going to be somebody back there with either the intelligence — or the capacity — to somehow give a ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ to a sign that is in some visitor center in \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/dino/index.htm\">Dinosaur National Monument\u003c/a> that talks about evolution.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s absurd,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Going backwards’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The federal government’s orders are forcing national parks around the country to review hundreds of years of history — events that often sharply illustrate the human cost of that state’s development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In states including \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pennsylvania\u003c/span>, Florida, Tennessee and Louisiana, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/climate/trump-national-park-service-history-changes.html?unlocked_article_code=1.YU8.pD7e.gGRCQPevwA7m&smid=url-share\">staff have been asked to flag mentions of slavery\u003c/a> for possible removal.[aside postID=news_12054083 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-1020x681.jpg']In California, where the arrival of white settlers in the 1840s and the subsequent Gold Rush sparked \u003ca href=\"https://www.history.com/articles/native-american-genocide-california-apology\">a decades-long genocide of Native Americans\u003c/a> that killed tens of thousands of people, parks staffers must decide how to deal with this state’s painful history around its Indigenous communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Sharaya Souza, co-founder of the \u003ca href=\"https://americanindianculturaldistrict.org/\">American Indian Cultural District in San Francisco\u003c/a> who previously served on the \u003ca href=\"https://nahc.ca.gov/\">California Native American Heritage Commission\u003c/a>, first heard about the changes National Park Service staff had made to their own Muir Woods “History Under Construction” exhibit, she said she was “sad but not surprised.” (Souza spoke to KQED on her own behalf and not for the organizations she works with.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Souza, who is Taos Pueblo, Ute and Kiowa — in addition to being of both Spanish and Brazilian heritage — also pointed out just how small the additions acknowledging Indigenous history on the NPS sign had been. “That’s all [Native people] got: Post-it notes.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Souza has worked to elevate Indigenous history across the Bay Area — including a \u003ca href=\"https://americanindianculturaldistrict.org/indigenizesf\">current partnership with the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art\u003c/a>, which, via an effort known as placekeeping, aims to identify and reimagine statues, monuments and street names in the city that honor people who contributed to the genocide of Native Americans. This kind of work is “letting people know the full history of what happened here,” Souza said. “And yes, some of it was a hard history.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11826151/how-do-we-heal-toppling-the-myth-of-junipero-serra\">The state’s history of violence toward its Native communities\u003c/a> has \u003ca href=\"https://www.hcn.org/issues/51-7/tribal-affairs-indigenous-educators-fight-for-an-accurate-history-of-california-missions/\">long gone ignored in California\u003c/a>, but in recent years, many national parks across California have \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/places/000/yosemite-museum.htm\">begun to acknowledge\u003c/a> that brutal history in their programming or signage — even though Souza said there’s still a long way to go.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And tribes’ relationships with the parks haven’t always been smooth either, advocate Morning Star Gali said. A member of the Ajumawi band of the Pit River Tribe and the founder of \u003ca href=\"https://www.indigenousjustice.org/\">Indigenous Justice\u003c/a>, Gali is also the California Tribal and Community Liaison for the International Indian Treaty Council, coordinating the \u003ca href=\"https://www.iitc.org/2024-indigenous-peoples-day-alcatraz-sunrise-gathering/\">annual Sunrise Gathering for Alcatraz Island\u003c/a>. She has been driving work to \u003ca href=\"https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB2022/id/2571917\">remove racist place names\u003c/a> and add signage, particularly to NPS sites like Alcatraz, that acknowledge its Indigenous history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gali said that while staff and leadership at some parks have \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=30927\">supported their efforts\u003c/a>, many are limited in the changes they can make — and others have dragged their feet in allowing tribes to access and use their sacred land or have scrutinized their practices and religious expression.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055805\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055805\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED-1536x1025.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Morning Star Gali stands in front of Wahpepah’s Kitchen at Fruitvale Station in Oakland on Sept. 12, 2025. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Where do we go when we’re shut out of our sacred places?” she said. “Where do we go when we’re no longer allowed into both state and federal sites?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Souza agreed: “We’ve kind of become \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Indian_in_the_Cupboard\">the Indian in the Cupboard\u003c/a>,” she said. “You take them out when you want to play with them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“But you put them back in the cupboard when it comes to actually elevating that truth-telling, and it’s out of some sort of fear that it’s going to increase ‘a sense of national shame,’” she said, \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/\">referencing the language used in Trump’s executive order\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m a little afraid of the direction that we are going,” Souza said. “That we’re going backwards from all the progress that we’ve made over the years.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘A white nationalist effort’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Another aspect of California history that many worry could be erased: the imprisonment of Japanese Americans during World War II.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These events are commemorated at the National Park Service’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/manz/index.htm\">Manzanar National Historic Site\u003c/a> in the Eastern Sierra, where around 11,000 people were incarcerated. Around the country, well over \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/japanese-american-incarceration-during-ww2/asian-americans-video/\">100,000 people were imprisoned\u003c/a> this way.[aside postID=news_12047124 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/07/Sonora-Pass-3-1-2000x1276.jpg']Survivors of Japanese American incarceration have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12021919/bay-area-japanese-americans-draw-on-wwii-trauma-resist-deportation-threats\">among the most vocal\u003c/a> against the Trump administration’s detainment and deportation of immigrants, after the president used the same law deployed against them in the 1940s — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/04/18/nx-s1-5369579/supreme-court-block-deportations-venezuelans\">to attempt to deport Venezuelans being held at a Texas detention center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, advocates are worried the history they’ve fought so hard to tell \u003ca href=\"https://www.mammothtimes.com/news/never-again-is-now-day-of-action-held-in-defense-of-national-parks-history/article_3de956aa-c1ca-4e9d-b0ea-2ebc99f6031d.html\">will be at risk once again\u003c/a>. The story told at Manzanar is “a cautionary tale,” said Bruce Embrey, who co-chairs the Manzanar Committee that his mother, who was incarcerated at Manzanar, co-founded in 1970.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Embrey, the signage review at parks like Manzanar is “a white nationalist effort to erase our history,” he said — and he believes that “if they cannot rewrite the narrative of the Smithsonian or Manzanar or the various sites around this country, they will close them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lehnertz said it’s stories like those on display at Manzanar that are most needed in parks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10614867\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614867\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks.jpg\" alt=\"A reconstructed barrack at the Manzanar National Historic Site, west of Death Valley.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1158\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-400x241.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-800x483.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-1440x869.jpg 1440w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-1400x844.jpg 1400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-1180x712.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-960x579.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A reconstructed barrack at the Manzanar National Historic Site, west of Death Valley. \u003ccite>(Susan Valot)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The United States does not put its history into secret boxes,” she said. “It shares its history openly, and that’s what makes America great, is our willingness to sometimes disagree.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And our willingness to commit resources to a rigorous understanding of history, even when it disagrees with our family’s experience of history,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>An uncertain future\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Regardless of the federal government’s final decisions, many staffers are worried about the degrading effect that any hasty revision of information will have on the parks — and on visitors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Normally, the anonymous superintendent said, they would work with historians, biologists and other subject matter experts to help develop park signage.[aside postID=news_12053628 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250825_ROSIE-THE-RIVETER-PROTEST-_-0006_GH-KQED.jpg']Signs also have to be accessible — often featuring braille or sitting at wheelchair height — and parks staff will often consult with tribal communities or descendants of the historical figure they’re writing about. Parks advocates have even argued the changes demanded by the executive order violate their \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/cultural-and-natural-resource-consultation.htm\">legal obligation to consult with tribes\u003c/a> before making significant changes to parks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re talking millions of dollars here in terms of process and years of work to do a full exhibit, and the signage, and all the interpretive materials that go with,” former NPS leader Jarvis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the absence of those funds, covered-up signs will likely become a familiar sight to visitors, said Jesse Chakrin, the executive director of \u003ca href=\"https://www.peopleinparks.org/index.html\">Fund for People in Parks\u003c/a>. Chakrin’s group works with small or lesser-known parks in the West on elements like signage that aren’t typically funded by federal dollars — “a long and slow process,” which can cost up to $5,000 for a single sign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an era of reduced staffing, Chakrin said, these signs “may be the only way that a visitor actually better understands the park location that they’re in.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Chakrin’s biggest concern is that even if no more sign removal orders ever materialize, the order is so broad — and the penalties so nebulous — that parks staff will simply self-censor out of fear of retribution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055812\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055812\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The entrance to Muir Woods National Monument on Sept. 12, 2025. Part of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, the monument protects one of the last old-growth coast redwood forests in the Bay Area. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“People will stop telling full and complete stories,” he said. “People will start to think about the ways that they can be careful so as to not offend.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This puts parks staff in a moral quandary, Jarvis said, with many feeling the order runs counter to the park service’s mission “to tell these stories authentically and based on the best scholarship in science.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s essentially a violation of that responsibility,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Visitors speak up\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Amid all this turmoil, staff and advocates say that visitors have yet to see the biggest effects of the orders. Nonprofit partners like “friends” groups have been backfilling a lot of public-facing roles, as have seasonal staff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Visitors aren’t really seeing the full impact because of this veneer, this facade, of keeping parks ‘open and accessible’,” the superintendent said — referring to \u003ca href=\"https://www.doi.gov/document-library/secretary-order/so-3426-ensuring-national-parks-are-open-and-accessible\">another secretarial order\u003c/a> that mandates parks keep functioning even amid \u003ca href=\"https://federalnewsnetwork.com/hiring-retention/2025/02/what-the-hiring-freeze-means-for-the-national-park-service-as-it-was-just-about-to-start-finding-seasonal-employees/\">severe staffing shortages\u003c/a>.[aside postID=news_12053078 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/YosemiteTransFlagGetty.jpg']“Meanwhile, everything on the back end is falling apart.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One thing that might give parks staff solace: Across California, the federally mandated signs urging the public to join the review of parks signage have so far not borne much fruit for the Trump administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>According to a copy of the public submissions received by California parks and provided to KQED by the National Parks Conservation Association, out of around 300 entries across the state’s national parks sites from June and July of this year, just four were elevated for review — all of which critiqued the Muir Woods “History Under Construction” exhibit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A handful of others alerted parks staff to infrastructure issues with bathrooms or fading signs that need replacing. But nearly all of the rest of the submissions were either in praise of rangers and parks staff or offering complimentary views of existing signage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And hundreds of public comments were submitted specifically in protest of the signage order — commending displays at parks that highlighted Indigenous history and climate change. Manzanar, especially, wrote one visitor, “is an example that the beauty and grandeur of our constitution can never be taken for granted,” making reference to \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/\">the language of Trump’s executive order\u003c/a>. Another comment about Yosemite urged parks staff to “continue to educate people about the Native Americans who were displaced in this area.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12053665\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12053665\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250825_ROSIE-THE-RIVETER-PROTEST-_-0002_GH-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250825_ROSIE-THE-RIVETER-PROTEST-_-0002_GH-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250825_ROSIE-THE-RIVETER-PROTEST-_-0002_GH-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/08/250825_ROSIE-THE-RIVETER-PROTEST-_-0002_GH-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supporters line the walkway with signs spelling “Protect Our Park” during the National Parks Conservation Association’s Day of Action at Rosie the Riveter/WWII Home Front National Historical Park in Richmond, California, on Aug. 25, 2025. \u003ccite>(Gustavo Hernandez/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Parks advocates said the results of the public submissions give them hope that, amid everything, park visitors see the value in telling the whole story of American history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“History aims to improve the nation by learning the lessons of the past,” Lehnertz said. “And the openness of any individual American to learning that, in my experience, has been 99% to 1%.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Or as Graves put it: “They’ve said over and over — ‘We want to know the whole truth. Don’t dumb down our history.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>\u003ca id=\"contact-author\">\u003c/a>\u003cem>Reporter Sarah Wright can be securely reached on Signal: @sarahfbw.153\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, in March, Trump issued an executive order called “\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049405/muir-woods-national-monument-exhibit-removal-trump-executive-order-national-parks-history-under-construction-sticky-notes\">Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History\u003c/a>.” It ordered staff working at all National Park Service locations to remove any content that casts Americans in a negative light from parks, monuments and memorials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s thrown staff into further chaos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12029489\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12029489\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1335\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-1020x681.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-1536x1025.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/03/CaliforniaPublicLandsGetty1-1920x1282.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A volunteer for the National Park Service welcomes visitors at the Exploration Center in Yosemite Valley, at Yosemite National Park on March 1, 2025. \u003ccite>(Laure Andrillon/AFP via Getty)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Things that would normally take us years to do, like exhibit development, we’re trying to figure out how to wholesale make changes that many of us are morally opposed to in weeks,” the anonymous superintendent said. “It’s kind of wild.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many parks staffers are wary of \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053078/yosemite-biologist-fired-after-hanging-transgender-pride-flag-from-el-capitan\">speaking up\u003c/a> on the record. “There’s worry and fear that telling the truth can get them in trouble,” said Neal Desai, Pacific regional director for the National Parks Conservation Association.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Across the nation, from Yosemite National Park in California to the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., staff are now grappling with what the anonymous superintendent called a “Herculean” task: Inspect, document and potentially change or cover up thousands of signs ahead of a looming September deadline from the federal government.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Monday, \u003cem>The Washington Post\u003c/em> reported that the Trump administration has already ordered \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/09/15/national-parks-slavery-information-removal/\">the removal of exhibits related to slavery at multiple parks\u003c/a>, including at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park in West Virginia and the President’s House Site in Philadelphia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Staff and advocates at California’s iconic national parks say they’re especially worried about the potential threat to the state’s cultural memory — and that the very nature of historical truth is now at stake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>\u003ca href=\"#contact-author\">Want to contact this story’s author?\u003c/a>\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2>Chaos and confusion\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/\">Trump’s order\u003c/a> addressed what it called a “distorted narrative” about American history — one the White House claimed was permeating the country’s national parks, monuments and other federal institutions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In demanding the signage review, Trump instructed parks staff to “focus on the greatness of the achievements and progress of the American people” and “the beauty, abundance, and grandeur of the American landscape.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>“Interpretive materials that disproportionately emphasize negative aspects of U.S. history or historical figures, without acknowledging broader context or national progress, can unintentionally distort understanding rather than enrich it,” the National Park Service told KQED in an emailed statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The dismay and disbelief among park staff were instantaneous. “This is the fascist playbook,” said one park ranger, who also wished to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation. “You silence the voices that are inconvenient to you, and you control history, you control the narratives.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>U.S. Department of the Interior Secretary Doug Burgum\u003ca href=\"https://www.doi.gov/document-library/secretary-order/so-3431-restoring-truth-and-sanity-american-history\"> doubled down on Trump’s order in May\u003c/a>, further instructing parks to report on any statues or monuments that had been \u003cem>removed \u003c/em>since 2020 at the height of the Black Lives Matter movement, including Confederate monuments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waysigns, interpretive signs, exhibits, brochures, films screened within park buildings, even merchandise sold in park kiosks and bookstores — according to the orders, all of it had to be entered into a federal database for the government’s review. \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5429773/national-park-service-signs\">Staff were also ordered to post new signs around parks land\u003c/a> urging the public to submit feedback online about parks and their signage.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Frankly, it’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen in this country,” California Rep. Jared Huffman, who serves on the House Committee on Natural Resources, told KQED. In August, Huffman \u003ca href=\"https://democrats-naturalresources.house.gov/imo/media/doc/FINAL_Format_Opposition%20to%20Censorship%20at%20NPS.pdf\">co-authored a letter\u003c/a> in response to the White House’s orders, requesting the rationale for \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12056560/north-bay-lawmaker-calls-out-trump-for-whitewashing-national-parks\">“ongoing efforts to rewrite history,”\u003c/a> and asking for more information about \u003cem>who \u003c/em>within the federal government would ultimately decide what can or can’t go in national parks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055103\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055103\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250904-PRESIDIOHIKES-04-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Inspiration Point overlook in the Presidio of San Francisco on Sept. 4, 2025, looks out over the Bay and Alcatraz. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>And in a state with as many parks resources and visitorship as California, the orders required a particularly enormous undertaking. The state has nine major national parks — the most of any state across the country — including Yosemite and Joshua Tree, each of which regularly receives 3 to 4 million visitors annually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s not to mention \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/findapark/index.htm?s=CA&ps=21\">the dozens of smaller national historic landmarks, smaller parks, monuments and historic trails\u003c/a> on a scale matched only by Washington, D.C., including Alcatraz, the Presidio and Fort Point just in the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Unknown judges, unclear timeline\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Who exactly within the federal government would make the final decisions on thousands of signs — covering hundreds of years of history — remains unclear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Huffman said he has yet to receive any response to the Committee on Natural Resources’ queries. And the NPS did not respond to KQED’s query on who is evaluating submissions, saying only that they are done “manually.”\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>As first \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/climate/national-parks-trump-americans-censorship.html\">reported by \u003cem>The New York Times\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, the federal government originally told parks they’d know which exhibits were slated for removal by Wednesday. The anonymous superintendent said staff were initially told that a panel of subject matter experts would issue a memo on what should ultimately be removed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in mid-August, they were told they’d instead only “receive an email that identified which submissions were in conflict, but not tell us what exactly was considered problematic or why,” the superintendent said. And when the emails came, they didn’t make clear exactly \u003cem>when \u003c/em>staff should pull down any material that had been, in the government’s words, “found to be out of conformance.” (The NPS did not respond to KQED’s questions about the timeline for removals.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ultimately, the confusing rollout has put the onus on parks staff to “determine what someone thought was in conflict” with the order, the superintendent said, and then decide themselves how to move forward in a way they think the federal government wants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Which is really frustrating,” they said. “Do we change a word in a sentence, or do we take down a whole exhibit? Or somewhere in between?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But one of the first high-profile examples of such removal has already happened here in California — offering insight into the kind of history that’s being targeted.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Change already comes for California\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>With its towering redwoods, Muir Woods National Monument is one of California’s most popular parks, with annual visitorship of \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/muwo/planyourvisit/reservations.htm#:~:text=In%20the%20last%20decade%20Muir,thereby%20improving%20the%20visitor%20experience.\">more than a million people.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2021, Muir Woods park rangers developed \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049405/muir-woods-national-monument-exhibit-removal-trump-executive-order-national-parks-history-under-construction-sticky-notes\">an exhibit called “History Under Construction,”\u003c/a> which took the form of sticky notes placed on a permanent sign. The sticky notes represented an effort to add context to the park’s history, highlighting the foundational roles of women and Indigenous people in its creation and the oftentimes racist and violent past of its more notable founders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055806\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055806\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-04-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Christine Lehnertz, president & CEO of the Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy, stands in Muir Woods National Monument on Sept. 12, 2025. The park is home to some of the last remaining stands of old-growth coast redwoods in the Bay Area. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Part of our duty in the National Park Service is to tell the full story” of Muir Woods’ stewardship, the exhibit read.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in mid-July, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12049405/muir-woods-national-monument-exhibit-removal-trump-executive-order-national-parks-history-under-construction-sticky-notes\">Muir Woods staff removed the sticky note exhibit altogether\u003c/a>, with a spokesperson for the Golden Gate National Recreation Area confirming its removal was prompted by Trump’s executive order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The swiftness of the Muir Woods removal was jarring to some observers. “We were surprised that changes happened at Muir Woods so quickly,” said Chris Lehnertz, president and CEO of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.parksconservancy.org/\">Golden Gate National Parks Conservancy\u003c/a>, the nonprofit partner of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/goga/index.htm\">Golden Gate National Recreation Area\u003c/a>, which manages Muir Woods.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Muir Woods removal was ordered by a higher-up outside of the park, according to Lehnertz and an anonymous source with knowledge of the exhibit’s development. The National Park Service did not reply to KQED’s request for confirmation of the directive’s source.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The federal government has yet to make widespread directives to parks staff to enact removals. Yet preemptive changes within other national parks have already been witnessed — with apparent anxiety over landing in the White House’s crosshairs even pre-dating the “Restoring Truth and Sanity” executive order.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>As \u003ca href=\"https://www.resistancerangers.org/rangers-uncensored\">documented by the Resistance Rangers advocacy group\u003c/a>, the website for New York’s \u003ca href=\"https://web.archive.org/web/diff/20250526052358/20250604180857/https:/www.nps.gov/ston/learn/historyculture.htm\">Stonewall National Monument\u003c/a> was altered in February to \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/g-s1-48923/stonewall-monument-transgender-park-service\">remove references to transgender people\u003c/a>. Language on other national park websites was removed in February and then restored, including information about \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/us/politics/national-park-service-harriet-tubman-underground-railroad-dei.html\">abolitionist leader Harriet Tubman\u003c/a> on an NPS webpage about the Underground Railroad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the Bay Area, \u003ca href=\"https://richmondside.org/2025/02/04/rosie-riveter-museum-temporarily-removes-lgbtq-exhibit/\">as reported by \u003cem>Richmondside,\u003c/em>\u003c/a> a handful of staff members at \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/rori/index.htm\">Rosie the Riveter World War II Homefront National Historic Park\u003c/a> briefly removed an exhibit focused on the LGBTQ+ history of the region right after Trump’s inauguration in January, before putting it back up a few days later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s an anxious time to be a superintendent,” Lehnertz said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Donna Graves, an independent historian who helped develop the Rosie the Riveter Park back in 2000, said Rosie is the kind of national park site where “inclusive storytelling permeates every aspect of the exhibits in the visitor center, the handouts, the films that are shown.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Parks staff found themselves in a quandary, said Graves, \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12053628/richmond-rally-national-parks-trump-white-house-rosie-the-riveter-world-war-ii-homefront\">who organized a rally against the order in August\u003c/a>. Should employees submit every piece of content in the park for federal review, “seeing it as sort of flooding the zone”?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Others took the stance of, ‘Well, we’re not ‘\u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/\">\u003cem>inappropriately’\u003c/em>\u003c/a> disparaging anybody. We think what we’re doing is appropriate,’” Graves said. “So they did not report any content.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Hard history’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The idea of taking a second look at history isn’t actually new for the National Park Service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lehnertz said when Jonathan Jarvis was parks director from 2009 to 2017, he made a sweeping effort to broaden the narratives on display, shifting from a previous focus on military and political history to including individuals’ stories, expanding the timeline to before the country’s founding and “opening up the story” of American history, she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055735\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1999px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055735\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1999\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed.jpg 1999w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250911-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNAGE-MD-07_qed-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1999px) 100vw, 1999px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jonathan Jarvis sits outside of his home in Pinole on Sept. 11, 2025. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Jarvis, she said, “helped us understand that the preamble to the Constitution — ‘We, the people’ — means ‘We, \u003cem>all \u003c/em>the people; we, \u003cem>all \u003c/em>the stories.’ And that means hard history sometimes,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By contrast, the Trump administration’s approach to revisiting history “isn’t an honest exercise,” argued National Parks Conservation Association’s Desai.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s premeditated — there’s a goal in mind at the end,” Desai said. “They’re not really looking at all these things in a critical way or in a scholarly way. It’s about: ‘We want to erase certain parts of history, and clamp down on the Park Service from providing Americans with a full picture.’”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jarvis — who lives in Contra Costa County after retiring from NPS — agreed. Had he still been at the helm of national parks, Jarvis said, he’d have “gone upstairs and told them this was a really stupid idea.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Just the task of it in of itself is completely daunting,” he said. “To think that there’s going to be somebody back there with either the intelligence — or the capacity — to somehow give a ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ to a sign that is in some visitor center in \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/dino/index.htm\">Dinosaur National Monument\u003c/a> that talks about evolution.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s absurd,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘Going backwards’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The federal government’s orders are forcing national parks around the country to review hundreds of years of history — events that often sharply illustrate the human cost of that state’s development.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In states including \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pennsylvania\u003c/span>, Florida, Tennessee and Louisiana, \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/climate/trump-national-park-service-history-changes.html?unlocked_article_code=1.YU8.pD7e.gGRCQPevwA7m&smid=url-share\">staff have been asked to flag mentions of slavery\u003c/a> for possible removal.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>In California, where the arrival of white settlers in the 1840s and the subsequent Gold Rush sparked \u003ca href=\"https://www.history.com/articles/native-american-genocide-california-apology\">a decades-long genocide of Native Americans\u003c/a> that killed tens of thousands of people, parks staffers must decide how to deal with this state’s painful history around its Indigenous communities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When Sharaya Souza, co-founder of the \u003ca href=\"https://americanindianculturaldistrict.org/\">American Indian Cultural District in San Francisco\u003c/a> who previously served on the \u003ca href=\"https://nahc.ca.gov/\">California Native American Heritage Commission\u003c/a>, first heard about the changes National Park Service staff had made to their own Muir Woods “History Under Construction” exhibit, she said she was “sad but not surprised.” (Souza spoke to KQED on her own behalf and not for the organizations she works with.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Souza, who is Taos Pueblo, Ute and Kiowa — in addition to being of both Spanish and Brazilian heritage — also pointed out just how small the additions acknowledging Indigenous history on the NPS sign had been. “That’s all [Native people] got: Post-it notes.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Souza has worked to elevate Indigenous history across the Bay Area — including a \u003ca href=\"https://americanindianculturaldistrict.org/indigenizesf\">current partnership with the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art\u003c/a>, which, via an effort known as placekeeping, aims to identify and reimagine statues, monuments and street names in the city that honor people who contributed to the genocide of Native Americans. This kind of work is “letting people know the full history of what happened here,” Souza said. “And yes, some of it was a hard history.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11826151/how-do-we-heal-toppling-the-myth-of-junipero-serra\">The state’s history of violence toward its Native communities\u003c/a> has \u003ca href=\"https://www.hcn.org/issues/51-7/tribal-affairs-indigenous-educators-fight-for-an-accurate-history-of-california-missions/\">long gone ignored in California\u003c/a>, but in recent years, many national parks across California have \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/places/000/yosemite-museum.htm\">begun to acknowledge\u003c/a> that brutal history in their programming or signage — even though Souza said there’s still a long way to go.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And tribes’ relationships with the parks haven’t always been smooth either, advocate Morning Star Gali said. A member of the Ajumawi band of the Pit River Tribe and the founder of \u003ca href=\"https://www.indigenousjustice.org/\">Indigenous Justice\u003c/a>, Gali is also the California Tribal and Community Liaison for the International Indian Treaty Council, coordinating the \u003ca href=\"https://www.iitc.org/2024-indigenous-peoples-day-alcatraz-sunrise-gathering/\">annual Sunrise Gathering for Alcatraz Island\u003c/a>. She has been driving work to \u003ca href=\"https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB2022/id/2571917\">remove racist place names\u003c/a> and add signage, particularly to NPS sites like Alcatraz, that acknowledge its Indigenous history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Gali said that while staff and leadership at some parks have \u003ca href=\"https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=30927\">supported their efforts\u003c/a>, many are limited in the changes they can make — and others have dragged their feet in allowing tribes to access and use their sacred land or have scrutinized their practices and religious expression.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055805\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055805\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1334\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMP-PARK-SIGNS-MD-04-KQED-1536x1025.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Morning Star Gali stands in front of Wahpepah’s Kitchen at Fruitvale Station in Oakland on Sept. 12, 2025. \u003ccite>(Martin do Nascimento/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Where do we go when we’re shut out of our sacred places?” she said. “Where do we go when we’re no longer allowed into both state and federal sites?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Souza agreed: “We’ve kind of become \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Indian_in_the_Cupboard\">the Indian in the Cupboard\u003c/a>,” she said. “You take them out when you want to play with them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“But you put them back in the cupboard when it comes to actually elevating that truth-telling, and it’s out of some sort of fear that it’s going to increase ‘a sense of national shame,’” she said, \u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/restoring-truth-and-sanity-to-american-history/\">referencing the language used in Trump’s executive order\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’m a little afraid of the direction that we are going,” Souza said. “That we’re going backwards from all the progress that we’ve made over the years.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>‘A white nationalist effort’\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Another aspect of California history that many worry could be erased: the imprisonment of Japanese Americans during World War II.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These events are commemorated at the National Park Service’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/manz/index.htm\">Manzanar National Historic Site\u003c/a> in the Eastern Sierra, where around 11,000 people were incarcerated. Around the country, well over \u003ca href=\"https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/japanese-american-incarceration-during-ww2/asian-americans-video/\">100,000 people were imprisoned\u003c/a> this way.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Survivors of Japanese American incarceration have been \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/12021919/bay-area-japanese-americans-draw-on-wwii-trauma-resist-deportation-threats\">among the most vocal\u003c/a> against the Trump administration’s detainment and deportation of immigrants, after the president used the same law deployed against them in the 1940s — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2025/04/18/nx-s1-5369579/supreme-court-block-deportations-venezuelans\">to attempt to deport Venezuelans being held at a Texas detention center\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, advocates are worried the history they’ve fought so hard to tell \u003ca href=\"https://www.mammothtimes.com/news/never-again-is-now-day-of-action-held-in-defense-of-national-parks-history/article_3de956aa-c1ca-4e9d-b0ea-2ebc99f6031d.html\">will be at risk once again\u003c/a>. The story told at Manzanar is “a cautionary tale,” said Bruce Embrey, who co-chairs the Manzanar Committee that his mother, who was incarcerated at Manzanar, co-founded in 1970.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For Embrey, the signage review at parks like Manzanar is “a white nationalist effort to erase our history,” he said — and he believes that “if they cannot rewrite the narrative of the Smithsonian or Manzanar or the various sites around this country, they will close them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lehnertz said it’s stories like those on display at Manzanar that are most needed in parks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_10614867\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 1920px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614867\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks.jpg\" alt=\"A reconstructed barrack at the Manzanar National Historic Site, west of Death Valley.\" width=\"1920\" height=\"1158\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-400x241.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-800x483.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-1440x869.jpg 1440w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-1400x844.jpg 1400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-1180x712.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2015/07/Barracks-960x579.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A reconstructed barrack at the Manzanar National Historic Site, west of Death Valley. \u003ccite>(Susan Valot)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“The United States does not put its history into secret boxes,” she said. “It shares its history openly, and that’s what makes America great, is our willingness to sometimes disagree.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“And our willingness to commit resources to a rigorous understanding of history, even when it disagrees with our family’s experience of history,” she said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>An uncertain future\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Regardless of the federal government’s final decisions, many staffers are worried about the degrading effect that any hasty revision of information will have on the parks — and on visitors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Normally, the anonymous superintendent said, they would work with historians, biologists and other subject matter experts to help develop park signage.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>Signs also have to be accessible — often featuring braille or sitting at wheelchair height — and parks staff will often consult with tribal communities or descendants of the historical figure they’re writing about. Parks advocates have even argued the changes demanded by the executive order violate their \u003ca href=\"https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/cultural-and-natural-resource-consultation.htm\">legal obligation to consult with tribes\u003c/a> before making significant changes to parks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We’re talking millions of dollars here in terms of process and years of work to do a full exhibit, and the signage, and all the interpretive materials that go with,” former NPS leader Jarvis said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the absence of those funds, covered-up signs will likely become a familiar sight to visitors, said Jesse Chakrin, the executive director of \u003ca href=\"https://www.peopleinparks.org/index.html\">Fund for People in Parks\u003c/a>. Chakrin’s group works with small or lesser-known parks in the West on elements like signage that aren’t typically funded by federal dollars — “a long and slow process,” which can cost up to $5,000 for a single sign.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In an era of reduced staffing, Chakrin said, these signs “may be the only way that a visitor actually better understands the park location that they’re in.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Chakrin’s biggest concern is that even if no more sign removal orders ever materialize, the order is so broad — and the penalties so nebulous — that parks staff will simply self-censor out of fear of retribution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_12055812\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12055812\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2025/09/250912-TRUMPSSIGNAGEORDER-42-BL-KQED-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The entrance to Muir Woods National Monument on Sept. 12, 2025. Part of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, the monument protects one of the last old-growth coast redwood forests in the Bay Area. \u003ccite>(Beth LaBerge/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“People will stop telling full and complete stories,” he said. “People will start to think about the ways that they can be careful so as to not offend.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This puts parks staff in a moral quandary, Jarvis said, with many feeling the order runs counter to the park service’s mission “to tell these stories authentically and based on the best scholarship in science.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s essentially a violation of that responsibility,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Visitors speak up\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Amid all this turmoil, staff and advocates say that visitors have yet to see the biggest effects of the orders. Nonprofit partners like “friends” groups have been backfilling a lot of public-facing roles, as have seasonal staff.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Visitors aren’t really seeing the full impact because of this veneer, this facade, of keeping parks ‘open and accessible’,” the superintendent said — referring to \u003ca href=\"https://www.doi.gov/document-library/secretary-order/so-3426-ensuring-national-parks-are-open-and-accessible\">another secretarial order\u003c/a> that mandates parks keep functioning even amid \u003ca href=\"https://federalnewsnetwork.com/hiring-retention/2025/02/what-the-hiring-freeze-means-for-the-national-park-service-as-it-was-just-about-to-start-finding-seasonal-employees/\">severe staffing shortages\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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The crowd of over 100 rallied to protest antisemitism and blockage of Sather Gate by pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel students, stating that the University had not been enforcing its policy of keeping the gate path clear. \u003ccite>(Juliana Yamada for KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We, too, want to challenge antisemitism. This is not the way to do it,” said Theresa Montaño, a member of the California Faculty Association and a professor at California State University, Northridge. “This bill does nothing to challenge antisemitism. 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Earlier versions mandated instructional materials on Jews, Israel and the Israel-Palestine conflict, which have since been removed from the bill’s language. The bill also does not define antisemitism. 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