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So we’ve seen Newsom in the last couple of weeks really ramp up the discussion of this plan, which has now gone from talk to—you know—they’re looking at draft maps, and he’s talking about putting this on the ballot.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think the important thing to think about is that in many states, like Texas, the legislature draws these maps. So whichever party controls the legislature has the power to draw the maps the way they’d like. In California—and a handful of other states across the nation—the voters put that power in the hands of an independent commission. California voters passed a constitutional amendment to do that.\u003c/span>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cspan style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, effectively, for Democrats to gerrymander here as a way to counterbalance what’s happening in Texas, it’s just a lot more procedurally complicated and requires a lot more steps. 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