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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The Department of Justice is proposing a series of sanctions against Google to ensure it can no longer monopolize the search engine market. In a filing late Tuesday night, the government laid out its framework for reining in the tech giant.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Proposals include possibly putting an end to exclusive agreements Google has with companies like Apple and Samsung, and prohibiting certain kinds of data tracking. The government wrote that it’s considering “behavioral and structural” remedies that would ensure Google couldn’t use its Chrome browser or Android phone in a way that advantages its search engine, but didn’t outline what the structural remedies would be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Google’s anticompetitive conduct resulted in interlocking and pernicious harms,” reads the filing. The markets Google controls, it continues, “are indispensable to the lives of all Americans, whether as individuals or as business owners, and the importance of effectively unfettering these markets and restoring competition cannot be overstated.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The 32-page filing follows federal Judge Amit Mehta’s ruling in August that Google had acted illegally to maintain a monopoly on the search engine market. That ruling was the culmination of an antitrust lawsuit that the Justice Department \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/10/20/925736276/google-abuses-its-monopoly-power-over-search-justice-department-says-in-lawsuit\">\u003cu>filed against Google in 2020\u003c/u>\u003c/a>, which was joined by 38 state attorneys general.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Justice Department accused Google of illegally orchestrating its business dealings to ensure its search engine dominated the market. After a \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2023/09/12/1198558372/doj-google-monopoly-antitrust-trial-search-engine\">\u003cu>10-week trial last fall\u003c/u>\u003c/a>, Mehta ruled in favor of the Justice Department. Google has said it will appeal this decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>",
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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The government’s filing on Tuesday is its initial set of proposals to seek remedies against Google. In the filing, the Justice Department said it intends to go through court-ordered discovery for further evidence to support its stance. It will file a more refined framework in November and Google will have a chance to propose its own remedies in December.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/public-policy/doj-search-remedies-framework/\">blog post\u003c/a> published Tuesday night, Google’s vice president of global affairs, Lee-Anne Mulholland, wrote, “We are concerned the DOJ is already signaling requests that go far beyond the specific legal issues in this case.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mulholland appears to be interpreting the government’s filing as calling for the breakup of Google’s Chrome and Android businesses. 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That lawsuit centered around claims that Microsoft illegally grouped its various products together in a way that both stifled competition and compelled people to use its products.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A judge ruled in favor of the Justice Department back then, saying \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/04/business/us-vs-microsoft-overview-us-judge-says-microsoft-violated-antitrust-laws-with.html\">\u003cu>Microsoft violated antitrust laws\u003c/u>\u003c/a> and held “an oppressive thumb on the scale of competitive fortune.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the last quarter of a century, tech companies have amassed enormous power and now play a crucial part in most people’s daily lives. 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During the trial, internal documents and witnesses revealed that Google had paid billions of dollars per year to ensure it was the default search engine on smartphones, like the iPhone, and on web browsers, like Mozilla’s Firefox.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Witness testimony revealed the eye-popping sums Google paid its partners. For example, in 2021 alone, Google\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248152695/google-doj-monopoly-trial-antitrust-closing-arguments\">\u003cu> spent a total of $26.3 billion on its deals\u003c/u>\u003c/a> to be the default search engine. 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"content": "\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">In this edition of The Bay’s monthly news roundup, California politics and government senior editor Molly Solomon joins us to talk about how Kamala Harris tells her life story to a national audience — and why she might be reluctant to mention Berkeley. Also, we discuss a lead water crisis at Oakland schools, and why some journalists are dismayed with a deal Google just reached with state lawmakers to pay millions of dollars to support local news.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"card card--enclosed grey\">\n\u003cp id=\"embed-code\" class=\"inconsolata\">\n\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC3489421666&light=true\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003c/div>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Links:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/25/us/politics/kamala-harris-berkeley-hometown.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">As Kamala Harris Claims Oakland, Berkeley Forgives\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://oaklandside.org/2024/08/29/ousd-has-failed-at-its-most-basic-job-families-teachers-demand-answers-on-lead/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">‘OUSD has failed at its most basic job’: Families, teachers demand answers on lead\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/politics/capitol/2024/08/california-journalism-deal-legislature-google/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">California tried to make Google pay news outlets. The company cut a deal that includes funding AI\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted and welcome to our August news roundup where me and the rest of the Bay team sit down to talk about some of the other stories that we have been following this month. I am joined by our senior editor, Alan Montecillo. What’s up, Alan?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Hey. Hey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And we’re also joined by a very special guest today, senior editor of KQED’s California politics and government desk, Molly Solomon. What’s up, Molly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Hey, thanks for having me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>My thank you so much for taking the time. You guys have been super busy over there at the Politics desk, and I know your time is very precious. Can you talk about what you all have been up to this last month?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Busy is like the understatement of the year. It has been a busy, busy week slash man slash. This election has probably aged me like a decade, but this I think more recently, the excitement on our team was being able to go to Chicago to cover in person the Democratic National Convention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I think clearly the big story for us has also been this really quick, sudden ascension of Kamala Harris to the top of the Democratic ticket, replacing Biden. So obviously with her connections and her roots to San Francisco politics, to the Bay Area, that’s been a big story for us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>There are times when I go throughout my day and I realize, again, that that happened, that Biden dropped out and that Harris is the nominee. And I still kind of can’t believe that happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>And that was a month ago. Allen What is time? Yeah, it’s wild. The last two months have been have been a roller coaster ride.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I mean, while we are on the topic, why don’t you kick us off with the first story of our news roundup, Molly, that you’ve been watching very closely this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>The story that caught my eye. This last month is really this issue of how Kamala Harris is telling her story. And I think more specifically how she seems to be, as some people say, downplaying or even just saying the name of her hometown where she’s from, Berkeley. I just think it’s been fascinating because all of us, you know, reporters here, especially some of the local reporters on our team, have been covering her for decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>So I just find it very fascinating the way she decides to tell her story, especially now that she’s on this national stage, including, you know, more recently, I was kind of watching for that when she was giving her speech at the Democratic National Convention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kamala Harris: \u003c/strong>Before she could finally afford to buy a home. She rented a small apartment in the east bay. In the bay, in the bay, you either live in the hills or the flatlands. We lived in the flats.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>A beautiful I think I had actually sent out a tweet when we got the transcript of her speech and I was like, Hey, like, shout out to Berkeley Flatlands. And people immediately, even just in that tweet that I sent out were like, actually, she did not specifically say Berkeley in her speech. So they were already really, like keen to, like, highlight what she was and was not saying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>She was actually born in a hospital in Oakland. You know, when she was younger, they did spend some time actually, and then moved to the Midwest. She did end up moving back to Berkeley when her parents divorced and she lived with her mom in this now iconic yellow duplex house on Bancroft in kind of a southwest corner of Berkeley. After that, you know, she spent some of her adolescence actually in Canada.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Her mom had gotten a teaching research job at one of the universities there before. You know, the stage that she’s on now, like Harris has talked about growing up in Berkeley, like she wrote about it in her autobiography. She’s talked about, you know, going to protests with her parents in a stroller. Obviously, she moved back and was an adult and lived in Oakland as she was a prosecutor in Alameda County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>And she was also, I think, as a young child, she was part of this integrated bussing program in Berkeley. And she was actually bussed from, you know, her home in southwest Berkeley up to the wealthier North Berkeley Hills to go to school. So it has played a part in, you know, how she’s talked about her childhood in the past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I just think it’s more interesting because it seems like there has been this deliberate omission of it. I mean, even in just how she referred to where she’s from in her speech, she said the bay and other times, you know, she’s called herself a daughter of Oakland. So for whatever reason and we can talk about it, it seems like she’s downplaying naming the city that she spent most of her time growing up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Why is that? Like, why not? Claim Berkeley as much now, or even Oakland explicitly for that matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I think it’s pretty strategic. You know, there is a political strategy here of emphasizing, you know, Oakland over Berkeley or maybe neither and just saying East Bay, there’s this idea that it’s just a bunch of like hippies and radical leftist that are in Berkeley. It’s got the nickname, bizarrely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>So I think if she is trying to, you know, as a candidate, make herself palatable to people that don’t live in the Bay Area, especially like one of the more progressive parts of California, she might want to distance herself from that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>So I think from a political strategy standpoint, I could see her either wanting to paint herself with a broader brush or just maybe not even naming that city as a way to connect herself to to this bigger audience that she’s now speaking to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>But, you know, it’s not like Harris is the first candidate to overplay or downplay certain parts of her background as someone from Berkeley. 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So so I think about it with with this, you know, I think this is something that’s interesting to me and sort of stood out to me because, you know, it tells me a little bit also about how Kamala Harris is choosing to show different parts of her identity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I mean, not just with the hometown thing and being from Berkeley. And I’m sure that, like they were quoted in this article that I read to a lot of people in Berkeley were like, we get it. It’s fine. Our feelings are not hurt. We understand you got an election to win, whatever. But I think it’s just interesting to see the way that like what she chooses to claim and reveal about herself. You know, she’s really leaned into this law and order prosecutor role.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I think that has a lot to do with the current climate around crime being a mixed race woman, South Asian, black woman. I think these are parts of her identity, what she is publicly claiming and telling us who she is as a national candidate says something. So that’s why it stood out to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>All right. Well, Molly, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Thanks for having me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And after the break, we’ll talk about a lead crisis at Oakland schools and a deal that Google just cut with the state to help California’s struggling local news industry. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And welcome back to the Bay’s Monthly News roundup, where we sit down to talk about some of the other stories that we’ve been following this month. Alan Kids are back to school and it’s been a pretty chaotic return for students in Oakland. What’s going on?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Well, there is lead in the drinking water at dozens of Oakland public schools. You know, it has obviously kids, parents, teachers, very frustrated with the district, afraid for their kids safety. I mean, not a great start to the school year in Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And how many schools are we talking about here? How bad and widespread is this problem?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Well, as of now, we know of at least 30. There’s been a lot of reporting on this from the Oakland side. KQED has done some reporting as well. 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And there are at least a dozen that have about 50 parts per million, which is, you know, ten times the district’s sort of minimum level.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So how were parents and students finding out about these high levels of lead in the school’s drinking water?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>So in mid-August, when almost was starting the new school year, families were getting notified that that there was lead or unsafe levels of lead in the drinking water in some of their schools. In many cases, the testing had actually been done much, much earlier. One example of this is at the Frick United Academy of Language.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>So on August 12th, which is, you know, the first day of school, teachers say they found out that six water fixtures at their schools tested over the safe limit of lead. But the testing was done in April. So teachers find this out on day one and they’re furious because, A, we have to now tell all of the kids on the first day of school, hey, do not drink the water from the fountain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>And B, kids were probably drinking it during the end of the school year during summer school. So the firestorm of anger in the district is not just about the fact that there is lead in the water. I mean, it should get fixed.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>You know, this happens when pipes are old, but that the notification didn’t happen in an efficient way. They found out months later. And that’s something that the district has even copped to, that they did not communicate the test results fast enough to families.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I think, like if I’m a parent and I have a kid in an Oakland school that has like, you know, maybe one of these schools that has a high amount, like you mentioned, should I be worried? I mean, is this dangerous? Is my child affected by this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Well, there are no safe levels of lead in drinking water. I mean, the county health department even recommended that parents who have kids at one of these schools have them tested for lead exposure and that they actually bring along the communication from the district to their primary care doctor’s office.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>The fountains that are known to have this lead in it have been shut down. But, you know, in in many cases, it’s possible that the kids have already drink the water that has led in it, because the way the district communicated this was so late.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, what has the district said about why it took them so long to notify parents, students and sounds like even teachers?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>As of now, we don’t totally know what went wrong here with the notification process. I should say we’re taping this before. Superintendent Kyla Johnson Tremmel is set to give a presentation to the public. The district has promised now that they will notify families within three days of testing and they will publish all of the results on a public dashboard. They say they’ll get this set up by January, but right now we don’t really know why this happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Okay. So it sounds like there’s some plans in the works a little farther off. But what’s being done now about all of this?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Well, I think for the district, just in the immediate term, there’s just the basic like explaining to families what happened here and trying to reassure them. In the meantime, there’s still more testing going on as of this taping. Not all of that. Schools have been fully tested yet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>And in terms of just being at school, the district is also providing filtered water dispensers at schools that have been affected. I think for teachers and kids, it’s just trying to get through the first month of school with this, you know, huge inconvenience that in many cases a lot of your drinking fountains are unsafe.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>All right. Well, we’ll definitely continue to follow that story as it develops. Thank you so much, Alan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And last but not least, will cap off our news roundup with a story about an effort to try and force big tech to help the state’s struggling local news industry. This is a story that I have been following this month in a deal with state lawmakers. Google has agreed to pay $55 million over five years to a fund that would be distributed to local newsrooms and also fund AA technology.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>This deal comes after this effort by two Bay Area lawmakers to try and force the biggest tech companies in Silicon Valley to really pay up essentially for the impact that some of these tech companies have had on our really I mean, faltering local news industry here in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>What role have they played specifically that led to some state lawmakers in California saying, hey, you guys got to pay up or at least help?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah. So some of the context here, I mean, the state of California has lost like about a third of its local newspapers since 2005. And as we know very well, I mean, news organizations are really trying to keep up with the changing media ecosystem. I mean, advertising has always been a huge source of revenue for newspapers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>But now publishers argue that search engines and social media platforms have really harmed the journalism business by hogging up all that advertising revenue while also benefiting from news content that they don’t pay for. And so to local lawmakers in the Bay Area tried to put forward these two laws that were really set up to try and secure a cut of tech money, really to kind of help prop up California’s struggling local news industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So one of them would have forced Google and Medha to negotiate a so-called usage fee with news outlets directly. 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The original two bills that these lawmakers proposed. What’s happening instead is that the tech giant has agreed to pay $55 million over five years to support local media outlets. This money is going to be administered by UC Berkeley and kind of distributed to local news outlets from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And it’s also going to help start an artificial intelligence program. The idea is to basically give some of these outlets some financial support to see how I can help them in their work. And there are kind of two big reasons I’d say why the original plan kind of failed. One being that Google has spent a lot of money lobbying against these bills. They spent about $2.1 million in response to Buffy Wicks bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And once Buffy Wicks is, Bill actually passed it in the state Assembly. Google actually retaliated and temporarily removed some links to California news websites from its search results. So there was just a lot of concern about how willing Google would be to kind of go along with this idea. And there was concern about whether Governor Newsom would have been willing to support this idea to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Calmatters actually reported that proponents said that it was actually really unlikely that Newsom would support any one of these bills because he pledged no tax increases this year. So those are two kind of big reasons why their original idea didn’t kind of come to fruition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Where were journalists in these negotiations? I mean, you know, this is a little bit of a meta conversation. I didn’t get a call about going to talk about this bill. I assume neither of you did either. What groups, if any, were weighing in on behalf of journalists who would be affected by this? Well, this now new law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Some groups representing journalists across California are really not happy about this deal. One really outspoken opponent is the Media Guild of the West, which represents reporters down in Southern California. The guild said that it was particularly concerned about this part of the deal involving artificial intelligence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And they sort of have concerns about what promoting A.I. could further do to the local news industry. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-content post-body\">\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted and welcome to our August news roundup where me and the rest of the Bay team sit down to talk about some of the other stories that we have been following this month. I am joined by our senior editor, Alan Montecillo. What’s up, Alan?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Hey. Hey.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And we’re also joined by a very special guest today, senior editor of KQED’s California politics and government desk, Molly Solomon. What’s up, Molly?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Hey, thanks for having me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>My thank you so much for taking the time. You guys have been super busy over there at the Politics desk, and I know your time is very precious. Can you talk about what you all have been up to this last month?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Busy is like the understatement of the year. It has been a busy, busy week slash man slash. This election has probably aged me like a decade, but this I think more recently, the excitement on our team was being able to go to Chicago to cover in person the Democratic National Convention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I think clearly the big story for us has also been this really quick, sudden ascension of Kamala Harris to the top of the Democratic ticket, replacing Biden. So obviously with her connections and her roots to San Francisco politics, to the Bay Area, that’s been a big story for us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>There are times when I go throughout my day and I realize, again, that that happened, that Biden dropped out and that Harris is the nominee. And I still kind of can’t believe that happened.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>And that was a month ago. Allen What is time? Yeah, it’s wild. The last two months have been have been a roller coaster ride.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I mean, while we are on the topic, why don’t you kick us off with the first story of our news roundup, Molly, that you’ve been watching very closely this month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>The story that caught my eye. This last month is really this issue of how Kamala Harris is telling her story. And I think more specifically how she seems to be, as some people say, downplaying or even just saying the name of her hometown where she’s from, Berkeley. I just think it’s been fascinating because all of us, you know, reporters here, especially some of the local reporters on our team, have been covering her for decades.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>So I just find it very fascinating the way she decides to tell her story, especially now that she’s on this national stage, including, you know, more recently, I was kind of watching for that when she was giving her speech at the Democratic National Convention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Kamala Harris: \u003c/strong>Before she could finally afford to buy a home. She rented a small apartment in the east bay. In the bay, in the bay, you either live in the hills or the flatlands. We lived in the flats.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>A beautiful I think I had actually sent out a tweet when we got the transcript of her speech and I was like, Hey, like, shout out to Berkeley Flatlands. And people immediately, even just in that tweet that I sent out were like, actually, she did not specifically say Berkeley in her speech. So they were already really, like keen to, like, highlight what she was and was not saying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>She was actually born in a hospital in Oakland. You know, when she was younger, they did spend some time actually, and then moved to the Midwest. She did end up moving back to Berkeley when her parents divorced and she lived with her mom in this now iconic yellow duplex house on Bancroft in kind of a southwest corner of Berkeley. After that, you know, she spent some of her adolescence actually in Canada.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Her mom had gotten a teaching research job at one of the universities there before. You know, the stage that she’s on now, like Harris has talked about growing up in Berkeley, like she wrote about it in her autobiography. She’s talked about, you know, going to protests with her parents in a stroller. Obviously, she moved back and was an adult and lived in Oakland as she was a prosecutor in Alameda County.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>And she was also, I think, as a young child, she was part of this integrated bussing program in Berkeley. And she was actually bussed from, you know, her home in southwest Berkeley up to the wealthier North Berkeley Hills to go to school. So it has played a part in, you know, how she’s talked about her childhood in the past.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I just think it’s more interesting because it seems like there has been this deliberate omission of it. I mean, even in just how she referred to where she’s from in her speech, she said the bay and other times, you know, she’s called herself a daughter of Oakland. So for whatever reason and we can talk about it, it seems like she’s downplaying naming the city that she spent most of her time growing up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Why is that? Like, why not? Claim Berkeley as much now, or even Oakland explicitly for that matter.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I think it’s pretty strategic. You know, there is a political strategy here of emphasizing, you know, Oakland over Berkeley or maybe neither and just saying East Bay, there’s this idea that it’s just a bunch of like hippies and radical leftist that are in Berkeley. 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So so I think about it with with this, you know, I think this is something that’s interesting to me and sort of stood out to me because, you know, it tells me a little bit also about how Kamala Harris is choosing to show different parts of her identity.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I mean, not just with the hometown thing and being from Berkeley. And I’m sure that, like they were quoted in this article that I read to a lot of people in Berkeley were like, we get it. It’s fine. Our feelings are not hurt. We understand you got an election to win, whatever. But I think it’s just interesting to see the way that like what she chooses to claim and reveal about herself. You know, she’s really leaned into this law and order prosecutor role.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I think that has a lot to do with the current climate around crime being a mixed race woman, South Asian, black woman. I think these are parts of her identity, what she is publicly claiming and telling us who she is as a national candidate says something. So that’s why it stood out to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>All right. Well, Molly, thank you so much.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Thanks for having me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And after the break, we’ll talk about a lead crisis at Oakland schools and a deal that Google just cut with the state to help California’s struggling local news industry. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And welcome back to the Bay’s Monthly News roundup, where we sit down to talk about some of the other stories that we’ve been following this month. Alan Kids are back to school and it’s been a pretty chaotic return for students in Oakland. What’s going on?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Well, there is lead in the drinking water at dozens of Oakland public schools. You know, it has obviously kids, parents, teachers, very frustrated with the district, afraid for their kids safety. I mean, not a great start to the school year in Oakland.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And how many schools are we talking about here? How bad and widespread is this problem?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Well, as of now, we know of at least 30. There’s been a lot of reporting on this from the Oakland side. KQED has done some reporting as well. Now, the district has a policy that if the lead in drinking water is five parts per billion, just the concentration of lead or higher that the district needs to basically get rid of the fountains and replace them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>We know of more than 30 schools in Oakland that are above that five parts per billion number. Some of the schools have much, much higher concentrations of lead. One school, a Lincoln Elementary, tested for 930 parts per billion. 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Thank you so much, Alan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And last but not least, will cap off our news roundup with a story about an effort to try and force big tech to help the state’s struggling local news industry. This is a story that I have been following this month in a deal with state lawmakers. Google has agreed to pay $55 million over five years to a fund that would be distributed to local newsrooms and also fund AA technology.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>This deal comes after this effort by two Bay Area lawmakers to try and force the biggest tech companies in Silicon Valley to really pay up essentially for the impact that some of these tech companies have had on our really I mean, faltering local news industry here in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>What role have they played specifically that led to some state lawmakers in California saying, hey, you guys got to pay up or at least help?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah. So some of the context here, I mean, the state of California has lost like about a third of its local newspapers since 2005. And as we know very well, I mean, news organizations are really trying to keep up with the changing media ecosystem. I mean, advertising has always been a huge source of revenue for newspapers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>But now publishers argue that search engines and social media platforms have really harmed the journalism business by hogging up all that advertising revenue while also benefiting from news content that they don’t pay for. And so to local lawmakers in the Bay Area tried to put forward these two laws that were really set up to try and secure a cut of tech money, really to kind of help prop up California’s struggling local news industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So one of them would have forced Google and Medha to negotiate a so-called usage fee with news outlets directly. Basically, Google pays a local news outlet for how many clicks it gets on Google when a user searches for a story.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Another lawmaker from the Bay Area proposed a separate law that would have enforced a fee on major platforms like Google and Meta to basically provide a news outlet tax credit to help employ local journalists. And that ad actually would have raised $500 million a year, according to some estimates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>I mean, it sounds like the original idea is not exactly what they ended up agreeing on in the end. Could you kind of walk us through what those changes were? Was there pushback and how they ended up landing on this new deal? That has, you know, I as a part of it as well?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah. Basically, Google is going to be paying much less than this. The original two bills that these lawmakers proposed. What’s happening instead is that the tech giant has agreed to pay $55 million over five years to support local media outlets. This money is going to be administered by UC Berkeley and kind of distributed to local news outlets from there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And it’s also going to help start an artificial intelligence program. The idea is to basically give some of these outlets some financial support to see how I can help them in their work. And there are kind of two big reasons I’d say why the original plan kind of failed. One being that Google has spent a lot of money lobbying against these bills. They spent about $2.1 million in response to Buffy Wicks bill.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And once Buffy Wicks is, Bill actually passed it in the state Assembly. Google actually retaliated and temporarily removed some links to California news websites from its search results. So there was just a lot of concern about how willing Google would be to kind of go along with this idea. And there was concern about whether Governor Newsom would have been willing to support this idea to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Calmatters actually reported that proponents said that it was actually really unlikely that Newsom would support any one of these bills because he pledged no tax increases this year. So those are two kind of big reasons why their original idea didn’t kind of come to fruition.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong>Where were journalists in these negotiations? I mean, you know, this is a little bit of a meta conversation. I didn’t get a call about going to talk about this bill. I assume neither of you did either. What groups, if any, were weighing in on behalf of journalists who would be affected by this? Well, this now new law.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Some groups representing journalists across California are really not happy about this deal. One really outspoken opponent is the Media Guild of the West, which represents reporters down in Southern California. The guild said that it was particularly concerned about this part of the deal involving artificial intelligence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And they sort of have concerns about what promoting A.I. could further do to the local news industry. They saw it as sort of a concession to the tech industry in that way that could actually lead to even more devastation to the local news industry and maybe even a further loss of of jobs among, like, reporters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So, yeah, I mean, basically, like there are a bunch of unions and and other groups sort of representing journalists across the the state who are accusing California lawmakers of kind of settling and others who say that, you know, local media is not really in a position to say no to more money either.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So there’s a lot more work to be done to kind of help local news organizations across the state to to be as healthy as we need them to be, especially in an election year. And that is it for our August news roundup. Thank you so much, Alan and Molly, for joining me, it was fun guys.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Alan Montecillo: \u003c/strong> Thank you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Molly Solomon: \u003c/strong>Thanks so much for having me. This was fun, you guys.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The Bay is made by me and Alan Montecillo. We get support from Jen Chien, Katie Sprenger, Maha Sanad and Holly Kernan Music courtesy of Audio Network. The Bay is a production of listener supported KQED in San Francisco. I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra…peace.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>"
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But that law, designed for companies like Standard Oil, has not always succeeded with modern-day judges considering modern-day technology markets. The FTC, for instance, has\u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/07/11/microsoft-activision-ftc-decision/?itid=lk_inline_manual_36\"> had trouble\u003c/a> meeting\u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/02/01/facebook-meta-app-purchase-ruling/?itid=lk_inline_manual_36\"> thresholds of proof\u003c/a> in some of its recent efforts to rein in Silicon Valley giants.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Microsoft antitrust case, which \u003ca href=\"https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/business/google-antitrust-microsoft-precedent.html\">alleged that practices\u003c/a> like bullying smaller players into contracts and leveraging the popularity of its digital platform to stifle competition should be illegal, was a clear win for the Justice Department. That case, antitrust experts say, moderated the company’s behavior and prevented Microsoft from using its dominance in personal computers to establish dominance over the development of the internet.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While the Google ruling doesn’t set a new precedent or “fundamentally change” the use of antitrust laws, it shows they “can and do work to rein in the market power of modern technology companies … and it will encourage the DOJ and the FTC to continue bringing such cases,” according to Florian Ederer, a professor of markets, public policy and law for Boston University.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What’s next?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Mehta’s ruling focused solely on whether the Mountain View-based tech giant broke the law. Now, a separate trial will focus on a remedy, or perhaps more than one.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[aside postID=news_11998817 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/08/ChatGPTGetty-1020x680.jpg']\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The judge might opt to force Google to separate its search engine from other parts of its business. Alternatively, Mehta could order “conduct remedies,” like requiring Google to end legally provocative deals such as the one it has with Apple, making it the default search option on iPhones. Google might also be required to license parts of its search business or present consumers with a “choice screen” that prompts users to consider a different default browser.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Google plans to appeal, according to Kent Walker, president of global affairs. “This decision recognizes that Google offers the best search engine but concludes that we shouldn’t be allowed to make it easily available,” he wrote in a\u003ca href=\"https://x.com/Google_Comms/status/1820558371285508123\"> post on X.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yale School of Management economics professor Fiona Scott Morton said the government’s case has a good chance of holding up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The reliance on the Microsoft decision was a shrewd choice by DOJ,” Scott Morton said. “In many ways, this is a mainstream decision that does not take any risks, so it should be very robust on appeal.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What experts are watching\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>After the Microsoft ruling, a judge ordered the company to be split in two. 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It could be years before we know the end of the story.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Driving the story\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">[aside postID=news_11983333 hero='https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/GETTYIMAGES-2104164214-KQED-1020x680.jpg']\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Key to \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d42ab8b2-e648-45f9-a4a5-0e0d147be918.pdf?utm_campaign=wp_the_technology_202&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_technology202&itid=lk_inline_manual_3\">Mehta’s ruling\u003c/a> is Google’s position as the default search engine for many operating systems, web browsers, mobile carriers and more — an advantage that the company “pays huge sums to secure,” the judge wrote.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Mehta pointed to “the power of defaults,” writing, “The field of behavioral economics teaches that a consumer’s choice can be heavily influenced by how it is presented.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The finding that defaults substantially affect consumer behavior has been long known in the economics literature and has overwhelming evidence, so it’s nice to see a court find that they matter in a competition setting,” said Scott Morton, a Yale professor.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Zoom out\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The ruling comes against the backdrop of the battle for dominance in generative artificial intelligence. “The race to become a or even the dominant player in AI is still wide open and many competitors are jostling for position,” wrote Ederer, the Boston University professor. “There has been tremendous scrutiny of all acquisitions and contracting decisions of the big tech companies in the last few years. 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While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Okay. I got ChatGPT open here. Do you think A.I. is good or bad?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ChatGPT: \u003c/strong>A.I. itself isn’t inherently good or bad. It depends on how it’s used. The key is to manage and regulate A.I. to maximize benefits while minimizing harm. What are your thoughts on that?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I kind of feel like that was like a politician answer. It’s kind of creepy how good you are at that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ChatGPT: \u003c/strong>I get what you mean. Do you have any specific worries or hopes about A.I.?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, I guess I worry that maybe we’re not regulating the technology as fast as we should, given how quickly A.I. technology is growing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>ChatGPT: \u003c/strong>That’s a valid concern. The pace of A.I. development often outstrips the speed of regulatory measures. Many people worry about this gap. Governments and organizations are trying to catch up, but it can be challenging. What aspects of A.I. regulation? Where are you the most?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, I feel like you just said it, but here we are. California is in the middle of deciding exactly how it wants to regulate artificial intelligence. It’s also getting help from the European Union, which just passed some of the strictest A.I. regulations anywhere. Today, how California is trying to regulate A.I. and how this technology could affect all of us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Khari, let’s start very, very basic here. When we’re talking about air in this conversation, what exactly are we talking about? What kind of technology?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>We’re talking about a system that has the ability to make predictions, recommendations or decisions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Khari Johnson is a tech reporter for CalMatters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>That system is created through training data and that sort of used as the input in those recommendations or decisions or the output. Those decisions or recommendations or predictions can determine what, you know, shown to you on Netflix or on Spotify. But they can also determine more important things about your life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Those systems can determine whether or not people will receive benefits. You know, businesses can use them to determine whether or not to extend your line of credit or rent you an apartment or mortgage. So there’s lots of different ways that it can show up.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, what companies and institutions here in the Bay Area in particular have the biggest stake in the growth of this technology?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>I’d say the stake for AI in the bay areas is just massive. The Bay Area outraised the rest of the world in AI investments. Quite often the Bay Area makes large contributions to the AI research community globally.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>You know, the generative AI advances that really started with GPT three in fall of 2022 come from OpenAI, which is based in San Francisco. Nvidia is one of the largest companies by market cap in the world today and they’re here in the Bay Area. And Google and Apple are of course big parts of the conversation as well and.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>In universities as well, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Absolutely. Stanford and UC Berkeley are a big part of the AI research community globally. You know, the machine learning community really looks to both of those schools in particular.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, Khari, we’re talking about a really rapidly growing technology. What have the reactions been to this growing industry? I feel like I’ve seen a lot of excitement, but I’ve also seen a good amount of fear and concern as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>You know, I think there are companies out there that would say that there are shortages in some places and that it’s helpful to have A.I. there to fill in the gap, you know, that it might improve people’s lives in different ways. There’s been a series of surveys of people’s feelings about artificial intelligence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>There is a Reuters one out last year that felt that I might have something to do with human extinction at some point. I think there’s been some studies that would show that, you know, the fear surrounding that might be a bit ahead of, you know, what people are concerned about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>But, you know, I think the it prompts fears of job loss that I worry most about people who are entry level or somebody that might apply for an internship and the sort of tutelage that they might have received a decade ago, you know, a generation ago might just disappear in a space where somebody says, we’ll catch up to you can do it for me instead. I worry about that a lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>And there definitely are forms of this technology that are capable of doing things that might improve people’s lives. And there definitely are the instances where there might be bias within the model based on the data that it was, you know, that was used to train it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>But also sometimes it’s just snake oil, sometimes it’s just pseudoscience wrapped up in, you know, marketing and technology. And you can’t tell the difference because, you know, maybe you don’t have the immediate know how to tell that and then look under the hood and say, hey, wait a minute, there’s no there there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I wonder, too, how leaders are reacting to the rapid growth of A.I..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>I think there are some leaders who want to say artificial intelligence because they want to be associated with the word and see it in a headline and do the simple math of if they’re associated with a topic that a lot of people are talking about, then that might be beneficial to them. I think people should be wary of that. I know that lobbyists from large companies are busy in state houses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>More than 40 states are considering draft rules to regulate artificial intelligence. And I’m sure there are conversations that are taking place with business groups and industry to inform or influence those bills. But essentially, Congress hasn’t done much. States are attempting to regulate the technology in order to keep people safe. And so that’s what California is certainly doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>And there’s a handful of bills that are under consideration that will be deliberated within the next few weeks, really to see how the state responds. And in doing so, there’s been some extensive conversations with members of the European Union, which just completed a long process to determine just how to regulate artificial intelligence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah, let’s get into that. You reported on this story on how the European Union is concerned about regulating AI and how it’s hoping California will adopt similar regulations. I mean, how would you characterize the European Union’s response to regulating AI, maybe even in comparison to the U.S.?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>I think it’s fair to say that the European Union started regulating artificial intelligence well before we did in the United States, and they’ve completed a major comprehensive framework for that work on the European Air Act, started around 2017, 2018, and I believe concluded a couple of weeks ago. It’s a risk based approach to artificial intelligence regulation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>And so it requires governments to define certain uses of the technology as high risk. And those types of models are subject to higher levels of testing. And it’s the first comprehensive framework of its kind. I think it’s important to point out that the European Union looks at things like predictive policing as something that shouldn’t exist in society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>European Union bans emotion recognition at schools and in the workplace, and social credit scores like the kind that they use in China to reward or punish certain kinds of behavior. And those are exempt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Other examples of these are the technology that they arrived at, the decision that certain forms of it deserve a ban, not just strict limits. But this should not exist in our society. And we have to deliberate on the same questions as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, how California and the EU are working together to regulate A.I.. 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How have they tried to rope California in?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Well, I’d say that the European Union has been active in conversations with legislators, and one of the more recent meetings took place between Senator Tom Hamburg from Orange County, who’s the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Assembly member Rebecca Bauer-Kahan, who is the chair of the Privacy and Consumer Protection Committee and author of a 2930 a bill that would empower the Civil Rights Department within the state of California to demand businesses and state agencies respond to requests for impact assessments of A.I. models in order to attempt to prevent automated discrimination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Senator Scott Wiener, who is author of a bill, puts stricter rules on the developers of foundation models or advanced A.I. models. And Assembly member Buffy Wicks offer AB 3211, which would require large online platforms to place watermarks on air generated content so people don’t get their belated or fall victim to misinformation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gerard de Graaf: \u003c/strong>Well, I visit Sacramento probably about once a week, at least 2 or 3 times a month. I mean, it’s not been as hot this year as it is today. So.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Gerard de Graaf, the director of the San Francisco office and the EU tech envoy to the United States met with all of these lawmakers in April and continues to be in conversation with them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gerard de Graaf: \u003c/strong>There’s a fruitful, constructive discussion going on between the EU and the state of California. I mean, you have the California effect in in the US, we have the Brussels effect globally. 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I think there’s been some studies that would show that, you know, the fear surrounding that might be a bit ahead of, you know, what people are concerned about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>But, you know, I think the it prompts fears of job loss that I worry most about people who are entry level or somebody that might apply for an internship and the sort of tutelage that they might have received a decade ago, you know, a generation ago might just disappear in a space where somebody says, we’ll catch up to you can do it for me instead. I worry about that a lot.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>And there definitely are forms of this technology that are capable of doing things that might improve people’s lives. And there definitely are the instances where there might be bias within the model based on the data that it was, you know, that was used to train it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>But also sometimes it’s just snake oil, sometimes it’s just pseudoscience wrapped up in, you know, marketing and technology. And you can’t tell the difference because, you know, maybe you don’t have the immediate know how to tell that and then look under the hood and say, hey, wait a minute, there’s no there there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I wonder, too, how leaders are reacting to the rapid growth of A.I..\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>I think there are some leaders who want to say artificial intelligence because they want to be associated with the word and see it in a headline and do the simple math of if they’re associated with a topic that a lot of people are talking about, then that might be beneficial to them. I think people should be wary of that. I know that lobbyists from large companies are busy in state houses.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>More than 40 states are considering draft rules to regulate artificial intelligence. And I’m sure there are conversations that are taking place with business groups and industry to inform or influence those bills. But essentially, Congress hasn’t done much. States are attempting to regulate the technology in order to keep people safe. And so that’s what California is certainly doing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>And there’s a handful of bills that are under consideration that will be deliberated within the next few weeks, really to see how the state responds. And in doing so, there’s been some extensive conversations with members of the European Union, which just completed a long process to determine just how to regulate artificial intelligence.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah, let’s get into that. You reported on this story on how the European Union is concerned about regulating AI and how it’s hoping California will adopt similar regulations. I mean, how would you characterize the European Union’s response to regulating AI, maybe even in comparison to the U.S.?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>I think it’s fair to say that the European Union started regulating artificial intelligence well before we did in the United States, and they’ve completed a major comprehensive framework for that work on the European Air Act, started around 2017, 2018, and I believe concluded a couple of weeks ago. It’s a risk based approach to artificial intelligence regulation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>And so it requires governments to define certain uses of the technology as high risk. And those types of models are subject to higher levels of testing. And it’s the first comprehensive framework of its kind. I think it’s important to point out that the European Union looks at things like predictive policing as something that shouldn’t exist in society.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>European Union bans emotion recognition at schools and in the workplace, and social credit scores like the kind that they use in China to reward or punish certain kinds of behavior. And those are exempt.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Other examples of these are the technology that they arrived at, the decision that certain forms of it deserve a ban, not just strict limits. But this should not exist in our society. And we have to deliberate on the same questions as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Coming up, how California and the EU are working together to regulate A.I.. Stay with us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The EU has attempted to get California to pass similar regulations. How has the EU tried to do that? How have they tried to rope California in?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Well, I’d say that the European Union has been active in conversations with legislators, and one of the more recent meetings took place between Senator Tom Hamburg from Orange County, who’s the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Assembly member Rebecca Bauer-Kahan, who is the chair of the Privacy and Consumer Protection Committee and author of a 2930 a bill that would empower the Civil Rights Department within the state of California to demand businesses and state agencies respond to requests for impact assessments of A.I. models in order to attempt to prevent automated discrimination.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Senator Scott Wiener, who is author of a bill, puts stricter rules on the developers of foundation models or advanced A.I. models. And Assembly member Buffy Wicks offer AB 3211, which would require large online platforms to place watermarks on air generated content so people don’t get their belated or fall victim to misinformation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gerard de Graaf: \u003c/strong>Well, I visit Sacramento probably about once a week, at least 2 or 3 times a month. I mean, it’s not been as hot this year as it is today. So.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Gerard de Graaf, the director of the San Francisco office and the EU tech envoy to the United States met with all of these lawmakers in April and continues to be in conversation with them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Gerard de Graaf: \u003c/strong>There’s a fruitful, constructive discussion going on between the EU and the state of California. I mean, you have the California effect in in the US, we have the Brussels effect globally. I mean, if the California effect can meet the Brussels effect, we can set the standard for the world democratic kind of.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>It’s something that, you know, the European Union, in order to help businesses comply with the law, to coordinate and have a uniform approach, can get us closer to a point where a California and EU standard is becomes more of a global standard.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, what should we make of these biggest series of bills in California, Carrie? Like, would you say that these together make for a pretty strong regulations on AI, especially compared to the EU? Or are they are they much weaker?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>You know, in the interview that I had with Sherrod in in April, he mentioned that between the three, those bills would encompass the majority of the principles that you can find within the AI Act. But, you know, I think we got to wait basically until August to answer that question.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>I think there’s going to be a series of amendments potentially within the next couple of weeks and months that will let us know just how strong or weak it is. But, you know, it’s it’s something that I think Senator Umberg mentioned in an interview with KQED that getting it right is a balance between protecting innovation for the series of companies here in California and the Bay Area that are building A.I.. And, you know, California is a center of this industry.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Tom Umberg \u003c/strong>We could get this wrong. And if we get it wrong and we bear on the side of allowing too much risk, the consequences could be catastrophic. And if we ere on the side of being too restrictive, we could strangle the A.I. industry. And in all places like San Francisco, that’s absolutely critical.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What are the stakes, I guess, of getting this right? How how important is it that we figure out the right regulations for AI as soon as possible?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>It really is a matter of being able to protect yourself, protect your family, protect your community. The AI is a technology that can do things that seemed impossible before, you know, but it can also concentrate power. It can enable human rights abuses and it can do all of these things without their knowledge.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>The risk of that happening falls largest on our most vulnerable people in our society. And I think that that’s the big takeaway for people is, you know, the consequences of of people’s, you know, essential liberties and human rights are at stake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Khari, thanks so much for joining us.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Khari Johnson: \u003c/strong>Absolutely. Thanks for having me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>That was Khari Johnson, a tech reporter for Cal Matters. This 40 minute conversation with Khari was cut down and edited by Tamuna Chkareuli. Ellie Prickett-Morgan is our intern, they scored this episode and edited out the tape. Alan Montecillo is our senior editor. Additional production support from me Music courtesy of the audio network.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>The Bay is made by me and Alan Montecillo, Ellie Prickett Morgan. 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"content": "\u003cp class=\"p1\">\u003ca href=\"#episode-transcript\">\u003ci>View the full episode transcript.\u003c/i>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Last week, protesters blocked the entrance of Google’s largest development conference in Mountain View to protest the tech giant’s ties with the Israeli government.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At issue is Project Nimbus, Google and Amazon’s $1.2 billion cloud computing contract with the Israeli government, including the Israeli Defense Ministry. But as KQED’s Rachael Myrow explains, Silicon Valley’s ties to Israel \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11985580/divestment-from-israeli-tech-is-a-tall-order-for-silicon-valley-heres-why\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">run much deeper\u003c/a> — which makes divesting a tall order.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https://playlist.megaphone.fm/?e=KQINC2740176826\" width=\"100%\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 id=\"episode-transcript\">Episode Transcript\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003ci>This is a computer-generated transcript. While our team has reviewed it, there may be errors.\u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I’m Ericka Cruz Guevarra and welcome to the Bay. Local news to keep you rooted. Last week, protesters blocked the entrance of Google’s largest developer conference in Mountain View, demanding the company divest from contracts with the Israeli government as it continues its siege on Gaza.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>At issue is Google and Amazon’s Project Nimbus, the tech giant’s cloud computing contract that services the Israeli Ministry of Defense. Protesters included current and former Google employees under the name No Tech for apartheid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>We are Google workers inside Google who have had enough of this. We do not want this contract to exist, and we do not want our labor to go towards aiding a genocide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, we’ll look into the deep ties between Israel and Silicon Valley and the tech workers hoping to sever them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The ties run broad and deep, and they have since the 1970s. Across a wide range of technologies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Rachael Myrow is senior editor of KQED Silicon Valley desk. How have you seen tech workers in Silicon Valley begin to organize against the tech industries ties to Israel?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Well, it started on internal slack channels inside affinity groups that were in many cases, already issuing complaints to company management of feeling unheard or less seen than their Jewish or Israeli counterparts, or even retaliated against.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>But of course, the organizing took off after Israel invaded Gaza on October 27th. And that’s when you started to see groups like No Tech for apartheid making a bigger noise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I know you spoke to someone who began organizing with no tech for apartheid. Can you introduce me to Hasan Ibraheem? Who is he and how long has he been working in tech?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The first thing you should know about Hasan is that he’s 23 years old. So, by his own admission, not that long out of college, his first job out of college at Google.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>I worked on sort of like ads infrastructure. I do mainly like backend server work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>He’s there about a year and a half before this whole thing began with Israel and Gaza. So Hasan starts to get involved, with no tech for apartheid as the situation in Gaza escalates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>We don’t expect that any one of our actions is going to cause these companies to suddenly pull out of the deals that they have with Israel, but we hope that with each action that we do, we inspire more tech workers to speak out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And what kinds of actions was he organizing exactly or helping to organize?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Well, we know about him because he was involved in one of the sit ins that no tech for apartheid, staged recently in three different cities Sunnyvale, Seattle and New York. So he was involved in the New York sit in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Calling for an end to Project Nimbus, which is this $1.2 billion cloud services contract with the Israeli government, including the Ministry of Defense. So, the Israeli Finance Ministry described Project Nimbus as intended to provide the government, the defense establishment and others with an all encompassing cloud solution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>There’s some highly disturbing reporting about the way that the Israeli Ministry of Defense is using artificial intelligence software to choose bombing targets in Gaza, which I should say has not been directly tied to Google or Amazon software per se, or Project Nimbus per se. But for the people in no tech for a part time, the smell of smoke suggests there could be fire somewhere in there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>So the original contract was made in 2021. It was between Google, Amazon and Israel, and at the time no one could see the actual contract, but no one had the contract in hand to be like, yes, this contract is between the Israeli military and Google and Amazon until time magazine actually had a hold of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>No tech for apartheid is insisting that Amazon and Google here again, quote, stop doing business with Israeli apartheid and powering the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and following in the footsteps of those who fought to divest from apartheid South Africa.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>And one. It’s our responsibility to rise up in support of Palestinian freedom. The Amazon and Google execs who signed this contract can still choose to be on the right side of history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>Google workers inside Google who have had enough of this. We do not want this contract to exist, and we do not want our labor to go towards aiding a genocide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Rachel, you reported on this story about why some of these demands by tech workers, these demands to divest from military contracts like this with Israel, why? That is such a tall order. Why is it a tall order?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>To be frank about it. Money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>And that’s because of what’s going on in Israel, not despite of what’s going on in Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>So Guy Horowitz is Israeli. He’s been living in Palo Alto for the past six years, but he’s been a venture capitalist for the last 20.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>The essence of Silicon Valley, combining talent with technology and money. I think that’s the very basis of the Israeli Startup nation ethos.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The two economies are joined at the hip by just about any business metric you can think of. How many Silicon Valley giants have purchased Israeli startups, how many Israeli startups have offices or even headquarters here? How many Israelis work here in the Bay area? How many Israelis are employed by Silicon Valley companies in Israel?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>So Israel wouldn’t be startup nation without Silicon Valley. But at the same token, it’s hard. To imagine Silicon Valley without Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What are some examples, Rachel, of the investments. Silicon Valley has in Israel right now?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>So you have a ways, the satellite navigation software company that Google bought that for $1.3 billion in 2013. Nvidia, based in Santa Clara, California, bought Mellanox for about $7 billion roughly in 2019. And they recently announced plans to buy two more Israeli companies focused on AI. Intel, which is Israel’s largest private employer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>I mean, just sit with that fact for a moment. Largest private employer in Israel. That’s Intel, which is based over here. So, they bought, Mobileye, the autonomous driving company, for $15 billion in 2017. They’ve they’ve got, plans for a major semiconductor manufacturing facility in Israel, according to the United States Israel Business Alliance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>California now serves as the global or U.S. headquarters for 35 Israeli founded unicorns. That’s Silicon Valley parlance for privately held companies valued at $1 billion or more. And those are just the big startups. There are hundreds of smaller startups as well.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, how long has this relationship been going on?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Some economists say things really heated up in the 1990s. But most agree this really dates back to the 1970s, when U.S. companies, in particular, began to notice Israel’s tech and science universities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>It became evident that Israel was developing for its own needs, technologies that were relevant for Silicon Valley and that came from military sources as well as from the research institutions that were kind of working, in tandem with them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Technion, Tel Aviv University, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. And they started to notice some intriguing developments in things like agtech and biotech.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The Intel 8088, the chip which Intel credits with launching it into the fortune 500. The list is long. And, you know, he acknowledges or even both says, as many Israeli investors do, that it’s all deeply tied with, Israel’s military culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>The deeper Israelis engage in conflict, then unfortunately, Israel has been in conflict for the past 76 years even more. The more value would be driven for. Israel on the economic side and for Silicon Valley as a counterpart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, that said, this actually isn’t the first time that tech and Google employees have lobbied against military related contracts, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>I’m glad that you brought that up because that is the case. They’ve been successful in the past, right? Google employees have successfully lobbied to cancel military related contracts like Project Maven with the Pentagon and Project Dragonfly, which was a proposed version of Google search that would have allowed the Chinese government to censor and monitor users within China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>So those are those are two examples where employees internally pressured the leadership to take a different direction. But but I think I should add something from my reporting, Ericka, which is that when it comes to company contracts, labor law, U.S. labor law firmly comes down on the side of the company.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The leadership has the legal right to decide the direction a company takes, with or without the approval of individual employees. So labor attorneys I talked to said, you know, if you don’t like it, you can attempt to pressure the company or leave.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Yeah. I think you’re you’re kind of heading towards where I want to go next, Rachel, which is to the Google employees behind no tech for a part. I mean, you know, we have seen universities recently hired to the demands by student protesters to divest from Israel. But I guess, is it realistic to think that tech would do that\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>After the reporting for this story? I would argue it’s unlikely.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>So in a nutshell, I think it’s going to be a nonproductive effort, maybe even counterproductive effort.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Guy and other people like him that I’ve talked to, they don’t seem to be worried about divestment, at least from tech in the slightest. Ericka. And I don’t mean to suggest that these guys are the kind of people who don’t worry. They definitely worry about a lot of things, but not divestment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>So whoever is saying divestment is a way to make Israel, reconsider its political or geopolitical stance on Palestine or whatever. But hey, the deeper the conflict is and the longer it goes would actually make Israel a more lucrative place to do business with for the next 20, 30 years.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>At the end of the day, Rachel, we are talking about private companies for whom profit is king. How does Hasan respond to this? Why protest anyway?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>I think for Hasan, this is this is a moral issue. He sees a direct line from what’s happening right now in Gaza to write the corporate balance sheets of of Silicon Valley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>I would not be disappointed to stop working for a company that has an active, contract with the Israeli military.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>I think he feels powerfully, you know, not not in a egocentric or a naive way, that he’s in a very special position as somebody who works in tech. To call out what’s upsetting him.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>We will continue to make noise about this. We will continue to make our voices heard. We will continue to educate our colleagues about what’s going on. And we’ll. Yeah, we’ll continue standing up for Palestine.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>What happened to Hasan and others who took part in those actions against Google that we were just talking about?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>You know, in Hasan’s case, he says he and the fellow protesters in New York were about seven hours into their sit in when they were informed they’d been put on administrative leave, and then their badge access was taken away. Their corporate device is taken away.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>9:30 p.m. almost ten hours in, the police arrived. So then the very calmly arrested us and escorted out of the building.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>About 24 hours later, he gets an email telling him he was terminated immediately.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>And then the following Monday was when the rest of the 50 people were also fired.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>So what’s next for him, Rachel? I mean, has this experience changed the way that he feels about being in the tech industry?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Well, you know, he’s, he’s been spending a little time, regrouping with family. But he’s he’s back in it, back in, you know, the protests. He’s participating. He’s energized for the fight ahead.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>I’m going to continue on doing that. 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Protesters included current and former Google employees under the name No Tech for apartheid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>We are Google workers inside Google who have had enough of this. We do not want this contract to exist, and we do not want our labor to go towards aiding a genocide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Today, we’ll look into the deep ties between Israel and Silicon Valley and the tech workers hoping to sever them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The ties run broad and deep, and they have since the 1970s. Across a wide range of technologies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Rachael Myrow is senior editor of KQED Silicon Valley desk. How have you seen tech workers in Silicon Valley begin to organize against the tech industries ties to Israel?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Well, it started on internal slack channels inside affinity groups that were in many cases, already issuing complaints to company management of feeling unheard or less seen than their Jewish or Israeli counterparts, or even retaliated against.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>But of course, the organizing took off after Israel invaded Gaza on October 27th. And that’s when you started to see groups like No Tech for apartheid making a bigger noise.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And I know you spoke to someone who began organizing with no tech for apartheid. Can you introduce me to Hasan Ibraheem? Who is he and how long has he been working in tech?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The first thing you should know about Hasan is that he’s 23 years old. So, by his own admission, not that long out of college, his first job out of college at Google.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>I worked on sort of like ads infrastructure. I do mainly like backend server work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>He’s there about a year and a half before this whole thing began with Israel and Gaza. So Hasan starts to get involved, with no tech for apartheid as the situation in Gaza escalates.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>We don’t expect that any one of our actions is going to cause these companies to suddenly pull out of the deals that they have with Israel, but we hope that with each action that we do, we inspire more tech workers to speak out.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>And what kinds of actions was he organizing exactly or helping to organize?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Well, we know about him because he was involved in one of the sit ins that no tech for apartheid, staged recently in three different cities Sunnyvale, Seattle and New York. So he was involved in the New York sit in.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>Calling for an end to Project Nimbus, which is this $1.2 billion cloud services contract with the Israeli government, including the Ministry of Defense. So, the Israeli Finance Ministry described Project Nimbus as intended to provide the government, the defense establishment and others with an all encompassing cloud solution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>There’s some highly disturbing reporting about the way that the Israeli Ministry of Defense is using artificial intelligence software to choose bombing targets in Gaza, which I should say has not been directly tied to Google or Amazon software per se, or Project Nimbus per se. But for the people in no tech for a part time, the smell of smoke suggests there could be fire somewhere in there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>So the original contract was made in 2021. It was between Google, Amazon and Israel, and at the time no one could see the actual contract, but no one had the contract in hand to be like, yes, this contract is between the Israeli military and Google and Amazon until time magazine actually had a hold of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>No tech for apartheid is insisting that Amazon and Google here again, quote, stop doing business with Israeli apartheid and powering the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and following in the footsteps of those who fought to divest from apartheid South Africa.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>And one. It’s our responsibility to rise up in support of Palestinian freedom. The Amazon and Google execs who signed this contract can still choose to be on the right side of history.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Hasan Ibraheem: \u003c/strong>Google workers inside Google who have had enough of this. We do not want this contract to exist, and we do not want our labor to go towards aiding a genocide.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>Well, Rachel, you reported on this story about why some of these demands by tech workers, these demands to divest from military contracts like this with Israel, why? That is such a tall order. Why is it a tall order?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>To be frank about it. Money.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>And that’s because of what’s going on in Israel, not despite of what’s going on in Israel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>So Guy Horowitz is Israeli. He’s been living in Palo Alto for the past six years, but he’s been a venture capitalist for the last 20.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>The essence of Silicon Valley, combining talent with technology and money. 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Nvidia, based in Santa Clara, California, bought Mellanox for about $7 billion roughly in 2019. And they recently announced plans to buy two more Israeli companies focused on AI. Intel, which is Israel’s largest private employer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>I mean, just sit with that fact for a moment. Largest private employer in Israel. That’s Intel, which is based over here. So, they bought, Mobileye, the autonomous driving company, for $15 billion in 2017. They’ve they’ve got, plans for a major semiconductor manufacturing facility in Israel, according to the United States Israel Business Alliance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>California now serves as the global or U.S. headquarters for 35 Israeli founded unicorns. That’s Silicon Valley parlance for privately held companies valued at $1 billion or more. And those are just the big startups. 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And they started to notice some intriguing developments in things like agtech and biotech.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>The Intel 8088, the chip which Intel credits with launching it into the fortune 500. The list is long. And, you know, he acknowledges or even both says, as many Israeli investors do, that it’s all deeply tied with, Israel’s military culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Guy Horowitz: \u003c/strong>The deeper Israelis engage in conflict, then unfortunately, Israel has been in conflict for the past 76 years even more. The more value would be driven for. Israel on the economic side and for Silicon Valley as a counterpart.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Ericka Cruz Guevarra: \u003c/strong>I mean, that said, this actually isn’t the first time that tech and Google employees have lobbied against military related contracts, right?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>I’m glad that you brought that up because that is the case. They’ve been successful in the past, right? Google employees have successfully lobbied to cancel military related contracts like Project Maven with the Pentagon and Project Dragonfly, which was a proposed version of Google search that would have allowed the Chinese government to censor and monitor users within China.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Rachael Myrow: \u003c/strong>So those are those are two examples where employees internally pressured the leadership to take a different direction. 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Zeiger worked at Google from 2006 to 2012 on projects that aimed to use the company’s technology to improve public health, a goal he said he still supports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“But what’s happening today is exactly the opposite of that. Google’s technologies, along with Amazon’s, as part of Project Nimbus, are being used to actively harm people in Palestine, and I don’t think that’s okay,” Zeiger said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The demonstrations are the latest in a string of actions demanding Google and other tech companies \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11985580/divestment-from-israeli-tech-is-a-tall-order-for-silicon-valley-heres-why\">end ties with Israel altogether\u003c/a>. In April, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145680/google-workers-fired-project-nimbus-protest-nlrb-complaint\">the company fired about 50 employees\u003c/a> who were said to be involved in sit-ins that violated its internal policies and disrupted operations at offices in New York and Sunnyvale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Zeiger said he also felt motivated to demonstrate in recognition of Google employees fired after taking part in those protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11986144\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11986144\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03.jpg\" alt='Several people hold up a blue banner with a Google icon over an eye that reads \"No Tech for Apartheid.\" ' width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People hold up a banner that reads “No Tech for Apartheid” during a protest outside Google’s Gradient Canopy building in Mountain View on May 14, 2024. \u003ccite>(Joseph Geha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We have a responsibility for each other and all the things that we’re inventing together to make sure that we are using them for good,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Google and Amazon did not immediately respond to a request for comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ariel Koren, a former Google employee who worked in marketing, and who participated in Tuesday’s protest, said she was ousted after speaking out against Project Nimbus in 2022. 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"content": "\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Roni Zeiger of Mountain View is a doctor and tech worker who came out to protest against his former employer. Zeiger worked at Google from 2006 to 2012 on projects that aimed to use the company’s technology to improve public health, a goal he said he still supports.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“But what’s happening today is exactly the opposite of that. Google’s technologies, along with Amazon’s, as part of Project Nimbus, are being used to actively harm people in Palestine, and I don’t think that’s okay,” Zeiger said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The demonstrations are the latest in a string of actions demanding Google and other tech companies \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11985580/divestment-from-israeli-tech-is-a-tall-order-for-silicon-valley-heres-why\">end ties with Israel altogether\u003c/a>. In April, \u003ca href=\"https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/30/24145680/google-workers-fired-project-nimbus-protest-nlrb-complaint\">the company fired about 50 employees\u003c/a> who were said to be involved in sit-ins that violated its internal policies and disrupted operations at offices in New York and Sunnyvale.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Zeiger said he also felt motivated to demonstrate in recognition of Google employees fired after taking part in those protests.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_11986144\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 2000px\">\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03.jpg\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11986144\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03.jpg\" alt='Several people hold up a blue banner with a Google icon over an eye that reads \"No Tech for Apartheid.\" ' width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03.jpg 2000w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-800x533.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-160x107.jpg 160w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/05/240514-Google-Protest-JG-03-1920x1280.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">People hold up a banner that reads “No Tech for Apartheid” during a protest outside Google’s Gradient Canopy building in Mountain View on May 14, 2024. \u003ccite>(Joseph Geha/KQED)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>“We have a responsibility for each other and all the things that we’re inventing together to make sure that we are using them for good,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Google and Amazon did not immediately respond to a request for comment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Ariel Koren, a former Google employee who worked in marketing, and who participated in Tuesday’s protest, said she was ousted after speaking out against Project Nimbus in 2022. She said the company told her the role she was being moved to Brazil and gave her less than a month to go or be terminated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“When I was ousted from the company, they were trying to be subtle about it,” Koren said. “Now they are so desperate that they are not even trying to be sneaky. And the reason they’re doing that is because they are realizing that the chilling effect that they’re trying to create across the industry and across their workforce is not working.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Wassim Hage, a spokesperson for the Arab Resource Organizing Center, said actions like Tuesday’s demonstrations fit into the larger context of organized labor, working people, and students around the country pushing back against militarization and what he called Israeli apartheid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“The mass popular support from people of all walks of life for all these folks taking action at their institutions, at their places of work, I think it has tremendous possibility to make big impacts over the course of years,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>",
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"content": "\u003cp>The first time Zelda Montes heard about Google’s Project Nimbus was about six months ago, even though she had worked at the company since 2022. The project is a $1.2 billion contract to supply Israel with cloud computing services.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As someone who’s opposed to the war in Gaza, Montes says she was shocked. This comes at a time when tension over the Israeli conflict is simmering across the country.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“I think that speaks volumes to just how little people at work actually know about this contract,” Montes says, who worked as a software engineer at YouTube, which Google owns.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Montes immediately joined a Google employee group called No Tech for Apartheid, which had been organizing around Project Nimbus since 2021. Their goal is for Google to drop its contract with the Israeli government. She says the group has raised its concerns with Google’s leadership, spoke in company town halls and set up tables in Google’s offices with fliers about Project Nimbus.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But, she says, “Google was quite literally silencing our voices in the workplace and not allowing for any kind of worker dissent to be expressed around the project.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, on Tuesday, the group went one step further.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They staged \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/NoTechApartheid/status/1780278895058518468\">sit-in protests\u003c/a> in Google’s offices in Silicon Valley, New York City and Seattle — more than 100 protesters showed up. A day later, Google fired Montes and 27 other employees who were part of the No Tech for Apartheid group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is one of the largest mass firings in the tech industry, and it comes as many Silicon Valley companies work with Israel. Some employees say they aren’t comfortable with that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Workers at Amazon and Facebook parent Meta have also \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/22/google-amazon-meta-gaza-israel-contracts/\">clashed with their employers\u003c/a> over \u003ca href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meta-employee-calls-toxic-rules-160852658.html\">speaking out against the war\u003c/a>. Last month, Google \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/08/google-fires-employee-who-protested-israel-tech-event-shuts-forum.html\">fired another software engineer\u003c/a> who protested at an Israeli tech event.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A Google spokesperson told NPR in an email when asked about Tuesday’s protesters, “physically impeding other employees’ work and preventing them from accessing our facilities is a clear violation of our policies and completely unacceptable behavior. After refusing multiple requests to leave the premises, law enforcement was engaged to remove them to ensure office safety.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Project Nimbus and cloud computing\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Google, in partnership with Amazon, \u003ca href=\"https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/inside-google-cloud/google-cloud-selected-to-provide-cloud-services-to-the-state-of-israel\">started contracting\u003c/a> with the Israeli government on Project Nimbus in 2021. Last week, \u003cem>Time\u003c/em> magazine \u003ca href=\"https://time.com/6966102/google-contract-israel-defense-ministry-gaza-war/\">obtained an internal company document\u003c/a> that showed Israel’s Ministry of Defense contracted with Google as recently as last month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Google spokesperson says its cloud services support several governments around the world, including Israel. Project Nimbus is for government ministries, the spokesperson says, and “this work is not directed at highly sensitive, classified, or military workloads relevant to weapons or intelligence services.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The No Tech for Apartheid group says that without clarity on the project, it’s still unclear how the technology is being used in Israel. They say they fear it could be used in the war in Gaza and be weaponized against Palestinian civilians.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Workers have the right to know how their labor is being used and to have a say in ensuring the technology they build is not used for harm,” the group says in a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 class=\"edTag\">Worker arrests and firings\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Around noon on the day of the sit-in, Montes says she and other protesters at Google’s New York office unfurled a 15-foot banner down an open staircase that read: “No tech for genocide.” (Israel rejects claims of genocide, saying it’s fighting in self-defense.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>They sat around and played the card game Uno until Google security approached them. Montes says they were then told to leave or else they’d be arrested, but it wasn’t until about eight hours later that the police arrived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>More than 100 protesters showed up. A day later, Google fired Montes and 27 other employees who were part of the No Tech for Apartheid group.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is one of the largest mass firings in the tech industry, and it comes as many Silicon Valley companies work with Israel. Some employees say they aren’t comfortable with that.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Workers at Amazon and Facebook parent Meta have also \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/22/google-amazon-meta-gaza-israel-contracts/\">clashed with their employers\u003c/a> over \u003ca href=\"https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meta-employee-calls-toxic-rules-160852658.html\">speaking out against the war\u003c/a>. Last month, Google \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/08/google-fires-employee-who-protested-israel-tech-event-shuts-forum.html\">fired another software engineer\u003c/a> who had protested at an Israeli tech event.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“It was a lot of weird energy because we kept thinking like, ‘Are they going to call the cops already?'” Montes says, recounting the day.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the time the police showed up, it was nighttime, and most everyone was gone from the office. They handcuffed four protesters who refused to leave the building, including Montes, walked them to a freight elevator and down into the garage, where a police van was waiting. The group spent about three and a half hours in jail.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside label=\"Related Stories\" postID=\"news_11971467,news_11969898,news_11983333\"]In all, nine protesters were arrested in California and New York. It wasn’t until the following evening that Google began to fire workers. Montes says she was placed on administrative leave at first but then got an email saying she was terminated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The email says she had “violated Google’s code of conduct” and “policy on harassment, discrimination and retaliation” during the events on Tuesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Several of the Google employees who were fired didn’t participate in the protests this week, according to No Tech for Apartheid. Google’s spokesperson says the company has been investigating employees individually.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have so far concluded individual investigations that resulted in the termination of employment for 28 employees and will continue to investigate and take action as needed,” the spokesperson says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Montes says the firings are a fear tactic that won’t work. “Workers are agitated, and we’re organized,” she says, and even though she’s been fired, “we’ll keep organizing until this project is dropped.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n",
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In a blog post announcing the move, Google’s VP of Global News Partnerships, Jaffer Zaidi, stated that Google was taking this action “to prepare” for the “possible implications” of a bill making its way through the California state legislature. The bill, called the California Journalism Preservation Act (CJPA), would call upon \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/google-meta-big-tech-journalism-fee-california-lawmakers-ec3a926252f59e589e5d48b067c7904e\">tech companies to pay media outlets for posting and using their content\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In response, the News/Media Alliance — a journalism advocacy organization — has called upon the Federal Trade Commission and the Department of Justice to \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2024-04-16/news-media-alliance-google-ftc-investigation\">“investigate whether Google is violating federal law\u003c/a> in blocking or impeding their ability to find news that they rely upon for their business, their prosperity, their pleasure, their democracy and, sometimes, their lives.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>On Thursday, \u003ca href=\"https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64dff94f756e010aef6c3999/t/66215bd53cc9b82db2c4f98e/1713462229252/Publisher+letter+AB+886+4.18.24.pdf\">nearly 350 local California publishers signed a letter\u003c/a> to show their support for \u003ca href=\"https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64dff94f756e010aef6c3999/t/66215bd53cc9b82db2c4f98e/1713462229252/Publisher+letter+AB+886+4.18.24.pdf\">the California Journalism Preservation Act\u003c/a>. The publishers include a variety of outlets — from large newspapers like the LA Times to ethnic media newsrooms including El Sol — who said they “stand united in our efforts to preserve journalism in California.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Around 40 percent of Google Search results contain news articles,” the letter read. “Even when readers do click through and can see the ads on our sites, Google takes another 70% of each advertising dollar, as it controls digital advertising technology, the topic of an anti-trust suit that California has joined.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/sbaxter_sc/status/1778916761829789780\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So, how could this change from Google affect how \u003ci>you \u003c/i>find California news?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you’ve noticed some gaps in your recent Google searches or are worried, you might read below to learn more about what this means for you and your local journalism ecosystem.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>How many people in California will be affected by Google removing news links?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In \u003ca href=\"https://blog.google/products/news/california-journalism-preservation-act-puts-news-ecosystem-at-risk/\">the April 12 statement\u003c/a>, Google’s Zaidi wrote that the blockage would be a “short-term” test for “a small percentage of California users.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[aside postID=\"news_11981551,news_11979306,news_11960799\" label=\"Related Stories\"]So theoretically, if you are part of the “small percentage of California users,” when you search for a news topic in California, you will \u003ci>not\u003c/i> see articles from local publications within the state like KQED, the \u003ci>San Francisco Chronicle \u003c/i>or the \u003ci>LA Times. \u003c/i>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But it’s \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/12/google-search-blocking-california-news\">unclear how many people\u003c/a> are actually affected by this change — or \u003ca href=\"https://blog.google/products/news/california-journalism-preservation-act-puts-news-ecosystem-at-risk/\">how long the “test” will continue\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It’s also unclear if users can turn this test off in their settings. A Google spokesperson declined KQED’s request to provide any further information about the test — or who is affected — outside of \u003ca href=\"https://blog.google/products/news/california-journalism-preservation-act-puts-news-ecosystem-at-risk/\">the April 12 blog post\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Why is this happening now?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“We’re mostly viewing this as a political attack as much as it is a technical test,” said Steve Waldman, the CEO of the nonprofit \u003ca href=\"https://www.rebuildlocalnews.org/\">Rebuild Local News\u003c/a>. “This is Google sending a message that if the legislature passes the bill that they don’t like, the newsrooms and residents of California will be punished for that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waldman referenced \u003ca href=\"https://policydialogue.org/files/publications/papers/LatestVersion.pdf\">similar legislation passed in Australia and Canada\u003c/a>, which large tech companies also pushed back against.“I think, for Google, they’re looking at all these efforts to push them into providing money to publishers, and they’re thinking this is spreading around the world, and it’s creating an enormous potential liability for them,” Waldman said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re very focused on California because they’re worried that whatever comes out of California could set the template for the rest of the United States and also for other countries,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In June 2023, Instagram and Facebook’s parent company, Meta, began blocking news content from appearing in Canadian users’ feeds since \u003ca href=\"https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-13/could-meta-block-news-in-australia-after-canada-ban/103576038\">Canada required the company to pay local news publications for linking to or featuring their work\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused the company of “putting corporate profits ahead of people’s safety” for its decision to keep blocking news content in the country even \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/canada-wildfires-facebook-news-blocking-734a5bc05796e38a011c6c9a473efea8\">as devastating wildfires raged\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is what Canadian Instagram users see when trying to access news:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2.png\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11983350\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2.png\" alt=\"A screenshot of an Instagram profile that was blocked with a message that reads "People in Canada can't see this content" with a message logo with a strike through it.\" width=\"720\" height=\"651\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2.png 720w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2-160x145.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meta has also \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/andymstone/status/1663951770052067338\">threatened\u003c/a> to do this again in California if the California Journalism Preservation Act were to pass. In May 2023, a Meta spokesperson stated that the company would “be forced to remove news from Facebook and Instagram rather than pay into a slush fund that primarily benefits big, out-of-state media companies under the guise of aiding California publishers.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In late March, Instagram\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11980748/how-to-opt-out-of-metas-political-content-limit-on-instagram-and-threads\"> rolled out a new default setting\u003c/a> that limited posts “likely to mention governments, elections or social topics that affect a group of people and/or society at large” appearing in user’s feeds. For many, this setting was automatically set and came with little or no warning.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>So, how can I make sure \u003cem>I\u003c/em> continue to see local news online?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>Regardless of whether Google’s test targets an individual in California to remove news links, Waldman said that in a landscape where news is being throttled on search or social media, audiences may need to start actively looking for it instead — since news “may not just arrive in your lap or on your screen quite the same way.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“You may have to be a little more proactive in both getting it and also supporting the local media,” Waldman said. “Advertising business for local publications has kind of plummeted, and local news is not really going to survive without the support from the community.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If you noticed something different with your Google searches or otherwise suspect you might be part of Google’s test to limit news content in California for some users, there are other ways to find local coverage:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">Visiting a news outlet’s website directly\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">Following your preferred news outlet on social media\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">Signing up for push notifications and breaking news alerts from your preferred news outlet\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">If your news outlet has an app, downloading and viewing articles on that platform\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">If your outlet has a podcast, listen to their feed on your preferred platforms like Apple Podcasts or Stitcher\u003c/li>\n\u003cli style=\"font-weight: 400\">If your outlet is a television or radio station, tune into that station.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp>Waldman said that “going into an election year that’s going to be full of misinformation,” he found it “incredibly disheartening that at the moment when we should be providing more information and more news that’s reliable … Google is temporarily choking back the availability of reliable local news.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What’s the backstory of the bill Google is resisting?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>The bill Google is responding to is AB 886 — \u003ca href=\"https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB886\">the California Journalism Preservation Act\u003c/a> — which, if passed, would require platforms to send “a journalism usage fee payment to each eligible digital journalism provider.” This means that Google, Facebook and other tech companies would need to pay a bargained percentage of the tech company’s ad revenue to news outlets for using media outlets’ work.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In return, the newsroom must use 70% of these funds to hire new reporters or support existing staff. The bill would also prohibit tech companies from retaliating against local outlets by placing their stories lower on a search result page.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>AB 886 \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/12/google-search-blocking-california-news\">passed the California assembly in 2023\u003c/a>. It would need to pass the California Senate before being signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>Related: \u003c/b>\u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/news/11967439/how-can-i-call-my-representative-a-step-by-step-guide-to-the-process\">How Can I Call My Representative? A Step-by-Step Guide to the Process\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The bill — introduced by Buffy Wicks (CA-14) — noted that over the past 10 years, newspaper advertising has decreased by 66% and staff by 44%. Critics say that \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/909086008/study-how-the-power-of-facebook-and-google-affects-local-communities\">Facebook and Google have played a large role in this\u003c/a> breakdown by monopolizing the digital advertising market, leaving little revenue for local news outlets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Northwestern University’s \u003ca href=\"https://localnewsinitiative.northwestern.edu/projects/state-of-local-news/2023/report/\">“The State of Local News”\u003c/a> report hypothesized that by the end of 2024, “the country will have lost a third of its newspapers since 2005.” Over 500 journalists — \u003ca href=\"https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/01/journalism-layoffs-00138517\">national and local publications\u003c/a> — lost their jobs in 2024 so far, barely over four months. In California, \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2024-01-23/latimes-layoffs-115-newsroom-soon-shiong\">the \u003ci>LA Times \u003c/i>laid off over a hundred people in January\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“In California, there’s been a 68% drop in the number of reporters since 2005,” Waldman said. “It’s a catastrophe, and it’s totally appropriate to ask the tech companies to help pay for fixing that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the journalism and First Amendment world, \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/commentary/2024/01/journalism-preservation-california-media-leverage/\">advocates of the bill\u003c/a> say it finally allows news outlets leverage over Big Tech, which they argue has gone seemingly\u003ca href=\"https://www.rollingstone.com/culture-council/articles/its-time-for-big-tech-to-stand-up-journalism-1234860906/\"> unchecked for years\u003c/a>. \u003ca href=\"https://calmatters.org/commentary/2024/01/preserving-california-journalism-bill-clickbait/\">Opponents\u003c/a> say the measure would incentivize clickbait and favor larger newsrooms.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waldman said that given the bill’s current language —which is still open to potential revision — he agrees that larger out-of-state newsrooms would benefit more from the legislation than mid- to small-sized newsrooms in California.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“We have to come up with some public policies that are really helping the medium and small-sized papers and family newspapers, websites, nonprofits, Black and Hispanic newspapers, public radio,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>What does Google say?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>In Google’s April 12 blog post announcing the test to limit news links, the company highlights the \u003ca href=\"https://news.google.com/news-showcase/\">Google News Showcase\u003c/a>, a feed of news articles curated for users. The Google News Showcase partners with 200 new organizations in California alone, according to Google.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But Google would now be “pausing further investments in the California news ecosystem” — including establishing new Google News Showcase partnerships, any planned expansions of Google News and the company’s product and licensing program for news organizations — “until there’s clarity on California’s regulatory environment,” Google VP Zaidi said in the blog post.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Zaidi also claimed that “just 2% of queries on Google Search are news-related,” which he framed as part of a general shift in “the rapidly changing way people are looking for and consuming information.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>However, \u003ca href=\"https://www.techpolicy.press/the-value-of-news-content-to-google-is-way-more-than-you-think/\">a 2023 research study commissioned by Swiss media publishers\u003c/a> found that “information searches” account for \u003ca href=\"https://www.techpolicy.press/the-value-of-news-content-to-google-is-way-more-than-you-think/\">55% of all internet searches\u003c/a>, which would potentially draw from journalistic content. The research also found that the market share of Google searches that use media content results in an estimated revenue of \u003ca href=\"https://www.techpolicy.press/the-value-of-news-content-to-google-is-way-more-than-you-think/\">$440 million per year\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waldman also noted that with a company as big as Google, “just 2%” can mean a lot. “Google does place snippets of the content on their search engines,” he said. “A lot of people just look at the snippets and never click through.”.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Google is actually getting a lot of value out of the work and money that’s been invested by the news organizations in creating content.”\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Are there other legal proposals that are aiming to support journalism?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>The Journalism Competition & Preservation Act\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/673\">Journalism Competition & Preservation Act,\u003c/a> introduced by Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar in 2023, allows media companies to negotiate prices directly with social media companies about the use of their work. One of the co-sponsors includes the late California Sen. Dianne Feinstein.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If it were enacted, \u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-02-08/chabria-column-tech-firms-news-outlets\">research from the University of Houston\u003c/a> estimates \u003ca href=\"https://policydialogue.org/files/publications/papers/LatestVersion.pdf\">Google would owe California newsrooms $1.4 billion annually\u003c/a>, which outpaces \u003ca href=\"https://newsinitiative.withgoogle.com/about/\">the $300 million Google provides globally\u003c/a> in grants and newsroom investments.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/senamyklobuchar/status/1779195270925787556?s=46&t=7BBzFwo6eYLzJIVfAlumEQ\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cb>California Senate Bill 1327\u003c/b>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>California Sen. Steven Glazer introduced \u003ca href=\"https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB1327/id/2964627\">SB 1327\u003c/a>, which proposes \u003ca href=\"https://www.ojaivalleynews.com/opinion/guest_essays/opinion-in-support-of-a-journalism-tax-credit-sb-1327-glazer/article_be128aa0-fb72-11ee-a2ba-4fea6e148bf0.html\">an employment credit\u003c/a> for California newsrooms. In the bill, local media organizations that employ local, California-based staff can get a subsidy from state taxes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“Whatever policy that they come up with, our main point is that there’s a catastrophe unfolding in California right now,” Waldman said of the various legal proposals to support local journalism in the state. 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A Google spokesperson declined KQED’s request to provide any further information about the test — or who is affected — outside of \u003ca href=\"https://blog.google/products/news/california-journalism-preservation-act-puts-news-ecosystem-at-risk/\">the April 12 blog post\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2>Why is this happening now?\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp>“We’re mostly viewing this as a political attack as much as it is a technical test,” said Steve Waldman, the CEO of the nonprofit \u003ca href=\"https://www.rebuildlocalnews.org/\">Rebuild Local News\u003c/a>. “This is Google sending a message that if the legislature passes the bill that they don’t like, the newsrooms and residents of California will be punished for that.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Waldman referenced \u003ca href=\"https://policydialogue.org/files/publications/papers/LatestVersion.pdf\">similar legislation passed in Australia and Canada\u003c/a>, which large tech companies also pushed back against.“I think, for Google, they’re looking at all these efforts to push them into providing money to publishers, and they’re thinking this is spreading around the world, and it’s creating an enormous potential liability for them,” Waldman said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>“They’re very focused on California because they’re worried that whatever comes out of California could set the template for the rest of the United States and also for other countries,” he said.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In June 2023, Instagram and Facebook’s parent company, Meta, began blocking news content from appearing in Canadian users’ feeds since \u003ca href=\"https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-13/could-meta-block-news-in-australia-after-canada-ban/103576038\">Canada required the company to pay local news publications for linking to or featuring their work\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused the company of “putting corporate profits ahead of people’s safety” for its decision to keep blocking news content in the country even \u003ca href=\"https://apnews.com/article/canada-wildfires-facebook-news-blocking-734a5bc05796e38a011c6c9a473efea8\">as devastating wildfires raged\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This is what Canadian Instagram users see when trying to access news:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2.png\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11983350\" src=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2.png\" alt=\"A screenshot of an Instagram profile that was blocked with a message that reads "People in Canada can't see this content" with a message logo with a strike through it.\" width=\"720\" height=\"651\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2.png 720w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2024/04/image-2-160x145.png 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\">\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Meta has also \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/andymstone/status/1663951770052067338\">threatened\u003c/a> to do this again in California if the California Journalism Preservation Act were to pass. 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