Comments on: Reporter's Notes: Sudden Oak Death http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/ Science, Environment, and Nature in the SF Bay Area Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:39:48 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Comment on Reporter’s Notes: Sudden Oak Death by Steve http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63448 Comment on Reporter’s Notes: Sudden Oak Death by Steve Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:20:53 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63448 [...] Comment on Reporter’s Notes: Sudden Oak Death by Steve This post was written by SuperFoodie on June 1, 2009 Posted Under: Superfood Talk Comment on Reporter’s Notes: Sudden Oak Death by Steve [...] [...] Comment on Reporter's Notes: Sudden Oak Death by Steve This post was written by SuperFoodie on June 1, 2009 Posted Under: Superfood Talk Comment on Reporter's Notes: Sudden Oak Death by Steve [...]

]]> By: alberi http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63266 alberi Wed, 13 May 2009 20:28:17 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63266 If you are going to get any results from a calcium study it really needs to be "long term". Short term studies with calcium are basically useless. Here is an example of a long term study on sugar maples from a very reputable group of scientists on the east coast. http://nrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/jrnl/2007/nrs_2007_huggett_001.pdf You may be helpful to pass this along to Dr. Garbelotto to read. If you are going to get any results from a calcium study it really needs to be "long term". Short term studies with calcium are basically useless. Here is an example of a long term study on sugar maples from a very reputable group of scientists on the east coast.
http://nrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/jrnl/2007/nrs_2007_huggett_001.pdf
You may be helpful to pass this along to Dr. Garbelotto to read.

]]> By: Lee Klinger http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63265 Lee Klinger Wed, 13 May 2009 17:54:18 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63265 David Gorn, Again, why no balance in reporting this piece? Did you actually read Garbelotto's research article in California Agriculture? If you did you would have been amazed that his claims against my work are based on all of 5 trees that were tested with lime wash and azomite. Oh, and why did the oaks in the uninoculated control group develop lesions? Garbelotto's own published results show there is a serious contamination problem in his lab. This study is a mess. I'll have plenty more to say about it on my blog, Sudden Oak Life. People need to realize that Sudden Oak Death is not the real problem with our oak trees. David Gorn,
Again, why no balance in reporting this piece?

Did you actually read Garbelotto's research article in California Agriculture? If you did you would have been amazed that his claims against my work are based on all of 5 trees that were tested with lime wash and azomite.

Oh, and why did the oaks in the uninoculated control group develop lesions? Garbelotto's own published results show there is a serious contamination problem in his lab.

This study is a mess. I'll have plenty more to say about it on my blog, Sudden Oak Life.

People need to realize that Sudden Oak Death is not the real problem with our oak trees.

]]> By: alberi http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63259 alberi Wed, 13 May 2009 10:48:05 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63259 David, I think the problem is that Dr. Garbelotto is making the same mistake the entomologists made over 10 years ago when they said that the ambrosia beetles were killing the oaks. He now says the fungus alone is killing the oak trees. There is very strong evidence that the trees are being predisposed by other environmental factors like acid rain. However, rather than include other ecological scientists in the investigations, he is instead excluding them. I don't blame him, in today's academic environment the statement "publish or perish" is stronger than ever and scientists in academia are forced to find their own funding to support their theories. In this kind of scenario we may never know the real truth behind what is causing so many trees to die in California and elsewhere for that matter. This is very sad and unfortunate for the trees and their owners. Calcium additions are and have been made worldwide for more than 50 years for ailing forests. The benefits are numerous and cannot be explained in this short paragraph. That is why I posted the videos earlier. I suggest you view them and you will learn more precisely what is happening to our forest trees- acid rain is a silent and invisible killer of trees. David,
I think the problem is that Dr. Garbelotto is making the same mistake the entomologists made over 10 years ago when they said that the ambrosia beetles were killing the oaks. He now says the fungus alone is killing the oak trees. There is very strong evidence that the trees are being predisposed by other environmental factors like acid rain. However, rather than include other ecological scientists in the investigations, he is instead excluding them. I don't blame him, in today's academic environment the statement "publish or perish" is stronger than ever and scientists in academia are forced to find their own funding to support their theories. In this kind of scenario we may never know the real truth behind what is causing so many trees to die in California and elsewhere for that matter. This is very sad and unfortunate for the trees and their owners.
Calcium additions are and have been made worldwide for more than 50 years for ailing forests. The benefits are numerous and cannot be explained in this short paragraph. That is why I posted the videos earlier. I suggest you view them and you will learn more precisely what is happening to our forest trees- acid rain is a silent and invisible killer of trees.

]]> By: David Gorn http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63256 David Gorn Tue, 12 May 2009 23:51:47 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63256 California Agriculture is a peer-reviewed academic journal. The research of Matteo Garbelotto is summarized here: http://calag.ucop.edu/0901JFM/resrchNews01.html I don't think researchers set out to disprove the lime wash and azomite method, as is implied by some blog comments here, but rather to find out if that method was effective. It was disappointing, at least to me and possibly to them, to discover it was not effective. California Agriculture is a peer-reviewed academic journal. The research of Matteo Garbelotto is summarized here:

http://calag.ucop.edu/0901JFM/resrchNews01.html

I don't think researchers set out to disprove the lime wash and azomite method, as is implied by some blog comments here, but rather to find out if that method was effective. It was disappointing, at least to me and possibly to them, to discover it was not effective.

]]> By: Steve http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63255 Steve Tue, 12 May 2009 23:26:00 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63255 to answer Lee Klinger's question, YES! we hired a couple of men who sold the minerals~ to clear, power wash and excavate, before they put sprend the minerals and painted four of our oak trees. All of our trees were not severely diseased and were worth saving. We still felt that the Agri-Fos saved our trees, with much better results. to answer Lee Klinger's question, YES! we hired a couple of men who sold the minerals~
to clear, power wash and excavate, before they put sprend the minerals and painted four of our oak trees. All of our trees were not severely diseased and were worth saving. We still felt that the Agri-Fos saved our trees, with much better results.

]]> By: Lee Klinger http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63249 Lee Klinger Tue, 12 May 2009 16:46:54 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63249 On Steve's comment: Good that you care enough about your oaks to try both approaches. I wonder though, did you just spread minerals or did you follow the whole fire mimicry protocol? Fire mimicry involves a lot more than just applying minerals. There's also clearing, excavating, pruning, power-washing, thatching, composting, mulching, etc. Minerals and fertilizers often need to be reapplied and extra watering is needed for some oaks. Folks should keep in mind that severely diseased trees will reach a point where probably nothing can be done to save them. Best to make the efforts to help the trees before they become too ill. On Steve's comment:
Good that you care enough about your oaks to try both approaches. I wonder though, did you just spread minerals or did you follow the whole fire mimicry protocol?

Fire mimicry involves a lot more than just applying minerals. There's also clearing, excavating, pruning, power-washing, thatching, composting, mulching, etc. Minerals and fertilizers often need to be reapplied and extra watering is needed for some oaks.

Folks should keep in mind that severely diseased trees will reach a point where probably nothing can be done to save them. Best to make the efforts to help the trees before they become too ill.

]]> By: alberi http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63247 alberi Tue, 12 May 2009 15:31:18 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63247 Agrifos and pentrabark should be applied 2x per year as a basal bark spray. Agrifos and pentrabark should be applied 2x per year as a basal bark spray.

]]> By: Steve http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63246 Steve Tue, 12 May 2009 15:23:11 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63246 I have used both treatment and have found great success using Agri-Fos and that the mineral treatment did not work as well on my oak trees. I have used both treatment and have found great success using Agri-Fos and that the mineral treatment did not work as well on my oak trees.

]]> By: KQED report on Sudden Oak Death: Fertilizing with minerals could have a “detrimental effect” on sick oaks « Sudden Oak Life http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2009/05/08/reporters-notes-sudden-oak-death/comment-page-1/#comment-63243 KQED report on Sudden Oak Death: Fertilizing with minerals could have a “detrimental effect” on sick oaks « Sudden Oak Life Tue, 12 May 2009 00:40:50 +0000 http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/?p=2343#comment-63243 [...] effect” on sick oaks 11 05 2009 Reporter David Gorn recently wrote on the KQED blog about Sudden Oak Death, relaying claims by UC Berkeley researcher Matteo Garbelotto that the mineral treatments I use are [...] [...] effect” on sick oaks 11 05 2009 Reporter David Gorn recently wrote on the KQED blog about Sudden Oak Death, relaying claims by UC Berkeley researcher Matteo Garbelotto that the mineral treatments I use are [...]

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