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"content": "\u003cp>A lot happened this year. A lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But among all the politics, natural disasters and international controversies, there were also the stories that taught us something new, interesting and important about the Bay Area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Those were the stories we tried to bring you this year on \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/series/baycurious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Bay Curious\u003c/a>,\" and we wanted to take a minute at the end of this wild year to look back on some of the most unexpected and intriguing things we learned while making the show in 2018.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>1. Green Goddess dressing was named after a film that featured white actors playing Indian characters.\u003c/strong> And it was invented at San Francisco's Palace Hotel in the 1920s. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11691757/golden-state-plate-the-unsavory-history-of-green-goddess-dressing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>2. Rent control has been good for keeping people in San Francisco, but it has not been good for allowing new people into the city.\u003c/strong> One major study found rent control in San Francisco pushed rents up 7 percent citywide over the past few decades, while another found that getting rid of rent control would be the worst thing for preserving affordability for those currently living in the city. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11677380/is-rent-control-working-and-should-we-have-more-or-less-of-it\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>3. \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/karlthefog\">@KarltheFog\u003c/a> is named after a 2003 Tim Burton movie.\u003c/strong> The anonymous creator of the Twitter handle told SF Weekly that they saw similarities between San Francisco's fog and the giant Karl, who everyone was afraid of because they thought he would kill or eat them, when in fact he was just hungry and lonely. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11682057/how-the-bay-areas-fog-came-to-be-named-karl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>4. You can stand on Alameda Island and be in San Francisco at the same time.\u003c/strong> Part of the old Alameda Naval Air Station was built on landfill that crossed over the county line in the middle of the bay, and two local women took the government to court claiming ownership of the land dating back to the king of Spain in 1820. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11702058/why-is-part-of-alameda-island-in-san-francisco\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>5. It takes three days for water to get from Hetch Hetchy to San Francisco taps.\u003c/strong> Along the way, it goes through a hydroelectric dam that generates electricity that helps power San Francisco schools as well as Muni light-rail vehicles, streetcars and trolley coaches. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11674188/hetch-hetchy-waters-epic-journey-from-mountains-to-tap\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>6. Frank Lloyd Wright designed a second Bay Bridge that was never built.\u003c/strong> Wright dubbed it the \"Butterfly Bridge,\" and it would have had a hanging garden at its center. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11642644/the-beautiful-bay-bridge-frank-lloyd-wright-never-got-to-build\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>7. California is actually named after a fictional island ruled by a group of black warrior women.\u003c/strong> Also, San Ramon wasn't named for an actual saint, and Berkeley was named for a slave owner. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11674280/map-how-75-bay-area-places-got-their-names\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>8. California is the only state in the country where motorcycles can legally drive between lanes of traffic or \"lane split.\"\u003c/strong> But it is legal and even expected in much of the rest of the world. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11680481/10-things-you-need-to-know-to-understand-lane-splitting-in-california\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>9. There really are more dogs than children in San Francisco.\u003c/strong> In fact, San Francisco has the lowest percentage of children of any major city, according to U.S. census data. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11669269/are-there-really-more-dogs-than-children-in-s-f\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>10. There are specific policies that have prevented the Tenderloin from becoming as unaffordable as the rest of San Francisco.\u003c/strong> They include nonprofit land ownership, height restrictions, and protections for SROs and historic landmarks. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11665527/why-hasnt-the-tenderloin-gentrified-like-the-rest-of-san-francisco\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>11. You're more likely to win an Oscar, be born with 11 toes or get hit by a car than be bitten by a shark off California's coast.\u003c/strong> Abalone divers are most at risk with a 1 in 1.44 million chance of being attacked. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11657595/how-worried-should-you-be-about-shark-attacks-on-the-california-coast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>12. The California Department of Parks and Recreation invented a \"curse\" on the ghost town of Bodie.\u003c/strong> A park ranger spread the myth that if you took anything from Bodie, you would be cursed in hopes of discouraging sticky-fingered visitors. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11640709/how-this-ghost-towns-curse-backfired-on-park-rangers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>13. Green-thumbed Australians brought eucalyptus seeds to California during the Gold Rush.\u003c/strong> They were able to grow in California's soil, and became popular for firewood and as windbreaks. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11644927/eucalyptus-how-californias-most-hated-tree-took-root-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>14. Odds are good that the mystery stone walls that dot the East Bay were built by European settlers, not aliens or an ancient native civilization.\u003c/strong> There's no surefire answer, but there is little evidence to support some of the more bizarre theories that have gotten traction over the years. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689504/uncovering-the-real-story-behind-the-mysterious-east-bay-walls\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>15. There were once hundreds of Native American shellmounds throughout the Bay Area.\u003c/strong> Almost all of these important ceremonial Ohlone sites have been flattened or destroyed, and replaced with furniture stores, fast food restaurants and other modern creations. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11704679/there-were-once-more-than-425-shellmounds-in-the-bay-area-where-did-they-go\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>But wait there's more!\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Here are a few other stories that we loved about the Bay Area this year:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>It's possible to ride every single Muni line in one day.\u003c/strong> But, as the San Francisco Chronicle's Heather Knight and Peter Hartlaub found out during their #TotalMuni2018 expedition, it will take 18 hours. \u003cem>Experience the sojourn in real time from the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Live-updates-from-TotalMuni2018-12873525.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">live blog\u003c/a>, read the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Total-Muni-2018-a-reminder-of-how-amazing-SF-and-12886667.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">narrative version \u003c/a>or listen to the four-part series on \u003ca href=\"https://open.spotify.com/episode/5HgPvSK9pBVYRBpcv4JguC\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Big Event podcast.\u003c/a> \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The abandoned pink building on the corner of MacArthur Boulevard and Martin Luther King Jr. Way in Oakland has a lot of stories to tell.\u003c/strong> Our friends at the \"\u003ca href=\"https://eastbayyesterday.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">East Bay Yesterday\u003c/a>\" podcast dug in on how this one building sheds light on the struggles of African-American-owned businesses, the Occupy movement and The Town's exploding real estate market. \u003cem>Listen to the full episode \u003ca href=\"https://soundcloud.com/user-736747354/this-strange-monument-the-story-behind-one-of-oaklands-most-prominent-abandoned-buildings\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here\u003c/a>\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Humboldt County invented/introduced the world to Bigfoot.\u003c/strong> Mike McPhate of the \u003ca href=\"https://www.californiasun.co/\">California Sun newsletter\u003c/a> marked the legend's 60th anniversary with a look back at its origin and then denunciation from a Humboldt County forest worker, and how that hasn't stopped people (including Jane frigging Goodall) from still believing. \u003cem>Read the full story \u003ca href=\"https://www.californiasun.co/stories/when-california-introduced-bigfoot-to-the-world/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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It takes three days for water to get from Hetch Hetchy to San Francisco taps.\u003c/strong> Along the way, it goes through a hydroelectric dam that generates electricity that helps power San Francisco schools as well as Muni light-rail vehicles, streetcars and trolley coaches. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11674188/hetch-hetchy-waters-epic-journey-from-mountains-to-tap\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>6. Frank Lloyd Wright designed a second Bay Bridge that was never built.\u003c/strong> Wright dubbed it the \"Butterfly Bridge,\" and it would have had a hanging garden at its center. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11642644/the-beautiful-bay-bridge-frank-lloyd-wright-never-got-to-build\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>7. 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There really are more dogs than children in San Francisco.\u003c/strong> In fact, San Francisco has the lowest percentage of children of any major city, according to U.S. census data. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11669269/are-there-really-more-dogs-than-children-in-s-f\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>10. There are specific policies that have prevented the Tenderloin from becoming as unaffordable as the rest of San Francisco.\u003c/strong> They include nonprofit land ownership, height restrictions, and protections for SROs and historic landmarks. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11665527/why-hasnt-the-tenderloin-gentrified-like-the-rest-of-san-francisco\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>11. You're more likely to win an Oscar, be born with 11 toes or get hit by a car than be bitten by a shark off California's coast.\u003c/strong> Abalone divers are most at risk with a 1 in 1.44 million chance of being attacked. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11657595/how-worried-should-you-be-about-shark-attacks-on-the-california-coast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>12. The California Department of Parks and Recreation invented a \"curse\" on the ghost town of Bodie.\u003c/strong> A park ranger spread the myth that if you took anything from Bodie, you would be cursed in hopes of discouraging sticky-fingered visitors. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11640709/how-this-ghost-towns-curse-backfired-on-park-rangers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>13. Green-thumbed Australians brought eucalyptus seeds to California during the Gold Rush.\u003c/strong> They were able to grow in California's soil, and became popular for firewood and as windbreaks. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11644927/eucalyptus-how-californias-most-hated-tree-took-root-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>14. Odds are good that the mystery stone walls that dot the East Bay were built by European settlers, not aliens or an ancient native civilization.\u003c/strong> There's no surefire answer, but there is little evidence to support some of the more bizarre theories that have gotten traction over the years. \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11689504/uncovering-the-real-story-behind-the-mysterious-east-bay-walls\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Learn more\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>15. 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This year, the event takes place on Dec. 8.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Curious takes a look back to when it first began with this timeline from reporter Sonia Paul, who first wrote about \u003ca href=\"https://harpers.org/blog/2017/12/searching-for-santacon/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SantaCon for Harper’s Magazine\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Santacon/Santarchy Timeline\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1977\u003c/b>: \u003ca href=\"http://www.suicideclub.com/\">The Suicide Club\u003c/a>, a secret society focused on creating experiences for people to face their fears, is founded in San Francisco. The group’s events include both daredevil urban adventures and infiltration into groups like the California Nazi Party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708167\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-11708167\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-1020x680.jpg\" alt=\"In 1977 the Suicide Club cut up refrigerator boxes and slid down the letters above South San Francisco.\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">In 1977 the Suicide Club cut up refrigerator boxes and slid down the letters above South San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Thomas Hawk/flickr)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Late 1977\u003c/b>: One of the Suicide Club’s founders, Gary Warne, comes across a \u003ca href=\"https://books.google.com/books?id=reYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=solvognen+danish+christmas&source=bl&ots=wVj2kmXBwW&sig=dseDyDZMB5yJAYEzafASHTOmQkI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixtrao5vLeAhUJi1QKHcLbDyUQ6AEwEnoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false\">Mother Jones article\u003c/a> about \u003ci>Solvognen\u003c/i>, a Danish anarchist theatre group that demonstrated in 1974 against the greed and consumerism associated with Christmas. Warne suggests a Suicide Club event where members would dress up as Santa, but no one acts on it, and the idea is forgotten.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708168\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708168\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-1020x1360.jpg\" alt=\"John Law stands behind a book about the Cacophony Society.\" width=\"300\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-1920x2560.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Law stands behind a book about the Cacophony Society. \u003ccite>(Sonia Paul/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1986\u003c/b>: The Cacophony Society is born as a more expansive and less intense version of the Suicide Club. It calls itself “a randomly gathered network of individuals united in the pursuit of experiences beyond the pale of mainstream society.” Cacophony Society gatherings revolve around subversive pranks and bizarre events, like throwing a formal party in the laundromat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1987\u003c/b>: Rob Schmitt, the founder of SantaCon, moves to the Bay Area from Minnesota. He soon becomes involved with the Cacophony Society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Fall 1994\u003c/b>: While making costumes for a Cacophony event at his friend’s house, Rob Schmitt sees a postcard of people dressed as Santa playing pool in a gay bar. The sender of the postcard participated in the first themed camp at Burning Man, Christmas Camp. Rob gets an idea: What if the Cacophony Society threw an event where people could dress up as Santa and go around the streets of San Francisco? He is not aware of \u003ci>Solvognen\u003c/i> or Gary Warne’s idea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He takes his idea to a Cacophony Society meeting, where some people dismiss it, but a few are interested. They hold a planning meeting at Specs’ Twelve Adler Museum Cafe. They figure out where they can buy Santa suits and decide to rent a bus to shuttle the Santas around the city. Rob secures free passes to ride the cable car and informs workers at Emporium-Capwell, a now-defunct department store, that he’ll be bringing a bunch of Santas over on a Tuesday night in late December.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dec. 20, 1994:\u003c/b> The first SantaCon — or Cheap Suit Santas as it was called — is held in San Francisco. Thirty-eight participants dressed in Santa suits meet at the Embarcadero, where a skating rink is set up for the holidays. They get into a snowball fight with ice shavings before marching into a local hotel shouting “ho, ho, ho.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708187\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708187 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-800x579.png\" alt=\"Rob Schmitt rented a bus for the Cheap Suit Santas to roam the streets of San Francisco.\" width=\"800\" height=\"579\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-800x579.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-160x116.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-1020x739.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-1200x869.png 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708.png 1428w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A bus of Cheap Suit Santas ready to hit the streets of San Francisco at the second SantaCon in 1995. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A bus takes the Santas around the city, where they crash company Christmas parties, but the more memorable stops are a kiddie carnival located at the top of Emporium-Capwell, a debutante ball and a unionized strip club called the Lusty Lady.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708194\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708194 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-800x579.png\" alt=\"Santas headed into the Lusty Lady, a unionized strip club.\" width=\"800\" height=\"579\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-800x579.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-160x116.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-1020x738.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-1200x868.png 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823.png 1426w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Santas headed into the Lusty Lady, a unionized strip club. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Late that night, John Law, one of the co-founders of Burning Man who was also a member of the Cacophony Society, has his friends pretend to hang him from steel scaffolding in the middle of the street (he is wearing a body harness underneath his Santa suit that enables this).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says his premise for participating in the event is more along the lines of \u003ci>Solvognen’s\u003c/i> sentiment about Christmas — he feels modern-day Christmas has become an example of what he calls “middle-class hypocrisy,” and this hanging is meant to be a street-theater protest against that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708189\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708189 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-800x1097.png\" alt=\"John Law hangs from a light wearing a harness underneath his suit.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1097\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-800x1097.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-160x219.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-1020x1399.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-875x1200.png 875w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM.png 1038w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Law hangs from a light wearing a harness underneath his suit. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>December 1995: \u003c/b>SantaCon returns, and more than 100 people take part in this year’s event. With more people, more alcohol and more boldness among participants, it takes on a more rambunctious tone. At the end of the night, John Law has his friends hang him from a street lamp for another street-theater protest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708195\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708195 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-800x1105.png\" alt=\"Santas at the second Cacophony Society Cheap Suit Santas event.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1105\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-800x1105.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-160x221.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-1020x1409.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-868x1200.png 868w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1.png 1032w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Santas at the second Cacophony Society Cheap Suit Santas event. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>December 1996:\u003c/b> The Portland chapter of the Cacophony Society brings SantaCon up north for its own version of the event. A website, Santarchy.com (a fusion of “Santa” and “anarchy”) helps advertise the event. With the rise of the internet, more people find out about SantaCon and bring it to their city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1997 onward\u003c/b>: SantaCon grows into an annual tradition in different cities around the world and becomes known as a pub crawl. New York, London, Los Angeles and Tokyo are just a few of the cities where SantaCon now takes place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708197\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708197 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-800x556.jpg\" alt=\"Revellers in Santa costumes gather around Nelson's Column during a 'Santacon' in Trafalgar Square in central London.\" width=\"800\" height=\"556\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-800x556.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-160x111.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-1020x709.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-1200x834.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-1920x1334.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Revelers in Santa costumes gather around Nelson’s Column during a SantaCon in Trafalgar Square in central London. \u003ccite>(LEON NEAL/AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Every December, about 17,000 people gather on the streets of San Francisco for what has become one of the city’s preeminent drinking holidays: SantaCon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You’ll see people wearing some version of the Santa costume, and they’ll just be going from bar to bar in big groups of Santas,” says Alyssa Poe of Berkeley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She first stumbled upon SantaCon on a Saturday in December a few years ago, while visiting San Francisco with a friend. Ever since, she’s wondered where the event came from, and how it became a phenomenon that’s now celebrated in cities like London, Melbourne and Tokyo.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Though New York City can lay claim to having the biggest SantaCon these days, it got its start in San Francisco. This year, the event takes place on Dec. 8.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Bay Curious takes a look back to when it first began with this timeline from reporter Sonia Paul, who first wrote about \u003ca href=\"https://harpers.org/blog/2017/12/searching-for-santacon/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SantaCon for Harper’s Magazine\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Santacon/Santarchy Timeline\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1977\u003c/b>: \u003ca href=\"http://www.suicideclub.com/\">The Suicide Club\u003c/a>, a secret society focused on creating experiences for people to face their fears, is founded in San Francisco. The group’s events include both daredevil urban adventures and infiltration into groups like the California Nazi Party.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708167\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-11708167\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-1020x680.jpg\" alt=\"In 1977 the Suicide Club cut up refrigerator boxes and slid down the letters above South San Francisco.\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b-800x534.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/6169505292_29575350b6_b.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">In 1977 the Suicide Club cut up refrigerator boxes and slid down the letters above South San Francisco. \u003ccite>(Thomas Hawk/flickr)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Late 1977\u003c/b>: One of the Suicide Club’s founders, Gary Warne, comes across a \u003ca href=\"https://books.google.com/books?id=reYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=solvognen+danish+christmas&source=bl&ots=wVj2kmXBwW&sig=dseDyDZMB5yJAYEzafASHTOmQkI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixtrao5vLeAhUJi1QKHcLbDyUQ6AEwEnoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false\">Mother Jones article\u003c/a> about \u003ci>Solvognen\u003c/i>, a Danish anarchist theatre group that demonstrated in 1974 against the greed and consumerism associated with Christmas. Warne suggests a Suicide Club event where members would dress up as Santa, but no one acts on it, and the idea is forgotten.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708168\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 300px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708168\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-1020x1360.jpg\" alt=\"John Law stands behind a book about the Cacophony Society.\" width=\"300\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_9769-1920x2560.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Law stands behind a book about the Cacophony Society. \u003ccite>(Sonia Paul/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1986\u003c/b>: The Cacophony Society is born as a more expansive and less intense version of the Suicide Club. It calls itself “a randomly gathered network of individuals united in the pursuit of experiences beyond the pale of mainstream society.” Cacophony Society gatherings revolve around subversive pranks and bizarre events, like throwing a formal party in the laundromat.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1987\u003c/b>: Rob Schmitt, the founder of SantaCon, moves to the Bay Area from Minnesota. He soon becomes involved with the Cacophony Society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Fall 1994\u003c/b>: While making costumes for a Cacophony event at his friend’s house, Rob Schmitt sees a postcard of people dressed as Santa playing pool in a gay bar. The sender of the postcard participated in the first themed camp at Burning Man, Christmas Camp. Rob gets an idea: What if the Cacophony Society threw an event where people could dress up as Santa and go around the streets of San Francisco? He is not aware of \u003ci>Solvognen\u003c/i> or Gary Warne’s idea.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He takes his idea to a Cacophony Society meeting, where some people dismiss it, but a few are interested. They hold a planning meeting at Specs’ Twelve Adler Museum Cafe. They figure out where they can buy Santa suits and decide to rent a bus to shuttle the Santas around the city. Rob secures free passes to ride the cable car and informs workers at Emporium-Capwell, a now-defunct department store, that he’ll be bringing a bunch of Santas over on a Tuesday night in late December.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Dec. 20, 1994:\u003c/b> The first SantaCon — or Cheap Suit Santas as it was called — is held in San Francisco. Thirty-eight participants dressed in Santa suits meet at the Embarcadero, where a skating rink is set up for the holidays. They get into a snowball fight with ice shavings before marching into a local hotel shouting “ho, ho, ho.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708187\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708187 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-800x579.png\" alt=\"Rob Schmitt rented a bus for the Cheap Suit Santas to roam the streets of San Francisco.\" width=\"800\" height=\"579\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-800x579.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-160x116.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-1020x739.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708-1200x869.png 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.47-PM-e1543263397708.png 1428w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A bus of Cheap Suit Santas ready to hit the streets of San Francisco at the second SantaCon in 1995. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A bus takes the Santas around the city, where they crash company Christmas parties, but the more memorable stops are a kiddie carnival located at the top of Emporium-Capwell, a debutante ball and a unionized strip club called the Lusty Lady.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708194\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708194 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-800x579.png\" alt=\"Santas headed into the Lusty Lady, a unionized strip club.\" width=\"800\" height=\"579\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-800x579.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-160x116.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-1020x738.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823-1200x868.png 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.21.12-PM-e1543263872823.png 1426w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Santas headed into the Lusty Lady, a unionized strip club. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Late that night, John Law, one of the co-founders of Burning Man who was also a member of the Cacophony Society, has his friends pretend to hang him from steel scaffolding in the middle of the street (he is wearing a body harness underneath his Santa suit that enables this).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He says his premise for participating in the event is more along the lines of \u003ci>Solvognen’s\u003c/i> sentiment about Christmas — he feels modern-day Christmas has become an example of what he calls “middle-class hypocrisy,” and this hanging is meant to be a street-theater protest against that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708189\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708189 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-800x1097.png\" alt=\"John Law hangs from a light wearing a harness underneath his suit.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1097\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-800x1097.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-160x219.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-1020x1399.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM-875x1200.png 875w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.11.57-PM.png 1038w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Law hangs from a light wearing a harness underneath his suit. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>December 1995: \u003c/b>SantaCon returns, and more than 100 people take part in this year’s event. With more people, more alcohol and more boldness among participants, it takes on a more rambunctious tone. At the end of the night, John Law has his friends hang him from a street lamp for another street-theater protest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708195\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708195 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-800x1105.png\" alt=\"Santas at the second Cacophony Society Cheap Suit Santas event.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1105\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-800x1105.png 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-160x221.png 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-1020x1409.png 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1-868x1200.png 868w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/Screen-Shot-2018-11-26-at-12.12.32-PM-1.png 1032w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Santas at the second Cacophony Society Cheap Suit Santas event. \u003ccite>(Peter Field)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>December 1996:\u003c/b> The Portland chapter of the Cacophony Society brings SantaCon up north for its own version of the event. A website, Santarchy.com (a fusion of “Santa” and “anarchy”) helps advertise the event. With the rise of the internet, more people find out about SantaCon and bring it to their city.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>1997 onward\u003c/b>: SantaCon grows into an annual tradition in different cities around the world and becomes known as a pub crawl. New York, London, Los Angeles and Tokyo are just a few of the cities where SantaCon now takes place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708197\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11708197 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-800x556.jpg\" alt=\"Revellers in Santa costumes gather around Nelson's Column during a 'Santacon' in Trafalgar Square in central London.\" width=\"800\" height=\"556\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-800x556.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-160x111.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-1020x709.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-1200x834.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/GettyImages-158391987-1920x1334.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Revelers in Santa costumes gather around Nelson’s Column during a SantaCon in Trafalgar Square in central London. \u003ccite>(LEON NEAL/AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>You don’t have to be a cyclist in the Bay Area to appreciate that bike theft is rampant. Walking around, you might notice broken U-locks next to bike racks where someone’s ride vanished. Or skeletal bike frames that are still locked up, but the wheels, seat, and anything else that wasn’t welded in place have all been picked clean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An \u003ca href=\"https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/FileCenter/Documents/46121-BLA.BikeTheft.052413.pdf\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">analysis\u003c/a> estimated that in 2012 there were more than 4,000 actual, attempted or unreported bike thefts in San Francisco, with some $4.6 million worth of bikes taken.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In this episode of Bay Curious (listen using the play button above), we unpack two questions — what the San Francisco Police Department is doing about bike theft, and what happens after bikes or bicycle parts are stolen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along the way, reporter Daniel Potter learned several surprising facts. Here are his top 10:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>1. Some bike thieves are handy with power tools.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nMaybe you already knew a cheap cable lock is no match for a sturdy pair of bolt cutters. Or that metal U-locks can sometimes be defeated using car jacks. But in the arms race between thieves and deterrents, a power tool called a cordless angle grinder is hard to beat. In a spray of sparks, this handheld electric saw can slice through metal — meaning even a decent U-lock might not be enough. Alas, there’s a tool for everything.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>2. Organized crime is a factor.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nBike thieves operate on different levels. Some are low-level opportunists — they’ll grab a saddle or an unsecured wheel to make a quick buck. Others are much more sophisticated. They have not only power tools but also trucks, and places to store bikes that may end up for sale online — or in other cities. It’s not unheard of for bikes stolen in the Bay Area to turn up in Los Angeles or Portland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Box Dog Bikes, in San Francisco’s Mission District, \u003ca href=\"https://hoodline.com/2018/08/burglars-swipe-most-of-box-dog-bikes-bicycle-inventory-wednesday-night\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">knows this kind of crime firsthand\u003c/a>. In August, burglars broke into the store overnight and hauled away 21 bikes valued at more than $40,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708773\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"Box Dog Bikes in San Francisco was burglarized in August 2017, and dozens of bicycles were taken.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11708773\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-960x540.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-240x135.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-375x211.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-520x293.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Box Dog Bikes in San Francisco was burglarized in August 2017, and dozens of bicycles were taken. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Box Dog Bikes)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>3. Even so, bike thefts in S.F. are trending down.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nComparing the first nine months of 2018 to the same period last year, San Francisco police say bike thefts dropped 23 percent, from 572 to 441.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That could be thanks partly to outside factors, like the proliferation of bike-rental kiosks and scooters that enable people to risk their own bikes less. But police chalk it up to expanded foot patrols warding off some would-be thieves, along with newly centralized investigations aimed at stopping higher-level theft rings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>4. Stolen bikes are often swapped, then swapped again.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nIn some circles, bikes aren’t just a practical mode of transportation, but also a kind of currency. An intact bike is like a large bill that can be broken up into smaller denominations in the form of parts, and later reconstituted as a different ride.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This means stolen bikes and parts tend to change hands early and often — potentially complicating police work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>5. Hot bikes go for pennies on the dollar.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nA bike that would retail for over $1,000 often goes for a lot less when it’s stolen. That’s partly because bike thieves may be eager to offload hot property for quick cash (see #4 above) and also because the bikes are often reconfigured in order to sell parts separately — or to hastily disguise a stolen frame, say, with a new paint job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When athlete Canaan Vallejos’ stolen bike turned up on Craigslist, he managed to get it back — minus the racks and expensive saddle, which had been replaced with a seat so cheap he told me “they wouldn’t put that thing on a Huffy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>6. Websites like \u003ca href=\"https://bikeindex.org/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bike Index\u003c/a> help people recover their stolen bikes.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nThousands of bikes have been returned to their proper owners thanks to people volunteering their time and keeping an eye out for bikes reported stolen in their area. With help from a tipster using Bike Index, Robin Lee, one of this week’s question-askers, managed to track down a customized mountain bike that was stolen out of her garage. (The police helped get it back, and SFPD recommends calling 911 if you have eyes on someone with your stolen bike.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousbug]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>7. SFPD has a warehouse full of stolen bikes whose original owners can’t be found.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nAn analysis found that in 2012, SFPD recovered 864 stolen bikes, but only 142 went home with their owners — about 16 percent. Asked if she could ballpark the current number of recovered bikes in storage, Public Information Officer Giselle Linnane told me “hundreds, yeah — at least.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says police often simply don’t have contact information for owners or a way to track them down — and that filing a police report improves your chances of getting your bike back. Bikes that can’t be returned are eventually given to charity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>8. There are many ways to help protect your bike …\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nSome perfectly reasonable bike commuters use not one but two U-locks, and safeguard their wheels using cables or locking skewers. There are also companies that sell heavy chains, tracking devices and even a lock that \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/oct/21/bike-lock-developed-that-makes-thieves-immediately-vomit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">sprays noxious fumes\u003c/a> if it’s cut.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One person I met for this story moved all the furniture out of her bedroom except the bed so her bike could sleep behind the same door she does. Another locks up her bikes in her garage with a camera pointing at them, so she can look in on them when she wakes up worried.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708782\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Lonely frame\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11708782\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The frame is locked, but every part that once made this a bike is now gone—the wheels, seat, chain, handlebars, and pedals have all been stripped away. An analysis found millions of dollars worth of bikes and parts are stolen in San Francisco each year. \u003ccite>(Daniel Potter/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>9. … But one that’s often overlooked is having pictures and the serial number.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>If your bike is stolen, your chance of getting it back is much better if you’ve snapped a few pics — including one of the \u003ca href=\"https://bikeindex.org/serials\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">serial number\u003c/a>, which is usually engraved near the pedals when you flip the bike over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>10. Bike rental kiosks aren’t just for tourists.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nYou might expect hardcore cyclists to sneer at the cruisers you can now check out from automated stations around the Bay Area. But more than one seasoned rider told me if they’re pedaling to a place where they wouldn’t feel great locking up their own bike, it’s worth it to just rent one instead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Thank you to Robin Lee and Carolyn Thomas, who sent in the questions that prompted this episode. Thank you also to the many people who did not appear in the podcast, but who kindly made time to talk — among them Canaan Vallejos, Mailee Hung, Will Rose, Bryan Hance at Bike Index, Brian Wiedenmeier at SF Bicycle Coalition, and Eric Lonowski at Box Dog Bikes.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousquestion]\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>You don’t have to be a cyclist in the Bay Area to appreciate that bike theft is rampant. Walking around, you might notice broken U-locks next to bike racks where someone’s ride vanished. Or skeletal bike frames that are still locked up, but the wheels, seat, and anything else that wasn’t welded in place have all been picked clean.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>An \u003ca href=\"https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/FileCenter/Documents/46121-BLA.BikeTheft.052413.pdf\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">analysis\u003c/a> estimated that in 2012 there were more than 4,000 actual, attempted or unreported bike thefts in San Francisco, with some $4.6 million worth of bikes taken.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In this episode of Bay Curious (listen using the play button above), we unpack two questions — what the San Francisco Police Department is doing about bike theft, and what happens after bikes or bicycle parts are stolen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Along the way, reporter Daniel Potter learned several surprising facts. Here are his top 10:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>1. Some bike thieves are handy with power tools.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nMaybe you already knew a cheap cable lock is no match for a sturdy pair of bolt cutters. Or that metal U-locks can sometimes be defeated using car jacks. But in the arms race between thieves and deterrents, a power tool called a cordless angle grinder is hard to beat. In a spray of sparks, this handheld electric saw can slice through metal — meaning even a decent U-lock might not be enough. Alas, there’s a tool for everything.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>2. Organized crime is a factor.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nBike thieves operate on different levels. Some are low-level opportunists — they’ll grab a saddle or an unsecured wheel to make a quick buck. Others are much more sophisticated. They have not only power tools but also trucks, and places to store bikes that may end up for sale online — or in other cities. It’s not unheard of for bikes stolen in the Bay Area to turn up in Los Angeles or Portland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Box Dog Bikes, in San Francisco’s Mission District, \u003ca href=\"https://hoodline.com/2018/08/burglars-swipe-most-of-box-dog-bikes-bicycle-inventory-wednesday-night\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">knows this kind of crime firsthand\u003c/a>. In August, burglars broke into the store overnight and hauled away 21 bikes valued at more than $40,000.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708773\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"Box Dog Bikes in San Francisco was burglarized in August 2017, and dozens of bicycles were taken.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11708773\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-960x540.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-240x135.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-375x211.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes-520x293.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bikes.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Box Dog Bikes in San Francisco was burglarized in August 2017, and dozens of bicycles were taken. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Box Dog Bikes)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>3. Even so, bike thefts in S.F. are trending down.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nComparing the first nine months of 2018 to the same period last year, San Francisco police say bike thefts dropped 23 percent, from 572 to 441.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That could be thanks partly to outside factors, like the proliferation of bike-rental kiosks and scooters that enable people to risk their own bikes less. But police chalk it up to expanded foot patrols warding off some would-be thieves, along with newly centralized investigations aimed at stopping higher-level theft rings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>4. Stolen bikes are often swapped, then swapped again.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nIn some circles, bikes aren’t just a practical mode of transportation, but also a kind of currency. An intact bike is like a large bill that can be broken up into smaller denominations in the form of parts, and later reconstituted as a different ride.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This means stolen bikes and parts tend to change hands early and often — potentially complicating police work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>5. Hot bikes go for pennies on the dollar.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nA bike that would retail for over $1,000 often goes for a lot less when it’s stolen. That’s partly because bike thieves may be eager to offload hot property for quick cash (see #4 above) and also because the bikes are often reconfigured in order to sell parts separately — or to hastily disguise a stolen frame, say, with a new paint job.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When athlete Canaan Vallejos’ stolen bike turned up on Craigslist, he managed to get it back — minus the racks and expensive saddle, which had been replaced with a seat so cheap he told me “they wouldn’t put that thing on a Huffy.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>6. Websites like \u003ca href=\"https://bikeindex.org/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bike Index\u003c/a> help people recover their stolen bikes.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nThousands of bikes have been returned to their proper owners thanks to people volunteering their time and keeping an eye out for bikes reported stolen in their area. With help from a tipster using Bike Index, Robin Lee, one of this week’s question-askers, managed to track down a customized mountain bike that was stolen out of her garage. (The police helped get it back, and SFPD recommends calling 911 if you have eyes on someone with your stolen bike.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n What do you wonder about the Bay Area, its culture or people that you want KQED to investigate?\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Ask Bay Curious.\u003c/a>\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>7. SFPD has a warehouse full of stolen bikes whose original owners can’t be found.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nAn analysis found that in 2012, SFPD recovered 864 stolen bikes, but only 142 went home with their owners — about 16 percent. Asked if she could ballpark the current number of recovered bikes in storage, Public Information Officer Giselle Linnane told me “hundreds, yeah — at least.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says police often simply don’t have contact information for owners or a way to track them down — and that filing a police report improves your chances of getting your bike back. Bikes that can’t be returned are eventually given to charity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>8. There are many ways to help protect your bike …\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nSome perfectly reasonable bike commuters use not one but two U-locks, and safeguard their wheels using cables or locking skewers. There are also companies that sell heavy chains, tracking devices and even a lock that \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/oct/21/bike-lock-developed-that-makes-thieves-immediately-vomit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">sprays noxious fumes\u003c/a> if it’s cut.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One person I met for this story moved all the furniture out of her bedroom except the bed so her bike could sleep behind the same door she does. Another locks up her bikes in her garage with a camera pointing at them, so she can look in on them when she wakes up worried.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11708782\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"Lonely frame\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11708782\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/bike-frame2-1920x1440.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The frame is locked, but every part that once made this a bike is now gone—the wheels, seat, chain, handlebars, and pedals have all been stripped away. An analysis found millions of dollars worth of bikes and parts are stolen in San Francisco each year. \u003ccite>(Daniel Potter/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>9. … But one that’s often overlooked is having pictures and the serial number.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/strong>If your bike is stolen, your chance of getting it back is much better if you’ve snapped a few pics — including one of the \u003ca href=\"https://bikeindex.org/serials\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">serial number\u003c/a>, which is usually engraved near the pedals when you flip the bike over.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>10. Bike rental kiosks aren’t just for tourists.\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nYou might expect hardcore cyclists to sneer at the cruisers you can now check out from automated stations around the Bay Area. 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"content": "\u003cp>In San Francisco, the houses are quite cozy — sometimes mere inches apart. We can hear our neighbors’ wailing babies, their band practice and even their showers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This design is pretty common in cities across the country, but Friedel Pretorius, this week’s Bay Curious question asker, couldn’t help noticing it here.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I like walking around San Francisco and just observing all the different houses,” says Friedel. “And I noticed that a lot of the buildings in San Francisco are really close together, like less than a foot.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She wants to know why they are so close and how they ended up this way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s always rot and maintenance that old houses need, and I just wonder how are they built and how are they maintained,” Friedel says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://sfhistory.org/board-of-directors/#c-fracchia\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Charles Fracchia\u003c/a> has the answer. He’s the founder of the\u003ca href=\"https://sfhistory.org/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> San Francisco Museum and Historical Society, \u003c/a>and has written several books on San Francisco history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I meet him in the Jackson Square area, just north of the Transamerica Pyramid, where some of the city’s oldest buildings still stand. His bushy white eyebrows peek out from circular rimmed glasses that give him a scholarly look.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11705856\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11705856 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0366-1-e1542057208808-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"This house once stood at 1916 Sacramento Street and was built in 1878. The parlors on each floor were 15 and a half feet wide and the staircase was about five feet wide. Today, apartments occupy this lot.\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0366-1-e1542057208808-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0366-1-e1542057208808-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0366-1-e1542057208808-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0366-1-e1542057208808-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0366-1-e1542057208808.jpg 1224w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">This house, called the H. W. Newbauer House, once stood at 1916 Sacramento St. and was built in 1878. The parlors on each floor were 15 and a half feet wide and the staircase was about 5 feet wide. Today, apartments occupy this lot. \u003ccite>(Quarterly Architectural News, October 1879)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“So you notice every one of these is on a lot next to each other, basically back to back,” says Fracchia. “There are no side yards or gardens.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’re looking at a series of brick buildings, two to three stories tall, very plain. He tells me this tight style of building was common in old European settlements, too.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Ancient towns and cities had a wall around them. So you wanted to compress your real estate as much as you can,” says Fracchia, offering Paris in the Middle Ages as an example.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He tells me cities were designed this way to protect against invaders.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I ask him how San Francisco made this idea its own, and he ushers me into a nearby private dining club he’s a member of, to show me some framed paintings of what the city looked like before it was a city … before it became squished together.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Here’s the one I really wanted to show you,” he says. “You notice there are just a handful of buildings over here. So very few buildings.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11702207\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11702207 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/10/Close1-800x541.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"541\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Charles Fracchia points to a drawing of San Francisco before the Gold Rush. \u003ccite>(Sarah Craig/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>We are looking at a painting dated from 1846 to 1847. It’s right before the Gold Rush and right after the U.S. took over California from Mexico. At that point, there’s not really much to the city — it’s mostly sand dunes and it looks like peaceful, rolling countryside.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But even with so few people, there was a city council. They convinced the federal government to give them the land San Francisco sits on. And then, Fracchia says, they started divvying that land up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They did this late in 1846, when they hired O’Farrell to do the survey,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Jasper O’Farrell was an Irish-born surveyor. \u003ca href=\"https://www.revolvy.com/page/Jasper-O%27Farrell\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">O’Farrell Street in San Francisco is named after him.\u003c/a> He designed ranchos and other towns in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When he was given the job, there are about, let’s say, 500 people in the settlement of Yerba Buena,” says Fracchia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11702219\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11702219 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/10/Close2-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Charles Fracchia in front of a photo of San Francisco’s original waterfront. \u003ccite>(Sarah Craig/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>O’Farrell had no idea what the future held for this little settlement and he had to guess how big the city would become. With little direction from the city council, he was given free rein to design it however he fancied. He started with a grid — a format already in place by the Mexican settlers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fracchia then points out another drawing of an early map of the city with streets running perpendicular to one another.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The map has a bunch of teeny boxes, and each box represents a city block. Each of those blocks is divided into six smaller lots called varas — a Spanish unit of measurement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After O’Farrell finalized his map, the city started auctioning off these varas. The ones South of Market were going for cheap: $12.67. But those close to downtown were pricey: $50 to $100 per vara.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And as they are auctioning them off, the Gold Rush happens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All of a sudden, there’s a huge demand to cram together an exploding population. A lot of people need to fit into not much space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousbug]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The varas got subdivided into smaller lots, some less than 25 feet wide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s a very typical real estate operation in large U.S. cities,” says Fracchia. “You can get more money by splitting the lots up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But 25 feet is not that much space. Another local historian, William Kostura, says that it was just enough room for a parlor and a staircase. So in most cases, houses were built to take up the entire lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To build these houses, the walls had to be built first, on the ground, and then lifted into place using a system of levers and pulleys. This still happens.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In addition to the unique building techniques, Fracchia says the small lots also influenced the architecture of the buildings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That gave way to the shape of San Francisco flats or houses. You know, a long narrow corridor called a railroad flat. Little rooms off that. You don’t have any kind of expansion,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11705855\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11705855 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0367-1-e1542057187557-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0367-1-e1542057187557-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0367-1-e1542057187557-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0367-1-e1542057187557-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0367-1-e1542057187557-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/11/IMG_0367-1-e1542057187557.jpg 1224w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">This house once stood at 1916 Sacramento St. and was built in 1878. The parlors on each floor were 15½ feet wide and the staircase was about 5 feet wide. Today, apartments occupy this lot. \u003ccite>(Quarterly Architectural News, October 1879)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>A lot of these houses were often built with small gaps separating them — like 1 or 2 feet — to allow light to come in through the side walls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Maintaining those walls can get tricky.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How do you fix a house when you can’t get to the side?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Ben Ladomirak from\u003ca href=\"http://www.teevan.com/about-us/team/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Teevan \u003c/a>works on all sorts of houses in San Francisco, and he tells me he’s done everything imaginable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is nothing that exists on a home that we haven’t done,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He comes across houses that are super close together all the time, but he says “none are wide enough that you could get a person in there. I mean, I might be able to get a tiny person that’s not me. But all jokes aside, you can’t get in there.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And that means that he can’t paint them — which causes problems.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“UV damages the paint, which then makes the paint peel, which then makes the wood split and crack, which lets the water in, and it’s really water that does the damage,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This doesn’t happen that often because most walls are shaded from the sun. But when it does happen, it’s a big deal. If Ben thinks the wall is rotted out and the building might fall down, he has to do something.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The only way we’ll be able to deal with it is from the inside of your house. We cannot get to it from the outside,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Imagine everything on the wall being stripped down, all the sheetrock out, and you have the vertical studs that you can see. 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"content": "\u003cp>Brent Silver is a self-described foodie who has lived in San Francisco for 15 years. Over the years, he’s heard people claim all sorts of different foods were invented here: fortune cookies, chicken tetrazzini, the California roll and cioppino to name a few.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He came to Bay Curious looking for some facts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I wanted to know which foods originated in San Francisco?” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is one question with \u003cem>many\u003c/em> answers. So we’re starting a new series called “Golden State Plate,” to learn the true stories behind our iconic foods. We’re doing it in partnership with our friends at \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/program/the-california-report\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The California Report Magazine.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Silver didn’t come asking this question without a few foods in mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was watching one of those Food Network TV shows, and they were talking about green goddess dressing. It was like this vibrant green dressing that you would put on salad or chicken or meats of different kinds. What is green goddess dressing and is it from San Francisco?”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The Green Goddess Story\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>[dropcap]T[/dropcap]he Palace Hotel in downtown San Francisco is historically notable in a number of ways, including as a place where a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/105407/death-of-a-president-san-francisco-style\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">sitting president of the United States died\u003c/a>. It’s also the birthplace of a famous California recipe: green goddess dressing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ve likely seen the dressing on the shelves at the grocery store, but you may not know the story behind the condiment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two people who \u003cem>do\u003c/em> know a lot about green goddess dressing are Renee Roberts, who’s worked with the Palace Hotel for more than 20 years, and Laura Borrman, author of the new book \u003ca href=\"https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/Products/9781625859587\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">“Iconic San Francisco Dishes, Drinks & Desserts.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I met Roberts and Borrman at the palace’s Garden Court restaurant to try some of the famous dressing at its birthplace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691796\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691796\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-240x180.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-375x281.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Garden Court at the Palace Hotel. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Sitting here makes you feel sort of automatically connected to history,” says Borrman. “I think about all of the other people who have sat at these tables.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roberts agrees: “There’s a lot of history here… A lot of people have been through these doors.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This hotel, back in its day, was a place where lots of well-known and wealthy people stayed, like opera star \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/biography/Luisa-Tetrazzini\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Luisa Tetrazzini\u003c/a>. The hotel claims to have invented \u003ca href=\"https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/37784/easy-turkey-tetrazzini/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">turkey tetrazzini\u003c/a>, named after her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691797\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691797\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-800x1002.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1002\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-800x1002.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-1020x1278.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-958x1200.jpg 958w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-1180x1478.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-960x1203.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-240x301.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-375x470.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-520x651.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Luisa Tetrazzini was a famous opera singer who stayed at the Palace Hotel. \u003ccite>(Wikimedia Commons: Bain News Service, publisher Library of Congress)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Likewise, green goddess dressing was inspired by another star guest: George Arliss.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arliss was the lead actor in the 1920s play, “The Green Goddess.” While he was staying at the Palace Hotel for a performance, Head Chef Phillip Roemer created the special dressing to be served on the starter salad — and the rest is history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is a favorite,” Roberts says. “There was a point when someone thought they could change it and took it off the menu. It lasted for like a day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We can’t ignore how there’s something really enchanting about the phrase ‘The Green Goddess,'” says Bormann, who loves the dressing so much, she served it at her wedding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you wear a green dress to work, everybody’s calling you the green goddess,” Roberts laughs. “It’s just kind of a thing around here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So how do you make green goddess dressing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the kitchen, Executive Banquet Chef Juan Rojas throws all the ingredients in a blender: ice, pasteurized eggs, whole grain mustard, shallots, capers, chives, spinach, fresh tarragon, chopped parsley, tarragon vinaigrette, salt and pepper, some olive oil and lemon juice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The result is a tangy, bright green dressing that is a far cry from the original invented in this kitchen almost 100 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691763\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691763\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-1920x2560.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-960x1280.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-240x320.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-375x500.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-520x693.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Executive Banquet Chef at the Palace Hotel, Juan Rojas, with freshly made green goddess dressing. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>According to Roberts, the original recipe was heavy on the mayonnaise, and was served on a canned artichoke, considered a luxury in those days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691764\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691764\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-800x620.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"620\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-800x620.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-160x124.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-1020x791.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-1200x930.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-1180x915.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-960x744.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-240x186.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-375x291.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-520x403.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut.jpg 1433w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Green goddess dressing was invented at the Palace Hotel in 1923. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Renee Roberts)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Today, the Palace Hotel has lightened the dressing with olive oil. And there are no canned vegetables in sight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691772\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691772\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Green Goddess Dressing as it is served today at the Palace Hotel’s Garden Court. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Renee Roberts)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>So what about the dressing’s namesake? What exactly was the green goddess?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is where things get complicated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the play finished, two film versions of “The Green Goddess” were made. And in them, Arliss — a white British actor — starred as an Indian maharajah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691806\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691806\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-800x672.jpg\" alt=\"British actor George Arliss starred in the play and film versions of 'The Green Goddess.'\" width=\"800\" height=\"672\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-800x672.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-160x134.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-1020x857.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-1200x1008.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-1180x991.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-960x807.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-240x202.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-375x315.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-520x437.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">British actor George Arliss starred in the play and film versions of ‘The Green Goddess.’ \u003ccite>(Flickr: National Library NZ on The Commons)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>All of the other actors were white too. They faked horrendous Indian accents. The film portrayed some of them as savages running around in afros, waving swords.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the green goddess? She was a made-up deity in a bad Hollywood version of a Hindu temple.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hldKQSUpgg\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s honestly kind of a blow to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I love this dressing. I grew up thinking of it as hippie salad dressing, seeing it in the health food store, throwing it on my salads with sunflower seeds and carrots.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But my family is Hindu, my dad is from India. And this racist movie from nearly 100 years ago is straight-up worse than Apu on the Simpsons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sometimes digging into California food history isn’t so savory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But green goddess is a California classic because of the things that make it so Californian: the fresh herbs, an obsession with a Hollywood celebrity, and simply how good it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’m still trying to work through the fact that something so seemingly innocent as salad dressing can carry baggage when my salad arrives: a big mountain of crab on a bed of shaved zucchini on one side of the plate, some greens on the other and a gravy boat full of electric green dressing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691773\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691773\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-240x180.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-375x281.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Palace Signature Salad comes with crab and green goddess dressing on the side. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It’s hard to deny: the dressing is really good, despite the problematic origins of its name.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Borrman and Roberts describe it is as being “so Californian.” And they’re right: the dressing is clean and bright. It’s herbaceous and tangy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But you don’t need to spend $40 on a salad at the Palace Hotel to try Green Goddess Dressing. You can find it pretty much anywhere at any supermarket, or make it yourself:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The Palace Green Goddess Dressing:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>2 bunches of Italian flat leaf parsley (finely chopped)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>2 bunches fresh chervil (finely chopped)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>5 bunches tarragon (finely chopped)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>5 cups fresh spinach\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/2 bottle chopped capers\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/4 bottle Worcestershire sauce\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/2 cup chopped garlic\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/4 cup shopped shallots\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1 tbsp. sugar\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>6 anchovies\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>3 cups tarragon vinegar\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/2 cup Dijon mustard\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>3 egg yolks\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>6 cups corn oil\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Preparation:\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nCombine all ingredients (except oil) in a blender or in a container using an immersion blender. Blend on high until smooth. While blending, slowly drizzle oil into mixture. Keep drizzling until oil is gone, then season with salt and pepper to taste. This recipe is for a one gallon batch of dressing. Can be stored in refrigerator for up to 10 days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousquestion]\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Silver didn’t come asking this question without a few foods in mind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was watching one of those Food Network TV shows, and they were talking about green goddess dressing. It was like this vibrant green dressing that you would put on salad or chicken or meats of different kinds. What is green goddess dressing and is it from San Francisco?”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>The Green Goddess Story\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class=\"utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__dropcapShortcode__dropcap\">T\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>he Palace Hotel in downtown San Francisco is historically notable in a number of ways, including as a place where a \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/105407/death-of-a-president-san-francisco-style\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">sitting president of the United States died\u003c/a>. It’s also the birthplace of a famous California recipe: green goddess dressing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You’ve likely seen the dressing on the shelves at the grocery store, but you may not know the story behind the condiment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two people who \u003cem>do\u003c/em> know a lot about green goddess dressing are Renee Roberts, who’s worked with the Palace Hotel for more than 20 years, and Laura Borrman, author of the new book \u003ca href=\"https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/Products/9781625859587\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">“Iconic San Francisco Dishes, Drinks & Desserts.”\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I met Roberts and Borrman at the palace’s Garden Court restaurant to try some of the famous dressing at its birthplace.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691796\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691796\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-240x180.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-375x281.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32620_0E324908-3861-4EE3-AABF-2CF8D737D239-qut-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Garden Court at the Palace Hotel. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“Sitting here makes you feel sort of automatically connected to history,” says Borrman. “I think about all of the other people who have sat at these tables.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roberts agrees: “There’s a lot of history here… A lot of people have been through these doors.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This hotel, back in its day, was a place where lots of well-known and wealthy people stayed, like opera star \u003ca href=\"https://www.britannica.com/biography/Luisa-Tetrazzini\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Luisa Tetrazzini\u003c/a>. The hotel claims to have invented \u003ca href=\"https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/37784/easy-turkey-tetrazzini/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">turkey tetrazzini\u003c/a>, named after her.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691797\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691797\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-800x1002.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1002\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-800x1002.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-160x200.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-1020x1278.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-958x1200.jpg 958w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-1180x1478.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-960x1203.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-240x301.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-375x470.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32761_Luisa_Tetrazzini_1910-1915-qut-520x651.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Luisa Tetrazzini was a famous opera singer who stayed at the Palace Hotel. \u003ccite>(Wikimedia Commons: Bain News Service, publisher Library of Congress)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Likewise, green goddess dressing was inspired by another star guest: George Arliss.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arliss was the lead actor in the 1920s play, “The Green Goddess.” While he was staying at the Palace Hotel for a performance, Head Chef Phillip Roemer created the special dressing to be served on the starter salad — and the rest is history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It is a favorite,” Roberts says. “There was a point when someone thought they could change it and took it off the menu. It lasted for like a day.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We can’t ignore how there’s something really enchanting about the phrase ‘The Green Goddess,'” says Bormann, who loves the dressing so much, she served it at her wedding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you wear a green dress to work, everybody’s calling you the green goddess,” Roberts laughs. “It’s just kind of a thing around here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So how do you make green goddess dressing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the kitchen, Executive Banquet Chef Juan Rojas throws all the ingredients in a blender: ice, pasteurized eggs, whole grain mustard, shallots, capers, chives, spinach, fresh tarragon, chopped parsley, tarragon vinaigrette, salt and pepper, some olive oil and lemon juice.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The result is a tangy, bright green dressing that is a far cry from the original invented in this kitchen almost 100 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691763\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691763\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-800x1067.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-800x1067.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-160x213.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-1020x1360.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-900x1200.jpg 900w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-1920x2560.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-1180x1573.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-960x1280.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-240x320.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-375x500.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32607_alt_780-520x693.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Executive Banquet Chef at the Palace Hotel, Juan Rojas, with freshly made green goddess dressing. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>According to Roberts, the original recipe was heavy on the mayonnaise, and was served on a canned artichoke, considered a luxury in those days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691764\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691764\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-800x620.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"620\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-800x620.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-160x124.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-1020x791.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-1200x930.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-1180x915.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-960x744.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-240x186.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-375x291.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut-520x403.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32760_GreenGoddessSalad-qut.jpg 1433w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Green goddess dressing was invented at the Palace Hotel in 1923. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Renee Roberts)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Today, the Palace Hotel has lightened the dressing with olive oil. And there are no canned vegetables in sight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691772\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691772\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32759_Palace-Green-Goddess-Dressing-2-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Green Goddess Dressing as it is served today at the Palace Hotel’s Garden Court. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Renee Roberts)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>So what about the dressing’s namesake? What exactly was the green goddess?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is where things get complicated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the play finished, two film versions of “The Green Goddess” were made. And in them, Arliss — a white British actor — starred as an Indian maharajah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691806\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691806\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-800x672.jpg\" alt=\"British actor George Arliss starred in the play and film versions of 'The Green Goddess.'\" width=\"800\" height=\"672\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-800x672.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-160x134.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-1020x857.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-1200x1008.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-1180x991.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-960x807.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-240x202.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-375x315.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32764_Screening_at_a_country_town_1931_6297430030-qut-520x437.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">British actor George Arliss starred in the play and film versions of ‘The Green Goddess.’ \u003ccite>(Flickr: National Library NZ on The Commons)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>All of the other actors were white too. They faked horrendous Indian accents. The film portrayed some of them as savages running around in afros, waving swords.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And the green goddess? She was a made-up deity in a bad Hollywood version of a Hindu temple.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/2hldKQSUpgg'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/2hldKQSUpgg'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>It’s honestly kind of a blow to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I love this dressing. I grew up thinking of it as hippie salad dressing, seeing it in the health food store, throwing it on my salads with sunflower seeds and carrots.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But my family is Hindu, my dad is from India. And this racist movie from nearly 100 years ago is straight-up worse than Apu on the Simpsons.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sometimes digging into California food history isn’t so savory.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But green goddess is a California classic because of the things that make it so Californian: the fresh herbs, an obsession with a Hollywood celebrity, and simply how good it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I’m still trying to work through the fact that something so seemingly innocent as salad dressing can carry baggage when my salad arrives: a big mountain of crab on a bed of shaved zucchini on one side of the plate, some greens on the other and a gravy boat full of electric green dressing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11691773\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11691773\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-240x180.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-375x281.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS32615_93004DA1-C92F-48DF-8742-F5D599410B79-qut-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Palace Signature Salad comes with crab and green goddess dressing on the side. \u003ccite>(Sasha Khokha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It’s hard to deny: the dressing is really good, despite the problematic origins of its name.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Both Borrman and Roberts describe it is as being “so Californian.” And they’re right: the dressing is clean and bright. It’s herbaceous and tangy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But you don’t need to spend $40 on a salad at the Palace Hotel to try Green Goddess Dressing. You can find it pretty much anywhere at any supermarket, or make it yourself:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The Palace Green Goddess Dressing:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>2 bunches of Italian flat leaf parsley (finely chopped)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>2 bunches fresh chervil (finely chopped)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>5 bunches tarragon (finely chopped)\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>5 cups fresh spinach\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/2 bottle chopped capers\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/4 bottle Worcestershire sauce\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/2 cup chopped garlic\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/4 cup shopped shallots\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1 tbsp. sugar\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>6 anchovies\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>3 cups tarragon vinegar\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>1/2 cup Dijon mustard\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>3 egg yolks\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>6 cups corn oil\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Preparation:\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>\nCombine all ingredients (except oil) in a blender or in a container using an immersion blender. Blend on high until smooth. While blending, slowly drizzle oil into mixture. Keep drizzling until oil is gone, then season with salt and pepper to taste. This recipe is for a one gallon batch of dressing. Can be stored in refrigerator for up to 10 days.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>This whole week, Bay Curious is exploring the 11 statewide propositions on the California ballot for a mini-series we’re calling “Bay Curious Prop Week.” Each day, we’re dropping episodes looking at what the propositions are and how they came to be on the ballot in the first place. If you want to learn more about what’s on your California ballot, check out KQED’s \u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/elections\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2018 Voter Guide\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’ll also be hosting a series of Facebook Live Q&As.\u003cbr />\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/146244569661530/\">Prop 5, Property Tax Transfer – 12 p.m., Oct. 17\u003c/a>\u003cbr />\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/1889420071352971/\">Prop 10, Rent Control – 12 p.m., Oct. 24\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You can replay our Q&A on \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/331161234107297/\"> Proposition 6, the gas tax repeal.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below is a lightly edited transcript of our episode on Proposition 10. If passed, it would repeal the Costa-Hawkins Rental Housing Act, which limits rent control across California.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr />\n\u003cp>OLIVIA ALLEN-PRICE: It might be the single biggest issue facing Californians…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Montage of news on cost of housing\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: I’m Olivia Allen-Price. In this episode for the Bay Curious Prop Week, we’re going to be hearing about rent control, the Costa-Hawkins Rental Housing Act and Prop 10. Here’s reporter Jessica Placzek\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JESSICA PLACZEK: Prop 10 wants to overturn Costa-Hawkins. But what is Costa-Hawkins? To understand that, we need to go back to 1995. It was the year that Brad Pitt won sexiest man alive, Amazon sold its first book and one of my favorite Mariah Carey songs topped the charts…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>“Fantasy” by Mariah Carey plays\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: But we’re here to talk about housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: At the time, the state was recovering from a housing slump and construction of new housing had slowed down. That’s when two politicians decided to try to curb rent control. The politicians were Democratic Senator Jim Costa and Republican Assembly Member Phil Hawkins. Together they drafted the Costa-Hawkins Rental Housing Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MATT LEVIN: And it passed by one vote. That shapes rent control policy across California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: This is Matt Levin, a data reporter for CalMatters and co-host of the housing podcast, “Gimme Shelter.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: Now, Costa-Hawkins limits rent control in a few big ways. For example, it barred rent control on most single family homes and condos. So most of the suburbs can’t have rent control. It also barred rent control on new buildings. So if a building was constructed after the law took effect, that building cannot have rent control on it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: You can’t impose rent control on properties that were built after 1995.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: The thing is, before Costa-Hawkins was passed, about a dozen cities already had rent control laws. And some had their own cutoff dates that had been established earlier. Those dates were frozen by Costa-Hawkins. So in Oakland, the cutoff is in 1983. Berkeley in 1980. While in San Jose and San Francisco, nothing built after 1979 can have rent control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: And so anything new and nice looking in San Francisco is not going to have rent control on it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: Another thing Costa-Hawkins changed: it eliminated vacancy control, which ties rent control to the apartment instead of the tenant. With Costa-Hawkins, we have vacancy decontrol, which means if a tenant moves out of a rent controlled apartment, landlords can raise the rent as high as they please.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: I see old apartments all the time. They’re total pieces of crap, and they’re charging like a bazillion dollars, right? But once you get into that apartment, they’re limited in how much more they can raise it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: Today, only 15 cities have rent control in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: It’s really the bigger cities, so L.A., San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: But because of Costa-Hawkins, many units in those cities are barred from having rent control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: In California, more than one in five households pays over half its income on housing. People are looking for ways to ease housing costs and some are looking toward rent control. This actually won’t be the first attempt to overturn Costa-Hawkins. Earlier this year, a bill went before state legislators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ASSEMBLYMAN DAVID CHIU: This bill required 4 votes to get out of this committee, at this time there are 3, so AB 1506 fails passage today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: It didn’t get too far.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Audience boos\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[2018-prop prop=10]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Ok, so now that you understand Costa-Hawkins, we can talk about Prop 10, which would upend that legislation. Here to talk about it with me is Guy Marzorati of the KQED Politics and Government Desk. Hey, Guy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GUY MARZORATI: Hey!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So walk us through Prop 10, what are we voting on?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: I think it’s easy to look at this as a measure all about rent control. I think it’s largely about local control. This is taking something, rent control, that’s been dominated by state laws over the last couple of decades, and it would turn it over to individual cities and counties in California and say, “if Proposition 10 passes, what do you want to do about rent control? How would you like to govern the prices of rent within your city or within your county?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So what does the prop actually say?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: It’s repealing Costa-Hawkins and taking us back to the time before that law when cities could implement their own rent control laws on an individual basis. And so you had some places like San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland that already had rent control on the books before Costa-Hawkins. But you had the vast majority of California cities without any rent control laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So if this passes and Costa-Hawkins is overturned, what does it actually mean? Like what happens the next day? Do we suddenly have rent control everywhere?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: No, you don’t. There would be some cities that had certain pieces of their rent control that were explicitly outlawed by Costa-Hawkins. If Costa-Hawkins goes away, they can have vacancy control once again. But for the vast majority of cities nothing would change the day after the election or once the elections are certified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So it’s not like we’re going to have a flood of rent control laws suddenly coming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Absolutely not. I think here in the Bay Area there’s really just been one city, Berkeley, that’s put forward a measure saying if Proposition 10 passes here’s exactly how we would change or how we would expand our rent control laws. They want to introduce rent control on a rolling basis for buildings. So as buildings hit their 20th birthday, they age into rent control. But for most cities they haven’t figured that out. And I think what you’re going to see is a lot of long public comment lines at local supervisor committees, city council committees, as cities possibly take rent control up after a possible post-Prop 10 future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: And, in a nutshell, what would this mean for renters in California and what would this mean for landlords?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: So I think there’s limited actual research on what rent control does. And like every housing thing, it doesn’t happen in a vacuum. You have all of these other housing laws intersecting with it. I think broadly speaking, the research has shown that if you are a current renter, rent control helps you stay in your unit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: If you have rent control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: If you have rent control. And that’s particularly true if you’re a senior citizen and you may be on a fixed income. Rent control can help stabilize the amount that you’re paying out for rent and it can help you remain in a unit. On the flip side, the evidence shows that it is a disincentive to actually build housing. If a developer is limited in the amount that they can make off of a rental unit, well, maybe they’re not going to build rental units, maybe they’ll just build condominiums or apartments for sale. And as we know, California has a huge shortage of actual housing units. So that’s the fear. If you take away this incentive for development then we’re going to worsen our shortage of units.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: There have been a lot of rent control measures that have been on the ballots, on local ballots around the Bay Area, and I think predominantly those have not passed. Why is that and do you think that trend will hold for this statewide prop?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Well I think the political reality is that landlords are well organized in the state. The Apartment Association has well funded campaigns. They’re very politically active. And so in the past you’ve seen some mixed success on local ballots in terms of rent control. Although there have also been recent rent control victories in Mountain View and other places.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: So it’s hard to say local measures haven’t done as well and predicate failure for this measure. I think there’s just a groundswell of energy around this idea of rent control because it’s really easy to sell, to just say “the rent is too darn high.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: You can say damn, it’s a podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriousbug]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Too damn high! We need some kind of solution. All that said, the political reality is California is at an all time low of home-ownership rates. We know homeowners are usually more politically active, and renters by nature are more transient. So I think that’s a harder demographic to capture politically.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So you mentioned who is supporting this prop. Who is against it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: As you’d expect, developers are against it. They see this as a huge cut into their business. If local jurisdictions start to limit the amount that they can charge on rents, well then how are they going to finance these rental buildings? And maybe they’re just going to go and build market rate units and condos. Developers also fear that this would create a patchwork of different rules. I think one thing they like about Costa-Hawkins is that it’s a state mandate. It governs this huge market that they develop in. If all of a sudden every individual city has their own rent control laws, that can make business harder for them. So developers have been financially the biggest opponents of Prop 10.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: All right, well it’s going to be interesting to see how voters respond to this one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Yes, will be interesting to see.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Guy Mazorati with the KQED Politics and Government Desk. Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Theme music\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: If you want to know more about the Costa-Hawkins Rental Housing Act, or Proposition 10, Guy will be taking your questions in a Facebook Live on Oct. 24. You can go ahead and RSVP ahead of time so you’ll get a handy reminder when it rolls around. Get all the details at BayCurious.org.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: This episode was produced by Jessica Placzek.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: That’s it for Bay Curious Prop Week! Thanks so much for listening along. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>This whole week, Bay Curious is exploring the 11 statewide propositions on the California ballot for a mini-series we’re calling “Bay Curious Prop Week.” Each day, we’re dropping episodes looking at what the propositions are and how they came to be on the ballot in the first place. If you want to learn more about what’s on your California ballot, check out KQED’s \u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/elections\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2018 Voter Guide\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’ll also be hosting a series of Facebook Live Q&As.\u003cbr />\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/146244569661530/\">Prop 5, Property Tax Transfer – 12 p.m., Oct. 17\u003c/a>\u003cbr />\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/1889420071352971/\">Prop 10, Rent Control – 12 p.m., Oct. 24\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You can replay our Q&A on \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/331161234107297/\"> Proposition 6, the gas tax repeal.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below is a lightly edited transcript of our episode on Proposition 10. If passed, it would repeal the Costa-Hawkins Rental Housing Act, which limits rent control across California.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr />\n\u003cp>OLIVIA ALLEN-PRICE: It might be the single biggest issue facing Californians…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Montage of news on cost of housing\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: I’m Olivia Allen-Price. In this episode for the Bay Curious Prop Week, we’re going to be hearing about rent control, the Costa-Hawkins Rental Housing Act and Prop 10. Here’s reporter Jessica Placzek\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JESSICA PLACZEK: Prop 10 wants to overturn Costa-Hawkins. But what is Costa-Hawkins? To understand that, we need to go back to 1995. It was the year that Brad Pitt won sexiest man alive, Amazon sold its first book and one of my favorite Mariah Carey songs topped the charts…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>“Fantasy” by Mariah Carey plays\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: But we’re here to talk about housing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: At the time, the state was recovering from a housing slump and construction of new housing had slowed down. That’s when two politicians decided to try to curb rent control. The politicians were Democratic Senator Jim Costa and Republican Assembly Member Phil Hawkins. Together they drafted the Costa-Hawkins Rental Housing Act.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MATT LEVIN: And it passed by one vote. That shapes rent control policy across California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: This is Matt Levin, a data reporter for CalMatters and co-host of the housing podcast, “Gimme Shelter.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: Now, Costa-Hawkins limits rent control in a few big ways. For example, it barred rent control on most single family homes and condos. So most of the suburbs can’t have rent control. It also barred rent control on new buildings. So if a building was constructed after the law took effect, that building cannot have rent control on it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: You can’t impose rent control on properties that were built after 1995.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: The thing is, before Costa-Hawkins was passed, about a dozen cities already had rent control laws. And some had their own cutoff dates that had been established earlier. Those dates were frozen by Costa-Hawkins. So in Oakland, the cutoff is in 1983. Berkeley in 1980. While in San Jose and San Francisco, nothing built after 1979 can have rent control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: And so anything new and nice looking in San Francisco is not going to have rent control on it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: Another thing Costa-Hawkins changed: it eliminated vacancy control, which ties rent control to the apartment instead of the tenant. With Costa-Hawkins, we have vacancy decontrol, which means if a tenant moves out of a rent controlled apartment, landlords can raise the rent as high as they please.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: I see old apartments all the time. They’re total pieces of crap, and they’re charging like a bazillion dollars, right? But once you get into that apartment, they’re limited in how much more they can raise it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: Today, only 15 cities have rent control in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LEVIN: It’s really the bigger cities, so L.A., San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: But because of Costa-Hawkins, many units in those cities are barred from having rent control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: In California, more than one in five households pays over half its income on housing. People are looking for ways to ease housing costs and some are looking toward rent control. This actually won’t be the first attempt to overturn Costa-Hawkins. Earlier this year, a bill went before state legislators.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ASSEMBLYMAN DAVID CHIU: This bill required 4 votes to get out of this committee, at this time there are 3, so AB 1506 fails passage today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>PLACZEK: It didn’t get too far.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Audience boos\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Ok, so now that you understand Costa-Hawkins, we can talk about Prop 10, which would upend that legislation. Here to talk about it with me is Guy Marzorati of the KQED Politics and Government Desk. Hey, Guy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GUY MARZORATI: Hey!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So walk us through Prop 10, what are we voting on?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: I think it’s easy to look at this as a measure all about rent control. I think it’s largely about local control. This is taking something, rent control, that’s been dominated by state laws over the last couple of decades, and it would turn it over to individual cities and counties in California and say, “if Proposition 10 passes, what do you want to do about rent control? How would you like to govern the prices of rent within your city or within your county?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So what does the prop actually say?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: It’s repealing Costa-Hawkins and taking us back to the time before that law when cities could implement their own rent control laws on an individual basis. And so you had some places like San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland that already had rent control on the books before Costa-Hawkins. But you had the vast majority of California cities without any rent control laws.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So if this passes and Costa-Hawkins is overturned, what does it actually mean? Like what happens the next day? Do we suddenly have rent control everywhere?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: No, you don’t. There would be some cities that had certain pieces of their rent control that were explicitly outlawed by Costa-Hawkins. If Costa-Hawkins goes away, they can have vacancy control once again. But for the vast majority of cities nothing would change the day after the election or once the elections are certified.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So it’s not like we’re going to have a flood of rent control laws suddenly coming.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Absolutely not. I think here in the Bay Area there’s really just been one city, Berkeley, that’s put forward a measure saying if Proposition 10 passes here’s exactly how we would change or how we would expand our rent control laws. They want to introduce rent control on a rolling basis for buildings. So as buildings hit their 20th birthday, they age into rent control. But for most cities they haven’t figured that out. And I think what you’re going to see is a lot of long public comment lines at local supervisor committees, city council committees, as cities possibly take rent control up after a possible post-Prop 10 future.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: And, in a nutshell, what would this mean for renters in California and what would this mean for landlords?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: So I think there’s limited actual research on what rent control does. And like every housing thing, it doesn’t happen in a vacuum. You have all of these other housing laws intersecting with it. I think broadly speaking, the research has shown that if you are a current renter, rent control helps you stay in your unit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: If you have rent control.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: If you have rent control. And that’s particularly true if you’re a senior citizen and you may be on a fixed income. Rent control can help stabilize the amount that you’re paying out for rent and it can help you remain in a unit. On the flip side, the evidence shows that it is a disincentive to actually build housing. If a developer is limited in the amount that they can make off of a rental unit, well, maybe they’re not going to build rental units, maybe they’ll just build condominiums or apartments for sale. And as we know, California has a huge shortage of actual housing units. So that’s the fear. If you take away this incentive for development then we’re going to worsen our shortage of units.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: There have been a lot of rent control measures that have been on the ballots, on local ballots around the Bay Area, and I think predominantly those have not passed. Why is that and do you think that trend will hold for this statewide prop?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Well I think the political reality is that landlords are well organized in the state. The Apartment Association has well funded campaigns. They’re very politically active. And so in the past you’ve seen some mixed success on local ballots in terms of rent control. Although there have also been recent rent control victories in Mountain View and other places.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: So it’s hard to say local measures haven’t done as well and predicate failure for this measure. I think there’s just a groundswell of energy around this idea of rent control because it’s really easy to sell, to just say “the rent is too darn high.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: You can say damn, it’s a podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n What do you wonder about the Bay Area, its culture or people that you want KQED to investigate?\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Ask Bay Curious.\u003c/a>\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: Too damn high! We need some kind of solution. All that said, the political reality is California is at an all time low of home-ownership rates. We know homeowners are usually more politically active, and renters by nature are more transient. So I think that’s a harder demographic to capture politically.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So you mentioned who is supporting this prop. Who is against it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARZORATI: As you’d expect, developers are against it. They see this as a huge cut into their business. If local jurisdictions start to limit the amount that they can charge on rents, well then how are they going to finance these rental buildings? And maybe they’re just going to go and build market rate units and condos. Developers also fear that this would create a patchwork of different rules. I think one thing they like about Costa-Hawkins is that it’s a state mandate. It governs this huge market that they develop in. If all of a sudden every individual city has their own rent control laws, that can make business harder for them. 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If you’re just tuning in, all week we’ve been breaking down the 11 statewide initiatives on this November’s ballot. Today, we’ll look at the three health-related props. They’re easy to overlook but could have a big impact on you or someone you love. Stick around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Theme music \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: All righty. Let’s dive in. The three props we’ll get to today are Proposition 11…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VOICE OVER: Should EMTs and paramedics be allowed to take off-duty breaks?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Proposition 4…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VOICE OVER: Should California issue bonds to help with improvements at children’s hospitals?\u003cbr>\n[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003cbr>\nALLEN-PRICE: And Proposition 8…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VOICE OVER: Should the state cap how much profit dialysis clinics can make?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: First up on today’s tour is Prop 11. 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And they said, “Hey, if I have to be on duty, I’m not actually on break.” And the Supreme Court agreed with them, said yep, when you look at California’s labor code, if you want to have a break, you have to actually be off duty. And so the ambulance industry looked at this and they thought, “Oh no, this is going to apply to us, too.” And so they said we don’t want to do that. We’re going to have this proposition instead to try to carve out a law that is specifically for paramedics and EMTs to just continue doing their job the way they always have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So this is really a preemptive proposition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: Sort of because there were actually negotiations in the Legislature between ambulance companies and the unions who represent EMTs and paramedics. They tried to address this head on, and negotiations between those two parties broke down, and that’s why the ambulance industry then put Proposition 11 on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So ambulance drivers and workers, what’s their take on this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: The ambulance staff, for the most part, says totally, we don’t want anybody getting hurt. If I’m on my lunch break and there’s a kid choking a couple blocks down the street…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>BROLLINI: We are going to go to that call. 100 percent of the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: But at the same time, they’re saying we work these 12-hour shifts. 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And so when you start looking at cutting into those profit margins, you have these companies deciding whether or not it’s worth it for them to continue providing this service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So in a nutshell, a yes vote on Prop 11 would mean you think EMTs and paramedics should stay on call during their breaks. A no vote means in your eyes, ambulance companies should follow the same labor laws as everybody else. Next up is Proposition 4, one of the four bonds on the ballot this year. Now a bond is basically an IOU. The state sells a piece of paper that says if you give us the money we need now, we promise to pay you back later with interest. It’s a quick way for governments to get cash for big projects, and it’s a pretty safe investment for the people buying the bonds, too. Health reporter Laura Klivans explains what this bond, Proposition 4, would do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[2018-prop prop=4]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LAURA KLIVANS: So this proposition is about the state being able to sell $1.5 billion in bonds so that they can use that to fund infrastructure improvements for children’s hospitals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: The money from this bond will be used for capital improvements — essentially fixing up hospital buildings. Right now, a lot of hospitals are in the process of making seismic updates. These are required by the state to make their buildings safer in the event of an earthquake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: The majority of the money will go to private nonprofit children’s hospitals. About 70 percent of it will. And then a good portion of it, about 18 percent, goes to the UC children’s hospitals and then other hospitals will get some of it too. 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The three props we’ll get to today are Proposition 11…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VOICE OVER: Should EMTs and paramedics be allowed to take off-duty breaks?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Proposition 4…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VOICE OVER: Should California issue bonds to help with improvements at children’s hospitals?\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Bay Curious\u003c/a> is a podcast that answers your questions about the Bay Area.\n Subscribe on \u003ca href=\"https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bay-curious/id1172473406\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Apple Podcasts\u003c/a>,\n \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NPR One\u003c/a> or your favorite podcast platform.\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cbr>\nALLEN-PRICE: And Proposition 8…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VOICE OVER: Should the state cap how much profit dialysis clinics can make?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: First up on today’s tour is Prop 11. I headed to the newsroom and asked health reporter April Dembosky to let us know what it’s all about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>APRIL DEMBOSKY: Prop 11 asks voters to decide if EMTs and paramedics — the people who work on ambulances — should be allowed to take uninterrupted off-duty breaks. So when they take a rest break or go out on their lunch break, are they allowed to turn off their pagers and radios so they can get a true break.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Now this is one of those props that is so specific and kind of in the weeds that it makes me think that there must be a story behind it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: You are absolutely right. So here’s the status quo of how it works for ambulance drivers. They are on a 12-hour shift. You know, they’re responding to emergencies. Maybe they have a lull. They drive up to McDonald’s or Starbucks to take a break.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JASON BROLLINI: If I’m lucky, I can sit for 30 minutes and get a meal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: This is Jason Brollini. He leads one of the main ambulance drivers unions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>BROLLINI: What a more common experience is, we order our food, and we’re interrupted at some point. Sometimes those interruptions are for true emergencies, but sometimes they’re not. Sometimes they’re non-emergency calls where there isn’t a life-threatening incident that needs to be mitigated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: This is the way it’s been working in California for many, many years. But in 2016, there was a court case in California, and it was actually on behalf of security guards. Security guards also have to be on duty while they take breaks. And they said, “Hey, if I have to be on duty, I’m not actually on break.” And the Supreme Court agreed with them, said yep, when you look at California’s labor code, if you want to have a break, you have to actually be off duty. And so the ambulance industry looked at this and they thought, “Oh no, this is going to apply to us, too.” And so they said we don’t want to do that. We’re going to have this proposition instead to try to carve out a law that is specifically for paramedics and EMTs to just continue doing their job the way they always have.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So this is really a preemptive proposition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: Sort of because there were actually negotiations in the Legislature between ambulance companies and the unions who represent EMTs and paramedics. They tried to address this head on, and negotiations between those two parties broke down, and that’s why the ambulance industry then put Proposition 11 on the ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So ambulance drivers and workers, what’s their take on this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: The ambulance staff, for the most part, says totally, we don’t want anybody getting hurt. If I’m on my lunch break and there’s a kid choking a couple blocks down the street…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>BROLLINI: We are going to go to that call. 100 percent of the time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: But at the same time, they’re saying we work these 12-hour shifts. Sometimes work is so busy that it’s six or seven hours before I get to take a lunch break.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>BROLLINI: Starting to get dizzy and lightheaded because my blood sugar is low.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: Not only that, I just responded to this really stressful call, like, I could really use a few minutes to just decompress, get back to my baseline, eat some food. And so they want the workers to be at the top of their game.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: You know, why is the ambulance industry different from any other industry where people are entitled to a break? What makes them kind of unique here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: Well it’s definitely the public safety issue, you know.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: While it is \u003cem>public\u003c/em> safety, about 75 percent of California’s 911 calls are answered by \u003cem>private\u003c/em> companies. Carol Meyer works for McCormick Ambulance Service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CAROL MEYER: There is an individual who has a heart attack, and we can’t call that vehicle, we have to call the next vehicle that is available and not on a break. And minutes make a big difference when it’s life and death.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: Most ambulance companies have contracts with the counties where they work. You know, part of what they’re concerned about is that if you have one or two ambulances from your fleet that are just totally out of service, that could compromise how well and how quickly you can respond to those calls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MEYER: Having those vehicles available so that if something happens they can be called is critical.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEMBOSKY: So there’s a serious public safety issue, but it really does come down to money, and the Legislative Analyst’s Office estimated costs could go up 25 percent in order to have just enough extra ambulances on the road to cover people. And so when you start looking at cutting into those profit margins, you have these companies deciding whether or not it’s worth it for them to continue providing this service.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So in a nutshell, a yes vote on Prop 11 would mean you think EMTs and paramedics should stay on call during their breaks. A no vote means in your eyes, ambulance companies should follow the same labor laws as everybody else. Next up is Proposition 4, one of the four bonds on the ballot this year. Now a bond is basically an IOU. The state sells a piece of paper that says if you give us the money we need now, we promise to pay you back later with interest. It’s a quick way for governments to get cash for big projects, and it’s a pretty safe investment for the people buying the bonds, too. Health reporter Laura Klivans explains what this bond, Proposition 4, would do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LAURA KLIVANS: So this proposition is about the state being able to sell $1.5 billion in bonds so that they can use that to fund infrastructure improvements for children’s hospitals.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: The money from this bond will be used for capital improvements — essentially fixing up hospital buildings. Right now, a lot of hospitals are in the process of making seismic updates. These are required by the state to make their buildings safer in the event of an earthquake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: The majority of the money will go to private nonprofit children’s hospitals. About 70 percent of it will. And then a good portion of it, about 18 percent, goes to the UC children’s hospitals and then other hospitals will get some of it too. And those are hospitals that will have, like, a children’s wing or a specific children’s program.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Laura talked to Ann-Louise Kuhns, the president of the California Children’s Hospital Association. She says for an example of where this money could go locally, look to Children’s Hospital Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ANN-LOUISE KUHNS: You know, they provide some of the most specialized care for some of the most medically fragile kids in the state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: They have a sickle cell program, and it’s one of two in the state. And they see about 700 patients a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KUHNS: And most of those patients are covered by Medi-Cal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: Which is a program for low-income families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KUHNS: Just the operational costs of running that center… just to run it the hospital loses about $3.5 million every year because what they receive from Medi-Cal isn’t sufficient to cover their costs.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: And part of the space that they use for that program is using buildings and facilities that are over 100 years old.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KUHNS: So they need to make infrastructure improvements. They need to modernize their pediatric intensive care unit and as well as their neonatal intensive care unit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: So that’s what this bond would do. It would upgrade, like, the sickle cell wing at Children’s Hospital Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So this is not exactly like a new bond initiative. We’ve seen similar bonds in 2004 and 2008 for children’s hospitals. Why is this a thing that just keeps coming onto our ballot?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: Great question. I also was curious about that, so I asked the folks behind the proposition, and they think that, no, we’re going to meet seismic requirements and then it’s going to be a while before we need any kind of money for infrastructure again like this.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003caside class=\"alignleft utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__bayCuriousPodcastShortcode__bayCurious\">\u003cimg src=https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/bayCuriousLogo.png alt=\"Bay Curious Podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" />\n What do you wonder about the Bay Area, its culture or people that you want KQED to investigate?\n \u003ca href=\"/news/series/baycurious\">Ask Bay Curious.\u003c/a>\u003c/aside>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cbr>\nALLEN-PRICE: Is anyone against this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KLIVANS: I think people who would be against this are folks that realize that bonds come from somewhere. It’s not just free money. They need to be repaid. They need to be repaid with interest. And how is this money held accountable?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: You are a yes on Prop 4 if you think the state should use bonds to help to fund improvements at children’s hospitals. And you’re a no if you think they should find that money some other way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Music\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: All righty. Last up we arrive at Proposition 8. It’s about reimbursement payouts from dialysis clinics. If that sounds super wonky to you, it’s because it is. But if passed, it would be groundbreaking regulation in the health care industry. People across the country are watching this one. I dropped in on health editor Carrie Feibel to learn more about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CARRIE FEIBEL: Hi, Olivia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: How’s it going?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FEIBEL: Well, thanks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Could you start by telling us what is dialysis and who uses it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FEIBEL: So dialysis is basically a machine that replaces your kidney, and for people who have failing kidneys — and many of them are waiting for a kidney transplant that hopefully they’ll get but some of them don’t — but they can live many, many years getting dialysis. It just cleans their blood of all the toxins and other things that our kidneys are usually doing. But you need to get it three times a week, three-to-four hours each. Which means that there has to be dialysis clinics near where people live, and there’s almost 600 clinics across California. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>This whole week, Bay Curious is exploring the 11 statewide propositions on the California ballot for a mini-series we’re calling “Bay Curious Prop Week.” Each day, we’re dropping episodes looking at what the propositions are and how they came to be on the ballot in the first place. If you want to learn more about what’s on your California ballot, check out KQED’s \u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/elections\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2018 Voter Guide\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’ll also be hosting a series of Facebook Live Q&As.\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/331161234107297/\">Prop 6, Gas Tax – 12 p.m., Oct. 10 \u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/146244569661530/\">Prop 5, Property Tax Transfer – 12 p.m., Oct. 17\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/1889420071352971/\">Prop 10, Rent Control – 12 p.m., Oct. 24\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below is a lightly edited transcript of our episode on Proposition 5, which would give homeowners over 55, and a few others, the ability to take their low property tax rates with them to a new house. It is essentially an extension of Proposition 13, which was put into place 40 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>OLIVIA ALLEN-PRICE: I’m Olivia Allen-Price, and we’re on day three of Bay Curious Prop Week. Today, we’re digging in on Proposition 5.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SCOTT SHAFER: Proposition 5 would basically expand Prop 13.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Prop 13 passed 40 years ago and gives property owners low, low property tax rates with only tiny increases. And now with the state — and especially the Bay Area — in the middle of a housing crisis, voters are being asked to double down on Prop 13.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Problem is, it doesn’t really increase the housing stock.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Today, Erika Aguilar and the team at “The Bay” podcast will dig into the pros and cons of Prop 5. Stick around.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: So let’s start at the beginning. First of all tell me your name and a little bit about yourself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KENNETH WILKINS: Oh god.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Kenneth Wilkins is a longtime resident of North Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Scott Shafer is senior editor of the California Politics and Government Desk at KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Just spell your name for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: Kenneth. K-E-N-N-E-T-H.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: He’s been there… He was born basically in the area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: And so you moved here, you said ’86?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: 1976.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It’s a beautiful neighborhood. It’s very quiet… tree-lined streets, mostly single-family homes, a few larger apartment buildings. 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So that’s just representative of what the housing market looked like back then.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It’s not something he could find in the cushions of his couch. He had to get a loan. But nonetheless you get a sense of how much it’s gone up. Those houses now sell for three quarters of a million or more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: I never dreamed that a house would be sold for over a million in this neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: But they do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: But they do.\u003cbr>\n[2018-prop prop=5]\u003cbr>\nAGUILAR: I want to get into Proposition 5, but before we do that, I feel like we have to talk about Proposition 13. So can you tell me the story of how Proposition 13 became a California law?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Yeah, you have to go back to the late-to-mid-1970s. Jerry Brown was governor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: After two terms of Ronald Reagan’s conservatism, California voters, who elected Jerry Brown as governor last year, were expecting several changes in state policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: The cost of everything was going up quickly because inflation was high, and back then, local governments could raise the property taxes whenever they wanted to. And so if they needed to pay for something, they raised property taxes a little bit, and so people’s tax bills were going up as the value of their homes went up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: Inflation’s hit the standard of living particularly hard here and soaring property taxes have been a major factor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: People, especially seniors, on fixed incomes were having a hard time staying in their homes. And at the same time the state had a pretty big budget surplus. And so there was all this talk in Sacramento about, “Well gee, why don’t we give people a tax rebate?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: But that didn’t happen. So there was this frustration building.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HOWARD JARVIS: I am forming the American Tax Reduction Movement for the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: There were two guys, Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann, who became the spokespeople for this tax revolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: And the purpose of this amendment is, number one, to reduce the amount of money that government takes in in taxes because we think the only way you can cut spending is to not give them the money in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: What was the reaction to it? How popular was it back then?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It was really popular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: Proposition 13 caused what may be a record voter turnout.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: I mean this was a really overwhelming passage. It probably got about 65 percent of the vote in 1978.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JARVIS: We have proven that here in California, that we the people, not the politicians, are still the boss.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>REPORTER: A thunderous response from Howard Jarvis…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Proposition 13 did a few things. First, it taxed homes based on their 1976 values. Then for anyone buying a house after that, Prop 13 set the property tax rate at just 1 percent of home sales price. And it can only be increased by a maximum of 2 percent each year until the house is sold again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It has taken a lot of money away from schools. Those local property taxes are used to fund programs including education. I think when Prop 13 passed, California was near the top in per pupil spending. Now we’re more toward the bottom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Back to Ken. What does Proposition 13 mean for him? Like how does it affect him considering that there’s a lot of movement along his block?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Well, he’s clearly benefited from it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: And do you remember if you voted for it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: I think I did.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: His tax bill is, I don’t know exactly what it is, but it’s a lot less than somebody who lives next door and just bought the house and is paying taxes based on the market rate assessment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Can people move their low property tax rates around right now? Or does it just stick to the house or property that you own?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: If you’re 55 years or older or severely disabled, you can buy a home of the same or less value and take that with you to another county… if that county has agreed to accept that lower value.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: So not all counties are in on this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Not all counties. In fact, most counties are not, so just about 10 of the 58 counties in California have agreed to accept this lower tax rate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: So what problem is Proposition 5 trying to solve?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: If you talk to realtors or if you talk to seniors…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CLIP: California realtors have an important chance to protect California’s homeowners and extend much needed property tax protection to seniors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: They have these big homes that they’re rattling around in, and they really would like to downsize. The problem is they’ve got this great deal on their property tax because they’ve been there so long and so they know if they move and buy a market value home, their tax rate is going to go way up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CLIP: It will remove an unfair move-in penalty or property tax spike that prevents many seniors from selling their single family home in order to downsize or move closer to their children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: The argument here is that they will sell their big house, move to a smaller house and free up their bigger house for young families that want a three- or four-bedroom place. The problem of course is can a young family afford to buy that house?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Who has introduced Proposition 5? Like who backs it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LYNDA EISENMANN: Hi, my name is Lynda Eisenmann. I’m a broker, real estate broker in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: The California Association of Realtors — and their national association as well — have kicked in at least $7 million to collect the signatures to get it on the ballot and then presumably to spend some of that money to help get it passed. They have an interest in it. You know, if you sell a house you get a commission, so they like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>EISENMANN: It’s when people stay put that we have a more stagnant market in general.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: OK. Who’s on the other side? Like who is against Proposition 5?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Local governments are opposed to it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Tenants rights groups?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Tenants groups. Yeah. I mean all these groups, including education advocates, they’re afraid that schools are going to get less money. David Chiu is an assemblyman from San Francisco. He is a big opponent of Prop 5. He thinks it’s a big tax giveaway to people who don’t really need it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CHIU: Prop 5 is an enormous tax break for longtime wealthy property owners who get to pile on more tax breaks on top of what they already have. While renters and first-time home buyers continue to face higher home prices it does nothing to actually address the housing crisis, and it continues to exacerbate the income inequality that is unfortunately the story all over the state of California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: And the legislative analysts who analyzed this said it’s going to ultimately cost local governments about a billion dollars in lost revenue in the coming years if Prop 5 passes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Wow. So what does Ken think about Proposition 5? Does he think he’s going to vote for Proposition 5?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: You know he’s really thinking about it. He’s not sure. He clearly would benefit himself. On the other hand, he’s not in a big hurry to sell his house and move. In fact, he said “I’d like to be here till I’m 99 years old.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: In our case, I don’t think we will sell the property. We’ll pass it on to our grandkids and the grandkids’ kids and so forth. My daughter said, “No don’t sell it. Don’t sell it. When we get old enough, we won’t be able to buy a house.” Which pretty much came true, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: She was right. That said, I think he likes the idea of Prop 5, but also he’s very thoughtful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: I think it might affect the tax base for those other counties or cities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: You’re right. And what would that mean?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: Actually it would be something, I mean, to really think about before you voted against it or for it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Now Prop 5 is not the only housing-related prop on the ballot. The one getting the most attention is about expanding rent control, Prop 10. We’ll have a whole episode about that one on Friday. But there are a couple of other housing props we want to flag for you. First, Prop 1.\u003cbr>\n[2018-prop prop=1]\u003cbr>\nVOICE OVER: Should the state issue $4 billion in bonds to fund the construction of affordable housing?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Money from Prop 1 would be used to give out low-interest loans for multi-family housing projects. It would also be used to help veterans buy homes. This would give California more housing, but some people say the real barrier to building is bureaucratic red tape and this wouldn’t address that. The $4 billion bond would ultimately cost California taxpayers just short of $6 billion over the next 35 years. And then there’s Prop 2.\u003cbr>\n[2018-prop prop=2]\u003cbr>\nVOICE OVER: Should the state be allowed to use money intended for mental health services to pay for housing for homeless Californians?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Back in 2004, voters passed Prop 63 which raised taxes on millionaires to fund mental health services. Lawmakers want to use some of that money to pay for housing for people with mental illness. But it’s not clear if they can legally do that. Prop 2 clears everything up. It would allow the state to issue $2 billion in bonds to fund housing projects for people who are homeless and have mental illness. And it would let those bonds be paid back using tax revenues from Prop 63. The so-called housing first method has worked to curb homelessness elsewhere, but putting this money toward housing would mean there would be less going toward treatment and other services.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Theme music\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: I know we’ve thrown a lot at you today, so if you have more questions about any of this — especially Prop 5 — we’re having a Facebook Live where we can dig in even more. That’ll be on Wednesday, Oct. 17 at noon. You can RSVP ahead of time so you won’t miss it. Details at BayCurious.org. You can also check out KQED’s Voter Guide at kqed.org/elections.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Thanks to producer Jessica Placzek, politics editor Scott Shafer, and our friends at “The Bay” podcast: Erika Aguilar, Vinnee Tong and Devin Katayama. 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First of all tell me your name and a little bit about yourself.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KENNETH WILKINS: Oh god.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Kenneth Wilkins is a longtime resident of North Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Scott Shafer is senior editor of the California Politics and Government Desk at KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Just spell your name for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: Kenneth. K-E-N-N-E-T-H.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: He’s been there… He was born basically in the area.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: And so you moved here, you said ’86?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: 1976.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It’s a beautiful neighborhood. It’s very quiet… tree-lined streets, mostly single-family homes, a few larger apartment buildings. There’s a lot of construction going on.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: It seems like everyone who purchased a house, they are refurbishing it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: He was walking me down the street.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: This house was the Dickson’s here. And they were here when I came in 1976. And this one here, Mr. Armstrong — he helped us with some plumbing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: So he’s been on the block for 40 some years. How much was that house when he first bought it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Well, it was very funny. He pointed to a car, his car that was parked in front of the house. And he said…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: Actually it cost less than this car.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Is that right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: This car cost $21,000 I think. And it was less than that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It was like a Toyota. But it wasn’t a Tesla. It was like a beat up Toyota.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Wow. So that’s just representative of what the housing market looked like back then.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It’s not something he could find in the cushions of his couch. He had to get a loan. But nonetheless you get a sense of how much it’s gone up. Those houses now sell for three quarters of a million or more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: I never dreamed that a house would be sold for over a million in this neighborhood.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: But they do.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: But they do.\u003cbr>\n\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cbr>\nAGUILAR: I want to get into Proposition 5, but before we do that, I feel like we have to talk about Proposition 13. So can you tell me the story of how Proposition 13 became a California law?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Yeah, you have to go back to the late-to-mid-1970s. Jerry Brown was governor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: After two terms of Ronald Reagan’s conservatism, California voters, who elected Jerry Brown as governor last year, were expecting several changes in state policy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: The cost of everything was going up quickly because inflation was high, and back then, local governments could raise the property taxes whenever they wanted to. And so if they needed to pay for something, they raised property taxes a little bit, and so people’s tax bills were going up as the value of their homes went up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: Inflation’s hit the standard of living particularly hard here and soaring property taxes have been a major factor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: People, especially seniors, on fixed incomes were having a hard time staying in their homes. And at the same time the state had a pretty big budget surplus. And so there was all this talk in Sacramento about, “Well gee, why don’t we give people a tax rebate?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: But that didn’t happen. So there was this frustration building.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HOWARD JARVIS: I am forming the American Tax Reduction Movement for the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: There were two guys, Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann, who became the spokespeople for this tax revolution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: And the purpose of this amendment is, number one, to reduce the amount of money that government takes in in taxes because we think the only way you can cut spending is to not give them the money in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: What was the reaction to it? How popular was it back then?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It was really popular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NEWS CLIP: Proposition 13 caused what may be a record voter turnout.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: I mean this was a really overwhelming passage. It probably got about 65 percent of the vote in 1978.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>JARVIS: We have proven that here in California, that we the people, not the politicians, are still the boss.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>REPORTER: A thunderous response from Howard Jarvis…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Proposition 13 did a few things. First, it taxed homes based on their 1976 values. Then for anyone buying a house after that, Prop 13 set the property tax rate at just 1 percent of home sales price. And it can only be increased by a maximum of 2 percent each year until the house is sold again.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: It has taken a lot of money away from schools. Those local property taxes are used to fund programs including education. I think when Prop 13 passed, California was near the top in per pupil spending. Now we’re more toward the bottom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Back to Ken. What does Proposition 13 mean for him? Like how does it affect him considering that there’s a lot of movement along his block?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Well, he’s clearly benefited from it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: And do you remember if you voted for it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: I think I did.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: His tax bill is, I don’t know exactly what it is, but it’s a lot less than somebody who lives next door and just bought the house and is paying taxes based on the market rate assessment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Can people move their low property tax rates around right now? Or does it just stick to the house or property that you own?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: If you’re 55 years or older or severely disabled, you can buy a home of the same or less value and take that with you to another county… if that county has agreed to accept that lower value.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: So not all counties are in on this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Not all counties. In fact, most counties are not, so just about 10 of the 58 counties in California have agreed to accept this lower tax rate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: So what problem is Proposition 5 trying to solve?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: If you talk to realtors or if you talk to seniors…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CLIP: California realtors have an important chance to protect California’s homeowners and extend much needed property tax protection to seniors.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: They have these big homes that they’re rattling around in, and they really would like to downsize. The problem is they’ve got this great deal on their property tax because they’ve been there so long and so they know if they move and buy a market value home, their tax rate is going to go way up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CLIP: It will remove an unfair move-in penalty or property tax spike that prevents many seniors from selling their single family home in order to downsize or move closer to their children.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: The argument here is that they will sell their big house, move to a smaller house and free up their bigger house for young families that want a three- or four-bedroom place. The problem of course is can a young family afford to buy that house?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Who has introduced Proposition 5? Like who backs it?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LYNDA EISENMANN: Hi, my name is Lynda Eisenmann. I’m a broker, real estate broker in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: The California Association of Realtors — and their national association as well — have kicked in at least $7 million to collect the signatures to get it on the ballot and then presumably to spend some of that money to help get it passed. They have an interest in it. You know, if you sell a house you get a commission, so they like that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>EISENMANN: It’s when people stay put that we have a more stagnant market in general.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: OK. Who’s on the other side? Like who is against Proposition 5?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Local governments are opposed to it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Tenants rights groups?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: Tenants groups. Yeah. I mean all these groups, including education advocates, they’re afraid that schools are going to get less money. David Chiu is an assemblyman from San Francisco. He is a big opponent of Prop 5. He thinks it’s a big tax giveaway to people who don’t really need it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CHIU: Prop 5 is an enormous tax break for longtime wealthy property owners who get to pile on more tax breaks on top of what they already have. While renters and first-time home buyers continue to face higher home prices it does nothing to actually address the housing crisis, and it continues to exacerbate the income inequality that is unfortunately the story all over the state of California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: And the legislative analysts who analyzed this said it’s going to ultimately cost local governments about a billion dollars in lost revenue in the coming years if Prop 5 passes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AGUILAR: Wow. So what does Ken think about Proposition 5? Does he think he’s going to vote for Proposition 5?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: You know he’s really thinking about it. He’s not sure. He clearly would benefit himself. On the other hand, he’s not in a big hurry to sell his house and move. In fact, he said “I’d like to be here till I’m 99 years old.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: In our case, I don’t think we will sell the property. We’ll pass it on to our grandkids and the grandkids’ kids and so forth. My daughter said, “No don’t sell it. Don’t sell it. When we get old enough, we won’t be able to buy a house.” Which pretty much came true, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: She was right. That said, I think he likes the idea of Prop 5, but also he’s very thoughtful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: I think it might affect the tax base for those other counties or cities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>SHAFER: You’re right. And what would that mean?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>WILKINS: Actually it would be something, I mean, to really think about before you voted against it or for it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Now Prop 5 is not the only housing-related prop on the ballot. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>This whole week, Bay Curious is exploring the 11 statewide propositions on the California ballot for a mini-series we’re calling “Bay Curious Prop Week.” Each day, we’re dropping episodes looking at what the propositions are and how they came to be on the ballot in the first place. If you want to learn more about what’s on your California ballot, check out KQED’s \u003ca href=\"http://kqed.org/elections\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2018 Voter Guide\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’ll also be hosting a series of Facebook Live Q&As.\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/331161234107297/\">Prop 6, Gas Tax – 12 p.m., Oct. 10 \u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/146244569661530/\">Prop 5, Property Tax Transfer – 12 p.m., Oct. 17\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/1889420071352971/\">Prop 10, Rent Control – 12 p.m., Oct. 24\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Below is a transcript of our episode on Propositions 7, 12 and 3 — the three science-related propositions on the November ballot.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>OLIVIA ALLEN-PRICE: Twice a year most of us in the United States go through a sort of time warp. In March we go to bed on a Saturday night climbing under our covers for a relaxing slumber. But then the alarm goes off an hour early the next day. This time warp is daylight saving time, of course, and it’s one of the three science-related props Californians are voting on this year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: I’m Olivia Allen-Price. It’s Bay Curious Prop Week. All week long, we’re taking you inside what’s behind some of the many propositions you’ll be voting on this November. Today we explore questions of daylight saving time and animal confinement. Plus a water bond. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Theme music\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DANIELLE VENTON: Daylight saving time is this practice that we have of switching our clocks twice a year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: To help us understand Proposition 7, I called my friend from a few desks down.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: I’m Danielle Venton. I’m one of the editors on the science desk here at KQED.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Prop 7 could lead to the end of switching clocks in California. But before we get into how the prop works, let’s first understand how daylight saving time came to be a thing in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[2018-prop prop=7]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: It was an idea that has been kicked around for centuries. Benjamin Franklin, he calculated that the French could save some number of pounds of candles every year by switching their clocks. But the first country to institute it was Germany during the First World War. Then they brought it back for the Second World War and that was meant to save energy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: It was voted on by California voters in 1949 to adopt the practice of daylight saving time. It was wartime and this belief that it would save energy and would help the war effort… it was a very popular notion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: I’d always heard it had something to do with farms. Is that just a total myth? Is that not true?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: It seems to be largely a myth. I mean farmers are going to wake up when the sun gets up. Cows do not read clocks. You know, you bail your hay when it’s ready.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Because Californians voted daylight saving time into practice in 1949, it’s up to us to vote it out… or, in the case of prop 7, vote to pass control onto the legislature.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: So if it passes, the state legislature will have the authority to vote on changing daylight saving time, and if they approve it by two thirds, and if the federal government allows, then California could maintain year round daylight saving time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So people can think of this as like step one in, at least, a three step process.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: Right. But it’s likely that if there is a lot of voter support for this then the legislature would follow the will of the people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: How did this get on the ballot?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: So Assembly Member Kansen Chu…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KANSEN CHU: Kansen Chu. I’m a state assembly member representing District 25.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: From the South Bay heard about this issue from one of his constituents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KANSEN CHU: I got this idea from my dentist. You know he was telling me there was a health impact.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MALE NEWS ANCHOR: New at Six. Potential daylight saving time dangers. Now that the sun sets later.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FEMALE NEWS ANCHOR: But the changing of the clocks can also disturb sleep. Something some experts blame for an increase in car crashes this time of year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: There is consensus that it disrupts sleep schedules, that there’s a higher incidence of heart attacks and stroke.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Supporters of Prop 7 say not only is daylight saving time hazardous for your health, but it doesn’t really save energy either. Studies have found that energy savings is pretty much a wash. On the other side of the coin you’ve got opponents of Prop 7 who say darker mornings could be dangerous for pedestrians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: If we kept daylight saving time year round that would mean very dark mornings in the winter, some people worry that that puts children, in particular, at extra risk when they are traveling to school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Now California wouldn’t be the first place to try to ditch the clock switch. Arizona and Hawaii don’t do daylight saving time and neither do most countries in the world. Even if this prop does pass, things aren’t going to change overnight.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: Clocks would still change in November, of course, on November 2nd. And they would still change in the springtime. But the legislature would have the choice of keeping that change permanent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: So potentially in a year, we would not be falling back?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: That’s right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Next we turn to proposition 12, the animal confinement prop. It was put on the ballot by the Humane Society of the United States. KQED Science reporter Lesley McClurg explains what it’s all about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LESLEY MCCLURG: Californians are going to vote on whether or not animals should come out of cages, like, altogether. So it would take pigs, egg-laying hens and veal calves out of cages altogether, and it allocates a specific amount of space for each animal depending on which animal it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[2018-prop prop=12]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Now there are some farms that are basically already doing this kind of farming, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VENTON: Yeah, exactly. I went to a small farm in Pescadero near the coast and a farmer there, her name is Dede Boies, showed me around the grounds. And she is really, really passionate about taking care of her animals in the most natural conditions that she can.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEDE BOIES: So we pasture raise two different breeds of slow-growing chickens, and ducks, heritage turkeys and pigs. Right now we’re kind of looking at the set up we have, where all the animals get rotated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MCCLURG: The animals are kept in a very large, very open space.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEDE BOIES: This time of day, they’re pretty much in the shelter. But in the morning and evening they definitely spread out a lot more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MCCLURG: And she’s just really against the idea of keeping animals confined in any way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>DEDE BOIES: The point for me is to raise animals in a way that they were intended to live.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Dede Boies supports Prop 12 because she wants to see more animals raised without cages. If this prop feels vaguely familiar to you, there’s a reason why.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALLEN-PRICE: Didn’t we already do this? I remember voting on this already.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MCCLURG: In some ways we did already. This was Proposition 2, back in 2008. It said that animals should have enough space to stand up, sit down, turn around and spread their limbs or wings. 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