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"content": "\u003cp>San Francisco has always been the sort of place where people come to reinvent themselves in a big way. The trend goes back to \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11652705/americas-emperor-san-franciscos-treasure-who-was-emperor-norton\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Joshua Norton\u003c/a>, the eccentric wheeler-dealer who declared himself emperor of the United States in 1859.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[baycuriouspodcastinfo]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When San Francisco drag queen and political activist José Sarria declared himself the “Empress José I, The Widow Norton,” in 1965, he wasn’t just having fun with Norton’s legacy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the founder of \u003ca href=\"http://www.impcourt.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Imperial Court\u003c/a>, Sarria launched and presided over an entire movement that would not only support LGBTQ causes in a profound way over the more than five decades of its existence to date, but would also do it with lashings of bejeweled and sequined flair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Learn about The Imperial Court in this episode of Bay Curious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/bay-curious/2017/10/ImperialCourtpodcastmastered.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/parade-of-imperial-court-dignitaries-e1506985255419.jpg\" Title=\"LISTEN: How San Francisco’s Drag Royalty Does Good, While Playing Dress Up\" program=\"Bay Curious\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ten things to know about The Imperial Court:\u003c/p>\n\u003col>\n\u003cli>From its roots in 1960s San Francisco, today’s Imperial Court extends to around 70 chapters across the U.S., Canada and Mexico.\u003c/li>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620612\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11620612 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-800x477.jpg\" alt=\"Jose Sarria posing during a visit to the GLBT Historical Society in 2009.\" width=\"800\" height=\"477\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-800x477.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-160x95.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-1020x608.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-1180x703.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-960x572.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-240x143.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-375x223.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-520x310.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257.jpg 1556w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">José Sarria poses during a visit to the GLBT Historical Society in 2009. \u003ccite>(Gerard Koskovich)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cli>The San Francisco chapter raises between $50,000-$100,000 each year for a wide range of charities, including San Francisco Suicide Prevention and the Gay-Straight Alliance.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>For nearly three decades until it shuttered in 2013, Marlena’s, a bar in Hayes Valley, was “ground zero” for Imperial Court activities in San Francisco.\u003c/li>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620596\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11620596\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-800x453.jpg\" alt=\"Empress Marlena (aka Gary Mclain) poses by the sign that used to hang above her bar. Marlena's was ground zero for the Imperial Court for close to three decades.\" width=\"800\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-800x453.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-160x91.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-1020x577.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-1920x1086.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-1180x668.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-960x543.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-240x136.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-375x212.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-520x294.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Empress Marlena (aka Gary Mclain) poses by the sign that used to hang above her bar. Marlena’s was ground zero for the Imperial Court for close to three decades. \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cli>The Imperial Court elects a new emperor and empress every February. Candidates run their election campaigns for about a month leading up to the election date.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The results of the election are announced at the annual coronation, which is held at San Francisco’s Design Center these days.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>There have been 52 empresses and 45 emperors to date.\u003c/li>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620601\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11620601\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"Alexis Miranda, Imperial Court Empress 33 and manager at Divas in The Tenderloin, hosts a regular weekly gathering of Imperial and Ducal Court members.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Alexis-Miranda-e1506991511440-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alexis Miranda, Imperial Court Empress 33 and manager at Divas in The Tenderloin, hosts a regular weekly gathering of Imperial and Ducal Court members. \u003ccite>(Chloe Veltman/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cli>Most Imperial Court royals hold down day jobs in addition to working hard weekends on behalf of The Imperial Court. Their main role is to raise money for their selected charities by helping out at events in their hometowns and further afield.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>As “The Mother Court,” the San Francisco chapter is the most prestigious of the courts within the system.\u003c/li>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620598\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11620598\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"The grave of Jose Sarria at Woodlawn Cemetery in Colma.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-1920x1081.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-1180x664.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-960x540.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-240x135.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-375x211.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarrias-tomb-e1506991174130-520x293.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">The grave of José Sarria at Woodlawn Cemetery in Colma.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cli>The Imperial Court is connected to several other LGBTQ organizations, including the Ducal Court and the Mr. and Miss Gay pageants.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Sarria died at the age of 90 in 2013 and received a stately funeral at Grace Cathedral. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ten things to know about The Imperial Court:\u003c/p>\n\u003col>\n\u003cli>From its roots in 1960s San Francisco, today’s Imperial Court extends to around 70 chapters across the U.S., Canada and Mexico.\u003c/li>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620612\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-11620612 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-800x477.jpg\" alt=\"Jose Sarria posing during a visit to the GLBT Historical Society in 2009.\" width=\"800\" height=\"477\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-800x477.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-160x95.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-1020x608.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-1180x703.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-960x572.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-240x143.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-375x223.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257-520x310.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Sarria2009B-e1506994286257.jpg 1556w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">José Sarria poses during a visit to the GLBT Historical Society in 2009. \u003ccite>(Gerard Koskovich)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cli>The San Francisco chapter raises between $50,000-$100,000 each year for a wide range of charities, including San Francisco Suicide Prevention and the Gay-Straight Alliance.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>For nearly three decades until it shuttered in 2013, Marlena’s, a bar in Hayes Valley, was “ground zero” for Imperial Court activities in San Francisco.\u003c/li>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620596\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11620596\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-800x453.jpg\" alt=\"Empress Marlena (aka Gary Mclain) poses by the sign that used to hang above her bar. Marlena's was ground zero for the Imperial Court for close to three decades.\" width=\"800\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-800x453.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-160x91.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-1020x577.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-1920x1086.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-1180x668.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-960x543.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-240x136.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-375x212.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/Marlena-and-bar-sign-e1506991019483-520x294.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Empress Marlena (aka Gary Mclain) poses by the sign that used to hang above her bar. 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"content": "\u003cp>At 15, Sarah Vang is a confident leader. With her big, persistent smile, she runs her high school Hmong Club meeting with ease, spreading enthusiasm even to the most reluctant participants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She founded the club last year as a sophomore. And as president, she takes it upon herself to look out for new Hmong students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s a lot of Hmong freshman,” she says, “and I just want to tell them, 'Join the Hmong Club! I’m so happy you’re Hmong!' I feel like I’m the mother of all Hmong people. I love my community so much.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But that love came only after years of wrestling with her identity. Sarah didn’t speak much Hmong growing up, and she didn’t really talk with her parents about their life in Laos or why they came to the United States.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/10/tcrmag20171006Hmong.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-1180x885.jpg\" Title=\"Years After Tragedy, Fresno's Hmong Seek Cultural Understanding for Next Generation\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In elementary school, kids tormented her with racist taunts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It made me want to diminish all Asian or Hmong aspects of me,” she says. “I did not want to associate with any Hmong people. I really hated Hmong people.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She felt that way for years. Then eventually, as a teen, she started wanting to know more about her culture. Around the same time, her high school introduced its first Hmong language and history class, and Sarah enrolled. Now every high school in the Fresno Unified School District offers these classes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One day her teacher showed the class a documentary about the Hmong in Fresno. It included a tragic episode in the community's history -- the suicides of eight teenagers between 1998 and 2001.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'These kids didn't have an identity. They don't know who they are, where they came from, why their parents were involved in the war.'\u003ccite>Peter Vang, Hmong survivor of the Vietnam War\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>“Once I saw my brother’s face, I started crying,” Sarah says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sarah’s brother was one of those teenagers. He died before she was born.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My teacher didn’t know that that was my brother, or that the person they were interviewing was my dad,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After her brother’s death, Sarah’s dad, Peter Vang, talked to the families and friends of the other teens who had killed themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I cannot save my son anymore because he’s gone,” Vang says, “but I want to make sure other parents save their kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vang learned the kids all had distinct troubles, but he found a common theme: “These kids didn’t have an identity,” he says. “They don’t know who they are, where they came from, why their parents were involved in the war.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620673\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11620673\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-1020x765.jpg\" alt=\"Teacher Thae Xiong reads students a book in Hmong.\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Teacher Thae Xiong reads students a book in Hmong. \u003ccite>(Vanessa Rancano/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Vang says that for kids to have a better sense of their identity, they need to learn about that war -- the so-called \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/opinion/heirs-of-the-secret-war-in-laos.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">secret war\u003c/a> in which the CIA recruited Hmong fighters to help stop the spread of communism in Laos during the Vietnam War. At least 30,000 Hmong died.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the war, many Hmong ended up in the Central Valley, home to the second-largest Hmong community in the United States. Vang says that when his son was in school, this story wasn’t told.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s nothing in history books,” he says. \"So schools, when they talked about Vietnam War, the Hmong did not exist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Vang and others in the community successfully advocated for California legislation that encouraged schools to teach students about the role of the Hmong in the Vietnam War. And they began pushing for Hmong language and history classes at Fresno schools, like the one Vang’s daughter, Sarah, took for the first time last year. In that class, the secret war got a lot of attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“At first we were like, 'Why are we learning about this?' We didn’t understand,” Sarah says. “But once we got into depth about it, we realized Hmong people went through a lot of hardships trying to get here. That’s when I started to ask my dad, ‘So tell me a little about the war.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[contextly_sidebar id=\"G1xagEdRDJkUC617msXn4Mg8RjTmi9W1\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vang grew up in the war. As a 4-year-old, he remembers the screeching sound of rockets flying through the air, the sight of body parts strewn across the ground, and the stacks of body bags. At one point, his house was destroyed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I thought my parents were dead,” he says. “I realized they were still alive after all the smoke cleared.” Vang’s father fought with the CIA and was injured more than once. He lost multiple fingers to a grenade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hearing these stories had a big impact on Sarah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It really hit home. It made me appreciate everything the elders did,” she says. “Because of them we are here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After more than a decade, the work of Peter Vang and other community members is paying off: This year Sarah’s school offered a more advanced Hmong class for the first time, and last year \u003ca href=\"https://www.fresnostate.edu/catalog/subjects/linguistics/hmong-mn.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fresno State University introduced a minor in Hmong\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fresno Unified has something else in the works, too. It’s testing out a dual immersion class for kindergartners so that kids like 6-year-old Logan can learn Hmong.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I know how to read English,” he says, while looking through a children’s book written in Hmong. “I don’t know how to read Hmong. It’s hard.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618123\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11618123 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/Hmong-dual-immersion-3-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Doua Vu works with students Isaac and Cassidy in Fresno Unified School District's Hmong-English dual-immersion pilot class. \u003ccite>(Vanessa Rancano/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Misty Her oversees the new dual-language program. She says the biggest challenge is developing the curriculum.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s really nothing, nothing out there for us,\" she says in terms of models. \"But what’s exciting is we get to build it from the ground up.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Her says there are very few Hmong dual-immersion programs, and there aren't a lot of Hmong written texts out there to work with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Our written language only happened about the last 60, 70 years,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The kids are just a couple of weeks into the after-school class, but Fresno Unified is already planning to offer regular Hmong dual immersion at elementary schools as early as next year. It will be the first in Fresno, and one of\u003ca href=\"http://www.scusd.edu/program/susan-b-anthony-hmong-dual-language-program\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> just a couple in California\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Hmong who fled their homeland since the Vietnam War hope this generation -- and those to come -- will walk through the world with confidence. They hope that by knowing their language, their history and exactly where they came from, younger Hmong can decide who they want to be.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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They don't know who they are, where they came from, why their parents were involved in the war.'\u003ccite>Peter Vang, Hmong survivor of the Vietnam War\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>“Once I saw my brother’s face, I started crying,” Sarah says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sarah’s brother was one of those teenagers. He died before she was born.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My teacher didn’t know that that was my brother, or that the person they were interviewing was my dad,” she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After her brother’s death, Sarah’s dad, Peter Vang, talked to the families and friends of the other teens who had killed themselves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I cannot save my son anymore because he’s gone,” Vang says, “but I want to make sure other parents save their kids.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vang learned the kids all had distinct troubles, but he found a common theme: “These kids didn’t have an identity,” he says. “They don’t know who they are, where they came from, why their parents were involved in the war.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620673\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11620673\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-1020x765.jpg\" alt=\"Teacher Thae Xiong reads students a book in Hmong.\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-160x120.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-800x600.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-1180x885.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-960x720.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-240x180.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-375x281.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/RS27162_RS26637_IMG_42671-qut-520x390.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Teacher Thae Xiong reads students a book in Hmong. \u003ccite>(Vanessa Rancano/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Vang says that for kids to have a better sense of their identity, they need to learn about that war -- the so-called \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/opinion/heirs-of-the-secret-war-in-laos.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">secret war\u003c/a> in which the CIA recruited Hmong fighters to help stop the spread of communism in Laos during the Vietnam War. At least 30,000 Hmong died.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the war, many Hmong ended up in the Central Valley, home to the second-largest Hmong community in the United States. Vang says that when his son was in school, this story wasn’t told.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There’s nothing in history books,” he says. \"So schools, when they talked about Vietnam War, the Hmong did not exist.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So Vang and others in the community successfully advocated for California legislation that encouraged schools to teach students about the role of the Hmong in the Vietnam War. And they began pushing for Hmong language and history classes at Fresno schools, like the one Vang’s daughter, Sarah, took for the first time last year. In that class, the secret war got a lot of attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“At first we were like, 'Why are we learning about this?' We didn’t understand,” Sarah says. “But once we got into depth about it, we realized Hmong people went through a lot of hardships trying to get here. That’s when I started to ask my dad, ‘So tell me a little about the war.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vang grew up in the war. As a 4-year-old, he remembers the screeching sound of rockets flying through the air, the sight of body parts strewn across the ground, and the stacks of body bags. At one point, his house was destroyed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I thought my parents were dead,” he says. “I realized they were still alive after all the smoke cleared.” Vang’s father fought with the CIA and was injured more than once. He lost multiple fingers to a grenade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Hearing these stories had a big impact on Sarah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It really hit home. It made me appreciate everything the elders did,” she says. “Because of them we are here.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After more than a decade, the work of Peter Vang and other community members is paying off: This year Sarah’s school offered a more advanced Hmong class for the first time, and last year \u003ca href=\"https://www.fresnostate.edu/catalog/subjects/linguistics/hmong-mn.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fresno State University introduced a minor in Hmong\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fresno Unified has something else in the works, too. It’s testing out a dual immersion class for kindergartners so that kids like 6-year-old Logan can learn Hmong.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I know how to read English,” he says, while looking through a children’s book written in Hmong. “I don’t know how to read Hmong. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>This story is part of a series called \"Faces of the Vietnam War.\" Recently, KQED asked our audience to submit their stories about the Vietnam War. We heard from refugees, military veterans, journalists, activists and more. This story comes from San Mateo resident David Meisenheimer, who gave up his student deferment from the draft because he felt it was too privileged. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the mid-'60s, while I was a high school student, I was in support of U.S. involvement in Vietnam. In the Bay Area, there was an increasing amount of voices opposing the war. I explored information available in our high school library that convinced me our politicians were not providing the complete story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We really were not getting accurate information. That really shaped everything that happened to me for the rest of my life. It definitely made me think, and I wasn't gonna naturally accept what my government said to me ever again from that time forward.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When it came time to register to vote, I chose \"declines to state.\" I had (have) no faith in our political \"leaders\" to tell the truth about anything. I did not consider the politicians to be leaders. I felt they were more interested in their own position than they were their constituents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/RDnews/2017/09/MeisenheimerProfile.mp3\" title=\"This Vietnam Objector Says The Government Was Spreading Fake News Back Then—And He Never Trusted What They Said Again\" Program=\"KQED News\" image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26575_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut.jpg\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In March of 1968, I turned 18 and registered for the draft. That fall, I started college and received a student deferment. Before the end of that year, I had dropped out of school and lost my student deferment. I went back to school for the 1969 spring semester. I wanted my student deferment back, and I went to Berkeley seeking assistance from the draft resistance. Their solution was for me to immediately leave the country, and they told me they had resources that would help me do that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Instead, I returned to the library. I went through a copy of the Selective Service Act and located a paragraph that outlined a process for having a student deferment reinstated. I followed that process and my student deferment was reinstated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, I became aware that a disproportionate number of draftees were people of color because college was not an option for so many young men of color as it was to white males. I felt like it wasn't right for me, as a white male, to have a student deferment. So, I gave up my student deferment and decided to apply for conscientious objector status.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11617890\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11617890 size-large\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-1020x680.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26574_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-2-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">David Meisenheimer flips through the numerous draft cards he received while pursuing his conscientious objector status. \u003ccite>(Bert Johnson/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>By late spring of 1969, my draft board had sent me notice to report for my physical. I had not had a ruling on my CO status, but I knew what I would do at my physical. By this time, I had read about others who refused to accept the military oath after passing their physicals. I knew what to expect and I was prepared to deal with those consequences whatever they might have been.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was now June and time for school finals. I had an English professor who helped with a letter submitted to my draft board that said my physical was scheduled for the same day as my final, and that was the only day I would be able to take the final. The board excused me from my physical appointment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The board had also denied my initial request for CO status and I began the appeal process. I did receive two more notices to report for physicals over the next several months, but because I was still in the appeal process I did not have to report. I appeared before my draft board as part of the appeal process and it did last for many months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventually, I was awarded CO status. The only draft card I ever signed was the one I received with my CO status. No doubt I received CO status more because of the military's need to process young men who were not resisting than I did for my moral convictions. Regardless, I felt a sense of accomplishment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I really felt like the people who refused induction -- those people were the heroes for me. I know that even to this day they're not viewed that way. They were sometimes viewed as having taken the easy way out. Sometimes they were viewed as cowards, but I feel like those people -- they were really heroes. They really did love their country and they did exactly what was right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619991\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619991\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-1020x680.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">David Meisenheimer holds up one of the many draft cards he received while pursuing his conscientious objector status. He never signed any of them, except the card that granted him his CO status. \u003ccite>(Bert Johnson/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I know initially my opposition to Vietnam caused strain in my relationship with my dad. He was a World War II veteran and he did support the war effort early on, as did I. He was really impacted by the Second World War and, like almost everybody, he believed that the United States had to stand up to what was going on in Vietnam. But with time and numerous conversations, as well as so many stories unfolding in the press, my dad changed his feelings about the war and was strongly opposed to our involvement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>(Editor's note: When KQED asked Meisenheimer about his strained relationship with his dad, he said it wasn't any different from a disagreement any 18-year-old would have with his father.)\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It strikes me that at this point -- 50 years later -- there's still all this strong emotion about, \"Yes, we should have been there,\" or \"No, we shouldn't have been there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't feel that has changed and much of what I see happening in our country today reminds me of the turbulent '60s. There's this sense that you've got these opposing sides and people aren't listening to one another. They're not trying to be thoughtful about what's going on. They're just reacting and there are all of these really strong feelings that people are so willing to shoot at other people, and nobody's hearing what anybody else has to say.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Meisenheimer's essay has been edited for clarity, and material from his interview with KQED has been added to provide greater detail.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED's Sonja Hutson and Bert Johnson produced this report.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Instead, I returned to the library. I went through a copy of the Selective Service Act and located a paragraph that outlined a process for having a student deferment reinstated. I followed that process and my student deferment was reinstated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the same time, I became aware that a disproportionate number of draftees were people of color because college was not an option for so many young men of color as it was to white males. I felt like it wasn't right for me, as a white male, to have a student deferment. 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I had not had a ruling on my CO status, but I knew what I would do at my physical. By this time, I had read about others who refused to accept the military oath after passing their physicals. I knew what to expect and I was prepared to deal with those consequences whatever they might have been.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was now June and time for school finals. I had an English professor who helped with a letter submitted to my draft board that said my physical was scheduled for the same day as my final, and that was the only day I would be able to take the final. The board excused me from my physical appointment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The board had also denied my initial request for CO status and I began the appeal process. I did receive two more notices to report for physicals over the next several months, but because I was still in the appeal process I did not have to report. I appeared before my draft board as part of the appeal process and it did last for many months.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Eventually, I was awarded CO status. The only draft card I ever signed was the one I received with my CO status. No doubt I received CO status more because of the military's need to process young men who were not resisting than I did for my moral convictions. Regardless, I felt a sense of accomplishment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I really felt like the people who refused induction -- those people were the heroes for me. I know that even to this day they're not viewed that way. They were sometimes viewed as having taken the easy way out. Sometimes they were viewed as cowards, but I feel like those people -- they were really heroes. They really did love their country and they did exactly what was right.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619991\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619991\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-1020x680.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26577_20170912_VietnamStories_DavidMeisenheimer_Credit_BertJohnson-5-qut-1-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">David Meisenheimer holds up one of the many draft cards he received while pursuing his conscientious objector status. He never signed any of them, except the card that granted him his CO status. \u003ccite>(Bert Johnson/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>I know initially my opposition to Vietnam caused strain in my relationship with my dad. He was a World War II veteran and he did support the war effort early on, as did I. He was really impacted by the Second World War and, like almost everybody, he believed that the United States had to stand up to what was going on in Vietnam. But with time and numerous conversations, as well as so many stories unfolding in the press, my dad changed his feelings about the war and was strongly opposed to our involvement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>(Editor's note: When KQED asked Meisenheimer about his strained relationship with his dad, he said it wasn't any different from a disagreement any 18-year-old would have with his father.)\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It strikes me that at this point -- 50 years later -- there's still all this strong emotion about, \"Yes, we should have been there,\" or \"No, we shouldn't have been there.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't feel that has changed and much of what I see happening in our country today reminds me of the turbulent '60s. There's this sense that you've got these opposing sides and people aren't listening to one another. They're not trying to be thoughtful about what's going on. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>This story is part of a series called \"Faces of the Vietnam War.\" KQED recently asked our audience to submit their stories about the Vietnam War. We heard from refugees, military veterans, journalists, activists and more. This story is about San Francisco resident John Dubpernell, 67, who served in the U.S. Army during the war.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anniversaries can be important for veterans. “For me, it’s March 5,” said veteran John Dubpernell. On that date in 1971, he was a door gunner serving in Vietnam with the 282nd Assault Helicopter Company, which was providing air support for the South Vietnamese army during an operation called Lam Son 719. “Vietnam’s version of D-Day” is what he calls it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. military deployed many helicopters during the massive campaign, including Dubpernell’s Huey. One day, while his aircraft was returning from a dangerous mission, a mayday call came over the radio. Dubpernell, who was sitting in the left doorway, looked out over the far side of the gunship and said he saw another helicopter going down in flames.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now on high alert, his helicopter began taking fire. “I don’t know whether I hear or feel the aircraft taking hits,” he recalled. “So I immediately started firing below.” After they got clear of the area, Dubpernell said he noticed that his seat, which had been modified to include an armor plate by a previous crew member, had stopped an AK-47 bullet. “That saved my life,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619601\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619601\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1020x670.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1020x670.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-160x105.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-800x525.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1920x1260.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1180x775.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-960x630.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-240x158.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-375x246.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-520x341.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bullet holes in John Dubpernell's helicopter after a firefight on March 5, 1971 \u003ccite>(Courtesy John Dubpernell)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lam Son 719 was one of the bloodiest battles in the war, and Army helicopter crews \u003ca href=\"http://www.businessinsider.com/uncovering-the-story-of-one-of-the-vietnam-wars-bloodiest-battles-2015-1\">suffered heavy losses\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For decades, Dubpernell avoided the anniversary of the day when he was nearly killed. “When I came home in December of 1971, I put a weld around the door that was that part of my life,” he told KQED. It was only much later, in the late '90s, that he would revisit his time in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell had been drafted into the Army in June 1970 and served on UH-1 Huey gunships, which he calls “the Jeep of the sky.” He was stationed in Da Nang, a city on Vietnam's central coast, and quickly rose through the enlisted ranks to become a crew chief -- a job that made him responsible for the whole helicopter, including its maintenance, fueling and more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To this day, Dubpernell still holds the fellowship of being on a combat flight crew in high esteem. “There's that unspoken aspect of camaraderie,” he said. “In civilian life, you'll never experience it.” But his combat experience left him traumatized and disenchanted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The urge to put Vietnam behind him began soon after Dubpernell returned home. Revelations about the government’s dishonest handling of the war only deepened his desire to forget his experiences, he said. “I read Daniel Ellsberg's 'Pentagon Papers' and that's when it really cemented my feelings about Vietnam -- really putting a weld around the door and wanting to forget the whole thing,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">'I just had this compelling desire to go back to Vietnam. And in my heart, I wanted to correct all of the wrongs that were done.'\u003ccite>John Dubpernell\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>When he was 41, Dubpernell got laid off from his job as a production coordinator for a San Francisco-based printer and began searching for meaning in life. He ended up reading \"When Heaven and Earth Changed Places,\" a memoir by Vietnamese-American author Le Ly Hayslip about her experience of the war as a child. In it, he learned that Hayslip had founded a nonprofit called East Meets West, which provides support for a government-run orphanage in Da Nang.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell decided to visit the orphanage, called Village of Hope, in December 1998. “I just had this compelling desire to go back to Vietnam. And in my heart, I wanted to correct all of the wrongs that were done,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Dubpernell was visiting the East Meets West offices in Da Nang, the staff told him they were planning to celebrate Christmas with the kids in the orphanage and invited him along.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We're even going to have a Santa Claus,” he remembers them saying. Back at his hotel, Dubpernell thought about the celebration and came to a decision: “I'm saying to myself: I want to be that Santa Claus. I've got the moustache.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619603\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619603\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-1020x680.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Dubpernell shows photos from his visits to Village of Hope, an orphanage in Da Nang, Vietnam. He has gone back three times to play Santa Claus and distribute gifts to the children who live there. \u003ccite>(Bert Johnson/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The staff agreed and Dubpernell, dressed as St. Nicholas, shared dinner and gifts with the children at Village of Hope. The experience was so gratifying that he went back. “I have done three trips, each time going back in December and playing Santa Claus in Da Nang,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following that first visit, Dubpernell started experiencing severe symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). In the decades following his deployment, he'd struggled with anger issues, but his return to Da Nang set off a new series of reactions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was a basket case in terms of crying,” he told KQED. “I was drinking heavily.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some friends, fellow combat veterans, grew concerned when they recognized his symptoms and urged him to seek help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell followed their advice and enrolled in a mental health program at the VA’s San Francisco medical center in 1999.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once he was diagnosed with PTSD, Dubpernell committed himself to treatment and still attends group therapy three times a week. “All those years I invested in my PTSD therapies, it pays off,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619611\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619611\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-1020x662.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"415\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-1020x662.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-160x104.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-800x519.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-1180x766.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-960x623.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-240x156.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-375x243.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-520x338.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit.jpg 1819w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Dubpernell photographed early in his deployment to Vietnam. \u003ccite>(Courtesy John Dubpernell)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The trauma Dubpernell experienced has affected his life in other ways, too. “Like other people dealing with PTSD, relationships are a real challenge,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell, who came out as gay shortly after he left the military, described a fraught romantic life. “I think the longest relationship I ever had was two months, so it was very difficult.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During his deployment, he remembers he had to be on guard for fear of revealing his identity as a gay man. But in the years since, Dubpernell said that other Vietnam veterans have been accepting of his sexual orientation. “It was a non-issue, as long as you did your job,” he said. “And I did.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although his return trips offered Dubpernell a chance to make amends and connect with a new generation of Vietnamese children, they were bittersweet. During his visits to Da Nang, Dubpernell said, he repressed the feelings that came back to him until he got home, just like he had during the war.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In Vietnam, you had a job to do and you couldn't allow your emotions to get in the way,” he said. “When I was doing my Santa thing I couldn't allow my emotions to get in the way, because I had a job to do: playing Santa Claus.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED's Peter Arcuni contributed to this story.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>This story is part of a series called \"Faces of the Vietnam War.\" KQED recently asked our audience to submit their stories about the Vietnam War. We heard from refugees, military veterans, journalists, activists and more. This story is about San Francisco resident John Dubpernell, 67, who served in the U.S. Army during the war.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Anniversaries can be important for veterans. “For me, it’s March 5,” said veteran John Dubpernell. On that date in 1971, he was a door gunner serving in Vietnam with the 282nd Assault Helicopter Company, which was providing air support for the South Vietnamese army during an operation called Lam Son 719. “Vietnam’s version of D-Day” is what he calls it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The U.S. military deployed many helicopters during the massive campaign, including Dubpernell’s Huey. One day, while his aircraft was returning from a dangerous mission, a mayday call came over the radio. Dubpernell, who was sitting in the left doorway, looked out over the far side of the gunship and said he saw another helicopter going down in flames.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now on high alert, his helicopter began taking fire. “I don’t know whether I hear or feel the aircraft taking hits,” he recalled. “So I immediately started firing below.” After they got clear of the area, Dubpernell said he noticed that his seat, which had been modified to include an armor plate by a previous crew member, had stopped an AK-47 bullet. “That saved my life,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619601\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619601\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1020x670.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1020x670.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-160x105.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-800x525.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1920x1260.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-1180x775.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-960x630.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-240x158.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-375x246.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/00186_p_11afcgqrw30067_z-520x341.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bullet holes in John Dubpernell's helicopter after a firefight on March 5, 1971 \u003ccite>(Courtesy John Dubpernell)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lam Son 719 was one of the bloodiest battles in the war, and Army helicopter crews \u003ca href=\"http://www.businessinsider.com/uncovering-the-story-of-one-of-the-vietnam-wars-bloodiest-battles-2015-1\">suffered heavy losses\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For decades, Dubpernell avoided the anniversary of the day when he was nearly killed. “When I came home in December of 1971, I put a weld around the door that was that part of my life,” he told KQED. It was only much later, in the late '90s, that he would revisit his time in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell had been drafted into the Army in June 1970 and served on UH-1 Huey gunships, which he calls “the Jeep of the sky.” He was stationed in Da Nang, a city on Vietnam's central coast, and quickly rose through the enlisted ranks to become a crew chief -- a job that made him responsible for the whole helicopter, including its maintenance, fueling and more.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To this day, Dubpernell still holds the fellowship of being on a combat flight crew in high esteem. “There's that unspoken aspect of camaraderie,” he said. “In civilian life, you'll never experience it.” But his combat experience left him traumatized and disenchanted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The urge to put Vietnam behind him began soon after Dubpernell returned home. Revelations about the government’s dishonest handling of the war only deepened his desire to forget his experiences, he said. “I read Daniel Ellsberg's 'Pentagon Papers' and that's when it really cemented my feelings about Vietnam -- really putting a weld around the door and wanting to forget the whole thing,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignleft\">'I just had this compelling desire to go back to Vietnam. And in my heart, I wanted to correct all of the wrongs that were done.'\u003ccite>John Dubpernell\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>When he was 41, Dubpernell got laid off from his job as a production coordinator for a San Francisco-based printer and began searching for meaning in life. He ended up reading \"When Heaven and Earth Changed Places,\" a memoir by Vietnamese-American author Le Ly Hayslip about her experience of the war as a child. In it, he learned that Hayslip had founded a nonprofit called East Meets West, which provides support for a government-run orphanage in Da Nang.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell decided to visit the orphanage, called Village of Hope, in December 1998. “I just had this compelling desire to go back to Vietnam. And in my heart, I wanted to correct all of the wrongs that were done,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Dubpernell was visiting the East Meets West offices in Da Nang, the staff told him they were planning to celebrate Christmas with the kids in the orphanage and invited him along.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We're even going to have a Santa Claus,” he remembers them saying. Back at his hotel, Dubpernell thought about the celebration and came to a decision: “I'm saying to myself: I want to be that Santa Claus. I've got the moustache.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619603\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619603\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-1020x680.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/RS26580_20170912_VietnamStories_JohnDubpernell_Credit_BertJohnson-3-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Dubpernell shows photos from his visits to Village of Hope, an orphanage in Da Nang, Vietnam. He has gone back three times to play Santa Claus and distribute gifts to the children who live there. \u003ccite>(Bert Johnson/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The staff agreed and Dubpernell, dressed as St. Nicholas, shared dinner and gifts with the children at Village of Hope. The experience was so gratifying that he went back. “I have done three trips, each time going back in December and playing Santa Claus in Da Nang,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Following that first visit, Dubpernell started experiencing severe symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). In the decades following his deployment, he'd struggled with anger issues, but his return to Da Nang set off a new series of reactions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was a basket case in terms of crying,” he told KQED. “I was drinking heavily.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some friends, fellow combat veterans, grew concerned when they recognized his symptoms and urged him to seek help.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell followed their advice and enrolled in a mental health program at the VA’s San Francisco medical center in 1999.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Once he was diagnosed with PTSD, Dubpernell committed himself to treatment and still attends group therapy three times a week. “All those years I invested in my PTSD therapies, it pays off,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11619611\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-large wp-image-11619611\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-1020x662.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"415\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-1020x662.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-160x104.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-800x519.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-1180x766.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-960x623.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-240x156.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-375x243.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit-520x338.jpg 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Dubpernell-edit.jpg 1819w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">John Dubpernell photographed early in his deployment to Vietnam. \u003ccite>(Courtesy John Dubpernell)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The trauma Dubpernell experienced has affected his life in other ways, too. “Like other people dealing with PTSD, relationships are a real challenge,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Dubpernell, who came out as gay shortly after he left the military, described a fraught romantic life. “I think the longest relationship I ever had was two months, so it was very difficult.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During his deployment, he remembers he had to be on guard for fear of revealing his identity as a gay man. But in the years since, Dubpernell said that other Vietnam veterans have been accepting of his sexual orientation. “It was a non-issue, as long as you did your job,” he said. “And I did.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Although his return trips offered Dubpernell a chance to make amends and connect with a new generation of Vietnamese children, they were bittersweet. During his visits to Da Nang, Dubpernell said, he repressed the feelings that came back to him until he got home, just like he had during the war.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In Vietnam, you had a job to do and you couldn't allow your emotions to get in the way,” he said. “When I was doing my Santa thing I couldn't allow my emotions to get in the way, because I had a job to do: playing Santa Claus.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>This story is part of a series called \"Faces of the Vietnam War.\" KQED recently asked our audience to submit their stories about the Vietnam War. We heard from refugees, military veterans, journalists, activists and more. This story comes from Sacramento resident Angela Shortt, 59, whose father served in the U.S. Air Force during the war.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As an Air Force Base brat whose parents served during the Korean War and whose father served during the Vietnam War, my views of war, life and death were formed by what I experienced as a child. My family, which was my mother, father, sister, brother and I, were stationed at Clark Air Force Base, Luzon, the Philippines, from 1966-1968.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>During the Vietnam War, I was the oldest daughter of Master Sgt. Richard Shortt, who was a loadmaster flying missions over Vietnam. His job was to load ammunition, food and personnel, and usually they were dropping into active firefights. They had to drop live ammunition, because the guys on the ground didn't have enough time to be opening up boxes and loading things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618594\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 400px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-11618594\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/1461635447747-Angela-Shortt.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"267\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/1461635447747-Angela-Shortt.jpg 400w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/1461635447747-Angela-Shortt-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/1461635447747-Angela-Shortt-240x160.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/1461635447747-Angela-Shortt-375x250.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Master Sgt. Richard Shortt receiving a medal for valor. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Angela Shortt)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>My dad did get shot once as they were dropping the ammunition — a bullet grazed his head. He didn't even feel it. It went right past his temple and caught his hair on fire, but he kept working. The flight engineer -- or navigator -- jumped down with a towel and was patting his hair. My father said he cussed him out: “What are you doing? I got to do my job!” And the flight engineer replied: \"Shortt! Your hair is on fire!\" My dad didn't tell us he was injured. We didn't know something had happened to him until he got a Bronze Medal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a loadmaster on the C-131s, my dad brought food and supplies in, and the wounded and dead out. We saw the latter whenever we went to pick him up from the flight line, which was located very close to the Military Airlift Command (MAC) headquarters. I will never forget that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The wounded were always placed in cots inside the big, dark-blue buses with the large red and white crosses painted on top. They had to keep putting them into cots that were stacked up -- it looked like all the way to the top.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I would look over there and I used to think, \"They look like they're dead,” because they never moved. My siblings and I never saw the soldiers twitch, move or give any other indication that they were still alive.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/09/2017-09-22c-tcrmag.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26907_20170912_VietnamStories_AngelaShortt_Credit_BertJohnson-1-2-qut.jpg\" Title=\"'More Than Hell': A Military Brat's Vietnam\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I used to pray that all of them would live, because we also saw the crew members tossing out what looked like large black garbage bags from the back of the C-131s and the C-141s, and my sister and I came to the nearly simultaneous conclusion that the bags contained dead bodies. We used to involuntarily shiver as we watched the airmen do their jobs, despite the stifling humidity of a typical day in the Philippines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We didn’t dare ask our mother about what was going on because she always seemed so tense when we were parked outside of dad's squadron HQ. I was 8 years old when I saw the crew tossing the body bags off the back of the planes. For me, there was this revelation that war is more than hell, because it doesn't stop when the people die. There's people who are left behind.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I was 8 years old when I saw the crew tossing the body bags off the back of the planes.'\u003ccite>Angela Shortt\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Believe it or not, that wasn't the worst. The worst was going to the hospital because we went to the same hospital as the guys who were injured. They all had that eerie deadman's stare that sent an involuntary shudder through my entire body whenever I saw them sitting in the wheelchairs that lined the hospital's hallways. They never blinked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A lot of them were missing body parts. They had tubes going up their arms and bandages all over. I don't know why they would have these guys out in the hallways in wheelchairs, but they would. Maybe the rooms were too crowded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't even remember talking about this stuff with other kids at all. And maybe things are different now, but back then you tried to live a life that was kind of normal. I used to think about my father not coming back, but I would push it away because if I dwelt on it, it would eat me up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620168\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11620168 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"458\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut.jpg 640w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-160x115.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-240x172.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-375x268.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-520x372.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Angela Shortt's mother, Mary, and father, Richard, at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama, in 1956. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Angela Shortt)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But I also learned much from these experiences -- primarily, war is not a game, nor is it as simple as \"killing the bad guys.\" Bullets and bombs aren't movie set pieces. They rend bodies into ghoulish, almost unrecognizable pieces of their former selves, and twist the minds of young men and women in ways that are difficult for people who never served in the armed forces or grew up on military bases to understand.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'There was this revelation that war is more than hell, because it doesn't stop when the people die. There's people who are left behind.'\u003ccite>Angela Shortt\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>I was shocked to find out that the reason why I saw so many people wounded and in body bags was because our government had to stop Communism. We didn't stop it. So many lives were lost, and for what? It wasn't about Communism versus capitalism, in my opinion. It was about resources. And people died as a result.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know, it hurts to lose people, it hurts to be wounded. I've seen that it does things, not just to the body, but to the mind and to the soul. That's why horror movies don't scare me. I've seen real horror and it doesn't compare.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>KQED's Bert Johnson, Bianca Taylor and Peter Arcuni produced this report. \u003c/em>\u003cem>Shortt's essay has been edited for clarity, and material from her interview with KQED has been added to provide greater detail.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I used to pray that all of them would live, because we also saw the crew members tossing out what looked like large black garbage bags from the back of the C-131s and the C-141s, and my sister and I came to the nearly simultaneous conclusion that the bags contained dead bodies. We used to involuntarily shiver as we watched the airmen do their jobs, despite the stifling humidity of a typical day in the Philippines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We didn’t dare ask our mother about what was going on because she always seemed so tense when we were parked outside of dad's squadron HQ. I was 8 years old when I saw the crew tossing the body bags off the back of the planes. For me, there was this revelation that war is more than hell, because it doesn't stop when the people die. There's people who are left behind.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'I was 8 years old when I saw the crew tossing the body bags off the back of the planes.'\u003ccite>Angela Shortt\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>Believe it or not, that wasn't the worst. The worst was going to the hospital because we went to the same hospital as the guys who were injured. They all had that eerie deadman's stare that sent an involuntary shudder through my entire body whenever I saw them sitting in the wheelchairs that lined the hospital's hallways. They never blinked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A lot of them were missing body parts. They had tubes going up their arms and bandages all over. I don't know why they would have these guys out in the hallways in wheelchairs, but they would. Maybe the rooms were too crowded.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I don't even remember talking about this stuff with other kids at all. And maybe things are different now, but back then you tried to live a life that was kind of normal. I used to think about my father not coming back, but I would push it away because if I dwelt on it, it would eat me up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11620168\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-11620168 size-full\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"458\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut.jpg 640w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-160x115.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-240x172.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-375x268.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2018/09/Angela-Shortt_1497838614496-qut-520x372.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Angela Shortt's mother, Mary, and father, Richard, at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama, in 1956. \u003ccite>(Courtesy of Angela Shortt)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>But I also learned much from these experiences -- primarily, war is not a game, nor is it as simple as \"killing the bad guys.\" Bullets and bombs aren't movie set pieces. They rend bodies into ghoulish, almost unrecognizable pieces of their former selves, and twist the minds of young men and women in ways that are difficult for people who never served in the armed forces or grew up on military bases to understand.\u003c/p>\n\u003caside class=\"pullquote alignright\">'There was this revelation that war is more than hell, because it doesn't stop when the people die. There's people who are left behind.'\u003ccite>Angela Shortt\u003c/cite>\u003c/aside>\n\u003cp>I was shocked to find out that the reason why I saw so many people wounded and in body bags was because our government had to stop Communism. We didn't stop it. So many lives were lost, and for what? It wasn't about Communism versus capitalism, in my opinion. It was about resources. And people died as a result.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>You know, it hurts to lose people, it hurts to be wounded. I've seen that it does things, not just to the body, but to the mind and to the soul. That's why horror movies don't scare me. I've seen real horror and it doesn't compare.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cp>What does an 83-year-old woman who surfs the cold waters of San Francisco’s Ocean Beach have in common with a Buddhist monk hiking through the Himalayas?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They’re both people who author \u003ca href=\"http://jaimalyogis.com\">Jaimal Yogis\u003c/a> encounters as he scours the planet looking for the secrets to internal happiness. Yogis is a San Francisco-based surfer, journalist and meditation teacher, whose new book, \u003ca href=\"http://www.jaimalyogis.com/allourwaves/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">“All Our Waves Are Water,”\u003c/a> chronicles his quest for the perfect wave, and for an internal life that can weather storms, lulls and thrilling rides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/author/sasha-khokha/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sasha Khokha\u003c/a>, host of \u003cem>The California Report Magazine,\u003c/em> sat down to talk with with Yogis about surfing Mavericks, the origins behind his name and how the ocean became his Zen master.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618681\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11618681\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut-520x347.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26897_IMG_0196-qut.jpg 1100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yogis has surfed all over the world, and now calls San Francisco’s Ocean Beach home. \u003ccite>(Peter Dawson)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>This book chronicles your travels to places like Mexico, Bali and the Himalayas, and explores what surfing and meditation have in common. What is that connection?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is this sort of instant solitude that happens because you can’t bring yourself when you are with the elements. You have to be present because the ocean is very dynamic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So it’s a little bit of a shortcut to some of the states of solitude that you might find in a Zen monastery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>This is a follow-up to your first memoir, \u003ca href=\"http://www.jaimalyogis.com/saltwaterbuddha/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">“Saltwater Buddha,”\u003c/a> about leaving your home and your military family in suburban Sacramento as a teenager, buying a one-way plane ticket to Hawaii without telling your parents, and just going off in search of the wave. Then you spent a year in a Buddhist monastery as a teenager?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618684\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11618684\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26898_IMG_0203-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">When he was 16, Yogis headed to Hawaii, without telling his parents in suburban Sacramento. \u003ccite>(Nahendra Surf Photography)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>When I ran away to Maui I had this vision that surfing in the islands would save me. And when I got there at 16, I had no money. Maybe just enough to buy a surfboard and some avocados. It was hard. And I was lonely. I think you have to bump up against suffering, though, to really want to look deeper into who you are. And so that was sort of my introduction, both to surfing and to sort of a real loneliness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Surfing was my bridge between the temple and the world, because there was this meditative aspect but you’re also getting beat up by the waves.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Surfing is hard and it’s dynamic. You can be getting your face ground into the sand, which doesn’t happen at the monastery! You might get whacked by the Zen master but it’s different. If I can use surfing as a sort of transition between this meditative place and the world, I’ll be in good shape.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>People may be surprised to know that Yogis is your real name even though it sounds so appropriately spiritual. What’s the origin of your name?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s Lithuanian. Lithuanian is strangely the closest European language to Sanskrit. My family became interested in yoga in the ’70s, and then their teacher’s teacher in Boston at the time was named Bob Jaimal Singh. My dad wanted to name me Baba Jaimal.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I understand! My dad is from India, yet I have an Eastern European name.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were meant to do this interview!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Now you’re back in California, across the street from \u003ca href=\"https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ocean+Beach/@37.7526294,-122.5448127,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x8085879469edc663:0x8a1e788f0b2d67fc!8m2!3d37.7593921!4d-122.510734\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ocean Beach\u003c/a>. You’ve got some of these really interesting characters like the \u003ca href=\"https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/07/is-surfing-more-religion-than-sport/533721/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Queen of Ocean Beach\u003c/a>, a very spirited woman surfer who’s in her 80s.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She’s 83 now and she lives on the Great Highway in San Francisco, and she’s still here almost every day on her beach cruiser or she goes to a secret spot and body-surfs without a wet suit. She gets some pretty amazing rides.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618686\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 640px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11618686\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26901_image002-qut.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26901_image002-qut.jpg 640w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26901_image002-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26901_image002-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26901_image002-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26901_image002-qut-520x347.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yogis says surfing has helped him learn to weather life’s waves. \u003ccite>(Peter Dawson)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>I’ve got to ask you about the macho “bro” attitude in surf culture, where people get cuthroat and fight over waves. It’s oftentimes also a very white culture that makes some women and people of color feel left out.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah. You know like anything, a good wave is a rare commodity and there are a lot of surfers who want that wave. So it’s people who are going to compete, and it’s going to bring out sort of that competitive macho culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s one of those things where you can avoid it if you want to surf for just the joy of surfing, and you just have to go to the right spots. Don’t go to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.santacruz.com/guides/santa-cruz-surf-spots\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">point breaks in Santa Cruz\u003c/a> where there’s a bunch of people competing in a small area of water. Go to a beach break where it spreads out. There has been a wonderful rise of great women surfers and more diversity in surfing over the last decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11618687\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-11618687\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-1180x787.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-960x640.jpg 960w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-240x160.jpg 240w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-375x250.jpg 375w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut-520x347.jpg 520w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26903_peterdawson__MG_5235-qut.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Yogis meditates every night with his three kids. \u003ccite>(Peter Dawson)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>So now you are the parent of three small kids. If they’re anything like my kids, I can imagine your home life is not very peaceful. How do you maintain that sense of calm or even find a quiet corner to meditate?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I meditate with them before bed. As they’re falling asleep, I sit with them. Sometimes they fall asleep in five minutes and I get to actually meditate.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then there’s times they’re making me tell them the Giants score for 30 minutes, and I’m saying “shh!” So it just becomes more dynamic. There are more waves. It’s a little more stormy, but I try to surf the ones I can and let the bad ones pass.\u003c/p>\n\n",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So it’s a little bit of a shortcut to some of the states of solitude that you might find in a Zen monastery.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>This is a follow-up to your first memoir, \u003ca href=\"http://www.jaimalyogis.com/saltwaterbuddha/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">“Saltwater Buddha,”\u003c/a> about leaving your home and your military family in suburban Sacramento as a teenager, buying a one-way plane ticket to Hawaii without telling your parents, and just going off in search of the wave. 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It’s oftentimes also a very white culture that makes some women and people of color feel left out.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah. You know like anything, a good wave is a rare commodity and there are a lot of surfers who want that wave. So it’s people who are going to compete, and it’s going to bring out sort of that competitive macho culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s one of those things where you can avoid it if you want to surf for just the joy of surfing, and you just have to go to the right spots. Don’t go to the \u003ca href=\"http://www.santacruz.com/guides/santa-cruz-surf-spots\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">point breaks in Santa Cruz\u003c/a> where there’s a bunch of people competing in a small area of water. Go to a beach break where it spreads out. 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This is Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Welcome to Section 149.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[audio src=\"https://www.kqed.org/.stream/anon/radio/tcrmag/2017/09/2017-09-22e-tcrmag.mp3\" Image=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/09/RS26911_image002-1-qut.jpg\" Title=\"Meet the Heartbeat of the Oakland A’s\" program=\"The California Report\"]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Gotta support the team,” says Bryanne Aler-Ningas, the unofficial bandleader of the right field rhythm section. “Our atmosphere here is pretty active, pretty festive. So it’s always a party and that's what attracted me. I've been here all my life.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aler-Ningas was born and raised in Oakland and used to come to the games as a kid with his grandparents, parents and siblings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It's a time-honored tradition that we come out here and support the team,\" he says proudly. \"I remember doing our homework in the parking lot before we went in.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The drum beating is said to have begun in the early 2000s, with a small group of college-age fans who drummed in \u003cem>left\u003c/em> field.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They were the originals,” says Will MacNeil, Section 149’s longest-running flag-waver and fill-in drummer. “Our group started bringing the drums about 2006, 2007, and they've been banging away ever since. I can’t complain. They help bring a lot of atmosphere to this place.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MacNeil has been an A’s fan his entire life, too, even though he says his family wasn’t sure how that happened. “All my family is Giants fans. So I'm the outcast of the family,” he laughs. “I loved the colors. That's what hooked me to them. I'm not black and orange. 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She loved the Twins, but the A’s eventually won her over. “The A's have a unique character. They have a kind of ‘do-it-yourself’ almost punk quality to them,” she says earnestly. “Also it's just a very fun place. The team, the players and the fans seem to sort of all have a spirit that matches each other.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s that welcoming spirit and underdog tale that many A’s fans say drew them to the team in the first place.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We came up with the ‘I believe in Stephen Vogt’ chant up here. It's kind of like the U.S. men's soccer team chant,” explains Aler-Ningas.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vogt does have a Cinderella story. He was called to the majors in 2013 after spending six seasons in the minors. By the time the A’s bought the 29-year-old rookie’s contract for $150,000, Vogt’s Major League batting stats were a painful 0 for 32. He wasn’t doing well. But with the A’s, he did. 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