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But no, I can’t see ghosts. Sadly.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The diagnosis came when he was a teenager, from visits to psychiatrists and psychologists. That was followed by dark times, which included depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts as he struggled with his own preconceived notions around schizoaffective disorder and mental illness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I was one of those people that had this perspective of, ‘these people are crazy, these people are dangerous, these people are delusional, you got to be away from them,'” he recalls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Talking openly about his condition and his treatment – which includes medicine and therapy – and then winning the NPR contest has also helped his family, he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After NPR gave Vargas Arango the news, he calls his parents to tell them. Through tears, his mom, Olga Arango, tells him in Spanish that she’s crying from joy, from happiness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“She says she admires me,” Vargas Arango translates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>His mom says hearing about his podcast and his success has changed her perception of mental illness: “I know that God gave me a really beautiful person, and everyday I tell him not to change.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Not changing, Michael says, is the biggest lesson he learned in telling his story. He says he’s no longer scared to tell people who he really is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You need to be honest. You need to embrace who you are and what you’re living with. Everyone’s going through their own stuff.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Listen to Michael’s podcast \u003ca href=\"https://on.soundcloud.com/HGcXgHmoQzf6zSrd9\">here\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>If you or someone you know may be considering suicide, contact the \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://988lifeline.org/\">\u003cem>988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> by dialing 9-8-8, or the \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"http://www.crisistextline.org/\">\u003cem>Crisis Text Line\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> by texting HOME to 741741.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Michael Vargas Arango has a rare mental health condition. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was a big deal for him to tell her. He was living in a foreign city, speaking his second language, far from his family back in Colombia, and Pella would be the first person outside of his family he’d told.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The conversation went well, and Pella was understanding, curious, and loving. But she had one request: \u003cem>Don’t tell my friends.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She says she was worried that they would judge him and even judge her. “‘Like, why are you dating this guy?’ I was scared,” she says, “and I wanted to protect him, too.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cstrong>“I’m gonna show you how it is.”\u003c/strong>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63714\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-63714\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-800x600.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1020x765.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-160x120.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-768x576.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-2048x1535.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/emuzca-tegui_mvargas_3822-4a774c13f4533c411ef00da27d9983ebb0354b3d-1920x1439.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Vargas Arango, 22, is a second-year student at Miami Dade College, studying business and psychology. \u003ccite>(Eva Marie Uzcategui for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Pella’s request didn’t sit well with Vargas Arango. “You don’t wanna know?” he recalls thinking, “I’m gonna show you how it is.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, he didn’t just want to tell his girlfriend and her friends. He wanted to show everyone what it was like living in his head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Using his own voice, interviews and layers of sound design, he crafted the podcast that won NPR’s competition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vargas Arango’s podcast starts with an exchange between himself and the voice in his head: “Why would you tell them I exist? They won’t understand.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He responds, “You’re giving me a headache. Can you shut up for a second?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then, Vargas Arango addresses the listener: “This is how I’ve been living my whole life. But you’re probably wondering: What is this guy talking about? Who is he even talking to? Well, let me explain.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>He explores what it’s like to live with schizoaffective disorder, a chronic mental health condition where a person experiences symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorders like depression. 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Because they think that you’re hearing these voices to try to go hurt someone,” he says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“That’s not what I hear,” he adds. “That’s not how it works.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This openness is pretty radical for Vargas Arango. His family back in Colombia didn’t really talk about mental health, and, as a kid, his schizoaffective disorder presented itself as “imaginary friends.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_63718\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-63718\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-800x533.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-800x533.jpeg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-1020x680.jpeg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-160x107.jpeg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-768x512.jpeg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit-1536x1023.jpeg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/05/pod-edit.jpeg 1600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Vargas Arango shows his home recording setup in his Miami apartment. \u003ccite>(Eva Marie Uzcategui for NPR)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“You can probably imagine what the reaction of my Colombian religious mother was,” he says in the podcast. “She thought I could see a ghost or something. 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Here’s what he came up with.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Michael. Michael. Why would you tell them I exist? They won’t understand.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: What resulted became a podcast called “The Monsters We Create.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: Stop. You’re giving me a headache. Can you shut up for a second?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, I won’t.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thank you. This is how I’ve been living my whole life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Liar.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But you’re probably wondering, what is this guy talking about? Who’s he even talking to? Well, let me explain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: Michael explores what it’s like to live with schizoaffective disorder, a chronic mental health condition where a person experiences symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and mood disorders like depression. It’s rare. 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I sometimes hear my name being called multiple times and this and that and that and that and that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: In the podcast, Michael plays with sound effects and echoes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I’m not delusional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>No, you’re not.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: But it’s not always to illustrate his experience. He often uses that echo to reflect the way people imagine the voices he hears.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: If you hear the voice responding to what I’m talking like…\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: He pulls up a few spots in the podcast to illustrate this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I just had an imaginary friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Imaginary friend.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What is this? What is wrong with me?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What do you mean wrong?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s never something that I hear. That’s somehow a way to make fun of the prejudice that people have about people with these kind of conditions because they think that you’re hearing (speaking Spanish). You’re hearing these voices to try to go hurt someone, like, inviting you, let’s say, asking you to go hurt someone. That’s not what you hear. That’s not how it works.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: This openness – it’s pretty radical for Michael. His family back in Colombia – they didn’t talk about mental health. And as a kid, his schizoaffective disorder presented as imaginary friends. Here’s how he explains it in the podcast.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF PODCAST, “THE MONSTERS WE CREATE”)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: You can probably imagine what the reaction of my Colombian religious mother was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>OLGA ARANGO: (Speaking Spanish).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: “This kid is possessed.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: His mother, Olga Arango, brought him to a local priest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: She thought I could see ghosts or something. But, hey, don’t get me wrong. It would be a super cool power.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah, it would.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But no, I can’t see ghosts, sadly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: The diagnosis came when he was a teenager with visits to psychiatrists and psychologists. That was followed by dark times, depression and anxiety. Michael also struggled with his own misperceptions and prejudices around schizoaffective disorder and mental health.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VARGAS ARANGO: I was one of those people that had this kind of perspective of, these people are crazy. These people are dangerous. You are delusional. You’ve got to be, like, away from them. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NADWORNY: All of this comes through in his podcast, which our judges chose from hundreds of entries from all over the country. Our judges praised his vulnerability in telling his story. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cem>You’re reading the Consider This newsletter, which unpacks one major news story each day. \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/newsletter/consider-this\">\u003cem>Subscribe here\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem> to get it delivered to your inbox, and listen to more from the \u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510355/considerthis\">\u003cem>Consider This podcast\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\">\u003c/figure>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>1. The 2024 protests have an “uncanny” resemblance to the 1968 student protests.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>From coast to coast, dozens of universities are seeing pro-Palestinian protests and encampments on campuses across the U.S.:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Boston police took down a pro-Palestinian encampment at Emerson College, clashing with protesters and taking more than 100 into custody.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>In just the past two weeks, at least\u003cstrong> 800 people have been arrested\u003c/strong> on college campuses, with \u003cstrong>some students facing suspension.\u003c/strong> Some universities are grappling with whether to proceed with upcoming graduation ceremonies.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>The University of Southern California put out a statement recently canceling its main graduation ceremony due to “safety measures.”\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>The last time the U.S. saw such fervor over protests on college campuses was some five decades ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Frank Guridy is a professor of history at Columbia University, where roughly a hundred students have been arrested.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guridy teaches a class about the 1968 protests against the Vietnam war that took place on Columbia’s campus. He teaches in one of the buildings that students occupied in 1968 – Fayerweather Hall.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“As in 1968, the Columbia students of 2024 are absolutely galvanized by what’s transpiring in Gaza, in the Middle East,” Guridy said in an interview with NPR.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In that sense, it is an uncanny resemblance to what transpired in the late sixties in this country, where U.S. students and other people in this country were inspired to speak out and mobilize against what they saw as an unjust war in Vietnam.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>2. Parallels and differences.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>In Guridy’s class, students read historical texts that put the 1968 protests in a larger historical context. Students visit archives at Columbia and other parts of the city. At the end of the semester, they complete a research paper on what they’ve learned about the 1968 student protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Students on this campus, a generation of students who have no direct connection to ’68. Yet what they see in it is as a source of inspiration,” Guridy said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A key similarity between the protests of 1968 and 2024 are the calls for divestment.\u003cstrong> In the ’60s, students at college campuses tried to get their administrations to divest from the defense industry or anything connected to the war in Vietnam.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Guridy adds that the strategy of divestment has a long history that can even be traced back to the 1930s, when people were calling for the boycotting of Nazi Germany.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Today’s students are also targeting the financial choices made by their administrations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Two of the main differences: the U.S. doesn’t have boots on the ground in Gaza, and American college students aren’t facing the draft.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The draft was a real reality, including for privileged college students in the late 1960s. And so the sense of urgency was slightly different for the college students and the antiwar movement at that time,” says Guridy.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3>\u003cstrong>3. Lessons learned from 1968 protests.\u003c/strong>\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>Several student activists who spoke to NPR cited the organizing of students in 1968 as \u003cstrong>inspiration for their own movements.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Matthew Vickers, a junior at Occidental College in Los Angeles is one of the many students to set up encampments protesting Israel’s war in Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Most of the Palestinian solidarity movement has taken direct tactical and moral inspiration from the movements of the sixties. I think the parallels cannot be more obvious,” said Vickers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alifa Chowdhury is a junior at the University of Michigan, and one of the protest organizers on her campus. \u003cstrong>Their encampment on the Diag is on the exact spot where students in the Sixties marched against the Vietnam War.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So we’re building on things that have been done before, this is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest history today,\u003cem>” \u003c/em>said Chowdhury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early this morning, the quad at the center of Occidental College got some new residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MATTHEW VICKERS: And here at this side of the encampment we have 17 four-person tents. There are a lot of people out here – I would say over 30 people already here at 5:14 a.m. It’s very optimistic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers is a junior at Occidental, a small college in LA. He’s one of many students on dozens of campuses all over the country to set up encampments protesting Israel’s war in Gaza. Well, the protests only grew over the weekend, and so did the police response, with more than 200 people arrested nationwide on Saturday. Now, these protests are very much of this moment, and yet they echo another moment of political upheaval more than 50 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: Most of the Palestinian solidarity movement have taken direct tactical and sort of moral inspiration from the movements of the ’60s. I think the parallels cannot be more obvious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers again at Occidental College, which, like so many campuses, saw major protests during the Vietnam War. In April of 1969, hundreds of students protested military recruiters on Occidental’s campus, and dozens occupied an administration building just a stone’s throw from the current encampment. Vickers says he also drew inspiration from another moment the following year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RICHARD NIXON: Good evening, my fellow Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This is Richard Nixon in 1970, announcing that the Vietnam War would be expanded into Cambodia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NIXON: In cooperation with the armed forces of South Vietnam, attacks are being launched this week to clean out major enemy sanctuaries on the Cambodian-Vietnam Border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: In the following days, millions of students on campuses nationwide protested Nixon’s decision. It was during these demonstrations that four students were killed by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: And that was followed by thousands of arrests, similar to this moment. That goes to show that if we are willing to do something for others, for Palestinians, we can do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This parallel between today’s protests and those of the late ’60s – it’s being repeated over and over across the country. At the University of Michigan, pro-Palestinian protesters are camped out on an open space called the Diag, and they do not plan on leaving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALIFA CHOWDHURY: It’s like, are you camping forever? And we’re like, I guess.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Alifa Chowdhury is a junior at Michigan, one of the protest’s organizers. Their encampment on the Diag is on the exact spot where students in the ’60s marched against the Vietnam War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CHOWDHURY: So we’re building on things that have been done before. This is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest issue today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Same goes for students at UNC Chapel Hill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LILY: Just like during Vietnam right now is this, like, unearthing moment where we’re turning over the topsoil, and we’re getting to see the ideology that lives within university administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Lily is a senior at UNC who’s helping to organize students on campus, and she asked that we use just her first name for security concerns. There have been reasons for students to be careful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(CROSSTALK)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: That’s the sound of police clashing with protesters at USC, UT Austin and Emory University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: CONSIDER THIS – American college campuses are seeing the biggest student protests since the Vietnam War. So what do campus protests of today have in common with those of the ’60s, and what might we learn from the way that movement played out?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: From NPR, I’m Mary Louise Kelly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: It’s CONSIDER THIS FROM NPR. Over the past two weeks, at least 800 people have been arrested on college campuses around the country. That police response is familiar for those who experienced the campus protests of the late 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TOM HORWITZ: They felt that the way to get us out of the buildings was to beat us up on the way out. So there was a lot of blood and a lot of hurt people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Tom Horwitz was a student at Columbia University in the spring of 1968, when that campus got turned upside down by student protests. He spent six days occupying the mathematics building with fellow students before police violently cleared out the protesters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: (Chanting) No violence, no violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: The protests at Columbia that year became a flashpoint for the student activist movement around the country. And this spring, too, Columbia was one of the first sparks of the broader student movement we are seeing now after an encampment on Columbia’s campus was dispersed by police and then reassembled by students. Horwitz sees his generation’s campus protest reflected in current students, and he has this advice for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HORWITZ: It’s important to keep key simple truths of your position and say it clearly and articulately and nonviolently – the simple truth that the projection of military might in order to solve problems is almost always a terrible thing. And we see it in Gaza, and we saw it in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: There is one place in particular where the protests of the ’60s and the protests of today collide – inside the classroom of Professor Frank Guridy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FRANK GURIDY: The parallels and the comparisons are inevitable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Guridy is a professor of history at Columbia. He’s currently teaching an undergrad research seminar about the 1968 protests on campus and in a fitting setting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes, I teach the course at Fayerweather Hall, which was one of the buildings that was occupied in 1968 by students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: And not far from the encampment on campus today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: As in 1968, the Columbia students of 2024 are absolutely galvanized by what’s transpiring in Gaza in the Middle East. And in that sense, it is uncanny resemblance to what transpired in the late ’60s in this country, where U.S. students and other people in this country were inspired to speak out and mobilize against what they saw as an unjust war in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: You just described students as absolutely galvanized. And I am curious how cohesive or not student views today versus then are. You know, of course, today we’re seeing counterprotests at some campuses, including Columbia – range of student views all over the place. It was the same during Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No doubt. I think that’s the thing. I mean, I think, as we get distant from Vietnam, I think there’s this growing perception I detect that somehow there was a widespread support for the antiwar movement. And there was not. So in that sense, this campus, just like the country, was absolutely polarized in 1968 as it is in 2024, and I think that’s an absolute similarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: I have been struck by another similarity between ’68 and today, and this is the calls for universities to divest. In the ’60s, students were trying to get their administrations to divest from the defense industry or anything connected to the war in Vietnam. Today’s students are also targeting the financial choices made by their institutions. What do you see as similarities, parallels there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No question, right? So in ’68, the students were galvanized against the war, were targeting all sorts of things – everything from CIA recruitment and military recruitment on campus to the university’s affiliation with the Institute for Defense Analysis, which was a research arm that was facilitating military research at the time. And so yes, they were very much directed towards – one of the major goals of the protest was to get Columbia to disaffiliate with defense research at that time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And yet divestment is a strategy that predates ’68, as we know. I mean, any historian of social movements would tell you that it was very active in the movement against the Nazis around the world in the 1930s. People were calling for boycotting Nazi Germany at that time, including on this campus. So there’s a longer history of divestment. And, of course, that goes after ’68 – when we look at the antiapartheid movement in South Africa in the 1980s – that, you know, Columbia has a long history of divestment activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: So let me raise the perhaps starkest difference between now and then, which is the U.S. doesn’t have boots on the ground in Gaza. There’s no American college student facing a draft. It doesn’t exist. How does that change the conversation?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yeah. No, that’s a huge difference. The draft was a real reality, including for privileged college students in the late 1960s. And so, you know, the sense of urgency was slightly different for the college students in the antiwar movement at that time. And so yes – but I think because the U.S. is directly involved in both wars – in the Gaza War, supporting Israel and, of course, in supporting the South Vietnamese government against the Northern Vietnam communist government – you know, in some ways, that strikes me as being more similar than different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So even if the prospect of troops landing in the Middle East is not evident, at least not at this point, I think the sense of urgency is very much there because of the way in which the Gaza-Israel question, you know, plays out domestically here and on this campus in particular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: As someone teaching the history to current students, I am curious. Is there consensus that the 1968 protests directly influenced U.S. policy when the U.S., as we know, didn’t get out of Vietnam until 1975 – seven years after the 1968 protests?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes. You’re stepping into a long debate about what ’68 means – a debate that we historians still have now. In fact, when we had our 50th anniversary conference in 2018, we had a panel looking back at ’68. And one of my colleagues was saying, like, wow, you know, ’68 didn’t really deliver the things that the protesters wanted. That’s a fair point. I think that’s absolutely true. But as a social movement historian, you’d be hard-pressed to find any case of a dramatic political social change that didn’t have a social movement behind it. And so even though it took five more years or so for the Vietnam War to end, you know, the power of those social movements is undeniable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so in my mind, the ’68 protests at Columbia were overwhelmingly positive. Now, I know there are many alums who would disagree with me (laughter). But I think that, as a whole, the university, you know, turned out to be a more welcoming place even though there are plenty of people who really lamented what transpired and felt that the students were really trying to destroy the university. I happen to disagree with that argument. But I think that, for Colombia, you know, even though the central administration really has never publicly acknowledged ’68 in any significant way, I would argue that it actually produced a better campus environment for the students – subsequent generation of students than what existed before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Are you optimistic that that may be the case for 2024 – that these protests may ultimately result in a better Columbia and better colleges and universities across the country?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: I’m not so sure, Mary Louise, I have to say, because I’m a little worried about the way in which our university leadership has responded to the protests. I mean, right now, our campus is still on edge, you know, and it’s not clear how this is going to wind up. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“So we’re building on things that have been done before, this is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest history today,\u003cem>” \u003c/em>said Chowdhury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"npr-transcript\">\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Transcript:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Early this morning, the quad at the center of Occidental College got some new residents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>MATTHEW VICKERS: And here at this side of the encampment we have 17 four-person tents. There are a lot of people out here – I would say over 30 people already here at 5:14 a.m. It’s very optimistic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers is a junior at Occidental, a small college in LA. He’s one of many students on dozens of campuses all over the country to set up encampments protesting Israel’s war in Gaza. Well, the protests only grew over the weekend, and so did the police response, with more than 200 people arrested nationwide on Saturday. Now, these protests are very much of this moment, and yet they echo another moment of political upheaval more than 50 years ago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: Most of the Palestinian solidarity movement have taken direct tactical and sort of moral inspiration from the movements of the ’60s. I think the parallels cannot be more obvious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Matthew Vickers again at Occidental College, which, like so many campuses, saw major protests during the Vietnam War. In April of 1969, hundreds of students protested military recruiters on Occidental’s campus, and dozens occupied an administration building just a stone’s throw from the current encampment. Vickers says he also drew inspiration from another moment the following year.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>RICHARD NIXON: Good evening, my fellow Americans.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This is Richard Nixon in 1970, announcing that the Vietnam War would be expanded into Cambodia.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>NIXON: In cooperation with the armed forces of South Vietnam, attacks are being launched this week to clean out major enemy sanctuaries on the Cambodian-Vietnam Border.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: In the following days, millions of students on campuses nationwide protested Nixon’s decision. It was during these demonstrations that four students were killed by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>VICKERS: And that was followed by thousands of arrests, similar to this moment. That goes to show that if we are willing to do something for others, for Palestinians, we can do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: This parallel between today’s protests and those of the late ’60s – it’s being repeated over and over across the country. At the University of Michigan, pro-Palestinian protesters are camped out on an open space called the Diag, and they do not plan on leaving.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>ALIFA CHOWDHURY: It’s like, are you camping forever? And we’re like, I guess.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Alifa Chowdhury is a junior at Michigan, one of the protest’s organizers. Their encampment on the Diag is on the exact spot where students in the ’60s marched against the Vietnam War.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>CHOWDHURY: So we’re building on things that have been done before. This is not a new phenomenon. We stand on that protest issue today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Same goes for students at UNC Chapel Hill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>LILY: Just like during Vietnam right now is this, like, unearthing moment where we’re turning over the topsoil, and we’re getting to see the ideology that lives within university administration.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Lily is a senior at UNC who’s helping to organize students on campus, and she asked that we use just her first name for security concerns. There have been reasons for students to be careful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(CROSSTALK)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: That’s the sound of police clashing with protesters at USC, UT Austin and Emory University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: CONSIDER THIS – American college campuses are seeing the biggest student protests since the Vietnam War. So what do campus protests of today have in common with those of the ’60s, and what might we learn from the way that movement played out?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: From NPR, I’m Mary Louise Kelly.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: It’s CONSIDER THIS FROM NPR. Over the past two weeks, at least 800 people have been arrested on college campuses around the country. That police response is familiar for those who experienced the campus protests of the late 1960s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>TOM HORWITZ: They felt that the way to get us out of the buildings was to beat us up on the way out. So there was a lot of blood and a lot of hurt people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Tom Horwitz was a student at Columbia University in the spring of 1968, when that campus got turned upside down by student protests. He spent six days occupying the mathematics building with fellow students before police violently cleared out the protesters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: (Chanting) No violence, no violence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: The protests at Columbia that year became a flashpoint for the student activist movement around the country. And this spring, too, Columbia was one of the first sparks of the broader student movement we are seeing now after an encampment on Columbia’s campus was dispersed by police and then reassembled by students. Horwitz sees his generation’s campus protest reflected in current students, and he has this advice for them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>HORWITZ: It’s important to keep key simple truths of your position and say it clearly and articulately and nonviolently – the simple truth that the projection of military might in order to solve problems is almost always a terrible thing. And we see it in Gaza, and we saw it in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: There is one place in particular where the protests of the ’60s and the protests of today collide – inside the classroom of Professor Frank Guridy.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>FRANK GURIDY: The parallels and the comparisons are inevitable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: Guridy is a professor of history at Columbia. He’s currently teaching an undergrad research seminar about the 1968 protests on campus and in a fitting setting.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes, I teach the course at Fayerweather Hall, which was one of the buildings that was occupied in 1968 by students.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: And not far from the encampment on campus today.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: As in 1968, the Columbia students of 2024 are absolutely galvanized by what’s transpiring in Gaza in the Middle East. And in that sense, it is uncanny resemblance to what transpired in the late ’60s in this country, where U.S. students and other people in this country were inspired to speak out and mobilize against what they saw as an unjust war in Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: You just described students as absolutely galvanized. And I am curious how cohesive or not student views today versus then are. You know, of course, today we’re seeing counterprotests at some campuses, including Columbia – range of student views all over the place. It was the same during Vietnam.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No doubt. I think that’s the thing. I mean, I think, as we get distant from Vietnam, I think there’s this growing perception I detect that somehow there was a widespread support for the antiwar movement. And there was not. So in that sense, this campus, just like the country, was absolutely polarized in 1968 as it is in 2024, and I think that’s an absolute similarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: I have been struck by another similarity between ’68 and today, and this is the calls for universities to divest. In the ’60s, students were trying to get their administrations to divest from the defense industry or anything connected to the war in Vietnam. Today’s students are also targeting the financial choices made by their institutions. What do you see as similarities, parallels there?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: No question, right? So in ’68, the students were galvanized against the war, were targeting all sorts of things – everything from CIA recruitment and military recruitment on campus to the university’s affiliation with the Institute for Defense Analysis, which was a research arm that was facilitating military research at the time. And so yes, they were very much directed towards – one of the major goals of the protest was to get Columbia to disaffiliate with defense research at that time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And yet divestment is a strategy that predates ’68, as we know. I mean, any historian of social movements would tell you that it was very active in the movement against the Nazis around the world in the 1930s. People were calling for boycotting Nazi Germany at that time, including on this campus. So there’s a longer history of divestment. And, of course, that goes after ’68 – when we look at the antiapartheid movement in South Africa in the 1980s – that, you know, Columbia has a long history of divestment activism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: So let me raise the perhaps starkest difference between now and then, which is the U.S. doesn’t have boots on the ground in Gaza. There’s no American college student facing a draft. It doesn’t exist. How does that change the conversation?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yeah. No, that’s a huge difference. The draft was a real reality, including for privileged college students in the late 1960s. And so, you know, the sense of urgency was slightly different for the college students in the antiwar movement at that time. And so yes – but I think because the U.S. is directly involved in both wars – in the Gaza War, supporting Israel and, of course, in supporting the South Vietnamese government against the Northern Vietnam communist government – you know, in some ways, that strikes me as being more similar than different.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So even if the prospect of troops landing in the Middle East is not evident, at least not at this point, I think the sense of urgency is very much there because of the way in which the Gaza-Israel question, you know, plays out domestically here and on this campus in particular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>KELLY: As someone teaching the history to current students, I am curious. Is there consensus that the 1968 protests directly influenced U.S. policy when the U.S., as we know, didn’t get out of Vietnam until 1975 – seven years after the 1968 protests?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>GURIDY: Yes. You’re stepping into a long debate about what ’68 means – a debate that we historians still have now. In fact, when we had our 50th anniversary conference in 2018, we had a panel looking back at ’68. And one of my colleagues was saying, like, wow, you know, ’68 didn’t really deliver the things that the protesters wanted. That’s a fair point. I think that’s absolutely true. But as a social movement historian, you’d be hard-pressed to find any case of a dramatic political social change that didn’t have a social movement behind it. And so even though it took five more years or so for the Vietnam War to end, you know, the power of those social movements is undeniable.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so in my mind, the ’68 protests at Columbia were overwhelmingly positive. Now, I know there are many alums who would disagree with me (laughter). But I think that, as a whole, the university, you know, turned out to be a more welcoming place even though there are plenty of people who really lamented what transpired and felt that the students were really trying to destroy the university. I happen to disagree with that argument. 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This placement is no accident, said\u003c/span> \u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bridgette Murray, a retired nurse and local community leader: “\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The highway plan in the 1950s was used to divide communities of color.” Today, an estimated 300,000 vehicles stream by on a daily basis, she said. The neighborhood is also close to the Houston Ship Channel, exposing it to heavy industrial pollution. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But state air monitoring stations aren’t placed to capture all the hazards concentrated in that small area. So Murray’s group, ACTS (Achieving Community Tasks Successfully), has been partnering for almost a decade with urban planning expert Robert Bullard at Texas Southern University, to do their own air quality monitoring. 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He said scientists and communities need each other.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Our climate scientists are great at science, but not good translators when it comes to taking that data to people,” he said. “We need the principle of environmental justice embedded in our climate policies. The overarching principle is that the people who are most impacted must speak for themselves and must be in those rooms and at those tables when decisions are being made about their lives.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“It’s a mutual respect,” Murray said of the relationship between her group and the Texas Southern researchers. “You have to have a partner that respects the ideas you are bringing to the table and also allows you to grow.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bullard is co-founder, with Beverly Wright, of the HBCU Climate Change Consortium, which brings together historically black universities and community-based organizations in what Wright has termed the “communiversity” model. There are partnerships like the one in Houston all over the South: Dillard and Xavier Universities, in New Orleans, working on wetlands restoration and equitable recovery from storms; Jackson State is working in Gulfport, Mississippi, on legacy pollution; and Florida A&M in Pensacola on the issue of landfills and borrow pits (holes dug to extract sand and clay that are then used as landfill).\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Bullard said it’s no accident that so many HBCUs are involved in this work. “Black colleges and universities historically combined the idea of using education for advancement and liberation, with the struggle for civil rights.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">When these partnerships go smoothly, Bullard said, universities provide community-based organizations with access to data and help advocating for themselves; students and scholars get opportunities to do applied research with a clear social mission.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">A lot of growth is happening in environmental justice right now. ACTS’ $500,000 EPA grant is part of what the\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/environmentaljustice/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> White House touts as\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> “\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the most ambitious environmental justice agenda ever undertaken by the Federal Government.” Notably, President Biden’s \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.whitehouse.gov/environmentaljustice/justice40/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Justice40 initiative \u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">decrees that 40% of all federal dollars allocated to climate change, clean energy, and related policy goals flow to communities like Pleasantville: marginalized, underserved and systematically overburdened by pollution. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Expanding on this model, the EPA has allocated \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.epa.gov/environmentaljustice/environmental-justice-thriving-communities-technical-assistance-centers\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">$177 million\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> to 16 “Environmental Justice Thriving Communities Technical Assistance Centers” — a mix of nonprofits and universities that will help groups like ACTS get federal grants to achieve their goals. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">But, warned Bullard, all the new funding might cause a gold rush, raising the danger of attracting bad actors. Sometimes, he said, universities act like “grant-writing mills,” exploiting communities without sharing the benefits. “You parachute in, you mine the data, you leave and the community doesn’t know what hit them. That is not authentic partnership.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Murray, at ACTS, has seen that kind of behavior herself. “A one-sided relationship where they came in to take information,” she recalled. “The paper was written, the accolades [for researchers] happen, and the community is just like it was, with no ability to address anything.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">It takes sensitivity and hard work to overcome what can be a long history of town-gown tensions between universities and local communities. “You have to earn trust,” said Bullard. “Trust is not given by a memorandum of understanding.” One way to break down barriers is to make sure that all participants — whether they have a GED or a PhD — share the air equitably at meetings between researchers and community leaders. And those meetings might be held in the evenings or on weekends, because community groups are often run by volunteers. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Denae King, a PhD toxicologist, works with Bullard as an associate director at the Bullard Center. She said she’s always looking for a chance to give space to community partners like ACTS, and reduce or equalize any power dynamic. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">“I just ended a meeting where someone was asking me to put together a proposal to showcase environmental justice at a conference,” she said. “Before I would be willing to do that, I want to make sure it’s OK to showcase community leaders in this space. I might split my time in half and we co-present. Or it may look like me helping the community leader to prepare their presentation. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the beginning of each year, researcher and adjunct professor Keith Benson used to pose a question to his high school students in Camden, New Jersey: “Why are you here?” They usually answered with a predictable chorus: to get an education and get a good job. However, the pathway from education to career may not be so straightforward. According to Benson’s\u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.mdpi.com/2227-7102/12/5/357\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> research\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, which analyzes historical trends, policies and reforms in education, high schools do not adequately prepare students for the realities of tomorrow’s workplaces. Schools emphasize to students that if you get a diploma or degree, “there will be occupational opportunities awaiting you on the other side,” said Benson, who taught high school social studies for 13 years in Camden City School District before becoming an adjunct professor at Rutgers University-Camden. Benson added that it’s common for recent college graduates to end up working in positions that do not require a degree. According to the New York Federal Reserve,\u003c/span> \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:underemployment\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">40% of recent graduates\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> were employed in roles that do not typically require a college degree in 2023. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://ed.buffalo.edu/black-history-ed/programs/conference.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Teaching Black History Conference\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> hosted by the University at Buffalo last summer, Benson brought attention to shortcomings in the current approach to college and career preparation, notably its failure to adequately prepare Black and Latino students for an often unpredictable job market. He said that being real with students about workplace discrimination and economic trends can better prepare young people for their futures after high school. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cb>Discuss workplace discrimination\u003c/b>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If schools aim to prepare students for today’s workplace, they need to discuss racism and discrimination in hiring practices, according to Benson, who pointed out that there has been almost \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2023/01/racial-discrimination-in-hiring-remains-a-persistent-problem-northwestern-study/?fj=1\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">no change in job discrimination since 1968\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Black and Latino students are likely to face challenges in the job market that limit their access to social networks, opportunities and promotions. “Job discrimination, racial bias — it exists throughout the hiring process, even down to details like your name and address, irrespective of your educational achievements,” Benson said. \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One study by Harvard Business School\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> found that Black and Asian students who “whitened” their resumes by taking out references to their race were twice as likely to get interview callbacks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While workplaces need to be pushed to address discriminatory hiring practices, Benson said that high school teachers have a role to play as well. He implored educators to cover the reality of workplace discrimination in their classrooms or college and career centers by sharing recent research. “What we can’t do is ignore it and not be honest with students about what to expect and where the problems lie going forward,” Benson said.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ana Homayoun, an early career development expert and author of \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://anahomayoun.com/erasing-the-finish-line/\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Erasing the Finish Line: The New Blueprint for Success Beyond Grades and College Admission\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, said that educators can \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/62734/when-parents-only-focus-on-college-admissions-essential-skills-can-slip-through-the-cracks\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">support students\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> from marginalized identities by proactively providing resources and support. “Our role as sponsors is really important,” said Homayoun. “That’s a term that I use to describe this idea of creating opportunities for economic growth.” She added that sponsorship includes identifying students that might be facing barriers and leveraging one’s network to give them a leg up.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cb>Prepare students to navigate an unpredictable job market\u003c/b>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even though educational attainment in the U.S. has \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.statista.com/statistics/184260/educational-attainment-in-the-us/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20about%2037.7%20percent,population%20had%20graduated%20from%20college.\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">risen significantly in the past decade\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, recent college graduates are \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/19/college-grads-unemployed-jobs/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">more likely to be unemployed\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. The \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:unemployment\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">latest data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> shows that recent graduates’ unemployment rate is 4.4%, which is higher than the overall joblessness rate and almost double the rate for all college graduates. According to Benson, one contributing factor is that hiring has been undercut by \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/05/why-some-remote-jobs-are-disappearing-while-others-are-hiring-like-crazy.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">corporations seeking cheaper labor abroad\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. “The profit margins are far greater offshore due to a more deregulated economy, allowing for significantly lower labor costs. Environmental regulations, which impact profit, are also less stringent,” he explained. This trend isn’t confined to blue collar jobs. Technology companies, such as IBM, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.seattletimes.com/business/ibm-shifts-center-of-gravity-half-a-world-away-to-india/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">have moved\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> skilled technology jobs overseas to access cheaper labor. Benson urged educators to include topics like offshoring, automation and artificial intelligence in their high school curriculum. For example, students should know that researchers estimate that \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.gao.gov/blog/which-workers-are-most-affected-automation-and-what-could-help-them-get-new-jobs#:~:text=Researchers%20estimate%20that%20anywhere%20from,automation%20will%20affect%20the%20workforce.\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">9% to 47% of jobs could be lost to automation\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> in the future. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">STEM has often been touted as a surefire path to jobs after college, and the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.statista.com/statistics/828915/number-of-stem-degrees-awarded-in-the-us-by-degree-level/#:~:text=In%20the%20school%20year%202020,technology%2C%20engineering%2C%20and%20mathematics.\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">number of students majoring in STEM has risen in response\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. However, U.S. universities produce more STEM graduates than \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://issues.org/stem-workforce-shortage-data-hira/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the number of new jobs projected\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> in those fields over the next ten years. \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://cew.georgetown.edu/about-us/staff/nicole-smith-2/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Nicole Smith\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, a research professor and chief economist at the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce who co-authored a 2023 \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/projections2031/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">report on job projections through 2031\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, said that while STEM jobs may be contracting, on average STEM graduates make more money than other majors. Smith cautioned against chasing the highest paying industry because things are always changing. “The challenge is to figure out not only what you like and what you’re good at, but what is in demand for the marketplace,” she said. She added that jobs that require a human touch, like doctoring, teaching, nursing and psychiatry are unlikely to be outsourced or automated.\u003c/span>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cb>Redefine why college is important\u003c/b>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Given uncertain job prospects, young people may wonder if college – and \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/62829/government-efforts-to-erase-student-loan-debt-have-now-reached-3-6-million-borrowers\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">the debt that often comes with it\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> – is worth it. Smith acknowledged that a person can do well in today’s labor market with only a high school diploma. “We have a very tight labor market that’s sucking up as much labor as it can,” she said. But that won’t always be the case. “The moment that momentum slows, then the first out are those who don’t have the postsecondary education and training… You don’t want to be left without a chair when the music stops.”\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The report that Smith co-authored projects that 72% of jobs will require postsecondary education or training and 42% of all jobs will require at least a bachelor’s degree. For example, an auto mechanic might have only needed a high school diploma 30 years ago, but today’s auto mechanics likely need more. “When the check engine light comes on, it’s a computer that tells you what’s up,” said Smith. 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Schools emphasize to students that if you get a diploma or degree, “there will be occupational opportunities awaiting you on the other side,” said Benson, who taught high school social studies for 13 years in Camden City School District before becoming an adjunct professor at Rutgers University-Camden. Benson added that it’s common for recent college graduates to end up working in positions that do not require a degree. According to the New York Federal Reserve,\u003c/span> \u003ca href=\"https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:underemployment\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">40% of recent graduates\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> were employed in roles that do not typically require a college degree in 2023. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://ed.buffalo.edu/black-history-ed/programs/conference.html\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Teaching Black History Conference\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> hosted by the University at Buffalo last summer, Benson brought attention to shortcomings in the current approach to college and career preparation, notably its failure to adequately prepare Black and Latino students for an often unpredictable job market. He said that being real with students about workplace discrimination and economic trends can better prepare young people for their futures after high school. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cb>Discuss workplace discrimination\u003c/b>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">If schools aim to prepare students for today’s workplace, they need to discuss racism and discrimination in hiring practices, according to Benson, who pointed out that there has been almost \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2023/01/racial-discrimination-in-hiring-remains-a-persistent-problem-northwestern-study/?fj=1\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">no change in job discrimination since 1968\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Black and Latino students are likely to face challenges in the job market that limit their access to social networks, opportunities and promotions. “Job discrimination, racial bias — it exists throughout the hiring process, even down to details like your name and address, irrespective of your educational achievements,” Benson said. \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One study by Harvard Business School\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> found that Black and Asian students who “whitened” their resumes by taking out references to their race were twice as likely to get interview callbacks. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">While workplaces need to be pushed to address discriminatory hiring practices, Benson said that high school teachers have a role to play as well. He implored educators to cover the reality of workplace discrimination in their classrooms or college and career centers by sharing recent research. “What we can’t do is ignore it and not be honest with students about what to expect and where the problems lie going forward,” Benson said.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ana Homayoun, an early career development expert and author of \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://anahomayoun.com/erasing-the-finish-line/\">\u003ci>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Erasing the Finish Line: The New Blueprint for Success Beyond Grades and College Admission\u003c/span>\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, said that educators can \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/mindshift/62734/when-parents-only-focus-on-college-admissions-essential-skills-can-slip-through-the-cracks\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">support students\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> from marginalized identities by proactively providing resources and support. “Our role as sponsors is really important,” said Homayoun. “That’s a term that I use to describe this idea of creating opportunities for economic growth.” She added that sponsorship includes identifying students that might be facing barriers and leveraging one’s network to give them a leg up.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>\u003cb>Prepare students to navigate an unpredictable job market\u003c/b>\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even though educational attainment in the U.S. has \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.statista.com/statistics/184260/educational-attainment-in-the-us/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20about%2037.7%20percent,population%20had%20graduated%20from%20college.\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">risen significantly in the past decade\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, recent college graduates are \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/19/college-grads-unemployed-jobs/\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">more likely to be unemployed\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. 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"content": "\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Example of a hypothetical scattergram showing test scores and grades of past applicants to a college. The dotted lines highlight the average grades and test scores of accepted students. Source: Figure 1 in Tomkins et al, “Showing high-achieving college applicants past admissions outcomes increases undermatching,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Oct 2023\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Many high school students struggle to figure out which of the nation’s \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=1122#:~:text=Among%20Title%20IV%20degree%2Dgranting,and%202%2C637%204%2Dyear%20colleges.\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">2,600\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\"> four-year colleges and universities should be on their lists of reach, target and safety schools. To help with that decision, schools across the country have paid many millions to private companies that display data on the fate of past students. But two recent studies have found that this information could discourage students who might have a shot at the most elite schools.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">One of the most popular data displays in the college application process is a scattergram, which shows the grades and test scores of admitted and rejected students from a student’s own high school at each college. Scattergrams are a bit like looking at horse race results for each school except the names of former classmates aren’t displayed.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62890\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 780px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-62890\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/01/scattergram.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"780\" height=\"445\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/01/scattergram.jpg 780w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/01/scattergram-160x91.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/01/scattergram-768x438.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 780px) 100vw, 780px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Example of a hypothetical scattergram showing test scores and grades of past applicants to a college. The dotted lines highlight the average grades and test scores of accepted students. \u003ccite>(Source: Figure 1 in Tomkins et al, “Showing high-achieving college applicants past admissions outcomes increases undermatching,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Oct 2023)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Academic researchers have been trying to find out how these scattergrams, which have been widely adopted by U.S. high schools over the past two decades, are influencing students. Two separate studies indicate that these information displays are discouraging some teens from applying to the most competitive schools, such as Harvard and Stanford. The researchers found that applications to these schools plummet after students see the scattergrams. At the same time, the researchers note that lower-achieving students tend to benefit from the scattergrams because the data encourages them to aim higher. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The latest study, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2306017120#bibliography\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in October 2023\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, tracked the college applications of 70,000 students at 220 public high schools over five application cycles, from 2014-15 to 2019-20. In the years immediately after a school purchased Naviance, the market leader in scattergrams, 17,000 high achieving students with test scores above 1310 on the SAT (out of 1600 points) or above 29 on the ACT (out of 36 points), were 50% less likely to apply to the most competitive universities and colleges. Consider 100 high-achieving students applying to college: 24 applied to the most competitive schools before the scattergrams, but only 16 of them did afterward.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Among high-achieving students, an unidentified college that had received the third-most applications dropped out of the top 10 after Naviance was introduced. High-achieving students became much more likely to apply to local colleges, which were relatively unpopular choices before Naviance.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sabina Tomkins, an assistant professor at the University of Michigan’s School of Information and lead author of the study, doesn’t know exactly why students were deterred, but she said there are two likely explanations. One is that students are intimidated when they see that their scores are slightly below the average of previously admitted students. Some kids might want to avoid the risk of rejection altogether and play it safe, applying only to places where they’re more likely to be accepted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Another possibility is that the scattergrams have an unintended marketing or advertising effect. Students may feel more motivated to apply to the most popular schools where they see masses of green checks, showing that many previous peers have been admitted. Students can’t see the scattergrams for the least popular schools. To preserve student privacy, high schools commonly suppress scattergrams for schools to which fewer than five or 10 alumni have applied. Small or far-away elite schools can often fall into this suppressed category. “When the school doesn’t show up as a scattergram, it might not cross their mind in the same way it would have before,” said Tomkins. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tomkins only had application data and doesn’t know where students enrolled in college. But if students are applying to fewer elite schools, they’re likely getting into and matriculating at fewer of them too, Tomkins said.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">An earlier study, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/708839\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">published in 2021 in the Journal of Labor Economics\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, also found that Naviance’s scattergrams deterred students from applying to and enrolling in the most selective colleges. That study looked at only 8,000 students at one unidentified school district in the mid-Atlantic region. At the time that study was released, some critics questioned whether the unintended consequences of scattergrams were true nationwide. The larger 2023 study bolsters the evidence that more information isn’t always a good thing for all students.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Importantly, both studies also found that the scattergrams encouraged lower-achieving students. They were more likely to apply to four-year colleges after seeing that their grades and test scores were similar to those of previous students who had been accepted. Before their schools purchased Naviance, more of these students avoided four-year colleges and opted for two-year community colleges instead. A separate body of research has generally found that starting at a four-year college, while more expensive, increases the likelihood of earning a bachelor’s degree and higher wages after graduation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Whether we should care about students attending the most prestigious and elite colleges is a matter of debate. Authors of the 2023 study pointed me to Harvard economist Raj Chetty’s research, which has found that going to an \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/CollegeAdmissions_Nontech.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ivy League university or four other elite colleges\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, instead of a top flagship public college, increases the likelihood of becoming a CEO or a U.S. senator and substantially increases a graduate’s chances of earning in the top 1%. However, attending an Ivy instead of a top public flagship \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/24/upshot/ivy-league-elite-college-admissions.html\">didn’t increase a graduate’s income on average\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The scattergram studies looked only at high schools that had purchased Naviance’s product. The company was the first to market scattergrams to schools in 2002 and says its product reaches nine million of the nation’s 15 million high school students. According to GovSpend, which tracks government contracts, public high schools have spent well over $100 million on Naviance, which, in addition to scattergrams, also allows high school counselors to manage their students’ college applications and send transcripts to colleges. Competitors include Scoir, Ciaflo and MaiaLearning, which all offer similar scattergrams. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">PowerSchool, the company that owns Naviance, points out that analyzing small slices of its customer base, as the academic researchers have, can be misleading. According to the data PowerSchool shared with me, 38% of the six million college applications that flow through its platform each year were sent to “reach” schools, schools where it would be challenging for a student to gain acceptance based on their grades and test scores. A spokesperson said that applications to reach schools have been increasing annually, proof that its product “does not discourage students from applying to their reach or target schools.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The company also highlighted the benefits for lower-achieving students, asserting that the scattergrams “increase equity.” Indeed, the earlier 2021 study found that Black, Hispanic and low-income students were especially more likely to apply to and enroll in four-year colleges after using Naviance.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I talked with a half dozen college counselors who work with high school students and they said they generally didn’t see high-achieving students getting discouraged after \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.aaronbergman.net/p/most-ivy-smart-students-arent-at\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">seeing scattergrams\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. “If anything, I see the opposite,” said Scott White, an independent college counselor in New Jersey and a former high school guidance counselor for over 30 years. “Students are over-applying, not under-applying. They throw in dream applications. If you look at the Naviance scattergrams, they are not in profile. ‘I know I’m not gonna get in there, but I’m gonna apply there anyway.’ That is incredibly common.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amy Thompson, a college counselor at York High School outside of Chicago, told me that the scattergrams are a “big hit” with high school students and get students engaged in the college process because clicking on the data can be fun and even addicting. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Only one counselor told me he had seen a case where a student was discouraged after seeing scattergrams, but he said it was an unusual experience. That doesn’t mean the researchers’ data analysis is wrong. It’s common for data to point out things that we’re not aware of or that we cannot readily see. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The biggest drawback to scattergrams, according to veteran college counselors, is that the information is incomplete and can give students the false sense that admissions decisions at elite schools are primarily based on grades and test scores. The scattergrams don’t show whether a student was an athlete, a musician or from a wealthy family with many generations of alumni. Students might see a green check with a low test score and not appreciate that the student had other factors weighing in his or her favor. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Counselors told me the scattergrams are most useful and accurate for large state schools, where there is a lot of data and the academic range of past admittees helps students identify safety and target schools. The more competitive the college, and the more the college looks at factors other than grades and test scores, the less useful the scattergrams. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And just like the stock market, past performance is no guarantee of future results. Schools fall in and out of favor. What was a safety school one year can unexpectedly rise in selectivity. A school that was once hard to get into can lower its standards in an effort to fill seats.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t know that I care so much about kids not applying to enough Ivy League schools. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Among high-achieving students, an unidentified college that had received the third-most applications dropped out of the top 10 after Naviance was introduced. High-achieving students became much more likely to apply to local colleges, which were relatively unpopular choices before Naviance.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sabina Tomkins, an assistant professor at the University of Michigan’s School of Information and lead author of the study, doesn’t know exactly why students were deterred, but she said there are two likely explanations. One is that students are intimidated when they see that their scores are slightly below the average of previously admitted students. Some kids might want to avoid the risk of rejection altogether and play it safe, applying only to places where they’re more likely to be accepted. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Another possibility is that the scattergrams have an unintended marketing or advertising effect. Students may feel more motivated to apply to the most popular schools where they see masses of green checks, showing that many previous peers have been admitted. Students can’t see the scattergrams for the least popular schools. To preserve student privacy, high schools commonly suppress scattergrams for schools to which fewer than five or 10 alumni have applied. Small or far-away elite schools can often fall into this suppressed category. “When the school doesn’t show up as a scattergram, it might not cross their mind in the same way it would have before,” said Tomkins. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tomkins only had application data and doesn’t know where students enrolled in college. But if students are applying to fewer elite schools, they’re likely getting into and matriculating at fewer of them too, Tomkins said.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">An earlier study, \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/708839\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">published in 2021 in the Journal of Labor Economics\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, also found that Naviance’s scattergrams deterred students from applying to and enrolling in the most selective colleges. That study looked at only 8,000 students at one unidentified school district in the mid-Atlantic region. At the time that study was released, some critics questioned whether the unintended consequences of scattergrams were true nationwide. The larger 2023 study bolsters the evidence that more information isn’t always a good thing for all students.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Importantly, both studies also found that the scattergrams encouraged lower-achieving students. They were more likely to apply to four-year colleges after seeing that their grades and test scores were similar to those of previous students who had been accepted. Before their schools purchased Naviance, more of these students avoided four-year colleges and opted for two-year community colleges instead. A separate body of research has generally found that starting at a four-year college, while more expensive, increases the likelihood of earning a bachelor’s degree and higher wages after graduation. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Whether we should care about students attending the most prestigious and elite colleges is a matter of debate. Authors of the 2023 study pointed me to Harvard economist Raj Chetty’s research, which has found that going to an \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://opportunityinsights.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/CollegeAdmissions_Nontech.pdf\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ivy League university or four other elite colleges\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">, instead of a top flagship public college, increases the likelihood of becoming a CEO or a U.S. senator and substantially increases a graduate’s chances of earning in the top 1%. However, attending an Ivy instead of a top public flagship \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/24/upshot/ivy-league-elite-college-admissions.html\">didn’t increase a graduate’s income on average\u003c/a>. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The scattergram studies looked only at high schools that had purchased Naviance’s product. The company was the first to market scattergrams to schools in 2002 and says its product reaches nine million of the nation’s 15 million high school students. According to GovSpend, which tracks government contracts, public high schools have spent well over $100 million on Naviance, which, in addition to scattergrams, also allows high school counselors to manage their students’ college applications and send transcripts to colleges. Competitors include Scoir, Ciaflo and MaiaLearning, which all offer similar scattergrams. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">PowerSchool, the company that owns Naviance, points out that analyzing small slices of its customer base, as the academic researchers have, can be misleading. According to the data PowerSchool shared with me, 38% of the six million college applications that flow through its platform each year were sent to “reach” schools, schools where it would be challenging for a student to gain acceptance based on their grades and test scores. A spokesperson said that applications to reach schools have been increasing annually, proof that its product “does not discourage students from applying to their reach or target schools.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The company also highlighted the benefits for lower-achieving students, asserting that the scattergrams “increase equity.” Indeed, the earlier 2021 study found that Black, Hispanic and low-income students were especially more likely to apply to and enroll in four-year colleges after using Naviance.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I talked with a half dozen college counselors who work with high school students and they said they generally didn’t see high-achieving students getting discouraged after \u003c/span>\u003ca href=\"https://www.aaronbergman.net/p/most-ivy-smart-students-arent-at\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">seeing scattergrams\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">. “If anything, I see the opposite,” said Scott White, an independent college counselor in New Jersey and a former high school guidance counselor for over 30 years. “Students are over-applying, not under-applying. They throw in dream applications. If you look at the Naviance scattergrams, they are not in profile. ‘I know I’m not gonna get in there, but I’m gonna apply there anyway.’ That is incredibly common.” \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Amy Thompson, a college counselor at York High School outside of Chicago, told me that the scattergrams are a “big hit” with high school students and get students engaged in the college process because clicking on the data can be fun and even addicting. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Only one counselor told me he had seen a case where a student was discouraged after seeing scattergrams, but he said it was an unusual experience. That doesn’t mean the researchers’ data analysis is wrong. It’s common for data to point out things that we’re not aware of or that we cannot readily see. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">The biggest drawback to scattergrams, according to veteran college counselors, is that the information is incomplete and can give students the false sense that admissions decisions at elite schools are primarily based on grades and test scores. The scattergrams don’t show whether a student was an athlete, a musician or from a wealthy family with many generations of alumni. Students might see a green check with a low test score and not appreciate that the student had other factors weighing in his or her favor. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">Counselors told me the scattergrams are most useful and accurate for large state schools, where there is a lot of data and the academic range of past admittees helps students identify safety and target schools. The more competitive the college, and the more the college looks at factors other than grades and test scores, the less useful the scattergrams. \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">And just like the stock market, past performance is no guarantee of future results. Schools fall in and out of favor. What was a safety school one year can unexpectedly rise in selectivity. A school that was once hard to get into can lower its standards in an effort to fill seats.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don’t know that I care so much about kids not applying to enough Ivy League schools. 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"content": "\u003cp>Since the time she was in elementary school, Isabella Cross has dreamed of going to an Ivy League college to become an engineer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in Crossville, her “little no-name town” in East Tennessee, as she describes it, selective universities and colleges rarely came to recruit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a 17-year-old in a rural community, and the daughter of a single parent, “I always kind of felt, like, I wouldn’t say necessarily trapped, but a lot of kids feel trapped,” says Cross. “And a lot of them never get out. They never get to explore and never get to see other things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Cross thinks applying to a top-flight college might be possible after all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recruiters from some of the nation’s most selective universities — MIT, the University of Chicago, Yale — have, for the first time, come to her “little no-name town.” It’s part of an effort by top schools to pay more attention to rural America, where students are less likely than their urban and suburban counterparts to go to college and, if they do, are more likely to drop out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It kind of just felt like they heard us, and they see us, and that they know that there’s a need as well for small-town kids like me to have really big dreams,” says Cross.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The college fair in Crossville this fall was part of a string of events throughout the state, where admissions officers from about a half-dozen of the nation’s most selective universities visited with students and parents. It was among the first by a new consortium called STARS, or Small Town and Rural Students College Network, prompted by a $20 million grant from a University of Chicago trustee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62903\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-62903\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_45-1-_custom-0367a1046cdc6184a31d4546a9a476b8c08a562a.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"260\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_45-1-_custom-0367a1046cdc6184a31d4546a9a476b8c08a562a.jpg 200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_45-1-_custom-0367a1046cdc6184a31d4546a9a476b8c08a562a-160x208.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A poster for the Tristar College Tour on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, at Stone Memorial High School in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It follows a long history of neglect of rural areas by many colleges and universities. Not even public research universities recruit in rural places, a 2019 study by scholars at UCLA and the University of Arizona found, disproportionately favoring\u003ca href=\"https://emraresearch.org/sites/default/files/2019-03/joyce_report.pdf\"> higher-income public and private high schools\u003c/a> in major metropolitan areas. (The study was produced for the Joyce Foundation, which financially supports NPR.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even when they do find their way to these small towns, recruiters are up against increasing reluctance by students and their families to go to four-year institutions, and especially to campuses far away from home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://starscollegenetwork.org/allmembers/\">Sixteen colleges and universities in all\u003c/a> — also including Brown, the California Institute of Technology, Columbia, Northwestern, and the University of Southern California — have signed on to STARS and have agreed to visit rural high schools in exchange for financial help with travel costs and staffing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62904\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-62904\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">School counselor Karen Hicks poses for a photo on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, at Stone Memorial High School in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“They’ve never come and taken an interest in us. But the big thing right now is rural, and they’re finally seeing it, I guess,” says Karen Hicks, lead counselor at Crossville’s Stone Memorial High School, who has been an educator in the city for 36 years. “I love it in the sense that it gives our kids opportunities. I hate that they didn’t see it before.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rural communities can be hard to reach, and often have only small numbers of prospective high school seniors, says Marjorie Betley, senior associate director of admissions at the University of Chicago. She helped organize the STARS project and serves as its executive director.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For recruiters, she says, “driving hours and hours on the road to meet with five students, that’s really hard.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The new initiative comes from a University of Chicago trustee, Byron Trott, who left a small town in Missouri to attend the university, and later created a financial services company. In 2018, he asked Betley how many students at her university came from rural places, as he had.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We couldn’t even answer the question,” Betley recalls. After further inquiry, she realized that, “the numbers were not good.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rural students were about 3% of enrollment at the time, which she says has since increased to 9%. Rural Americans comprise\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-210.html\"> nearly 20%\u003c/a> of the population, the Census Bureau reports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rural students\u003ca href=\"https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/2023/LBA_508c.pdf\"> graduate from high school at a higher rate\u003c/a> (90%) than their counterparts in cities (82%) and suburbs (89%), according to the U.S. Department of Education. But only 55%\u003ca href=\"https://nscresearchcenter.org/high-school-benchmarks/\"> go directly to college\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a smaller proportion than suburban students. It’s also declining, down from\u003ca href=\"https://nscresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2017HSBenchmarksReport-1.pdf\"> 61% in 2016\u003c/a>, the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So rarely do top colleges recruit in rural towns, says Bryan Sexton, a father who came with his son to the college fair in Crossville, that, “you know, when I saw some of the names, I was, like, what are these schools doing here?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A city of\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/crossvillecitytennessee/PST045222\"> 12,470\u003c/a> named for the spot where an old stagecoach road crossed a onetime cattle drivers’ route between Nashville and Knoxville, Crossville is a case study in how rural families aspire to, fret about, and often decide to forgo, college.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62905\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-62905\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An aerial view of Main Street on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Outside the high school’s auditorium, Nae Evans Sims stopped and thought for a moment about the smallest community she’d ever visited as an admissions recruiter for Case Western Reserve University. “Oh, my gosh,” she says. “Probably this one.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alongside representatives from Yale, MIT, the University of Chicago, and other institutions, Sims was arranging brochures on a table in anticipation of the kind of college recruiting fair that – in more populated places – draws throngs of anxious students and their parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Crossville, families from adjoining towns were also invited. In all, 81 students showed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My friends in the cities, their kids start talking about college when they’re freshmen,” says Rob Harrison, a city council member who stopped by. But in Crossville, he says, “a lot of kids don’t even think about the opportunities out there. It’s just not part of the culture.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then again, no one from those elite universities had ever come to Crossville, local educators say, even though the graduation rate from Stone Memorial is\u003ca href=\"http://smhspanthers.ccschools.k12tn.net/academics/smhsprofile.pdf\"> 91%\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of the students here who do continue their education, many attend the community college just across the street, where tuition is free. More than 1 in 10 enroll in a local trade school, the Tennessee College of Applied Technology, and 4% enlist in the military.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That makes Crossville fairly typical of rural places, where residents are less likely to get bachelor’s degrees. Only about 20% of people over age 25 in rural America (and\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/crossvillecitytennessee/PST045222\"> 15% in Crossville\u003c/a>)\u003ca href=\"https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rural-economy-population/employment-education/rural-education\"> have bachelor’s degrees or higher\u003c/a>, compared with \u003ca href=\"https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=27#:~:text=During%20this%20period%2C%20the%20percentage%20of%2025-%20to,higher%20degree%20increased%20from%207%20to%2010%20percent.\">40%\u003c/a> nationally, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. This gap, the Federal Reserve reports,\u003ca href=\"https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/consumer-community-context-201901.pdf\"> has been widening steadily\u003c/a> over the last 50 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That not only contributes to a worsening political and earnings divide between urban and rural America; it limits economic opportunity in rural places.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s essential for rural communities to have a skilled and invested workforce,” says Noa Meyer, president of rootED Alliance, another STARS partner, which puts college and career advisors in rural high schools. “Local businesses need skilled workers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the path to that goal is narrowing. At least a dozen private, nonprofit colleges in rural areas or that serve rural students have closed or announced their closings in the last three years. Public universities in\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/the-shuttering-of-a-rural-university-reveals-a-surprising-source-of-its-financing/\"> rural parts of Kansas, Arkansas\u003c/a> and West Virginia\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/rural-universities-already-few-and-far-between-are-being-stripped-of-majors/\"> are cutting dozens of majors\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others are merging, including in\u003ca href=\"https://www.passhe.edu/SystemRedesign/Pages/redesign.aspx\"> Pennsylvania\u003c/a> and\u003ca href=\"https://vermontstate.edu/about/\"> Vermont\u003c/a>. Spending on higher education\u003ca href=\"https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/state-higher-education-funding-cuts-have-pushed-costs-to-students\"> fell\u003c/a> in 16 of\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/geo-areas/urban-rural/2010-urban-rural.html\"> the 20 most rural states\u003c/a> between 2008 and 2018, when adjusted for inflation, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>About 13 million people now live in\u003ca href=\"https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Education-Deserts-The-Continued-Significance-of-Place-in-the-Twenty-First-Century.pdf\"> higher education “deserts,”\u003c/a> mostly in the Midwest and Great Plains, where the nearest university is beyond a reasonable commute away, the American Council on Education estimates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is a significant untapped talent pool in our rural communities,” says Trott, the founder, chairman, and co-CEO of the banking company BDT & MSD Partners. “Yet rural students often lack access to the resources needed to help set them up for their education, careers, and economic stability.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, as in Crossville, rural students who do go to college generally\u003ca href=\"https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Education-Deserts-The-Continued-Significance-of-Place-in-the-Twenty-First-Century.pdf\"> prefer to stay close to home\u003c/a>, research shows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Even the ones that have the higher scores, that can survive at some of the more prestigious colleges, they like it here, and they don’t necessarily want to leave,” says Laura Kidwell, a counselor at Stone Memorial. “They want to be within driving distance from home and their family and friends and relatives.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aaron Conley is a senior at the school. He says he’s deciding between learning heating, ventilation and air conditioning to start his own HVAC business, or going to college to study physical therapy or nursing. Both of those fields, he notes, require “a lot of college. It’s something that I just don’t know if I want to do for a long period of time like that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If he does go to college, he’d opt for Tennessee Technological University in Cookeville, 30 minutes away. There, he explains, “I can come back and see my family whenever I want.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many parents here don’t want their kids to move away. Some worry that university campuses and faculty in far-flung places are too liberal, and not religious enough, says Hicks, the school counselor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Some of the things that you hear in the news and stuff that happens at different colleges is scary for a conservative family,” Hicks explains. Parents think, ” ‘I have control of you now, and I know your environment, and to send you out to that big world is scary.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amy Beth Strong says she would prefer that her daughter, Ellie Beth, stick around for at least a little while, and maybe start at the local community college after she graduates from Stone Memorial next spring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62906\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-62906\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ellie Beth Strong and her mother Amy Beth Strong pose for a photo together on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, at Stone Memorial High School in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I’m not trying to hold on to them, and I want them to do what they want to do, but I would rather they have a little bit more life experience under their belt,” Strong says, instead of, “throwing them out in the middle of the world and saying, ‘OK, there you go. You’re 18, you’re done.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some rural parents also worry that their children, if they go far away for college, won’t come back, Hicks adds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some Crossville parents are encouraging their reluctant children to go on to further education, however.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tina Carr started college, stopping now and then to earn the money she needed to pay for it. But she never graduated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’ve always regretted not being able to finish,” Carr says. She’s still wearing her scrubs after commuting home from her job in Knoxville as the front-desk coordinator at a surgeon’s office. “I just see where people get stuck in – it’s a bad word to say – but ‘dead-end’ jobs without a college degree.” And while she likes what she does, “I’ve seen a lot of jobs posted throughout the years that I think I could do, but I can’t because I don’t have that degree.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so Carr is pushing her daughter, Kira, to continue her education: “I don’t want her down the line to eventually regret that she didn’t go to college.” Kira Carr wants to go directly into the workforce; she decided to skip the college recruiting fair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another major reason fewer rural high school students go to college is the cost. Median earnings in rural areas are\u003ca href=\"https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rural-economy-population/employment-education/rural-education\"> nearly one-sixth lower\u003c/a> than incomes elsewhere, according to the USDA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Crossville, the median household income\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/crossvillecitytennessee/PST045222\"> is $40,708\u003c/a>, compared with the national median of\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.html\"> $74,580\u003c/a>. More than 20% of the population lives in poverty; 40% of the 1,000 students at the high school\u003ca href=\"https://tdepublicschools.ondemand.sas.com/school/001800079\"> are considered economically disadvantaged\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite their higher graduation rates, rural students often feel that they don’t belong at top colleges. That, along with homesickness and the cost, is among the reasons those who do go are\u003ca href=\"https://nscresearchcenter.org/high-school-benchmarks/\"> more likely to drop out\u003c/a> than their urban and suburban classmates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We do have rural students come in who have that imposter syndrome, with classmates who took 20 [Advanced Placement courses] and their high school didn’t have any,” says Betley, at the University of Chicago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the Stone Memorial recruiting fair, the longest lines were to talk to representatives from the nearby University of Tennessee at Knoxville, Middle Tennessee State University, and Tennessee Tech. 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She says she’s applied to two Christian colleges and the University of Tennessee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After growing up in a small town, “I don’t want to go to a giant university where I’m just another person that you pass by when you’re going to class,” she explains. “I don’t want to have 300 people in my class and have the professor just lecture the whole time. I want to actually get to sit down and talk to the people and get to know everybody.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many students from rural areas have similar concerns, says Corinne Smith, an associate director of admissions at Yale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith is the advisor to the Rural Student Alliance at Yale, formed five years ago to help rural students feel more of a sense of belonging. When the group was started, she suggested social activities such as apple-picking. But the students instead wanted help getting used to the unaccustomed urban traffic noise outside their dorms or off-campus apartments. “Then they said, ‘Can someone take us on a tour of New Haven so I can see where things are? My town has one stoplight.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith notes that rural perspectives like these are essential to the diversity of campuses:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you say you want to have a university with a wonderful political science department, and then 100% of the students in that political science seminar are from urban and suburban towns with the same religious and political affiliation, then are you really having the discussions that we say our institutions are meant to be having?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Isabella Cross, the aspiring engineer, has no doubt about what she would contribute to a campus: a small-town sense of community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Crossville, she says, “We see you in Walmart? We’re going to stop and talk to you for 45 minutes. We’re going to ask how the kids are. We’re going to ask how your mom is doing. We’re going to ask about all of the things that, you know, sometimes you just don’t get” in big cities. “I just think that that’s something that you can bring to a school where it’s definitely a cutthroat competition to get into.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>This story was produced by\u003c/em>\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/special-reports/higher-education/\">\u003cem> The Hechinger Report\u003c/em>\u003c/a>\u003cem>, a nonprofit, independent news organization focused on inequality and innovation in education. Additional reporting by Lauren Migaki.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">Copyright 2024 The Hechinger Report. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Since the time she was in elementary school, Isabella Cross has dreamed of going to an Ivy League college to become an engineer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But in Crossville, her “little no-name town” in East Tennessee, as she describes it, selective universities and colleges rarely came to recruit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As a 17-year-old in a rural community, and the daughter of a single parent, “I always kind of felt, like, I wouldn’t say necessarily trapped, but a lot of kids feel trapped,” says Cross. “And a lot of them never get out. They never get to explore and never get to see other things.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, Cross thinks applying to a top-flight college might be possible after all.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Recruiters from some of the nation’s most selective universities — MIT, the University of Chicago, Yale — have, for the first time, come to her “little no-name town.” It’s part of an effort by top schools to pay more attention to rural America, where students are less likely than their urban and suburban counterparts to go to college and, if they do, are more likely to drop out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It kind of just felt like they heard us, and they see us, and that they know that there’s a need as well for small-town kids like me to have really big dreams,” says Cross.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The college fair in Crossville this fall was part of a string of events throughout the state, where admissions officers from about a half-dozen of the nation’s most selective universities visited with students and parents. It was among the first by a new consortium called STARS, or Small Town and Rural Students College Network, prompted by a $20 million grant from a University of Chicago trustee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62903\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-62903\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_45-1-_custom-0367a1046cdc6184a31d4546a9a476b8c08a562a.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"260\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_45-1-_custom-0367a1046cdc6184a31d4546a9a476b8c08a562a.jpg 200w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_45-1-_custom-0367a1046cdc6184a31d4546a9a476b8c08a562a-160x208.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A poster for the Tristar College Tour on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, at Stone Memorial High School in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>It follows a long history of neglect of rural areas by many colleges and universities. Not even public research universities recruit in rural places, a 2019 study by scholars at UCLA and the University of Arizona found, disproportionately favoring\u003ca href=\"https://emraresearch.org/sites/default/files/2019-03/joyce_report.pdf\"> higher-income public and private high schools\u003c/a> in major metropolitan areas. (The study was produced for the Joyce Foundation, which financially supports NPR.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even when they do find their way to these small towns, recruiters are up against increasing reluctance by students and their families to go to four-year institutions, and especially to campuses far away from home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://starscollegenetwork.org/allmembers/\">Sixteen colleges and universities in all\u003c/a> — also including Brown, the California Institute of Technology, Columbia, Northwestern, and the University of Southern California — have signed on to STARS and have agreed to visit rural high schools in exchange for financial help with travel costs and staffing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62904\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-62904\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_25_slide-5374c02f4a768b9152454815a314d04bcae9a82c-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">School counselor Karen Hicks poses for a photo on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, at Stone Memorial High School in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“They’ve never come and taken an interest in us. But the big thing right now is rural, and they’re finally seeing it, I guess,” says Karen Hicks, lead counselor at Crossville’s Stone Memorial High School, who has been an educator in the city for 36 years. “I love it in the sense that it gives our kids opportunities. I hate that they didn’t see it before.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rural communities can be hard to reach, and often have only small numbers of prospective high school seniors, says Marjorie Betley, senior associate director of admissions at the University of Chicago. She helped organize the STARS project and serves as its executive director.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For recruiters, she says, “driving hours and hours on the road to meet with five students, that’s really hard.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The new initiative comes from a University of Chicago trustee, Byron Trott, who left a small town in Missouri to attend the university, and later created a financial services company. In 2018, he asked Betley how many students at her university came from rural places, as he had.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We couldn’t even answer the question,” Betley recalls. After further inquiry, she realized that, “the numbers were not good.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rural students were about 3% of enrollment at the time, which she says has since increased to 9%. Rural Americans comprise\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/cb16-210.html\"> nearly 20%\u003c/a> of the population, the Census Bureau reports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rural students\u003ca href=\"https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/2023/LBA_508c.pdf\"> graduate from high school at a higher rate\u003c/a> (90%) than their counterparts in cities (82%) and suburbs (89%), according to the U.S. Department of Education. But only 55%\u003ca href=\"https://nscresearchcenter.org/high-school-benchmarks/\"> go directly to college\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That’s a smaller proportion than suburban students. It’s also declining, down from\u003ca href=\"https://nscresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2017HSBenchmarksReport-1.pdf\"> 61% in 2016\u003c/a>, the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So rarely do top colleges recruit in rural towns, says Bryan Sexton, a father who came with his son to the college fair in Crossville, that, “you know, when I saw some of the names, I was, like, what are these schools doing here?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A city of\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/crossvillecitytennessee/PST045222\"> 12,470\u003c/a> named for the spot where an old stagecoach road crossed a onetime cattle drivers’ route between Nashville and Knoxville, Crossville is a case study in how rural families aspire to, fret about, and often decide to forgo, college.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62905\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-62905\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-800x450.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-160x90.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-768x432.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_33-1-_wide-40e8299adc3ac46a4f01bafdc2f0f29a450e1576-1920x1080.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">An aerial view of Main Street on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Outside the high school’s auditorium, Nae Evans Sims stopped and thought for a moment about the smallest community she’d ever visited as an admissions recruiter for Case Western Reserve University. “Oh, my gosh,” she says. “Probably this one.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Alongside representatives from Yale, MIT, the University of Chicago, and other institutions, Sims was arranging brochures on a table in anticipation of the kind of college recruiting fair that – in more populated places – draws throngs of anxious students and their parents.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Crossville, families from adjoining towns were also invited. In all, 81 students showed up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“My friends in the cities, their kids start talking about college when they’re freshmen,” says Rob Harrison, a city council member who stopped by. But in Crossville, he says, “a lot of kids don’t even think about the opportunities out there. It’s just not part of the culture.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then again, no one from those elite universities had ever come to Crossville, local educators say, even though the graduation rate from Stone Memorial is\u003ca href=\"http://smhspanthers.ccschools.k12tn.net/academics/smhsprofile.pdf\"> 91%\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Of the students here who do continue their education, many attend the community college just across the street, where tuition is free. More than 1 in 10 enroll in a local trade school, the Tennessee College of Applied Technology, and 4% enlist in the military.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That makes Crossville fairly typical of rural places, where residents are less likely to get bachelor’s degrees. Only about 20% of people over age 25 in rural America (and\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/crossvillecitytennessee/PST045222\"> 15% in Crossville\u003c/a>)\u003ca href=\"https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rural-economy-population/employment-education/rural-education\"> have bachelor’s degrees or higher\u003c/a>, compared with \u003ca href=\"https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=27#:~:text=During%20this%20period%2C%20the%20percentage%20of%2025-%20to,higher%20degree%20increased%20from%207%20to%2010%20percent.\">40%\u003c/a> nationally, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. This gap, the Federal Reserve reports,\u003ca href=\"https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/consumer-community-context-201901.pdf\"> has been widening steadily\u003c/a> over the last 50 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That not only contributes to a worsening political and earnings divide between urban and rural America; it limits economic opportunity in rural places.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It’s essential for rural communities to have a skilled and invested workforce,” says Noa Meyer, president of rootED Alliance, another STARS partner, which puts college and career advisors in rural high schools. “Local businesses need skilled workers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the path to that goal is narrowing. At least a dozen private, nonprofit colleges in rural areas or that serve rural students have closed or announced their closings in the last three years. Public universities in\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/the-shuttering-of-a-rural-university-reveals-a-surprising-source-of-its-financing/\"> rural parts of Kansas, Arkansas\u003c/a> and West Virginia\u003ca href=\"https://hechingerreport.org/rural-universities-already-few-and-far-between-are-being-stripped-of-majors/\"> are cutting dozens of majors\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others are merging, including in\u003ca href=\"https://www.passhe.edu/SystemRedesign/Pages/redesign.aspx\"> Pennsylvania\u003c/a> and\u003ca href=\"https://vermontstate.edu/about/\"> Vermont\u003c/a>. Spending on higher education\u003ca href=\"https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/state-higher-education-funding-cuts-have-pushed-costs-to-students\"> fell\u003c/a> in 16 of\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/geo-areas/urban-rural/2010-urban-rural.html\"> the 20 most rural states\u003c/a> between 2008 and 2018, when adjusted for inflation, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>About 13 million people now live in\u003ca href=\"https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Education-Deserts-The-Continued-Significance-of-Place-in-the-Twenty-First-Century.pdf\"> higher education “deserts,”\u003c/a> mostly in the Midwest and Great Plains, where the nearest university is beyond a reasonable commute away, the American Council on Education estimates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“There is a significant untapped talent pool in our rural communities,” says Trott, the founder, chairman, and co-CEO of the banking company BDT & MSD Partners. “Yet rural students often lack access to the resources needed to help set them up for their education, careers, and economic stability.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Also, as in Crossville, rural students who do go to college generally\u003ca href=\"https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Education-Deserts-The-Continued-Significance-of-Place-in-the-Twenty-First-Century.pdf\"> prefer to stay close to home\u003c/a>, research shows.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Even the ones that have the higher scores, that can survive at some of the more prestigious colleges, they like it here, and they don’t necessarily want to leave,” says Laura Kidwell, a counselor at Stone Memorial. “They want to be within driving distance from home and their family and friends and relatives.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aaron Conley is a senior at the school. He says he’s deciding between learning heating, ventilation and air conditioning to start his own HVAC business, or going to college to study physical therapy or nursing. Both of those fields, he notes, require “a lot of college. It’s something that I just don’t know if I want to do for a long period of time like that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If he does go to college, he’d opt for Tennessee Technological University in Cookeville, 30 minutes away. There, he explains, “I can come back and see my family whenever I want.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many parents here don’t want their kids to move away. Some worry that university campuses and faculty in far-flung places are too liberal, and not religious enough, says Hicks, the school counselor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Some of the things that you hear in the news and stuff that happens at different colleges is scary for a conservative family,” Hicks explains. Parents think, ” ‘I have control of you now, and I know your environment, and to send you out to that big world is scary.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amy Beth Strong says she would prefer that her daughter, Ellie Beth, stick around for at least a little while, and maybe start at the local community college after she graduates from Stone Memorial next spring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_62906\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-62906\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-768x512.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2023/12/collegerecruiting_01_slide-31e18f3ef7fb9af7b1bfc3637a7a9a0555be74f9-1920x1279.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ellie Beth Strong and her mother Amy Beth Strong pose for a photo together on Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2023, at Stone Memorial High School in Crossville, Tenn. \u003ccite>(Austin Anthony for the Hechinger Report)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“I’m not trying to hold on to them, and I want them to do what they want to do, but I would rather they have a little bit more life experience under their belt,” Strong says, instead of, “throwing them out in the middle of the world and saying, ‘OK, there you go. You’re 18, you’re done.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some rural parents also worry that their children, if they go far away for college, won’t come back, Hicks adds.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some Crossville parents are encouraging their reluctant children to go on to further education, however.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tina Carr started college, stopping now and then to earn the money she needed to pay for it. But she never graduated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I’ve always regretted not being able to finish,” Carr says. She’s still wearing her scrubs after commuting home from her job in Knoxville as the front-desk coordinator at a surgeon’s office. “I just see where people get stuck in – it’s a bad word to say – but ‘dead-end’ jobs without a college degree.” And while she likes what she does, “I’ve seen a lot of jobs posted throughout the years that I think I could do, but I can’t because I don’t have that degree.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so Carr is pushing her daughter, Kira, to continue her education: “I don’t want her down the line to eventually regret that she didn’t go to college.” Kira Carr wants to go directly into the workforce; she decided to skip the college recruiting fair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Another major reason fewer rural high school students go to college is the cost. Median earnings in rural areas are\u003ca href=\"https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rural-economy-population/employment-education/rural-education\"> nearly one-sixth lower\u003c/a> than incomes elsewhere, according to the USDA.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Crossville, the median household income\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/crossvillecitytennessee/PST045222\"> is $40,708\u003c/a>, compared with the national median of\u003ca href=\"https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-279.html\"> $74,580\u003c/a>. More than 20% of the population lives in poverty; 40% of the 1,000 students at the high school\u003ca href=\"https://tdepublicschools.ondemand.sas.com/school/001800079\"> are considered economically disadvantaged\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite their higher graduation rates, rural students often feel that they don’t belong at top colleges. That, along with homesickness and the cost, is among the reasons those who do go are\u003ca href=\"https://nscresearchcenter.org/high-school-benchmarks/\"> more likely to drop out\u003c/a> than their urban and suburban classmates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We do have rural students come in who have that imposter syndrome, with classmates who took 20 [Advanced Placement courses] and their high school didn’t have any,” says Betley, at the University of Chicago.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the Stone Memorial recruiting fair, the longest lines were to talk to representatives from the nearby University of Tennessee at Knoxville, Middle Tennessee State University, and Tennessee Tech. 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She says she’s applied to two Christian colleges and the University of Tennessee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After growing up in a small town, “I don’t want to go to a giant university where I’m just another person that you pass by when you’re going to class,” she explains. “I don’t want to have 300 people in my class and have the professor just lecture the whole time. I want to actually get to sit down and talk to the people and get to know everybody.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many students from rural areas have similar concerns, says Corinne Smith, an associate director of admissions at Yale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith is the advisor to the Rural Student Alliance at Yale, formed five years ago to help rural students feel more of a sense of belonging. When the group was started, she suggested social activities such as apple-picking. But the students instead wanted help getting used to the unaccustomed urban traffic noise outside their dorms or off-campus apartments. “Then they said, ‘Can someone take us on a tour of New Haven so I can see where things are? My town has one stoplight.’ ”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Smith notes that rural perspectives like these are essential to the diversity of campuses:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“If you say you want to have a university with a wonderful political science department, and then 100% of the students in that political science seminar are from urban and suburban towns with the same religious and political affiliation, then are you really having the discussions that we say our institutions are meant to be having?”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Isabella Cross, the aspiring engineer, has no doubt about what she would contribute to a campus: a small-town sense of community.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In Crossville, she says, “We see you in Walmart? We’re going to stop and talk to you for 45 minutes. We’re going to ask how the kids are. We’re going to ask how your mom is doing. We’re going to ask about all of the things that, you know, sometimes you just don’t get” in big cities. “I just think that that’s something that you can bring to a school where it’s definitely a cutthroat competition to get into.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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