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"content": "\u003cp>In a media landscape that can still be pretty awful for Muslims, \u003ca href=\"https://tell-them-i-am.scpr.org/\">\u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, a new podcast from KPCC, aims to give Muslims a space to define their own identities outside of stereotypes and broad generalizations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the course of the series, host and producer Misha Euceph interviewed 22 people, all Muslims, about the defining moments of their lives. While the show dropped episodes every weekday of Ramadan, \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> doesn't really have anything to do with the holiday. \"If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah,\" Euceph says, \"they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's in each guest's hands how much they want to talk about culture or religion; for some it's a central part of their story, for others it's mostly incidental. 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This is a moment, honey!\" ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Porowski:\u003c/strong> There's something so weirdly overwhelming about it. One thing I did that has managed to really dissipate in a big way, and I'm really happy about, is like the whole impostor syndrome. Like: Oh my God, I tricked everyone into thinking I can cook and actually be on TV and present myself and make complete sentences without like mumbling and jumbling my words, like I just did. So that part I sort of got over. But then it's like God forbid I accept the fact of what's going on right now. Like, what would happen then if I actually — my voice quivers thinking about it, it's sort of like letting yourself enjoy it which is a hard thing for me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Kevin Tidmarsh and Andrew Jones produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Nicole Cohen adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2018 NPR. 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And for somebody to sort of have that humility and realize: No, the problem is me. It's the way that I'm looking at the situation. The facts are all the same, it's just the angle at which I'm looking at the situation — specifically, her son being gay. 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