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"content": "\u003cp>Historically, we’ve treated wastewater as something to be treated and dumped – a liability and not a resource. But Sebastien Tilmans may change our minds about that. Tilmans is the director of operations at the \u003ca href=\"http://web.stanford.edu/group/cr2c/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"external noopener\">William and Cloy Codiga Resource Recovery Center\u003c/a> at Stanford University.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The center is working to accelerate the path to commercialization of wastewater technologies. California’s drought has helped to highlight growing interest in wastewater reuse to provide water resources for drinking water and nonpotable uses such as flushing toilets and irrigation. But wastewater has other embedded resources besides water – including energy, nutrients and materials.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some of the technologies already exist to utilize this resource, but many others are still being developed and that’s where the Resource Recovery Center comes in. It creates a space that enables researchers to plug and play with three different grades of wastewater to test different kinds of technologies. So, for example, if you want to test a new reverse osmosis process you would plug into the secondary effluent. If you want to test a new membrane bioreactor you would plug into the primary effluent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Water Deeply recently spoke to Tilmans about how the center is providing a critical intermediate testing ground for technologies, how we can understand the value of wastewater and what the future of water recycling looks like.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Water Deeply: The most obvious resource recovered from wastewater is water; what are some of the other resources?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_637091\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 411px\">\u003cimg loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-637091\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/science/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-800x531.jpg\" alt=\"Sebastien Tilmans, director of operations at the William and Cloy Codiga Resource Recovery Center at Stanford University, wants to see wastewater viewed as a resource. \" width=\"411\" height=\"272\" srcset=\"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-800x531.jpg 800w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-400x266.jpg 400w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-768x510.jpg 768w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-1440x956.jpg 1440w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-1920x1275.jpg 1920w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-1180x784.jpg 1180w, https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/35/2016/04/sebastien-Tilmans-960x638.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 411px) 100vw, 411px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sebastien Tilmans, director of operations at the William and Cloy Codiga Resource Recovery Center at Stanford University, wants to see wastewater viewed as a resource. \u003ccite>(Courtesy Sebastien Tilmans)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Sebastien Tilmans: The traditional mentality has always been that wastewater is a hazardous waste that we need to mitigate. But we view it as an ore. If you were at an iron mine you’re not getting pure iron, you’re getting iron ore and you need to take out the impurities before you have something valuable that you can sell.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And wastewater is the same – it’s got water, it’s got energy, nutrients and material. You can produce high-end materials from it; you just have to take out the impurities.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Specifically you have nitrogen and phosphorus, which are fertilizers. Production of nitrogen fertilizer actually consumes a tremendous amount of energy and produces a lot of greenhouse gas emissions globally. 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It increases the organism’s resistance to different bacterial infections. You can increase yields and reduce the amount of antibiotics that need to be used.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We’re only scratching the surface of the value that can be generated from this raw material.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Water Deeply: Energy is of course another resource?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tilmans: Yes, and energy takes many forms. You get this biogas and then you can use that to produce electricity and heat using a conventional turbine that’s in any gas-fired power plant. But you can also purify it to pipeline-grade natural gas and put it back into PG&E’s pipelines potentially or compress it and use it as a vehicle fuel.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We also have a system for what’s called secondary treatment to remove all the dissolved organics and it yields a water that is very, very high quality. But what’s really cool is that it can achieve that while still being a net energy producer. And cutting in half or less the amount of residual solids that get produced by conventional processes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Water Deeply: How do you do that?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Tilmans: Conventional systems use biological processes; they are typically aerobic biological processes, which means they use oxygen. The process of aerating the water consumes a lot of energy because water is a bad reservoir for oxygen. We use anaerobic processes that do not use oxygen. The bacteria that consume the organic material in the water, instead of consuming it and turning it into carbon dioxide, they turn it into methane and you can harvest that methane gas and turn it into electricity. 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